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842861 No.842861 [Reply] [Original]

Why has Hololive have had such a low turnover rate so far as opposed to Nijisanji who have had some talents already graduating despite not being involved in drama (at least on the surface)? Not counting Chris, Aloe, the CN branch and the Stars. What makes them stay? Is it because it's still to early? And when will the first ones retire voluntarily?

>> No.842945

104 vs. 31, do the math

>> No.843267
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>>842861
>Why has Hololive have had such a low turnover rate so far as opposed to Nijisanji who have had some talents already graduating despite not being involved in drama (at least on the surface)?
Anything anyone says is ultimately a rrat. We don't know. The general consensus is that Hololive has better management (yes, I know, low bar) and salaries (how big no one knows, but big enough for the talent to be safe and secure).
The only real indication we have is Moruru leaving Nijisanji to work for Hololive, but under what conditions and whatever something happened behind the scene - no one knows.
Also, it appears that in Hololive the talent has a lot of say - unlike Activ8 / Upd8 or Brave Group - so this might be a reason why the girls would prefer to stay with Yagoo, rather than another company.

>> No.843348

>>843267
>Brave Group
Are these guys even still in business? I can't imagine anyone would want to watch them after the Gamebu shitshow.

>> No.843417

>>843267
>Anything anyone says is ultimately a rrat
wow. got any more incredible wisdom to share, nietzsche?

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>>843348
Yes, some of my favorite chuubas are unfortunately associated with them.

>> No.843466

>>843417
Yeah, your mom's a hoe.

>> No.843506

>>842861
I think if anything when you actually do the math Hololive has lost a lot more members proportionally. I count that Hololive from all the branches has lost 10 in total, and Nijisanji has lost around 18 despite having hired over triple the number of people.

>> No.843595

>>843506
Good point, I guess I had a bit of a perception bias.

>> No.843785

I suspect it has to do with management keeping the girls on a loose leash to do whatever the fuck they want. It clearly has worked for their advantage.

>> No.843929

>>843595
I think it is just a case of more people means more chances for something to come up to cause people to have to move on for some reason, whatever that might be. Think about all the reasons people have where they would leave a normal job. Maybe they found a better opportunity, maybe they want to focus on a family, maybe they have some health problem, maybe they decided the job didn't suit them, maybe they didn't start the job with the intent of making it a career.

I don't really get why it seems like people have this fixed perception somehow that any person leaving necessarily reflects badly on the company when it comes to vtubers. I guess the ones that happen under dramatic circumstances are the ones you hear about the most, and the ones that weren't dramatic people invent some drama to explain them, though so probably to do with that.

>> No.844062

>>842861
They've been okay if you exclude holostars and CN. And you could argue that CN was because they exited China, not because of the tubers themselves.

>> No.844179

>>843348
what happened?

>> No.844350

Economic security + enjoyable work overall, pretty much why Coco is expected to be the first long term Hololive member to graduate is because the second point has fallen significantly ever since the Taiwan fiasco

Nijisanji also is horrible at promoting talents, every few months they throw them a bone only to immediately forget about them after that, and Roa's fiasco revealed that you somehow aren't expected to overlap with someone else's character, which is stupid at 100+ talents in the company

>> No.844385

>>844350
>Nijisanji also is horrible at promoting talents, every few months they throw them a bone only to immediately forget about them after that
Got some examples?

>> No.844521

>>844350
are these kind of posts from nijiantis or just plain retards

>> No.844716

>>844521
I see people bringing up all the time how many similar schoolgirl characters they have so I am not sure how he reached his conclusion without noticing that.

>> No.844818

>>842861
You also have to remember what people are doing with the groups and how they're recruited.
Hololive is recruiting idols and go in with the intention and screening accordingly.
Something like nijisanji is supposed to be more amateur professional with a wide range of activities and schedules, and its not uncommon for them to go in with the intention of this being a side gig or a way to start up streaming.

>> No.844887

>>842945
fpbp
Quantity vs Quality

>> No.844899

>>844179
"Hey let's replace all the VAs behind our biggest group overnight because they started talking about the abysmal working conditions on twitter"

>> No.845040

>>844899
jesas

>> No.845085

it's because of how good hololive is as a..... hahahahahah just kidding its the money and guaranteed simps

>> No.845155

>>843506
HoloCN was a special case, and [redacted] was kicked out right after her debut because the enkou allegations the only 4 members to actually graduate were Aloe, Kira, Kaoru and can't remember the name of the other homo who left

>> No.845202

>join hololive
>instantly make thousands on debut because idolfags and eops just by making autistic noises
>join nijisanji
>actually have to put in effort and creativity to make interesting content

>> No.845227

>>845155
I don't really care what the reasons are I am just pointing out the absolute numbers without going into all this "yeah but that one doesn't count because reasons" stuff.

>> No.845285

>>843348
>>844899
Just read up what happened and holy shit what a shitshow.

>> No.845413

>>843267
Mu rrat, is that Yagoo's plan goes beyond Hololive. He seems lile a smart dude, and he was working on in house tracking tech, which led to hololive. Anyway my rrat is that according to what i read, yagoo eventually wants to make some sort of VR mmo, with accessible body tracking tech. I think the guy might wanna create actual Sword Art Online with AI and shit. Buy i really think that his ambitions go way beyond anime girls getting superchats. Kind of how Bezos didn't care about books in the late 90s, he just used it as a way to analyze chains of supply.

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>>845202

>> No.845613

>>845413
I think doing something with VR just seems like on of the most logical steps for these companies to further expand their market after they have already found success in the base ones. Ichikara has their VR service up and running already for example, but the focus of theirs is slightly different, rather than some MMO game thing it is currently about being able to have a conversation with 3D anime girls in VR, almost like a personal vtuber I guess.

>> No.845719

>>845613
Iirc Yagoos company was not doing well, its impressive for what it does, but the issue was monetization, and hololive started out as a way to bring in revenue and show off to potential clients. But now the hololive is succesfull i think he might start the work for a VR mmo with affordable tracking tech. The anime is the first piece of the puzzle, start out a multimedia project that eventually gets him the audience for a VR mmo.

>> No.845781

>>845202
nijisanji's business model is the bitcoin mining of the vtuber industry

>> No.845858

>>845227
Didn't Nijisanji axe their Taiwan branch and a good chunk of their koreans

>> No.845958

>>845858
I included everything that is under the Nijisanji name.

>> No.845973

>>845719
>Anime will soon lead to the Matrix
I knew it

>> No.845991

>>845413
he just wants to be a virtual DJ

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>>845719
>>845613
>>845413
Does Yagoo really have such ambitions or is this just a big fat rrat?

>> No.846158

>>845613
It's impressive that they actually made a virtual host club now lol

>> No.846207

>>845413
>yagoo eventually wants to make some sort of VR mmo,
Oh god paying to actually stand there with my oshi that is going to push me over the edge and make me full shut-in neet

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>>842861
Yagoo mindbreaks them into obedience in his sex dungeon

>> No.847627

>>845858
The only "well-performing" overseas Nijisanji branch is probably Nijisanji ID. They haven't gone through anything controversial yet and they are a close-knit group, not some loosely-based clique/circle VTuber community.

>> No.847668

>>845858
>good chunk of their koreans
most of the KRs graduated due to compulsory military service

>> No.847690

They find broken people, fix their lives by hooking them up to the Hololive money / popularity stream and making them become friends with their genmates. Now that their life has improved so much they do not want to go back to what they were like before so they stay.

>> No.848514
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>>845613
>with accessible body tracking tech
For anyone who hasn't got full body yet look out for the kickstarter for the Tundra Tracker next month. While they haven't finalized the price they did say that it would be under the Vive tracker's price point of $100. It is 60% smaller, half the weight, and twice the battery life.

