Culture shouldn't exist only for those who can afford it

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Just because someone can only watch clips doesnt make him less of a vtuber fan

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Kris replied to BVTM? Even more reason to hate him

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>>82183686
>kris ernoul and bvtm
i hope all these niggers die

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>>82183686
Bait used to be believable

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>>82183794
the cancer trinity

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Based Ernoul as usual
He's just Helmite if he wasn't afraid of the haters

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>>82183794
Ernoul is based actually

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>>82183762
How new? Kris has been sucking btvm's dick since his first account

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>>82184031
He's retarded and only being used by the more retarded homobeggars for their stupid culture war.

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>>82183686
Here they come. The anti's who actually have BVTM as their oshi. What a pathetic bunch of masochistic SEAs.

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>>82183984
he's a dumb bvtm nigger too

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>>82183984
Ernoul's responses are never actual arguments like Helmite, they're just seethe

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>Knowing who these literal who's are
>Vouching for them
I can't wait for more floods

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>>82183686
Everyone in this image should perish

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>>82183686

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>>82186329
Nice bump you retarded faggot.

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>>82183686
Ernoul lives rent free in so many heads it's great. we need more people like him on twitter. Not afraid to openly shit on homostars and argue with a mob of sisters

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>>82183686
Non-issue for most female vtubers because they're successful, they literally don't give a fuck if I do it.

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>>82183686

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agree

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>>82183686

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>>82190632
>Unicorns gave jurard a bad name
>He literally admitted he shit stirs on purpose

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>>82183762
He always a doxxnig

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>>82190718
They don't even bother watching clip, maybe someone should post it in image format, it's a 50/50 they even know how to read.

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>>82183686
I don't give a fuck about any of these gay retards but only watching clips literally DOES make you less of a vtuber fan. By only watching clips you contribute nothing to the actual vtuber's viewership and know virtually nothing about their personality outside of very specific 2-3 min windows.

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Where did this ernoul guy even sprouted from?

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>>82190632
lmao, this has to be a troll, jurard fucked up his own career on his own, same as vesper

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>>82190632
It's funny that he chose villains for this.
especially villains who are pure evil and did nothing noble.

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>>82193559
>DOES make you less of a vtuber fan.
Lmao no

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>>82193559
Eh, apparently they're buying more than enough merch to justify it.
Each live appearance seems to do well, as well so clearly there IS an audience.

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>>82200332
Yeah man contributing absolutely nothing to the vtubers you "watch" does actually make you less of a fan. Idk how you would ever reach the opposite conclusion
>>82200471
I never said anything about the Stars having fans. While they aren't a resounding success or anything they certainly have an audience large enough to support their activites. The reason people make fun of their numbers is because their is a large portion of 'fans" on twitter who only watch clips and never actually support them. Starmin are dedicated though and definitely do support them.

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>Twittershit
>Not even about vtubers, just a bunch of literally whos getting into a retarded slap fight
Everyday this board manages to sink lower and lower

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>>82200711
Yeah, it's rough. I do think a big problem is just them either being not marketed/pushed into the right kind of content for the market. There's only one real popular western male vtuber left (Shoto), and his brand of fujobaiting and networking is apparently not something the boys do, whatever that is.

Also I still think they should just go to twitch entirely and take advantage of raids in order to grow faster, since raiding on youtube clearly isn't nearly enough when they're just shuffling around the same few hundred fans.

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>>82193559
>clippers are more important than the talent

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>>82200969
they simply will never be as popular as the girls and they will never have any sort of overall unity within HoloPro because most girls will avoid them like the plague. I think they are doing well enough for themselves and their fanbase is much, much more stable than what Luxiem's was/is. I don't really see a need for any of them to change at least in EN except for the absolute runts like Flayon.

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>>82183686
But streams are free?

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>>82200986
what?

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>>82201258
The problem is that there seems to be a sort of hard cap for them. Bettel's doing his best, but he's really the only Bettel in the branch.

