Oh boy

[Anonymous No.]

I can't wait until everyone points out how Justice's numbers are doing relatively worse than Advent's and the retarded hivemind of /vt/ collectively decides to blaim it on Holostars and the selected Holomems that they demonize instead of pointing out the obvious fact that the vtuber market is becoming increasingly stale and oversaturated and any new gen at this point is only going to stretch Hololive's audience out even further.

[Anonymous No.]

There's nothing to blame this time around. They're an EU branch so they're fucked from the get go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
you guys bitched me out last time I said vtubing was blatantly over saturated/stagnating/in a bear market and now it’s basically board consensus

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>Justice's
Okay, what if the following happens:
>Justice debuts
>Month one goes as well as it did for Advent, if not a little bit worse since there was less wait this go around
>a month or two later, Red Woman specifically is doing 1k ccv while all her genmates hover at around 4 to 5k.
What's the cope then?

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>already pre-coping
oh nononono

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>Holostars
>Not *Homos
Yeah, go back sis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628333
>noooooombers
Doesn't matter. She's in. You lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628448
>it doesn’t matter if the corpo I like is profitable
dyrbi

[Anonymous No.]

I wish for both sides of this argument to have their balls skewered.
>>78628448
No one has fucking lost, negro. Give them a month, or at least their damn debuts, and then we see what their content is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628195
The EN market is saturated, they had little build up for EN4, and the EU gen is having their debuts at 3am.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>pre-deflecting
Oh no no no sisters???

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628448
>the talent's success doesn't matter, what matters is that they make people I don't like angy
And this right here is why your homostars are living paycheck to paycheck lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>to blaim it on Holostars
The victim complex that the sisters have is something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628638
>the EU gen is having their debuts at 3am.
The rrat I believe the most about this is that the Japanese suits demanded to watch it during their normal work hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
is this homostars cope?
how much do you weigh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628448
>doesn't matter because I don't give a fuck about the talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628943
165 lb

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628985
Bit of a mask-off moment, no? I wonder how the Stars themselves would feel reading that

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
This is going to be the last Holo EN gen for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Will soon news holostarsjp

[Anonymous No.]

>>78629066
you pass...for now

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628914
most likely

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>blaim

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe, they're just gonna be flops. Half the gen is pickmes and the other half are rejects that only got picked because the actual choices already got taken. None of them have even broken 100k subs yet lmao

Justice won't do well as expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Justice didn't do as well as expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632087
vtubers are supposed to be pickme’s that’s their job

[Anonymous No.]

>>78629377
>-enma meaning presence in blood

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632087
Haha... Yeah....

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632087
>Justice won't do well as expected.
Cute bait highlighter, here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628448
>I don't give a shit about them so long as you are butthurt
Damn that's crazy, i wish best of luck to all the talents. I just want 0 politics & activism infiltrating my interests the red ones bad

[Anonymous No.]

I've watched every holoen debut and eventually they all irreperably disappoint me in some way. I expect this to happen here as well. Advent has been the best so far, bumping the opportunities for collabs will only help EN grow stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78635547
Genuine question:
How has Ina disappointed you? She's very sweet & an eldritch god. I highly recommend you reconsider

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
You know the reason why, its on you if you can't accept it. Males destroy numbers in hololive, simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78635547
Have you considered you just don't like vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>numberfaggotry
what the fuck causes this mental illness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
It can be both.
>vtubing has hit maximum growth rate
>homo interaction hurts potential growth

[Anonymous No.]

>>78635922
>I highly recommend you reconsider

[Anonymous No.]

>>78636117
The only one I genuinely enjoy is incapable of having women moments because she's an AI. holojp still brings me joy too
>>78635922
Omega

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>>78628078
Homosis already deflecting from the problem

[Anonymous No.]

Justice didn't do as well as expected.
I just don’t understand why they were rejected.
Homocollabs?
No way that’s true.
Just you until Niji does it too.
For Holocorns it’s the same.
Lairs for sure it’s a fitting name.
HDF is on tears they cannot breathe.
Please Nijikeks, please.
You’ll see Yagoo and Managment always get the first cut before stabbing their Holos in the back.

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>>78628078
It will depend on how much lower than advent. The overall decrease in market audience is a measurable statistic so justice doing noticeably worse than the trend would indeed indicate holo fans skipping them.
Not that that'll happen. People overestimate how much attention is paid to /here/ drama so the big dropoff won't happen until unityfags start harassing various members of myth promise and advent.

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>>78628078
Who's fault was it though that HoloEN audience isn't as plentiful as jp? Having a bunch of people fight because of the divide he caused doesn't provide a good experience for new audience too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
If your entire fanbase lives off circlejerking numbers then they'll also die off circlejerking numbers.
This is what happens when holofags didn't gatekeep numberfags hard enough. Worshiping Gura and Pekora's big noombers and parading around big debut noombers every time there's a new debut inevitably results in a fanbase of newfags who only care about being part of the current popular fad. Once that fad starts to decline those people will turn on you and cannibalize your hobby. A year from now the same people who spammed "Holo good all other vtubers bad" will be calling Hololive cringe and making fun of you for still liking it as they jump to watching Kick streamers or whatever the kids are into now.