>> No.848569 [DELETED] 

Kiara has started her stream!

>> No.850525

I think Kiara has already moved. Her flag in-game is set to Austria, unless you can set it manually? I don't know.

>> No.850784

When you think about it, VOMS fired 33.3% of their roster.

>> No.850893

>>842861
Remember hololive's idols have salaries while nijisanji's v.livers are part time job

>> No.851021

>>845997
From what i know Hololive was a happy accident. The main purpose of it was to test body/face tracking tech and show it off to other clients. Then it took off and the company turned towards it for revenue. But Yagoo has a history as an ambitious guy, Hololive is not his end goal, we are already seeing this with the anime/multimedia project.

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>>845997
Yagoo's goal is world domination. Cover means Covering the entire world.

>> No.851203

>>842861
Hololive prefers quality over quantity basically. Ever loss of talent is kinda impactful to them.
You can't also fault Nijisanji too cause abandoning low performing talents is inherent to their business model.
And both approaches work.

>> No.851332

>>851203
>You can't also fault Nijisanji too cause abandoning low performing talents is inherent to their business model.
Example of this?

>> No.851430

>>842861
Because they make a shitton of money? Are you stupid? Why would anyone quit their job as a Holo when they make 6 figures a year playing Minecraft with a virtual avatar?

>> No.851627

>>845781
pollutes, creates GPU shortages and floods the second hand market with dead components?

>> No.851806

>>842861
First one would need to count ratio of people that left to total numer of vtubers in both companies. It may be just that there's more people that left Nijisaji because overall they hire much, much more vtubers.

>> No.851875

Miko was recently able to buy her mother a car. Korone can foot her mother's hospital bill no problem. Coco sleeps in a bed made of gold, and so on and so forth. We know for a fact that Hololive does not foot the bill on many of the projects that their talent wants to do like MVs and purchasing god-like pcs so having a lot of funds certainly helps with that. If you don't have to worry about money and is only concerned about what content you can do, you won't probably think of quitting anytime soon. The ones that quit are the ones that have either never been financially secure or the ones that were made to quit due to scandal.

Nijisaji has always prioritized viewership in their niche. They never really gave a shit about expanding outside. So having 500 viewers is not a big deal. It's more of a hobby. The ones that care about the numbers are the ones that pushes hard in studying English or playing games that gain views like MC or something.

>> No.852354

>>851627
>floods the second hand market with dead components?
Mining does not damage components.

>> No.852434

>>842861
Money. Ichikara and the top talents are making money with business deals, but the mid to low tier aren't getting any

>> No.852657

>>851332
It's just something Hololive fans who don't actually watch or follow any of the lower viewership members say.

>> No.852735

>>842861
All the holo girls likes their job and the climate of the agency
None of them has a reason to leave on their own

>> No.852783

>>845202
Nijisanji is still more popular in Japan than Hololive

>> No.853001

>>852434
>but the mid to low tier aren't getting any
I don't know where you get that idea from. Plenty of the members that I assume you would put in that mid to low range get sponsorships. In the last month just looking through stuff tagged as PR I can see sponsored content from Dola, Kou, Kaida Haru, Kanda, Gundoh, Mikoto, Sukoya, Melissa, Ratna Petite, Uiha, Akina, Rion, Debi, Yorumi, Ririmu, Naraka, Haruka, Amamiya, Luis, Chima, Rin, Shelin, Eli, Deron.

>> No.853190

>>852434
Anon, Rain Drops are consist of mid and low tier member.

>> No.853897

>>852783
Source?

>> No.853916

>>844887
Quantity vs quality when you clearly didn't give a chance to 50 of them

>> No.853983

> Not counting Chris, Aloe, the CN branch and the Stars

So, not counting 10 people that makes the graduation and termination higher than Nijisanji, why they want to stay?

>> No.853990

>>843348
Claire is the only vtuber there that I watch, I thought most of the others there just kind of fizzled out and stopped posting videos.

>> No.854034

>>852783
>t. stuck in early 2020

>> No.854088

All things consider Nijisanji has a pretty low turnout as well.

>> No.854106

>>853983
I only know three that chose to graduate and they are all from HoloStars. Not from Hololive. Who are the 10 people that is not Chris, Aloe or CN branch?

>> No.854134

>>853983
If we ignore almost all the people that have left Hololive why have so few left Hololive?

>> No.854182

>>842861
You're a lot more likely to quit if you aren't making any money. That's why 3 of the Holostars quit despite no yabs, but the hololive members that quit basically needed huge controversies to get them to leave.

>> No.854190

I feel like Graduation is somehow painted in bad way here.

>> No.854412

>>843267
>The only real indication we have is Moruru leaving Nijisanji to work for Hololive,
Despite Niji being shit, they're somehow better at giving their girls outfits than hololive is.
A 60k chanel managed to get 4 outfits before graduation, yet that exact same streamer on hololive with 450k subs only managed to get 3 outfits, and 2 of them only came in the last two months.

>> No.854522

>>842861
Maybe better pay but most likely it's just a better and more supportive environment compared to Nijisanji.

>>843267
I thought that ___Luna___ was kind of known to be a pain in the ass and for leaving identities pretty quickly. That she seems to have stability in Hololive probably says a lot about pay but I think, again, the overall company environment as well.

People like to get on Cover for Aloe but that was kind of out of their hands. Can't really have someone in your company who's leaking contract information from another company so as much as the antis went after Aloe she also did herself no favors and she's doing fine on her own anyway.

>> No.854561

>>845227
Nijisanji's seem to come with a lot more drama and way shittier management than Hololive's though.

>> No.854562

>>854182
Only 1 holostar quit because he wasn't making any money, Kira quit because of health reasons and Kaoru was undisclosed, although it was stated that both parties agreed on it

>> No.854573

>it's another hololive vs nijisanji console wars thread

>> No.854587

Designs are less interesting than hololive and they don't usually match the vtuber's personality

>> No.854592

>>852783
Even if this is true, it isn't by much. Even at just 50% japanese viewers, that still gives hololive a whole bunch of 500k jap subs vtubers, and that easily keeps pace with Niji's top numbers (which I doubt are 100% japanese)

>> No.854604

>>854561
Also Nijisanji's propensity for drama is so bad that even Hololive's most notable non-bug related graduation happened because of Nijisansji drama.

>> No.854621

>>854561
Which ones are those? The only two I can think of that were particularly dramatic were Meiro and Raito.

>> No.854640

>>854604
Ah yes, the infamous Aloe did nothing wrong narrative.

>> No.854672

>>854640
>narrative

>> No.854678

>>852354
Running components for 24/7 indefinitely will reduce their remaining lifespan.

>> No.854704

>>854562
Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure gets rid of a lot of shitty stuff that you don't want to deal with.

If you drop your job because something came up, then that means that job wasn't paying enough money to counterbalance the bad and incentivize you to stay.

>> No.854727

>>854640
Please explain then. What did she do wrong exactly?

>> No.854750

>>842861
>Why has Hololive have had such a low turnover rate
They're fortunate to always luck out with a "mom" character that holds the group together
ID- Moona, Reine
JP - Nene, Marine, Mio, Coco, Korone
EN - No one, which explains the low energy, but Ina apparently dove in headfirst tonight for Kiara, and Cali seems to want to be seen as Big/Eldest sister for the group ever since Christmas

laugh and say this is a retarded theory, but the girls listed help out their teammates in ways we scarcely can see on the surface
>Marine calling in on Polka's birthday stream
Did wonders for Polka

>> No.854778

>>854704
I don't see how money would have helped Kira not having a chronic illness, but whatever you say buddy

>> No.854790

>>854727
For one what make you think she's right in the first place about Chitose?