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>>82200957
Bring back the /jp/ meidos that would give you 3 day board wide bans just for typing "cope"

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>>82183686
but streams are free, at the very least people can put them in the background while doing something else

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>>82201371
I mean Ruze is doing well too. They only seem hard capped in comparison to the girls but they are very successful compared to the overall tubing sphere. Like they are never going to come close to the success of most Holo girls but outside of that they are doing fine.

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>>82183686
If you can afford to watch clips, you can also afford to watch streams (or vods).

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I feel like male corpo vtubers in general need a massive shift in design philosophy. There are plenty of anime characters who are men that are liked by men. Fujoshi don't need anime pretty boys to do what they do, so visuals are almost irrelevant when it comes to that market. They market to yumes instead, but otome games and general yume shit are both significantly smaller portions of the western weebshit market.

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>>82202420
You have a misunderstanding of why people watch vtubers if you think making them look like guts or something would change anything. Their appearance is not why dudes don't want to watch them.

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>>82190632
begita bros, now's your time

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>>82203407
Outside of nijisanji males doing dick sucking ASMR, the majority of them are just regular streamers with anime avatars doing the same shit every other male streamer does. Having visuals that alienate the majority of that audience because the japanese are too retarded to do market research doesn't help anyone. It wouldn't be a massive buff; it wouldn't push some generic guy to Gura numbers just by virtue of looking like Bondrewd or whatever, but it would at least be something.

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I think males shouldn't be vtubers. If they for any reason don't want to show face, go nocam or png.

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>>82203950
> the majority of them are just regular streamers with anime avatars doing the same shit every other male streamer does

same with the girls, the problem isn't with the male streamers it's the male audience. look, the reality is people who watch vtubers regularly and have an "oshi" are looking for a girlfriend experience. Watching dudes make them feel gay because it's like matching a dude on tinder. the industry is pretty degenerate and probably will die as a fad over time.

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Take me back please...

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>>82183686
Who the fuck gave that seanigger twitter cock rider account any clout man. This fandom is as retarted as it is big sometimes

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I think only Holofags give a shit about literal no name faggots on this whole board. No other vtuber fanbase or company gives a shit about literal nobodies like Holofags do lmfao

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>>82204600
A long bygone era...

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>>82186727
Bruh that guy is a literally schizo, he probaly doens't even watches anyone

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>>82201258
What's your definition of unity? Miko said she hasn't talked with azki in 2 years.

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>>82201607
The hololive success came from luck and good timing, this probaly can happen with holostars too.

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>>82210032
I mean 90% of the girls will never publicly acknowledge the Stars let alone collab with them. There is never going to be a HoloFes where Stars and Holos are performing together for anything more than one side song with like FBK. The Stars are treated like leppers by most of the girls and Jurtard even revealed they are segregated behind the scenes, there is virtually no "HoloPro" unity overall, only very few talents ala Ollie and FBK.

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>>82210162
Never going to happen. The male vtuber market in the West is borderline non-existent compared to the female vtuber market. Even Luxiem who were the most "successful" Western male vtubers fell off hard once they lost their Chinese fans. The best chance for "good timing" was already taken by Luxiem anyways, Stars are likely just going to be around where they are with maybe an exception or two like Bettel and Ruze.

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>>82210162
no it will always be a dead weight branch

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>>82210162
You need to see the stats where they showed how vtubers are appealing between the genders and how the holostars aren't remotely acknowledged by men.

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>>82201532
>but streams are free
Even then they seem to have a hard time watching.

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>>82204298
>look, the reality is people who watch vtubers regularly and have an "oshi" are looking for a girlfriend experience.
I don't know why this is so hard for people to accept. Its the reality. The vtuber marker exists as it is because of lonely men. I'm lonely. I want to watch cute girls. I get what I need and I get to have a community around the cute girl.

Throw in a guy and yeah, I'm not going to lie, it doesn't feel the same. Is it pathetic? Yeah, of course it fucking is. I don't care, though. I accept it for what it is.

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>>82215351
>redditshit within a twittershit thread
Shitception?

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>>82215351
Yep, that's what makes all of this culture war so dumb. They never tune in where it actually counts. After all that drama about "Brave Liz pwning the unicorns", the Content Warning collab barely broke 8k across all 4 channels - most of the guys POVs were <1000. You'd think more Stars supporters would show up for the First Cross-Branch EN collab since Vesper quit, but no.

