Kanae and Hoshikawa received so many hate comments that they won't host another NijiGTA

[Anonymous No.]

The fuck is happening over there ?

I'm here enjoying Liz and GG debuts while the sisters are cannibalizing themselves. And attacking Kanae and Hoshikawa of all people ? Have they gone mad ?

https://twitter.com/tobitai_0707/status/1804350220324737188?t=HrJ8OsldXxX82B8GQLuzNw&s=19

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>>78791182
Buy an ad, nobody here cares and watches GTA.

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>>78791182
Hoshikawa is criminal scum

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>>78791182
weren't there many clips and fun moments with the JP memebers? what's going on

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>>78791182
It's just he Niji way, liver bully liver and the fans which reflect the liver also bully liver, ifnitie bully systems it never ends

>>78791334
You cared enough to post

[Anonymous No.]

Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>i cant handle strangers and bots
shouldnt be a content creator

[Anonymous No.]

>>78791383
tl;dr Hoshikawa accidentally ruined a robber's escape because she was watching them in spectator admin mode but didn't disconnect from the police radio which has a GPS tracker on it.

The thing about this stuff is that the NijiGTA audience is at least half of the Sutogura audience, and if you know anything about Sutogura you and 99% of this board don't but let me just use that turn of phrase it's that their fans are genuinely some of the most autistic faggots in the entire vtuber world. Hell I'd even put them lower than Junichi Katoufags and only slightly above Korekorefags. The real question here is why the hell did Kanae even think it was a good idea to address them when now they're just going to harass him even more than they already did in Sutogura when he quit his gang.

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>>78791816
Thanks for the info

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>>78791182
deserved for kicking out lucaPOG from the gta server.

[Anonymous No.]

Sisters got angry that Sara didn't abandon Haachama, that's the only reason for the hate

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>>78791461
>>78792296
>>78792257
You do not understand GTA RP watchers. They make mikeneko look like a sane person. None of you actually don't understand even remotely how far the roleplay rabbit hole goes down.
This isn't even a nijisis thing. Roleplay watchers are the precursor to real mental illness.

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>>78792257
>kicking out lucaPOG
NijiJP really is based...

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>>78791182
What the fuck happened? I heard they were attacking the nijiENs for some reason to the point where they almost all had to pull out, too.

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>>78791816
Please, if you're up to it tell me the long version, sounds like an entertaining mess from the outside.

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>>78791182
idk if it's a sister or even niji thing. GtaRP always leads to the most mundane yet gayest and toxic drama around. Do too well in an RP interaction? You're getting accused of reading chat/metagaming. Say something "out of character" ? Kicked from the server.
>>78792377
This.

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>>78791182
Good! Streams are botted anyways and low tier niji's numbers are still the same anyways. Let the embarrassing numbers go back to normal, especially the tinboy numbers. This fucking grandest of the grand leech should know his place

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>>78791182
>The fuck is happening over there ?
Nijisanji fans being the literal worst, as usual.

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>>78791816
wouldnt anyone who watches nijiJP or vspo know what sutogura or stgr as more english people would know it I imagine

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>>78791816
>The real question here is why the hell did Kanae even think it was a good idea to address them
Not really, he's always fed the peanut gallery

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>>78792461
Apparently Luca was being too disruptive in the server and breaking too many rules that him and any EN member not fluent in JP fluent had to get banned or something like that.

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>>78791182
>covering all the costs ourselves.

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>>78791182
>Justice flop defection thread

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>>78793102
Yeah, but that was Niji EN getting kicked. This is about Kanae and Hoshikawa getting kicked (dunno why, dunno if it's the same server, don't give a rat's ass either way)

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>>78791816
thanks for the info.

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>>78791816
jezaz

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>>78791182
Wtf I thought Niji have capable men who easily organize something like this? Why rely on women with their fragile ego for company wide event?

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>>78793469
You have to pay for staff in Nijisanji.

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>>78793206
hskw and kanae earns alot more than thousands of yen mind you, and riku wasnt the one promoting the niji gta server in the first place. if they dont want to waste money on events, just play chillas art slops or apex.

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>>78793469
Maimoto is on indefinite hiatus

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>>78792377
Is it the same in that vcr thing?

[Anonymous No.]

Why do so many vtuber fans feel compelled to complain directly at the people hosting free entertainment for them

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>>78793206
all those bots...........

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>>78791816
So they’re as autistic as nopixel fags when it comes to GTA RP?

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>>78794120
Riku won't even fund the bots now...

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>>78791816
jesus kek loll

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>>78794317
No, worse.

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>>78791182
>attacking Kanae and Hoshikawa of all people ?
Why are you acting surprised they're attacking either of them, especially hskw? They've been shitting on her since nijigta started. Not including their disdain since her entire existence.

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>>78794563
Why do they hate hoshikawa

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>>78791182
>EN is dead in the water, any new arrivals are guaranteed DOA.
>The first JP Trumpet signifying the NijiJPocalypse has been sound.
They are fucked lol.

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>>78791182
>>78791334
Niji GTA has been obliterating Holo over the last week so it's predictable that Holofags would be salty and attack them since Holo will never be able to host their own GTA server as long as they keep their livers gender segregated.

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>>78793206
>Mfw even Niji JP-event organization and management is effectively non-existent.
>Not a rrat anymore

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>>78791182
>The fuck is happening over there?
Fujos getting sick of seeing a female opening the GTA server every day. Everything would be fine if it was Toya and his boyfriend instead.

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>>78794952
>EVERYTHING WRONG WITH NIJI IS THE FAULT OF HOLO.
>NO OTHER EXPLANATION

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>>78794762
Female and has a lot of holo friends, including being particularly close to Haachama.

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>>78791182
I already expected this, NijiJP fanbase is always at war with each other it happened in Arc, Minecraft and Rust.

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>>78791816
I don't even know the other names

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>>78791816
Not surprised, the GTARP scene in japan somehow manages to be leagues worse than the mainstream western ones. All the failed normalfag nip fleshstreamers flock to it.

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>>78795237
isn't she relatively successful though

[Anonymous No.]

Kanae also made autistic clipping rules for this event literally nobody follows. Apparently you have to wait 24 fucking hours until a stream ended until you can post clips. What a retarded idea, let me clip ffs.

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>>78791816
>why the hell did Kanae even think it was a good idea to address them
he does not give a fuck and does this all the time lest you forget WW3 (kanaetai vs kaichiku)

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>>78795650
She's doing well for herself. But she's small enough that the Niji audience just ignores her, until she gets a role like this where they can't.

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>>78791182
EN ruined it didn't they? I fucking knew it

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>>78795723
That's just for his own stream, because he is uploading clips on his own channel. Twitter clips are fine, and everbody else povs is whatever.

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>>78793206
NijiJP doesnt invest any money in their organs and they have to cover all the costs.

Sounds familiar uh?

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>>78795999
Blame Luca. Again

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>>78795024
Not to get all
>What about hololive
But iirc things like the sports festival were mostly, if not completely organized by the talents themselves, they probably didn't have to pay hosting fees for the servers though

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>>78795106
The sisters are going to chase Hoshikawa out one day, and everyone will laugh at them when she re-debuts to bigger success.

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>>78793881
VCR is Vaultroom and Crazy Raccoon joint collaboration to bring events to the general JP streamer scene.
GTARP and its associated communities(which is not just specific to JP)is similar to vtuber community in some ways but it's like if
>the only game you watched your chuuba play was a Souls game
>and they could only ever play a souls game
>and there was constant backseating every hour, every day, every stream for their entire streaming career
>and if the streamer makes a mistake, some other chuuba gets flamed for it
Now just imagine the type of community that fosters, and you have the gist of what the roleplay watching viewer/fan is like.
>>78795650
Yes but some sisters attribute her as the idolfication of Niji. She's done a lot of unity pushing between Holo/Niji/Vspo.