>> No.854907

>>854778
Unless you are literally in a coma, no disease should prevent you from streaming.

Zentreya is mute and Iron Mouse literally has genetic super AIDs and they still stream.

>> No.854932

>>854678
That is simply not true. Using a component does not damage it. GPUs are not like people. Of the things they need a break is not one of them.

>> No.854950

>>854907
>Zentreya is mute
You misspelled "male"

>> No.854965

>>854790
I won't play 20 questions or broken telephone with you. What, specifically, are you accusing Aloe of doing wrong?

>> No.854994

>>854412
Niji livers have to pay for their costumes and for every solo 3D event after their first (need to reach 100K subscribers) out of pocket.

>> No.855012

>>854950
Isn't it weirder than that? I heard she was a 2 person team, a girl writing the text-to-speech, and her boyfriend playing the games.

Either way, "she" is functionally mute.

>> No.855041

>>854907
Not that guy, but streaming can be mentally exhausting.

>>854965
Like i said, It's Chitose. For one her graduation is never about some drama.

>> No.855098

>>852783
Aren't they about equal? Nijisanji just gets bigger corporate sponsorships since, supposedly, Tazumi's uncle is a major player in the Japanese business world (construction I think?) giving Ichikara a lot better access to make those deals than Cover.

>>854190
Did Cover use graduation for her? Because otherwise it's just a case of Hololive fans (or Cover) using idol terminology without understanding it. Aloe's situation is basically one where you'd use "withdrew" over "graduation" which might seem pedantic but generally have two very different and opposite meanings.

Graduation being a decision usually of both parties (because the performer's ready to move on) that comes with an announcement of when the graduation will be, a ceremony and such. Withdrawing is, instead, usually a snap thing and almost always because something went south (relationship with management, health, whatever); no ceremony or countdown but it does allow them to leave with mostly cleanly.

And of course graduating and withdrawing are different from fired.

>>854640
Where do I think I said she did nothing wrong? I said in a previous post that she's the one who fucked up by leaking Nijisanji contract information and drama (since IIRC it was her IRL friend). But that stuff really only came to light in the first place because the Nijisanji fans/Hololive antis jumped on her Live2D screw up to go after her.

>> No.855135

>>854750
what did Ina do?

>> No.855142

>>854750
It's safe to say that if they're doing it so consistently then it's no longer luck. They've got so many glue guys like Iofi, Fubuki, Miko, Subaru, and Haachama among others that like you said we rarely see on the surface but often gets mentioned working behind the scenes.

>> No.855147

>>855041
>Not that guy, but streaming can be mentally exhausting.

Hololive only requires 3 hours a week from their talents (and Ayame gets away with 3 hours a month). If you can't handle 3 hours a week, that's not a medical issue, that's just being a little whiny bitch.

>Like i said, It's Chitose. For one her graduation is never about some drama.

I've heard 12 different takes on that event. What SPECIFICALLY are you saying she did wrong?

>> No.855153

>Niji has to pay foor their 3D model/event
>Tazumi uncle is a major player in the Japanese business world
Where do you people even get this from?

>> No.855155

>>855098
>supposedly, Tazumi's uncle is a major player in the Japanese business world (construction I think?) giving Ichikara a lot better access to make those deals than Cover.
This is made up bullshit, don't believe every unsourced claim you see on an anonymous imageboard just because it gets repeated.

>> No.855193

>>854994
Aren't outfits super expensive? How does a 60k sub vtuber pay for 3 whole outfits?

>> No.855208

>>855153
From what I have seen looking at the Hololive threads occasionally it is a pastime to make up ridiculous stories about Nijisanji and if they sound plausible, and fits with what they want to hear, people will believe them and repeat them without doing any research into it themselves.

>> No.855245

>>854932
>Using a component does not damage it
this is literally not true of anything
learn your physics
maybe you could say that GPUs have enough lifespan that it doesn't matter, but pretty much no electronics components are built with such vrazy lifespans

>> No.855263

>>855098
Why should people trust her claim to begin with?
What make you think she's not spouting some 5ch/2ch narrative?

>>855147
>Hololive only requires 3 hours
But they still stream almost everyday aren't they
>I've heard 12 different takes on that event.
About Chitose? She wanted to focus on music career, at the time Nijisanji focused more on gaming especially Minecraft, she's feel burnout about it.
Basically she's moved to other company that solely focused on music.

>> No.855286

>>854412
I doubt what you said is true. Nijisanji is notorious for being cheapskate that you have to reach a certain number of live viewers before being given a chance to collab with their top livers. Pretty sure those costumes are not free.

>> No.855319

nijisanji eats babies

>> No.855325

>>855286
>Nijisanji is notorious for being cheapskate that you have to reach a certain number of live viewers before being given a chance to collab with their top livers
This is more made up nonsense. What is the threshold do you think. Is averaging 3-500 good enough because Seto Miyako averages that and she was collabing with Kuzuha just the other day. Hajime is the same and he collabs with him too.

>> No.855326

>>855263
>But they still stream almost everyday aren't they
By choice. If they're feeling burnt out they can just stream less.

>About Chitose? She wanted to focus on music career, at the time Nijisanji focused more on gaming especially Minecraft, she's feel burnout about it.
>Basically she's moved to other company that solely focused on music.
And what part of that involves Aloe doing anything wrong? Why is it always pulling worms with you people?

>> No.855350

>>855135
most likely the reason why Kiara even woke up after oversleeping for her mario kart stream
offered to do something to hold her crowd over while Kiara set up, and was floating around on disc to chat with Kiara after

>> No.855406

>>855286
Nah collab restriction happen because VALZ at the time being collab whore right of their debut and people started to call them leech for that.

>>855326
Because her claim is that she's a friend of her is questionable and she's said Chitose quit because of bullying like the people spouting around here.

>> No.855451

>>855325
And if you want to go extreme, Bora whos basically unknown at that time manage to collab with Chihro and Kanae at the apex relay

>> No.855453

>>855263
>What make you think she's not spouting some 5ch/2ch narrative?
Chitose was her IRL friend so why would she need 5ch narratives? The victim complex of Nijifags.

>> No.855476

>>844899
>Thus, what our company is aiming for isn’t really VTubers, but if we had to call them anything the term “C-Tuber” (Character YouTuber) would be more accurate.
PPFFFFTTT

>> No.855490

>>855453
And we are return to >>854790

>> No.855512

>>855490
?????

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>>855406
>Because her claim is that she's a friend of her is questionable and she's said Chitose quit because of bullying like the people spouting around here.
You're right, bullying in Nijisanji? That's absurd.

>> No.855539

>>855193
Precisely. Nijisanji is doing a shotgun approach in recruiting their talents. How is it economically viable for them to splurge money even on their non performing talents? Given the fact that Nijisanji is relatively worse compared to Hololive at developing talents, it just doesn't make any sense.

>> No.855571

>>855406
>Because her claim is that she's a friend of her is questionable and she's said Chitose quit because of bullying like the people spouting around here.

Given what Nijifags did to Aloe afterwards, claims of bullying seem eminently believable. In fact, its straight up unbelievable that such vicious bullying and stalking and harassment sprung out of thin air and wasn't somewhat omnipresent beforehand.

>> No.855622

>>855532
Using Roa as an example at this point is kind of silly considering popular opinion has now shifted to her not being the one at fault in the whole incident and people waiting for her to return.

>> No.855625

>>855490
What evidence are you basing your claim that they weren't actually friends? Why would she lie about that?

