Twitch is killing karaoke

[Anonymous No.]

https://x.com/NekoPanVT/status/1825341893464756487

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
They should kill react content next

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
grim
When are they gonna do something about the sexual content flooding the site and being pushed towards kids?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223175
>When are they gonna do something about the sexual content flooding the site and being pushed towards kids?
the owner of the site literally follows titty streamers and live onstream demo'd features on his phone, logged into his account, swiping for 'next stream' and they were all tit streamers
they dont care (unless you're a vtuber, then you get banned)
https://r2.cdn.arazu.io/51b702fe4d654b44f86fa49387b61da7a52845d0b7de2c05ffb8c42af79cfee6.mp4

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781

[Anonymous No.]

This new set of rules isn't meant to stop karaoke streams in general, it's meant to stop vtuber karaoke streams in particular. Picrel.

Hell, it's meant to stop vtubers from doing any sort of music related projects on Twitch - going by the letter of the rule, and notwithstanding the fact that Calli and Gura don't stream on Twitch, their cover of KING wouldn't be allowed on Twitch because some non-zero amount of sound (instrumentals/mixing/etc.) in the video was made by someone other than the two of them.
Theoretically, Calli wouldn't be allowed to have it on her Twitch channel because it contains Gura's vocals, and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
You can just get perms, like Hololive does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
Oh no what will she do now? Karaoke is like 100% of her content...

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223608
She either die or ASMR

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223677
>>83223608
Or just go to YouTube

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223608
>>83223528

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
do you actually believe this faggot?
roru. rumao even.

[sage No.]

Thread closed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
Why would you guys believe some rando on twitter? the rules for karaoke are right there in the OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224018
Thats the ceo of twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
He didn't say there will be no changes, just that he does not expect any changes. So expect changes.
I'm pretty sure that Maple using a MIDI track she made herself would get her banned, on the grounds that the program she used was programmed by someone else, which in turn means that the sounds of the individual notes in the MIDI software she used counts as "recorded elements owned by others"

Yes, it's stupid. I never said it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223897
>>83224018
Isn't he the Twitch CEO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
8bitdrummerbros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>Western companies now requiring permissions
Oh no no no, western corpofags? Indiefags? Don't have Japanese office drones ready to beg for permissions over fax?! Who's laughing now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224090
>>83224158
and he lies as he breathes, just like musk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
the unstated bit is: "… because you've been paying for a karaoke-licensing service the whole time, right?"
this is why holos have to use KaraFun, and can still only sing a subset of songs even when performing "unarchived"

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224158
>>83224090
>Actually believing him
This isn't the first time he's been completely unaware of what amazon/his "safety council"/his legal team was up to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
BASADO

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223529
You're misunderstanding
>create all audio elements yourself [...] recorded elements owned by others
The Calli x Gura cover of KING is produced by a number of people, but is owned by Cover and as representatives of Cover, Calli or Gura would be considered as owning those recorded elements.

But the real thing about these rules is that, like all rules on Twitch, they are meaningless unless reported.
This system is in place for draconian and predatory record labels to bogart and control how the public engages with the music they own.
The only way someone gets in trouble by playing that KING cover on their stream is if Cover themselves takes issue with it.

>>83223721
>playing or singing anything resembling copyrighted music on YouTube
RIP

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224272
Hololive already has good relations with the guy, they would be smart to reach out and grant him a perpetual license so he has a safe catalogue to play

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224707
>>playing or singing anything resembling copyrighted music on YouTube
Do you not know what an unarchived karaoke stream is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224393
Man that perms autism sure does help, huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223403
>>83223175
>noooo, not the childeriinooos
There's nothing wrong with showing cleavage. It teaches the girls to be feminine and teaches the boys to be straight.
Shove your fake outrage up your puritan American ass.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking hell, now the twitch whores will invade YouTube I’ve never wanted twitch to die because it was an awesome whore containment place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224727
I'm assuming holo songs make up only a small percentange of the stuff he covers, so it would be kinda pointless

