A little thought experiment

[Anonymous No.]

Let's say you are responsible for scouting and hiring new talents at Cover.
What exactly is stopping you from offering contracts to Mint, Doki, Henya, Ironmouse and Filian for your new generation of HoloEN ? Perhaps even as an "Invaders" gen ?
Wouldn't this be the best possible move business-wise ?

[Anonymous No.]

No it wouldn't. Half of those people have a toxic image and baggage. If they debuted under new names, maybe that'd be workable but that'd defeat the whole point.

[Anonymous No.]

>What exactly is stopping you from offering contracts to flesh- and flesh-adjacent scum
Not vtubers.

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>>78610639
Doki is extremely talented and would be a huge asset to the company. However, Hololive is an idol company (as is Nijisanji) and Doki is not the best fit for that. She'd also hate the permissions autism too. Great performer, just bad fit for Hololive.

Mint or Henya would both probably do well in Hololive. I think Cover missed a really great pickup by not proactively approaching Mint after she left Nijisanji. I've never once watched Ironmouse or Filian. I vaguely recall hearing the latter was controversial in some way.

You have to understand too, many of these people may be happy where they are and may not want to jump ship. Doki for example has built an entire management team and business and has money rolling in from sponsorships and I am not certain she would make as much in HoloEN.

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>>78610639
Hololive is too big for that now. The only reason other companies still do that is because it costs less, but you get the baggage of the vtubers' IP's and have less control over them since they still own their own IP's. It's like buying a house vs renting a house.

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>>78610639
Hololive is too sterile and soulless to take in external talents.

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>give us half your income and the ownership of your brand so we can give you like one 3d stream a year if you're lucky and also we might put you in holografitti once or twice and also we can fire you for literally any reason lmao
not worth it unless you're music focused and live in japan

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>>78610639
Filian with Cover backing would be insane
you'd get a collab monster who can produce shows and use 3D to its fullest

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>>78611626
But Doki is fat and I dislik fat peple

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>>78610639
>Mint, Doki, Henya, Ironmouse and Filian
Hololive seems to need all of them.
None of them need Hololive, however.

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>>78610639
It would be the worst possible move

[Anonymous No.]

Realistically?
A successful indy doesn't need Cover. Ideally you want your talents to need you or else they'll start asking why you're there.
So someone like Doki or Ironmouse as they are now? Neither of them needs Cover. They have their own teams and little business empires. Cover presents no real value to them.

Mint and Henya may have been options. But picking up someone who's left an existing corpo or group is always a risk. Why take said risk when there's plenty of cute girls just begging for a chance?

The ideal candidate for Hololive/stars is an indy who is a high 2view or low 3view. Although for the right candidate a low 2view is also acceptable.
Good enough to get somewhere but hasn't built their own team or been able to attain full monetisation.
For them Cover represents a massive plus by providing a full team, advertising, brand power and monetisation avenues.

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>>78610639
None of them would accept Cover's money if it means dealing with perms and restrictions, and Henya would absolutely hate being forced to go outside to socialize with other members and do dance/singing practice.

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>>78610639
None of these talents are Holo quality. That means they need to stand out on their own and not rely on leeching off others.
Doki was a literal who until she decided to kill herself.
Mint was popular cause she was a Niji who pandered to Holo audience. Both of these girls never passed the Kiara line while they were still in Niji.
Henya is the prude girl that Vshojo wanted. She doesn't add value for Hololive.
IronMouse without her illness, Connor cocksucking, and her broken family issue, is just one of the bigger Twitch react streamer. What would be her "skills" if they were to put her in an IP like "HoloCure"?
I know nothing about Fillian except she's a react streamer and one of the bigger talents in Twitch.
No offense, these girls might be good people, but they're just one of the bigger streamers in their respective platform. They don't add or give something unique for the community.
If instead you use Ui-mama or Patra as examples, then that would be more interesting. Twitch vtubers are just not good, I'm sorry.

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>>78610639
None of those people want to join Hololive.

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>>78610639
Filian -- loud annoying shouting voice
Henya -- mostly annoying and reminiscent of Coco
Doki -- Loud annoying voice
Mint -- should actually be hired

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>>78613701
doki is a bad streamer
she's already losing viewership without the drama buff

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>>78613701
>Doki was a literal who until she decided to kill herself.
retard. She was one of the top vtubers even before that.
>Mint was popular cause she was a Niji who pandered to Holo audience.
Having appeal to that audience is different from "pandering to" that audience.
>Both of these girls never passed the Kiara line while they were still in Niji.
Not a single vtuber outside of Hololive did, retard. You're basically saying, "unless you can meet this impossible standard you are worthless", give me a break.
>They don't add or give something unique for the community.
You never watched them. Doki is the definition of "unique". Mint is literally everything you want in a Hololive girl.

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>>78612374
How, exactly, does Hololive NEED them?

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>>78613701
>Both of these girls never passed the Kiara line while they were still in Niji.
BECAUSE they were in Niji which is far less popular. If they were in Holo they would be above average no problem. They both have more than enough talent.
Trying to pretend Selen and Pomu weren't Holo quality is just desperate coping and ignoring context to fit your shitty narrative.

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>>78610639
>Doki and Filian
Ambitious, creative, and would be hampered by Cover's restrictions.
>Henya
Places a very high value on the laid-back environment of VShojo that lets her do whatever she wants.
>Ironmouse
Places extreme value on her own brand. Ideologically values vtubers owning their own IP.
>Mint
Probably would have joined Hololive in the past, now has grown big enough to be a stable 4view with her own network of 4view friends. She seems to have grown attached to owning her own brand after surviving Nijisanji.

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>>78614094
>She was one of the top vtubers
I hate to say this but Doki never passed the Kiara line. A 2k-3k ccv streamer might be huge, but that literally a bottom-feeder Holo. Even top Holo ID talents get better than that.

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>>78610639
Because they might demand better contracts. On the other hand, if I grab a bunch of desperate auditionees, I can get the contract favourable for me with the knowledge that our current brand-power will do the heavy lifting.

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>>78612729
>Henya would absolutely hate being forced to go outside to socialize with other members and do dance/singing practice.
That part is the most believable part of this entire thread to be honest.

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>>78614213
Fucking retard. Selen had 3.5k average.

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>>78610639
Mint and Henya could pass but the others are not worth it.

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>>78614094
>Mint is literally everything you want in a Hololive girl.
NTA, but I don't think any girl who went shopping for underwear with Luca and openly talked about it can be "literally everything you want in a Hololive girl".

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>>78614213
Anon, you are comparing vtuber outside of Hololive to the Hololive standard. You are being retarded. By your standard, the number of vtubers who are acceptable hololive talents are the ones who are already in hololive. Because literally 0 vtubers outside holo meet your standard

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>>78614213
Now tell me how much ccv would Holo girls get outisde of Hololive.