This seems like a desperate rrat.

>> No.855676

>>855532
Maybe Chitose herself is the bully considering She and Roa are friends irl

>> No.855692

>>854106
Termination - Chris
Graduation - Aloe, CN (more like fired) and 3 holostars

11 actually

>> No.855710

>>855512
Where are the proof of she's Chitose friend to begin with?
Because that's sound like "My dad work with Nintendo"

>>855571
Why you think Aloe case was all of Nijisanji fault?
You think the mighty Cover and Hololive would drop one of their talent because of little puny Nijifags?

>>855625
That's the thing, there are no evidence for both claim.
Yet people claiming like it was absolute truth for sake of connivance and in line with their own narrative.

>> No.855711

>>855539
>How is it economically viable for them to splurge money even on their non performing talents?
VTubers are basically all upfront cost which isn't that big for a company

>> No.855748

>>842861
Holos have a lot of overlaps in their fanbase. They also don't bully their juniors into submission. This fosters a healthy environment for the newbies to grow and develop. I'd guess a non toxic working environment is a bug plus for these rich gals.

>> No.855766

>>855153
>>Niji has to pay foor their 3D model/event
Probably exaggerated claim based of what Hayato said.

>> No.855801

>>855710
>You think the mighty Cover and Hololive would drop one of their talent because of little puny Nijifags?
Except Cover didn't drop her, she just called it quits because she didn't want to deal with the anti shit any more

>> No.855802

>>855625
The details of what she said not matching up with reality? The reasons Chitose herself gave for leaving are different. The stuff about doxxing doesn't really seem to make sense either, if you look up her old threads as an utaite before joining Nijisanji you can see people discussing face pictures in those and then when she became Chitose the connection was almost immediately made as often is the case when people have past lives.

>> No.855854

>>855748
Aren't most of them cry like every week on stream?

>> No.855878

>>855748
That's probably why no one shits on chumbuds and other fandom huh

>> No.855880

>>855801
Yet, i see tons of people around here claiming it was solely Nijifags.

>> No.855881

>>855854
No?

>> No.855910

>>855710
You're weird. Are you saying you'd rather believe some randos on the internet over a talent of some big corpo? Unless some other talent would dispute Aloe over what she said then yes, I'd believe her until disproven otherwise.

>> No.855921
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>>854573
REJECT PEACE
EMBRACE TRIBALISM

>> No.855931

>>855880
But it was nijifags, it's just that she wasn't "dropped" by Cover.

>> No.855964

>>855710
>Why you think Aloe case was all of Nijisanji fault?
>You think the mighty Cover and Hololive would drop one of their talent because of little puny Nijifags?

She's the one who quit because Nijifags kept calling her house and harassing her and her family for weeks. Hololive and gen 5 have openly said that she can come back whenever she wants.

>That's the thing, there are no evidence for both claim.
>Yet people claiming like it was absolute truth for sake of connivance and in line with their own narrative.

Except that one is obvious corporate speak while the other is a candid statement from someone in the industry. Also, I don't believe that anyone has disputed that Aloe knew her IRL.

>> No.855972

>>843267
>and salaries (how big no one knows, but big enough for the talent to be safe and secure).
One of the Holos told us that early on, the actual salary is basically lower than being a full-time waitress. The main appeal is the freedom; Cover leave the talents to find their own personality and character. Sure, there was a character bio written up, but at this point we can all agree that no one ever followed that script.

Obviously that freedom also means if you don't try to find something to differentiate yourself, you would get stuck without growth like Aki Rosenthal. Hololive is free, but freedom is not for everyone. You really have to be creative and come up with your own goals, which is the opposite of real life idol companies.

Basically Hololive is so different because it doesn't micromanage, which has both upsides and downsides.

>> No.855981

>>855910
Literally the person she said it about gave a statement of different reasons for leaving the company than Aloe said.

>> No.856024

>>855972
>Hololive is so different because it doesn't micromanage, which has both upsides and downsides.
I don't really get it on the one hand I see Hololive fans saying Nijisanji just leaves their talents who don't do well enough to fend for themselves and try drag themselves out of it but at the same time you are saying that freedom is a positive that Nijisanji doesn't have because they are micromanaged?

>> No.856037

>>855981
You meant Chitose? That's a business speak dude. You're deliberately being obtuse.

>> No.856061

>>855910
Well, If that was the case then i chose to believe Chitose own word, not some random no name vtuber.

>>855931
>>855964
The fact you claiming it's "nijifags" is the bias.
Anti is not just fans of either company.

>> No.856065

>>856037
So the person themselves is a less reliable source than a person who at the time was some random who? I think you are just discounting things that contradict the opinion you want to have.

>> No.856068

>>855981
I guess we're not all as credulous of corporate talk as you are.

Pro tip: Never shittalk your previous employer and workplace. That's a good way to never get hired again.

>> No.856070

>>856024
but you're actually getting it. It's all just narrative posting. No one in this thread actually know what they're talking about.

>> No.856096

>>856068
She was already hired again.

>> No.856102

>>856061
>The fact you claiming it's "nijifags" is the bias.
>Anti is not just fans of either company
No True Scotsman?
Really?

>> No.856107

>>856061
>The fact you claiming it's "nijifags" is the bias.
>Anti is not just fans of either company.

Why would non nijifags know or care enough about any of this Chitose business to harass her for weeks?

>> No.856125

>>856096
Confirmed for never having worked in an industry in your life.

>> No.856134

>>856102
I mean you do know Japan has schizo's like the ones we have here exist, that falseflag and pose as the fans of another company to make them look bad?

>> No.856152

>>855854
Just Kiara honestly.

>> No.856153

>>856125
I mean you are saying she wouldn't be able to tell the truth because she wants another job. But she literally already had one.

>> No.856155

>>856102
>>856107
There are people are just hate vtubers in general and just want to saw the scene burn.
Have you ever hear about Katou Junichii and his fans?

>> No.856174

>>842861
Maybe Cover with Yaggo is just based as boss?

>> No.856184

>>856068
Companies were reaching out to Aloe trying to sing her on after she quit. No one cared about the open secrets she said in the twitcast aside from nijifags who wanted to harass her for "spitting on Chitose's grave".

>> No.856204

>>856024
>I don't really get it on the one hand I see Hololive fans saying Nijisanji just leaves their talents who don't do well enough to fend for themselves and try drag themselves out of it but at the same time you are saying that freedom is a positive that Nijisanji doesn't have because they are micromanaged?
Cover's job is to Cover for the talents. Hence the name.

In real life idol groups, young girls get assigned personalities, back-stories, and favourites foods. They are basically told to act a certain way for marketing reasons. Hololive doesn't do that. But it does mean that the girls have to find out for themselves what works. And if that means cooking and eating a spider on stream then Cover allows it.

I do not want to speak for Nijisanji because I know next to nothing about them. i can only tell you what I know.

>> No.856206

>>856024
It's almost as if Hololive fans aren't a monolithic hivemind

>> No.856212

>>856134
There are only two big vtuber companies though. Almost everyone who knows about this vtuber stuff would fall into those two camps. Holofags might falseflag as nijifags, but not to harass one of their own freshly debuted chubas. There aren't enough people in the venn diagram cross section of "vtuber fan" and "non-big two fans" to account for the sheer amount of harassment Aloe got.

>> No.856222

>>856184
>Companies were reaching out to Aloe trying to sing her on after she quit. No one cared about the open secrets she said in the twitcast aside from nijifags who wanted to harass her for "spitting on Chitose's grave".
No to mention that Hololive/Cover wanted her to stay. She wasn't fired, she quit.

