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>No one cares about the new gen
>Dead on arrival

10mins in already 110k viewers. Tomorrow the 2 debuts will probably have 150k viewers.
Seethe harder, sisters

>> No.78761159

>>78760606
Wait until the first homo collab, she'll drop just like Ao did

>> No.78761232

>>78760606
Bots newfag

>> No.78762402

>>78760606
Pff, everyone knows vtubing is like golf. The lower the ccv the better

>> No.78762707

>>78761159
2 weeks, right?
Just like how Shiori will collab with male after what she said on her debut
Surely her numbers will go down, just like when Fauna had 'the talk,' right, unicucks?
>>78761232
Seethe, sister.
100k debut stream is the norm in hololive

>> No.78763159

>>78762402
Cope harder
Enjoy your 2view that has to suck dicks off-stream to have a roof on her head

>> No.78764011

>>78762707
>Homos mentioned
It's going to happen Bro.
Shiori never once mentioned one.

>> No.78764906

>>78762707
I mean regloss did, why wouldn't this chick who considers the homis senpai? Kek please.

>> No.78764933 [DELETED] 

>>78762707
>2 weeks, right?
yeah pretty much. Do you think she's still going to get 100k viewers by then?

>> No.78764943

>>78764011
It doesn't matter wether she collabs with a homo. It's gonna be hilarious when she still gets good numbers after filtering out faggots like you
Just like when Fauna tells parasocial losers like you to fuck off

>> No.78765152

>>78761159
>Wait until the first homo collab, she'll drop just like Ao did
Like Ao? So in other words, she won't drop at all, uh?

>> No.78765775

Placing Liz first in the debut order was a mistake by Cover
The bar will be HUGE for the other girls, unless everyone in this gen is talented as fuck

>> No.78765944 [DELETED] 

>>78764943
What are "good numbers" to you? Because for an indie, 500 ccv are good numbers. For an average holo 10k are good numbers and for an exceptionally popular streamer 40k are good numbers. I really don't see her becoming a 10k holo after the debut month passes desu.

>> No.78767258

>>78760606
botted

>> No.78768765

>>78765152
If she made it known that shes a stars fan early on, she's gonna do fine like Bae did.
Obviously I'm not gonna watch her but it's good she's honest about it. Can't say the same for my other compatriots though.
T. Sane unicorn

>> No.78769765

>>78764933
Retardchama...
How did you even manage to jump to her having 100k avg ccv
>>78765944
>>78767258
For sure, sister

>> No.78770234

>>78768765
Yeah, I gotta be honest, Bae is doing fine and Elizabeth probably will be too. Don't like the homos? Well, just tune them out, I guess.

What bothered me is that her mentioning the homos seemingly brought all the beggar bitches out of their caves, so we're probably going to have to put up with that for a while.

>> No.78770669

>>78770234
Me: But aside from that, Elizabeth's debut was kino

>> No.78770675

>>78769765
Remember they did the same thing with Doki.

>> No.78772086

>>78770675
I remember the sisters comparing the AR live ccv to Doki and some holos regular stream ccv

>> No.78772607

obsessed schizo

>> No.78772706

>>78760606
There were doubters? How fucking dumb could someone be? They're under the Dorito's brand.

>> No.78776105

>>78760606
Doubters? Those fuckers are copers. Blue dorito embedded into you can give you a place on the top of vtubing. It's automatic, it's like a fucking clockwork. This fools never learned that Holo is literally a cheat code for every aspiring chuuba out there.

>> No.78776469 [DELETED] 

>>78769765
So, what are good numbers? Can you actually give an amount or are you just going to keep going
>nuh huh

>> No.78777059

>>78762707
Fauna never had 'the talk', anyone who thinks she did is an ESL unable to parse basic English
Male collabs make girls unpopular, look at Mori/Kronii/Bae's ccv if you don't believe me

>> No.78778625

>>78777059
Those members have low numbers even before the male collab.
How about Mumei? She also collabed with a male, yet she's one of the top holoEN streamers. Are we also gonna pretend like the holoJP girls never collabed or interacted with a male? How about Kobo? Kobo has nearly 2.5m subs

>> No.78781224

>>78778625
2.5 million subs and yet kaela gets more viewers than her
strange

>> No.78781567

>>78765775
real funny sister

>> No.78781701

>>78781224
That's not the point, sister
Speaking of Kaela, she also interacts with the homos

>> No.78782016
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PEAK SOUL

>> No.78782021

>>78778625
Mori was the second biggest behind Gura until the yabs. Kronii was the biggest of Council until the collab arc.

>> No.78782206

They pulled the plug on the feed mid song

>> No.78782456

>hololive en debut

110k viewers

>nijisanji en debut
1 finana or less

IT'S SO OVER

>> No.78782458 [DELETED] 

>>78778625
Why do you niggers obsess over subs? Since when does subs mean anything? Subbing to a channel means clicking one button, I'm subbed to some random ass channels I subbed when I was like 12. Ollie has over a million subs and her views and earnings are through the trash, what the fuck do subs do when you have shit viewership? Tell me? I swear to god, subs and "hours watched" are some of the most retarded metrics which morons keep obsessing over lmao.

