/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

i need someone with actual business knowhow and experience whether or not going public is actually good or bad for the company's soul.

armchair experts, fuck off

[Employee No.]

>>83492977
Cover is doing just fine, especially compared to the competition.

[Anonymous No.]

going public always kills the soul 100% of the time
its usually good for the company though, if you need the investment money your options are either going public or holding company, and a holding company is literally a contract with the devil. He might not come calling today, but he will come calling and you will always regret the deal in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
>Totally organic 10th thread about this today
Fuck off bvtm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83493240
spbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
then why are you asking here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Going public is great for initial investors and all the salaried employees who were being regular salary and stock as bonuses when the corpo was private since they become multimillion dollar asset holders overnight. But for the actual employees that join after? You got a good 5 years at most of things being okay for everyone before it starts going down the shitter hard. You'll be lucky if they even exist in 7 years later and aren't bought out or go bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Bad, your expectations and passion get churned into the expectations of others who are likely just in it until they can get out at the top replaced by another entity that does the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>OP wants no armchair opinions
>gets only armchair opinions

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Look into Dell, they went from public to private in 2013 then back to public in 2018, should be able to find statements from the CEO and analysts explaining the decision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83493848
No, anon didn't want armchair experts. I'm an armchair beginner and I think going public is good to raise lots of money fast but probably bad for the company's soul.

[Anonymous No.]

>going public is actually good or bad
Depends. There's a lot of things involved like need to raise more capital to expand the business.
>company's soul
There's no soul in Mamon domain.

[Anonymous No.]

nobody talk about the prestige of public company
>no one /here/ know shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>83494944
I don't give a shit about corpo prestige, I just want my oshi to live a healthy and comfy life while streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83495010
So you click on this thread to discuss something or just to throw shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Its absolutely, without a doubt, always bad. You are allowing ANYONE with money to become the master of your company. (((Anyone))). Eventually the company will be hollowed out so that these shapeshifters can puppet its fucking corpse, and pretend that its still Hololive on the inside. Once (((they’re))) in control they can begin to affect change on the culture of Japan - before you say I’m schizo, look up which big-shot anime/game companies in Japan have WEF & IMF members at the top, and read the mission statement associated with them. You will not be surprised, but your eyes may open further, fren.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
It's bad and anyone claiming that "yagoo is a good guy who will just make the company private again if it gets too bad!" is a lying coper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83495437
>>83495459
Cover was never 100% owned by yagoo you imbecile. at this point they can either go public so a small number of shareholders can cash out and the shares scatter to the 1000-10000 small shareholders in the public or yagoo with only 38% share get out vote and the company get sold so they can cash out.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: zero understanding of business ownership.

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>>83496347
>Cover was never 100% owned by yagoo you imbecile.
When did I ever claim it was? I literally just called the faggots who claim Yagoo can make the company go private out of the goodness of his heart at any moment liars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Good for you because based on every comment that shows up about Nijisanji, 99% of this board is composed by economics and management experts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Going public always kills the soul of the company. But it also is the only way many companies can even function. It's a devil's deal, you sell your company's soul for sustenance. If it doesn't kill the soul of the company, then it's more than likely that that company was a white-collar grift enterprise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83495437
Based. I fear Japan won't look at the rest of the world before trusting the internationals with their entire country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
It has been a steady downhill ride ever since they went public. The good times of 2020-2021 will never come back because they decided to sell their soul for money.
The only positive thing is most of the girls joined for the money so they're unlikely to pull an Aqua.

[Anonymous No.]

Going public is great for shareholders and bad for everyone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co
Hope this helps
>b-but it's a Japanese company
The stock market is a jewish ponzi scheme anywhere in the world, the rules are the same

[Anonymous No.]

What‘s with all the nijiprojection in this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83498134
because the one moral force stopping cover from going kurosanji owns 30% of the company's shares. he's voted out, it's kurolive or bust

[Anonymous No.]

>>83493240
spbp
They probably could just stream and merch and base their growth on revenue, but zaibatsu mentality so they need to constantly grow, ending up playing morons for retarded sharebros with zero loyalty and looking only when to sell to make profit or wanting to be paud and served for existing.

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>>83493848
This is 4chan. If you want a "real" opinion go find some overpaid consultant.