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>>78610639
I'd take a second and consider that that everyone on that list is either already in a corpo making bank, or is an extremely successful indie that wouldnt be interested in starting from square one with the restrictions of a corpo.
Then I'd consider that they would most likely want a large sign on bonus+special annotations in the contract to go in their favor.
the holo brand name is nice and all, but even the most loyal holo fan chuuba wouldnt jump ship if it meant a possible paycut to their current situation
Then I'd also consider the risk in scouting already established names in the vtuber scenes. AKA if they feel dissatisfied and want to quit, fans would be much more likely to jump ship with them and possibly tarnish the holo name. There's also the fact that some of the names listed in OP could cause some real friction with corpos like nijisanji, who still have fairly close ties to Holo in the JP scene like it or not.

Some of the chuubas you've listed are very worth the risk, but at the end of the day I'd probably stick to scouting smaller indies or small corpos who would be pretty much homegrown from holo. Much safer move.

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>>78614329
Oh, it's a retarded catalogfag.

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>>78614385
>wouldnt be interested in starting from square one with the restrictions of a corpo.
Mint said she prefers being with a group instead of solo all the time. It also gives her career more sustainability long term.

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>>78610639
Why would you offer contracts to people who didn't even want to apply to your auditions?
There's no point in trying to poach people who are already dedicated to doing their own thing.

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>>78614406
>Ad-hominem now
If you have nothing to defend her with, at least be quiet

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>>78614329
Last shitpost before sleep time in Jakarta?

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone even mentioned the possibility of their previous employers making them sign a contract before graduating to forbid them joining another corpo within a time frame?

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>>78610639
>Mint, Doki
good relations with nijisanji
>Henya
poaching from another company
>Ironmouse
she is bad at original content and is just a react streamer
>Filian
she's a react streamer like ironmouse but is unmanageable

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>>78614166
Then shill them to me then.
No, Doki getting boosted by Apex pro is not a quality trait. Her forced laughter cause she can't banter is not a quality trait neither.
Mint, she tried to be a hololite. That's it. What makes her special, I really don't know.
Also, their voices fucking suck, especially Selen.
Hell, Veibei had a good voice even though she's not multi-talented, and I'd choose her over the Niji girls and still I would not recruit her if I were Yagoo.

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>>78614620
We actually know it's a factual thing. 6 months non compete clause exists in Nijisanji. It's debatable whether it applies to Vshojo (imo it doesn't) but it definitely applies to Hololive.

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>>78614619
It's literally 6:30PM here, but keep projecting, sister

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>>78610639
I would scout Sayu, just to see the trainwreck that would happen in the following months.

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>>78614262
Bro, you have to take the L here. Stop discussing #s with me. The charts are freely available. Let's be more productive and discuss something else.

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>>78613701
some may hate you for said the truth, but not jesuschrist, holy fuck you are right, if you allow me i can said, if holo start to take niji leftovers is probably that people expect that cover should be vshojo 2, and that kill their brand. In extend, in latin america IdolES hired ex wactor and for the short term all people said "wow, Idol save the girls" but the time pass and now they said "WTF, why not spot new talets, why do adutions at all if you only took leftover of Walter" (walter is the way that we called wactor). Yes Twich streamers are just reacting streamers, you cant create lore, fan jokes from reac to some warhammer video, yes diferent plataform have diferent tipe of content and holo only focused to youtube content where you already created content, yes Hololive and (in some point) nijisanji can said they created those their talents, vshojo and Idol only take what others letf behind hopping is the wining move, just look rushia, "wow vshojo do a power move, took that power house from Holo" and where is nikeneko now? you know...

[Anonymous No.]

No point approaching talents who've already fully fleshed out their brands and built sizeable audiences just so you can water them down for a piece of the pie

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>>78614460
She compared being indie and being corpo during the podcast with Matara. Mint is always very cautious and avoids drama as best as she can. She talked with an outside perspective and didn't voice her own goals or aspirations.
>but she said this and that when she was in Niji
You can't possibly rule out that every statement had to be approved by management if it wasn't outright dictated in the first place. It's the corpo of forced collabs after all.
>>78614144
All of them have proven that they are good entertainers on their own already, those new holomems have nothing to show for but a blue dorito next to their name.

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>>78614329
That was Rosemi, not Pomu

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>>78614684
>Hell, Veibei had a good voice
Are we talking about the same Vei? Have you heard her sing?

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>>78614892
Being "good entertainers" doesn't mean Hololive need them, though. There are lots of "good entertainers" in Hololive so it's not like they are desperate for talents.

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>>78614385
You're retarded. It's either you join a corpo or make one of your own. In the modern era, there's this thing called specialisation.
If you don't have people to manage your merch, you're not big enough. If you don't have managers, lawyers, staffs that deal with your day-to-day, you're not big enough.
Stop parading your "indie shit is better" cause it's not.

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>>78614684
Mint's preferred type of content falls in line with Hololive ideals very well. I'd dare to say more, what she offers is what Hololive actively wants but has been somewhat lacking so far in EN. Minecraft arcs have been some of the best storylines on JP side, got a lot of mileage in ID as well but didn't really pop off to similar extent in EN. Pomu could change that. Remember that she was main cause of Nijisanji EN being so into Minecraft, she could revitalize the game in Holo EN too. I could definitely see Pomu being a match for Biboo that isn't just Kaela in terms of streaming amount, convincing Nerissa to give it another shot while teaching her about what makes the game so much fun (she does have a knack for these types of games, it just seems like she stuck to the other ones so far and didn't hear good enough arguments to give closer look to MC yet) or revitalizing Kronii's passion for it to name a few possible interactions. Her confirmed friends FWMC finally got into Minecraft as well.
Other part is Mint's passion for idols which is simply unmatched and definitely a desirable factor for Hololive talent. Nobody else in EN sphere has managed to inspire their fans to perform wotagei. Only Pomu. Fuwawa and especially Mococo might have more intricate knowledge due to following the scene longer but the twins are quite reserved in revealing their powerlevel, only letting out hints here and there. Pomu could enable them to open up, unleashing what their fans have been awaiting. Just imagine them gushing out about their oshis and what makes underground idols so perfect, even if it's a niche subject, the girls having fun together would be infectious to the viewers too.
Pomu herself has also shown great effort in learning choreography despite the environment in Nijisanji which simply didn't offer the possibility of ever making proper use of such skills. Pomu prepared so much for her 3D debut stream taking individual dancing lessons to make sure she performs as well as she can (unlike rest of Nijisanji shitters) and she has great natural talent too, being able to come up with decent choreography on the spot to a song she never practiced before. We know she's good friends with Kiara who has been the most into actually performing idol activities on EN side so I'm pretty sure Mint would gladly join her in those endeavors. (they actually danced together in Japan earlier this year)
As a final note, she has been visiting Japan dozens of times over the years and has good enough conversational skills to make use of them in potential collabs etc.

