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What stage are we at now lads

>> No.8211174

>>8211132
But this hobby began with females. The first vtuber was female. The first popular vtuber is female. The current popular vtuber is female.

>> No.8211278

>>8211174
I can't believe you suck at darts

>> No.8211295

OP is a faggot

>> No.8211316

>>8211132
holoshit is red guy in a cap

>> No.8211325

God I hate women

>> No.8211340

>>8211132
>game

>> No.8211372
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8211372

i joined at stage 5 so you're fucked, losers
me and my normie army will push you to extinction.

>> No.8211477

We'll have to flip the script here a little, because this was a hobby designed for and built by girls. We're probably nearing the first on the bottom, with big subcount e-thots jumping onto the train once they caught a whiff of the attention and money to be gained.
Calling it now, by the end of the year some honest to god celebrity will jump on the train and it'll be downhill from there.

>> No.8211479

>>8211132
Very clearly either late stage 5 or early 6.

>> No.8212019

>>8211174
What about YouTube as hobby? It began with males. The first YouTuber was male. The first popular YouTuber is male. The current popular YouTuber is male.

>> No.8212065

>>8211132
Anime disproves this no? Heavy girl involvement as early as the 70s.

>> No.8212092

>>8211132
I act like the last guy to join with the hat to piss off retards from here

>> No.8212141

>>8211132
this but instead with normies, it's EOPs and clipfags running the show now.

>> No.8212164

>>8211132

6 transitioning into 7
In b4 another retard has a massive spergout about this avcurate picture being posted

>> No.8212184

>>8212141
God bless clipchads.

>> No.8212223

>>8212019
You’re just moving the goalposts now

>> No.8212496

>>8211132
Stage 3, but surprisingly many greens get assimilated into browns or leave of their own volition. So far, the greens have not reached critical mass and depending on the debut's of EN 2 we might even see that we have reached peak VTubing which means that the hobby will be safe for all future. Without growth, no greens luring in pinks.

>> No.8212570

>>8211132
I found out about vtbing with Vshoujo so six going into seven and I’m stay here

>> No.8212694

>>8211132
This really just feels like someone had a bad experience with a D&D group.

>> No.8212739

>>8211132
Some will say stage 5 or 6. But really we're still at stage 3 or 4.

>> No.8212826
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8212826

Stop posting this retarded picture that has never been true (and is about board games anyway)

>> No.8212895

>>8211132
>people you don't like start playing game you like
>you stop playing the game
peak autism

>> No.8212940

>>8212895
>Keep playing the game even though it's inundated by faggots who ruin the experience that originally made you enjoy it
Why though?

>> No.8212987

>>8212940
How are retards supposed to keep me from having fun with my oshi? Chat is always insufferable so it’s not like that will ever change

>> No.8213082
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>>8212987
>>8212940
Not even retards or faggots, the argument is about women and chads lmao this picture is so stupid

>> No.8215259

>>8212826
It's been true for every nerdy hobby since 1974.

>> No.8215309

>>8215259
Name 5

>> No.8215450

>>8215309
Dungeons and Dragons (PnP RPGs in general)
Warhammer
Star Wars
Board Games (as mentioned)
Video Games
Comic Books

>> No.8215575

>>8215450
Doing fine
Was ruined from the start
Same
Doing fine
Always were shit
Always were shit

>> No.8215684

>>8215575
The DnD fandom is pretty shit right now. It's actually not about playing the game anymore but making content (YT videos like CR).
I've tried DMing random groups in my local store before and the number one complaint that people had was that I was 'doing it wrong' and proceed to show me Mat Mercer.
Nigga, I've been DMing for 14 years. I hate these kids coming in and telling me I'm wrong. Fuck off.

>> No.8215695

>>8215259
vtubing isn't a hobby, it's a corporate product where the state of the community has no impact on the quality of the presentation

>> No.8215780

>>8211174
The first vtuber was female, but the fanbase was male

>> No.8215826
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8215826

>>8215684
Ok boomer

>> No.8215947

>>8215684
It's hilarious to me that if you search that picture on tg you will find it being used years before cr took off. But now it's totally about the consequences of d&d being popular again thanks to YouTube

>> No.8216119

>>8211132
this image sucks super hard for a lot of things, vtubers being one of them.