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224811
what i care about is the fake outrage from the rules, inconsistent moderation and blatant favoritism

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224753
A workaround
>if you want to do it, you have to let it vanish into the ether so the YT bots don't fuck you over
Great system, gotta love it

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223175
they wont kill that because thats the dirty secret that keeps their lights on

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
>>83224476
yep. there's a lot more that can possibly be said about "is karaoke OK" than he's letting on, there's just no room to do so on twitter and he doesn't wanna scare content creators away from doing anything because that hurts the platform and he doesn't wanna actively harm his own interests.

basically I'm reminded of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhc21Y0Xdw

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
fippybippy

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224915
If these people can't get perms, workarounds are the only way to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224933
Titty streamers are based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
I wish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224774
>returned to usual within a few business days fully monetized instead of getting sent to the shadow realm and causing a channel strike
Sure does

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
That's basically just the rule corpo chuubas have been following since forever. I still see Niji and Holo karaoke frequently, so karaoke on Twitch should survive just fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
yeah but twitch is totally better than youtube yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224999
>he thinks perms or licenses save you from YT's content ID
People have gotten copyright claimed on music they made themselves by completely unrelated people

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224915
As opposed to what? Twitch? Where VODs vanish after two months regardless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Would effectively kill Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225118
What exactly is your point, anon? YouTube can suck, but if Twitch is going to suck and stop livestream karaoke, then at least they have a different platform that gives an option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225107
The lyrics part is weird. Holo rule set is not that strict.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225217
Youtube's even worse.
Twitch was the safer alternative to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225415
>Twitch was the safer alternative to begin with.
And now it's not. But at least unarchived karaoke exists!

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
Good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224393
Don’t you have to worry about Gura graduating by the end of the month?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225460
twitch streams aren't archived in the first place lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225217
>if Twitch is going to suck and stop livestream karaoke
That's "if"
And right now it doesn't seem to be that that's the case

This is a brand-new policy put in place due to a brand-new program, which means there's going to be some tweaking and puzzling out before we actually know what the deal is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225502
The line is 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
This 100% but they won't because small content creators don't have big lawyers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225513
Yeah, and now, according to the rules, Twitch will police active streams. YouTube doesn't really as long as you don't allow an archive. So YouTube is the better one

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Rip mousey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225209
Then it never had any right to exist in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

i like how you guys still got your panties in a bunch over react content despite it being an old meta from 3 years ago

[Anonymous No.]

I HATE COPYRIGHT CONGLOMERATES
I HATE COPYRIGHT CONGLOMERATES
I HATE COPYRIGHT CONGLOMERATES

Record label executives and lawyers should be stoned. Fucking leeches of society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225735
React streamers should be shot on sight and all of their fans should be arrested and put in prison. Not because of copyright, but because they're stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225804
Based moderate

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225742
Why don't you just make original content?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225931
Are you just being a contrarian because you think it's funny, or do you lick the soles of multi-billion dollar companies, that would gladly sell your organs for a penny or two, for a living?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225340
>Holo rule set is not that strict
yes it is, if lyrics appear visually on screen you can bet they've been licensed
holos have talked about how translated lyrics require even more perms, too, which is why not all cover songs have them
https://youtu.be/2ZqHOiQodwQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
Oh no-
>Twitch
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225460
>But at least unarchived karaoke exists!
not if you get a strike while live
>>83225742
cool it with the antisemitism, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226044
>Are you just being a contrarian because you think it's funny
Do you know where you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224727
He already has. He even has a Holo-PR manager reaching out to him regularly over song that are likely bad for his channel (treasure box, Adventure Holic, etc.) To warn him prior about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226044
I just think you can just put a little bit extra effort and avoid copyright issues all together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226064
>translated lyrics require even more perms
Before someone gets pissed at this, if I were a Jap and saw how my writing gets butchered by some of these terrible localizers, I would be hesitant to allow it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
Oh nice. It's good to have differentiation and usage profiles for the platforms.

