Should anime conventions stop inviting VTubers ?

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Looks like Yagoo's "oversea plan" is starting to crumble

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>>83755955
Not your army

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>stop inviting anime to a anime convention
next you're going to tell me we should ban guns in schools too

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Conventions should start raping OP

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>>83755955
Kill yourself, frognigger.

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>>83756024
Some weebs unironically think that VTubers are not anime so seeing the rise of VTubers legit make them seethe. Like just look at the quotes and replies of OP tweet, they treat us like cancer who is infecting their precious anime cons

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>>83756185
holy kek

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>>83755955
Why would they stop inviting something that's inherently anime in nature? Just because weebs are too retarded to understand this doesn't mean cons don't or they wouldn't be inviting them in the first place.

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20 years ago guys like this were being mocked for watching anime, now they're doing the same thing to vtubers

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>>83755955
Odds of this being one of those ironic anime fans?

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all they did was replace dead panels that drew an audience of 50 with vtubers who fill up their area with 100s.

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>>83755955
Why would anyone care for tranny opinion?

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>>83755955
>genderfluid
Of fucking course.

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>>83755992
fpbp

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>>83755955
>16:21
>Jakarta timezone
It's like a parody at this point

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>>83756448
>>83756185
to play devils advocate, just because something has anime styling doesn't mean it automatically belongs at an anime convention. vtubing may have started as a japanese cultural export but plenty of vtubers are so far removed from it's roots that they're practically a separate existence. before /vt/ this issue had quite a bit of nuance, vtubers didn't belong in /a/ and were relegated to /jp/, but only discussion on japanese vtubers and companies was allowed, western chuubas went to /trash/. when holoEN took off there was a big schism, leading to the /hlg/-/hlgg/ split, eventually /jp/ became so infested with vtuber discussion and spam that /vt/ was created.
tl:dr, "vtubers aren't anime" has significant precedent here and that sentiment will only grow as the industry grows

[Anonymous No.]

Western women singing has nothing to do with Japanese animation

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>>83756835
the fact jakarta sisters still supporting kurosanji after riku abandoned ID is disgusting i swear

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>>83756836
>a seething /jp/ fag
lmao

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>>83756185
I can kind of understand it? Imagine liking Star Trek; you rewatch the originals regularly, you watch every new show, you attend Star Trek conventions.
But for some reason, people streaming while cosplaying Star Trek-esque characters becomes all the rage! People who don't make Star Trek content, some who even proudly proclaim to have never watched Star Trek, get invited to your cons. Suddenly you have conventionally attractive girls running around with cameramen and surrounded by a gaggle of horny dudes at the premises, because she plays Minecraft while dressed as Gralag the Klingon.
The atmosphere shifts because the convention isn't about Star Trek anymore, but about STubers who don't even talk about Star Trek on stream most of the time.

I think that VTubing belongs in the general "anime" category, but I can understand the nay-sayers.

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I think the point being made is that vtubers aren't a replacement for seiyuu, mangaka, or directors. After all what do vtubers know about anime more than the average fan? The only reason that cons like them more and are becoming more prevalent is that they're cheaper, since the organizers dont have to pay for flight and hotel, just the "talent" fee

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>>83755955
did you really just post your own username here, retard?

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>>83757223
and that talent fee is probably MUCH cheaper than someone with actual industry experience, so there's even less of a reason to get someone who actually knows their shit

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vtubers will never be anime, a lot of fags here don't even watch anime, only vtubers, even fucking vtubers don't watch anime, why should they be considered anime? Anime about vtubing is anime, vtubing itself isn't.

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>>83756185
Most of the quote retweets are calling her stupid? I barely see anyone defending her take.

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>>83755992
fpbp. Also OP is a fag.

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>>83756950
not particularly, i only went to /jp/ for vtubers and when /vt/ was created i came here and never looked back. i like vtubers and i like anime but vtubers != anime, they have anime in their DNA and a significant audience overlap but ultimately they're a separate thing. i want to see vtubers at anime conventions but not to the point where they become more important than actual anime there

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>>83756932
sunk cost fallacy.

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>>83755955
About damn time you catalogfags go mask off and be real with your actual goals (Destroying vtubing)

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>>83755955
Won’t work and you’re a faggot.

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>>83756185
vtubers are not anime, especially in west it's mostly just twitchfags and not anime otaku
even on this weeb site, I'm sure most of /vt/ haven't seen more than 100 anime

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>>83756185
How do they feel about Critical Roll being at an anime convention then?

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To be fair I understand why people don't like vtubers in their conventions. The vtuber fandom generally resembles more a mixture Twitter drama enjoyers Pokimane simps than they do anime fans

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>>83757980
*Role

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vtubers have their own section along with everything else, don't cry because they draw bigger crowds than anime shit now

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>>83758000
what kind of retard take is that? the people who actually go to cons are just there to have fun and enjoy what usually amounts to Q&A's and karaoke.

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>>83756836
this is fair. they really are just normies/basic streamers with an anime avatar nowadays. kinda pisses me off how modern chuubas are absolute dogshit at kayfabe and always drop their lore immediately. imo that's what made it a bit anime adjacent and landed it closer to seiyuu territory but this is what happens when you don't gatekeep hard enough.

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>>83756836
I'd understand this if con-goers were /a/ otaku types but most of them are just normalfags who think JJK and Kimetsu no Yaiba are the best anime. They don't really care about anime, they're just there to feel like a "part of the community"

[Anonymous No.]

i think they should stop so they lose money.
and when they lose money they stop doing conventions.
and then hololive could rent the space and do HoloEN mini Expo

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Vtubers at these cons are about as "anime" as RWBY

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>>83758145
exactly. i don't understand why people want to be weebs so badly and eat up whatever seasonal slop comes out but refuse to keep up with or adapt to the general scene. i can't wait for anime to be fucking lame again so these faggots can get the fuck out of my hobby already.

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>>83757980
Or Nostalgia Critic or just name anything geeky. I got my Spoony signature at an anime con back in the day. Not a single Anime Convention is 100% anime/manga. If the con is big enough just skip that shit and check out something else on another wing.

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I wouldn't have a problem with this if it weren't for the fact that 80% of congoers are some of the most casual, shonen obsessed retards in the anime fan community outside of Japan. No fucking way I'll let some retard who only likes DBZ, Naruto, and Cowbot Bebop tell me what should and shouldn't be at a con.

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>>83758107
>this is what happens when you don't gatekeep hard enough.
Good luck gatekeeping anything where amateurs are able to succeed. For an anime to exist you need to deal with suits and studios, if an unwashed NEET can download VTube Studio and OBS one afternoon and become a vtuber then that gate never existed in the first place.

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>>83755955
same people who buy funko pops at anime cons btw

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>>83758107
I'm always interested to hear who qualifies for 'the right kind' of vtubing. When I read posts like this, I can't think of a single girl in HoloEn who doesn't sometimes spend time talking about topics outside what 'anime girl with x background' would ever be talking about.

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>>83758441
They basically just want a vtuber who plays their "character" at all times and never mentions anything about themselves behind the l2d, so just anime but the character interacts with you. Even in Japan this is an extreme minority of them.

