what happened to the penguin?

[Anonymous No.]

>had the fastest growth on debut among her wave
>now slowed right down
>selen growing faster than petra and now has surpassed her

[Anonymous No.]

Selen has a personality

[Anonymous No.]

Gura killer Gura killer

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>>7970942
There's two other penguin anti threads on the board right now, if any of you bump this thread instead of sage-ing you're either a Holobrony or a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Selen good, penguin cringe

[Anonymous No.]

Selen is actually entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970942
Chink boost wore off

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970942
The penguin is boring. She's all design, no personality.

[Anonymous No.]

Good model and UOOOOH only get you so far so fast if you cant back it.

[Anonymous No.]

This proved design is not everything

[Anonymous No.]

Can you holofags fuck off and go back to baiting with your own vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970982
She's more fun and plays better games than all the big vtuber companies combined.

[Anonymous No.]

Go Selen go!

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>>7970942
God I wish my startup oshi could get 100K

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>>7970942
Selen is a gamer, plays Starcraft, makes my day better with her laugh, not overly toxic or pessimistic. I hope she reaches 10k viewers soon and carries her gen. Rosemi is a gamer too, so I enjoy her streams sometimes. Petra is streaming something she doesn't know much about. She died 91 times at last horror stream, and I got bored watching it. I think she needs to stream some otome games or something. But ovrall she doesn't seem to mind decreasing views, so she is fine staying triple digit. Being humble is a talent too anon

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>>7971343
Nice cope. This post isn't even bait it's actually a good demonstration that personality matters and a chuubas design, while helpful, cannot carry them alone. You can just go on blaming holobronies though.

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>>7970942
She did literally everything wrong. Everything. You could pick a random crackwhore off the street and she would do better than Peter.

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>>7970942
Turns out she has the personality of a wet sponge. A cute and funny design can only get you so far.

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>>7971343
>Everything that that makes Nijisanji looks bad is falseflags.
Fuck off.

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>>7971917
Everything that makes Hololive look bad is also falseflaggers, you're posting a board where the majority of people don't watch streams and just want to farm (You)s

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>>7970942
Not trying to attack nijisanji but if Selen was in holoEN she would've broken 1 million subs already. Tomboy gamer personality, fun streams and zero GFE to balance out hololive's GFE vtubers. Diamond in the indie rough basically.

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>>7970942
All she has going for her is a cute design. Selen's model is a hideous eyesore, but at least she's interesting.

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>>7970942
>join Nijisanji EN
>pander to JOPs
I wonder why the EN audience is leaving.

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>>7971600
>not overly toxic
If she wasn't EN, she would've gotten flamed already for her behaviour.

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>>7970942
It's super obvious. She had the best design and there were some rumors that she was Shachi. Once she actually debuted we found out she was some obscure person who's kind of boring and likes to pander to Japanese fans a lot of the time. Rosemi will probably surpass Petra eventually as well.

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>>7970942
Niji Anya.

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Selen is probably the most normie friendly & accessible major corpo vtuber on Youtube right now. Mostly just talks about the game and cracks jokes, doesn't bait goslings or GFE, doesn't really acknowledge otaku culture, and plays a lot of games that are popular in the west. She's also one of the more experienced gamers on the EN side of vtubing so people who actually want to see decent gameplay are more interested.

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>>7973387
I hate that you’re right but I still like her

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>>7970942
Selen is just much better than everyone, it's that simple

[Anonymous No.]

Everytime I try to watch the penguin she is talking in japanese and pandering to her jp viewers.

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>>7973479
It's not a bad thing, it's a market vtubers haven't really reached yet, and I'm happy she's succeeding at it.

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>>7973479
All I mean by it is that she's naturally going to incline because she hits a much wider demographic than the others. It's not Petra or Rosemi's fault for trailing behind, they both have their own niches.

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>>7973688
the other 2 don't have a niche, Selen is the "apex streamer" yet even her other games are much better than the other 2. Starcraft? Metal Slug? Serious Sam? Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970942
Cunny isn’t everything.
Petra was overhyped.

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>>7973387

So she's the Botan of Nijisanji?

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>>7970942
I followed Petra for cunny but unfollowed later for trying to be japanese so hard. Also she have zero personality.

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>>7970942
Tell me about Petra
Why does she pander so hard to JOPs?

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>>7973819
Sort of I guess? It's hard to make a direct comparison to any Holo because they're all still marketed as idols and the nijis explicitly aren't. Selen's also a lot younger than Botan which probably makes her a little more appealing to zoomer ironyweebs.