Sucks for the fans who genuinely like Holo for the content. As a Haaton I experienced this firsthand years ago when her channel started declining and all the redditors left her.

[Anonymous No.]

total vtuber industry crash NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>78636176
>numberfaggotry
That's basically all Holofags tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Okay, I'll admit it, in the broader context of the industry, I am getting worried and feel concerned we're hitting saturation point. When ReGloss flopped, I chalked it up to horrible marketing by Cover and scaring fans off pre-debut by letting people rrat that it was going to be a "Nijisanji-like" mixed gen which would be doing tons of male collabs.

But now we're looking at very slow predebut sub growth for EN4 too. Is it really just the timezones and male collab stuff? And of course Nijisanji is a shambling zombie at this point and isn't even the conversation anymore.

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>>78628078
Doesn't help that they presented them (intentionally or not) as an "EU gen" and then put their debuts at 4AM. Almost all pre-debut discussion is just speculation and arguing about when they'll stream, and there's no answer to that question that isn't retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>78639195
The peak is over, the market is saturated. I guarantee you even a new JP gen with better designs, marketing and no homo interaction would grow slower than ReGloss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78639195
Regloss and EN4 have the exact same problem, the marketing was botched and nobody knows who the gen is for. Regloss were a new branch for seemingly no reason, and EN4 were teased as a gen of Europeans but are debuting at a time nobody in Europe can watch.
Obviously confusing the shit out of the audience is bad when you rely almost entirely on word of mouth marketing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78639195
It's the spam for a specific branch that got stuff recently. Advent blew up because HoloEN had such a long span between Council and Advent, or even between Tempus and Advent. Regloss could have had better designs, but the span between holoX and Regloss is also huge, and StarsJP hasn't had anything since 2022, not to mention HoloID. They should have waited, but it's clear they're pushing this out to keep a queue on the 3D studio, since Armis is the only group left without it coming up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78640117
>>78628638
Is it 3/4am in the European time zone? I don't know why JP cover employees are thinking it's a good idea to decide the girls' time slots.. It's not that bad for North America but that's gonna rely on 3 of 4 girls not being too ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Yes we will. We are the enlightened masses, and we can give decent judgement regarding how Vtubing works.
Is not like all our reasoning and statements are shaped to satisfy our worldview. Some things are just facts of life regarding what a Vtuber does and the consequences of their actions. And no, exceptions are that, exceptions and not the rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78637912
You do know twitch viewers doesn't like vtubers right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78641220
Debuts are at 4AM BST / 5AM CEST, so yeah, nobody in Europe is watching that. Once you factor in the post-debut collab they'll run until 2-3AM EST too, so it's not even good for the US. I really don't think you could choose a worse time if you tried.
It's also obviously the brainchild of the newer EN management, because Myth and Council were at much more sensible times.

[Anonymous No.]

What time is the debuts again? I wanna make sure I take some sleeping pills so im well into REM sleep when they happen so I have 0 temptation to check out these whores.

Im just gonna pretend they dont exist , and I hope Advent does too, especially the ones that didnt get a reply from the Gigawhore

[Anonymous No.]

>>78639195
Nijisanji is not a good model to follow, since if they're gonna act like indies it's gonna be better to just watch indies that have less restrictions on what they say and do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628333
The cope is that 1k is still already massive and if being 1k or less is considered a failure, why are there still non Holo corpos like Niji or Phase?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78641510
>not even NA will be able to watch the post-debut collab except for the night owls in California and British Columbia
The managers are killing this gen. At least that state and province are well populated? Eugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>78642145
2/3 of USA's population is on the East Coast though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628195
>>78641220
>>78640117
They are targeting 8pm west coast. That's the idea anyway, at least for debut. It's a very niche timezone.

[Anonymous No.]

All I know is euros don’t give a fuck about unicorns and with the times lots they’ll be streaming in at least one or two of the girls will male collab. If not all of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628914
Is there any reasonable reason to think that the higher-ups are going to screw up their first interactions with the people they're trying to attract, just so they can watch it comfortably?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78641892
same reason people don't compare highschool basketball to the NBA, you fucking moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
go support them then, sis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628333
Which red woman? The Elizabeth one? She is likely going to be the most succesfull of all - because she is gonna have a nice sounding voice, comparing with most of the other gen mates, and she is going to be one of the best singers in Hololive. The pink one is gonna be a more hard sell ... not because she answers Holostars tweets, but because her voice is not gonna be up to expectations for that model - I mean, if Gura sounds like hitting crystal glasses with a spoon, the pink cat's voice is gonna sound like washing dishes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78652000
lol, you're delusional
homobeggars don't watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>78641062
The whole concept of an EN that needs to be marketed for Europeans is a retarded concept. Is HoloEN, not HoloNA or HoloUS. So there is no need for HoloEU. EU is in EN. If there is anyone appealing to EU hours, is gonna be seen when we see their schedules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78642467
The assumption they'll get some kind of left-coast effect is wrong, taxation without representation is the reality of modern California, Silicon Valley is tiny and increasingly automated, meanwhile the all-male groups of programmers I see that have to commute to the bay aren't left, they're brown, masculine and single, they're unicorns and worse. Nah, west coast won't sav egg. It don't work like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78645281
Japanese company autism