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>>83494944
>prestige of public company
What prestige, having retarded with money and zero experience telling you wha tto do? I swear japanese mentality is retarded as fuck, no wonder asians ar ein decline everywhere, proof darwin was right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83493848
>Want an exper opinion
>Post on 4chan
When it has become popular to announce to the world “I’m a new fag and retarded, what a massive faggot I am”?

[Anonymous No.]

MBA student here ama

[Anonymous No.]

Soul is when a company makes decisions I like and I can craft a narrative around it.

No/Bad Soul is when a company makes decisions I dislike and I can craft a narrative around it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are we talking about this when it's been a year or more that Cover has already gone partial public? The decision to go public was either they sell it to someone who does not care at all about Vtubing and was going to run the whole thing to the ground, or go partially public and make sure they still own everything. Which they do. It has been doing wonders for them with all their expansions and shit so why are people complaining now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83499590
this is an anonymous discussion board
people can ask questions or discuss anything they want as long as they don't break site rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Good:
>more money for projects

Bad:
>responsibility towards shareholders to generate profits every quarter, even if you make investments for the future you still need to deliver right now
>shareholders have a say in internal affairs like the direction the company is headed, if the growth isn't there they might decide to call a vote and if given a large enough majority can overrule the CEO/Cover itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>83499664
Nah I just found out why. Basically this place was able to perpetuate a lie on Twitter while also removing lots of context from different videos of Hololive talents talking about it. Turns out all the videos were them talking how happy they were in Hololive but the tweets were removed those out to push /vt/'s agenda.

Damn you guys are good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
I might not have any business knowhow and experience but I can tell you that "soul" doesn't earn money

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>>83493240
pretty much this. the larger your organization the importance of liquid assets via marketable securities. like in all things the smaller a venture the more easier it is to steer as a one man's operation / vision. once it becomes a board things that change can fuck up the original soul badly. It is just the nature of commercial expansion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83499675
>Good:
>more money for projects
Couple more mil sunk into holo earth
Yay

[Anonymous No.]

>>83500024
No no no you don't get it, HoloEarth is a great way to replace those costly live concerts. There will also no longer be any need to go looking for venues once live concerts are done digitally in vr. It's a great investment seeing as how people are cooped up in their homes watching livestreams.

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>>83500509
vark is fucking dead so yeah a vr venue IS a great investment

[Anonymous No.]

>>83500679
If it releases before 2035 maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>83494944
Valvebros, we have no prestige....

[Anonymous No.]

>>83494944
>caring about corpo prestige
Is this a vtuber board or wallstreetoasis

[Anonymous No.]

>>83493240
well it depends imo. there are companies on the stock market i'd consider SOVL, but it's a different kind of SOVL. a kind of SOVL where i guess you need a more "well whatever we're all dying anyway" type of perspective. the kind of perspective where you're treating everything like a game. just fuck around with stuff for the fun of it. the only thing you've got to lose is your life, and that's something that's happening anyway whether you want it to or not. unfettered human greed is kind of kino. surf the kali yuga. embrace the cringe. whatever.

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>>83492977
As long as Yagoo and a portion of the core remain it will be fine. All public means is they have a fiduciary responsibility to their investors that they run the company properly and try to make money and their Financials are public info.
Some Doomposters were crying about Blackrock owning >2% of shares but that doesn't really mean a fuck ton because Blackrock probably doesn't even know they own it.

My advice /vt/ is that /pol/ has no fucking clue how the stock market works (it's why they are all poorfags) or how the investing sector works.

They only worry would be if an actually evil company bought them out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Soul. Fuck off shithead. If you don't like the current hololive just leave. Why do you continue to stay just to complain endlessly?

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe shareholders would force them to cancel their retarded metaverse project, that‘d be neat. Of course merch would become even more cheap and garbage in exchange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83493393
He's retarded please understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Its always bad for the original consumer

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
If by "soul" you mean "profits," then yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83500679
I never liked those live concerts first place. There's always too many people and they're too loud to enjoy the show.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
If the only other option is being bought out, IPO is by FAR the lesser evil
And that's the situation Cover had to face

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Forget going public or staying private hololive future is at stake yagoo must be stopped before he kills the concept of cdgct which is the glue that holds the pillars of hololive together. We must do what need to be done and save cdgct from the invading men backed by the Chinese being allowed back in. YOU MUST DO WHAT NEED TO BE DONE FAILURE IS NOT OPTION.

