/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

ERB is the tipping point for Vtubing. If we don't kick her and her fans out the hobby will forever be casualized for normies and made unrecognizable. Soon vtubers will just be exactly the same as flesh tubers.

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me btw

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>>79247885
The hobby has already been casualized for quite a while, sadly

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>>79247885
you said that with mori

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>>79247885
I love how this shitpost still has gramma errors but idiots keep using it without missing the point that something never growing also dies and tge gatekeeper usually are the worse browns.

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>>79247885
Whim was right

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>>79247885
You fucking retard and your futile muh seeecrit clab gatekeeping bullshit.
ERB is a drop in the water of what the effect twitch vtubers have on the entirety of the subculture. No matter how hard you try to maintain your little walled garden, you won't be able to stop vtubing as a whole becoming closely tied with irl streaming.
PL talk, irl face reveals and con attendances, collabs with fleshstreamers both male and female, they won't go away. They will spread because a the amount of people who like them vastly outnumber the 2D GFE chuds.

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>>79247885
>ERB is the tipping point for Vtubing
LMAO. Vtubing is in stage 6 already

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>>79247885
Hololive JP gen 0,1 and 2 all collabed with males before they remembered that they are "le idols" and ignored male collabs.
I'm not for male collabs because male vtubers are just dogshit for the most part, but don't pretend like the latest holo gen is reinventing the entire hobby.

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I follow vtubing since the start of Kizuna Ai so to me Vtubing already changed and full of normie and I don't care.

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>>79247885
Buddy, Pippa and her audience did 100x more damage to this hobby than this autistic fujo. All i see on top twitch list with vtuber tag is Ironmouse and "vtubers" that stream more with their IRL shit than their model. Her future "collabs" with males(if they even happen) won't even make 1% of her content

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>>79249878
Same for me. But then I go to work and nobody knows any vtuber.
It just feels "normie" online. But the true normies irl still don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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>>79247885
shut up fag

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>>79247885
Everyone who starts liking things after I did is a normie poser shiteater casual who's ruining the fandom. Simple as.

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>>79247885
When Westerners got involved in vtubing, that was the real tipping point for vtubing.

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>>79247885
holoEN was the tipping point.

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>>79250037
Yeah internet normalfag are still different from real life normalfag. What we considered normie are just casual weeb that only watch shonenshit because it's popular and play chink mobage.

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>>79247885
Nijisanji lost

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we need more white women

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>>79247885
>we

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meds

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>>79247885
Fubuki Scatman and Miko GTA clips blowing up was the tipping point.

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>>79247885
I have bad news for you unitards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QPM81oibA

[Anonymous No.]

>ERB hasn't actually done anything people are doomposting about her
>JUST YOU WAIT, WHEN HER 1 MONTH QUARINTINE ENDS SHE'LL COLLAB WITH ALL THE GUYS AND KIDNAP OTHER TALENTS TO FORCE THEM INTO HOMO COLLABS AND SHE'LL SPRING SURPRISE HOMO COLLABS ON GIRLS WHO WEREN'T READY.
Do you motherfuckers realize just how tinfoil hat you lot sound?

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>>79249878
Same here. I miss the days when chuubas made skits and not stream

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>>79247885
No, that was Luxiem and Nijisisters entering the fanbase.

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>>79250514
Spamming Subaru's chat is already too much you faggot, when I watch Subaru I want to watch Subaru doing what was planned, not Subaru talk to ERB
And I'm pretty shill usually

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>>79250514
She's living in Holostars chats already and it's like day 3.

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>>79249539
>still seething about muh twitch vtuber when you just got one and she's fine
Grow up.

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Your concert won't be uncanceled, sister.

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>>79250659
That's management's business, not yours

[Anonymous No.]

>forever be casualized by normies and made unrecognizable
anon you watch hololive. the worlds biggest fucking vtuber company with 90% of the biggest JP and EN vtubers on the scene with millions of subs between members. your company is already the biggest contributor for normies getting into this hobby you fucking retard

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>>79247885
fuck off faggot

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>>79247885
Local man is unaware he watches the most normie vtubing company in the world

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>>79250700
She's also living in other members' chats (EN, JP and ID). This shows me that she's a big fan of her coworkers, why does it irk you so much, unicanon?

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>>79249878
Was Ai really the beginning? I had no clue I was on the ground floor for this shit.

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>>79251089
Kizuna had several viral clips of her saying fuck you before hololive had even debuted multiple gens

[Anonymous No.]

I'll be honest, I'd argue to an extent the unicorns and FWMC's courting of them is what's going to kill the hobby in the long run. We have an activity that's becoming increasingly unapproachable and insular, with little to no intake of new fans because of difficulties in integrating because of the perception of already existing fans as social pariahs. /#/ themselves can see the line is going down for all EN across the board. Doubling down on the unicorn ethos is going to lead Vtubing to becoming like American comics when the Comics Code Authority, Diamond Distribution, and the tanking reputation of comics fans as a whole combined and led to American superhero comics dying a slow death only to be rescued much later by mass appeal and outside intervention. Or like /mlp/ and /jp/, calcifying away as a few no lifers and no hopers circlejerking themselves as the circle closes.

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>>79251357
Fwmc don't court unicorns, they court the vtubing equivalent to Chris Chan

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>>79248861
Many communities have grown and thrived without pandering to those that hate them. the trick is to ignore normie's pleads and destroy any attempt of grifting right as it begins
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There is very simple set of rules to follow to avoid further tannyfication of chuubas which would inevitably lead to the destruction of the hobby we love so much.

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>>79251357
Normgroids staying away from vtubing is a good thing actually

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>>79249539
we can always gatekeep harder, harass even more. it does work

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>>79249539
>You should change thing to appeal to me
>Ok will you watch thing now?
>I never had any interest in thing to begin with

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>>79247885
the pink girl in that picture is Luxiem, and the "chads" are the chink sisters that group brought in. we're already past that point seeing how twitter wants to nijify HoloEN.

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Some holos do male collabs, most don't. It used to be more common, even.
What's supposed to be changing?