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>>78653592
It's you who is delusional - delusional enough to think that the fringe incels seething on here, actually applies in the real world. You all act like damaged Kpop stans, and act like that's the normal. Most peoples who watch Hololive are normal peoples, who function normally in society. Nobody gives a crap if they interact with men or not, and this has been proved again and again, no matter how much you all try to twist it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78658494
The numbers speak for themself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
cecilia and gigi will be fine, while the other two whom i dont even care enough to remember their names, probably not.

[Anonymous No.]

>It's must be a conspiracy, not history!
And by history, I mean motherfucking HIStory.

[Anonymous No.]

Really was hoping the red one wasn't a fucking wash, yet here we are. Oh well, best we know before we get invested. Enjoy irrelevancy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78658494
>Ha ha, you still watch even though you don't.
Well, okay I guess. I'm sure you will. This time, unlike the other dozen times you didn't when I left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Covid's gone what'd you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>the obvious fact that the vtuber market is becoming increasingly stale and oversaturated
correct
>blaim it on Holostars
also correct

The medium is very oversaturated right now, so giving people many reasons to not even give you a chance out the gate was a terrible decision on red's part
pink, i blame management, she's like the worst aspects of sana packed into a twitch egirl, she should never have made it through the application process, it's practically bullying to put her into an idol company

[Anonymous No.]

>>78663121
Stop throwing the word idol like you know what it fucking means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>I can't wait until everyone points out how Justice's numbers are doing relatively worse than Advent's and the retarded hivemind of Unicorns collectively decides to blame it on Holostars and the selected Holomems that they demonize instead of pointing out the obvious fact that the Hololive market is becoming increasingly stale and oversaturated and any new gen at this point is only going to stretch Hololive's audience out even further.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>78663339
im reasonable, what's it mean to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>78652000
for me goes 60% voice, 30% personality, 10% model.

She is a singer and if she has a good voice, good at yappin and charisma she is going to get good numbers

[Anonymous No.]

Let's be honest here both Hololive and Nijisanji are on the decline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
They can't and won't do worse than Advent. They literally are at 2-3k if they go 1-2k they will scrap being a number. before that happens people will bot them

[Anonymous No.]

>>78665459
are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78663339
You do realize that rushia of all people left vshojo because she found out that melody had a nude model and thought it would ruin her image by associating with it
rushia

this is while people are judging raora so harshly, the nijisanji nipples is a funny joke but the fact that she is quite literally a virtual stripper is beyond what can be accepted into hololive
choco and noel have never gone that far, putting a nude model of yourself out there and then money gating it means she is going to do similar things for money in hololive, it's beyond what we should be accepting

[Anonymous No.]

>>78665593
Yeah, one is just declining faster than the other. The Vtubing industry just isn't profitable in the long haul, especially the way it is run now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78666112
Proof for the rushia one.
I expect a reply don't be like the others please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78665593
I haven't found out about Ponto until after her 3D debut and even my oshi had a collab with her (meh a new niji they probably foced her to make th collab).
She is a storyfag, her whole stick is that she says goodbye to the chat 5 minutes into the stream and she can still make 6 hours enjoyable Man i love Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78666112
I've been out of the loop, qrd on why raora is a stripper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78658494
YWNBAW, go support your sexpest sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
They're probably not going to do as well as Advent but the idea is to avoid having dead hours in EN. A lot of Anons were complaining about Myth/Council's streaming schedules before Advent debuted but others pointed out that JP streams just as often it's just that we don't notice because there's more of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78668115
is just schizo shit mixed with sisters lies, Raora is innocent she hasn't done anything wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>78634963
wow, 50k is genuinely pathetic for a holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78666112
she must be pandering a bit. I doubt anyone would write (you) accidentally. it'd be "you(r)" right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Everyone is going to forget about Elizabeth's Tweets and Raora's PL once Gigi debuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78666837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MncCt7n82ZA
mikeneko didn't know about melody's content before joining
then after she left vshojo and she had some retard spat with delutaya where she revealed that she believes people are trying to associate her with shady things, there's a lot of schizo posts from her during this time frame but it's around the time frame of joining that voice acting company
she said she felt betrayed that people were now associating her with pornography and that she wants to maintain a pure image
>>78668115
she's a vtuber artist with that made her own rig that can be toggled nude and gated it behind money, the post people are sharing around is where she covered her nipples with a nijisanjiEN males face

[Anonymous No.]

>>78668743

[Anonymous No.]