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Vtubers aren't anime. They are replacing anime.

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>>83758190
this!

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>>83755955
Twitter fag is a retard for complaining about chuubas at cons, but the argument that vtubing is anime is just downright stupid, It's not even the same genre of entertainment.
Anime is basically just cartoons made in japan, from movies to TV shows and more, often made as adaptations of manga. A form of storytelling from a specific culture.
Vtubing is basically a subgenre of streaming that originated in japan, but doesn't have a specific culture and is seen more as a medium complete with several forms of subgenres like the corp scene, idol scene, twitch indie scene, ASMR, etc. Also not a form of storytelling outside of the occasional stream bits and the old-era videos kinda?
Being from the same place does not make them the same thing, it's like saying Baseball is the same as Boxing cause they're both a professional sport in America.

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>Want to sell your anime you worked on
>Go to anime con to promote it
>Traffic is up this year because someone is dancing around with an anime avatar
>More people pass by your booth
>Most people ignore your booth because they're here for the anime people
>Some people make a mental note of what you had on display
>A few people interact with your booth
It probably doesn't feel good to see a ton of people blow off your booth but any win can be a win if someone notices you.

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>>83755992
fpbp

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>>83758536
That's kinda what I mean though. It's a crazy, unrealistic thing to expect from someone who's fanbase was built on multiple streams a week, 10-40 hours a week, for months into years.

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>>83758780
You can pull it off if you approach from the aspect of being just a VA but I think it completely removes the aspect of vtubers that people feel connected to. Even anime VA do IRL appearances and share personal things about themselves though, so it's a bit silly to except

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>>83756185
It's funny to watch actual con organizers desperately trash this take because chuubas bring money, and inevitably if it grows big enough chuubas will spawn their own separate cons, meaning all that revenue will go away.
Meanwhile the actual tweet has like 30k likes from anime """fans""".
Chuuba haters are like cat haters, you always know they're the worst kind of people.

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Remove vtubers from anime cons. No more leeching off vtubers!

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>>83758107
the discussion about "gatekeeping" was lost the moment Hololive opened EN auditions

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>>83758909
see >>83757223

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I think the argument is irrelevant because these major cons are really the only option vtubers have to set up these IRL events unless someone big starts running a regular vtuber centric con (genuinely surprised cover has jumped on this yet)

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>>83759078
hasn't*
I also know there's that one attempt at a vtuber con but it feels totally amateur hour and seems to focus way more on smaller indie stuff.

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wouldn't it make more sense from a semantic viewpoint that vtubers show up at streamer cons like vidcon instead of an anime convention?

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>>83758017
>bigger crowds than anime
Only schizos who never go outside think this, vtubing is getting pretty big but it's not even anywhere close to the grip anime has on pop culture rn.

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>>83755955
ironic weebs belong in the gas chamber /thread

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>>83759164
???? There are images posted every time they hold events. You can just look at images from these cons and see the crowds of people who gather for karaoke sets or Q&A's. I'm mainly speaking about hololive as far as the west though

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>>83758441
>>83758536
I'm gonna take the example of my dogs because pretty much everyone considers them the queens of kayfabe in EN and teach you what exactly people are expecting.
These two talk about their behind-the-scenes stories a lot of the time, going to the studio with the other girls, hanging out, they even stream offcollabs.
What differentiates them from others is the little things. All the little nods at their character and lore that they insert from time to time.
Using "paws" instead of "hands" for example.
Or going to the "dogtor".
When you hear them talk about going to Akiba Misudo, what comes into your head is their actual doggie forms walking into the store and ordering stuff.
Fans will forgive the occasional slip-up or two as long as you are TRYING.

The other EN girls do refer to their background for lore related stuff or to make jokes, but their casual talk is done with the assumption that you know they are just an actual girl running around the place. If Bae for example said something like "some dude stepped on my tail", her audience would be like
> HAEH !?
for a moment, because in their head, Bae irl is a normal girl and does not actually have a tail.
They can get USED to it ofc, and derive a lot of fun from it, but that little bit of surprise is what separates the "anime girl" types from the skinwalker types.

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>>83759149
honestly yes I agree but to the majority of the mainstream it's all the same flavor of creepy japanese otaku anime shit so good luck convincing a corpo to go to vidcon and not have it be majorly bad optics

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>>83755955
i think if there's genuine proof that cons inviting vtubers means that seiyuus, directors, actual industry people, and stuff like that are no longer being invited and not just "they had a panel for a vtuber, but I wish they had done this instead" then I'd get it. But if you're whining because you were walking down the expo hall and you had to hear a bunch of grown men cheering because FuwaMoco was doing a karaoke thing, you're a bigger loser than the manbabies that watch those two.

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>>83759149
vtubers fit in way more with an anime crowd than what you just suggested which is genuine normalfag central. the ideal scenario is someone launches a proper vtuber convention and they can be their own thing.

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>>83759355
God I would LOVE to see the reactions if vtubers showed up in any force to these shit influencer cons.

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>>83759272
Fuwamoco are also an example of how the novelty wears extremely thin and you filter basically 90% of people. The ones that are left are fiercely loyal but most people find the constant kayfabe shit grating.

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>>83759245
Yeah??? And???
That doesn't mean they're straight up stealing the show at anime cons anon, I've gone to 3 this year alone and 80% are still there for anime related reasons.
That's not even counting the several large cons that don't even hold vtuber events at all. This thread has a strange case of tunnel vision, be happy that vtubing is growing but don't make up bullshit like it taking over anime in the mainstream.

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>>83756185
Have they tried being more popular than vtubers?

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>>83758909
>Chuuba haters are like cat haters, you always know they're the worst kind of people.
Thank you. I always struggled to define such people, but now it becomes clear what they are.

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>>83759567
>Filter
I dunno man, they pick up a lot of the casual crowd and other people who might be looking for something when their Oshi isn't on during primetime hours. I feel like it's more important to be a valuable second pick than it is having a slightly bigger 'core' fanbase, because most EN have the same 2-4k hardcore fanbase that'll show up to ANY stream (like SC readings), so being able to attract more of those secondary viewers is important.

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>>83759149
in terms of genre, yeah, but it's not really the same crowd that goes to that. The most overlap I could really see just going off of who Vidcon "featured" last time is most likely just MatPat. I doubt vtubers and their audience would really fit in a crowd of the people who watch the spoiled tiktok influencers that primarily take up the event.

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>>83759567
They have an insanely huge audience, but all audiences are selective in the content they watch.
The dogs play a ton of debuff shit like old-ass PS/PS2 games, VNs and kusoge.
They also do karaokes which are a lot more popular, but they haven't done any unarchived ones after the first.
I think their JP-leaning tendencies are what filtered most people imo, especially during the huge break.

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>>83759149
Vtubers in the twitch indie scene already do that, I've seen quite a few and twitch and other streamer con.

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>>83759149
lots of vtubers go to twitchcon as they are streamers and lots of them use twitch.

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I think they could solve a lot of these issues by not letting indie coomtuber #2146914 and her pals roam around with ipads all day and instead only invite big corpos

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>>83759604
The overall group for the biggest cons are there just to be there and look around. vtubers are drawing the biggest groups for individual events. it's okay to be wrong.