Also Rumble.

[Anonymous No.]

OH NONONONO vshojokeks we got cocky
Now lets see where your "Talent Freedom" going to be on this one
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226253
Sleep streams won't be affected

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225742
This. My hatred runs deep for:
>Politicians
>Defense contractors
>Copyright conglomerates/trolls
In that order. These 3 groups ruin the planet together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226308
Truly the most original and creative of content

[Anonymous No.]

Once again Hololive is already ahead on this one.
People look at Hololive as being restrictive when the reality is all entertainment medium will eventually lead to copyrights and permissions.
The only reason why it hasn't been that way in the past few years is because streaming and vtubing medium isn't as mainstream yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226308
brb publishing a track of snoring on Spotify and issuing takedowns on every stream in the category

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
>the copyright music in the clip probably kill it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
this is basically yt while being in corpo karaoke
even yt karaoke is better now

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224456
>>83224531
I didnt say i was believing him im just saying its not a random guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226482
Didn't fauna's 3D stream get copystruck for several days?
I distinctly remember Suisei got a stream struck live because she was using her own song as bgm

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223175
not just sexual content, but online real-money gambling content on the site and being pushed to kids too

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
>They should kill react content next
Imagine the meltdown...

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
Technically what he said falls in line with the language of the rules. If you have some free instrumental or midi and do a live performance of it, which karaokes are, they are fine. Granted twitch always has an enforcement and consistency problem so who knows how this will unfold. Bigger issue is probably shit written in stone and they can choose to bust people playing shit jamming in the background. Obviously it’s not a big issue, there are playlist and music fitting the rights criteria but they’re just usually not as engaging

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>>83223528
Hmm, it seems weird,
Clancy's word definitely seems to be more so due to the fact that as CEO your word is taken as value, which is why he said something that obviously contradicts with Twitch's new legal. Likely that you can still do Karaoke streams with songs by using the double track stuff, but it's still unknown. This will also could affect future venues and conventions, and not so much the little guy (as in the vtuber). I think Twitch still has the same detection, and the problem will be mainly with reporting from actual music labels, unlike Youtube which is a nightmare of it's own.

All I have to say is that fuck the Music Industry, like holy shit if they continue to be the nightmare for anything content related for years now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226244
odysee is the best for freedom. They pay you in monopoly crypto though, so you can't really make a living with just that. Even Jim stopped streaming there, and moved back to youtube even if he has to delete every vod after stream.
But if you have a following that pays you through, like, streamlabs or patreon or whatever, you can do pretty much anything there, as long as it's not outright illegal or porn. Much better player than kick or twitch too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>lip sync performance
>dj set
wtf the recording industry is out of their fucking mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>83228127
Odysee was in the process of being shut down due to unpaid crypto taxes or something I thought? The owner was in some serious legal trouble last I remember

[Anonymous No.]

I'm surprised that they didn't go after the people who are just streaming full episodes of anime like My Hero Academia, Hunter x Hunter, etc. on there first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83228217
Have been for decades

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
fpbp

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>>83223038
I like how you niggas pretend that react content doesn't exist in Youtube Live. Youtube's Live pay pig Ludwig, does it quite frequently, and this is a guy under Youtube's payroll for some time. The only thing stopping it in the community is just applied to VTuber Corpos

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>>83223038
Can’t kill react content precedent exists so it’s pretty much untouchable. Technically speaking music should be untouchable, but someone came to the genius idea that they could be the proxy for all the songs that aren’t free. Essentially brow beat streaming sites with mass strikes and even though they have no real power the sites lose money either through ad rev or going to court so often. Which is why they just rather not deal with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Will probably happen at some point desu, at some point someone will complain and it will become a big thing and twitch will step in and say thats it no more

[Anonymous No.]

>>83225091
You’re half right, all the money she made on it except supers I believe was turned over to YouTube and the reach was diminished significantly. That being said still better overall

[Anonymous No.]