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>>79251423
I'd argue that might be worse. Sonic's rep is in an interesting place on the Internet.
>>79251457
Then you throw away any chance for the hobby to expand and flourish, and for the girls you love to receive more recognition and fame. In so doing, you admit you actually hate the hobby and want it to stagnate and cater to an increasingly shrinking circle of lonely men who believe they own the anime girls on the screen. You don't want their success, you want them to appeal to you and your taste alone, and damn all their hopes and dreams of fame.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry buddy, the hobby was already infiltrated way before that red whore joined HL. It started when twitch whores got vtuber avatars. Then vshitshow app reared and everything went downhill

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>>79251556
You can try, I guess.

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>>79250908
>fans have no right in saying what content they like or not, only managent.
>close your eyes and eat the slop they feed you, just like I do, chud!

what the fuck are you talking about? if management doesn't do shit about it, you expect people to accept it?

did you even think before posting that?

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>>79251556
Yes, yes. Be like the Nijisisters, unite with the Nijisisters. Wait... You must be a Nijisister. Gross.

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>>79247885
/vt/:
>Respect the VTubers' decisions. If Fuwamoco don't want to acknowledge men, then let them.
>The way the NijiEN staff and her coworkers treated Selen was awful. Niji deserves to burn for their bullying.
But at the same time, a large portion of this board wants to bully ERB into ignoring the Homostars or even quitting.

Y'all unicorns are the dregs of humanity. YOU are the newcomers (compare the board now vs. even 2 years ago), YOU are trying to turn Hololive into Unicorn central, even though Stars have been part of the company since before Gen 3, and collabs with male VTubers were common even in Gen 1.

I am not a homobeggar. I watch Bettel semi-regularly and I don't expect or even encourage the girls to interact with their male coworkers. But if they do, I don't throw a hissy fit.

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>>79251058
as crazy as it looks, ERB is not from Nijisanji, but Hololive. it suprised me as well, so I feel you.

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>>79251860
This isn’t about male collabs
This is about attitude and malicious intent

[Anonymous No.]

The biggest threat has been and remains Phasefags. Nijisisters are mentally ill fandom cretins who aren't any more "normie" than Hololive fans. Phasefags are casuals who hate idol culture and kayfabe for being "cringe" and bankroll cynical grifters like Pippa

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>>79251912
The same woman who was respectful and did not bring the homos in her collab partner who has not acknowledged them? God, she is an awful woman. Truly.

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>>79251357
>>79251423
Not subtle, sisters

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>>79251814
Watch them wriggle out this with "muh falseflag" and No True Scotsman.

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>>79250908
Yeah and if management doesn't do anything I can always stop my memberships and not buy merch anymore

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>>79251860
>y'all
>watching homos
You are a low effort troll, a sister or a AIDS ridden troon/homosexual.

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>>79251814
Necessary gatekeeping

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>>79251912
>malicious
Your firmest grasp of this word seems to amount to "someone doing something I don't like."

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>>79251892
You arent japanese, you dont watch the reason why Nijisanji is popular
You watch globally the most accepted and normal vtuber company, this is like trying to think you're a contraraian for drinking Coca Cola and not Ramune soda

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>>79247885
Fuck, where is that old version of this which has NND, BiliBili, etc and /vt/ being the girl.
I swear I had it saved.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive fans have some sort of grand delusion I can't put into words
Its like saying youre special because you root for Manchester United

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>>79251814
>calling out the holoEN account for ignoring Mumei's milestone is...le BAD

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>>79251756
go fuck yourself, what a pathetic and gross response. unironically made me nauseous.
you think shoving a bunch of non-paying trannies that will just stir shit for drama is "flourishing".
flourishing is when you build a lasting community based on real passion and love for the culture. not on flavor of the season, react-content, irl bullshit.

Open your eyes, if vtubing grew, it grew by being itself. And if it is rotting and decomposing, it's because of those with your pathetic vision.

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>>79247885
she's kind of putting the others in holoEN in a tough spot desu, since some of them have done their best to avoid holostars and now may be forced to awkwardly interact because of ERB. you just know she'll try including them in collabs and stuff

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>>79252475
Vtubing is dying in the west cause gen alpha doesnt wanna sit and watch a bland woman suck at dark souls for 4 hours
Why do you think shorts are being made

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>>79251850
ah yes, Nijisisters, famous for their gatekeeping, anti-normie stance

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>>79252106
So you're saying they're right to abandon the unicorn demographic if that's all it takes for you to stop supporting them

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>>79250218
It was a Japanese corporation that brought westerners into vtubing.

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>>79252177
trying to convince me that react-content, reddit you laugh/you lose, leftist politics, tourists are less normie than hololive based on numbers is not going to be a productive venture for you.

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>>79251082
Nta but i dislike her bring eop in chat especially my jp boys, astel already menhera and i don't want her pushing him over the edge again.

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>>79252609
Who said I was a unicorn ? I just don't want a stream to turn into something that was not planned and that my oshi has no control over (she could ignore her but it would just make things worse).

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>>79248861
Souls games are arguably the most gatekept games out of any other normie shit out there and the dark souls community is still alive and thriving a decade later thanks to speedrunning even with newer fromsoft games on the market.
in short you are full of shit.

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>>79252475
>you think shoving a bunch of non-paying trannies that will just stir shit for drama is "flourishing".
The only site stirring shit at the moment is the Unicorns. Also, it's not just us guys having disposable income. Bettel had more supas than most of the girls last year, and over in Idol and Niji EN, some of the top earners are LGBTQ-friendly homocollabers like Rin or Aia.
Hololive trying to enter new markets and catering to new audiences is a smart move.

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>>79252911
Hololive is white washed to be as inoffensive as possible, that is literally the most normie mindset thing to ever exist

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>>79252911
You spouted the most buzzwords, you win.

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>>79253049 me
To clarify she not in his chat yet since she pushing it on twitter but it feel like dejavu.

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>>79252911
anon hololive is literally one of the 2 biggest vtuber companies in the world, you are contributing more to normies infesting your hobby then anywhere else in the sphere by supporting them

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>>79247885
It was you culture warrior turned radical unicorn ENsharts that casualized Hololive btw, but you won't admit it because you're no better than the normalfags that came after you.