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>>83757223
>since the organizers dont have to pay for flight and hotel, just the "talent" fee
Not true, vtubers have unique tech requirements to make their appearances possible

I knew a few smaller cons have turned down vtubers because they couldn't afford or weren't prepared for the logistics of hosting one

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>>83756835
>Anime NYC
>Jakarta
???

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>>83759860
it isn't anything that complicated, you would have to be tech inept to turn down vtubers for that reason

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>>83759927
Well judging by all the tech issues that OffKai has had, it apparently isn't so easy

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>>83759961
offkai is about as amateur as you'd get, so like i said already, inept

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>>83756835
>>83756932
It's a white guy you retards, just check the account.

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>>83755955
Less Korean web shitters
Less Kpop
Less Twitchers

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>>83755955
t.ranny

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>>83756185
vtubers are not anime
the spaces are 100% separate now with only a little overlap, especially in the west with shit like vshoujo and fleshtubers that just use the vtuber skin

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>>83758000
As someone who went to AnimeNYC and saw (and unfortunately smelled) what vtuber fans looked like, I regrettably have to agree.

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>>83757930
I'm actually surprised about how little some people in these chats know about otaku culture
the amount of people who had never even heard of white album during the fuwamoco stream was crazy

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>>83758756
Didn't get many sales at the artist alley, anon?

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>>83758145
This.

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>>83755955
t.ranny

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>>83758145
This, the complaints aren't "THIS ISN'T ANIME BECAUSE IT'S JUST STREAMERS WITH AVATARS"
It's an extension of the anti-CGDCT shounentards that think bang bang punchy is the pinnacle of entertainment and adamantly despise the existence of cute girls as if anime would be better without them.
From an otaku perspective it heavily depends on if they cater to the Japanese otaku perspective. No otaku has an issue with idols at an anime con since it's part of the surrounding culture(LL, IM@S, BanDori, Pripara, etc.) much the same has having seiyuu as guests, it's all entwined. So idol styled VTubers are fine. If it's just some twitch whore using an avatar and not attempting to cater to the Japanese culture VTubing originated from then they shouldn't be there since they aren't "anime" or adjacent to the culture.

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>>83758325
Based.

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>>83760252
>especially in the west
imagine giving a shit about the west

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>>83760397
this is about a western con

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>>83760397
this argument is irrelevant for japanese cons since they're either all encompassing or a separate vtuber event

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>>83760293
>white album
that's nothing, I've seen so many people in chats who don't even know shit like Haruhi or Lucky Star

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>>83755955
>less
fewer, unless they want physically smaller vtubers in which case we may be able to work something out

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>>83759853
That's just untrue anon, anime panels, interviews, and reveals steal the show at all these cons. Stop being delusional.

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>>83760416
Yes, and the west is where things go to die.
You either respect the origins or you're irrelevant.
Couldn't give two shits about what westerners that ruined anime, video games and every other otaku hobby have to say about the subject.

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>>83758379
any amateur can enter a hobby and participate in it as long as guides exist, anon. what separates those amateurs is whether or not they give enough of a shit to try improving and delivering a decent product.
>>83758536
not necessarily, every vtuber breaks character. it's bound to happen and it's not a big deal. being a chuuba isn't about acting out a role 24/7, it's about breathing life into the design. hololive figmas and nendos are given accessories based on how the person behind them developed that character- they're blank slates for the most part. to be fair, some corpos fuck it up by giving their gens these bloated themes/lore outlines. at that point, the talents don't really have many options and you can only hope they're entertaining. earlier holo talents like korone had a bit more grace with vaguer lore. though, my initial gripe was with most western indies. it's stupid to build up all sorts of insane bullshit lore only to hop on live and try emulating normie twitch streamers instead. at that point, what the fuck was all that for? >>83759272 gets it. you can tell when a chuuba loves what they're doing and has fun with it.

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>>83755955
Ok but like who are they supposed to invite? Dub voice actors? (笑)

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>>83760293
Have you ever been to a con? Or talked to anyone outside of /a/ (or hell, a half of /a/ at this point)? I'm not gonna lambast someone because they don't know one popular VN ir an anime based on that VN, but most fans are extremely casual fans of stuff like anime and are mostly in it for the asthetic. I go to cons 4-5 times a year and try out a lot of panels for 5-10 minutes on average. A vast majority of them have people who either have the most surface level enjoyment/understand of the topic they have a panel on. Every once in a while I'll find a good panel with a knowledgable host, but for the most part it's just all casual fans. The most impressive panels in the last 6 months I went to were a woman who's been in the anime scene since the 80's and used to produce zines and circulate zines for anime back in the 90's and early 00's, and a VN panel where they started out with 'We won't talk about DDLC'.

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>>83758719
>it's like saying Baseball is the same as Boxing cause they're both a professional sport in America.
I mean, they're both just as boring

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>>83758756
>normally you'd have 50 out of every 10000 check out your booth, so like 150 people per con day
>out of those maybe half buy something
>vtubers bring ~20k new people, so 100 more customers/50 potential buyers
I don't see the problem, honestly

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>>83759078
Cover has their own con in Japan (Anycolor too) because they have enough fans and funds for it. Making one in the west would only help their competitors for no reason, with little to no gain for them. It's the same argument for only making a Holo-centric app/streaming platform and not making a general chuuba one; it doesn't benefit them enough.

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>>83760693
Baseball yeah, but boxing?
Seeing shit like mike tyson bite half of Evander Holyfield's ear off is entertaining as hell

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>>83760692
>VN panel where they started out with 'We won't talk about DDLC'.
Dan Salvato must be kicking himself every night for what he did to VNs in the west, considering how big of actual VN fan he is

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>>83760946
>Dan Salvato must be kicking himself every night for what he did to VNs in the west
Explain

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>>83760692
>The most impressive panels in the last 6 months I went to were a woman who's been in the anime scene since the 80's and used to produce zines and circulate zines for anime back in the 90's and early 00's, and a VN panel where they started out with 'We won't talk about DDLC'.
Godamn what cons?
None of the ones in the midwest ever have anything this interesting.

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why do ironic weebs think vtubers are anime?

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>>83755955
>stop making money, it hurts my feefees

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>>83760986
he hates VNs as I recall so he's probably just happy he got so much money

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>>83755955
>Asking a vtuber board for less vtubers
Anon is not very bright

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>>83760519
You will never be Japanese. You will never learn Japanese

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In addition to >>83759272 I think the chuuba's irl character also plays a role.
Aqua is an irl bocchi, adding that facet to her character. Subaru's bright personality is reflected in her on stream and off stream stories. Mikochi's Pon, Marine and Maturi's lewdness, all of it are "anime character" traits. And when they embody these traits both on-stream and in irl interactions, that's when you fully buy into the setting that these are actual anime girls streaming for you.