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>>78792621
There's not really a long version beyond the fact that Sutogura is basically the vidya autists version of an ASMR vtuber where they have a massively huge 3-5x increase of viewers in that specific category of streams, only instead of attracting sleepybros and/or coomers it attracts Gamers. And combine that with the Japanese being naturally autistic and you've got people who get insanely pissed off when someone dares to break the status quo, like Kanae's aforementioned gang leaving (which was the best thing for all involved parties as it was becoming incredibly stale).

It's actually a really really really REALLY absurdly good server, not in terms of practicality because god is it buggy, but in terms of just how many people it's brought from 2view to consistent 5view status, and even when they're not doing Sutogura the debuff they get still lands them in solid 4view status, to say nothing of its ability in making connections. However it also ends up doing that thing where streamers/vtubers will end up spending all day and night on there having a fun time, which is great for them but mostly just creates a divide between people who like their streams and people who like their Sutogura content. Not always as there are a massive amount of people who like both, but the closest comparison I could probably make that the average person /here/ would get is when Luxiem joined NijiEN. I don't really know much else about EN vtuber groups, just that I'm happy for Shiori existing as Shiori despite the fact I never really watched her past life.
>>78793087
He's certainly got a history of feeding the trolls but usually he's smart about it when it really, really matters. And right now it does; he's in a position of the owner this time around, figured he wouldn't straight up say "if you keep bitching we'll cut the whole thing short" because all that does is make people wanna bitch more. When he quit ALLIN pretty much all of his complaints that I caught were "in-character". Less about the chatters and more about the gang itself but there was a mix of both. It was an absurdly retarded move on his end. The only excuse I can think up is that he's just been totally brain drained this past week.
>>78793102
That's a different scenario but I imagine it's only going to give trolls an easier target for shittery. If you ask me I have absolutely zero idea why a single person who couldn't speak Japanese was allowed into the server. At best you'd have a small group of a dozen people interacting with absolutely nobody outside of themselves and at that point... just go play Minecraft or something man.

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>>78796177
hoshikawa is replaceable considering how mid her numbers are (2.5k-3k ccv solo streams), shes not a toya or a kuzuha. riku is not going to lose sleep if she wants out, plenty other livers are up to replace her spot.

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>>78795999
EN didn't even get to join the server without speaking Japanese, anon. For once, it's not NijiEN's fault

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>>78796316
I keep being continuously surprised at how much people hate having fun. What's even the point of these RP games if you're going to be an autistic tryhard about it and drain all the fun someone could possibly have in it.

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>>78796377
Didn’t Luca join in on that other Rust or GRA server. Dude really inserts himself randomly, probably has the good graces of management so he can just join anything if he wants.

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>>78793937
It's flesh streamer fans vs vtubers

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>>78793206
Anyone freaking out about this should know how rich Kanae is and how tens of thousands of yen is pocket change

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>>78796494
She's a girl in Manjisanji, of course she's considered replacable.

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>>78791182
>Let’s skip the fact they said they paid EVERYTHING on their own pocket but Niji is the one getting all the SCs

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>>78796508
Luca was therefor 2 days though?

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>>78796377
How can Japs accurately RP Los Angeles (where GTA V basically is) without there being at least one gang of illegal foreigners speaking a completely different unintelligible language and funneling their stolen funds overseas

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>>78796657
Rules in RP help facilitate storylines and reducing griefing behavior(which is good) but people get super mad when their streamer gets slighted or "loses progress" in an interaction because roleplay viewers literally self-insert and superimpose themselves onto the character that the streamer creates- and they take it all personally.
It's insane and retarded. This is unironic parasocialism in the most realest sense. I'm honestly not joking that they make unicorns, fujos, nijisis look like amateurs when it comes to the amount of mental illness involved.

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>>78796316
>idolification of Niji is unity pushing between Holo/Niji/Vspo
What? Am I getting the premise right? Why?

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>>78797192
You aren't, there is next to no overlap between STGR autists and anti-idol/anti-unity sisters. Hoshikawa is getting heat from the former.

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>>78797045
They were okay with the idea of EN livers joining the server if they played by the rules and at least made attempts to communicate in basic Japanese.

The reason Luca got backlash is the same reason he gets backlash in everything he does. He was blowing up cars, starting fires, attacking people, and causing general mayhem without any regard or respect for the people around him. The guy is totally incapable of self-reflection or respecting others. The same dude destroyed the NijiEN Minecraft server and then refused to apologize for it, which already turned most of the EN fanbase against him. Then after being hated in pretty much every NijiEN event and soft-blacklisted for ruining them he jumped to JP and started doing the exact same thing. No one likes him except for his own delusional fans.

It's like if a single Holostars joined a HoloJP event and decided to start destroying everyone's shit and causing general mayhem, then management bans Holostars to protect them from the backlash they'd otherwise receive if they punished that individual member.

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>>78791816
so basically
> some autist board seethed about them ruining their autism fun
> 99% of normal people in their chat were cool with it
> he decided to address the retards instead of the ones that enjoyed the stream
why are nijis like this...

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>>78791816
what in heaven's name is this?

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>>78797045
The difference here is that the amount of EN's who joined the server was only like, 7 people. That's enough for a gang sure, but the matter of the fact is there ALWAYS has to be a translator online and it'd mean that any EN's who already had a gang like Meloco would be forced to join EN just so they could interact with the server. And like >>78797857 said Luca was basically just rampaging. I'm not against people lighting a spark and getting something to happen but I am against lighting a pirate ships worth of powder kegs.
>>78796814
I don't think so? Maybe he did join in VCR Rust or GTA but I imagine he stopped soon after as the only foreigners there was Axel and RPR's group and they were the kind of spark-lighter I'm talking about here, especially in Rust where they were constantly doing the raids. Kinda the antithesis to what Luca has shown himself to be.

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>>78798046
>why are nijis like this...
They are a product of 'inner-company competitive' culture Riku had poisoned their minds with. Most of the JP talents are gonna eat each other in some way or form even when EN is absorbed into the JP side. But I doubt Riku would care about that toxic culture until he is forced to care.

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>>78791816
I'm gonna be honest, I have absolutely no fucking idea what goes on in JP vtubing or streaming in general outside of Hololive

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>>78791816
>worse than junfags who made that stupid apex hitlist at one point to harass vtubers that wins or kills their guy
everytime i read the bad stuff about jap viewers it feels like schizos in here looks well behaved in comparision

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Also wait, he destroyed the nijiEN minecraft server? How? Did he go on a TNT run across it or something? If so that's really fucked.
>>78798046
Boiling it down to it's rawest level, basically. But you really do have to understand that the Sutogura fan crowd is LOUD loud. Think your average anti but 100x in both intensity and frequency, unless you're Chii-chan or Coco I guess. They're not all bad and not even remotely but good fucking lord those people can and will try to ruin things for people and have led to some problems. I agree Kanae shouldn't have said anything and he especially shouldn't have said what he said but the deeds done now and frankly, given the size of the server, it'll go on as normal anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78798396
Tbf. Juns fans are notoriously terrible and huge vtuber antis

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>>78798396
4chan is culturally and organizationally difficult to organize raids from ever since moot clamped down on things after the habbo hotel stuff so it's very difficult for things that are posted here to result in actual action, unlike 2ch

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>>78798590
>Also wait, he destroyed the nijiEN minecraft server? How? Did he go on a TNT run across it or something? If so that's really fucked.
worse, he deleted the server while trying to play a modded world with elira. finana was the admin and gave luca and selen admin rights. selen did everything admin-related so i'm not sure why luca was an admin. he logged into the server software and clicked the wrong server name then hit "save changes" which basically overwrote the entire NijiEN server with one of those escape room mods.

They restarted the server after this and the very first thing he did was use admin powers to spawn a giant diamond ore mountain for himself. The second thing he did was use admin rights to spawn multiple chests worth of netherite gear for himself so he wouldn't have to play the game. Meanwhile Pomu and Selen were manually gathering materials to build every material farm and tourist monument in the server and tried to do everything organically. Really telling that they were the ones pushed out of Niji while people like Luca remain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78798955
but what luca did was CRAZY content bro, organizing big branching events is totally worthless

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>>78798892
>4chan is culturally and organizationally difficult to organize raids from
/vt/ does raids all the time though

[Anonymous No.]