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>>78615245
>Pomu
that's her slave name

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>>78612198
>get a collab monster
she wants to collab with people outside of Hololive and that isn't a good thing
>use 3D to its fullest
Her 3D isn't even good wtf are you on about

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>>78614692
>It's debatable whether it applies to Vshojo (imo it doesn't)
I don't think it does. When Nazuna was still part of VShojo she also joined VOICE-ORE as Mikeneko.

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>>78614745
It's sad to see an European as retarded as SEAnigs. Too much crack? You should consume less catalog, it's bad for you.
>sister
utterly mindbroken by catalog wars, you lash out at hololive fan and call him a sister just because he pointed out your idiocy one time

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>>78615337
I still remember her mostly as Pomu and it seemed more appropriate to use that name when talking about her actions in Nijisanji. Sorry if it ended up being confusing, I use both Mint and Pomu when talking about her.

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>>78614892
i not want a loyalist but, if hololive and his dorito brand is as powerfull as they are, is not for just being a dorito, they took the best from the pool of menheras and fatherless whores they meet, if you pass a holo audition, thats because you are damage beyond repair but talented as well. There is objetive truth that if you as indie can have success, a good corpo would give to you a boost, in other hand, if you pass a holo audition, well, you are one of a hell of crazy woman to get chosen from thousands of girlfailures

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>Filian
Grew by collabing with indies - something impossible to do in Holo
>Ironmouse
Grew by appeal to the mainstream normie audience
Let 's be real. If Ironmouse or Filian debuted in Holo, they will never reach this level of relevancy. Holo will unironically killed any hope of reaching out to new audiences within the first year.

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>>78610639
Without reading the thread, the obvious answer is:

Their refusals. They’re all doing well without Holo.
You have to go to corpos smaller than Phase to find girls more willing to jump ship, and even then you will have plenty of loyal to their gens girls.
And who’s to say this is a good “business-wise” decision?

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>>78615548
This latest gen obviously proved that there isn't much difference between Niji and Holo girls, it's just what their respective corpo tells them to do.
Also, good luck with your English reps, you can do this, ESL-kun.

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>>78610639
Unless you really want to do idol and music stuff, being a top-tier indie like Ironmouse and Filian is superior to going to Hololive and giving up your creative freedom.
The gentleman's agreement between Holo and Niji not to hire each other's former talents is probably still in place, so that rules out Mint and Doki. Doki also doesn't seem to be into idol stuff and being a terminated talent has JP corpo autism working against her.
Henya is the most likely, but she seems happy where she is in Vshojo.

>tl;dr: Mouse and Filian will refuse, Mint and Doki won't be offered, Henya may have been reached out to already.

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>>78614684
Mint poster here. If you're wondering why I didn't shill Doki it's because personally I'm filtered by her laugh and content choices so I very rarely watched her and it would be better to leave that job to dragoons. That said, it's delusional to believe she isn't an amazing talent if you actually follow the vtuber scene, regardless of your individual preferences.

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>>78610815
>Half of those people have a toxic image and baggage
Was this bait or do you actually believe this bullshit?
These people are huge and have built in audience already. The “toxicity” is in your head, little one.

[Anonymous No.]

No to the Nijiniggers, Henya had her shot and lol at Conor's dying cumrag
Filian could work but theyd actually have to recruit her probably

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>>78615750
>Unless you really want to do idol and music stuff
Or want more money, but yeah

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>>78614460
>Mint said she prefers being with a group instead of solo all the time
Mint's friends with a networking monster like Matara, so I don't think that's something she ever has to worry about even if she stays indie. Matara will always introduce her to new large indies, invite her to VShojo collabs, etc. She also gets to collab with Doki and her friend group as well.

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>>78615245
Maybe you're right, anon. I stopped watching Pomu when Luxiem got popular. I'll be less critical of her from now on. Good shit, bro.

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Joining Holos means that
> Giving IP
> Giving up at least 30% of income
> Not many new opportunity
> Restrictions and permissions
Anyone the size of Filian/Henya/Ironmouse would have to be an utterly retard to join Holo.

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>>78614352
They would probably lose half of their ccv if they were on their own.

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>>78610639
Most of them would say no due to having content completely unsuitable to hololive. Only Mint would possibly consider it, and even that's not certain after how badly Niji burned her. She seems like she might be content being a fan rather than an idol herself at this point.

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>>78610639
the only thing that can persuade an already successful indie is a Vshojo-style invaders deal

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>>78615150
NTA. The point anon is making is that there are chuubas in Holo that don't deserve the boons and benefits that come with the company's branding. They don't "deserve" it. But there are chuubas who do deserve it, if the metric were "being a good entertainer". And yet they weren't chosen by the corpo.

Hololive has managed to prove a consistent record of being good, and so people have developed a certain degree of trust and rapport. There are plenty of anons here on this board who will ONLY watch Holos and no one else because they've come to believe that the blue dorito is the only good egg in a sea of mediocre and bad eggs.

Doki, Mint, Henya, Ironmouse, Filian. These are all talents with a great degree of potential. Holo has need of talents who are able to prove they "deserve the status that comes with the dorito".

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>>78615215
I think you're the retard here, cause most of the top indies are able to hire people to handle all the merch and other things with no problem. Being an indie is just cutting the middleman that corpos offer, and it works for some people and less for others.

Not saying there aren't indies who wouldnt kill to join hololive and throw all that away, but to assume every single indie would is retarded.

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>>78616147
Thank you anon. I think I can understand your stance pretty well, I kinda stopped watching Niji when Ethyria debuted and was only catching some of the streams after Luxiem joined and the culture of the company changed permanently. But I always had respect for some members like Pomu.
Glad she finally left that hellhole but I would be very happy if she managed to join Hololive eventually because it simply fits her so well. I also want her to be there for a bit of selfish reason as a Ruffian - I want her to enable my oshis to be more open about their passions. Previously I thought EN4 would happen at the end of 2024 and she would be perfectly in time for auditions but I was surprised it's happening this month already. Who knows when EN5 will arrive. Oh well, even if she ends up never joining, she should still do well.