>>78668537
>Raora is innocent
hey, i never said being a stripper is a bad thing anon, it's just not hololive material
we aren't that fucking desperate for talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Didn't read, Total Homo graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669201
>it's just not hololive material
nah, ill trust Cover and their scouts on this not some rando in 4chan, nothing personal tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Yes, because it's true. Revenue from en branch is higher than id, therefore no id4 but en4 came before advent got to 1mil. Mori is the greatest example of how collabing with homo hurt their number. And Kronii is the example of dealing with angry unicorn went wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669217
In your dreams

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669201
yeah no you are trolling. Aki "what you never passed out on the streets" Rosenthal is still in hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628448
>It doesn't matter if anyone supports them they infiktrated their way in to spite the people I hate
Excellent example of why the homos are failing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78629252
who cares about how the Stars feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
wrong stupid fuck, advent is on pace to do better than council. justice is going to crash and burn because they're a bunch of homo loving whores, just like regloss

[Anonymous No.]

>>78639195
Cover did absolutely fuck over Regloss though. They'd be doing much, much better if they were just revealed and marketed as JP7 instead of this weird "new" branch that so far is literally just a normal Holo gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>78670188
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>78670188
Cry more. Not even a (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
If they do worse numbers than Advent, then they are failures because Advent are failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669355
anon she immediately deleted it after people found it out, cover didn't background check her
>>78669829
if pay gated nudity isn't beyond idol culture, idol culture is now meaningless
there's a reason why coco was not allowed to collab with projekt melody

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628638
Because all 4 of those girls live in Japan. So the debut times will be at like Noon JST. That makes the most sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669355
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/3391184
Hololive doesn't have a policy to check patreon content yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
Holy moly. She should do more under the guise of artistic nudity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669355
Since when do people put that they make porn on their job application?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78658494
>we are le majority
this cope is so tiring

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
>shylily
>sinder
>silvervale
>zen
how the fuck did this bitch get in hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78670188
Based and true. People have been saying the bubble popped, nobody can grow now etc in light of seeing Council's middling (at best) results and mostly seeing how nijiEN has crumbled considerably from its peak and none of the small corpos (many of which try to be in the same style as Holo) aren't even close to matching them in growth/subs etc. Then advent comes and pulls out growth people thought would have been "impossible in the modern EN scene" effortlessly and pulls CCVs as good or better than Council was doing even a month or two in.

Advent I think may not do as good but the homo enabling is only one part of it, I think the designs just aren't that appealing. They're not offensive, they're not cheap shit, but they're really not memorable either. Advent's are really good generally, fucking nobody is going to forget or mistake Shiori or Fuwamoco for anyone else. Justice girls are very generic, I'd put them at typical small corpo tier, apart from cici who is memorable for being a doll, that one's actually an interesting design and the rest are really generic. And, and, there are only four of them.. if there was a fifth with an 11/10 design who wasn't homobaiting and said/did all the right things the gen would be stronger. If 2/4 appear to be doubtful that's half the gen down instead of 40%. By having fewer members it becomes much more important that the ones that are there, be really really fucking stellar to compensate for the lack of options and we aren't getting that at all it seems on top of mostly generic designs. To me, Justice feels rushed, the hires don't seem that well thought out, neither do the designs, and their training is clearly horrible if they are fine with red being divisive pre-debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78672121
i feel like hololive could get away with it if they really wanted to, like with all the visual novels/haachama's lewd art stream
the issue is hololive is an idol company and it'd make them not brand safe for their partners

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
kek. absolute shameless behaviour. imagine if ina's pl did this

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
hololve's background check appears to be basically "heyy uh did you like do porn or something ever? no? ok then I believe you" and then they just move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78672282
If Hololive managers started checking paid patreon/fantia of every artist that applies to work with them it'd probably actually start costing them too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671185
My brother, by that standard it's been meaningless since Shirogane Noel waved her fat tats around for "ASMR".

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
I dont really care as long as they stream daily, the past 3 gens were lazy once they got big and hopefully this gen doesn't follow their lazy asses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78672345
also typo, obviously by
>Advent I think may not do as good
I meant justice won't do as good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78672749
explicitly making porn for money is different than gravure work
raora is commissioned for porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/3391184/post/96731658
AWOOGA them's some nice tiddies

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
>>78672121
>>78672176
>>78672282
>>78671185

Noel and Mel did 200x worse btw. Blank state rule, as long as she acts idol-like as a holo she’s good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673147
>Noel and Mel did 200x worse btw
mel literally got terminated

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673089
Not it's not. Are you high?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78672282
That's how she got in, making the case to Cover on using her connections

[Anonymous No.]