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>>7973853
Every branch has EOP panderers that try to siphon english listeners' attention towards their branch. Petra's just doing that in reverse. Most of her content is still in english. JOP interest in the English branch is a good thing, most of Niji's current fanbase is japanese anyway.

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>>7973819
Yes, she is practically EN Botan, just more energetic, maybe a look at what a younger Botan might have been like.

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>>7973819
Essentially, she is like a younger Botan. Slightly less chill, slightly more excitable. Could be better in certain games (it’s hard to compare since Botan hasn’t really tried hard for a long time), but not as well rounded in gaming in general

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>>7973819
No, she speaks in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>Weird Voice
>Weird Laugh
I really don't see Selen's appeal. her game selection is good sure. but im pretty sure people only like her because she's a woman. if she was a dude nobody would care

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>>7974235
If she was a dude she'd probably do even better

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>>7973916
This. But eop retards aren't able to think much or straight up don't know this happens.

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>>7974235
>plays games that people like instead of fucking fall guys for the nth time
>plays games well
>laughs a lot which makes a good mood in her streams
BUT PEOPLE LIKE HER BECAUSE SHE HAS A VAGINA THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN SEE

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>>7973220
She panders to JOP so much that she speaks mostly english by far. I'm EOP and I can get into it. She's in no level like Hana or Hada who speak 100% of english in the KR and ID branches.

>>7973313
Bold of you to assume Rosemi will surpass her when Petra keep getting more subs every week and Rosemi has a lot of days without any. Petra has 5 different clipper channels with one big one that get between 7k to 2k views depending on the clip so she's fine to grow.

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>>7974235
I hate Selen because she canceled the RE4 playthrough. She should have given management and Capcom an ultimatum that she could finish the game or turn her fanbase against their business and bring them both to ruin

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>>7970942
cunny = no lewds = no buy

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>>7974235
If people only thought with their penis, Selen would be the least popular, and Rosemi probably the most popular.

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>>7970942
I want to breed her so badly while she laughs

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>>7973387
Oh so that's why I like her. Damn. Guess I don't belong here...

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>>7974701
>”I’m EOP”
ESLchama you can’t hide behind your shit English

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>>7974235
It's weird but it's not repulsive weird more like unique weird and she manage it well and know how to keep chat engaged with it.

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>>7972403
If selen was in holo en she wouldn't be able to say half the things she's said on stream.

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>>7973479
>I hate that you’re right but I still like her
I mean there's nothing really wrong with what she's said.
>>7970942
>what happened to the penguin?
Real answer?
Real, actual, no-fucking-jokes answer?
Everything that is core to her interests and close to her heart she cannot do on stream.
Massively into Niji as a company, isn't allowed to go on their shows.
Massively into Otomege, can't stream them because 90% of all are either impossible to get permissions from, NWS or on consoles and thus triple mega uber verboten.

Whereas Selen's interests she can easily show to everyone all the time and have both company and management approve.
That is a massive fucking boost.

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>>7970942
As is should be, the fact that pengu has more subs than Rosemi is a crime.

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>>7974235
>if she was a dude nobody would care
Her appeal is precisely that she *is* very close to an excitable dude.
Tomboy, as others said.
She's someone you want to fool around with and harass endlessly as a way to deepen your friendship with her.

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>>7971749
>personality matters

Then why does Gura have so many subs she’s boring as shit?

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>>7975287
Because she is not?

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>>7975287
you’ve never watched Gura you just dislike her because she’s popular

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>>7975154
I’d say more like a dyke.

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>>7975287
1. Hololive buff
2. Hololive EN buff
3. Hololive EN first gen buff
4. Cute avatar buff
5. Previous identity buff

That's pretty much it. Other than that, she is a decent streamer, but that's not the reason why she is so popular.

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>>7975361
And there it is the moment you point out she’s in fact boring the simps start talking about her popularity the double standard is fucking hilarious. It’s wild to me that people act like she isn’t carried by design.

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>>7975287
Did you even watch her streams?
Or are you just thread-reader?

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>>7975374
voice

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>>7975374
Gura is popular even before Hololive.

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>>7973387
Exactly, Petra filters EoPs funny enough, but it's more of a cultural thing. She's fine to me because I like JP culture and don't mind quieter personalities. My only hope is that she becomes more comfortable with herself because I think she's fine otherwise, but I'm not the typical western audience.
>>7973819
Botan is just like the rest of the holos, aside from her character she's only different in her taste in games. She doesn't have a "loud" personality like Selen, she's quite the opposite and uses more subdued, observational humor. They're nothing alike. Botan is just very level-headed and good at being professional, so she's easy to present for any audience.