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I'd rather Mint remain indie so she can stream cool shit like Tokyo Jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFwIjR59-aI

[Anonymous No.]

is funny how some of you said "mu creativity freedom" when the problem of being in niji not was freedom, was being in a good grace with Enna's group and favoritims, second and most important problem in Niji or any corpo IS MONEY, vtubing is a job, and if you only job is play genshin impact, ofcourse you never gonna enter in holo or any western not chinese friendly (for now), I personaly tink that the only creative liverty you have as indy is the right to chose to what youtube video you gonna react, wowowowowo stop that creativity is to much for me. Now, doki is not a react vtuber, but if she can make their events inside a corpo with the (true) creative freedom of make events for indies i tink she could do well, after all in holo you tink people like amelia, ina, shiori or calea, care about of idol stuff, they only do that because holo makes them do idol stuff, between idol events, i see they do whatever they want

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>>78611626
So she has to get gym membership and she's ready

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>>78610639
Well, for starters, Cover doesn't scout or offer to those who aren't applying, but for the sake of the post I'll pretend all 5 of them applied.
>Doki
I would offer if we could ensure that the move would not move our relationship with Nijisanji to the trash. If this was a move a underling did, I'd re-coach them on how we're trying to push the vtubing sphere to new heights, so aligning ourselves with those who may make strides in the technological or monetary aspects of the industry is of utmost importance. Therapy would be required prior to application.
>ironmouse
Applicants must be in good health for 3D performances. While body doubles may be used outside of concert and 3D lives, the talent is expected to be in good enough health to perform on stage without issue. No contract.
>Mint
I'd be wary for similar reasons to Doki (relation to Nijisanji), but she could be used to express how Cover handles talents' internal struggles just as well as external. I'd offer a contract if there was proof she was already in therapy, and I could have a extended conversation with said therapist and her about what she fears going into this. No more Vespers, no more Kroniis.
>Henya
Not American. Direct her to the form for HoloJP.
>Filian
Horrifically racist and prone to issues. A complete liability who could bring out the worst in her genmates and beyond. No contract whatsoever.
>>78613701
>Ui-mama
This would be seen as a conflict of interest. No contract, but discuss her doing a model for this new gen to allow her further interaction with Hololive.
>Petra
I've never watched her, so I'm unsure if she's unbefitting of Hololive, but it would be a similar situation to Mint - if I can confirm that Nijisanji will not break off our connections, and can confirm she's in good enough mental health to perform, she would be accepted.
>>78614684
>Veibei
She'd have to be heavily "re-educated" (trained) to perform on a proper, professional level. Therapy would also be required, and Soda would have to sign a NDA. There's a very good chance she wouldn't agree to those terms. Same applies to Nyanners and Silvervale, for reference.
>>78614785
>Sayu
Blacklisted due to leaking internal documents. The application would likely have been thrown out before ever reaching me.

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>>78610639
Why did you leave out Pippa?

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>>78615245
The downside for many is this fact: there is only one person historically that has managed to develop a powerful, iconic back-and-forth banter-and-laugh relationship with her. Dokibird.

I give zero shits about what other anons say on this subject. Pomu and Selen, and later on Mint and Doki, have demonstrated a chemistry not seen in any other EN chuuba pair. Pomu has had some of her best streamer moments with Selen as her foil, but many Holofags wouldn't want Doki within a hundred thousand miles of their glorious corpo. It makes zero sense to put Mint in a situation that would make collab'ing with Doki the indie too difficult as to be nigh impossible. To block these two from each other would be actively denying their communities some of the best collab moments.

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>>78616662
Patra, not Petra.

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The short version is, of this list the only one that might actually *want* to be in Hololive at this point is Mint and even then I'd not count on that now.

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>>78616751
>Pippa
Dangerous to hire due to the fanbase that follows her, and likely would get attacked by not only her previous corpo friends, but fleshies, as well. Remember, we do have to pursue legal action against those who are openly posting dox shit without it being warned via the talent, so if something like "Pippa is on my couch" happens repeatedly, it would be less work to release her than to pursue all leads.
>>78616974
>Patra
Didn't know who she was prior to this post. Just like Henya, direct her to the HoloJP form.

[Anonymous No.]

>gives up none of her income
>free to do whatever the fuck she wants with whoever the fuck she wants
>got a 3D concert 4 months in, got proper 3D model 1 year in
>extreme agoraphobe, Vshojo accommodates her
But yeah she'll throw that all away for slightly more fame and be forced into idol autism that would leave her a sobbing mess after a week. The only drawback is Vshojo's merch shipping is notoriously shit, and they're trying to change that.

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>>78616303
>> Not many new opportunity
>Doesn't know the benefits that being under Hololive brings
>Uses Discordnigger spaces
Actual retard spotted

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>>78610639
>Ironmouse
An 8 figures contract would be a good start for her to join Holo
>Doki
LoL Lmao
>Mint
Gave up on idol stuff already
>Henya
Dont want to be an Idol type vtuber. Just want to be an anime streamer
>Filian
Contents mainly consist of collabing with others and it is very easy for a Holo to collab with an outsider lol

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>>78617159
There's also this yeah.

Like look at Hololives latest batch and the absolute nonsense ERB is catching because she dared tweet male Vtubers.

Fillian, Doki, Mousey, Henya they'd be fucking miserable in Hololive.

An argument could maybe me made for Mint but honestly given how stable an indie she is now? I'd even doubt she'd be interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617204
>>Doesn't know the benefits that being under Hololive brings
One peek at the catalog shows me those "benefits" loud and clear.

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>>78614684
Dokiposter, and so I shill Doki.

Doki is not an idol. Her singing skill is not anywhere approaching what most standard-fare chuubas can peddle. But it's very cute, and her audience loves her for it. Regardless, it's clear that the whole "performing" thing is not something she can bring to the table.

So now we have to imagine what a Holo with Doki's managerial skills, networking & connections, and gaming skills bring to the table. With her accolades in FPS games, Selen always had the potential to be the face of a Niji gamer wave back in the day. To this day, I will always question why Anycolor never thought to capitalize on having a Apex Pred and OW2 top500 in their roster. She has connections to players with a great degree of skill in competitive shooters. Off this alone, she would regularly be able to organize, coordinate, and host events that any number of Holos across the entire corpo can participate in as well as collab outside of Holo.

Holo-only watchers underestimate how many connections she's managed to make during her tenure as Selen. She has collab'd with a massive number of people in the EN sphere and even has connections in JP, CN, and plausibly even ID scenes. The fact that Doki has good graces with Filian, Mint, Shylily, Kai & Juna, Pippa, U-san, Zentreya, Projekt Melody, and many more names is indicative of how far her web reaches. She may be incompatible with the image an idol in the traditional sense but she fills a skill niche that would round out the company's roster in a way no other chuuba can really attest to.

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>>78616414
3 gens released isn't enough to prove anything without a reasonable doubt and they had a dud already out of the 3 gens and there is enough room to argue some hires were subpar picks compared to people available at the time. For example, Hololive has still not fixed being able to pick good singing Vtubers even in EN and passing over people like Beryl and Chapipi or not scouting them when they were available at the time with either Council or Advent is in my books a fail.

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>>78611626
>extremely talented
she literally failed sudoku twice though lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
You beg for the top talents all the time and no one bats an eye.
I actually nut up and get them and suddenly I'm the bad guy.
That doesn't seem fair.