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>>79253075
>Souls games are arguably the most gatekept games out of any other normie shit out there
Are you delusional? The Dark Souls community is one of the most welcoming gaming communities. The gameplay, even though it is challenging, is tuned in such a way that many different playstyles are viable and even bad players can summon NPCs and other players. Motherfucking Pokémon is more gatekept than Dark Souls.

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>>79252580
that's like saying "marriage is not a thing anymore, the world is for only-fans and coomers nowadays"
shorts are being made by desperate pathetic indies (and shiori for some reason).
buildind an actual stable consistent community takes passion, time and effort. shorts watchers will jump from creator to creator in a blink, the increase in numbers will crumble faster than it grew.

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>>79247885
Vtubing isn’t the same as it was in 2018 already, the tipping point is long passed after normies discovered Gura in 2020

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>>79249539
Are you fucking stupid? twitch vtubers are just fleshtubers with a 2D model that copies their movement, there's literally no difference in their content compared to when they were fleshtubers and after they switched vtubing.
Why do you think hololive stands out so much comparison to other corpos and indies? It's because they are doing something different compared to everyone else and people that like that kind of content are attracted to it.

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>>79253378
They're welcoming because they want to show how "good" they are oh god loook at me I'm gooood looook I'M STRONG I BEAT BOSSES TRONG STRONG STRONG OOOOOO LOOOK I BEAT BOOOOSSS ELDEN RING STRONG SEKIRO STRONG OOOO STRONG STRON STRONG LMAO KEK YOUU NO STRONG SKIIL ISSUE LMAO KEK LMAO SKILL ME SKILL YOU NO SKILL KEK LMAO I STRONG BEAT BOOOOOSSSS I'M CUMMMIIIIIIIIIING

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>>79249978
This
Culture warriors are far worse than any homobeggar

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>>79251842
>>79252106
>>79253056
If Subaru is bothered she'll file a complaint to management and management will tell ERB to stop doing that. Is that simple concept too hard to grasp for you unitards?

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>>79253388
Every hololive member makes and commissions shorts
Good job proving youre not subbed to a single Japanese branch member

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>>79250250
Yeah, imagine your audience not wanting translators and/or not a SEAmonkey to think that

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>>79253492
/vt/ predates reddit caring about vtubers

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>>79253737
Coco being a reddit shill predates vt

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>>79247885
>the hobby will forever be casualized for normies and made unrecognizable
Too late. Coco and Gura already did that.

[Anonymous No.]

keep posting about it bro

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>>79253125
>>79253199
>if number big than normie, me very smart
Did you even read what you replied to, retard? how is supporting semi-fleshies spouting the same content as twitch-thots and Xqc-likes, just because they are from smaller companies or indies, less normie than hololive?
>>79253142
It's a buzzword board in a buzzword website, go back to your science papers if you can't keep up, mr.erudit man.

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>>79247885
unitards, #monkeys or whatever you want to call them, same thing, pushing their shit on others and shitting on other chuubas is what caused this. Every action has a reaction and their form of gatekeeping is just sperging out like they/thems do on twitter and it only pisses passerbyers off.

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>>79248861
no, the worst browns are the people from your country.

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>>79251423
And Fauna doesn't?

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>>79253871
Fauna doesnt pretend shes a fan of a 30 year old married bald canadian man with a child, shes very open about it

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>>79253586
the fucking once a month, somewhat high effort animations, 3d studio dances, the promotional song snippets? i thought you were refering to the likes of filian who basically have a higher shorts community than actual audience. you can't actually believe hololive will default to shorts as main content and make streams subservient like them, can you?

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>>79251556
Unicorns not being Holoan challenge

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>>79253830
your hatred for le evil twitch vtubers has blinded you to the fact that you still support a company that has done more to bring in normies into vtubing than any twitch vtuber has done solo

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>>79253378
>most welcoming gaming communities
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the community that created the GIT GUD meme are welcoming? The ones that dunk on every fucking imbecile that complains the souls games are too hard and tell them to just uninstall instead of complain? If that's what you think a welcoming community looks like then VT must look like a bunch of care bears to you.

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>>79247885
>No one is explaining what ERB is
I'm gonna stick to hololive but keep pretending your drama matters kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>79251912
Speaking for yourself?
>>79251917
And try and slither into the Holo fanbase with culture war crap like this thread and harass any Holo that gets on the catalog

[Anonymous No.]

Pippa pipkin making polniggers feel wanted did more damage to vtubing

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>>79252106
You never bought merch nor had a membership to begin with, poorfaggot
You're a larping angry culture warrior, a far worse parasite on the Hololive fandom than any homobeggar

[Anonymous No.]

Can you imagine? Male and female vtubers interacting once in a blue moon? How has vtubbing (tm) reached such a low?
This would never have happened on the /jp/ side of things!

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>>79248138
Looking good my dude!

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>>79251860
>He doesnt realize that on the opposite side of the anti pipeline, there is the unicorn pipeline which has always had been there

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>>79253737
The hololive subreddit was created and active before /vt/ was created. Hell, Coco was doing reddit shitpost reviews for half a year before it came to life.
This is the kind of revisionism that makes Unicorns think that Hololive was a unicorn-friendly company that got usurped by males, when in reality it is the other way aroung.

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>>79254266
going into every homo stream to spam their chat is not once in a blue moon retard

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>>79254220
And until people see that then we won't be having this discussion further.
Kiwiniggers will ALWAYS be worse than Holostars fans, no matter how unwelcome both may be.

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>>79252609
such a braindead take from a tourist, go watch your twitch egirls lmao

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>>79254331
That just makes them the same thing, but on opposite ends, but let's be real, before your ENtoddler ass barged into the Hololive fandom unwanted unicorns and antis were one and the same regarding everything.

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>>79247885
>ERB is the tipping point for Vtubing
i dont think a hag who can't stream games and is bad in collabs is really going to affect vtubing in any meaningful way

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>>79254503
>>>Take
>>>Calling others twitchniggers

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>>79252580
I'm pretty sure it's the kids who keep begging vtubers to play these shit souls games and Apex/Valorant etc.

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>>79254081
your small brain capacity is blinding you to the fact that your argument is supremely retarded.
>watching the normiest most grinded out slop content is not normie as long as the view count is lower
I'm sure everyone thinks you are really unique when you watch mr.react-content chuuba number 999999.