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>>7975287
Because of who Gura was before Hololive, when she used to be more entertaining.

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>>7975480
Yes. But of course that doesn't mean that ALL of her previous fans transferred to Gura's subs. I'd say about 10-30% of them. It was a good boost at the beginning, but only a small part of her current subs.

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>>7975429
I watched them I even watched that boring ass stream with Nacho.

[Anonymous No.]

Cream settles at the top.
Simple asl.

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>>7970942
Loli-boost can't help a deadfish forever

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>>7975100
God I hate how otome is so inaccessible if you don't have the consoles, I like the genre and am able to enjoy even the shitty ones without any irony, I would love to see Petra doing runs of these sorts of games, but it's already hard to find translated games, let alone those you can stream.

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>>7970942
Why is Penguin so boring?

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>>7970942
The power of cunny can only carry you so far

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>>7975976
Personality matters

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>>7975374
>That's pretty much it
That's like admitting having a straight flush. You literally can't have more going for you as Gura has.

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>>7970993
>Gura Killer

Can someone link the penguin channel for me?

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>>7975779
Ayep. It's also often on literally who consoles like the Wii U or the ill-fated Vita or who even knows anymore what kind of shit.
Otomege is probably one of the hardest genres to get into because you need to have "Console gamer" as a big part of your hobby to even get access to a big part of it.
Doesn't help that every so often a manufacturer decides to kick that shit off their platform for spurious reasons.
You pretty much have to own everything or even SSS-tier nip skills won't help you.

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>>7970942
Mocca...

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>>7976103
Penguin so obscure he can't even find it...

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>>7973387
>Selen is probably the most normie friendly & accessible major corpo vtuber on Youtube right now
Do you just pretend Hololive doesn't exist or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>7976146
Not her fault he doesn't know how to read.

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>>7976103
Can't find it either.

Where do people find these indies?

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>>7976146
So obscure that her name is in OP's image.

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>>7976244
Idol shit absolutely filters normalfags and even if the ENs aren't really idol-like they are all socially awkward weeb bait. This isn't a criticism it's just how they are.

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>>7976831
>filters out
Anon no offense but this is dumb.

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>>7971395
>Shovel Knight
>Onimusha
>Metal Slug
>Serious Sam
>Tried to do RE4 until Crapcom kicked in
>Starcraft
Yeah, it's a pretty kino game selection.

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>>7976831
Gura panders to kids (easiest youtube audience for getting big numbers)
Ame is just a normal streamer who used to be a twitch thot, nobody outside of /vt/ sees her as GFE
Mori is popular with turbo-normies who listen to mumble rap

The only odd ones out are Kiara and Ina.

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>>7972403
If Selen was in Holo she would be playing more Apex while waiting for permissions. As a Niji she doesn't have to monetize a stream and play certain games more easily/sooner.

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>>7977092
>western normies with little or no knowledge of anime/otaku culture not being filtered by idolshit
Yeah okay dude

[Anonymous No.]

I thought people were turning on Petrta because she muted her RFA stream and (allegedly) took away her R18 tag

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>>7977312
Anon, Western normies wouldn't even know what the fuck JP idols are. You are thinking about /pol/fags who cried about "women objectification" and "muh unicorn" shits

[Anonymous No.]

She's Chinese. No one in the anime fandom likes those shitters anymore. Wonder why.

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>>7977312
No one in holoEN is an idol so this is irrelevant. Not even the JP side is very idol-like besides Sora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977521
Surely the chinese would watch her right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977521
Selen is too tho you guys were literally bitching about them both being Chinese like 2 weeks ago. It’s like you guys have the minds of goldfish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970998
Gurakiller gurakiller lmao lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977588
>you guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977654
Sorry
You retards*

[Anonymous No.]

>>7973387
>normie friendly
Why are people here acting like this is a good thing? If I want normie friendly I might as well just turn on TV. And also there are other Ways to bait besides GFE anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977697
Much better

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>>7970942
Design vs personality/energy. People come back for personality. A design can only take you so far.

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>>7977588
She panders hard to normies like someone else said. She may be a good streamer, but it's only a matter of time before the invasion of Taiwan starts and she's demanding Japan get nuked just like the rest of them did just before the Olympics.

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>>7970942
Petra was getting by just her design alone.