>> No.8216220

>>8215695
I mean, indie vtubers exist, not that you can really apply the OP image to that either.

>> No.8216276
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8216276

>>8211132
Did you notice it anons?

The transition to Stage 4 has begun. Look around the comment sections of most Holo clips. Females. Females as far as the eye can see. They're fucking everywhere. It might take a few years before stage 5 though. Vtubers seems to be a surprisingly resiliant thing that chads will be reluctant to join. Benefits of being normie-unfriendly.

>> No.8216333

>>8216220
It's really shit because it assumes the viewers are the drivers of the experience, when they're parasitic passengers at best. If you're not a vtuber, artist or rigger you're nothing

>> No.8216406

>>8216333
>entertainers don't change what they do based on what attracts a bigger audience
Anon...

>> No.8216589

>>8216406
>go to chat
>spam shitty jokes with cheap runescape gold superchats
>get ignored
All the best vtubers dominating the market are the ones that shut down retarded fans and do what they want, GFE and no-backbone streamers are middle of the pack at their best

>> No.8216622

>>8211132
This very board exists because we looped through it already once.

>> No.8216643

>>8216589
First off GFE is good, get fucked globalfaggot. Second Rushia is the most successful vtuber in the world, so your own theory doesn't even hold up.

kys

>> No.8216668

>>8216276
>It might take a few years before stage 5 though.
No. Big corporations are already looking into turning their mascots into Vtubers. Once the anime/idol culture filter comes off, normies will invade en masse. We have two more years at most.

>> No.8216670

>>8211132
We've been at stage 6 since Holofags became the majority

>> No.8216778

>>8216670
Nah, you're scale is off. Vtubers are nowhere near mainstream yet. The Holoboom was the definition of Stage 3. We're at 4 now as females finf it.

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8216813

>>8216643
which EN ignored your marriage proposal?

>> No.8216857

>>8216813
Ina.
I'll never forgive her.

>> No.8216901

>>8216778
It's a soft stage 6, but it's still got the core "new people crowding out the old ones and getting mad at the old people for not conforming to their standards while also ruining the actual material behind the hobby as it changes to appeal to them" concept.
Also the entire concept of vtubers is "females looking for attention", so the normal scale can't be applied in the first place.

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>>8211372
bubble burst. we're going back to comfy kino. you have to go back

>> No.8217009

>>8211132
When third world countries start partaking in first world hobbies, that's the point where it dies.

>> No.8217125

The hobby isn't the vtuber, the hobby is being a fan. Until you see normie females texting each other about how they throw money at some vtuber it'll stay niche and thereby protected. At least until the corporate sponsors start to take over, at which point forget the stages because it's dead and rotting and you just haven't smelled the decay of the corpse yet.

>> No.8217251

Its an interesting point, I don't want to discount the shitpost in OP because anecdotally I've seen it happen but what if the hobby already has females from the start?
Knitting has been popular particularly with women, are men replacing the girls in OP in that hobby? Vtubing already breaks this convention as others have mentioned but /vt/ keeps screaming about mainstream influence and normies, I don't see it. I see corporate vtubing struggling with underlying problem for businesses in the vtuber game: the environment is not exactly “brandsafe" so its hard for them to convince sponsors and make deal with advertisers. Hence the "bleach" so to speak of making the industry and the hobby more sterile and normie friendly.

>> No.8218031

>>8211132
Way past the no return point. I'm back to /jp/

>> No.8218120

>>8217125
>Until you see normie females texting each other about how they throw money at some vtuber
I saw this 6 months ago

>> No.8218176

>buhhh this hobby was about women in the first place
read the paragraphs
>females join the vast majority male hobby in an effort to not [watch chuubas] but to attract attention
/vt/ hit stage 4 in March or even earlier, when hlgg retards started white knighting for attention whore "femanons" who were totally going to be the next holo gen, without having anything to show for it.