>> No.78782463

>>78781224
Kobo may have a lot of subs, but is absolutely mogged in terms of CCV, VODs, SC and merch revenue by Kaela

>> No.78782715

>>78782458
Kek. Can't refute my previous post so you had to focus on me mentioning sub count once.
Nice mental gymnastics, faggot

>> No.78782950

Did she just mog Suisei's singing skills?

>> No.78783140

>>78778625
>How about Mumei? She also collabed with a male,
You mean the literal one time and after that when stars en debuted and the collab question was asked mumei said she joined hololive to play with cute girls. She got baited by bae.

>> No.78783313

>>78765775
Stop smocking Crack dude, that shit damages your brain.

>> No.78783399

>>78783140
whatever helps you cope.
I'm done laughing at (you) faggots for today.
See you tomorrow, /vt/

>> No.78784231

>>78777059
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the idea that Mori, Kroni, Bae, etc. declined in popularity due to collabing with Holostars is just a delusion in the heads of Unicorn's. Is not real.
First of all Cali was and is one of the most popular Holomems. She is still at the top in views, and top 3 in merch sales and donations. Her CCV is unchanged from 2022 - it fluctuates from 2k to 20k depending on what she streams, and is been like that long before Tempus even debuted. Bae is unchanged, Kronii is unchanged. You guys looked at a decline in 2022 and decided that is because of Homo's, when in reality 2022 was a period of decline for all HoloEN, due to Niji being really hot and stealing a part of Holo's fanbase, and because of burnout and... nothing interesting happening in EN for Holo. Like even Gura was struggling to hit 20k in 2022 - in the first half of 2022 she was even struggling to hit 15k quite often. It was a dry period for HoloEn, it had nothing to do with Holostars.

>> No.78786450

As long as she keeps the homo collabs to herself and the other homocollabers I'm fine

>> No.78786769
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78786769

>>78768765
>rare sane unicorn sight
wtf

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>>78760606
its just the debut buff, two more weeks and your new en hires will struggles to compete with the legendary niji organ. just like how pekora is feeling now, getting mogged by kuzuha is inevitable and a passage in life for any holokeks.

>> No.78786933

>>78761159
2 more week, huh?

>> No.78787498

>>78786819
Kuzuha is a known botfag, but I guess we won't talk about that

>> No.78787646

>>78786933
Collab ban is usually a month.

>> No.78788145

>>78760606
What I want know is outside of the two flips will any of the other EN homos even want to collab?

>> No.78788286

I LOVE UNITY
TOTAL UNICORN DEATH

>> No.78789269

>>78787498
Kuzuha is a well known numberfag.
His normal streams are only 5views, way different compared to his VCR streams that can reach 50-60k ccv
He's fully aware of this fact, that's why he always joins those number buff servers

>> No.78789518

unicorns and sisters need to be gassed for the good of vtubing as a whole

>> No.78789770

>>78768765
I can respect that, sane unicorn, have a good one.

>> No.78790406

>>78782021
You know, for a bunch of peoples obsessed with Holostars and all this shit, you really have all of your facts and dates all over the place.
>Kronii was the biggest of Council until the collab arc.
Yeah, Kronii was the biggest in Council... in her first year. In 2021. By 2022 thou it was Mumei who became number 1, and then Fauna became number 2 over the next few months. Kronii keept her numbers thou through that year. The collabs with Holostars took place over the course of 7 months in 2022 and first months of 2023. They had no actual consequence on Kornii's CCV. Her CCV started to drop actually post Holostars debuts, after Vesper and Magni graduated. So I guess her decline is more of a natural thing, a result of passage of time, and her not evolving in any way, comparing to Irys, Mumei and Fauna. Kronii was know for dry humour and sarcastic attitude 3 years ago. And she is known exactly for that now too. Compare that with Mumei who grew so much, as a singer and streamer, or Irys that was so rejuvenated after she got the new model and became so much more confident and energetic. Kronii just couldn't keep up. Plus, Mumei, Fauna and Irys feel like a trio of friends, and they they build on to each other. Kronii has no pair. She is too individualistic, and that becomes stale.

Mori is still the 2nd biggest HoloEN - in fact she is arguably the biggest, based on achievements. When it comes to CCV Mori was already in decline when she started collabing with Tempus - a symptom of HoloEN going trough a decline period, as a result of NijiEN getting really hot from the summer of 2022 trough out 2023 until Advent debuted. Even Gura was struggling to hit 20k in 2022 - at times, in the first of 2022, Gura was struggling to hit 15k. It was a dry period - NijiEN was hot as fire, while HoloEN had nothing happening. But Mori is also a hard case to analyze, because while most members have stable CCV, Mori can stream for 2500k CCV today, and have 12K tomorrow, depending on what she is streaming. Ironically for you, her Tempus collabs, where her best performing streams CCV wise in 2022.