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>>78617661
Truthfully? This is the biggest reason I can't ever see her even wanting to join Hololive at this point, it'd likely be an impediment to her ability to network with all the hoops she'd have to jump through.

I can see Doki starting her own agency before ever considering joining another corpo

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>>78617706
And yet Beryl signed up - sorry, got scouted ;) - by Phase Connect, which doesn't do concerts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617820
I would kneel if you make my oshi into a vtuber, Gunrun sama
https://www.twitch.tv/emiru

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>>78617706
There is no leeway to gain the numbers to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Getting solid numbers requires making the effort and stepping forward. There's only one choice to make: do the thing even if there isn't a 100% chance it'll stick.

It's also worth mentioning that while Hololive is indeed an idol-branded vtuber corpo, picking people based solely on singing and musical ability is a poor idea. People who sing well but are terrible entertainers will give the corpo a poor look, like singing is ALL they care about. If it were, then their options expand to picking the niche of vtubers who practically only sing and not much of anything else like Harano Oni, KOKO, VESPERBELL, etc.

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>>78610639
Is this a joke? Why would any of them accept? Seriously. Why? They all own their IP. All have the views and the money with no split from a corpo. No game restrictions. No obligations. And Mint, the closest to maybe considering it, is someone who backed Niji and chose that horse because she wanted them to be known to the west, left, didn't even want to be a vtuber anymore until Matara had to drag her onto a show, and is using VShojo funds despite not even being in it. Whatever I can even offer Mint, VShojo would counter hard. With her imposter syndrome, would she even want to debut yet again and worry about people liking her? Hell no. And you are offering the biggest fish in the indie and indie + vtubers on Twitch what? Ironmouse would not only laugh at me, but make a whole stream laughing at how stupid it was to even try. Everyone in VShojo desires the freedom and ownership of yourself which I cannot even offer as the whole goal of Hololive new vision is IP brand awareness bump and exposure which means even more control than even what is happening now. And Filian? Fucking Filian? The literal only one who could compete with Gura outside of Hololive in YouTube subscribers? The one who wants to celebrate all of Vtubing so much she made an awards show? The one Cover themselves had on the list of others? Why the fuck would she I've up her position to be yet another cog in the machine? Hololive needs to go after those that need some polishing, who are unsatisfied with where they are at, that being in a group dynamic will help them grow more. The ones who NEED Hololive. None of the ones you mentioned need Hololive and would actually hate being restricted like that. You seriously think Henya, the laziest vtuber in existence, who cannot even devide what she wants to play on any given day, who is lazy as fuck to make her own schedule or thumbnail or go outside would want to have to talk to management and fill out forms just to play any game?! Hololive retards need to get it into their head that not everyone wants to join and that they cannot just poach the top indies because you want to. The reason why VShojo can is because VShojo is indie + with no restrictions or money cuts in anything but merch. That you can leave if you want and just go back to doing what you were doing. No way Hololive ever lets that happen to anyone and even Suisei lost her rights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617971
Sorry, not accepting any more No-streams I mean Himes

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617453
Obviously it shows you that this is the Hololive Board. The rest doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617964
This is correct. Doki sees value in jumping on an opportunity as soon as she sees it, whether that means riding a content trend NOW or preparing for content in the future. But to do that means playing with JP corpo perms autism, the very thing that got her sacked. While I have no doubt Holo can do better than Niji in accommodating the perms Doki would need, it would be taking away a lot of the legroom she currently enjoys.

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>>78616751
Pippa would not work well in a japanese corpo, hell the only reason she's still in her current corpo is because the CEO thought the risk of her style of streaming was worth turning into a brand identity. That ended up working marvels for them, at the cost of kind of being locked into an image of "edgy counter culture corpo"

Japs and normies would not take kindly to someone like pippa and her constantbodycam react streams.

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>>78618008
This is it. Hololive doesn't have scouts because scouts would be focused on numberfaggotry above talent. We can't find talented prodigies if they only look for numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78616414
well said

[Anonymous No.]

>>78618296
No one in Hololive is a talented prodigy. Well maybe Yagoo is for founding the most successful company. But not the girls, the ones that are truly talented already had careers prior to joining.

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>>78617966
Yes, because Fishman doesn't need to leash her and lets her do JP networking and events like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8gpu94m5L4&t=20000s
Part of it is her own decision too but she would have to become Beryl 2.0 or Hana 2.0 to get into a corpo like Hololive and I think at this point in her career, she's kinda done doing that.
>>78617992
If that is the case, then PC has a much better record having only one termination and 0 graduations frankly so far and has inducted more people and invaders from an EN standpoint.
Also the people I mentioned are people where singing is their best ability but they can do other things like being entertaining during streams and zatsu and etc. and in Beryl's case, she has the skills to actually pull off 3D well because of what she did prior to Vtubing. That's why Hololive earns a failure for not attempting to get them in over who they have now in those positions in my opinion.

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>>78618125
I would gladly take irrelevance over being crucified before a single stream starts

[Anonymous No.]

>>78614349
Stop saying coherent arguments!

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>>78618461
You can't stop yourself from publicly sucking cock for a couple of days?
Because only the ones who do it are getting crucified.

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>>78618437
>PC has a much better record *as of the moment
ftfy; after all, it'd suck if this aged like wine in the next 6 months
I won't debate you on the chuubas you mentioned because I don't know who they are. Out of respect for someone who probably does, I'll assume your judgement is okay. My point still stands that there needs to be a balance of performing and being entertaining from stream to stream to even reach the starting line for Holo, if not all Vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617966
>groomed by some middle aged chink who cheats on his wife to join a corpo that doesnt offer her anything related to being an idol
Beryl deserved better, RIP to a potential top holoEN member

[Anonymous No.]

>>78618676
It's very telling that the loudest ones here equate "a few friendly tweets to male Vtubers" with "sucking cock"

I'd say some of you need to touch grass but I'd feel bad for the grass.

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>>78618676
>Unicuck
Very grim. No wonder why normie see vtuber fans as mentally challenged.

[Anonymous No.]

None of them (barring maybe mint whose a bit of a pushover) would sign the standard holo 2view contract as its simply not worth it if your already big.

However while there are 100% contracts that would benefit both hololive the brand and the talent in question, the indirect effect on hololive the business would be too negative as pekora, miko, gura etc all start demanding similar concessions on their contracts.