>>83228301
never heard of that, but it's still functioning. There's some 0view vtuber on the wildwest tag now, even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>twitch whores will flood to youtube
god dammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229114
This. Twitch is a nice containment site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229113
I figured it out, they were forced to sell LBRY which was a part of odysee after getting sued by the SEC for illegally trading securities (LBRY coin). I guess they were able to keep the video portion of the site up though and that's why odysee still exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83228937
If it didn't kill it in Youtube back in 2015, Twitch ain't gonna, they would have to do something as retarded as enforcing rules or guidelines over streaming stuff from other websites or something in that vein, and that would likely cost them viewers, money and time in other to properly manage it. It's an everlasting conversation that simply is just not worth it for companies behind the platforms (both Youtube and Twitch). The problem with the Music Industry is, as said by this guy >>83228892 is that most of the people in that industry have "fuck me" money, which is why these companies bend over backwards to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83227085
That's more about Youtube's busted-ass copyright detection system (and the fact that they can't legally improve it due to the decades-old DMCA law) than anything else. Fauna also played Claire De Lune on her kalimba on stream one time -- a live performance of a public domain composition -- and it got copyright claimed.
>>83229249
Was.
This new karaoke policy is somehow worse than Youtube's copyright system. It's almost as if Amazon wants vtubers to migrate to Youtube or Kick or other platforms.

[Anonymous No.]

this has almost ALWAYS been a thing on twitch and it gets brought back up every two years. Laws have always needed you to license music. Instrumentals, lyrics, and melodies are protected with circumstance. Just like how streaming video games is actually a lawfully grey area. That's why Hololive goes the permissions route. You'll even see sections on developer websites about streaming guidelines for video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229721
>It's almost as if Amazon wants vtubers to migrate to Youtube or Kick or other platforms.
That's been obvious for at least the past 2 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>visual music depiction
>visual music depiction
>visual music depiction
>visual music depiction
Is this a fucking joke? So you don't have to actually have any music playing at all for it to be disallowed? Simply showing song lyrics on screen or sheet music is enough to get your shit taken down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83228767
Look at this faggot missing the point by a mile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229804
As much as one would want “peace” by accepting that stuff, holy fuck if it’s just boring having to deal with permissions over a fucking game lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229960
The only two alternatives are to risk having your channel nuked for copyright infringement, or to not stream video games in the first place. The latter kinda sorta defeats the purpose of being a video game streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229960
copyright laws are incredibly outdated in terms of usage for streaming. They really should be updated with modern internet in mind. For games, more creators should be more aware of the issue. All they need to do is state that the game has permissions for streaming somewhere on their website, as some already do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038

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>>83222781
Cover versions of songs have a long-standing industry standard of like 10% of sales go back to the original owner. Taylor Swift and others who couldn't outright purchase the rights to their initial albums have found loopholes to re-record their music with the labels getting far less from each sale/stream. The corporate streamers are going to be fine in that regard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>twitch is the superior platform bro
>t. twitch retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
does twitch still allow streamers to do that thing where they can play copywritten music but they do some audio source fuckery where it doesnt play the music on the VOD? kind of retarded to still allow that and not allow karaoke

[Anonymous No.]

>>83226064
But that's an officially licensed cover that is made to stay on the channel. If they can sing unlicensed songs without saving the vod, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to display the lyrics as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83230701
It's not actually allowed. If they're caught, they can get a strike. It just makes it considerably harder to get caught or strikes. It's a user-end workaround to the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83230194
It isn't if anything streming platforms get too much leeway. Broadcast rules are much stricter about ads but the internet is just the Wild West where everything goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83230933
That's what I mean. The general public doesn't know much about copyright usage, and so that reflects on the things they post on the internet. When they see someone else breaking the laws, they don't consider it and assume it's allowed, showcased by everyone reacting to this situation and also showcased to others assumptions in this thread. If copyright laws adapted to the climate, then it would be easier for them to gain profit from well-meaning individuals, while those individuals get the safety of doing things legally. 'Wild West, everything goes' doesn't matter when you're still susceptible to the law when you're offline, especially for corporate entities. It's just harder to catch everything that's illegal, most entities aren't going to waste the money taking legal action against some random joe, and parody / transformative laws are outdated and vague with the advent of modern internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
FIRST
POST
BEST
POST