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>>79251860
> even though Stars have been part of the company since before Gen 3
I think this is the source of the problem, Stars itself
They need to get HoloCN'd

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>>79254826
yeah anon cause the vtuber watching react slop for 2k viewers has more impact with normies than a vtuber with 30k viewers playing games. what a retard

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More seriously, how is literally anything ERB's done (actual) or even perceived to be planning to do been more damaging than the weird horse race botting community /#/ spawned?

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>>79254081
I agree with >>79254826 that you are misunderstanding the difference between Hololive and Twitch vtubers
Twitch vtubers rarely have their own content and it's what makes Hololive so much better from a content creator perspective

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>>79254978
Shes literally an autistic old woman, the only people seething are faceless niggers on 4chan

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>>79254978
Not now brownfeet

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>>79254978
They think botting is good when it means owning certain people. Forget the girls' channels being in danger, it's all about controlling a bullshit narrative. Long before ERB was a victim of this, they specifically targeted IRyS and other "non-unicorn friendly" EN girls.

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>>79250659
She only did that the one time, didn't she? If it becomes a problem, Subaru will tell her offstream to stop doing that. I wouldn't worry about it.

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>>79247885
how ironic that its the holofaggots crying foul about invasions of a niche hobby and turning it to shit

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>>79255183
according to the average westoid vtubing started during covid, they will never accept they are the newfags and the tourists

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>>79254842
Why? They pull their own weight and target an audience otherwise not captured by Hololive's roster. Would Marine pull bigger numbers if Stars didn't exist? Would Heimin spend more on merch if Astel was fired?
Hololive will always support Holostars, because it's a smart business decision.

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>>79254930
Yeah you fundamentally misunderstand it
Gura streaming to 30k loli enjoyers is a lot different than 100 Twitch vtubers streaming react content to 0.5-6k normalfags

Twitch is such a cesspool of normalfaggotry and a lot of the Twitch vtubers specifically chase it because they need more growth
Yes, Cover is making deals with shit like Dodger's Stadium, but the environment at Hololive is still an idol company, they aren't shifting their content away from what made the company grow in the first place
Twitch vtubers are, they are doing IRL streams all the time now, it's barely even vtubing anymore on twitch

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>>79247885
People don't want to swallow this pill, but HoloEN was the tipping point that brought normies in.
It's been mainstream and casualized for a long time.

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This thread is pointless because regardless of how you feel about the subject, most of you are statistically EOPs and hence you would be either the green/brown stick figures in the OP diagram, not the black stick figures aka "people who watch HoloJP nigh exclusively and don't care about other branches."

The fact that most people think gatekeeping can even happen in an industry like vtubing where capital and shareholder desires take precedence is silly. You can't gatekeep content, it's not how the world works, but you can actively choose to consume stuff made for a "pure" audience i.e. everything happening in HoloJP.

I wanna specify, we're all in Plato's Cave for the most part, even if you dropped everything immediately and only watched JP you'd probably still be suffering. Meanwhile the people in Japan who are watching and supporting VSPO or NijiJP, because like it or not they exist and in fact only strengthen my takeaway here could not give less of a shit about drama, beggars, sihtpost dialectics, etc. It's not even something that registers, to Japan there isn't even this debate about if normalfags have "invaded" the hobby because it's distinctly Japanese and may as well be a national pastime, whereas here in the West (and SEA? I guess??) it's still functionally a novelty.

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>>79255448
Hybrid streamers like Kson pretty much expedited this so she can chase celebrity clout
I dont consider Kson a vtuber

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>>79247885
Why is it suddenly a DEFCON-2 problem with her and not the 15+ other homocollabers before her?

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>>79255561
You shouldn't and neither should anyone consider Onigiri a vtuber. I'd even go as far as to say most of Twitch fail to understand the appeal of vtubing and only see it as an aesthetic novelty, not a medium with its own cultural trends and unique properties distanced from fleshtubing. Mind you, I'm no purist, but even gloved handcam streams feel weird to me, though I can still watch them without sperging out.

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>>79255524
I started with EN, and found out that JP was way better suited for people like me, I barely watch EN nowadays, I wasn't really excited for the new gen, just curious

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>>79247885
>casualized
What does that even mean anymore? Because from where I'm standing most Vtuber fans are people that used to watch anime 10 years ago and used to regularly play video games 10 years ago (they might play something 1-2 a week these day, might!). Where's the non-casual part of this hobby? Where's the audience for that?
If you want to have a chuuba that talks about some obscure 80s anime and two of the latest anime series this season has produce, you need an audience for that.
There isn't one.
If you want a chuuba that plays Delta Force 2 and Gary Grigsby's War in the East 2, you need an audience for that.
There isn't one.
There isn't even a chuuba that can talk about classical Japanese cinema.
In 2020 you couldn't even have a proper chuuba talking about the Japanese idol scene, because the average viewer had almost zero interest in it and these days you'll get people like Kiara and Mint making offhand comments about it, at most.
So I ask again, who is this "non-casual" audience and what even does is it want?

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>>79255655
Fresh target for their ongoing larp

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255655
Because most people here don't watch Ollie. Last night she literally had a kino collab with Jurard but because most of this board is EN only and considers ID a once-in-a-blue-moon thing they can't fathom the idea that Hololive has normalized mixed gender streams for a while now. And no, you can't go "ERM WELL THAT'S JUST THE ZOOMBIE" because it has happened with many in JP to the point I can only look at freakout moments like this as an attempt to gaslight newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255254
>Would Marine pull bigger numbers if Stars didn't exist?
What does this matter when Marine alone gets 3 times more viewers than all the homos combined? If all the homos graduated it would literally make no difference to Cover and would even be a net positive for the girls because they would have more access to the 3D studio that's already booked to the brim.
Besides it's the girls fault that Cover managed to get so popular and successful and If the girls are the ones that made all that possible then the stars are not really pulling their own weight, they are just a failed gamble from cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255254
I'll be honest with you since you want to have a genuine conversation, I used to agree with your take
But Stars ultimately causes too much fan infighting in Hololive to be good for the brand

Stars makes up less than 10% of Cover's revenue but their expenses outweigh it, Stars is basically what the WNBA is to the NBA, Hololive's performance is subsidizing the entire Stars existence and it's only had a negative impact on Hololive

At some point, we need to be intellectually honest that the boys just aren't growing and that using Hololive to forcibly grow them at the detriment to fan infighting is just bad.
Cover is the one that decided to make an Idol company and specifically hyper focused on cultivating these fans.
And it worked.
But now Stars are in the position where they just don't earn enough money to be worth the continued investment.
They have full time managers, artists, producers all for the Stars talents and these guys are not seeing the inherent growth that would warrant it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255834
It doesn't cost a lot of money to own a work from home business which is what vtubing is 90 to 95% of the year
You should take business classes before thinking you have any logic that falls within reason, you'd be DOA

[Anonymous No.]