>> No.856233

>>856153
Your employer will give you a stern talking to if you start publicly disparaging your previous employer. They don't want you starting needless drama with their competitor.

>> No.856239

>>856061
>>856065
>random no name
Bear in mind that Aloe's dead channel has STILL a higher subscriber count than that of Chigusa's. Her new channel has already eclipsed some of those Niji's latest livers. No wonder Ichikara is so desperate on Reddit.

>> No.856242

>>856233
They aren't competitors.

>> No.856252

>>856233
>They don't want you starting needless drama with their competitor.
brain on tribalism

>> No.856254

>>855098
Tazumi's uncle owns a real estate conglomerate, the trustfund kid had like 5 failed businesses before getting lucky with Mito.

>> No.856279

>>856155
>There are people are just hate vtubers in general and just want to saw the scene burn.

And how would these people have found out about this drama with very tenuous evidence to back it up if not that it was spread by nijifags?

>>856184
Aloe wasn't a niji was she? Because talking smack about a company as an outsider looking in is a lot less damaging than talking smack about it as an insider.

>> No.856289

>>856222
It's a real shame, I think. She had made good friends with her gen and some of her senpais (Coco talked about her fondly before). Maybe if her home life had been a bit better she wouldn't have left.

>> No.856294

>>856254
He tried to start up 4 different business ideas, which failed to get started because nobody would fund them.

>> No.856322

>>856242
>>856252
Are you two retarded? In what way are Nijisanji and Hololive not competitors? They both provide the same service and there are only so many eyeballs and so many hours in a day.

>> No.856339

>>856322
We are talking about Chitose moving from Nijisanji to a record label here.

>> No.856358

>>856339
Last I checked, Nijisanji released music too.

>> No.856362

>>856279
And how would these people have found out about this drama with very tenuous evidence to back it up if not that it was spread by nijifags?
Narukami.

>> No.856376

>>842861
Wasn't Tomoshika of Voms a former Niji liver too but got bullied that's why she left or was that a rrat?

>> No.856386

>>856376
the suspected ex niji liver doesn't even sound similar to tomoshika

>> No.856406

>>856239
Anon, Her claims is BEFORE Aloe joining Holo.

>>856358
At that time, not yet.

>> No.856424

>>856386
Tomoshika's voice is a complete fabrication

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdNFmLhmeY

>> No.856440

>>856358
At the time she left they weren't really. Hence why she left to pursue a more serious music career. The records deals and focus on music only started coming to the forefront at the end of the year and beginning of 2020.

>> No.856445

>>854190
Because so far, most of the holos that are no longer with holopro have been fired or let go due to drama/contract violations. The only one that left on their own that didn't have some kind of shit going on was probably that one homo that left before kaoru was fired. Basically no one has left yet willingly on a good note.

>> No.856480

>>855622
>not being the one at fault
I'll give (you) attention, but in fact nobody even remembers Roa, only her fans are spamming everywhere wanting to change narrative. When in reality Merio, Roa and management were retards in this situation with a lot of missudersanding in between.

>> No.856499

>>855692
Kaoru was terminated, not graduated.

>> No.856505

>>856480
Belmond mentioned just the other day that he was doing a collab with her for Nijifes that got cancelled because it was moved online and the response to that has been overwhelmingly supportive and positive.

>> No.856534

>>854190
Saying "graduate" is condescending and dismissive especially when we know not all of these people leave under amicable or fair terms/situations.

So is being dimissive of fans taking the performer's side over a corporations' and expecting transparency and proof of fair dealings and talking about them like some kind of evil drama-rousing conspiracy theorists.

These kinds of attitudes breed long term resentment and hostility that you won't see the full consequences of for a long time.

>>854678
MTBF exists and is real, sorry. Components do not have indefinite lifespans.

>> No.856546

>>856061
Reminder that a lot of the retards that were justifying the harassment on her video comments were subbed to nijilivers exclusively.

>> No.856608

>>856152
This and I wish she'd fucking stop. Today's stream was especially exasperating, and I had to skip the first part.

>> No.856646
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I hope the same thing happens to a nijisanji girl one day, I hope nijifags will learn a lesson about not harassing people then

>> No.856657
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856657

>>856546
The western nijifags were the ones that spread the bullshit narratives on youtube and reddit. They covered for their JP counterparts and still do it whenever they can.

>> No.856708

>>856608
>This and I wish she'd fucking stop. Today's stream was especially exasperating, and I had to skip the first part.
I am sure she would feel better back home, and no longer living in a literal rat-infested shithole. Kiara didn't move out earlier because she was already flying home and didn't see the point of moving twice. The girl had went through a lot. I am sure mum's home cooking would calm her down and she can start her European conquest.

>> No.856715

>>856646
What he is saying about Chitose and Aloe is correct though. None of what she said about her matches up with either what Chitose herself has said or what was previously known about her before she was Chitose. Not that it justifies the more extreme behaviours that are claimed to have occurred at all but its just the truth.

>> No.856765

>>856505
>overwhelmingly supportive
Yeah i see, 20 people talking about it on announcement tweet, so much support. And yes I saw cancelation tweet, ofcourse it will have more people talking about it.
But anyway she will be back eventually so meh.
I will continue to call out Roa fags until she comes back, lel

>> No.856772

>>856715
Muh nijisanji honour muh chitose grave, I honestly hate you

>> No.856779

>>856646
>>856657
>representing the japanese community
My fucking sides

>> No.856800

>>856765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7t3dDUKG5o

>> No.856815

>>856772
Why though? All I am saying is that I believe she said something wrong because it doesn't match up with all the other evidence there is on the matter. I'm not saying fuck aloe she deserved what she got or whatever.

>> No.856873

>>856815
It was never a matter of evidence or some other stupid petty bullshit she made those statements like a year before debuting to an audience of 20 people it was never a big deal she literally never had any intent of hurting anyone and caused no damage to your precious nijisanji company this whole harassment campaign came from nijisanji fans treating that company like a religion

>> No.856924

>>856646
Did he even read it before posting? I don't believe that it was writen by human being with pair of balls and dick, sounds more like wanna be Jap somwere from sea shithole.

>> No.856927

>>856873
What does any of this have to do with me believing what he says about Chitose and Aloe was wrong though? I already pointed out that I don't think the harassment she received was justified.

>> No.856952

>>856800
Ahh such a sweet story, even I started to believe that Roa is not retarded bitch.

>> No.856971

>>856952
The response does seem to be quite strongly positive though doesn't it? There are tons of comments there saying how happy they are to hear news about her and they are awaiting her return etc.

>> No.856990

>>856924
He was later found to be a niji translator.
>sounds more like wanna be Jap somwere from sea shithole
Those are the type of people that made the jp niji and vyt threads their home.

>> No.857016

>>856927
Seems like you want to justify the harassment

>> No.857029

>>856990
I can go to his channel right now though? There are no translations on it and he is subbed to both Hololive and Nijisanji people.

>> No.857041

>>856971
Nijisanji fans will believe anything their precious company will tell them to believe, they will even harass girls from other companies in order to give nijisanji an advantage.

>> No.857044

>>856646
>>856657
I think western see that only Nijisanji fans that angry toward that statement is due to this guy post. Ignoring things that obvious like pure idolfag or vtuber anti who just joining for the fun.

>> No.857051

>>857016
Correcting misinformation isn't justifying harassment.

>> No.857064

>>856646
>>856657
I checked this guy's channel apparently he's also subbed to hololive members too? I thought he's a 'nijifag'?

>> No.857066

>>857041
But there were tons of Nijisanji fans questioning the official statement put out about Meiro and Roa. So much so that they were forced to put out the second longer explanation.