Add sleeping streams to the list too

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
you can fly a jetliner through the legal hoops he's jumping through there kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83230194
Even Japan company starts to figure out that they need streamers to work with their games and even the strictest video game companies like Nintendo/Capcom start to hand out blanket perms for streaming, though they try to get a small slice of the pie by charging a subscription fee for that blanket perms.
It's crazy how ASS BACKWARD the music industry is. Unlike movies and videos games, they basically have no chance to lose any revenue from streamers playing their songs on stream. Music industry main income isn't from people listening to their songs at all. Most songs are already available on yt for free. They lose out on chances of streamers advertising their products for free with almost no drawbacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223528
This is the same person who tells people to "just delete the vod lmao" when they go through at least 20 DMCA violations in a single stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>Music labels clamping down again
Yet tiktok can flagrantly break DMCA because Chinks don't give a shit about DMCA

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
It's been a while since I've seen Mouse. Does she do karaokes regularly? I remember she kinda stopped doing them back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
>officially not a single reason to use them over yt now
Ohnonono

[Anonymous No.]

Does Twitch kill a stream live like YouTube will with copyrighted content? If not, and you don't care for VoDs, don't seem too big of a deal then for karaokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Logial next step after this id say

[Anonymous No.]

>>83231375
I think they're mainly concerned over DJs and song streaming royalties that they would otherwise be getting through official apps. Awhile back, people were throwing around ideas for Spotify to integrate with Twitch so that the artists could gain royalties for the amount of active users listening to the stream. I feel like I've seen updates about it somewhere, but I can't remember if it ever went through. I'm sure there's revenue labels get from people streaming music on YT. As far as I know, if you get caught using a song on YT, that artist can get royalties from your video or the section of the video could be muted. I think a lot of small music artists still don't get a lot of money from things such as spotify streaming though, and I think the royalties with people using songs in YT videos might be weird and might be heavily weighted towards the song artist. I agree with you in the end, when I like a song from a stream or video, I will usually search it up and find their original platforms and learn more about the music. That's why a lot of gaming companies don't actually go against Let's Players and streamers, since it's simply bad press and usually good advertising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
I'd say this, but that implies I want karaoke content gone and then react content gone. I just want reactshit gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83231694
There wouldnt be a change in that case

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Yea I'm sure those Youtubers can skullfuck Twitch as hard as the RIAA would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83231694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhc21Y0Xdw
Even worse, they'll outright take over the stream
They fucking deserved it anyway, fuck Lars for being a greedy cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Holy shit FPBP

[Anonymous No.]

>>83229960
Maybe don't make a job out of playing games if you don't like the boring parts then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
Karaoke on Kick

[Anonymous No.]

>>83231797
The money from music video views on YT is so miniscule that it is probably negligible within the music industry.
As for royalty from music streaming service such as Spotify, people pay for those service not to just able to listen to songs, but for the convenience of customizing their playlist and get auto-recommend music within the genre. You don't get that convenience listening music through a streamer 's stream so there is no competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
So it's the same as YouTube now, without the option of being ContentID claimed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224118
Let alone creating a cover of a copyrighted song and monetizing it through a public performance without the proper license. That could also serve as an easy target to get a strike if the rights holders feel really shitty about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
i mean they complain ir they face the music industry dmca hell.
Youtube went for this exact change and shouldnt be a surprise.
That being said droping it 2 weeks before enforcing it togheter with what was a "win" for dj streams is fucking vile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
It's going to happen eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
not like they react to twitch stuff
they just steal from to other sites so twitch cant even make some content id detection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83231797
streaming hasnt shown any real effect over advertising.
Complainging about them is bad tough but mostsuccesful games are already succeful with or without streamers. There isnt enough data to back up streamers being good advertisment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
nah bro I need asmon's takes