>>78798955
Luca is protected by management. He can be a menace and break contractual rules all he wants.

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>>78793102
No one got banned from anything they just decided to stop playing

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>>78799349
its different when phaseniggers do it. because the jannies are phaseniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>78799381
yeah they all just collectively decided to stop playing at the same exact time totally believable bro.

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>>78799435
>EN joins the server
>things are relatively awkward for most of them
>some schizos are seething
>EN sees the reaction
>"huh maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all"
Can you point out the unbelievable part? Also the person who inspired them to stop playing was Wilson who is one of the pussiest womanminded men alive, he's the guy who sperged out and stopped streaming for a week because he went menhera about crediting the wrong artist for his fan mascot
I'm glad most of them aren't playing though because it just doesn't make sense, I guess for the company unity and some fun little EN-JP interaction moments it's cute but this really isn't that kind of server

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>>78798955
Sorry, let me get this straight. He hosted a different server using the server admin tools for the nijiEN minecraft server, somehow overrode the world... and he didn't revert it? He just threw up his hands and said it's fucked? And then proceeded to cheat shit in while others presumably tried to rebuild it? Fucking hell man, I already had a low opinion of him just from him speaking entirely in Twitch memes to the point where even the JP's were saying poggers, but this is ridiculous. That's just malicious. I couldn't even imagine that happening to the JP world, countless people put chunks of their lives into that shit and I imagine EN did the same, the fact that there was no backups itself is worrying and puts away some blame from him but he shouldn't have used the EN server for anything but the EN server to begin with.

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>>78799435
I guess they all wanted to stop and just fucking asked to leave.

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>>78799862
I truly believe he sees himself as way more powerful than he is.

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>>78791182
But I thought the Niji fans were supposed to be the sane and composed ones? I thought their poor reputation was just slander?

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>>78791816
Yeah the whole rp scene in japan is very chaotic lol, disturb their immersion and they would get you for it

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>>78799862
To add some context, this was a server Finana made and ran, not staff, so it was about as incompetently managed as you could expect from Finana. After this whole debacle happened they decided their managers should be put in charge of the new server. This infamous Luca/Elira server-deleting collab happened in November 2022-ish? I think? And they couldn't revert it because Finana hadn't backed up the server since May. So they could either reset it to months before the fact when the server was relatively new or they could make a brand new world. They chose option 2 and did it in the worst way possible, trying to use WorldEdit to copy/paste all of the salvageable builds into a fresh empty world. They pasted stuff randomly and sporadically, Luca spawned the mountains of diamond ore the other anon mentioned and various other things for the lulz, it's still there just covered up with dirt AFAIK, multiple livers spawned in shit when they were in creative so they could keep it everyone was in survival again, etc. then they added a ton of shitpost mods to the server and had a big collab with most of the branch to celebrate the new server. Everyone just fucked around for a while, it was fun I guess but after that the mods were never used again and most people never played again. To this day only 3-4 people regularly play minecraft anymore when before it was 10-15, those who play now either play solo or on other Niji servers that exist
This whole situation is when people (myself included) really started to hate Luca, before that it was mostly just Pomudachi being annoyed because he was always breathing down Pomu's neck. Also he never apologized for fucking the server up, allegedly he did in private to other livers but the general public just got the middle finger.

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>>78799862
The backups for the NijiEN server were unknowingly broken for ~6 months (pretty much since the 2nd month of the server's existence). NijiEN staff were too cheap/lazy to set up a server for EN themselves, so Finana had to pay/set it up, and she never checked the monthly backups.

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>>78799688
>ignoring the elephant in the room that happened
>defending wilson out of nowhere
oh it's this sis again

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>>78799953
He’s being protected by a member of the board of directors, that’s why he feels untouchable.

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>>78801204
>>defending wilson out of nowhere
Your reading comprehension reps saaaar

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>>78800912
Was this when thegirl was doing everything for him on minecraft? So his dumbass naturally fucked up the firsttime he played the game. Or was that later?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78801204
>defending wilson
Are you illiterate?
>this sis
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78801283
yes the hagmod was around when this happened
i really wish i could see mint's reaction to the hagmod skinwalking reveal

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>>78797857
If the merge ever happens and this dude stays it will be interesting to see how he manages to stay afloat if he’s determined to burn any good graces he may have had with the jp audience

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>>78799862
It was a version downgrade to accommodate a horror map mod. He was trying to change the Minecraft version of the server in a web UI but selected the NijiEN server instead of the private one that was supposed to run the custom map. Tbf, he did immediately try to change the version back, but the downgrade already corrupted everything within render distance of the spawn. The latest backup save was too far back, and all the members agreed to just creative-mode everything back.
Originally, creative mode was to be restricted to just restoring the corrupted area, but Luca, Kyo, Uki, and probably some others just used it as convenience to do complete builds outside the area.

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>>78801283
If you mean Mizuchi, I'm pretty sure she only played for him a few times to build that massive amusement park. The context behind that was that he and Pomu were both making one and they had an ongoing friendly rivalry going on with it, so naturally Luca's first instinct was to get someone else to go build a new one in creative mode for him off stream while Pomu was making one in survival from scratch for fun so he could gloat about it.

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>>78791182
Since people already explained that it's the autistic stgr fanbase and not Niji's own fanbase pulling this, let me explain how stgr itself works. I'm very biased against it since it's become a really big piece of content for my oshi and I despise it, but I also think most people who are strictly vtuber fans wouldn't click with the environment at all. I know for a fact that Kanae has already lost a lot of his regular fans over it, even people who have been following him for many years.
The server is open for 12 hours a day 6 days of the week (used to be every day without breaks in the past), and everyone has to play "in character" over the whole duration, this also means using autistic terminology (instead of logging in they say waking up) and building relationships from 0, even with the people they already know. Maybe this is how it's like in general for RP server, but I wouldn't know or care, I just know it's super enforced and taken too seriously (just like this nijigta current situation). I believe the requirement for joining the server is having 10k followers on a streaming platform and 2 years of streaming experience, so literal nobodies can get into it. Thanks to the RP layer, everyone is put on the same level, which is a HUGE opportunity for leeching and clout chasing. "It's just role play!" is an excuse used whenever someone behaves inappropriately, and there is a lot of this because you aren't punished for doing anything risky and cancellable even if the other party is a big name. And it's essentially endless slop content, it goes on forever, taking up all of the streamer's time and taking over their other content for months and months on end. There's also very little chat interaction, so mixed with the RP it puts more distance between the streamer and fans.
And of course, the overly toxic community. For them, the RP is the only thing that matters, not the streamer. They feel entitled to having all these streamers sit on this shitty server all day and then cry when they don't log in for a while. But they won't ever bother watching the streamer do anything else, ever. By the way, some of them are the opposite extreme of unicorns - they see a guy and a girl interact on the server once and they completely unironically start begging not for more interactions, but for them to actually do "romance role play".
All this leads to alienating the core fanbase if you're a vtuber because most vtuber fans won't like at least one of these things. At this point I'm hoping this just blows up more so management can step in and ban stgr for good. It's sad to watch my oshi lose more and more of his actual fans just so that he can pull 20k stgr streams when most of those people are just toxic tourists.