Wait... Am i supposed to be mad that she DRAWS fat tits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673233
it's very much considered different in japan, it's why children are allowed to do gravure in japan, it's legally distinct from porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673214
yes but not for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673268
>she doesn't make porn
>well she does make porn but so do other hololive girls
>hololive girls should be making porn
This is a wild rollercoaster of cope, the absolute state of EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673214
for NDA, not for 2d porn shit lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673336
She violated some arcane rule that Cover had that they had to lecture the rest of the talents on and refresh their awareness of NDA and rules
My guess is that it's probably not far off from the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673214
for a completely different reason, fuckwit

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673532
I can think of many reasons why someone who makes lewd content on their PL would get fired for breaking an NDA

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673446
>porn
I feel people saying shit about her 2d nsfw actually believes making nsfw fanart is the same as going to take pictures of them naked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673446
I don't know who you think you're replying to, but i'll just let you know that no, i don't care she draws fat tits.
>make porn
She draws it, man. With her hands. On a tablet or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673214
Noel is still doing stuff. And it keeps getting naughtier every time. Praying she gets terminated from Hololive and goes do a Jav already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673773
>>78673538
Sure, I mean you are free to assume some wild shit that has nothing to do with reality, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673793
That's not all of her patreon, but she's drawn plenty of intercourse
Is drawn intercourse for money really the bar set to join an idol company

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673949
You are also free to imagine that it has nothing to do with it, it's not changing the fact that this is an idol company

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671185
>cover didn't background check her
You're delusional if you actually believe that

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673317
Are you talking doing photo-ops in skimpy bikinis for magazine covers? Because that's not what Noel and Mel have been doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673967
I don't care about 2d nsfw, it's hot but I am not gonna be like YOU DRAW SEX, YOU ARE A WHORE like ???? IT'S... DRAWINGS. What next? Have you seen Japanese idols?? They put idols in gravure magazines, which I don't even care for but you have no idea about idol culture. Unless you are talking about kpop idols which heh, I care even less for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674110
One word for you: Marine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673268
Dramawhores are grasping at straws here

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673967
>Is drawn intercourse for money really the bar set to join an idol company
No, the bar is whether or not they can make the company money or not. To imagine they got to the top 4 out of thousands of applications and nobody bothered to check it is pretty fucking stupid. Or are we doing this thing where /vt/ knows how an idol company works better than the idol company in question?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673967
It's an idol-themed otaku company thoughbeit, and there are few things otakus like more than hand drawn doujins.

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>>78673446
>make porn
Anon, you're talking about someone drawing lewd art of anime girls like it's the same thing as filming a sex scene with her actual human body or using a 3D model. It is not even close to the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674404
>No, the bar is whether or not they can make the company money or not.
Yes and no, Coco was denied multiple times a collab with Projekt Melody
>>78674419
See above, Cover didn't know about this

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674484
Being paid to create uncensored porn is definitely considered the same in japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674255
Now that you mention it, are these sisters then? Only the kpoopie idols care about squeaky clean idol image, and the sisters are kpoopies. Huh. You might be onto something there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78670188
Holy cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>78664119
To inspire an audience through song and dance, a meaning of hope unlike most singers and dancers these days. They know what it means to give everyone a smile even though deep down it's difficult for them not to cry. That's what an idol means to me. I do no seethe or shit my pants over the sight of a man on stream like these brainless monkeys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674484
Reminder that sisters said making nsfw art of Elira getting railed by Nijishit suits was the same as revenge porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674706
>uncensored porn
Anon, they are drawings.
>>78674976
That's equally retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674559
>See above, Cover didn't know about this
Is there any evidence of that beyond begging the question
>Cover would never hire anyone who makes porn!
and
>Cover didn't ask me to disclose my erotic Patreon on the public-facing application!

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669108
Okay that's legit, but let's be real she's not so pure. She cheated on mafumafu with another guy and just recently flirting with Kirschetorte. She can make up stories and diehard fandeads would basically follow her every whim. Kinda sad actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674903
that's not a bad take on it, my personal take on it is that short time in a girls life where she still has dreams and isn't beaten down by reality and pragmatism
it's the essence of an idol, girlishness

[Anonymous No.]

>>78675081
>uncensored porn
>Anon, they are drawings.
Are you a tourist and have no idea about japan's laws?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78674903
I am going to give you the benefit of doubt and not categorize you as sister as the other anon, so I am going to impart you some Japanese idol culture: Japanese idols have a lot of flavors, some go for the clean and proper like Sora and AZKi, some go for the funny, variety savvy comedian like Miko and Subaru, some go for the sexy and risqué like Marine and Choco, all within a group most of the time.

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>>78675175
I agree with your statements, but I think it's reasonable to assume that Covercorp, with due knowledge, not hire someone that makes porn
We have to be intellectually honest about this here, they didn't know, she most likely didn't tell them, probably because she applied as a joke like mori did and didn't realize everything that comes with being an idol

[Anonymous No.]

>the vtuber market is becoming increasingly stale
People said the same thing before Advent came out. And if you notice, the first debut of the gen (Mori, Sana, Shiori) are usually not good streamers, but have a lot of superchat. The red girl just makes things more difficult

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is fucking dumb :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>78675885
this^
if idols want to make porn let them, all the more for me

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>>78675680
>with due knowledge
I just can't agree here. Her Patreon is not a secret, it's not under some hidden name. It may not be listed directly on her primary socials, but it IS linked on her Facebook page of all places, which is listed next to her Xitter/Insta/Youtube/Pixiv on her website. Is the implication that nobody in any of the probably half-dozen rounds of reviews followed four clicks deep from a Google search of "Yuuniho", or nobody asked her the question
>Do you create 18+ or NSFW content that could cause harm to your persona as a Hololive talent?
I understand that they're probably stupid Japanese salarymen who don't understand the western internet, but clearly they have enough of an understanding to verify the applications that get past the barest amount of filtering, and do some amount of due diligence searching. If COVER isn't doing this themselves, I can only expect they have a third party do the "digital background check" for them, and that'd easily uncover her salacious activities.