There can be dissociations as well. Shiori and Raora for example, cause a huge shock at the beginning when they revealed their voice and the initial impression was that it didn't match their models.
But people can get used to it as long as they have something else anime-sque to attach themselves to.
Shiori has played into the "weird girl" aspect of the goth girl model and kept her character afloat that way.
Raora tries as well, the "god eyes" references from time to time, the catlike behavior + purring etc. are good additions.
Normal streamers can't fucking purr on stream and get away with it, unless they're hot girls showing their cleavage.
But it's accepted as a completely normal thing in the VTuber sphere.

I'm quite sure there are a ton of weirdos in the 2view and indie spaces as well, but they never really embody the sort of "anime girl" personality trait that people expect from this medium. Some of them are blessed to have it naturally, but they often lay it to waste by lecturing or shaming their audience on some irl issue or another, or "set boundaries" and shit which is not something you see in anime.

And that's when the viewer understands that these aren't anime girls, just skinwalkers.
The lack of understanding of this aspect of VTubing in the EN sphere is the reason Hololive is still dominating despite all their slipups and the grim era.

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>>83760946
>considering how big of actual VN fan he is
He's said in several interviews that DDLC was a parody of them, and that VNs are his least favorite form of japanese vidya.
No idea where you got this.

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This is such a dumb take. Before Vtubers took over these cons were fucking filled with Genshin crap.

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>>83760986
>>83761122
I can accept the parody part, you can totally parody something you like, but I've never heard of the least favorite form part, he's a huge Akihafag

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>>83760992
Not him but I think the VN one was the JAST USA panel and it was talking about a lot of games getting banned on Steam and talking about alternate platforms(including their own) also some history about their store front and how it came to be.
Interesting if you want to learn a bit about eroge distribution history in the west.
It's here if you're interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzsbpEeCDqs

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>>83761192
based sacchin hater

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What were these cons before vtubers? Cosplay contests? VA panels? Merch booths?

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>>83755955
If you say this same thing about Genshit and Kshit, then I agree with you.

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>>83755955
>Looks like Yagoo's "oversea plan" is starting to crumble
Why? Because one faggot on twitter is engagement baiting posting their individual response to a survey on twitter? The vtuber fans are going to outspend this retard (I'm just gonna say it, this is you posting your tweet OP, you're a retard).

As long as vtubers bring in con goers, and they spend money they will be at cons, and the bubble hasn't burst yet...

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I don't know about anime conventions in other countries, or really even what they are like in Japan, but as long as the ones in my country give booths to western tumblrina art and softcore porn thots they can also do vtubers

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>>83759149
nah, might as well have your own con like hololive SUPER EXPO

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>>83757012
Garlag is not a Klingon name

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>>83761260
The exact same content minus the VTuber parts. The only thing that's really been added is more singing and the occasional concert. Otherwise nothing's particularly different.

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>>83761190
FUCKING THIS
At least with vtubers you have interactive performances, meet n greets, and such. Gacha sections of cons are always the most soulless shit outside of fan content.
also I have a running theory that MiHoYo and whoever made Blue Archive pays jap artists to make doujins for them at Comiket

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>>83756185
To be fair, EN vtubers are the exact opposite of anime with most of them having no interest or respect for the medium outside of familiarity with some of the most plebeian shit at best, and it's an insult to fans of anime to invite them to a convention. JP vtubers are only anime-adjacent half the time because they are Japanese but some of the major Holos for example are Westaboos. If your interests didn't align with the convention before you became a vtuber, you don't belong.

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>>83761373
>spoiler
You have no idea how right you are. Blue Archive had one of it's heroine's set to have a bunny suit, unlike when Holo's tease an outfit reveal, no one knew this outfit was coming. Suddenly, A DAY EARLY(because someone fucked up timezones) there were a bunch of very out of nowhere pieces of this girl in a bunnysuit all within a very specific time frame(not enough for everyone to draw high quality pieces after seeing one). These were then taken down because they released BEFORE the announcement proving these were paid for commissions from the developers. It's likely that Mihoyo have also done the same.

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>>83760992
Acen had the VN panel. AMKE I think was the one with the zine woman.
It might have been at not-Daisho for the zine woman though.

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>>83761082
I guess that's my problem. Everyone has a different line in the sand, and I'm sure some people would call Kiara a 'skinwalker' because she talks a lot about her life, but also coats some of it in the phoenix stuff. I almost always see people using it as a way to shit on vtubers in the Holo scene that they don't like.

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>>83761032
Sorry ironic weeb, but I can read japanese and I exclusively watch only japanese vtubers. EN whores were and always will be a mistake.

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>>83761190
I'd take most vtubers over any gachashit any day. The only bad experience I've had at a few cons was this guy at the artist alley trying to sell his book and you'd hear his voice blasting through the speakers to anyone walking by.
I don't 100% think it's technically 'anime' if you want to be literal but most of the stuff is Japanese produced and designed which makes me think it fits more than Genshin or whatever shit they're making these days.

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>>83761190
The con scene was basically dead at that point though because of COVID to be fair.
I started going to cons again 2 years ago and only one year was infested with Genshin shitters. Then it was Honkai and soon it will be ZZZ.
Hoyo slop is a much bigger problem to cons than vtubers.

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>>83761715
holy based

[Anonymous No.]

>>83761373
>spoiler
They don't even try to keep it a secret.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83761190
>>83761791
but anon! it's only okay when it's THEIR favorite thing!

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
i don't think they belong there, but you couldn't pay me to visit one of these things even if there were no vtubers

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>>83755955
>posting his own retarded survey answer as proof
Fuck Off

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>>83761791
Lets be fair, how long have you been going to cons?
>2010-2015
>Homestuck massively popular, gray skin and candy corn horns everywhere.
>2015-2018
>Untertale everywhere
>2018-2020
>Kpop boom
There's always been a large chunk of non anime, non Japanese shit that infest cons.

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>>83756185
So this was how bronies felt back then.

[Anonymous No.]

I just really don't like how a lot of the English speaking anime fanbase are shounenslop faggots or hyper casuals, so the more chuubas filter them, the better.

[Anonymous No.]

Check the account. OP is a genderfluid faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
>NOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T HAVE *popular trend* AT A POP CULTURE CONVENTION!

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>>83761791
>The con scene was basically dead at that point though because of COVID to be fair.
I kind of disagree. In terms of Artist Alley and cosplay variety, it was dead because it was only Genshin. But the second big cons were back, even with masks. They were flooded. A lot of FOMO, being locked up for about 2 years, and tiktok kids living vicariously through dancing cosplay videos all put together made that shit boom.
>>83762090
Gets it. Anime cons will always have western shit in it, though mostly anime inspired or at least eastern with the kpop shit. In about 3-5 years the hype will by taken over by something else. I've never been to a Japanese convention in my life but I'd be willing to bet there's a decent amount of vtubing stuff there as well.

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Lots of people watch vtubers as a replacement for anime but I honestly don't get it.
They were never a replacement for me, they were always much cuter streamers that half way play a character but it's mostly themselves turned up to 11. Then again, half of the EN sphere are just e-girls with an anime avatar nowadays
I don't know if I'd consider them anime in the traditional sense but it's definitely a branch off of anime. It's still very new and no one knows what it'll be 5 years from now. For all we know, it could just end up as the next bronies.