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>>78800912
Fucking hell. The first rule of hosting a server is you NEVER touch the software except when backing it up, and the second rule is to always always always always back it up. Even Dola who hosted the JP server for its first few years made explicitly clear she was running it off an old computer she wasn't and wouldn't use unless she needed to do server stuff, and she backed it up... I think once every week? There was never any really notable rollbacks that I remember, hell the only server-side issue that I remember was the furnace incident. I think there was another back when Nijiland was still new but I can't remember. Regardless, the fact that he had access to the server tools when he wasn't even the one paying for it is already retarded to me, because on one hand I get splitting it across people if you're paying for a server host but on the other hand there's no reason to do so unless someone can't be there during the only time the owner would be needed AKA a DDoS or hacking. Just make other people op's or mods with commands.
Also I just realized what shitty server provider were they paying for that didn't have automatic backups? That's like, the first thing every server does. Have a daily reset where it gets automatically backed up but regardless: don't fucking touch the server. Holy shit.
>>78801021
From the tales I hear of EN management I'm not surprised they stayed away from them given how they're clearly even dumber than Luca, but I don't think management needs to be the owners of a server in specifics. Bringing up Dola again, she only decided to hand it off to staff after a couple years because she just didn't wanna be an admin all the time and it gave everyone more freedom to do stuff with it. I think she also said she was scared of something getting lost in the transfer and nobody noticing for weeks but this change happened probably in like 2020 so I can't actually remember the specifics, beyond the server originally being a SEEDs server and Chaika's konbu farm. But these servers are things people put their lives into man, not having a moderator on is one thing but it's another to not make autistically sure that shit don't get borked, and the idea that someone who doesn't even pay for the server can just fuck around with it and break everything infuriates me to no end.

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timestamp of sexpest pogman griefing and laughing at nothing because he doesn't know japanese and can't RP and did it when they weren't even around
https://www.youtube.com/live/VZ_q_L_y3pE?t=19071s
JP Reaction
https://youtu.be/-hORxonXNuc?t=4177
Reminder pogman sexpest was banned from NoPixel before
sisters pretending like they didn't get kicked for this shit

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>come in here to read up about whats going on
>I now hate this random nijiEN’s guts despite never watching any niji stream in my life
God what a horrible motherfucker, didn’t he harass some of the girls too? I wouldn’t be surprised if dude slid into DMs because he has the kind of ego thinking he can get away with anything

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>>78799862
What's arguably worse is that the damage that was done primarily affected the spawn chunk of the world (and the World Seed was wiped, causing no new chunks to generate, which is why they used WorldEdit to copy things to a new server). This means, the things that were completely lost (no backups) were the things built in the spawn chunk, ie. builds done by the earliest players in the server. People who joined later had to build further away from the spawn chunk, so their builds were unaffected.
This is where the real fucked up part comes in: who do you think the earliest players in the server were? The earliest waves, obviously. Lots of builds by Pomu, Selen, Finana, others were all in the spawn chunk. Later waves were further away, including builds by Vox and Luca (or his hag). So, Luca's fuckup only affected the girls - his stuff (and other Luxiem stuff) was completely fine. Really ticked me off seeing all the Luxiem fangirls downplaying the damage since their boys weren't affected. And of course, since Luxiem was management's golden goose, he faced no consequences and didn't have to make a public apology.

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>>78801615
Pogman's right hand man Shu wasn't banned though.

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>>78801483
>version downgrade
Yeah that'd explain how it got completely fucked then. But seriously though how the fuck is there a Minecraft server provider in... I'm going to assume this happened in 2022 since that's long after Luxiem debuted, without automatic backups? It's just insane, this whole situation is insane and I feel nothing but pain for the people who had their work deleted like this. At least let it age gracefully into the ether when people forget about it man.
>>78801560
Generally speaking I agree with you and your explanation is good, but I don't really like the idea of clout chasing since at the end of the day these servers are at least secondarily if not primarily to build up people. Maybe I'm biased because I like Fanta and Leon Daihyou quite a bit but I don't really have problems with people raising others up and others exploding in popularity, I have problems with the fans who like you said care far more about the RP than anything else. And the endless content. The endless content also fuckin' sucks. On the bright side most of the people who joined with the VCRGTA Closing Blues left after a couple of weeks. I don't exactly want Sutogura banned myself since the less restrictions there are the better, but on the other hand the idea of living in a timeline where any of SMC, or really just Yorumi and Shachou since I don't think Hakache's even in this server, ends up going full Kanae and making STGR a majority of their content for months makes me wanna do a triple axl backflip off a cliff and land ass-first into spikes.

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>>78801719
>random
He is the most notoriously disliked member of the whole NijiEN branch

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>>78796942
Fuck off you talk like one of those sisters that had it out for Selen. If management is too lazy to support the least they can do is fund part of large collab projects.

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>>78801786
This is only partially true, Vox had a massive blackstone castle he'd worked on for like 40 hours that got entirely wiped and Uki had a fuckton of stuff get deleted too. It was pretty much only Iluna that suffered no damages at all

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>>78801560
He is part of Chronoir. If some dude is making Kanae and to some extent Chronoir lose fans, then you bet your ass Anycolor will not just ban him, they will sue the shit out of him and get some juicy compensation from it. Anycolor may let loose some antis, but they will never ignore the antis of their golden organs, and if that drama affects their money bank (which they are really trying to avoid now that EN failed), they will dedicate entire lawsuit department for you

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>>78791816
this is minecraft fans level of autism, I swear.

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>>78799688
>Can you point out the unbelievable part?
NijiEN talents collectively making a rational decision

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>>78791182
the homobeggars and shippers fandom is always and always will be the worst...

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>>78801560
I’m only slightly aware of these kinds of streams and I have dumb questions: what is sutogura short for and is it like run by a company or is it just a kind of genre of streams

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>>78801560
>By the way, some of them are the opposite extreme of unicorns - they see a guy and a girl interact on the server once and they completely unironically start begging not for more interactions, but for them to actually do "romance role play".
reminds me of nopixel

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>>78802016
>some dude
I think you misunderstood her entire post, it's not a single person targeting Kanae it's a roving band of autistic GTA roleplay drones, you can't sue someone who'd rather click on a stgr stream than a monhun stream

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>>78796140
This is true, Towa in particular has talked about it being expensive to host the Mario Kart tournament. People here either don’t know about that though, or just ignore it in favour of flinging shit in the insane tribalfag war.

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>>78802006
Vox's castle was untouched, Uki only had minor damage to his witch hut area

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>>78802186
Streamer GTA, it's a massive JP GTA server that's pretty self explanatory

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>>78802186
Different anon but it's just shorthand for the server's name Street Graffiti. It's run by Shobosuke and a team of others who are mostly unknown to my knowledge, and paid for through donations via fanbox where you also get info on upcoming additions to the server, notably stuff like clothes or new mods. Also unrelated but Shobosuke just did a radio show with Average, which is a name that might not even mean anything to the other anon but makes me happy to see he's still around and kickin'. If you want more info there's an entire wiki page about it, but I imagine GTL and DeepL will tell you to eat shit if you try to translate it.
https://w.atwiki.jp/streamergta5/

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>>78802330
Ohhh okay yeah I get it now, グラ from grand. Thanks

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>>78799953
He's probably a high school drop out that got raised as a Niji family member by one of the JP managers. They give him breaks but he's immature, part of the boyish appeal. The problem is he is a young adult that refuses to wise up. His fans are just as bad as the staff who over indulge his shitty behavior.

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>>78802481
Thanks
Okay so I guess sutogura comes from that then. kinda funny it can have the two meanings.

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>>78801894
>but I don't really like the idea of clout chasing since at the end of the day these servers are at least secondarily if not primarily to build up people
That's true, the thing is, I don't like those people. VCR is fine, professional streamers are fine, people who try to pull shit for attention, even when it's negative, is not. Let me share one example that didn't blow up because Kanae didn't bring it up on stream: there was a girl who tried setting up an one-sided crush ""role play"" with him, completely on her own, and initially there were a lot of stgr autists who wanted it to happen and progress, but once Kanae's fans learned about it they started saying not to involve him in it because he clearly stated that he wouldn't be doing anything of the sort (isn't it fucking obvious?). Then this lead to stgr fans trying to attack gachikois, and the girl acting like a poor victim getting harassed, making passive aggressive tweets, and then finally privating her Twitter after she probably got contacted behind the scenes and was told to drop the whole thing.
There was also a girl who accussed naruse (who she met on stgr), aka a popular utaite, of scamming people out of money (as in irl, not RP) and then posted about overdosing on drugs on Twitter. Very professional behaviour and guess what, this was buried and she's still on the server.
I'm aware I'm kinda biased but it's been months of this daily, can you blame me?
>>78802016
Unfortunately it's Kanae himself making the decision to stay on this server and play even though his fans constantly tell him they dislike it and just want to see regular streams. And if we're being technical, these people are simply criticizing "RP" behaviour and not directly anti-ing him. They could just ban stgr completely, though.