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>>78628078
>3/4 of the girls are known cock holsters in their PL
>unicorns bust out the "AHKSHUWALEE" considerations just as quick as antis bust out the cope distribution
I want to see both of these camps fight to the death in an arena

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>>78675680
Anon, they don't care.
Cover doesn't give a shit. If they did, they would've shut down the girls like Mel or Noel ages ago. And they're STILL doing it, compared to this girl who shut it down before joining.

So yeah, they don't care. And you shouldn't either.

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>>78676764
They probably don't know what Patreon specifically is, there are so many fan sites globally for artists to make money I wouldn't expect Japanese staff to know every site western artists use

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677105
mel was literally terminated for vague reasons

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677135
They 120% know what Fanbox, Fantia and Ci-en are

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677245
Because those are the ones japanese artists use
It's an assumption on my part, but I think japanese staff are also to shy to grill the talents on whether they've made porn in the past

[Anonymous No.]

>>78636176
>>78638211
>nijien will never come close to Hololive's level
>organs losing in every metric
>n-nu-numberfaggot!
Do sisters really ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677242
Yeah, and Noel's still there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677344
They know and they don't care. It's really not a problem as long as it's off stream and persona. Especially not fucking drawings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78675429
Why would Japan's laws be relevant? She isn't based in Japan and she's obviously not going to be creating that kind of content for Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
The stupid culture war has no effect whatsoever if the talent has the x factor

[Anonymous No.]

>>78665593
AAAAIIIIEEEEEE BUT RIKU-SAMA SAID THE JP SIDE WAS BETTER THAN EVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>78639195
>very slow predebut sub growth
The fuck are you talking about? Compared to previous gens or with regloss? 80k consistently among 4 channels with no sub cull is a lot fucking better than what regloss got hit with
Also people keep complaining about the fucking debut date for EU. Did they ever advertise themselves as EU? No. We don’t even know what their schedule will be, or whether they’re even going to be pandering to euros just because they have some included

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677403
I'm not a Nijifag. Niji can burn for all I care. You can't deny that Holofags make up pretty much all Numberfags. In other words, Not all Holofags are Numberfags but all Numberfags are Holofags.

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>>78677530
If we run with that, when is an off stream persona gone too far?
Like what if a talent commits a crime in their local country but it wouldn't be a crime in japan, or vice versa?
It's not their persona, right?

What about if the talent starts developing a drug problem but it isn't interfering with their stream?
What if they abuse an animal?

I know I'm throwing a lot of what if's, but these are things that McDonald's of all places would fire you for if you did them off the clock and out of uniform, it doesn't matter in a corporate sense.
So does Covercorp now just have less lax rules than a McDonald's cashier?

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>>78677626
>She isn't based in Japan
Apparently she is, most of the girls are in Japan right now and the evidence shows that they live there

[Anonymous No.]

>>78648286
Cover didn't become NBA over night. the girl can have 1 view and they will still stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78677344
If it's not
>on-stream
or
>using THEIR IP to promote some retarded bullshit that might conflict with sponsors
or
>leaking company insider secrets
then Cover allows their members to do whatever they want on their own time. Literally most of the Japanese artists they've hired to draw up their models has drawn erotic or lewd drawn works.
>>78677864
Read above. If they're acting retarded, that's when stealth suspensions and hiatuses start coming out until issues are resolved.
If you're going to be a cynic, you should understand that the entertainment world only cares what you bring in and the value you provide. There is no "too far". There's literal fucking rapists in the NBA/NFL that still have active contracts. It's just how it goes. You cannot compare these jobs to some wagie garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78672744
No they clearly don't care you newfag
I swear we would have a mother of all meltdowns here if someone like Noel debuted in EN

[Anonymous No.]

turn out EN fanbase care about purity more than JP, who would have guessed that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
Gura collaborated with Belle Delphine at her peak

[Anonymous No.]

FWMC were also paid to "make porn" in the past, and they even included collaborating with pornographers in their debut goals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78679407
JP audience has some normies, EN only has stinky weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
I tried to think of something I could put after "I can't wait until" to express how shitty this board is, but literally everything the retards here could do to annoy me already happens multiple times a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>78679644
bruh, we don't do generalize here. what i said only mean EN have more purist, doesn't mean all EN is this crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628195
>EU branch
>Streams at 4am
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>78670188
I just can't stand Ao and Ririka, despite their en pandering

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
she had one fucking job and fucked it up before debuting

[Anonymous No.]

>>78682135
seethe

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>>78654518
euros do not speak english

[Anonymous No.]

>>78681747
It's still weekend so who gives a shit. What can't wake up at 4am am Samstag? I remember setting my clock at 4:30 back in school days you piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>blaim

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>>78672282
Mori recommended her

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>>78680103
>bruh, we don't do generalize here
nta but holy kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
There is an EN4 comming?