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>>83759118
offkai?

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I wish they'd pour this much energy into keeping those ugly funko pops away from cons

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>>83755955
Anime cons would be dead post covid if they didn't invite Vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83758107
>they really are just normies/basic streamers with an anime avatar nowadays.
Gonna stop you right there, chief.
They were always sexhaving normies, even the JP originals. They just allowed the mask to slip over time because nobody can keep up that bullshit for long. It's exhausting and real people with real problems are more relatable.

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>>83762241
It's funny to see just how much vtuber stuff started popping up in the artist alley. I always say and personally use the aa as a teller of what's popular with the casual crowd, because those people live and die selling their fanmerch, meaning they won't make much or any of things that are not at least somewhat popular. Vtuber stuff was pretty low in late 2021, but it's probably in a quarter of the aa booths now.

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>>83755955
This is extremely ironic when this guy is an Uma Musume cosplayer.

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>>83762096
Not the best comparison considering bronies are dead now.

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>>83762403
Nothing's big forever. Except Pokemon.

[Anonymous No.]

Blame it on the Japanese anime studios for having their work outsourced to China during Covid. Studio closures due to the harsh lockdowns gave into the lack of production which to lead no constant anime, thus gave rise to Vtubers as an alternative entertainment.

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>>83755955
Anime conventions will keep inviting vtubers because:
1) Cons were experiencing dwindling attendance even before covid, vtuber fans are currently a more loyal fanbase then other anime fans and will travel to cons more.
2) You don't have to pay for flights and hotel rooms for vtubers.

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>>83762427
That's true. It makes me worried about vtubing though. Sometimes it feels like it's going to be another "bigger they are, harder they fall" situation.
It'll probably never die but I can't see it lasting like this in levels of popularity forever. It's just a question on whether it'll just go back to being underground again or crash hard and be known as 2.0 bronies.

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>>83762766
We may be currently in the peak of its popularity but I don't think it will ever go down so much you'd never see it again at conventions or even die down enough any time soon that concerts stop happening for the idol vtubing corps.

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>>83756185
To be honest they are not wrong. All the western vtubers are grifting twitch whores and jump in the vtuber bandwagon to make some money out of weebs.

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>>83755955
Anime conventions have been inviting guests that have not much to do with anime since time immemorial. Game devs, musicians, idols, you name it. Throwing a hissyfit because of vtubers when it's part of the otaku subculture all the same just shows that the retard complaining has the IQ of a broccoli.

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>>83755955
No they allowed fucking homestuck and mlp. They'll allow chuubas.

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>>83761604
WTF those are the 2 cons within reach for me lol. Must have missed those panels in particular, I'll pay more attention next time thanks.

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>>83762264
At the end of the day it's all entertainment, but live streams are more engaging at that.
For me, just like streaming supplanted traditional TV in 2010, VTubers did supplant anime in 2020.

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>>83760992
> a woman who's been in the anime scene since the 80's and used to produce zines and circulate zines for anime back in the 90's and early 00's
I fucking kneel

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>>83763504
>just like streaming supplanted traditional TV in 2010
Streaming did like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc. Livestreaming in the sense of twitch did not. Especially in the 2010s. If you mention some of the top streamers to most people, they won't have a clue who they are. But streamers will ALWAYS be doomed to be B list celebs at best.
>VTubers did supplant anime in 2020.
Too early to say. Vtubing is still very young. It could end up being massive in 5 years or as flat as Homestuck in 5 years.
>>83763096
I don't think vtubing will ever die but I think vtubing as we know it will eventually cease to exist. Just like how Kizuna Ai's prerecorded skits aren't the meta anymore (unless it's shorts), eventually the current format will be replaced by something else. I don't know what though. Which is why I say the industry is too young to make any bold predictions.

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>>83758719
Vtubers use anime avatars.

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>>83756451
>being mocked
No 20 years ago they were the ones mocking people who enjoyed anime. Now they've infected the hobby and are doing the same to vtubers.

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>>83755955
I'm cool with anime-adjacent shit at the anime con. I'm less cool with it if it pushes the actual anime out of the way. If you want to make anime secondary to vtubers then rebrand so we know what to expect. Otherwise, stfu and enjoy the convention you mongs.

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>>83755955
I agree because most vtubers are some of the most basic bitch e-thots behind anime avatars that dont know shit about the culture.
One of them literally didnt know what is Ghibli Studios when some fans mentioned it at the con in London (talent was from the US, the fans were English).

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>>83755955
>>83756185
They are perfectly right because of what anon said, many vtubers are completely detached from anime and are just virtual whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83756185
...are you retarded? vtubers most certainly are not anime. they are a separate category entirely.

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>>83763408
AnimeNYC is not your local con in flyoverville.

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>>83764794
When you consider there are many vtubers out there that legitimately barely know anything about anime but are an anime girl and they get paid for existing, this is more true than it should be.

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>>83764781
Who were they?
I can't think of a single vtuber who doesn't know what the Disney of Japan is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
/vt/ might cope but they have more in common with ethot twitch streamer culture than anime culture

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>>83756185
and they're absolutely right

[Anonymous No.]

>>83762403
And so will be vtubers. Bronies died because she show ended/died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83765146
>anime girls are not anime culture
Retard

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>>83760519
>westerners
americans*

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>>83756878
Mori literally performed an anime theme and had a tie-up with One Piece.

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>>83755955
I don't wanna hear shitty con news every other week
make it stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>83765354
whores posing as anime girls to scam ronery incels aren't anime culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>83757012
You just described what anime cons are to artist cons in Japan.

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>>83755955
So they're fine with retarded ass Fleshtubers that have no clue about Anime being invited as guests, but the line is drawn at VTubers?
Hilarious.

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>>83765234
Well it did almost happen once. Vtubers were on the rise in 2017. But once the Kizuna clone shit happened and she disappeared from her regularly videos for a while, the momentum was pretty much stopped at that point. Wasn't still late 2019 that it started kicking off again.
The fact that most don't remember that means this new wave hasn't had their Metallica Load moment yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83765527
e-celebs don't belong

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>>83755955
>>83756185
Same faggot in the pic and you are falling for it. When this board will have IP tracking we will all have a laugh at these moronic attempts to stir twatter posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83765527
The thing is these fleshtubers don't completely fill the guest list.

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>>83755955
Meanwhile, from a guy who actually took part in organizing anime cons before
https://x.com/GuardConvoy/status/1827873247917920634

[Anonymous No.]

>>83760519
YWNBJ

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>>83760021
>>83759876
OP, the person who took the screenshot, you inbred mongoloids.

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>>83759272
>Fans will forgive the occasional slip-up or two as long as you are TRYING.
No they don't anon. Dont you know, Vtubers are supposed to put up Oscar worthy performances, and be inhumanly consistent about their own lore even more than fiction authors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
Whim was right

[Anonymous No.]

How about less Chinese gacha shit next time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83766578
the bugs are too good at stealing good designs for that to happen

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>>83755955
>Should anime conventions stop inviting VTubers ?
yes please. They should be streaming, not getting plapped at cons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83764645
Pretty much this. Some years ago I saw a low life with an anime shirt. The same kind of low life that bullied me for reading "chinese crap". Or just reading at all. I don't like gatekeeping, but after that... I understand now.