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>>78801021
One thing about nijisanji's management that is obvious for people who keep up with it is that they're very hands off when it comes to these and they don't take projects created by the members unless they're asked to and it's unlikely someone else will step up and take over or start the same project unless the torch is passed to them in some way the public can recognize it
for better recent examples of this, by now there would be talks about niji koshien but with maimoto's hiatus and that koshien being a project that was his and tenkaiji's it's probably not going to happen this year and tenkaiji being a cofounder of the project could give continuity to it without many issues because the whole idea of a vtuber koshien was also his. another example would be the NJU, there wasn't one last year because rindou got drained after managing the 2nd and 3rd events and didn't want to continue, in the end the company won't just steal the brand of the project she created and use it because they know it wouldn't sit well with the audience
so, back to nijiEN's minecraft server, I'm not too keen on the details but management at the time likely saw that as finana's and the rest of the group project and didn't interfere because that's the standard practice

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>>78802503
No the gura is from grafitti like this >>78802481 anon said, I just meant it's a GTA server for streamers

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>>78802629
I don't think I heard about the second one at all, but was that first one Laeria? I think I remember hearing about that. Either way I can see your point even if I prefer to look on the better side of things, since there are absolutely people who'll try to force their ways in rather than simply just being entertaining on their own and finally getting found like my examples. I've also long since been tired of sutogura.

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>>78802722
Yeah I read that after I posted that and then I replied to it, that reply just happened to be posted first

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>>78802629
i thought that nijiGTA would have scratched the itch for people to move away from stgr but we'll see after it ends, i will not be surprised if the usual suspects hop back on

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>>78802751
The first one was Ruu, the second one was ベルモナ, I'm not sure if Laeria's ever stepped out of line like that but she's pretty annoying too, wouldn't surprise me. It's true that some streamers did genuinely click with the server well and I like Peinto who Kanae hangs out with, but I just want my oshi out at this point. Or at least to play his police character so there's less autistic storylines that I don't care about.
>>78802922
I've lost hope at this point and I've been seeing so many beggars during this period (asking for people to log in to their stgr chars and even for people to start it after nijigta) and I don't know why they're being given the time of the day.

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>>78802629
>Unfortunately it's Kanae himself making the decision to stay on this server and play even though his fans constantly tell him they dislike it and just want to see regular streams.
For some reason, this is a common theme among gta rp streamers. I follow the flesh-stream world a bit and there's quite a few big name streamers (that you'd probably recognize even) who go through these periods where they become obsessed with GTA RP even though their fans hate it and it kills their numbers. Idk what it is that causes this but it's an occupational hazard apparently.

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>>78803121
its infected people i watch who aren't vtubers and it's killed my enjoyment of nijiGTA because i am sick of GTA in general, same with the few english streamers i used to watch more regularly with that stupid nopixel server, i don't get this addiction because i'll click random vods and both EN and JP are just fucking standing around doing nothing. it's like drugs.

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>>78802686
>so, back to nijiEN's minecraft server, I'm not too keen on the details but management at the time likely saw that as finana's and the rest of the group project and didn't interfere because that's the standard practice
The point more is that Finana should not have had to set one up for EN in the first place. Management should have set it up & managed it themselves. At that point in time, management already controlled the JP, ID, KR, and World servers, so it seems like a no-brainer for them to add an EN server to the mix (especially since linking the servers together would be a natural next step). But no, management was too cheap/lazy to do it, which could have prevented all of this entirely.

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>>78803121
>I don't know why they're being given the time of the day.
Because RPing in GTA is really fucking fun, no one would do it if it wasn't. Also a lot of newbies don't know yet how to handle the wave of new viewers

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>>78791182
Seriously asking, wtf did they think was going to happen?

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>>78803312
The reason there wasn't one int the first place is because there weren't enough people for it from the start, eventually Finana wanted to be in charge of something so she did it. Staff handled the other servers because it's what the livers wanted, once EN wanted it then they did the same for them.

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>>78803258
The autistic RP server audience is definitely a factor too, they probably add "pressure" for the streamer to stay on the server. No matter how "fun" it is for them, is it really worth the loss of your loyal audience? I hate to speak in numbers, but nowadays Kanae can get 5k ccv for his solo streams which is so much lower than what it used to be. A lot of his artists/dedicated fan accounts I follow just stopped posting or post about something else now. Personally it's depressing to see, and I always thought he cared for his audience too, so I'm struggling to make sense of it all.
>>78803287
God the fucking talking for an hour without even doing anything else. And then people say that it was such amazing RP, I'll never understand.

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>>78801560
I wonder what Hoshikawa Sara and Kenichi Suzumura like so much about it. His stgr streams in particular can go up to 8 hours.

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I checked Kanae's twitch channel because I see posts complaining about him doing nonstop RP.

He's getting like 500k views per VOD when he does this and I think gets like 20k+ average views. He's raking in the money. It's not surprising why he doesn't stop. He doesn't have to actually think and do any extra stuff to get money.

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>>78803721
this whole complaint people have with the language barrier with EN and JP remind me of how actual drama happened with KRs vs JPs on stgr due to poor JP understanding causing fail RP with the CR boys. cue the several streams in a row of everyone just standing in a building trying to figure out whats going on

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>>78804164
Actually he didn't have twitch monetized for months and months of non stop stgr. The thing is that he does get those views but it comes at the cost of basically everything else, so I don't know if he's even earning more than usual. His superchats on youtube (when he streams there) have noticeably gone down.
Plus if he wants to numberfag so bad he totally could but he's never been the type to do that in the past.

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>>78804348
>Actually he didn't have twitch monetized for months and months of non stop stgr.
Scratch what I said then. What the fuck? Twitch not monetized while doing shit like this that can basically kill your userbase? He's fucking stupid.

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>>78804348
>>78804492
I don't know what you are all bitching about? You talk like Kanae isn't successful or can't afford to host. The problem is the reaction from the overall community which is polarizing.

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>>78804289
NijiGTA is nowhere near as complex and autistic as sutogura, some of the viewers might be, but the participants are all vaguely familiar with each other and on the same side so to speak by merit of being from Nijisanji, so it's just more of an awkward "why are they here again?" situation than anything else, at least for most of the EN people who joined. In theory I don't see issue with them participating a little (assuming they aren't causing problems) as long as it's just to pop in for a couple hours once or twice because it is a company event, but in the end I do think it's for the better for everyone that they sit this one out

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>>78791392
Someone who isn't me should make an "unlimited bully works edit".

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>>78804164
>He's raking in the money.
Anon, the amount of money a vtuber and especially Nijisanji gets from superchats and members is quite literally nothing compared to merch. And I do mean nothing. Like actually nothing. Merch is by far and away the largest across every single mid and above-sized company.

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>>78804675
i know that which is what makes the endless threads about EN joining nijiGTA hilarious because they have no idea how bad it gets when true autists are involved

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>>78804788
It's so sad to see how only the golden organs of Niji get fuckton of money while the rest are poor as fuck. Then in Hololive you can bet that more than half of them are raking in cash to the hundred thousands of dollars and at east 5-10 or even 15 of the them are millionaires in some way.

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>>78804492
Somehow, he seems to think of the stgr spam as no different from spamming any other game he's super into at the moment (apex, valo..) even though the difference in environments should be noticeable to anyone. It'll probably take him doing something big solo, and then that performing way worse than usual, to give him a reality check, but by then it may be too late.
>>78804594
>I don't know what you are all bitching about?
Oh nothing, totally not the fact that I haven't been able to enjoy my oshi's streams properly since september of last year and I'm seeing him lose fans in real time. And now this same audience that he's been choosing to prioritize is ruining the overall state/enjoyment of a big niji event like this that should be enjoyable for everyone involved.

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>>78793206
They have something good going on and these fucking morons are actually trying to kill it.