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>>78636220
You know the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78673147
>MUH BLANK SLATE
Oh fuck off, this bitch won't stop doing it
And btw Noel is cancer too

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669108
God Mikeneko is such a cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78685039
Their debuts are bracketed by euros matches for France and Germany, the two biggest weeb countries in Europe, which may affect peoples willingness to get up at 5AM to watch a debut for someone there is still no guarantee they could watch afterwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628657
>paycheck to paycheck
it's not theirs. pretty comfy to keep collecting free money. WELFARE KANGZ W

[Anonymous No.]

>>78670188
Based observer

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>>78688270
FU get a job if you aren't up at 5AM and no Germany isn't in the "two biggest" that would be France and Italy, then Spain. Germany would be around 5th

[Anonymous No.]

>>78641510
>Once you factor in the post-debut collab they'll run until 2-3AM EST too, so it's not even good for the US.
US holowatchers are very used to these hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78679407
Should be pretty obvious by now, Vtubers are a accepted norm in nipland, holos appear on TV and have fans that are celebrities, in the west its considered cringe.

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>>78688734
The catch is anyone in Europe who currently tries to watch holoEN probably made a habit of going to bed super late, because then they could at least watch a bit of Ina and Fauna
Nobody who goes to sleep at midnight to 2AM is getting up at 5AM

[Anonymous No.]

>>78635922
>Don't mind them, they're losers that get their ups from watching anime girls.

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>>78639195
Advent came after what was without a doubt the grimmest point for holo as a whole, countless yabs, the tempus situation, most of EN going into long spanning haitus's, GFE controversy with kronii and ame, and general interest in the EN branch was slowly starting to fade in general. Despite all this they did fucking great as a gen and brought alot of eyes, new and old, into holo.

If they can make it despite the odds, I doubt the bubble's popped yet.

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>>78671466
You mean just for their debuts right

[Anonymous No.]

>>78658494
Pretty much this. Its pretty obvious once you see the overwhelming majority of comments in other platforms outside /vt/, and how everyone mocks unicucks as pathetic mentally ill subhumans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671466
Yeah and Gura lived in atlantis. Try to be less retarded next time.

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>>78671466
Cover actually posted a xweet hinting at what their real time zones are - https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1804031501505564847 - there's two in Europe, one in Japan, and one in PST because of course there is
This doesn't really explain the debut times though, if they're debuting them in pairs and two of them are in Europe you'd think they would debut those two at more Europe-friendly times. Plus how the fuck are collabs supposed to work for that gen, they will literally always be at an awful time for at least one member

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628195
It's already been confirmed one lives in Japan and another in a past life streamed at west coast USA hours. This gen is fucked from the get-go and is NOT targeted for Europeans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
>that one with the fat ojisan
hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671466
This debut times have been a norm since well Tempus. So you can blame management since someone up there probably got the bright idea of standardizing debut timings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78689629
So at best EU gets two and both are already on iffy grounds?

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>>78671621
Am I going nuts here, or am I not seeing any real life recorded porn like what anon was making it seem like?

Cause lewd drawings are pretty par for the course, almost every HoloJP and especially HoloJP mama/papa has made straight up hentai at some point. If she actually recorded herself getting dicked down I'd understand, but this doesnt seem bad at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78689011
Dude that was my life for 7 years. Rambo starting at 24:00 in free tv? if you don't watch it and can't talk about it the next day in school you are a loser

[Anonymous No.]

>>78689775
Yes, their big attempt to break into Europe that Yagoo was talking about is a gen with two members from Europe, who will debut while Europe is asleep, and their attempt at addressing the confusion over whether any of them would be watchable was tweeting a comic with a vague hint about their timezones in it days after the announcement

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628333
Red Woman is the only non-ESL of the gen.
She is going to do a lot better than you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78671621
She can do whatever she wants as long as its not under her hololive persona, this has been made clear a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78689575
>>78689629
I am utterly baffled why they can't get 4 Vtubers who live on the same continent instead of whatever the fuck this shit is. This will negatively effect collabs which will likely happen during their debut hours. It also means that Europeans don't even get a whole gen for themselves, but only 50% of one at best. And if this turns into a Myth scenario where you don't like one of them (Kiara) then fuck you I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
What happened to unicorns being to loud minority? Reality settling in, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78690093
European ESL is a buff unlike in SEA

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Where's the confidence? You dont think Panther and Liz wont outperform Bijou in SC or Shiori and Nerissa in CCV?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78690229
It's pretty easy to see how they got here and where it will go:
>We want to expand into Europe
>Few people there watch us already (because they've had no streams for 4 years) so we should be conservative at first to test the waters, make it half a gen
>Since the other half will be in times we already have viewers they should get priority
You are here
>Debut the euro half of the gen at 5AM with confusing messaging
>Nobody notices they exist and they end up less popular than Kiara
>Debuts are always at 3AM because NA members will never accommodate anyone else (see: Kiara)
>Cover declares the market hopeless and never tries again

[Anonymous No.]