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>>83755955
What does JP think of removing vtubers?

Hololive is getting its own anime and has done covers and cameo appearances already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4NUpLTbSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1L4hOuty7k

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
What level of retard is required to post this shit here with your social media account?

[Anonymous No.]

V-tubers belong to the otaku culture and anime normies seething about it because there's no JJK or any shonenshit should be celebrated, fuck those motherfuckers for ruining anime discussion with "le epic sakuga" and "muh serious shows" when all the serious shit they read or saw was Chainsaw Man. No discussion about Shin Sekai Yori, Made in Abyss (oh no pedo bait bla bla bla), Psycho Pass, or even cute sol shit, in fact, big up to the Fatefags for at least caring about the stuff they love.

I know some indies are just e-thots pretending to love anime to belong somewhere and beg for attention, but that is a thing in the anime community for years, you can see the big female population reading, guess what, shonen shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83761082
Hmm
What "anime boy" would you advise to be a male chuuba? What are the notable types aside from
> fujo bait ID2434

[Anonymous No.]

i love hololive and i don't watching anime at all

[Anonymous No.]

vtubers should be allowed at anime conventions because 10 fucking years ago there was dr who shit at anime conventions. at least vtubers have an anime style

[Anonymous No.]

>>83758441
>in HoloEn
Yes? Exactly. These complaints are about a much older trend, when streaming first became popular in the vtubing sphere to begin with. HoloEN is just one example of the ruin that has come to our estate.

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>>83767811
The past 5 years have been terrible for the anime fandom, you'd think the next generation would have an easier time adapting since this stuff is easily available now compared to when we had to rent anime like Kishin Corps or El Hazard from small mom and pops video stores or even the torrent era where you had to be in the know of what fansub groups were uploading when DBZ was on tv. Guess the puritanical brainwash is just too strong to overcome.

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>>83757509
Vtubers should be more important than anime at conventions. Anime is dead and nothing good has come out in like 15 years. Vtubers, on the other hand, can provide live concert experiences and many more exciting events that let you directly interact with the vtubers. It's a superior entertainment medium to dying anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83767811
where are you hanging out that people only talk about jump adaptations

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>>83768727

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>>83755955
INVITE HOLOLIVE FEMALE VTUBERS ONLY! The rest can go to hell.
>>83756185
I refuse to call e-thot trash like vshojo "anime". Same goes for all of NijiEN and Phase.
>>83758301
Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83768760
Latam

[Anonymous No.]

I assure you that anime being garbage is not an obscure take. Plenty of people feel that way. That is why anime conventions were dying before vtubers gave them a lifeline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
>Anime fags feeling disenfranchised
Good, anime is garbage and anime fans are garbage too. One look at twitter will confirm all of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83768889
There has been plenty of good anime in the last 5 years, the thing is that nobody talk about them because at that time people just saw Kimetsu no Yaiba, JJK and more, actually this is worse than you think that people actually take recommendations from Gigguk and other stupid "anime experts" and THEN watch a show. People don't bother anymore going to the anichart to see if a show it's interesting or not, then you have studio simps like Mappafags thinking they will do something amazing when the last good show of them was Sakamachi no Apollon 10 years ago.

Also it doens't help that western weebs are among the worst fan ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83768815
...you were there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769082
It blows me away how few people look at the seasonal list and instead go to whatever streaming platform they use and just look at the 'for you new' page under anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769112
ずっと

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>>83755955
if we cant go back to the pre crunchy roll era and all the faggots it brought in, they can't dictate terms either

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769082
Zombieland Sage, Idaten, and Sarazanmai were all this decade and good
there's probably a few more I'm not thinking of

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769209
Crunchyroll has been around forever, they aren't the issue. The issue is that during COVID people binged whatever shonen battle shows were on Netflix, Hulu, etc. and those people make up a large part of the anime fanbase now. That is why there was such a massive change and that is why it is trash now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83762264
Not anime entirely, but I've found that I have completely stopped watching slice of life genre, at least the ones without romance.
VTubers fill in for that type of entertainment insanely well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769156
It's all about "the popular show" not matter it's garbage or actually good, people like Demo-senpai were so right when they called out this shit with Umaru-chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769282
>around forever
sorry, i forgot how much time passes without noticing

[Anonymous No.]

>>83755955
fuck yagoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769314
kirara magazine still makes the peak of entertainment
you are missing out

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>>83769282
Apperently you haven't been going to cons long. I guess if you're talking random retard on the street wearing a JJK shirt, sure that kinda was a late 10's thing, but you could see a heavy shift in the early 10's in the anime community when you started to get easy access to streaming (especially on your phone) anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769314
I simply can't relate. If I wanted to watch Bocchi The Rock for example, that fills that level of entertainment for me differently than a stream with Bae or whatever. It's just not the same thing for me and never will be. Not saying one is better than the other, they're just different for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769260
Kemorikusa
Kemono Friends
Gridman & Dynazemon
LWA
YoriMoi
Psycho Pass
Sakasama no Patema
Fucking All Yuasa Animes last decade
Shirobako
Rakugo Shinjuu (Fuck Kaguya for overshadowing this show)
Luluco
3-Gatsu no Lion (Season 2 it's peak)
Super Cub

and the list goes on

[Anonymous No.]

I think having every corporate vtuber listed / announced as separate guests when each company is bringing a troupe clogs up the guest list, but as someone who went to ANYC for the vtuber stuff I'm glad these things are happening. It's clearly been successful for the con so I doubt it's going away as long as they have momentum. The bigger cons just need to balance the guest list and main events so it's not like half vtubers.

I'd like to see more JP industry guests and performers brought to the US too, but with all the US visa issues and fees I think we're more likely to see Canadian cons fill the gap in that area in North America for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769498
More talents should watch anime with their fans...

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769592
Mappa didn't do those

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769498
Bocchi is the best anime since the days of K-on/Lucky Star. Absolute masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83756501
Worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>83756185
yeah, anime has become too mainstream and now vtubers hold the weird niche subculture that used to be anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769702
>vtubers
>niche

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769660
I misread saying that was not good anime the last decade, but yeah Sarazanmai was good too gay but good nonetheless, Zombieland Saga was ok, Mappa is just an ok studio, they have a lot of potential that makes everything go to waste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769690
post-irony was a mistake

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>>83768044
You will never be anime. You have no talent, you have no ideals, you have no depth. You are a Twitch thot twisted by attention and sociopathy into a crude mockery of artists' perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “fans” laugh at your IRL appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out thots with incredible efficiency. Even vtubers who “pass as idols” are uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your PL is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a horny simp in your chat, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your homocollab.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll make a mistake on stream, get cancelled, announce your graduation, and return to fleshstreaming. Your simps will walk away, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to pretend you're seiso. They’ll dedicate one final thread to your made-up name, and every archive passerby for the rest of eternity will know you were a thot. Your model will age poorly and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy are clips of you acting like the thot you always were.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769837
holy projection batman

[Anonymous No.]