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>>82183984
I know ernoul but who's helmite?

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>>82200332
There is a rope awaiting you, make haste to it

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>>82190632
Goku is an unicorn, that why he never kissed his wife

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>>82216933
Watamate prime

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>>82183686
>Replying to @bannedvtmemes
How old is this screenshot? That account's been banned for months.

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>>82216933
someone that fights with beggars and holo antis from what i've seen from the seethe. some twitter tards come here to complain as if anyone gives a fuck.

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>>82222501
june 2023

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Leddit confuses me, Helmite and his team tells every homobeggar to fuck off, but won't help us dog pile the boys.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ejyzd4/comment/lgieqtj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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>>82223189
And responds multiple times to doxxfags seeking relevancy like that Duncan guy. Helmite is a faggot that helps no one. The fact he is civil with someone like ernoul who openly doxxes talents he doesn't like is telling of his character.

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>>82200969
>>82202420
>>82203407
You're kind of hitting on things I've been discussing elsewhere.
If they look at male fashion they could have nice designs. Like roberu, old pizza dad before the zoomer makeover, or fuma. Instead they go for "gotta stream at 4 but a pride March at 5" which is generally repulsive to everyone but fujos.
Like guys in suits, fantasy blacksmith, vaguely military looking uniform etc gets women wet and men like it too, even gay ones. Even vee's troll avatar is better than most male vtuber designs

The other issue is with content. Trying to copy the girls is a mistake. Look at the kind of content people watch guys for. Like sure the most popular streamers do video games and react shit, but there are some things men can do better than women. Like pizza dad's education streams were peak. They might actually do better with edited videos on some niche autistic topic. Like if one of them explained gundam in autistic detail like arch does with Warhammer, and did gunpla streams, they'd do great.

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I mostly watch clips.

No I don't care about being a live viewer.

No I don't care about my comment being read.

No I don't buy memberships.

I value my time and I refuse to give any money to google or amazon. And I don't care if you soi out about it.

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>>82201532
>>82201276
bandwidths are not retard

>>82226761
based

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>>82183686
KYS ernoultranny

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>Faggots here support doxxer bvtm ernoul

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>>82225818
Stay on Twitter, sister.

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>>82211879
HoloPro is a thing created by cover to mud the waters and make Stars seem part of a succesfull thing leeching of Hololive success.

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>>82204600
Bet this Jannie got fired for doing his actual job.

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>>82230135
Keep doxxing talents, ernoul, see where it gets you. If you're helmite, I'm disappointed in you giving so much relevancy to antis and bait accounts you fucking hypocrite.

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>>82226761
Good thing Fuwamoco only cares about getting sub numbers, the quality of the content or subs is an afterthought for them

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>>82225818
holy kek. anon was right. beggars really are malding. maybe if you retards didn't lie about holo fans all the time your boys would get more attention.

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>>82230552
>image = you watch that streamer
Nah I just save images I like

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>>82230456
You sound like a retard, anon.

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Whomst the fucketh and why are you guys know these people? Go clean your room instead

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>>82183686
Both of these people are retards.

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>>82204628
you mean phase fandom?

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>>82204968
hello phasefag

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>>82230736
What makes you think I give a shit about homos?

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>>82231703
>>82231792
RENT

FREE

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>>82183686
>>82215351
>Catalog Twitter thread with fuking who's from a year ago
>Reddit SS shit reply from a year ago too.
NIGGER
FAGGOTS
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
ALL OF YOU ARE RAGING HOMOSEXUALS

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>>82203950
>the majority of them are just regular streamers with anime avatars doing the same shit every other male streamer does
Exactly, why should i watch any male vtubers then if i can just watch the tens of thousands of other flesh streamers who are doing the same thing and probably better?
Meanwhile if you compare the female vtuber and flesh streamer side it's pretty rare to find a female flesh streamers that actually plays games and be entertaining instead of just coombait and farm only fans subs, and that issue is starting to spread to the indie female vtubers side now too which is another reason why hololive remains so successful.

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>>82232359
>got deleted in /#/
>runs to the catalog