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>>78618676
That's some dangerous cuck projection you got there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78618789
I am not going to argue that it is stupid but it is equally stupid to know of this and still do it.
But let's face it the worst that happens is you effectively will cull your success, and that isn't exclusive to Hololive or VTubers.
Most Streamers do not reveal that part of their private life no matter what.
Mint knows how an Idol has to act and interact, she would never interact with males in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78618713
There's no danger of it blowing up like Nijisanji and there is a reason they alone survived out of all the other small corpos that have gone defunct that had better resources like Cyberlive and Tsunderia. Their termination was also over a year ago and an isolated incident. Arguing that this might change in the future doesn't change that it is the case now.
Also, your palate and repotorie for who you watch from a Vtubing standpoint is too limited to be able to be right in deferring judgement saying Hololive has this right every time. There is a world beyond the walled garden that is sizable for a reason that people are happy with. As a rare person who goes in and out of the garden, it's not to say Hololive doesn't have this mostly right but they have their own challenges too with content and who they hire so I watch people from outside for the things where Hololive falls short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619111
>Mint knows how an Idol has to act and interact, she would never interact with males in Hololive.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>78610639
Mint and Doki could do the job, but I suspect they're not eager to be under a corporate yoke again and they seem to be flourishing in their current environment. Meanwhile Ironmouse and Henya wouldn't be able to keep up with the work. Mouse's health would get in the way and Henya would absolutely fall to pieces under the pressure of a real corpo. Lastly, Filian just isn't a good match for Holo in any regard. Her content and style are just the polar opposite of what Hololive does. She'd get yabbed out of the company in a flash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610815
I can guarantee the Holo fanbase is more toxic than all of them combined

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619111
I can see what you're saying but I'd argue this only matters if you only define success in purely numerical terms.

If ERB for example doesn't shatter numbers but makes enough to be happy and be happy to freely interact with whoever she wants? Then who cares?

Will she? Who knows, no one has any way to determine that and sentiment on 4chan is perhaps the worst metric on anything ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619237
you know she's like lesbian right? she talked about her past girlfriend lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
Mint is likely the only one who'd consider joining. Also Vshojo is going hard on trying to recruit her.
Doki likes being indie too much
I don't think Hololive really has anything to offer Henya she doesn't already have.
Ironmouse is the queen of Twitch
Filian I believe is the same as Doki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619400
I agree fully, if she want to go that route, sets the expectations straight and knows what comes with it then no problem there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619237
Lay off catalog and listen to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619215
From your experience, tell me as someone who doesn't watch a single Holo: what do you look for that can only be found outside of the corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619445
queen of Twitch kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>78620909
Numbers aside I think the point is Ironmouse would never want or need to join Hololive

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>>78620909

[Anonymous No.]

>>78621287
2 million hours of sleep streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>78621563
>sleep streams
show me one, in those past 30 days, i'm sure numbermonkey like you can back up your claim

[Anonymous No.]

>>78621287
>rust drop sleep streams
lmao

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>>78610639
Ironmouse and Henya are already in another vtuber agency. Vshojo may be the least "vtuber agency"-ish vtuber agency in existence, but it's still technically a vtuber agency. They'd have to leave Vshojo in order to join Hololive (unless either Yagoo or Cover buys out Vshojo from Gunrun wholesale).

Doki has so much behind the scenes support from her staff, and also so much staff period, that she is effectively (and all but officially) a vtuber agency unto herself - she is the most "vtuber agency"-ish vtuber agency which is technically NOT a vtuber agency. It's very unlikely that she'd be willing to give all of that up to join Cover, especially since she's about to unveil her brand new skinsuit on Saturday evening; and even if she wanted to join, she still has a ton of convention appearances and other deals booked for at least the next six months.

Mint CAN'T join Cover before her NDA expires, she can't even try. Cover and Anycolor are both in Japan, where her NDA is enforceable. And like Doki, she is currently in the process of rebuilding her IP, and is unlikely to trade her IP for whatever Yagoo could offer her that Gunrun can't.

Filian would have very, VERY little to gain by joining Cover. She's already the world's largest non-Cover EN vtuber, so big that they had to mention her in their investors report. There is almost nothing that she needs or wants, which Cover could give her, and which she cannot already get on her own or through Mythic. Plus she'd have to nuke the lewd collab stream vods and AI chatbot from her Fansly account, and she'd have to wear spats over her leotard, to fully cover her cheeks and crack

[Anonymous No.]

>>78616046
>more money
you'd need about triple your CCV for it to be even close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78611626
Why is she a pic though

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
>Why would you hire new people with more obscure PL's that'd grow popular because of your branding and become dependent on your branding when you can hire people who will very easily have a place to run off to once they've gotten what they need and therefore have more leverage over you

[Anonymous No.]

>>78616662
> Henya, not american
What does that even mean? You know most of EN are mixed genes or dont live in America?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78622221
i fell asleep watching her chat not moving, sorry

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>>78610639
I don't want any of those. Not them, not their fans, none of it. Hololive is a different atmospherem the girls you mentioned don't belong in it.
MAYBE Mint but she's a used up whore now, years of niji did their damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78625554
So, no proof then? Typical. I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
4 random 2view that nobody /here/ heard about. easy to manage and would forever be grateful for the opportunity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
I would have snapped up the following four:
Cecilia Immergreen (German)
Kanna Yanagi (Norwegian)
REM Kanashibari (British)
Wildcard slot: Miya Mareena because her german accent is cute, otherwise this slot is free and could be used for some cute french girl so we would have (German, Norwegian, English, French) which covers the relevant part of europe pretty well

[Anonymous No.]

>>78624942
Not even correct either. She was born on American soil to an American father

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>>78610639
Every talent you listed, OP, would 100% be unwilling to sign away their IP or forego their IP and adopt a new model for obvious reasons. Now we can argue about whether or not it's a good business practice to allow talents to keep ownership of their IP or whether or not it's a good practice to force them to give up a current persona and adopt a brand new one, but the fact remains that some vtubers (cough Chikafuji Lisa cough) have been determined to keep their IP and refuse to adopt a new model. Clearly it is in their interest to do so. And I would argue so far as to say that all of the names you listed (except mint) would take an income hit by joining Holo

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>>78610639
You can't promise them that success associated with them dropping everything and going to their corpo would be necessarily greater than the success they are having right here and right now.
Mint and Doki are probably burnt out on corpos and perms autism in general, they won't bite. Mint might probably join VShoujo at some point or remain VShoujo-adjacent because of Matara. Not much is tying her to Hololive though. Doki is currently swimming in publicity and cash, she won't bite.
Filian is very much an unrefined zoomer with her gimmicks not translating very well to hololive at all.
Mousey uses her avatar as the extension of her own self, in her own words. I don't think she will be fine with not changing models/outfits as often. Plus, she can't exactly participate in idol activities due to her health.

Catching them on their way down? Probably an option, although not a good one. They would need:
- fall off in viewership enough for it to bother them
- not retire after they got their bag and figured out their life
- not fall off due to yabs which would clearly make them unhireable
This is way too tall of an order and I wouldn't wish it upon them anyway.