Anime sucks. I'm glad vtubers are making anime an obsolete entertainment medium. There is literally no need for anime anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769837
did you even read my post

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769626
Subaru has anime watchalongs at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769942
not really, it's mostly about Japanese Stagnation in general, no wonder chinese gachas are WAY better than anything in the JP market right now, even big step fowards like Magia Record Exedra still lacks many features and the most important is making an EN release AND BLOCKING THE GAME ALL AROUND THE WORLD because fuck you, they still can't understand the concept of global release. Instead you have Kuro Games and Mihoyo just dancing in money with whales around the world.

V-tubers are the last straw of that japanese charm, after that, they have nothing until they actually give us something new. And is not good that Nijisaji dropped the ball hard in the west, Japan Foundation is fucking angry at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770071
Kiara had her Monogari watchalongs in members and FuwaMoco had School Days and Kanon. I loved all of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770235
chinese gacha are the most derivative shit in existence I have no idea what you meant by this
I dropped genshin after seeing stories I've seen before with different characters for nth time

[Anonymous No.]

>>83767857
I'm not the audience for male chuubas so idk if I can answer that.
From the pattern of what type of virtual male talents find success, it seems to be males-only idol environments with bishie guys just hanging out with their buddies and "platonically" throwing yaoi-bait hints from time to time.

Pic rel has some advice from women (both fujos and yumes) in an old thread that was made during the peak of Luxiem (>>21561354).

Honestly, reading about this stuff, I kinda get why male VTubers fail so utterly no matter how much they try.
Women are somehow able to handle being cute with each other and even giving some fanservice moments, but I have yet to see a male chuuba who would not cringe at some of the shit their fanbase does.
I do get that it's fetishist and that it's not real, but when you (or the character representing you) is getting their ass blown open, there is definitely some part of you that will come to HATE your audience. Which would explain all the niji males who have lashed out at their audience for shipping and posting ships and shipping porn on their fanart tags.
I also get why Suisei doesn't like looking at her own lewds now.

Maybe there's some male equivalent of Kanata or Marine, men with female brains, where they have that natural inclination to do cute and lewd things with their fellow man.
Although I struggle to find a situation where it wouldn't be ultra weird to both parties.

I guess male VTubing might be kinda doomed...

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770324
The thing that made me switch off of all of those Hoyo gachas is when they would go to China Hyrule in Genshin and Space China in Star Rail and it would be the more boring word salad shit in the world and it's very obvious it's their favorite because they keep going back there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770324
>Playing genshin for the story
are you ok bro? it's like playing Dead or Alive for the deep content

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770505
>playing genshin for the gameplay
just play Devil May Cry dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769592
if a chuuba fucks with revue starlight I know they're good

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770469
Mihoyoverse is boring as fuck, more news at 9. Kuro game with WuWa and Punished Gray seems more interesting, now if you want the god of gacha story, Girls Frontline my man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83770547
That's Reine, she did a watchalong and was making fanfics during that, kino stream.

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>>83770547
I've yet to find a chuuba really into the arthouse anime stuff like revue and Ikuhara's works
and if they are they stop at anime and don't know anything about regular cinema
There's not many good VN reader vtubers anymore either
Rurumi was good but now she posts images of her stomach on twitter and doesn't stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769282
i remember when i used get my anime from 4chan and the fansubs

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769690

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>>83770639
I would've watched that if it wasn't member stuff
speaking of, pikamee's GuP was really fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>83769498
Bocchi isn't exactly "slice of life" anon, I watched that show while in my VTubing peak.
I'm talking about shows like Yuru camp, Kiniro Mosaic, Blend-S, Barakamon, Takagi san etc.
There's a ton of old slice of life series which I used to religiously watch that I've stopped watching completely after watching VTubers.
>>83769434
> manga
I have like 25+ in my list and it's not dying down anytime soon anon, so I'm limiting myself to only completed works (with a decent ending).

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>>83770591
WuWa's gameplay is great and the models actually look different from each other and don't like a copy and paste job but it's problem is that it had shit writing in the beginning and got too wrapped up in world building.

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>>83768727
this but unironically
at least vtubers like anime unlike most people who work in the industry these days

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>>83755955
No? Just because some people don't want it doesn't mean all people don't. The turnout of vtuber fans was impressive. But vtuber guests are 100% a fucking cop out and these cons need to apply themselves. Too easy money for them I guess.

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>>83770672
There was one pair who played a wide variety of VN
You also have FuwaMoco, but the corpo restrictions and need to not dumpster their channel for their own personal enjoyment stop them from going ham.
Also while not full-on VN, Reine plays a TON of VN-like games.

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>>83758756
you are talking like you've never been to a con before.

you're nuts. anything that brings people to artist alley/vender row is a good thing.

thats how cons work. you want people to buy your shit make shit that people want to buy. furthermore, make a spectical. You want to see which booths get swamped? it's the ones who are drawing a crowd and getting a laugh. Get a sexy cosplayer to wear something related to your art to pimp out your booth. that will bring in people much quicker then ranting about vtubers on twitter/4chan/reddit

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>>83770980
>Vtuber guests are a cop out
Vtuber guests are bigger deals, more popular, and more famous than some shitty manga artist/anime producer from a show 20 years ago that nobody watched.

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>>83758756
Skill issue. You can't force people to care about your shit.

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>>83767966
You don't English either

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>>83771061
I always love the booths where you can see them drawing all the casual popular ship, but then they have one piece from an unpopular show or old show that you know they personally fell in love with. I know I bought two Chobits prints that were ok purely based on knowing the artists who made them watched it recently for the first time or nostalgia and re/fell in love with it.

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>>83770980
Western anime con should be more pro-active of instead of waiting to bring EN VA for example that nobody gives a fucking shit, they should actually bring JP VA, imagine having Aoi Yuuki, Saori Hayami or HanaKana instead of some guy that destroyed the character with bullshit localization. Like, really, Aoi Yuuki herself move more people than many cons.

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>>83770863
If we're going to be extremely specific about it then, anime like GochiUsa, GJ-bu, Dragon Maid and Yuyushiki will always be different to a vtuber stream. It will just never be the same to me

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>>83771504
>imagine having Aoi Yuuki, Saori Hayami or HanaKan
They can't speak English, and it costs to arrange an interpretor

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Isn't ironic that v-tubing did more for the popularization of idol culture than 15 years of larpers trying to get people into Idolmaster and Love Live?

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>>83771504
The difference is that bringing JP vas means they have to pay for all their expenses and travel costs to the US, that why they settle for english vas that they can get for barely any money.

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>>83771655
what are you talking about love live was huge in the west
im@s never tried

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>>83771644
Yes, and?

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>>83771731
It was big, but never moved people to actually do idol shit in cons, now it became visible at least

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>>83771741
Covid likely set anime cons back years. I'm sure they're recouping money by now so hopefully going forward they actually bring over JP talent but once again with how easy it is to just host vtubers there's not really a pressing need.

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>>83771806
there have been love live fan dances at western cons since love live came out
or are you meaning something else

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>>83769690
This is like when (((those))) people say that we should discriminate against "them" and that minorities are superior or whatever.