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>>7970982
This anon gets it

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>>7977588
You listen to the shit schizos say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7975373
Ironically she is one of the only two straight members of nijiEN (the other being petra).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977724
HoloEn barely know any anime anon. The only one with passing otaku knowledge is Ina, the rest would struggle to name more than 10 anime names.

[Anonymous No.]

penguin is a CCP sympathizer while Selen is a good chink that actually has the skills to back up her banter

[Anonymous No.]

Oh look, another numberfag thread!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7977588
>he doesn't know the difference between canadian chinese

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>>7970942
cunny buff wore off, alongside that selen has shown that she is highly skilled at apex (not just among vtubers, but the playerbase) and has a more bold personality. petra's being more mild as well as her frequent JOP pandering put her at the same level as rosemi who has an ESL debuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7979526
Kiara was and is a weeb who went to a lot of anime convention. She knows about anime.v4gsy

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970942
Meritocracy just kicked in, dawg. Selen was always the objectively superior streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970982
fpbp

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>>7977741
>Design vs personality
i like Selen's design, but her personality makes it shine. i regularly check her art tag for new art and she is the ONLY vtuber i bother to do it for.

do not care "cute", but about soulless doll, cunnyfags can live her to themself

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys mean otome games are only on console? Elira just played the reverse nekopara the other day, and there are things like cinderella phenomenom in steam too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7975287
she is a beacon of light for the cunny-starved normies

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>>7970942
It was a mystery why she was so fucking far ahead in the first place really, it was literally just carry by her design while Selen's is the oddest-looking of the bunch so was weighed down. For most viewers this isn't their first vtuber rodeo, and a lot of them just went "cute penguin girl!!" and tried watching her streams but weren't really all that satisfied whether they admit it or not. Most of the vtuber """community""" is in permanent overbearing obnoxious whiteknight mode, aka NO confrontration/hot opinions ever, so those people will never admit it besides places like here that Petra is kinda boring. Cute but that's not enough to hang onto people long-term necessarily, not when they hear about how crazy fun Selen is.

The swinging of the subs to Selen speaks for those too ball-less to say their feelings out loud at least. Now that we've had time to see them, Selen has more personality than the rest of her mini-gen combined, and more Apex skill in her pinky finger than most of Nijisanji combined - so that really did it to break her out. Petra both streams at bad times and her content is just blah, bleh, she's .. a very normal person with a boring personality.

As for Rosemi who both has an excellent design and cute voice? I dunno.. rosemi...

Actually I do know, her voice is actually not that cute sounding to many. I think it is but apparently that's not ubiquitous, and yeah I do think it's not as cute as Petra's. Rosemi's bumbling childlike personality with Petra's voice could have been the killer combo but that's just not how it rolled out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7972403
Pros:
>she'd be wealthier due to her SC income doubling or tripling

Cons:
>non-stop Apex streams because of permissions autism
>hearing her laugh dampened or missing because one of the tiny dicked Jap/Chink hybrids in Cover's management went off on her
>constantly stopping to police her language lest she get 'bonked' by that same vile management monitoring her streams like a comissar
>playing 4th fiddle to a JP branch she's expected to suck the dick of despite not really knowing them
Yeah, no. Particularly for HoloEN I can guarantee you the girls are sticking with the brand for the sake of the cash, not for any creative advantage. I used to think Mori was entitled for her talk about being kept in a bubble but holy shit she was actually being generous with her tone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7979555
She's such a CCP sympathizer that she retweeted Free HK. Imagine being that retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7990938
>Cute but that's not enough to hang onto people long-term necessarily, not when they hear about how crazy fun Selen is.
Unless she's streaming to 50 people, it's more than enough. Even if she ever reach like idk, 500 viewers, that's still good.
> Petra both streams at bad times
She lives in a complete different timezone

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970942
she´s boring as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970942
Won't stop speaking Japanese despite being Niji EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7974235
>because she's a woman
If you told me she was an underage male teenager in highschool, it would not surprise me in the least

[Anonymous No.]

>>7970982
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>7974235
she is overhyped
people say the selection of games is good but she wont finish half of them and then she will hit the wall and will stream boring shit and fill the rest of the schedule with apex.
NijiEn is just too afraid of long runing series for games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7997021
>she wont finish half of them
like what

[Anonymous No.]

>>7997021
Nigger, she literally said she hates leaving games incomplete and tries her best to finish them before moving on and other than RE4 which is thanks to Capcom she's kept her promise so far.