>> No.857118

>>857064
Seeing the emphasis he's putting on defending nijisanji's honor to the cost of having hololive losing an employee he is a nijifag

>> No.857142

>>857118
Pointing out fans doesn't always mean defending.
In fact the guy kinda misleading.

>> No.857164

>>857142
? He's speaking for the "japanese community" and somehow has 44 upvotes, who do you think is upvoting that stuff

>> No.857192

>>856971
I can also jastify in 20 different ways why comments are positive espesially after all this time, people are forgiving. Roa will be back, but it doesn't change facts about everyone being retards it that particualr incident.
Roafags spinning narratives as if she was innocent is kinda dirty.

>> No.857217

>>857192
How anyone can construe sending a few messages on discord to try resolve a workplace issue as ever being bullying without being intentionally retarded I don't know.

>> No.857236

Well, the talent tend to have very close knit friendships with each other which helps them enjoy their day to day and when each other are having a rough time (See, Kanata with Coco lately). Fans are dedicated, they get a good degree of freedom (Haachama and Marine can show how far they can take it) and money comes in well, to the point they tell their fans to think of themselves before spamming red superchats (Matsuri turned hers off out of concern I think, I mean compare this to a twitch e-thot that bitches that nobody will spend five bux on them)

I guess it's just quite comfy for them.

>> No.857281

>>857217
Didn't she get management involved before sending those messages?

>> No.857308

>>857281
If I remember correctly yes.

>> No.857324

>>857164
EoP who didn't know the full context.
I shall remind you that in the video Aloe didn't just talk about Nijisanji and Chitose.
She's also shitting about idolfag and the company who employ "no open male relationship" policy(she refering VA agency, but you know well its also applied to Cover).
That guy post made it like it was all about Nijisanji fans, the fact that some people in this thread didn't counting non corporate anti/shitposters into account make it it was all about Us vs Them, when in Japan it's not just about company.

>> No.857328

>>857308
Nice dialogue

>> No.857342

>>857217
Oh you are starting to call names already i see, I'm not going to rewatch narukami video and read wall of text just to refresh wtf happend there, but if you are really curious why people think it, you might want to check couple of Roa threads in archives to find your answer.

>> No.857384

>>857342
So you don't know what happened but you'll stick to your bullying narrative despite not being able to back that up?

>> No.857408

>>857324
>but you know well its also applied to Cover
You can't even comprehend that she was never even implying about Cover, since she stated to work as Aloe in Hololive?

>> No.857410

>>857324
Hololive has far worse offenders to idolfag sensibilities than Aloe, the main difference this time was nijisanji fans getting involved.

>> No.857615

>>857408
So what are you saying Cover are fine with their girl are openly said they have boyfriend?

>>857410
Yes, my point is that Aloe case isn't just about Nijisanji and those Anti's who harrasing her probably isn't even a Nijifag.

>> No.857637

>>857236
Very comfy when you are secured financially. Miko being on pause and then returning... The rain of sc and now her constant high numbers too.

Hololive seems to have more projects too like original songs, holoalt, exclusive collabs in nnd, sponsorships and merch. It's not just sponsorships or voice packs. They get all.

>> No.857681

>>857615
Watame's boyfriend profile showed up on her switch and she got 0 shit for it, having a boyfriend is fine as long as they deny it.

>> No.857687

>>857637
Hololive is just catching up to Nijisanji with most of that stuff though. They have already released full albums of original songs, they already have their an official game and multiple manga series, not sure what you mean by exclusive collabs in nnd but if you mean things like watchalongs or whatever then Nijisanji is doing them all the time, along with their own original programs on there.

>> No.857710

>>857637
It's a good feeling when you know you are part of something bigger than yourself. They have a choice too if they want to. Even if Ayame doesn't stream everyday her fans know that she is putting her efforts on other things like Bloom. She was awesome there. Hololive gives everyone an opportunity to be involved.

>> No.857771

>>857615
Forget about boyfriend, Aloe gave examples of shit black companies do, and told she would never work for them. It was never meant to be a jab at Cover since she applied to Hololive.
People who believe otherwise were misled by nijifags and antis capitalising on situation.

>> No.857781

>>857687
The nijisanji album can only highlight a group of their members that are good in singing. It's hard when you are so many. I think that's why dividing the holomembers in groups for bloom was a great idea.

>> No.857841

>>857781
They have released I think 5 original albums? The compilation one that had all sorts of members on it good or not particularly. Two albums for Raindrops which was kind of mix some of the members were great others not so much. Then Deron and Petit Fleurs got original albums too and they are decent at what they are trying to do. Then there was the covers album which I wasn't counting that did mostly have good singers although there were some that aren't known for being good on it. I think some other members have released digital singles and EPs too of original songs but I won't count those either.

>> No.857864

>>857681
The problem is that in that video she's proud of it and while during the apology she's told people that they already broke up she's still have the boyfriend in her contact.

>> No.857970

>>857841
I know what you are saying. I think you misunderstood me. What I'm trying to say is that Cover is providing the girls an opportunity to be part of an original song/s. These were Cover's idea. The girls just had to say yes. Noel probably never thought of releasing an original song but since she was offered she took it. There seems to be a good effort to involve the girls in projects they would not really go for on their own. The holoalt is going to be good too if it ever becomes something bigger like an Anime.

I imagine in Nijisanji, you have to decide what you want and push yourself to actually do those. If you ever get stuck in a rut and don't know what to do... That is when things fall apart. Hololive girls have less time to do that because things are handed to them

>> No.858079

>>855098
>Aren't they about equal? Nijisanji just gets bigger corporate sponsorships since, supposedly, Tazumi's uncle is a major player in the Japanese business world (construction I think?) giving Ichikara a lot better access to make those deals than Cover.
/hlg/ EOP anyone, even 5chan doesn't say bullshit like that

>> No.858111

>>855153
/hlg/ EOPs, mostly

>> No.858179

>>858079
>>858111
Go back to jp faggot

>> No.858234

>>858179
Did I hit a nerve?

>> No.858252

>>843440
Damn I like Saki tho
thought she was an Indie
oh well
Nice songs, I guess its time for me to archiiiveeee

>> No.858672

>>858234
Yes now go back

>> No.858906

>>858672
Then no one calls out on your narrative bullshit?

>> No.859617

>>858906
it's all narratives whenever someone talks negatively about Nijisanji right?

>> No.860094

>>859617
A lot of the stuff Hololive fans come out with about Nijisanji in these threads does seem to highlight how many weird ideas have spread about the company in their threads without being challenged that don't really stand up to the slightest push back.

People saying Nijisanji doesn't promote their small talents, ask for examples get none. People saying the smaller talents of Nijisanji don't get any money from sponsorships, get given a huge list of people that have in the last month. Try to claim members have to pass some viewership quota to be allowed to collab with the more popular members, get multiple examples of low viewership members collabing with those at the very top of the company. So on and so on.

>> No.860293

>>860094
I've only ever seen nijifags say EOP or pick out a small detail and pretend like it invalidates the whole post lol

>> No.860326

>>860293
All of those things I have referred to happened in this very thread.

>> No.860468

>>856708
I hope going back home make things better for Kiara.
I was supportive of her before, but it's really hard to support someone that's whining even though her channel is growing faster than most channels.

>> No.861045

>>843348
Went to check out how they are doing and it seems that every group outside of aogiriHS and one member of gamebu has vanished off the planet. Only really watched tamako out of all the brave group though i fear for her since she sounded really sad during her recent stream.