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>>83771868
dances yes, but i mean idol fans anon, guys going like have you seen in the Holo EN Concerts or even where Mint goes. You might see some of them but it was a small group, not what it's now.

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>>83771982
there have been idol concerts at bigger western cons for years now anon
both love live and im@s included
penlights and everything

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>>83772123
I haven't see them at all then, and that still stick to my point how now is more popular

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>>83771235
I've always been drawn to booths who make an effort to stand out. The ones with the cosplayers or some sort of interactive "event" like a q&a or some sort of portrait thing where they do anime avatars in like a chibi form or something of visitors or the ones who have some sort of entertainment going through the artist row to drag attention to their booth.

Those are the booths that grab my attention and stand out. and yeah, like you, i like the ones who have their passion projects on display, even if its not currently popular.

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>>83772123

The peak for US idol culture before Vtubers was most likely Anime World Matsuri idol show at AX in 2017. Of course other LL concerts did well too, but it's hard to say if LL has the same pull now as it did back then. Even the small cosplay group/masquerade events seem to do a lot of Project Sekai stuff now.

But the Hololive BD ticket queue jumping up to like 15k instantly makes me wonder how big of a venue they can fill in the US.

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>>83772123
Going to those is how you could have had a chance to chit chat a lot with some popular vtubers before they hit it big.
I'm still really happy I got a VN pitched to me by a cute girl at a certain VN localizer's table.

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>>83771147
hes not complaining, pretty sure he's saying its a good thing since more traffic = more potential customers. even if more of that traffic doesnt care about your stuff initially

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>>83756185
Some unironic weebs think western women using a cartoon avatar makes it anime.
These people also consider avatar to be anime.

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>>83760252
Most western vtubers don't even like anime anyway
>I like most common well known thing ever, I can't tell you about it because I never watched it but I can say it's name to pretend I'm into anime

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>>83756185
I kinda get it, its like going to a medieval times and seeing fat ass basement dwellers show up in dnd costumes.

While some vtubers maintain anime as a core part of their personality, vtubing itself has slowly been infected by tourists with no genuine interest in otaku culture.

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>>83773448
seeing their corporate mandated list of favorite anime/games at debut is always something
and then they proceed to never talk about any of it

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>>83758441
Kizuna Ai sparked the trend and showed the exact kind of vtubing that it should be.
Keep the kayfabe, become the character. That's what people wanted.
Now it's just titty streamers using 2D avatars because they have tiny tits.

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>>83773538
The ones that actually do mention their anime likes always end up showing how old they are too, because most of them haven't actually watched anime since 90's~early 2000s cartoon network stuff that casuals saw.
There's exceptions, but this makes up like 90% of western vtubers.
The games list is more FOTM, corpo ones throw a couple of the managers favorites in to make the list look more organic.

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>>83760252
Vshojo is more anime than what this board dictates as vtubing. /vt/ thinks cgcdt is the only valid form of vtubing, which is a single genre of anime when the medium is extremely broad.

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>>83756788
lol can't make this shit up

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>>83773757
Is there even a single popular CGDCT anime that would meet unicorn standards? K-On, Lucky Star, Nichijou, all of these have male characters. The Love Live anime I guess?

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>>83759567
They broke the record for 3D showcase lol.

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>>83773538
It's basically the equivelant of that one girl at work who tells you she loves anime too, you ask what she watches and proceeds to say Sailor Moon, Pokemon and Avatar The Last Airbender.
A level up from that is the most entry level shit like JJK, Demon Slayer and Chainsaw Man.

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>>83755955
Some weeb doesn't like vtubers? Who gives a SHIT!!!

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>>83771504
I think it's funny to see all the activism panels, hosted by some random fag unrelated to otaku culture, disappear as of late.

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>>83777204
Because the grift to the left isn't cool anymore.
Now it's all about grifting to the right. At least that's where the pendulum is swinging.

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>>83755955
fewer, retard.

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>>83778149
True to a certain extent. From what I've seen though, it remains on twitter. I do wonder if this manifests in a similar way to those activism con panels.

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Chuuba fans are the modern day MLP fans

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>>83770393
This right here is why vtubing will never be anime, only a bastardized version of a single genre of anime. It also doesn't do any favors to the argument that the point of vtubing is just virtual ethots/eboys rather than a genuine form of entertainment.

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>>83755955
yes, let them go bankrupt like E3

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>>83755955
I actually agree with this sentiment. I don't go to cons myself but I would want them to be focused on the original subject matter. Vtubers are anime-adjacent, but they're not anime.
Even worse is seeing people cosplay as non-anime shit like Marvel characters.

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>>83756024
You'd be surprised, a prevailing mindset these days is being into anime and then saying every two seconds that you hate anything anime related.
But that is the natural thing for the weak minded geeks to do, go against their own to appeal to others. Its sad.

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>>83758756
So if vtubers didn't exist all the vtuber fans would be replaced 1:1 with anime fans who would totally buy your stuff? That's not how it works. That's the same logic as every pirated copy is a lost sale.

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>>83780886
My guy, cons are literally nerd havens and have been since forever. Where did you think you found stuff about anime before anime conventions? Comic stores and conventions! There is no need to seperate the two.

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I think OP is dumb for even humoring a literal who on twitter but I do see some good points being brought up. Cover can and should host their own mini expo like they do for Fes. They would absolutely sell out of tickets and I can see artist paying high as fuck fees just to have a fan booth.

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>>83782497
The tweet had 25k likes when I saw it.

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>>83755955
Maybe modern anime should stop being so shit so people want to see more of it? I used to love anime and post on /a/ and /jp/ and eventually modern anime just kept getting shittier and shittier and I moved onto vtubers (the og ones likw Kaguya Luna and Ai) and eventually into the OG nijisanji girls before Niji was a shitshow, and then eventually into Hololive in 2019.
Vtubing has become a huge thing with its own issues but 90% of anime is still shit so I haven't gone back for the most part.

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>>83755955
I don't get why vtubers appear in anime conventions. It's supposed to be about anime, not e-celebs with an animated avatar.

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>>83755992
fpbp

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>>83756185
>just look at the quotes and replies of OP tweet
geez you are saying OP tweet who hates vtuber also has vtuber haters replying his post ?! that's insane!

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>>83774083
cdgt doesn't mean you will have zero males, retard. they have father and brother and neighbors. even hololive where unicuck mostly resides, they have yagoo and professional seiyuu as their guests. CGDCT true meaning has been derived from the actual shit thanks to vshitjo orbiter especially connor. stupid if you think about it vshojo hired male, despite having shojo as their brand name.

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>>83784600
>stupid if you think about it vshojo hired male, despite having shojo as their brand name.
Not even shoujo (female minor) but shojo (female virgin). Their branding in JP is pretty confused.

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>>83756347
you deserve to be mocked when your 2 famous entumors are retarded (irl) mascot dogs

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>NOOO I AM NOT GIGGLING WHEN VTUMOR IS SHAKING KEYS AT ME NOOOO

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>>83780423
I will never buy this statement. The scars left by MLP may become faded, but they will never fully disappear.