>> No.78790854

>>78768765
R A R E
A
R
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>> No.78791567

>>78782458
The hours watched are actually the most important metric - is showed as the first metric when it comes to streaming first, for a reason.
And is kind of ironical of you to point bad metrics, when most of you, when you all calculate what good and bad earnings are, based on SC's, when in reality, SC's represent a fraction of the actual revenue of the members, and is not all that important. I mean, look at Gura's birthday. she got 15k in SC's, and all of you would judge her earning based on that, when in reality only her limited merch that sold in minutes, moved 200 000 dollars in revenue, and who even knows how much the other merch did. Add to that the fact that Gura got like a millennia worth of new subs for her memberships, which means way above the 15k dollars she got in SC's. Yet all of you, would still look at the SC metric to judge who is a good and bad earner.

>> No.78791956

>>78782463
In SC's yes - probably. Kobo streams mostly in Indonesia, while Kaela is esentially an EN member. I am not convinced about the merch thou. Kobo is pushed in a lot of Cover's promotions and events. And this wouldn't be a the case if her merch didn't make bank. Cover doesn't usually chose talents at random, for their events. Is their top merch sellers who make the list usually.

>> No.78792957

>>78777059
What this anon said >>78784231. I'll add that male collabs seem to have little to no effect. Possibly even beneficial. Towa's career should've been dead in the water since debut, Sora, Ayame, and Korone are doing fine, Subaru gained popularity from collabs with Niji's Maimoto in the early days, Fauna's secret collabs, Ao/Aruran collabs seem popular, Aki's viewership was boosted thanks to VCR, and finally Suisei's a fucking superstar. Meanwhile, we still have holos who never collabed with males and still have lower views. (Best of of my knowledge: Kiara, Shiori, Nerissa, Reine, Robocco)

>> No.78794721
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parasocial

*inhales*

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS

>> No.78794751

>>78768765
>Sane unicorn
How is this possible?

>> No.78795204

>>78792957
There's clearly no evidence that male collabs are what makes or breaks the lower-tier Holos because people who are into unpopular Holos are always going to have weird motivations like "I can fix her" or "she needs me", etc. But it's not a coincidence that all the top-tier Holos also keep away from males. The most mainstream representative the homolovers have is the astroturfed Koyori. Or Suisei (who isn't popular as a solo vtuber but as a singer/celebrity).

>> No.78796742

>>78791956
Kaela merch sells like hotcakes for the same reason that she gets so many more big SC's - huge rich EN audience

>> No.78796964

>>78768765
Fuck off with your respectability politics you falseflagging faggot. These people want CGDCT dead, they want us to "respect" them and not be "crazy" so they can roll all over us and destroy everything.

>> No.78797178

>>78796964
I'm sorry I was just merely speaking out my own opinion. I watch girls who don't collab with men, I don't waste my time frothing in the mouth like a monkey and stalking troon reddits on a daily basis.

>> No.78797769

>>78791956
If you look at the most recent merch sales in Tokopedia, Kaela and Zeta both sold more than Kobo

>> No.78798055

>>78796964
>roll all over us and destroy everything

do you need a hug? you sound like you need a hug. the big scary woman talking to men isn’t going to taint your oshis, i promise. now let’s get a glass of water and go back to bed, okay champ? i’ll even tuck you in.

>> No.78798196

>>78796742
You're undercutting how rich her ID audience are. Kaela sells the most merch in ID

>> No.78798233

>>78796964
What are you even talking about?

>> No.78798837

>>78764943
Because that worked for Ollie and Zeta, right?

>> No.78799645

>>78764943
I like how you faggots keep bringing up Fauna as an own. Her getting the parasocialism in her fanbase under control was based but that doesn't mean she'll be collabing with your precious homos. Any day now amirite lol

>> No.78799993

>>78799645
>Her getting the parasocialism in her fanbase under control was based
You sound like a twitter troon

>> No.78800200

>>78799645
When did I ask for a homo collab? Retard

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78802661

>>78799645
>Her getting the parasocialism in her fanbase under control
Things that never, ever happened

>> No.78802753

>>78760606
Unicorns on suicide watch.

>> No.78803253

>>78761232
meds. now.

>> No.78804775

>>78802661
Can't get 'em all. She said her piece. It's their problem.

>> No.78806376

>>78761232
>>78767258
NijiJP just got an extensive analysis of all its members regarding botting. You'll need to do a better defense than projecting.

>> No.78806556

>>78760606
She doesn't play games and she's a homolover/homocollaber. She will lose most of her viewers just like Shiori.

>> No.78806670

>>78806556
Nah

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