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>>78796140
Yes, I'm pretty sure 95% of ppl here know that. Even the fanbase can be retarded as well, just not nearly as bad a Nijis. There was that 1 retard who sent an aka supa to Miko saying she sucked at hosting. But at least when the worst Holofans harass the talents, they give them money...

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>>78791816
数字JP vtubers general talks about sutogura often enough, just because so many JP chuubas are in it. I'm a sutogura clip watcher and the entire Kanae quitting his gang arc is absolutely kino. Didn't know he got harassed for it.

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>>78798955
No apology. No accountability. Me. Me. Me. Actual highschool level behavior.

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>>78805081
Is that moment translated? stgr translations are pretty rare.

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>>78804939
It isn't the same audience. It's people like you who can't enjoy the GTA content and go out of their way to trash it all publicly. The majority of NijiJP fan base are also drama whores so this sort of shit was inevitable. The reason why there's less tension when its other small streamers in public servers is because the mix is refreshing. Everyone has no benefit of the doubt so they go max parasocial on who their oshis should hang out with.

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>>78805160
you are crazy if you're saying stgr has less tension than nijigta

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>>78805160
Anon, do you even know what you're talking about? I'm trashing stgr for reasons I explained above, I'm actually enjoying nijigta a lot because it has almost none of those problems stgr does. It's true that a lot of Niji fans get heated over certain interactions in these big servers (especially if it has pvp), but right now people are being mad at.. RP and "storylines" being ruined, which is the exact same thing stgr autists do in their server.

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>>78798955
To be fair it wasn't THE WHOLE server, but the damage done wasn't neglibible. Raziel had to spend days rebuilding what he and Elira destroyed, though.

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>>78805352
in fact nijigta has some of the worst parts of stgr removed since 1. everyone vaguely knows each other so there's no point in openly clout chasing 2. job system means everyone is preoccupied doing something where even people hanging out in a cafe got roped into a huge cop bust 3. godmodding being openly utilized by server owners makes for hilarious clips. minus hskw's mess-up but even that lead to something funny

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>>78805454
Pretty much, it's also a limited time event meaning it won't get too boring and overwhelming to follow.

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>>78791182
why does your post say something different than the tweet?

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>>78805535
An uninformed Holofag made the thread.

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>>78801615
Reading all the JP RP autism in this thread and then seeing this is awful
The women who support this faggot are beyond help, I hope you all end up being used and dumped like Raziel

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>>78805454
Hoshikawa lighting furen on fire for rp flirting with deron was hilarious but now that EN audience is watching this im worried that retards will think that they really hate each other or something

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>>78806040
this thread alone proves that EN audience has other things to worry about

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>>78791182
Niji sisters are trying to beat Just Stop Oil in the lacking self awareness contest.

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>>78795413
mainstream/normalfag games consistently have the worst fanbases out of all games no matter the country

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>>78797857
To add to this Luca before becoming Luca was a GTA5rp streamer who got banned from Nopixel the biggest EN GTA 5 rp server. He got banned for sexual harassment and for sniping XQC(XQC being one of the reasons I quit watching rp. Fuck that autistic faggot and his cancer ass fanbase.) and trying to run into him as much as possible. So this faggot that the kind of shit he has been doing for a while and will continue to do because they just let him do whatever he wants.

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>>78806603
>banned for sexual harassment
On top of what other people where saying this is why nopixel and sgtr aren’t fun too. They have a strict sexual harassment policy but if people like a ship it suddenly goes out the window and it’s not enforced. The sexual harassment rule isn’t used to actually protect people it’s used to stop ships people don’t like

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>>78806952
There's hitting on girls with rizz and being a creep. What line do you think Luca falls on?

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Damn, and I thought those weirdo US/EU GTA RP groups were weird. After reading all this, I think I need to lay down. This is some peak autism.

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>>78807209
why do you keep looping back to luca this is about nijiGTA

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I mostly only watch Furen, and while the GTA RP streams were fun at first, 1 week straight of just the same thing is getting kind of boring and I wish she'd just go back to variety streaming and continue Ace Attorney.
Now that I learned this kind of shit attracts mega autists I'm hoping that it ends before Furen starts getting shit on too for whatever retarded reason.

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>>78808039
I live everyday in fear that furen is going to attract retarded antis between her getting more popular, her doing more social stuff, and her have tons of super long clips

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>>78796377
Those streams are botted to hell and back though. This isn't natural. Kuzuha especially is getting botted hard. They even botted him to have more views than Iroha's 3d live. It was the most obvious shit ever when all he did in the game was standing in a room and talking to chat.

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>>78791816
>>78791182
still dont have much idea of what youre saying, but thanks i guess. Maybe i just dont care at all

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>>78808736
Thank you for your input

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>>78791182
The Japanese Nijisanji fanbase are full of mentally ill people
I think I quit watching them around that time when they had a PVP Ark server, with Kuzuha and Ars' fans attacking each other for some light hearted PVP action

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>>78808039
isn't there only a few days left or something?

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>>78796140
Hololive staff helps them with the server setup at least, there's a bunch of times where they were caught playing inside the event servers

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>>78791182
its just karma, hoshikawa got some western education, i dont really consider her a jp member, she is pretty much a karen, she is a yab machine but dont like people to talk about it, the last time she did a mess thanks to her censorship campaign against any content creator that did any non-favorable mention of her shit.

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>>78806952
I didn't want to focus on this too much because I didn't want to make it seem like stgr only sucks for gachikois, and it's in fact one of many, many issues, but I also hate that as well.I didn't even know a no sexual harassment policy existed, because sekuhara ''jokes'' happen constantly and it's just gross. Shipping is cancer too, a streamer can tell people to stop shipping and that they're not going to use the game to e-date, but that doesn't stop people from making those comments at all. And of course, at the end of the day, they attack vtuber fans/gachikois for not letting their oshi ''have fun''.
>>78808704
NijiGTA isn't stgr, Kuzuha isn't on stgr (thank god). I don't really care to argue about the botting autism, but stgr autists genuinely exist, there's a lot of them and they're fucking loud. Discussion about stgr often overshadows discussions about Kanae's regular streams for example.

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>>78809423
chinese detected

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From what I have seen looking at the JP reaction to the whole thing it's most just Luca that fucked everything up for EN by going on their server and acting like le epic troll as if he's the main character when nobody in the JP audience gives a fuck about him and he's just ruining their fun? I have seen a number of comments saying if they were just quietly sightseeing and can actually speak/understand JP like Rosemi and Elira it would have been fine.

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>>78809528
The EN issue is separate from the issue OP is referring to.

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>>78809528
>fucked everything up for EN
I just have no idea why you guys keep saying this, in fact even more ENs are joining today.

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>>78809528
The EN issue is a separate issue from the kanae and hoshikawa issue since its part of the smaller dramas that are niji centric rather than gta centric
iirc theres some small drama between fuwa and one of the female livers as well

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>>78792377
>They make mikeneko look like a sane person.
The woman who said she could hear the voice of God in her head after going off her meds for too long on stream, that Mikeneko?

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>>78809698
>Entire thing is a shitstorm
>EN joins
So you are saying it’s gonna get worse.

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>>78810171
NTA but yes.

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>>78809698
If I was in the position of the people there that day I wouldn't want to go back to doing that knowing you are going to be under increased scrutiny and would have a bunch of people looking for you to put one foot out of line. It's just not worth it at that point. Elira came up with an excuse to bail on her 2nd day stream. Rosemi will never go back. Wilson has publicly dropped out. Luca would be crazy to go back. Probably the only people involved in that stream that will ever be active again on the server are Meloco and Shu.

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The point a gta rp is to create drama and content

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>>78810259
If I were a watcher instead of a threadreader like you are, I would want to see them mingle with JPs as the server wraps up with an event featuring recruitment of players not affiliated with gangs.

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>>78808704
Are "they" with us in the thread right now?

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>>78810636
I'm not talking about what I want, I am talking about how Luca acting like a troll and angering the Japanese viewers to the point of getting flamed for it has probably put a lot of EN members off participating knowing that could be them if they get one rule wrong or make some mistake. Getting to see the EN members interact with JP members is always fun, hence its annoying that his behaviour led to this outcome.