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>>83499130
Let me explain as if you're 5. If you're a company and you want to do a sponsorship, a collaboration, do you want to work with a public company or a private company? that's a kind of prestige, not whatever the fuck you think. i know you're going to lie here and say oh i'll still go for private one if they're famous, but in the real world, a lot of time, public prestige is the final push. ppl have a delusion that hololive is so big that everyone is begging to work with them (at the time they go public, not so sure right now)

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504164
You're trying to apply Western business logic to the japanese market
That's a surefire way to head into bankruptcy

[Anonymous No.]

>muh prestige

[Anonymous No.]

>>83501014
the exception is not the rule. do you think hololive will even reach valve level now or in 10 years time, let alone when they went public years ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504164
younger people aka your audience increasingly prefer private companies, and they also increasingly hate those who prefer public companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504417
Let us wait for these young people to own their own businesses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504164
That's not true at all. You say all prestigeous companies are publicly traded. But rather it's that publicly traded companies are usually prestigeous, but there are also privately/family/dynasty owned companies with lots of prestige though these are usually companies with lots of history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504542
you just answer it yourself. Name me 1 start-up company that has made a name for itself without going public atm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504476
many of them do especially on this industry, most businesses don't start through the VC grift pipeline

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504738
can you name me some?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83500509
being physically there is part of the concert
you can't charge nearly as much for online tickets and expect people to pay

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
The only "problem" they have is that the investors are local, therefore they think local. If they want to go for f.e. Europe they need to change the way they run things. And they won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83494944
prestige is an illusion in the eyes of the public
investors look at financials and corporate structure(total employee competency etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
Saying you dont want armchair experts is literally admitting you will only listen to what is already your conviction.
A company exists to make money, going public will allow it to make more money. It will also mean straying from the original structure.
If you want to talk about a companies soul, i think you are talking about this structure. So no, going public changes a company. Good are bad are absolutely meaningless terms unless you explain whatever the fuck you think a soul of a company is.
t. millionaire trader, but not an expert on souls

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504941
prestige is very real, otherwise company wouldn't pay deviance when they can't do anything else to boost their prestige.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504828
watching them in VR will be even more "real" than at the venue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504987
alright ill get uhh 5 prestige points
how much is that gonna cost me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83505040
it cost 5 company soul point

[Anonymous No.]

>all armchair
Lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
I mean it's a pretty easy question to answer. Is a company going to have more or less soul being beholden to shareholders who the company has a legal obligation to attempt to make as much money for as possible or is a company going to have more soul being run independently by people who created the company because they believe in the product? Granted plenty of nonpublic companies are just started by retards trying to make a quick buck but chances are if you get to the point that people are asking you to go public you had a genuine passion for your industry.

Now the one saving grace is that going public doesn't mean giving over total control. That's usually where great companies fall apart. If the shareholders have enough of a controlling stake to force the founders out it's genuinely over. That's when you get people coming in who are just pure businessmen. The best CEOs are people like Newell, Iwata or Lisa Su. People who started out on the ground making their product but also have business sense. If you can keep people like that at the top you can keep the soul in your business. Which is still possible when a company is publicly traded but it's much more difficult.

When you give total control to the shareholders you usually see CEO's hired based on name brand recognition. You get people who's history is basically just gouging the biggest paycheck they could get out of a company until it got bought out by another company. Bad for long term shareholders but great for short term ones because it lets them buy the dip and then get nearly immediate profit. I've seen this happen personally a few times and it's pretty sad. Places that were great to work at suddenly became hellholes. Changes are constant and always for the worse. Competent people leave in droves or get laid off left and right. It's not guaranteed just by going public but the more control you give the shareholders the more likely it becomes and giving them any means that at least a little bit of it will happen. What used to be just a pure focus on making a good product becomes a focus on making a good product and/or maximizing profits. It's when the and becomes an or you're really fucked.

tl:dr Almost always bad. How bad just depends on if the company goes full retard and relinquishes a controlling stake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83505138
That was actually funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>83505327
Tks, I had a little giggle typing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83505023
You sound like a metaverse retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504762
Nearly every creator like Kanauru operates as a sole proprietorship. If you don't count singulars for whatever reason there are several indie companies like Kawa and Omocat handling merch for vtubers.
Most actual businesses just don't have capital investors because they don't feel the need to expand so rapidly.