[Anonymous No.]

just get a license like jp companies do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
Building dystopian future proceeds smoothly, one little chain at a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
Oh, look. Another Holobrony who hates Vshojo. How original.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83222781
could be that they just say that to cover their ass but dont intend to do anything about it unless reported.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83234296
I mean I'm sure there's a fair amount of indie shit that got a relatively big boost because of some big name normalfag streamer shining a spotlight, especially if clips of it blow up on youtube. Even if that's a combination of content types it still begins with the streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224811
Found the pedophile

[Anonymous No.]

>millennials get boxed out of traditional careers by the 2008 economic crash and bailouts for boomers
>go into "nu-careers" like tech monkey, streamer, crypto 'trader', online drug dealer, dropshipper
>years later boomers show up and say "these fuckin kids are making money on this?" and demand their cut despite putting no effort into the sector
Are we living in hell? Imagine your entire life existing purely to provide financial value to your parents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>83234296
If stream is EQUAL to advertisement, that should be enough incentive for company to leave streamers alone because it's basically as good or almost as good as advertisement and they don't have to pay for it (usually)

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine using twitch. Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>83224915
You realize twitch nukes ALL vods, right? Like, there is no archive? It just saves them for a temporary bit of time before removing them forever
Great system, gotta love it, eh twitchfag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>83235359
doesn't it keep them for three months though, and it's a single setting to auto upload them to youtube
anyhow all this shit is about their dj program, nothing changes for normal streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>83235574
I mean
the argument "it uploads to youtube anyway" is not really a compelling argument on why twitch is superior to youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
HOLY BASED

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223038
The parasocial fucks who spend 4 hrs a day watching YLYL #214 with their favorite streams are gonna off themselves anon…..

[Anonymous No.]

>>83235859
The only real argument I've heard is that the chat delay is lower. I don't think 1-2s makes a difference though

[Anonymous No.]

>>83223175
wdym? twitch is more strict than youtube now when it comes to nudity. you can lit watch corn on YT

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>>83234296
streamers get sponsored by companies to play their games for advertisement... streamers get sponsored to show and promote products... there are tons of indie games that have only gotten attention because big names like markiplier, jacksepticeye, and pewdiepie did let's plays... is this bait?

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>>83235146

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>>83234976
Meds

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>>83236010
Vod retention is not an argument?
ogey

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>>83235859
twitch for streaming, youtube for archives, split audio keeps the vod dmca safe, is how most do it
>>83236010
from those who moved to youtube and came back, better moderation tools, chat integration, game categories etc, that kinda stuff

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>>83235359
There is an archive but Twitch is a streaming website and not an video sharing website like YouTube, you can work around with the staff to set up a contract for unlimited archive or a longer archive time for it, but a lot don’t request it because it’s just not worth it. Twitch also has the tools to easily export it to YouTube. So it’s an non issue, maybe a flaw by cutting corners of the website, but considering the walk around, no one really cares.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch is like Epic Games Launcher.
Somehow they are hell bent on destroying Steam, even though they are completely dependent on Steam for community and review service.
And Apps sucks.

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>>83236211
the highlights thing is something not a lot of people seem to use, but that keeps things indefinitely too
like, a speedrunner will stream for 10 hours but highlight the 1 hour pb run and that'll stay forever

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>>83236118
Meds to cope with twitch killing karaoke?

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube streaming is a few good updates away from doing the same thing Discord did to Skype and Ventrilo. They have more money to bring more creators on. Twitch has implemented some features recently that people have been wanting for year, but they're on thin ice.

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>>83224933
They won't kill that because there aren't litigious rights holders with autoflagging bots constantly kicking off over it.