>>78690494
My guess is the two European girls will have a schedule similar to Ina. Not quite European friendly but she streams around 10-11pm BST which is infinitely better than 4am.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>From 'loud minority' to 'market oversaturated'
fuck off and support your homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>78642467
My anus is a niche timezone you beatnik

[Anonymous No.]

I would think there debuts might be worse than advents because of one key thing they don't have. There was a karaoke relay buff for the first 2 they did in-between that relay which made them have higher viewership than the obviously popular Fuwamoco when she premiered the next day. They also probably have a smaller honeymoon phase like less than a month before people stick with them or go back to their old faves. Nothing new really. Has happened with multiple gens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78663121
Pretty much this. I will check out Pink because people can change but putting someone without a clean history is just asking for spiteful nyfcosisters and "friends" to attack a talent. Why did management not ask her to make sure her social media has nothing she would regret? I'm not interested in homos so I will ignore red. The beggars who admit they don't watch homos and go schizo about a minority can monetarily support this time, surely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78669108
>>78675258
>>78688091
Actual Trianglefag here who used to watch Nazuna occasionally. The Delu and Mike fight was near the end of 2022 but didn't Nazuna only leave VShojo at the end of 2023?
On top of that, I remember Nazuna being pretty chill about Melody.
Seems like that anon was just peddling some rrats and you all bought it. I imagine the "pure" shit is in reaction to antis joking about her doing AV
She does love flirting with famous men though, I thought that was pretty obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Well I can already tell numbers will be low because Homos and EU so... Doomed from the start

[Anonymous No.]

>>78689861
Anon the whole point was about her having a model and drawing herself getting ducked down, it was never about real life porn.
>HoloJP mama/papa
Noone cares about them, they're not talents.
The differences between the JPs having done lewd stuff in the past and the ENs are 2:
a) The JPs were hired when Hololive was still smaller and the background check and/or scrubbing processes weren't fully mature yet. Try to find a Holo related to porn/hentai past gen 4
b) This might be due to language bias, but I feel like EN vtubers/women in general that do lewd stuff attract a larger amount of coomer fans (many of the being Indians/SEA), since the language has a wider spread, a significant number of whom push for male collabs to enhance their fantasies

tl;dr, it damages the brand and invites undesirable that undermine Hololive's attributes that make it good and famous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78692886
>Anon the whole point was about her having a model and drawing herself getting ducked down, it was never about real life porn.
She hasnt debut yet, i highly doubt cover will allow it, so it wont happen. If she does so with her RM cover does not care and neither should you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78690426
>French
>Portugese (The exact same as Brazillian)
>German like Kiara
>Italian
Lol. Maybe if you fall into Greek or Croatian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78668537
>innocent
liar
>>78668115
Nude art of her indie character on her timeline, in one ocasion she posted it and covered the nipples with a Niji male's face. I'm not joking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78693862
Greek ESL accent is horrible though
t. Greek

[Anonymous No.]

>>78693658
I'm still giving the gen as a whole a chance, since they're likely to be streaming in EU times that I might be able to watch, but seeing pink girl's past and red girl's xweets doesn't let me be too hopeful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78694340
3 of them live in japan, the only one streaming at your time is the german girl anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>78694436
but they are all white, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
>EU gen at 5am
>During EM
On the weekend of elden ring dlc

[Anonymous No.]

>>78697600
They are debuting them wrong on purpose, as a joke

[Anonymous No.]

vote with your views boys. Justice will be the opposite of advent. It's an investor experiment. No homocollabs for one gen, constant homo collabs for the other. Future is in your hands

[Anonymous No.]

>>78694436
Why do you keep pushing this shit? Only 1 is highly suspected to live there

[Anonymous No.]

>>78641510
Nah Jap didn't repost the announcement on LinkedIn like he did for Promise Advent and Breaking Dimensions

[Anonymous No.]

>>78698332
this is the euro gen. The "voting" will be for how they implemented this entry into the euro market
Poorly so far

[Anonymous No.]

>Daily reminder that a still-serving Holomem has voiced a literal porn ASMR
Cover does NOT give a fuck what talents do on their own time

[Anonymous No.]

>>78690093
Isn't the person suspected to be Gigi American though? I mean she's not ESL but her voice will still probably filter people if it's her

[sage No.]

>>78698671
because I actually know, I'm not taking a 3-day vacation for you though

[Anonymous No.]

>>78699504
Nice try faggot. Only the pink one lives in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
I'm with you OP. At this stage of the Vtubing climate they couldn't have come at a better time. I just hope they won't let this golden opportunity of theirs slip through their fingers without a fight

[Anonymous No.]

>>78628078
Advent has proved that there is still market for western Vtubing and singlehandedly saved the branch. And while I agree Justice feels a bit sudden and unnecesary the homos are still a massive debuff. We already had our homocollabing arc and it ended with the girls completely dropping them and ignoring any homo interaction.
The homos themselves are 3view turbo shitters so they won't bring any notable fanbase increase to the Holos.

[Anonymous No.]

i just realized that i used to enjoy debuts before i started browsing /vt/