At least someone must live out their life in the fullest, I am more comfortable with just watching and admiring from afar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
There is value digging through dirt for diamons
there is no value is picking dog turds off the streets

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
Let's imagine that somehow I had to get them to sign or I would get seppuku-ed. Ironmouse would not only demand 100% ownership of her ip, all the donation money, and no perms issues, she would want them to be applied to the others as well. This would cripple Hololive. If I had to just get 1, it would be Mint and it would be a bidding war with VShojo since I have to somehow convince her low self esteem ass that she can get to 1 million subs and be an idol by debuting yet again. It is the most possible but not easy at all.

[Anonymous No.]

Holobegger Vermin

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>>78617964
Seriously, those who keep wanting Hololive to nab some big indie need to realize that there is almost nothing at all that Hololive can offer them. These vtubers are in the 1% already without a corpo taking a cut. Why would they even want to join? And with Doki's ambitions, her starting a new VShojo competitor is something she would want to do rather than submit to someone else. Of course, Holo fans won't listen since they only view vtubers as Hololive or nobodies and Twitch as that horny (but in a bad way) corp that they are too stupid to figure out how to block ads on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78611626
Henya would hate being in Hololive. She's as spontaneous as she is lazy as fuck. With her giddy freedom to play what she wants when she wants and owning her own IP, she has no reason at all to go to Hololive. Do you see how fun she has in modded Minecraft? Or how she loves streaming on twitch? Yeah, Laplus moved to twitch but no way Hololive would want a new hire to start on that platform. Even as Pikamee, she moved more and more over to twitch since she liked it better and her own style of yap, game, eat while react, and collab on the spot is something Hololive cannot allow her to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78611507
Seethe harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>78612198

How? She's a talentless hack. All she does is fall over and zoomers think it's funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
>mint, doki, henya and ironmouse gen in hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610815
>Debut under new names.
Because that works nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
Fuck off Holobegging fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>78626509
>And I would argue so far as to say that all of the names you listed (except mint) would take an income hit by joining Holo
I doubt that Mint would earn more in Hololive. She actually earns more in Supas and Streamlabs than Doki and swims in gifted memberships as well. At a time in which she should have a very low Finana, she still pulled 6300 live viewers playing some shovelware with uncomfortably low chat engagement (what are you supposed to do when she plays Deal or No Deal? >hurr durr pick 8) She consistently earned most of all girl at her old workplace, this also means she got more than Doki obviously, and this didn't seem to have changed. Doki makes that up with sponsorships and merch. Mint seems to perform at every convention right now and that suits her well (also that's yet another money maker). She would trade the possibility of performing once on some big stage for constant events. If that's really worth it...? Surely Mint would like to do this at some point, but she's more of a fan and yeah she had no reason to join Cover financially speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78629968
fuck off /#/

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610815
fpbp
>>78611507
and /thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>78615767
>>78619288
>seething vshojofags
When are you going to learn to avoid bait?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78630880
>fuck off /#/
Why are you telling Holofags to fuck off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>78629968
>>78630880
>morons still believe this is a holochad and not a falseflag.
cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631196
NTA but it's getting annoying how they CONSTANTLY beg for my oshi to join their tribe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631196
fuck yourself /#/

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631196
>>78631266
No unicorn death

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631266
Bullshit, Holofags make these types of threads to shit on others. It provides cover for them. "Why didn't x make it in Holo gen?" or "x should join Holo" then they shit talk about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631553
completely false, Holofags/unicorns always directly criticize talents without the need to make falseflags.
this is a troll and nothing more

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631525
>No unicorn death
yes, unicorns are not going to die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78631283
no holochad wants this bitch on hololive, this is a falseflag

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632193
Nope, Holocorns are the biggest pussys, and these types of threads are cover for bashing chuubas they don't like that is those who are not in Holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617820
>You beg for the top talents all the time
It literally never happened, not only that but one of those "top talents" tried and was rejected to join hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632357
Tell your friends to stop spamming the catalog then
>>78420275
>>78420864
>>78442168
>>78411401
>>78425303
>>78441619
>>78447342
>>78447993
>>78476396
>>78485064
>>78465914
>>78486168
>>78492689
>>78494129
>>78529959
>>78540420
>>78574504
>>78584809
>>78585921
>>78594868
>>78595096
>>78600127

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632532
Completely false and you are lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632357
True, us Holochads want Justice, Holostar collabs, and Bilibili streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632645
Holofags are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632645
>friends
I am not a friend of the sisters,vshojofag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632674
those are all fine when hololive does them

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632771
so true fellow holoshart

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632674
>>78632745
ok, this is a falseflag from vshojofags.
It's funny how you guys always reveal yourself so quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632771
>>78632809
>>78632674
>samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632897
>>78632979
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632645
The constant Mintbegging combined with this new gen announcement featuring at least 1 member actively exchanging tweets with male members created an explosive reaction of pure autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78633071
Yep

[Anonymous No.]

>>78633028
I accept your concession,vshojofag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78633175
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>78633071
>>78633111
>morons still think this is the work of the holochads
pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>78632272
>unicorn not die
Sure be pathetic real unicorn death

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
Clearly if they haven't applied they aren't interested. I'd only reach out to people like noel who might not even be aware of hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

Not only do I not see this happening, but I would actually lose a small amount of respect for Dokibird and Mint* Part of the charm for me is the fact that they are indies, not beholden to any billionaire in a suit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78633296
If you think it's Mint fans or Vshoujo doing it, I have a bridge to sell you because the threads would've been constant instead of something that spun up and died within days of her coming back since May. The begging always happens and coincidences with when she mentions her future plans on stream or situations like this, not to mention pre-announcement EN4 threads. Not to say that those types of people aren't doing it but the fact that >>78632645 was able to pull over twenty OPs and it coincided with Hololive's EN4 announcement means most of it is attributable to Hololive fans. You can't blame Nijisisters here either, they don't care anymore after she "backstabbed" Lazulight figuratively reassociating with Doki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78633296
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>78634108
>normie thinks holochads watch mint streams
lmao
>it is impossible for antiholofags to make a falseflag
The reason this happens is because Mint fans are angry because they wanted their whore to enter hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>78635101
Don't need to watch streams to shitpost. You should know that better than anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78617971
working on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
Non-compete clauses.

Also, since the people you mentioned are more established and successful, with their brands exceeding the scope of their previous iterations, they have more leverage during contract negotiations. Hololive is trying to find talents on the cheap so that they can exploit them. How is this not obvious to you?

[Anonymous No.]

it would be too costly since these are talents that can already have an audience without hololive's brand, so they would not accept the deals small indies get when they join in
and the room from grown would be also harder since people have already formed opinions on those. If you already anti, for example, bao, it's harder to stop and catch her stream because she's now bao hololive invaders ch.
not that i'm saying it would not happen, but it would happen way less than 'hey check this brand new girl'

[Anonymous No.]