>> No.861826

Another factor is work environment and interaction between talents. While there are definitely friendships between many of the Vtubers in Nijisanji ultimately though quite a lot of the talents in the company don't really get close or interact much with each other beyond their own small group of friends. This has led to various cliques forming with some talents just not forming that much of a bond with their fellow coworkers and has led to even in-company drama amongst each other like what happened with Roa and Meiro. From what I understand Luna was a former Nijisanji Vtuber that reincarnated multiple times already until she got into Hololive where she finally stayed after forming friendships with the other girls.

>> No.862006

>>861826
How did Roa and Meiro have anything to do with "cliques"? It was just because one member was copying another and that member wasn't happy about it.

>> No.862194

>>861826
What clique? Like when Meiro dragged Shiina and Chaika to fight Roa?

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>> No.864123

Lol, how is Aloe being brought up again? Her fans even flooded Chitose’s twitcast stream afterwards asking her to defend Aloe, and she had to tell them they were mentally ill and to leave her alone. Nice job not harassing people.

>> No.864358

>>862006
They don't? I meant to say that cliques form while separately stating the whole Roa Meiro debacle. If anything the whole Roa Meiro thing is indicative of the inherent lack of push to have coworkers bond and befriend each other like Hololive does. Hololive promotes the talents to work and befriend each other which prevents petty personal dramas like the Meiro and Roa thing from happening.

>> No.864551

>>864358
>Hololive promotes the talents to work and befriend each other
That's why their collabs are 2 hours at most?

>> No.864593

>>855692
Aloe withdrew

>> No.864607

>>857864
The problem is that you're some unicorn incel fuck.

>> No.864676

>>864358
Pushing to have them bond and befriend each other is just the other side of the coin of being forced to pretend to be friends. Either way, you're right that Niji doesn't push for them to have to interact if they don't want to. But Meiro/Roa had nothing to do with whether management should have pushed them to work together or not.

>> No.864802

>>864676
Not that it's gonna work anyway, Since Meiro decide to abandon Kirame anyway before the drama blown up.

>> No.864836

>>864551
And that invalidates the point how?
>>864676
It's not even about working together it's about having at least some level of professionalism to not bring your petty, personal squabbles into your job.

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>>845413
>I think the guy might wanna create actual Sword Art Online with AI and shit.
So Yagoo is Kayaba?
Naruhodo.

>> No.865007

>>856815
Japan is a face saving culture. People who get bullied can't say that they're getting bullied for some stupid fucking reason it's not like the west.
To them it's something to be ashamed of.

>> No.865131

>>864836
>And that invalidates the point how?
The way that it's just another company mandated rule and is only a bother for the members.

>> No.865290

>>865007
You mean like how Aloe couldn't say that she was being harassed at her own home? This is moronic reasoning when you're just implying that "x is the truth, y just doesn't want to say it".

Not to mention how Aloe's story not adding up isn't completely compromised by just contradicting Chitose. Her name and photos had been known long before she even joined Nijisanji. How does her logic go from someone spread a dox of me from an alt twitter->causes a fan to stalk her at her house irl->therefore I should quit Nijisanji because that'll make the fan stop?

>> No.865349

>>865290
I guess Aloe is a lying bitch after all.
No way that there's workplace bullying or creepy gachikoi idol stalkers or black companies in japan.

>> No.865404

>>864836
It stops being a personal squabble when you bring everyone into it. Both Meiro with her @everyone, refusal to cooperate, and Roa with her vague posting on twitter, and requesting management to get her to stop. Also by virtue of Roa's tic being unique, such that every time Meiro uses it in public, it's not possible for it to be personal.

It also stops being petty when Meiro had threatened to graduate over it, and Roa decides to take a huge break because of it. Like really, some guy comes into your office, threatens to quit if you don't do something, is actually on the verge of quitting, and you go "lol petty squabble just get over it". It clearly wasn't petty to them, and nothing management says is going to change that.

>> No.865417

>>856708
Bro, Kiara's never going to change. She's a menhera who realized that crying gives her lots of akasupas. She has literally no reason to stop.

>> No.865458

>>865349
>No way that there's workplace bullying or creepy gachikoi idol stalkers or black companies in japan.
Why don't you quote the sentence where you think I said that?

>> No.865503

>>865417
She's a menhera who realizes her cult wants her to be emotional, and she gives them the opportunity to feel like they're supporting her.

>> No.865528

>>865458
It's been so fucking long but this is how the video went - Aloe is like I'm worried about joining this kind of industry, sometimes there's black companies who fuck you over in contracts and there's workplace bullying I heard that a vtuber called chitose got doxxed by accident and stalked by a creep idolbuta so she decided to quit. Anyways I'm worried about my future.

How NiggerSanji fans heard it - Chitose was BULLIED by her coworkers and forced to quit. Fuck you Nijisanji.

>> No.865555

>>859617
Nijiniggers are incredibly thinskinned about the fact that their favorite company is stuck being a big fish in a small pond.

>> No.865779

>>865528
Which of that is the quote where I said workplace bullying, idol stalkers, or black companies don't exist in Japan?

Whether Aloe implied that someone within Nijisanji is the one who spread the dox is ambiguous, but most natives seem to think so while acknowledging she might not have meant that. Using 裏垢 and bringing it up in the same topic of workplace bullying and black companies doesn't help.

Either way, it has nothing to do with the point, which is that Chitose getting doxxed->getting stalked->quitting, is a line of logic that doesn't make sense. People wanted her to apologize for spreading rumors that have zero evidence behind them.

>> No.865789

>>865528
She would havw been fine IF SHE DOESN'T CREATE A NARRATIVE ABOUT CHITOSE SHE GOT FROM FUCKING 5CH. Even the girl Admit she got it from 5ch. Chitosefag was right for getting mad at Dedechi.

>> No.865806

>>865528
Actually where did this bullied even came from to begin with is it even came out in Japanese?
Because both side are equally polluted the story in english.

>> No.865981

>>853990
Fucking shame she's tied to that shitshow of a company.

>> No.866037

>>865789
It was a private video to five people in her circle. I don't know why she made it public for 5ch autists to dig up.

>>865779
>but most natives seem to think so while
Wrong 5ch incels mad at her being a slut decided to use that video as ammunition and came up with that narrative which spread. It was actually very ambiguous in the actual video.

>> No.866087

>>842861
What a fucking dumb question. Because they curate and have strict auditions, fucking duh. This is extremely common in the entertainment industry. If you try very hard to get a part, you're not going to want to drop it

>> No.866095

>>866037
It's not ambiguous. Dedechi out right said Chitose was doxxed in Nijisanji because she slept around. If someone said that to your oshi who already graduated with no drama because she got a better offer, you would be mad too.

>> No.866105

>>855098
Nijisanji is owned by a company who's owned partially by Sony.
Nijisanji is the ultimate in corporate vtubing.

>> No.866119

>>866105
Cover is owned by one of the largest advertising agencies in Japan and one of the largest banks in Japan.
The ultimate in corporate vtubing.

>> No.866139

>>866119
Source?

>> No.866173

>>866095
Btw, the vid.
https://files.catbox.moe/nj05dn.mp4
Start with 4:38. This is the real reason why she got harassed.

>> No.866204

>>866139
https://startup-db.com/ja/companies/4853/cover-corp
Scroll down and you cant see a list of their investors.
Some of the interesting ones.
STRIVE, is the venture capital brand of Gree, the social/mobile game company that also owns the vtuber platform Reality and the VR associated stuff with that.
OLM, the Pokemon animation studio invested through their venture capital subsidiary.
Hakuhodo DY, is the second largest advertising agency in Japan behind Dentsu.
Mizuho is one of the largest financial groups in Japan.