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>>83504987
brand name aka "prestige" only matters because the average consumer sees certain brands as more trustworthy
going public doesn't really affect that though, would you really care as a consumer whether Nvidia was publicly owned?
You know the product is good

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>>83505517
prestige with other company, you work with company, you don't work with customer @@ especially in entertaimen industry. you gonna have to work with A LOT of other company. the more prestige, the more and bigger company you can work with

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977
cope, you dont need an expert to tell you that chinks will put their hands on it and destroy it completely, but at least the girls will quit and go indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83505517
This. Prestige and a bucket is worth the bucket. Brand loyalty is far more important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83495010
And yet, appealing to prestige is probably the best way to convince public investors to keep your oshi have a happy life.
After all, a company with no prestige has nothing to lose exploiting its employees for all they are worth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83505461
anon, what i talk about was collab like Idolmaster, AKB48, Dodger, One piece, MGS, ... that's kind of company. what you list help nothing for grow.

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>>83504685
In vtubing or in general? In general is fucking easy. Valve. Valve is a literal billion dollar company and it's still held privately.

[Anonymous No.]

prestige is a much more moot point in the west. a lot of the top companies investors want to go into are all private - openAI, anthropic, xAI, stripe, spacex, valve, bloomberg etc.

in the japanese context though especially if you want to work with dodgers and other foreign companies etc you might want the additional disclosure requirements that come with going public. e.g. quarterly earnings, trajectory and planning. however that also turns the company into much more of a corporate entity focused on meeting targets, and public scrutiny also makes it easier for competitors to figure out what you're doing.

honestly i think cover going public to fund holoearth was stupid as hell. i can understand going public to capital raise (raising private debt or equity outside of US is horrible and usually for legacy companies, not tech companies with new business models/markets) holoearth is rubbish and they should really have empowered/done more collabs with indie game studios for games like holocure.

that being said growth in vtuber industry is very difficult, market is saturated and no covid tailwinds to accelerate growth again so vtuber industry is kind of like crypto right now, plateauing, stigmatized and very few new joiners. growth comes only through maturing and getting more corporate partnerships, which cover has done a good job at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506156
have you not seen thread about why Cover go public? they go public so their VCs can cash out. it was either go public or sell to other company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506145
yea, the whole thread still only can name Valve. tell me if Valve was a norm or exception? name one in entertainment industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506363
You asked for one. You got one. Now look one post down and you get 7. Or would you like more?

https://www.forbes.com/lists/largest-private-companies/

There's 258. So I'd say it's pretty normal.

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>>83506156
I like how you include SpaceX. A company that does nothing but burns billions of dollars, has no real business income and only "profitable" because of government money.
And just because a company is private doesn't mean it doesn't have shareholders to please. A recent court case showed X under Elon has dozens of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506446
start-up company pls. do you feel it's unfair that i would want to exclude valve?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506446
I didn't know Kiara owned a convenience store chain

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506517
You know that government money is going to launches right? They're not just handing them the money on promises, they're handing them the money to put material in space. Space X is launching more rockets into space than the US ever did under it's own recognizance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506577
No I just think that you're moving goalposts to avoid acknowledging that you don't really know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506694
>Space X is launching more rockets into space than the US ever did under it's own recognizance
Which would actually be an amazing stats if 80% weren't launch for starlinks.
I remain that spaceX has virtually nil clients. They are surviving off government money.
Do you think Hololive can get that government money to do the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506156
openAI, anthropic, xAI, stripe, spacex, valve, bloomberg
You just named a bunch of companies which has billions dollar of VC moneys.
Cover corp was a company run on VC money just like them, then the VC decided to cash out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506836
Even 20% of Space X launches per year would be more than the US launched under their own programs. My comment doesn't really relate to Hololive just the idea that they're this flash in the pan pie in the sky company that doesn't actually provide a product when we've seen the highest numbers of launches and the most material moved into space in the last few years.

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>>83506966
well my point is SpaceX isn't a profitable company an relies solely off government money.
If the government cut funding the company would die in a year.
Hololive doesn't have access to this government funding, they raised VC capital just like everyone else and because of said VC they were forced to go public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83499590
People are still speculating that Aqua chose to graduate because the company went public and this is killing the freedom and creativity at Hololive, which if I'm honest is not too far from the truth.