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8218452

>>8211132
Starting with OP's question. I would say this image doesn't apply mainly because it is a hobby dedicated and dictated by simping to women. The simps make the rules, and the casuals have to shut the fuck up. However if I had to choose, I would say stage 2.
The Western owned and operated Vtubers have added being a whore into it a little more. I think it's fair to say Vtubers are popular because it's nice to pretend women aren't obnoxious, hedonistic, small-minded, lecherous whores.
So naturally that is what the simps pay for. That's why Hololive is so popular despite the relatively long existence of Western Vtube companies like Vshojo. It's because Hololive keeps their bitches in check. But it doesn't keep them in check so much that they're boring and uninteresting. However it stops them from going full on whore mode.
Where I think this may go awry is if a bunch normie zoomers get in to watching vtube, the collective weight of their entry level sales job paychecks might tip the scales in the Yabai direction. Which might make English vtubers, and for many watching livestreams, impossible. But I think it'll be a cold day in hell before the JP chuubas turn into harlots. Most likely it will happen at the eventual mongrelization of Japan, which I think is already starting. Although I did read a book once (called "The next hundred years" by George Friedman) that said Bushido fascism might be coming back so maybe out chuubas will remain pure indefinitely.

Now I want
I hate this image with a passion. I agree with it on the point that women do things for attention and by proxy make these things worse.
However, I get mad at the crabs in a bucket mentality that these self-identified "nerd" men have.
I guarantee you if a guy wants to pick up women or do drugs, he doesn't need to get into a nerdy hobby. Even of he wants to do something while under the influence, there are countless activities that he could do which don't require him to put in nearly as much effort.
The truth is the "dudebro" is more often than not a guy who enjoys your hobby that also takes care of himself, unlike the self-important "core members", for whom unhealthiness is a virtue. Because, for whatever reason, they are unhealthy physically and mentally. Now, much love to the people out there with hardwired mental problems like autism, but if you're some depressed person you can usually fix that shit by living properly.
Anyways, it's often jealousy or a sense of inferiority, that makes the "core members" feel unwelcome, not the fact that the green and brown dudes are muscling in on them.
It's like how my sister was once a fun-loving "liberated" woman and now that she's single, and too old to be doing that shit, is hyper-religious and is very of any women who look beautiful calling them sluts and whores. It's a cope for someone who made their own problems. But they put their own insecurities on to other people by calling them impure or critiquing how they choose to be.
Not to mention that if the two black guys were so happy before they can just go back to playing with each other. And I already know what someone is gonna say, basically that the non-core members join and influence the progression of the hobby such that it is no longer playable. In instances like Magic the Gathering or Star Wars how those both suck.
In that example I would say that anything built around a culture of consumption is destined for that fate. These are hobbies meant to sell shit. You never owned the damn hobby, you just bought a product and getting mad over "consume product" is cringe to me.
The last thing which pisses me off abt this image is that it's so defeatist. The reality is, as sad as it may be, that things change. I don't like it, but crying about it only keeps you trapped in a cycle of misery. No one is saying you have to be a normalfag, but maybe it's best to accept that being an outsider means being a nomad.

>> No.8218456

>>8211174
Playboy also featured female models

>> No.8218558

>>8218456
Playboy is a hobby?

>> No.8218585

>>8211132
Hololive itself is stage 4/5 already. Everyone who convices themselves that Hololive isn't the thing that brought in the casuals is coping.

>> No.8218683

>>8218558
if watching vtubers is a hobby, then yes

>> No.8219010

This image is so wrong in so many levels and i can't believe 4chan still use it to justify their own autism. Gamergate was a fucking mistake.

>> No.8219039

>>8217251
This image only applies to traditionally male nerdy hobbies.
Like seriously. If I had to take a guess at the original context it was probably 4th edition D&D

>> No.8219066

>>8218558
No, masturbation is a competitive sport.
And I am winning.

>> No.8219085

>>8216589
>His oshi didn't read his comment
>Sperg out
Maybe because you're a massive creepy faggot, stay mad nigga

>> No.8219117

>>8217009
Glad you're calling out burgers

>> No.8219432

>>8211132
Stage 6. I'm about to jump ship.

>> No.8219470

>>8218452
Extremely based

>> No.8219616

>>8211132
Around Cycle 4 Stage 6.