>>79250659
You'd be the first fan to be upset about a girl interacting with another girl in her stream. Those interactions always get posted here, either in their respective generals or the catalog. Fans eat that shit up and love to see how the talent get along with their senpai or kohai.
>>79250700
So? Are you a homo lover? Do you stalk the boys chats to see if any girls show up there, or are you not a homo lover but you're just reacting to the chat logs being posted -- then you have no reason to care. IF you are a homo lover, see my response to the other post above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255561
I'm pretty sure most people are just waiting for her to do JAV

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255929
>>>>>>>>>>Infighting
Where? In your head? Or is the culture war you're so desperate to exist while everyone watches streams and then goes to bed like a normal fan does?
Quit begging

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255726
I think in order to understand why vtubing has become casualized you have to realize that livestreaming culture had its roots on 4chan. I'm not even kidding, some of the earliest websites before Twitch were around, most of the "proto-streamers" were at least tangentially related to /here/ and this has largely been swept under the rug. Even so, popular Twitch streamers and Youtubers are well aware of us, and to tie this back on-topic, it's not foolish at all to assert that plenty of vtubers are aware of /vt/ at least to a superficial degree.

It's not that they don't have knowledge on IRL idol culture or that they discuss niche things or play obscure games, it's that they exist in a context where everything in the above paragraph is a footnote, pop trivia, instead of being intrinsic to the experience. It's not even about /#/ because you could argue that JP has been casualized longer, since it used to - to my recollection - be limited to 5chan the same way Touhou used to be limited to 2chan. And the doujin market too, but again, that's a simiilar case of something starting out on a cozy corner of the Internet and exploding outwards while still appearing "indie" in the broadest sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255781
No one likes Ollie

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256037
I mean it's infighting for sure but mostly from Hololive stans who act as though Holostars doesn't or even doesn't deserve to exist. I have seen this exact sentiment posted with sincerity so often I have no choice but to believe plenty of anons would be happy if Yagoo announced tomorrow he's closing the whole branch. 10% is still a lot revenue wise by the way so there's no chance of that happening because it might potentially lead to some nebulous yab which will totally happen and not be just more retards extrapolating rrats from Twitter interactions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
Homie, I'm just going to ignore her and watch Fuwamoco like I always do. Bau Bau. In a month we will all laugh at this as she and her gen are the runts of HoloEN. Let the process work itself out naturally like it always does. She and the sisters think they're doing something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255781
Most people don't watch Ollie at all anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255929
>but their expenses outweigh it
I'm not convinced that they operate at a loss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256281
It's impossible to be a fan of Advent and not notice that Justice are going to be just as if not more successful than them. And don't cry to me that this is holo vs holo, it's more "unity" than you're willing to admit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256256
Nigger nobody on this website matters
The containment breakers on twitter get 0 attention, everything they post is labeled spam by twitter its self and everyone just tells them to kill themselves because all they do is try to interrupt to flow of things like streams with their diaper shitting
You're a retard who thinks this place isn't just a bunch of manchildren fighting for attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255972
>So?
So this is a precursor to a whole lot of Homostars collabing waiting to happen in the future. Anybody aboard the Erb train is going to be exposed to them to a frankly unsafe degree. I just want as little Homostars background radiation in my Hololive experience as possible, and Erb is the catalyst for the exact opposite. I hope she gets terminated or graduates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256377
4chan is a cultural touchstone of the Internet and everything posted here inevitably goes downstream to the normie clearnet sooner or later. If you think otherwise or assume I'm making shit up you're simply wrong, vtubing in the West would NOT be as prominent as it currently is without /vt/. Not to such an intense degree, not with the vernacular people use, nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256408
>Im not an anti i just want someone to lose their job
>Im anti cancel culture but let's cancel this woman for doing nothing wrong

Average cuckbrain

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255971
It does cost a lot of money when it comes at the cost of your main market though. Cover would have made a lot more money if they debuted EN3 and then Advent as EN4 instead of tempiss. Hell we might've had EN5 by now if they weren't retarded and gambled their way with their failed male branch, the girls sell a lot more merch, get more SC on average and get higher viewership so cover lost a lot of potential money from that move. Maybe you should be the one taking business classes and realize what a failed business move looks like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
>ERB is the tipping point for Vtubing.
Regloss and Justice are examples of modern Hololive gens. Liz might be taking it further but management wants to move away from unicorn pandering. Cover won't give up on CGDCT content because even Yagoo knows that is what most viewers want but there is an emphasis on HoloPro unity.

Holostars have mentioned how they want to have a mixed gen concert and it's curious how Breaking Dimensions is being marketed with the image of a shattered mirror. Tempus recently got their 3D models and the next HoloEN concert is only 2 months away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885

At this point, suicide is your only option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256457
Oh fucking brother, fuck off you tourist slime nigger. You're the problem. I've been on this website since 2007. You probably weren't even cognitive yet as a concept on your parents nutsack. You propping up this shithole is why it fucking sucks, you want this place to be the zoo it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256570
I have also been on this website since 2007, but go ahead, I'm sure now that you've said edgelord phrases and thrown out the funny oldfag number you'll get to keep living in your precious bubble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256408
>focusing on a single word in my response
read the rest of my post faggot, or don't ever reply to me again

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256457
Oh you should've announced from the start that you are just trolling

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256480
I said neither of those things. I absolutely will anti the shit out of her as soon as her homo love spills over in any capacity beyond her own streams and not feel bad about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256704
Yes yes, I'm so glad you proved to be a newfag who watched historic youtube videos and read ED once or twice before it went down. Anonymous is legion brother!!!!!! So epic!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256408
Please get cock off your mind. I'm begging you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255972
There's a difference between a short interaction and 10 messages in a row. Now imagine 100 messages, that's what she did to a holostar