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>>83499168

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>>83507034
I mean I will acknowledge that they probably wouldn't survive without government money but... neither would the entirety of our space programs. It's just not an altogether profitable avenue at the moment because we can't really bring down things of value. The point is that Space X is a far more efficient use of the funds than the government was. Without them we lose basically all of our space based infrastructure, or we go hat in hand to Russia begging them to put things up in space for us.

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>>83506818
you just named a really unique exception start-up and said anyone who can't do the same is bad. that's dishonest af. about openAI, anthropic, xAI, stripe, spacex, bloomberg etc. they all operate by VCs too you know? they gonna go IPO 100%. openai even have Microsoft as investor, bloomberg have 75 mil Technology Venture Fund, anthropic have "$100 million initiative financed by Menlo to support startups", ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>83506836
no need to derail this thread because you don't like musk. i don't like him either but the point is that you don't need to go public. cover was forced to by its investors who owned ~1/4 of the company. IPO was 320m so they had to find 80m to pay out the investors. If Yagoo were more worldly and didn't have small-time Japanese VC investors he would probably have been able to stay private for as long as he wanted and investors probably could have exited through a PE secondary. His raises (something like $7m total) are insanely small these days, so small that a bunch of no-name, no-experience college dropouts would be able to raise that for a pre-revenue seed/series A product

[Anonymous No.]

>>83507034
they are profitable, their primary customer happens to be the us govt.
lockheed martin and other military equipment manufacturers are that way too

also spacex has profit potential as long as people want to move thing to orbit

[Anonymous No.]

>>83507244
>and said anyone who can't do the same is bad.

I did not say any such thing. I provided you an example and you asked for more, which I did. There are tons of companies that I listed which you are ignoring which are not operating solely on VC, Space X is one of them if you would bother to read the rest of the thread. You seem to have difficulty with English so try to avoid reading things which aren't directly in the text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83507380
you are the one who don't read, spaceX operate by gov money.

[Anonymous No.]

I can only assume anon sold his soul to investors to goalpost move this desperately

[Anonymous No.]

>>83507439
Yes and many companies do. That's very different from VC money. Some of the most profitable companies in the world operate off of government money. Government contracts are very lucrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504164
>>83504220
That sounds like Japs slave mindset. I don't want prestige from my work, I want money and time to spend that money for myself.
I know I'm not gonna get them, I'm not 5, but fucking hell I'm not gonna thank my boss for overworking me because his corpo is big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83507244
>>83506898
the point is they don't have to go public, in fact they won't for a long ass time. for different reasons. bloomberg and valve print money. stripe's investors are fine doing PE secondaries to exit. stripe is worth >40bn, and doing secondaries for a company 40x smaller (cover) it's much easier. spacex and xAI have the elon effect but again, 0 pressure to go public even though they've been bleeding money. openAI and anthropic also won't go public even though they keep raising because all the investors think they have a winning investment, and they can just let the investment run. there's no need to go public any more, especially in the US. private markets are flush with cash for initial investors to exit.


cover raised seed in 2017 and ipo-ed in 2023. stripe's seed was in 2011 and epic games, 2012, both still aren't public. going public after 6 years, for investors to exit with 80m, especially when the company has growing net income (and can thus buy out investors) is far from necessary, but very likely is a function of them being a japanese company. in fact their 2024 net income will probably exceed what the VC investors exited for (25%*320m for IPO) so they could have done a private buyback, unusual as it is in the japanese context

[Anonymous No.]

>>83507765
probably investor for whatever reason want to cash out and give him 2 choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83504164
It's not about prestige anymore - prestige an old concept that does not apply to real market for at least two decades and is reserved for the biggest at most. Startups now are all about raising a project to a certain level and selling it before it will be too much too handle (both ways). Not everybody is aiming at bilions (actualy very little do), sometimes few mil is more that enough to feel satisfied and bail out. You never go public with a passion project. Yagoo might be withdrawing little by little, just wait when he will be named a honorary CEO when other people will pull the strings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83508003
(me) my rrat is Rushia's disaster in 2022 kick start the process of going IPO for VCs to cash out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83497398
>>83495437
>Once (((they’re))) in control they can begin to affect change on the culture of Japan
It's already all owari da.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/02/07/japan/society/japan-mass-foreign-immigration/
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240507/p2a/00m/0op/020000c
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-japan-finally-embracing-immigration/
This is how it started in many European countries too. They were just supposed to be temporary guest workers, but they never left in the end.
And then there's the international pressure:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/03/japan-must-reform-its-refugee-and-immigration-system-to-avoid-further-tragedies/

[Anonymous No.]