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>>78793206

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>>78812180
>everything
they usually get interest-free loans from the company

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>>78810645
Well since you're here..

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>>78810883
>its annoying that his behaviour led to this outcome.
The only thing that truly happened is the weak constitution ENs backed out while everyone who was actually having fun is staying and curious ones are joining.

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>>78812180
This is just another one of those no win debates that people use as an excuse to hate on something they want to hate on. When the company starts actually doing things people just switch to complain about it being too corporate and soulless now the management is involved or it being unfair they did something that benefits one group more than another or whatever else.

>>78812312
Anycolor do that too, I remember one of the EN members before talking about how she funded something that way with Anycolor taking a certain amount back from the money she makes to repay it.

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>>78812444
>Anycolor do that too
Proof that they are interest-free loans? Because Selen paid 200k from her own pocket

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>>78812618
Not really sure how that is relevant. It would be coming from her pocket either way? Either through a reduced payment or through paying up front.

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>>78812618
Proof that Hololive has interest free loans? Because Marine is tens of millions of yen (over 200k) in debt.

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>>78792377
>You do not understand GTA RP watchers
just call them nijinigger, faggot

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>>78812727
>Anycolor does the same
Does it? Do they give interest free loans?
>>78812735
Okayu and Moona have talked about it, you can find clips on youtube

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>>78812821
Anon, they are literally talking about an audience that isn’t the nijisanji audience. Read the thread properly.

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>>78791816
why can't they just keep the server among themselves (nijisanji) without inviting these outsiders fag? they have enough livers to participate on whatever tf events they do

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>>78812735
nta iirc marine broke down the flat cost of the mv in one of her streams and implied it was the same amount she payed cover for

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>>78812735
Okayu has an EN sub clip about it after she did a music animated vid.

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>>78809447
>but stgr autists genuinely exist, there's a lot of them and they're fucking loud
50k though? It's just a loud group so they appear bigger than they actually are but there is maybe 2k of them

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>>78802481
so it's something like dream smp?

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>>78812898
Yeah I remember one of the members talking about funding a music video that way with Anycolor paying up front for it then them taking the money back as a wage deduction over time.

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>>78812939
Anon? They didn’t invite outsiders? They’re talking about the audience.

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>>78812821
Why are you entering a reply chain when you clearly cannot read English? How come at a certain time, what was an actually civil thread is now gaining room temperature IQ responses such as yours?

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>>78812727
NTA but post proof of someone who can back up Niji provides interest free loans.
>>78812735
Spill it for us sister

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>>78812444
>Anycolor do that too
Nah Reza has talked about how his net revenue still had to be deducted due to "operating cost" and how he had to sometimes chose between putting food on the table or his vtuber career
Theres 2 clips of him talking about it floating around from 2 different streams

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>>78812962
>Implied
If she never said it outright doesn't that mean that she wasn't able to legally because it's a lie?
They obviously need to pay interest on things or else Marine would never even get into debt. She's one of our top earners.

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>>78812982
>there is maybe 2k of them
What an asinine observation. You're a numberfag, go pull up his numbers on a stgr stream.

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>>78813101
Okayu has said it out right. Post anyone from Niji saying they do interest free loans please.

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>>78813047
>wah wah wah don't shit muh niji civil thread waaahhh
cry about it faggot. not your safe space

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>>78812939
The server IS just Niji livers, but a lot of stgr fans are watching it and treating it just like their strict RP server (which nijigta isn't). The two audiences (vtuber fans and gta rp autists) clash a lot.
>>78812982
Here look at it this way: Kanae regularly gets 8k-10k ccv (less nowadays because a lot of his fans left), when he does stgr this goes up to 20-25k. When he was at the peak of big RP ''drama'' he went all the way up to 70k. The thing is though, these people don't care about a specific streamer, they just go to whoever has the best POV/storyline/where drama is happening. They're operate similarly to vcr tourists except those at least care about the streamers they watch a little bit.
Trust me I wish it was just bots because maybe then I wouldn't need to constantly see posts about retarded RP shit I don't care for.

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>>78813147
Feel free to make yourself look retarded by misreading posts.

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>>78813013
>Yeah I remember one of the members talking about funding a music video that way with Anycolor paying up front for it
yeah thats kind of a load of crap considering music relate stuff is the shittiest part of nijisanjis contracts because they dont fund you but pay you a small fixed fee for singing the music
deron talked about it in the past and it was one of akane and melissas biggest gripes

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>>78813013
Link? What member? What MV?
>wage deduction
Organs don't have a salary tho

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>>78813091
I'm not really sure how that relates to this point. If you're struggling to make enough to put food on the table you're definitely not going to take loans from a company that would mean even further deductions on your wage going forward.

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finally all of my time learning jp language is paid off.
ill join antis on harassing them, such is my duty for eliminating an evil existence since my birth.

TOTAL NIJI DEATH

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Is there a video of anyone saying Niji gives interest free loans?

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>>78813338
That's something completely different lol nobody gets paid by the company form posting MVs on their own channel in any company. We're talking about personal projects of the members not recording contracts with Lantis like Deron has.

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>>78813472
>We're talking about personal projects of the members
which is what akane was complaining about
she wanted to do her own music projects but niji wouldnt let her even with her own funds
same with melissa

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>>78813531
That was a copyright issue. All corpos own their talents music.

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>>78813391
>I'm not really sure how that relates to this point
the "operating cost" was him paying for that cancelled project thing that he loaned from niji

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>>78813554
>. All corpos own their talents music.
no not really
holos can make their own music thats not owned by the corpo but can be sold to the corpo
good example is polka who wanted to sell her song to cover

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Its so weird to see people treating this like it's some incredible generosity Hololive does for their talents or something. This shit is standard stuff companies do. Most companies I have worked at if you use public transport will pay for a year pass for you then take it back from your wage monthly. My current company even have a program where you can borrow money to buy new tech products and have that deducted monthly. I never use any of them though because I'd rather just pay for it upfront and keep my wage intact.

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>>78813703
Thats what people are saying they won't do though? Niji will pay for the thing up front and then take back the amount through payment from your wages. That's what a loan is...if you are saying they do that then the only point of debate would be if they charged interest on the repayments or not.

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>>78813752
>no not really
Yes really. If you release music under Hololive or Nijisanji, they own it. If they graduate, they cannot take the music back. That is a major reason why Melissa and Akane left. They released a ton of music but could not do anything with it outside of Nijisanji and could not own creative control over previously released originals. The same happens in Hololive. It's a corpo thing. The company owns the model and content.

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>>78813811
> Its so weird to see people treating this like it's some incredible generosity Hololive does for their talents or something
>This shit is standard stuff companies do
Of course it's standard, that's why we are laughing at nijisanji for doing scummy shit

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>>78813949
> the only point of debate would be if they charged interest on the repayments or not.
nta but that was the original point of the debate

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>>78814005
>scummy shit
holo does loans too.

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>>78813993
>Yes really. If you release music under Hololive or Nijisanji, they own it.
No not really
Multiple holos have released music under Hololive but still owning the music themselves along with the revenue and with the option of them selling it to cover or not a good example is Polkas hologram circus song
mutliple holos like matsuri and polka have done so

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>>78813811
Anon paying $40 for your transport so you don't miss work is not the same as offering to pay $50k for your music project and allow you to pay back in deductions for a year with no Interest rate

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>>78814156
>still owning the music themselves
They do not own it. Selling the rights to your music to a company to get it onto streaming services is textbook "I do not have personal control over this IP anymore". Does no one here remember Taylor Swift's entire music ownership debacle?

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>>78814274
>They do not own it.
Anon they literally said that they own it and not cover

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>>78814274
>Cover needs to buy the rights to the song that they already own
what kind of retarded logic is that

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>>78814360
Your screenshot contradicts your words.

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Why is NijiJP starting to have lots of drama? I thought it was all contained in NijiEN?

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>>78814398
I am talking about Polka's personal music she sold to Cover. Are you unable to follow a reply chain? It's not even that many posts long.