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>>83223528
>karaoke with instrumentals ok
>>83222781
>literally points 3, 4, 5 and 6
>dont pretend to sing it
>dont show lyrics or notes
>dont karaoke
>dont do covers (karaoke is technically a low production value cover)

ayyyyy

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>>83222781
Who cares?
It takes a serious masochist or tribalist to be watching Twitch in 2024.

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>>83236519
>Who cares?
>>83236114

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>>83235139
the fact they have to pay for it tells you enough about it.

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>>83236263
YouTube is more akin to Epic Games (outside of the app), you are just blinded by your Vtuber fascination, if you don’t recognize the failure attempt of cracking the market of Live-streaming during Twitch’s rising known as YouTube Gaming, YouTube doesn’t really care about the community or the “review” service, there’s a fuck ton of bots streaming 24/7 that are just under the rug, and all the attempts of Ludwig to push around stuff that it’s well known about Twitch (such as raids) have failed miserably to bring stuff from Twitch. And obviously let’s not forget that just like Epic did to Devs to get exclusives, YouTube paid several Twitch Streamers to stream on YT and only one remained, literally everyone left. The Fortnite of Youtube? It’s not even the Vtubers, is IShowSpeed, Vtubers to them is more so the Fall Guys to them. The plus side just like Epic’s free games is better player and memberships tbf

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>>83236079
yes THEY GET PAID to make the product the focus
but streamers just streaing a game casually doesnt do anything.

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>>83236176
>>83236211
And yet the "streaming website" has shitty streams by comparison

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>>83236607
>YouTube is more akin to Epic Games
Youtube still has more options to the user hence that comparision.

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>>83236616
You're silly. It's cute. Want to go to Mcdonalds with me?

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>>83236675
options as in streams?
at any given time there are 4-5x more live streams on twitch than youtube

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>>83236675
Going for both naked:
For the the user, you have playback, memberships (main focus the community tab), better quality (bitrate mainly) and 1 to 1 video (meaning both vod and video are the same)
For Twitch you have the community tools (points system, easy follows through shoutout) and the API of Twitch has developer tools to push community interactions which allows interactions even in game, drops, audio mode for free, a functional recommendation tab and the clip system.
Both share a poll system and raids, although arguably these were unique to Twitch until YouTube brought them over.

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>>83236831
>>83236946
youtube has more than just streams which is why it makes it a better option for users.

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>>83223038
Unfortunately not going to happen. This is happening just because music labels are making Twitch do this.
At least this will remove music videos from the "react" playlist.

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>>83235859
Why not. It leads you to put your eggs into multiple baskets by it's nature, thus making your business as a content creator less dependent on one plattform. Makes a lot of sense from a business perspective.

That being said stuff like HoloEarth, and this hololive social network app are efforts with similar intent, and I bet at some point hololive will try to bring streams to a custom app (first as exclusive bonus content, with the possibility to scale it up as a safety measure). Bring your customer base to multiple platforms, so you can't be fucked over by one.

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>>83237122
Because it's common sense and how websites have always functioned and doesn't speak to the actual quality of the website itself or issues being raised

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>>83237122
It's still a dogshit argument and literally has you admitting that Twitch is actually worse.

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>>83234233
this, twitch is too shitty a platform for channels that rely on long-term episodic content not made in real time that requires time/effort for setting stuff up, editing and such. what is the use in putting in extra effort into something that's aired all of once, which is why hardly anyone does it and jerma was famous for doing shit that is way way way higher effort than usually considered reasonable for twitch.

so instead you have crusted grease buttflakes like asmon reacting to interesting videos/commentary/journalism etc straight outta youtube, that can't actually-exist on twitch. and the mofo does it a fucking lot. same for moist etc.

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>>83224811
actual groomer mindset kek

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>>83222781
Nothing of value was lost. It's not like there's any vtuber in twitch that can sing well

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>>83228127
>if you have a following that pays you through
Then Locals is the best option

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>>83236519
>>83236519
>You're a tribalist for wanting more options.
Holy KEK

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>>83234446
This is not only a VShojo thing, it's a Twitch thing.