>>83492977

The power and soul of a company can be said to have two very important parts:

The vision of the people on the company - their trust, and how much you can inspire them to love your company, providing them a service for themselves, hopefully.

And second, there is the idea-making and planning that is done by leading figures.


If the visioning of the top of the company does a move such as this for the benefit of the company, and preferably it's customers, since a company cannot run without these and it is great to benefit them -

Then, going public is a good decision.


It is notable, at this point, that most folks that love virtual YouTubing are somewhat averse to scheduling and all such very detailed matters.


If the people who have the power to provide the choices that allow virtual YouTubing's strength of making a lovely environment for folks to be inspired (that is what it does, right?) act as the kind of manager that does not lead people, but only imposes rules for the sake of rules and power, it is that which creates a less safe environment where, as in relationships where men cannot take care of women, women have to take on masculine characteristics.


You may verify that this theory applies in more areas than this by looking at current society and taking examples quite easily.


In short: Whether it is great or not depends on the intention with which such a choice is made.

I don't read too much on this, so I don't know what the feeling about this is for people in the company, but if you find that the feeling is clearly predominantly negative, and this is not because people are scared of change, then there can only be one other option.


I hope I have given you a great guide for interpreting this situation and other situations, if you are able to really ponder these epic ideas.

I wish you well, brother.

Have a beautiful day!

[Anonymous No.]

>>83508823
>amnesty.org
xdd

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I've honestly considered getting an MBA (I have an engineering bachelor's) just because I feel the need to squeeze as much as possible out of the market before the crash, but everyone always says it'll happen two weeks later and never does. Hololive.

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>>83499726
Then why is Aqua leaving?

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>>83499590
People here have been complaining about this since then and have noticed it coinciding nicely with many new negative developments. It just so happens Aqua was the wake-up call on the issue for people who weren't paying attention before.

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>>83509549
you and I will never know

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>>83509396
if economists could predict crashes most crashes wouldn't happen in the first place
dont waste your time

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>>83509396
My brother just graduated with an MBA from Booth and works at a venture capital firm now for big bucks (over 160k). From what he's told me it was piss easy and he used Chat GPT to do half his assignments. You have to be networking the whole time though

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>>83509753
Crashes are orchestrated, retard.

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>>83509549
They forced her to dance n shit bros, it's fucking soul crushing, not worth the money

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>>83509396
There is no crash coming, at least not the way you imagine it. Anyone with any economic sense thought 100% it was going to crash during Covid lockdowns because infinite money with no labor or product is not a market. It's not even an economy. Yet somehow here we are post lockdowns and things are still chugging along.
>but muh inflation
I'd much rather have inflation than stagflation or deflation. Money is debt and is backed by labor which means money is labor. Only way market crashes is if labor stops, and only way labor stops is if that energy is diverted somewhere else, like war. So before the next crash even happens you'll probably be forcefully drafted into a meatgrinder to expunge unrecoverable debts.

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>>83506517
SpaceX can at least put astronauts into space and bring them back down again, that is something NASA and Boeing cant do lmao, there are astronauts that look to be stranded in space for an extra 6 months because Boeing is so fucking shit

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>>83492977
Are you fucking retarded?
Why would you need an expert? Just go look at companies that go public and lose their souls.
It takes less than 10 years. Look at apple. Everything Steve Jobs talked about happened without him at the helm.
The constant NEED for growth to appease shareholders pushes the product creation team to the bottom and BLOATS the marketing team because a perfect product can't be improved. So they need to MARKET spread. Then when they corner their maximum market they can only market to a more general consumerbase OR cut costs and raise prices.

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>>83492977
Hi I am expert ...on life! companies do not have souls ya tard. Goodnight.

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Money and greed is the death of the soul.

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>>83509667
Let's say that's true. So why does this place make up stuff that other Holos never said but cut it up and edit like they are talking shit about Cover when that's the opposite of what they actually talking about?

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>>83492977
Just look at Boeing

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>>83492977
good > money
bad > forced to do shits and restrictions to make more money
phasecuck > (You)

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>>83511003
God Steve Jobs was so fucking great, I long for the days of this simplicity

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>>83513959
Military money and daddy govt bailouts? Assassinating of antis?

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>>83492977
Aqua just graduated because of it.