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256755
You think about dick more than your oshi
Happy pride

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256737
Nothing in the post was incorrect. Why are you and that other anon even mad about such an innocuous observation?
>>79256784
Like seriously you're still going. Is the sentence "4chan has influence on the wider Internet." So far out of left field you can't possibly entertain it? Maybe this place really is far gone if professed "oldfags" seethe at the idea they share this place with people have been here just as long as them but think differently and don't lash out at the slightest pushback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256346
It's just like the WNBA, they obviously don't want to advertise that it is, but all of the constant investment that leads nowhere means it definitely is at a loss
Stars would be fine if they weren't constantly trying to make new outfits, 3d events, cover permissions etc and just operate with as few managers as possible
But they do have those things, all while continuing to create more Stars, it's a money pit, you have to get out of it at some point because the investment leads to no returns
>>79256037
There's 100% infighting, this is a company that uses social media to push everything and then comments sections and fanbase forums are always littered with vitriol
It's just like anything else now, people have politicized the fanbases and have drawn lines in the sand
>don't collab with guys!!!!
>why did the collab go silent when a holostar was on screen!!!!
All of this happens because Cover refuses to acknowledge the reality that Stars is barely kept alive by using Hololive to promote it and it forces these two vastly different fanbases to argue

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256552
>Breaking Dimensions
thats about as much of a reach as saying that connect the world was a concert that pushed for stars unity KEK. you are reading way too much into something thats not even there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256908
The collab did go silent when a Holostar was on screen though and that's a direct consequence of people screaming "don't collab with guys" to where the talent internalizes that negative attitude. You can't refute this, they know on some level that there are antis watching their every syllable and so it follows that they'll clam up when men are on screen. It's a very real thing which people use as ammo for arguments precisely BECAUSE their arguments have weight.

[Anonymous No.]

What does ERB stand for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256908
There is no infighting
Nobody uses the subreddit
The girls dont read their twitter comments unless you're on the whitelist of their brains. You're so desperate to create something there isn't its so fucking sad. Cover Corp is not going to issue a PR statement addressing mentally ill shitskins having a meltdown

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256733
There's nothing in the rest of your post. You say I shouldn't care about a Hololive girl writing chat messages in the triple digit range in some homo chat. But I disagree. That's just the ultimate sign of a waste of a Hololive member slot. She needs to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257127
Not an anti btw, not pro cancel culture btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>79248138
>>79254320
It's nice hanging out with you guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
Your concert still got cancelled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
shell do a mori once she checks her rev

[Anonymous No.]

>>79251814
QRD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257127
You shouldn't care because those "chat messages in the triple digit range" do not transfer over to the content of her streams. Even if she is collabing with a male and sperging on stream those chat messages mean nothing. Wanna know why? Because she's ultimately a performer, and you are over here conflating silly DMs in chat rooms to personal text messages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257025
>and that's a direct consequence of people screaming "don't collab with guys"
proof? there can be plenty of other reasons for them to not talk when someone they have no clue or interest about comes up on screen, even Ina who is homo neutral barely said much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
shuddup incel

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257160
I never claimed to not be an anti. Who are you arguing with? Fucking Pakis I swear

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257262
Least delusional ruffian
Your dogs are afraid of their own mentally ill fanbase. They'll take the fulltime JP jump when they finally can. Hope you enjoy your 4 am streams in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>79253580
Found the homobeggar

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
I know I'm too late to shut down the thread by posting this, but here's your (you) nijisister, stop deflecting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79253075
This didn't age well. Fromsoft just made Elden Ring easier to appease the casual dudebros that started to play the game because it became massively popular. In fact Souls is a prime example of a bunch of nerds enjoying the difficulty, social media slowly making it populated, women and dudebros joining in and then the devs needing to bend the knee to satisfy all the casuals ER drew in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257326
>no proof
so you're delusional and full of shit, got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79251089
I mean, I guess you could point to PNGtubers as an earlier example, but I think she was more or less the first one to use a proper model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257297
>Cancel culture is bad unless im doing it
Cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
people always want to pretend this is a fallacy but then look at video games, look at comics, look at Star Wars, look at card games, look at board games, look at Dungeons and Dragons... We seen that shit play out just like that over and over again so many times throughout the years and people still want to pretend is a logical fallacy or something. The only thing missing in that storyboard are the Simps. These are the ones that enable woman retardation to spread like wildfire only to end up getting cucked by a chad that treats her like shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257368
>Dudebros
Yeah dude it was totally the jocks from high school that led to Elden Ring being easier and not the fact that literally every single Steam account in China gave it a negative review due to poor balancing.
>inb4 CHINA BAD BTW
Tencent has stock in FromSoftware.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257368
Not really
Erdtree is getting shit on because its filtering normies who dont know how to play the game beyond 99 arcane blood loss builds that 3 shot bosses

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257258
No I agree, I just really hate her performance. And as soon as she's allowed to collab, the content of her streams will be Homostars to some degree. Her sperging on their streams in chat is literally the prelude, no reason to pretend that people can't see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257383
The first vtuber ever was Super Sonico and that one guy who used a 3D granny model, not some pngtuber why do you newfags not even know the most basic history as if vtubing started with Kizuna Ai lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257496
Hey dude this might pop a blood vessel but
Dont follow her social media or watch her

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257461
You're missing the point over autistic semantics. Game got big, attracted casuals and is now at the whim of said casuals despite Fromsoft constantly telling complainers like that in the past to just "get gud". Even they aren't immune to the effect.

[Anonymous No.]