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>>83224272
He's already simulcasting on YouTube, with this he might actually switch to YouTube completely.

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You guys are stupid as fuck. The changes in the terms are meant to support the DJ program where you can legally restream copyrighted music on your sub channel and share a part of the revenue with the copyright owners and avoid copyright takedowns officially.
Restreaming music is already against the rules before the changes, it has never been legal and can already get you banned just like what was stated on the new rules. This is why streamers use dual track audio to avoid copyright detection, and music companies didn't care about it because it cost too much to detect violations live.
Qrd: It doesn't change anything. You can still do karaoke unless you get hit with a strike by the rights owners which they can already do right now.
https://x.com/djclancy999/status/1824883414065144253

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>>83239352
This specific board is just way below the bell curve for 4chan.

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>>83222781
Skill issue. Just don't get struck.

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>>83235373

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>>83237047
technically possible, it does hurt ad revenue of respective platforms
or, enough individual content creators start bombarding twitch with takedown notices

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>>83222781
Does it mean that all the western vsingers debuffing themselves with that place will move to youtube now?

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>>83239459
This is a standard vaguely worded TOS so they can strike whoever for whatever reason because it's deliberately vague and unclear.
They're painting with the widest brush possible to avoid being sued by the handful of organizations that handle instrumental karaoke covers and the RIAA or worse having it go to the senate/congress.

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>>83222781
I’m fairly sure two or three of these go against fair use, then again welcome to twitch and their crazy rules.
I expect them to remove and add again these rules for a month, spur random bans of people without any warning, cause a massive commotion and then return to normal again.
Google should use these mind broken acts as evidence in their appeal of strangling the competition, clearly your honor they are killing themselves without any help.

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Doesn't Cover give out free cover and karaoke perms to most holo songs by default? Just sing holo songs

[Anonymous No.]

>>83240829
Holo songs suck. Never seen a single indie care about them.

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>>83222781
Twitch doesn't care, but the government does. Target your childish fumes at the right target.

[Anonymous No.]

>omw to report every single vtuber stream on twitch of breaking these rules

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it but to me it looks like it forbids absolutely everything.

[Anonymous No.]

pack it up guys karaoke streams on twitch are here to stay
https://x.com/djclancy999/status/1824904274918457659

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>>83223038
NOOOOOOOOOO
YOU CAN'T KILL MY 2VIEWS AND ASMON-CHAN

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>>83223038
fpbp

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>>83222781
You could always just fucking ask for perms

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>>83231213
>sleeping streams
Are you TRYING to kill mousey, anon?!

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>>83243546
>ask for perms
Corpo's bootlicker

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>>83224707
>they are meaningless unless reported.
Considering how many vtuber antis are on twitch and have nothing better to do but sockpuppet accounts to mass flag people this is going to be abused like a submissive wife.

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>>83242045
>no mention of filian or mouse
it's almost as if you're being disingenous

[Anonymous No.]

Does Ame still use bubba radio for her zatsu/sc readings?

[Anonymous No.]

>>83244962
does she still do sc readings? she has so few streams lately

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>>83244962
If she does, I wouldn't know because I don't watch Twitch or Ame.

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>>83240272
As you say, fair use has no bearing on the policies of individual platforms. Most of Youtube's draconian copyright enforcement violates fair use, because it's cheaper than the procedure for actually validating claims and counterclaims through the legal system. Your rights end where a company's loss of profit begins.

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>>83244083
Mouse probably games as much as anything these days, this boards' view of her is always diluted by her antis' bait threads. A prime example of this was her 2mill follower marathon where they made bait threads everytime she slept but glossed over her spending like 14 hours each of the five days playing Elden Ring with zero react. Even when she does react half the time it's chosen by a chat poll where games were also an option because she was down for either. She dominated during stuff like the Lethal Company meta for a reason.
Filian would be fucked though.

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>>83223038
based

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Doesn't this kill Mogra streams?

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>>83223038
FPBP