>> No.8219670

>>8216813
Kiara
Simple as

>> No.8219679

vtubing was good until idolshit and its baggage ruined it

>> No.8219775

>>8219679
cuuuuuuck

>> No.8219838

>>8211132
the creation of /vt/ is litteraly the end of this chain. all you faggots are on the second loop of this retardation

>> No.8220158

>>8211132
5 or 6 without a doubt, anyone saying otherwise is in denial. Gura is in a fucking tacobell commercial that airs on television. The biggest growing western vtubers are girls who talk about tasting cum and dicks, normie youtubers have long since tried to simp in multiple top vtubers chats for attention, fucking third world ESLs flooded the fanbase over a year ago even.

>> No.8220307

How dense can you fucks be. So what if a female joins as long as she a degen like the rest. We're all usernames on youtube anyway. The main point it that a hobby goes casual and the community changes. Just look at shit like gura's swimsuit or spergs on twitter getting mad at Irys saying trap. It's not like holo is going to agree with them but they will more likely then not simply push the topic away to never be mentioned again so, in the end they still get what they wanted.

>>8211132
The first iteration ended when it got popular in japan. The second iteration ended when it got popular with english speakers. This is the third iteration and it's around 4 to 6 right now.

>> No.8220495

>>8220307
>he still doesnt understand the point of "there is no girls on the internet"

>> No.8221141

>>8220495
I get the point dipshit. There's no point in saying you're a girl unless you want attention which is why people say tits or gtfo. This comic isn't about people saying they're a girl. And I don't know what vt streams you watch where chat is commenting with "as a girl...". It doesn't relate.

>> No.8221355

>>8211132
with the amount of dramafag menheras
prolly the last one from the outset

>> No.8222096

>>8212940
You might be retarded anon

>> No.8222148

>>8211477
>He doesn't know one of the holos is Avril Lavigne

>> No.8224785

>>8211132
But women have been here the whole time, OP, you bundle of sticks

>> No.8224832

>>8211132
This but instead of normies it's /vt/ards and faggots who use "lads"

>> No.8228347

>>8218452
>But I think it'll be a cold day in hell before the JP chuubas turn into harlots
They have been from the start lol. At least as often as EN chuubas

>> No.8228417

>>8211132
It’s not a fanbase or a hobby, it’s always been a corporate product

>> No.8228765

>>8228347
Shit, there are holo chuubas with active roomate accounts doing the exact thing /vt/ bitches about 3DPD but "It's fine though". The absolute state of them.

>> No.8228789

>>8211132
I'm not reading that shit

>> No.8229531

>>8215695
China proves this wrong

>> No.8229923

>>8219679
>until
That's what it started as

>> No.8230024

>>8222148
I knew her opsec was too good.

>> No.8230161

>>8211174
The first vtuber was a dude jerking off.

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>>8229531
I don't know, even if the audience is a bunch of brainwashed zhangs the chuubas can be pretty based

>> No.8234471

>>8217125
Consuming media is not a real hobby.

>> No.8234497

>>8211132
I never got why the two black stickman don't just continue playing with themselves?

>> No.8234543

>>8218176
Koopa was actually based though. That is, before she got groomed and became a whore.

>> No.8234830

Anyone got that old picture of that faggot whining about the cool kids that found his VHS collection of anime and now anime bad because the jocks like it?

>> No.8234981

>>8234497
The illustrations aren't meant to be taken literally. More often than not green is not invited to the group/community by choice, he just was for this specific example.

>> No.8235031

>>8211132
I honestly find it hilarious that you guys think girls get into your hobby because they are trying to have sex with you. Imagine having that high of an opinion of yourself.

Does it blow your mind that some females just enjoy things that you also enjoy? Consider how many Hololive talents were fans before joining the agency.

>> No.8235372

>>8215575
>this poster is obviously a reptillian

>> No.8235426

>>8212019
But there were MANY popular female youtubers even in the early days of the platform.

Some are still making content. You're full of shit.

>> No.8235470

>>8235031
W*men are incapable of enjoying things other than as a method of gaining the attention of others.

>> No.8235733

>>8211132
Stage 3, slowly turning to Stage 4 (just need a big enough twitter-freakout to seal the deal)

>> No.8235918

>>8211132
the picture needs some corrections to be applicable to vtubers
>stage 4 needs to be about m*les inserting themselves into the hobby, ruining the GFE and trying to fuck your oshi
>stage 5 are the thots that follow and talk about sucking dick and farting all stream

>> No.8235994

>>8235918
there were male vtubers before you got into vtubers anon

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