>>78630880
>Replies to /lig/
>fuck off /#/, holo thread
There are easier way to admit retardness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>78610639
Doki's humor is a bit heavy for holo, if Ame exploded with the shark for rust Doki would fucking destroy her, isn't Ironlung one of the vshojo leaders? there is no point, the others could work but there is now way Filian would ever accept when she can keep all the money she is making as indie for herself

[Anonymous No.]

>>78619419
her lesbian gf?
>luca

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>>78621095
didn't she cry before cause holo fans don't know her

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>>78623028
twitch numbers is like Zimbabwean currency, it doesn't reflect reality
sponsorships and merch is where money is at

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>>78636988
Yeah that's why all streamers return after their exclusive Youtube/Facebook/Kick contract runs out.

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>>78636578
>Raziel
FTFY. And fuck off, Millie.

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>>78636578
More like Raziel

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>>78610639
>Perhaps even as an "Invaders" gen ?
Means you have would not be using your proprietary software
>Mint, Doki, Henya, Ironmouse and Filian
Doki, IM and Filian dont need a corpo. Henya was just too late. Do you have any other choices?

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>>78610639
They would say no.

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>>78610639
Hololive's whole gimmick is that they can take an obscure one view and turn them into a 4view/5view, its part of their appeal.

You might as well be VShojo if you're only going to hire highly established individuals.

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>>78612632
My dude, lot's of Holomem's had been part of other corpo's before, especially in EN. That's not the problem.
And no Hololive doesn't really take on 2view or 3views - very rarely, and only if they showed a lot of potential. Lot's of their talents in EN and JP were doing numbers, or have solid backgrounds. You may get one 3 view or two in a gen, but the other 3-4 are always bigger fish. Cover wants to expand the fanbase, so having a new member bring their audience, and an audience that is from outside Hololive ecosystem is a massive plus.

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>>78639823
newfag

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>>78639836
The easiest way to think about it is:
If you are in a niche where it is easier to get big numbers, for example singing, then big numbers will matter
If you are in a niche where it is hard to get big numbers, for example gaming, then small numbers wont matter that much but big numbers help

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>>78613701
Don't be ridiculous anon. Hololive had accepted talents that have less to offer to Hololive than Doki, Mint or Henya. You are getting ridiculous.
- Doki was no 'litteral who'. In Niji she was someone who really helped NijiEN give HoloEN a run for it's money. She was one of the most influential corpo EN vtuber, a 2021-2022 Ame on steroids.
- Mint is Idol material. She proved herself both as a corpo and an indie. She was by far the most succesful EN corpo outside Myth financially. She has a fanbase and an audience, that would add to Holo's.
- Henya put VOS on the map. She managed to be on of the biggest vtubers of her time, in a low 3 and 2 view corpo. And now she shines in VShoujo. She has the idol material, and is cute, which is a good sale in Hololive.

Filian and Ironmouse don't need Hololive... well, neither does Henya now... or Doki... Mint needs it only if she dreams to be an idol.
But that's not the point. The point is that all those girls are very talented, and managed to get to the top in an industry that has tens of thousands of vtubers.

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>>78639836
What are you talking about? At least in EN they've gotten content creators who had a ton of YouTube subs, but none of them had 4view CCV and the majority were low 3views.

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>>78639823
My brother in Christ. Barely anyone that joined Holo in the past 4 years has been a 3 view, let alone a 2view. Most of their candidates where girls with years of experience, established content creators, with as much as 1 million subs, former idols and peoples from the entertainment industry, or vtubers in other corpo's. Even in the early gens, peoples like Subaru, Mio, Okayuu... those where peoples who were on TV back in the days. Cover doesn't pick nobodies, unless the see something really special in them. And even then, a 3view, is gonna debut in a gen with at least 3 others that where fully established independent content creators.

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>>78640655
Even being a 3view is essentially "making it" as far as a streamer goes. Depending on your content and audience, (and, let's be honest, gender), that is around the point you can start going full time. It's also not true that none were 4views, and some had very high metrics in other areas.

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>>78610639
Cover is at a level where it has no need for scouting. Scouting was done back in the days, when they were a small corpo, with few good candidates, and went scouting looking for bigger talents that could push the company forward.
But now, there are going to be a ton of aplicants. Why scout then, when you can simply select candidates who trully want to be in Hololive and are fans of it, instead of scouting someone, and risking to later discover that they don't enjoy it and don't like the ecosystem of Hololive, and leave.
I don't think that Cover would reject any of those 5 if they applied to join. But there is no reason for Cover to go after them.
As for applying, I don't see Filian or Ironmouse having any interest in joining Hololive. IronMouse is not fitted for it due to her condition, while Filian would never prosper in a system without her full creative freedom and her style of content. Plus, she is already the biggest EN indie in the industry. Henya is in Vshoujo, which is not some small corpo she had a reason to abandon for Hololive. She would have been a great fit. But she is fine where she is now, why start over again?
Doki is not fit for Hololive. She is a streamer. She was ironically the most fitted talent for Nijisanji and their ecosystem. She has no interest in being an idol, or a musician, she is a gamer. She is creative and highly talented, and would definetly push HoloEN to the next level - she would be like a Pekora of HoloEN, with all the events and tournaments she could create - things that are missing badly in HoloEN. But she is not fit for Holo, is not her kind of place to be in. Plus, she is building a company around herself now, she is becoming too big of an indie to want in a corpo, and the return vs the imput, would be in her disatvantage.
Mint is a fit for Holo - but is up to debate if she joins. She was never to be in EN4, peoples were foolish to think that, as the auditions ended while even Selen was still in Niji. Depends when EN5 is going to be a thing, and I suspect we are gonna wait a lot longer for that than for EN4. Will she wait that much? At least as an indie vtuber, CCV wise, she is doing even better than Doki, which place her at the very top of the EN indie industry. She could just join Vshoujo for management. It really depends were her dreams and aspirations are. Personally, I really like her model, and is a great fit for her... it would be too bad to let it waste.

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>>78641946
Doki is taking in huge stacks of money as it is. She doesn't need hololive

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>>78610639
>Mint
>Doki
>Henya
>Ironmouse
>Filian

Couldn't you come up with better examples?

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>>78640972
It's 100% true none of them averaged a 4view CCV. A couple of them were mid to high 3views though.

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>>78610639
>Wouldn't this be the best possible move business-wise ?
No, they have too much leverage

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>>78619111
>Most Streamers do not reveal that part of their private life no matter what.
Relationships, yes. Not a single non-vtuber content creator has EVER refused to straight up talk to the opposite sex, on camera or otherwise because of a perceived extremely possessive fanbase.

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>>78629245
Not an argument

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>>78610639
Got your answer?

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>>78648161
No u