>> No.866217

>>843440
Dang didn't even know Saki was associated with a company

>> No.866231

I personally like watching Nijis because they have a much better and more varied game selection as well as more niche appeal streams like watching ririmu do calculus homework. I don't understand why Cover even bothers having so many V-tubers when they all stream the same games at the same time and otherwise just do the occasional utawaku or zatsudan.

>> No.866339

>>854750
Don't forget Towa. She (like Mio) is often behind big collabs and events. E.g. the mario kart tournament, and some of the first among us collabs.

>> No.866365

>>866037
I wasn't browsing the Holo thread when it happened, so I only have the story of them screwing around with her twitter. But when the video came out, it was definitely discussed in the Niji 5ch thread too, and the popular sentiment was definitely her accusing someone in Niji of spreading the dox, with a few people asking whether she could have meant something else. I was literally there browsing it.

"Very ambiguous" is stretching it. It's possible she did mean someone else, but the context doesn't make it seem so. But like I said, that's besides the point.

>> No.866447

>>845202
You know as someone that likes both Nijisanji and Hololive i kind of have to agree with this take, a big part as to why Hololive is attractive for people to work with is that they pretty much have a guarantee that they WILL be more popular than 90% of Indies doing absolutiely nothing, all of the Holo5 and all of the HoloEN girls reached 100k Subs before debut, they gain a level of popularity that most Vtubers can only dream of by doing literally nothing even if they wanted to they couldn't DO nothing because they haven't even debuted yet

>> No.866690

>>866095
>>866173
>The reason why this is came out to begin with is your friend cover your track sloppily resulting in doxx.
>There is video of you talking about doxx.
I don't know what to say.

>> No.866750

>>866690
I don't understand why you don't accept that your dumb slanderous slut was never innocent. Dumb rrat deserve it.

>> No.866820

>>866750
I think you got it wrong anon, i'm just talking about how Aloe got into that situation here

>> No.867401

I lost my fucking shit when i realized there's Nijisanji Indian KEKW

>> No.867877

>>866820
Oh. Sorry.

>> No.868169
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868169

I will never forgive nijiniggers for aloe.

>> No.868342

>>866095
>she slept around
Uh no? It says she was out with some coworkers.

>> No.868434
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868434

>>868169
And I'll never forgive Aloefag for Chitose.

>> No.868508

>>868342
Oh yeah. She said "playing around" with her coworkers.

>> No.868591

>>868508
You can date your coworkers in NijiSanji. Why is that a problem?

>> No.869196

>>865503
>She's a menhera who realizes her cult wants her to be emotional, and she gives them the opportunity to feel like they're supporting her.
You act like she wasn't backstabbed as an Idol. Also she makes good contrast with all the JP talents who try to bottle things up.

>> No.869593

>>866365
Japanese is a very inferential language with a lot of >implying.

The way you deal with that kind of indirect language is to not ever say anything that could even slightly be taken negatively. Instead vent out your negative toxicity online like the other good nips. Aloe's a brainlet, maybe she didn't deserve the harassment but she's fucking dumb.

>> No.869952

>>868508
Asobu can also mean to hang out, which is what it meant in that case.

>> No.870013

>>853916
can you blame him...

>> No.870819

>>842861
The cynical answer would be, better pay checks than all other agencies.

The hopeful answer would be, better environment and nicer people (apparently Yagoo himself is very nice to each of the girls)


The realistic answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Good money, good people, not as stressful as being a real idol. Though something tells me that some of them are also just too afraid to quit at this point. A "where do I go from here?" mentality. Granted most of the girls are talented enough to branch off and do VA work , music, art, etc if need be, but some of them I think are too afraid to get out of that comfort zone. Shit, Pekora just barely got over her social autism as it was, cant imagine if she just one day got the boot.

>> No.870877

>>869952
I looked up 遊ぶ on google images looks like a bunch of kids just hanging out.
How did it get twisted into Aloe was outing Chitose as a slut?

>> No.870930

>>870877
Because antis never cared about the truth, and they’re willing to twist things in whichever way best suits them.

>> No.870967

>>870819
I know Matsuri has done VA work as her roommate. Mel, Choco, Noel and Azki are active in their alts. I think Noel is the one that gets most bank in her alt.

It's too early to throw in the towel though. The most veteran which is Sora has only been doing this for over 3 years. They peaked 2020 and is still rising. So no reason to quit. We can revisit this after they hit their 5th year.

>> No.871291

>>870877
If you're talking about >>866095, it's pretty much full of shit. There's no ambiguity in 遊ぶ, the "ambiguity" is whether she meant someone within Nijisanji spread Chitose's dox, or someone else unrelated spread it.

>>870819
Afraid to quit is a real thing among normal idol agencies too. When you're part of the company, your manager sends you work, you can be included in events and stuff, and when it's the company that built you up, it sort of becomes part of your identity. And these people are supposedly more well adjusted than internet shut-ins.

A lot of AKB graduates talked about how hard it was making the transition from being an idol as part of AKB, to starting off their own solo careers . It especially doesn't help when you enter in high school, and your co-workers become your only friends.

>> No.871363

>>870967
Just like stonks, sure its still rising but you would be a fool to think its gonna last for very long.

>> No.871406

>>871291
Ok I am super confused right now so what did Aloe actually do to Chitose?
She didn't out her as a slut. She said that Chitose got doxxed somehow is that why the NijiSanji fans are mad?

>> No.872095

>>866231
It's idol culture for you, everyone is sunshine with smiles, eveyone is happy, everyone is united family

>> No.872284

>>845997
That anon is dreaming a little too high with the SAO shit, what we know is hololive Alternative, and yagoo showing some 3D model of PPT walking around a field, the safest rrat is that he wants to make a japanese Second Life where his talent and possibly others can come and both watch and perform in virtual shows without too much work, which if you are a zoomer and don't know, SL was advertised as a place for that back then.

>> No.872381

>>871406
>She didn't out her as a slut. She said that Chitose got doxxed somehow is that why the NijiSanji fans are mad?
She said 5ch's narrative as if she has the insider's information, basically anti want her out because they want to see some fire, holofags want her out because she's unprofessional and talked shit about idol culture and "sashimi cock", nijifags mad because she said narrative shit about Chitose and niji wihout any evidence and didn't apologize fo it, that is why you only see western whiteknight fags care about her

>> No.872445

>>866204
But muh they are owned by Sony.

>> No.872477

>>866105
Sony Music is the one who owns shares in them and it's less than 2%, not "partially owning". It's a capital investment ffs.

>> No.872714

>>866087
You aren't supposed to give a reasonable answer in this bait thread anon, save your braincells for a worthy discussion

>> No.872737

>>866204
Buh muh Cover is small company, muh underdog narrative

>> No.873101

>>872381
It's over now for her so it doesn't matter anymore. If it was a male making a mistake like this no one would give a shit but since it's a dumb girl people simp.

But idol culture is kind of fucked up and there is a problem with stalkers and black companies just don't post your thoughts into the public. Infosec 101, I don't know what she was doing.

>> No.873178

>>872381
which is why nips do fanart, because only westerners care. right.

>> No.873220

>>866750
>my rrat is that she had a rrat and so I'm right and reeee
umadbro

>> No.880829

>>872381
>nijifags mad because she said narrative shit about Chitose and niji wihout any evidence and didn't apologize fo it
Ironically, only Nijifag was right for getting mad. And yet they are the one who get blamed altho Holofag and antis also responsible for the harassment.

>> No.881540

>>880829
Yeah, the thing with Aloe is that people in western ONLY blame Nijifag, when actually it was everyone.
She's even dubbed Virtual Voldermoth in Japan along with Meiro and Shio

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