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>>83516577
Didn't she quit because she's not interested in idolshit?

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>>83517931
Aqua was one of the earliest members to get a sololive

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>>83519716
She also mentioned that she'd be doing idolshit as an indie.
Other JPs have dropped hints that they're not super happy with the direction the company is going and realistically speaking there's been no actual positive change since going public

Merch output is still relatively the same, sponsorships are still relatively the same, 3Ds still happen at the same pace they have for the past 4 years. If someone could actually tell me who has benefitted from the company going public aside from investors who are actively interested in gutting the same things fans like and celebrate, I'd be interested

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>>83520962
>Other JPs have dropped hints that they're not super happy with the direction the company is going
You mean out of context clips spread around on bad faith?

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>>83521974
>out of context
just because lamy said postive things at the beginning and end doesnt mean she is happy, it is one of the first things people learn when you are giving someone critique to soften the blow. Lamy is an idol, she should smooth everything out as much as she can when she sends signals that she is unhappy. Keeping the peace and harmony is a big thing in japan y'know

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>>83521974
>bad faith?
Are you tarded? Non-idols would not want to stay in an increasingly idolfag company.

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Generally speaking?

Going public is a necessity in most cases. When your company is founded with funds given to it by investors you have to deal with the fact that those investors need to be paid back and more importantly they're looking to maximise their returns, which is what an IPO is for. It's when your initial investors cash out.

Yagoo founded the company with other peoples money and they were going to get their money back one way or another as Cover got more successful.

Long term outcomes aren't good though.
The next wave of investors haven't been sold on the founders vision. They're looking just for gains on their purchased stock so they can sell it for a profit.
Long term outcomes aren't that important.
When a venture capital firm gets involved thats basically it for the company. They'll dismantle a good chunk of it to make numbers look good then flip a now dying company for a profit.

Ideally Yagoo would have figured out a way to pay off the investors without going public.
But that was never going to happen

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>>83492977
Going public is always without exception bad for the soul. It's something that happens either out of greed or out of necessity

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>>83492977
I'm an accountant, so "expert" might be a stretch given how multi-faceted a question like this is, but here's how I see it:

Pros:
Access to Expertise: Small businesses often have weak financial and legal practices. When a company goes public, it gains access to investors who bring crucial expertise that can help maintain financial health. This is particularly important when the company grows to a point where risks like embezzlement become significant.

Neutral Conflict Resolution: Small companies can suffer from internal conflicts due to close-knit relationships, leading to dysfunction. Investors, who are primarily focused on financial performance rather than personal relationships, can provide a neutral perspective in resolving these disputes.

Cons:
Short-Term Focus: Some investors are primarily interested in short-term gains, looking to boost the company’s value quickly for a sale, often referred to as a "pump and dump" strategy. This can lead to poorly conceived ideas and rushed implementations that harm long-term viability.

Misaligned Priorities: The emphasis on growth at all costs can push companies to stray from their core competencies, leading to a series of poor investments that dilute the business’s focus.

So, is going public good, or bad? That depends immensely on how functional the company was before going public. A company might seem like it's doing great on the outside, but it often takes very few missteps to create a very real risk that the whole thing will implode; and given that Hololive has had management missteps in the past, there is definitely the possibility of lingering issues.

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>>83492977
You can't measure soul in business terms

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>>83504164
And yet, half the damn company never signed up for that.
Curious that it's the half of the company that barely stream now, an the older gens at that.
And now they're done.
Aqua isn't the last. You'll see. They'll not change shit. YAGOO is broken, he's too weak of a man to say "no". He will cave to the shareholders more and more until damn near all of them fuck off when the company implodes.
I sure hope I am wrong, I don't want them to crash and burn, but I don't see anything good from now on, shit's tainted and has been for a while now, and it wasn't even the becoming a public company that did it, that shit stems all the way back from AsaCoco meddling.
The increase in non-streaming activities is clearly not agreeing with several of them who have brought it up over the past 2 years at least, and that's just the ones that brought it up, some of them simply don't stream instead.

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>>83492977
it's over.

however, this was always the plan. cover was kingmade from the start. the powers that be could not just start a vtuber company out in the open, that's not how it works. it instead grows "organically", then goes public, then the real agenda begins.

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>>83493240
>armchair experts, fuck off

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>>83495437
>>>/pol/

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>>83504685
Valve