This hobby is dependant on girls who are into, or at least convincingly pretend to be into, all the same hobbies we are. There's like 11 women on the planet who can do this well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257496
As someone who regularly watches Holostars and is legitimately happy to see Hololive collab with men more in the future thanks to ERB it's so funny seeing you tie yourself in knots over an imaginary issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257590
Thats not a detriment to elden ring thats a detriment to peoples self esteem
FromSoft doesn't care if people cry, they're not nerfing the DLC because it is explicitly end game content you're supposed to know how to adapt to because if you can beat Mogh honestly you can beat anyone in Erdtree

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257567
I don't because I think she is shit. I just wish she wasn't a thing in the first place so there would be no danger of her shit spilling over into streams and talents I do care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257368
My comment was specifically on souls as in the dark souls trilogy, and even in ER's case the game is heavily gatekept by people talking down on players that use crutches like summons and overleveled broken builds to beat a boss and diminish their victory. Fromsofts approach with ER is less of an appeasement to casuals and more of a compromise in an attempt to make both sides happy, but the community still shits on the casual players because no matter what people will always complain that the game is too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257590
Anon, I'm not going to repeat myself. You used the word "dudebro" as a stand-in for Penguinz0 and Twitter users, which was already fucking retarded. The real reason Erdtree got patched is because of a massive outcry in Japan's neighboring state, this is so far from a clerical error I should not have to even explain it to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257689
It must be weird living day to day getting mad at shit that hasn't happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257700
>Compromise
And that's the tipping point. They bent the knee once, now people know they'll bend it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257704
How does it feel to know that bugmen are now the majority in one of your favorite games? Replace dudebros and girls with a bunch of yellow people but the premise is still the same. You guys are just on the 4th panel and still in denial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257824
After getting mixed reviews for their new DLC, i highly doubt it. Miyazaki himself said that he's not going to make the game any easier in regard to all the people complaining that the DLC is too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257824
Not really
They nerfed radahn once because he was overtuned for when you were supposed to fight him
If they feel shit is overtuned for a level 150 character they will tweak shit by minor percentages
The last boss of the DLC is still the hardest boss in fromsoft history

[Anonymous No.]

>>79250514
How long after debut was it before Mori and Kronii flew too close to the sun, respectively?
If they could fall so low, why wouldn't we logically expect way worse from someone like ERB?

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257798
No, it's just living life and seeing the obvious coming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257942
Japanese people are bugmen too so this post makes no sense. In fact if you post on 4chan by proxy you support bugmen lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257985
Shes an autistic old woman who wants to spam karaokes and draw
I doubt shes trying to make DnD forced unity DnD campaigns

[Anonymous No.]

>>79251556
>We don't like this so we'll kill the hobby so normies can't enjoy it.
Meds or rope, pick one schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258022
You dont live life jej, nigger watching vtubers isnt a life its escaping from it. Grow up little timmy

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256377
shut the fuck up deadbeat. we're all tired of your shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
The hobby already passed the tipping point with Vshojo, then again with Nijisanji EN once they debuted males, then again with Holostars EN.
We had to stop these freaks from invading our hobby years ago, but it never happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257368
>tendie cope
No?, Chinks cant get gud lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258073
Normies raus

[Anonymous No.]

>>79253492
Probably true, but why aren't you in /jp/, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

This is why I only care about the girls I like and nothing else

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258073
Was there ever a niche hobby that became better than what it was for its core audience after it got invaded by normies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258357
they weren't true tipping points because it honestly didn't affect any of the content that i watch.
a homocollaber within holoen is a serious fucking problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258728
It's really not, you just have autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258712
Never

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258728
so Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258712
Gacha games, it went from low cost money grabbers to full games, but still money grabbers
I went from dogshit to shit, but it's still an improvement

[Anonymous No.]

>>79257637
>As someone who regularly watches Holostars and is legitimately happy to see Hololive collab with men more in the future thanks to ERB
If you are expecting/hoping for her to drag other girls along you are just as bad as the fags rending their garments over a single justice member being homofriendly I hope you know that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79251357
Comics and mlp died trying to cater your woke shit
Hololive attract people but that doesn't mean they need to change to appeal those people, it makes no fucking sense
End yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258728
A problem has existed since Myth then and nothing has changed

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258905
>and nothing has changed
dipshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258957
Keep seething, I'm sure Mori Calliopes downfall will happy one day while you piss your pants and need mommy to change your diapy

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258846
all it did was normalize gambling in the general video game sphere though, i'd argue normies invading gacha games made things a lot worse for everyone else just by the association of being called a "game"

[Anonymous No.]

>>79258879
Bold of you to assume that's my M.O. when I literally just want more diverse collabs, especially since half of EN doesn't even do anything with each other. Gonna argue against that too? It's not a sin to want more talent interactions, gender be damned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259121
>ESL
Also 2 more weeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259176
Oh no a typo
Yes 2 more weeks till you tie a rope. We are all praying for it troon

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259121
>umm ackshually you're seething
>the deadbeat says as he shits and pisses himself and Mori continues to lose viewers
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259142
You're right, I was only talking about the gacha games, but the normalization of gambling made things worse for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79254266
That's just how unicorns are, newfags trying to corrupt vtubing while simultaneously accusing everyone else of doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>79254266
>>79259293
classic woke cultist projection

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259228
Mori Calliope makes more money sleeping than you have in 10 years if you wanna pull irrelevant metrics
Moro Calliope will be remembered, your 1view wont
Mori Calliope makes others famous by existing, your 1view will retire with 10 likes on her graduation post

[Anonymous No.]

>>79256529
At some point, the girls cannibalize each others profits. Releasing more EN gens has diminishing returns. It just spreads the fanbase thinner. Whereas the Holostars are an entirely different fanbase with money to spend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79253106
Don't let this post distract you from the fact that some Homo pandered to troons and the next day Astel got canceled by the alphabetic people lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
AAAAAAAAAAAA YOU WATCH HOLOLIVE NIGGA THE MOST POPULAR VTUBING AGENCY IN THE WORLD YOU ARE ALREADY THE NORMALFAGS

[Anonymous No.]

>>79254826
>retard retard u retard
Ignore it as hard as you can. It doesn't change the fact that they're right, and supporting big corpos just draws more normies in. We're past the point of no return.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259163
>I literally just want more diverse collabs (...) Gonna argue against that too?
Depends
>It's not a sin to want more talent interactions, gender be damned.
Alright, so you clearly have an unapologetic homofan in the newest gen, are you going to be satisfied with her and the other talents who have made it clear they want to include males in their content doing stuff with the males? Or do these
>more diverse collabs
need to include people other than Mori, Bae and the ID girls?