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>>78791816
>there are people who take the Cultural Enrichment Simulators seriously

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>>78814404
see>>78814398
Why the fuck would cover buy a song they already own?

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It is wild seeing such a fired discussion between nijis and holos but is still somehow somewhat civil without name calling.

I guess JP side truly is better.

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>>78814225
I dunno what 3rd world country or backwater nowhere you live in but paying for public transport for a year is thousands not $40.

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>>78814453
>Are you unable to follow a reply chain?
Are you? youre the retard who implied that every music they release as a holo is automatically owned by cover

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>>78802279
Do you have the stream where Towa talks about this?
Because from what I gather it's not exactly expensive to host Holo Marika because it's a fucking mario kart, and more that organizing the tournament mess with her schedule eats into her time.
This is why she's so glad when Okayu joined.

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>>78793705
This is maybe the most retarded take you could throw down after reading these tweets. Is your reading comprehension really that bad? I think you need to re-enroll in some basic English courses

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>>78809131
Didn't one of the Holos say this? That the Holostaff were helping out in one of events that the Holos were doing and they saw the staff laughing and playing around the server?

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>>78814126
Free interest loans

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>>78814722
theres a clip where a couple of the staff accidentally logged in while a holo was streaming in order to test something out

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>>78814543
>every music they release as a holo is automatically owned by cover
This is true. I don't get why you're arguing about such a simple fact. Do you perhaps not know how corporate vtubing works? Cover is not handing out vtuber models for free. The money she gets off her songs goes to her, but Cover owns the IP. She cannot take it back.

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every company does interest free loans dipshits it's called an Amex card

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>>78814914
Just watch any holo maikura sport festival and chance are you'd spot support staff either in the background or as gods.

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>>78814840
Anon, interest-free loan and free interest loan are two very different thing.

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>>78814948
>This is true. I don't get why you're arguing about such a simple fact.
Because it is contradicted by the fact that Holos can sell music they make to cover even as a holo as evidenced by polka selling the song she made as polka to cover even though you keep insisting that cover automatically owns the song
>Do you perhaps not know how corporate vtubing works?
Just because niji has a shitty buisness practice doesnt mean everyone is doing it

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>>78814993
>He thinks niji organs has Amex card
Vivi literally couldn't afford to buy food

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>>78814993
I've literally never heard of a company charging interest on these kind of loans to employees. So I'm not sure why people would think otherwise unless one of the members explicitly stated Anycolor was charging interest on a project they paid for upfront.

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>>78815123
Its not that farfetched considering how anycolor operates like with their taxes

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>>78815169
Are you talking about that thing with Mika where she somehow managed to be a vtuber who knows plenty of other vtubers but not realize she had to do her own taxes and the company wasn't doing it for her? She was at Anycolor for years , other members she's friends with complain publicly about doing their taxes, her best friend in Niji Mysta talked publicly about his accountant doing his taxes. Its so weird to me she could be around all that and still somehow think they were taking care of that for her. Seems like wilful ignorance.

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>>78815371
Get your tongue out of Riku's ass sister, that can't be healthy for you

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>>78814441
Luca fucked up during the Niji GTA collab by being an asshat. But there is also tension by the normal NijiJP crowd as the collab takes away other content and of course not everyone likes GTA stuff.

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>>78815371
>company deduct payroll taxes from your income even though you are just a contractual worker
>surprised that company didnt pay taxes and screwed you over
classic nijisanji

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>>78815489
>there is also tension by the normal NijiJP crowd as the collab takes away other content and of course not everyone likes GTA stuff
People are also worried their oshi might move to stgr afterwards and there's no getting out of that then.

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>>78815505
Forgetting to do taxes is her own fault though?

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>>78815574
forgetting to pay payroll tax is the employers fault anon unless they were pocketing the deductions

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>>78792377
this is true even back to the earliest big gtaRP thing that i can remember, one of the people 'pretending' to be an asshole cop turned out to be an asshole and the owners or something of the server had a big internal fight and some members split off from it, etc. etc.
always some bullshit and drama from those psychos and the viewers always reflect that

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>>78815632
Fair enough

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>>78815505
It sounds.like what you're saying is the company was deducting the taxes they have to pay to the government for employing her, so she assumed that meaned they were also paying her income tax for her, despite being surrounded by people that regularly complain about having to do their own taxes that work at the same company whenever tax season comes up. Its just incredibly dumb.

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>>78815713
>meaned

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>>78815632
Weird how she was the only one who did not have an accountant when everyone else did. And the only one who didn't know what taxes were.

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>>78815684
not even a gta related thing since the same thing a happened with ars and another fleshtuber in the vcr streams years back

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>>78815858
>VCR streams
>Years back
Huh?
Do you meant CR?

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>>78815832
>nijisanji has favoritism issues
im more shocked that you never realized it

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>>78815909
meant cr
it was the 1st season of rust if i recall

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>>78815832
I could buy that she didn't realize in the first few months or something but being there years, while being friends with someone like Mysta even who publicly complained about having to deal with his accountant and taxes more than once. No idea how you don't realize it's not like the other members keep it a secret they have to do their own taxes.

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>>78815919
I don't really think it's favoritism, more like naivite or a mental deficiency to assume your taxes are all magically handled.

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>>78815858
This kind of thing can happen during big events like that too, but it's a daily thing with gta rp specifically, and somehow extra autistic. VCR is time limited anyway, so the autism can be contained.

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>>78815973
That wasn't CR I think, it's just like stgr but Rust.
I remember it because that was the server that Lap-sama originally wanted to join before Cover finally did HoloRust

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>>78816014
Even Legal Mindset laughed at her stupidity. Nijisanji is black don't get me wrong, but this was a classic female zoomer moment to not put any thought into your taxes or what's happening with your income.

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>>78798354
Lets just put it this way. There is a reason Hololive generally avoids JP streamer events like this. The mainstream JP streamer culture is pure unfiltered cancer.

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>>78816017
nah its clear favoritism
especially when some of the branch members have hinted the same things as well like in etnas rm fleshie cosplay channel

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>>78816119
What the hell does that have to do with taxes. If youre an indog who doesn't know how taxes work that is your own fault.

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>>78813239
Anon im not denying there are dramafags watching but you are delusional if you think the entire ccv is legit. Kuzuha literally went up 20k while doing nothing on the server just because iroha got a higher ccv with her 3d live. The moment she did, the retarded nijisisters botted him. You can look it up.

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>>78791182
>Hoshikawa
I have to ask because I am truly confused now. Does anyone actually like Hoshikawa? Or are you all just trolling me? I really can't tell anymore.

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>>78816940
Even if you don't like her, she hosted a cool thing for everyone in Niji to enjoy and now she's getting attacked for something absolutely retarded. I don't think anyone really deserves that.

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>>78816940
Hoshikawa is hated within the niji fanbase and loved everywhere else
Even salome lost 10k subs because of her interaction with her a few months back

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>>78816940
>Does anyone actually like Hoshikawa? Or are you all just trolling me?
We are trolling you. Everyone unsubbed from her and she graduated yesterday. This post >>78817086 is representative of the entirety of Japan.

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>>78816119
her company rant was pretty vague and did not give any clues whether it was niji or some other company she worked with aside from the revenue share thing

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>>78791816
Dear Lord that's autistic

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>>78817086
Maybe she should consider moving on
Also I think the fact that she's a very attractive woman IRL makes the sisters seethe because she has a huge chance of dating one of their oshis. So definitely the sisters are afraid lmao

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>>78817508
>Maybe she should consider moving on
she might actually be close to the breaking point this year especially when she was stalked a few months ago while shopping

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>>78791182
jesas

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>>78798354
>>78816075
pretty much most of, if not all of western jp vtuber fans dont know that the e-celeb streamer scene in japan is actually fucking leagues worse than what they think. we probably got a glimpse of it during the whole mknk debacle and the droves of antis that are fans of mfmf. and thats just from one guy.

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>>78791182
oh nyo...

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>>78817086
Is Hoshikawa the Matsuri of Niji?