It's not a sin to be happy you have another EN who wants to do things with the males if you like that content, it is if you want her to push the envelope. That was my point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259546
Theyre so special, they support the New York Yankees, the new england patriots, Barcelona FC, MAN U, and the LA Lakers

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259421
>he's unironically shitting and pissing himself
LMAO
these are the pathetic losers that ruined vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>79255929
Do you have Cover's full financial reports, or are you just talking out your ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259484
>Whereas the Holostars are an entirely different fanbase with money to spend.
yes all 1000 of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259628
>t. Groomer who thinks he will get laid by talking to some talentless 1view egirl

[Anonymous No.]

i'll never forgive yagoo for the erb trojan horse

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259774
she will fail because woke cultists don't watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>79253199
Being the biggest in a niche market does not means being normie, it means that you are the best at catering at that niche.
Hololive is full of things normies couldn't care less about, and yet defines what they are.
I would argue the most normie company is probably VShoujo, in that it's the closest to what normies think of vtubing when looking from the outside (ie streamers with an avatar).

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259823
She already beat gura unbotted
Keep coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259484
Why do you think they just debuted an EU gen? Cover still has a lot more potential to grow with the girls side without cannibalizing their current NA or JP market and the girls still had bigger exponential growth than the stars had through the years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259862
>unbotted
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259581
If your entire argument hinges upon this idea that there is this 'satellite' of HoloEN where the girls and guys can collab and everyone is in a state of willful ignorance, then I don't see the point of doomposting about Elizabeth. By your own admission the brand risk has happened and continues to happen. If ERB can get girls besides the ones you mentioned to engage in a homo collab I fail to see the issue, because that 'line' has already been crossed.

Honestly, reminds me of those meme edits people made about Roberu stealing every JP a couple years ago. Except now it's what you think will actually happen if *any* male collabs with *any* female after ERB does her thing. Which she still hasn't actually done yet...

[Anonymous No.]

>>79251756
Sonic has an extremely positive reputation right now and the fanbase is diehard. The only negativity I’ve seen are Genchinks spazzing out over some incredibly mild jokes directed at them. Including shit like Paimon bullying and Sonic/Lumine art.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259969
>Which she still hasn't actually done yet...
they're on a collab ban you dumb fuck newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259404
>projection
>literally proven by the very fucking thread we're in
holy retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>79260038
You know exactly what I meant. If anything, all of this shitpost bait flame war nonsense should have its own embargo until that collab ban lifts and we see her July schedule. Because until then all antis have to go off of is chat logs. The only real crime ERB has committed since debut is having a double encore for a Bettel song, even I can't defend that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79247885
If you ever opened Twitch, you'd know that we're way past the point of no return.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259539
>Astel got canceled by the alphabetic people lmao
what for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>79260165
>>79260175
all you woketards can do is bitch and moan on social media
her "success" will be very short lived

[Anonymous No.]

man sisters be crazy. she won't do anything. acting like she does is off-putting and boring even for normies. something else will come along to distract the beggars, she'll take her place as the runtiest of runts, and then sisters will even stop using her to shit up the catalogue because nobody will be biting anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>79260637
She's not even a runt though

[Anonymous No.]

>>79259969
You are addressing something I never even claimed.
>brand risk
Where did I say her actions were a brand risk?
>I don't see the point of doomposting about Elizabeth
Neither do I, infact I think the doomposting has lost all it's teeth since she has done 2 collabs without mentioning the homos
>If ERB can get girls besides the ones you mentioned to engage in a homo collab I fail to see the issue, because that 'line' has already been crossed.
>If ERB can get
That is what I am saying is the issue. Hoping she can "get" other girls to change their minds is what crosses the line into beggar territory. It doesn't do her any favors being paraded around like a sledgehammer tearing down walls either.

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>>79260691
yeah she just debuted and she's acting in a way that implies that she'll cause drama, tourists eat that shit up. none of the regular hololive viewers care about her though, and the girls they care about aren't gonna get dragged into any drama she causes. tourists will get bored, she won't have any regulars, she takes her place as the runt of runts.

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>>79256281
The problem is that the bitch is crazy and will actively try to destroy the culture
You don't understand how fucked up she is
It's not just a unaware that that got in hololive, she knows what's about and wants to change it worse than Ollie

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>>79260241
throwaway accounts got "upset" at him for eating maccas. definitely real astellas who actually watched him yep nothing sus there

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>>79260637
something tells me she's going to have a woman moment before that happens. SJWs are just way too easy to bait into a reaction.

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>>79261025
meds

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>>79261060
People said the exact same things about Nina from her debut to her graduation based on PL shit and nothing happened. Until she actually says anything all this speculation is just hot air

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>>79257326
The invisible gun strikes again. It’s not like FWMC unfollowed the homos immediately after getting their accounts and before the Ruffians even existed.

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>>79259823
>>79260630
>all you woketards can do is bitch and moan on social media
nice projection and delicious irony, literally this thread is unicorns bitching and moaning on social media and we get these on the daily
>don't watch streams
been watching vtubers since Kizuna AI, watching them daily and am currently paying for 12 memberships and 7 twitch subs, but whatever helps you sleep at night

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>>79257326
man, that canceled concert is driving you nijiniggers crazy.

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>>79259212
Mori will keep going no matter how much you seethe, tranny

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>>79251089
Kizuna Ai herself always used the term "Virtual YouTuber" when referring to what she was, and that soon became the term we now know as vtubers.

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>>79247885
>auto saged thread

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>>79261417
t. least schizophrenic delusional woke cultist

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>>79261965
you must be at least 18 to use this site

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>>79251089
technically not the first depending on how you define "vtuber", but the one who made it popular and coined the term

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>>79262332
get a new playbook sis
we've already heard that one a million times

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>>79249878
Videos were always better than streams

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>>79255781
>has normalized mixed gender streams
You meant HoloID. And even as an ID, I stick with Kaela, Reine, and Anya and skip other IDs (esp. Ollie).

For holoEN though, past mixed gender streams has left a bad taste in my mouth, so I hope they keep it at minimum as possible. I'm sure the unicorns and the femcorns would agree. At least we wouldn't have dramafags and falseflaggers shitting up the board.

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>>79248960
Based

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This image is always so funny considering what Hololive was pre-2020. The unicorns ARE the invaders.