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Why doesn't Hololive update their models? They are so out of date by this point that basically every 2 view I see has a better looking more advanced model than Hololive

I seriously feel like its 2020 again whenever I watch Hololive

>> No.77737908

Pekora is perfect the way she is

>> No.77738063

>>77737888
No upside in changing what’s working for them so far

>> No.77738115

at least a rigging update would be nice, but they’re using the same thing since 2020 and its hilarious. I’m fine with either option.

>> No.77738201

>>77737888
They did it with Fubuki and she looks like a retard now.

>> No.77738241

>>77738201
fbk new model is fucking sex

>> No.77738256

>>77737888
Why spend money when you don't have to?

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>>77738201
>now

>> No.77738437

>>77737888
because no one cares about the 2d except autists, it could be a png for all most care.
3d concerts are the goal and what actually matters
and hololive has the competition beat there

>> No.77738527

>>77738201
This. Most of the models are already fine and changing them ruins them.

>> No.77738551

>>77737888
Both Niji and Holo have the most outdated Live2D around. Even that new lewd vtubing company that debuted the other day all have better models too but it's kind of funny the multi-million company can't do it.

>> No.77738606

>*add excessive amount of forced, wobbly motion everywhere*
>GUYS ITS SO ADVANCED

>> No.77738625

>>77737888
They have. Several times updated and patched models? Do you even watch clips?

>> No.77738705

>>77738201
I miss friend's previous model. I get why she wanted to update it to this one but the previous one had the best :D face in the scene. New one is good, but something about the previous one was a lot more charming than this one. This one looks a bit more generic? Dunno what it is about it. At least they updated her outfits to the new model too. I thought we were gonna lose some of them.

>> No.77738905

>>77737888
OP looks like those people who use softwares to make anime 60fps and think it looks good, wish I had that joke gif of Mario's in high fps all wonky

>> No.77738996

>>77738705
fubukis old model sucked it looked like it was from a 90s anime. the new model makes her perfect for lewding

>> No.77739538

>>77737888
because everyone else needs to compensate on their rigging, models etc because of how shit the people behind the models are when it comes to being entertaining

>> No.77739592

>>77737888
Riggers overcharge and if the audience still watches them anyway why bother wasting the money

>> No.77739647

>>77737888
twitch has convinced zoomers that literally everything bouncing all the time = good rigging. This looks much better than your zoomer subway surfer rigging, seethe about it.

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>>77737888
This may sound like a really crazy thing, but you do not need 1000 things going on at once for a "good" model.

>> No.77740124

>>77737888
small corpo no budget pls understand

>> No.77740191

>>77737888
Being made of jello isn't "advanced", retard.

>> No.77740216

its funny when holos collab with outsiders and you see the contrast on how rigid holos models are and how recycled their skeletons and animations
are in comparison

>> No.77740344

>>77739647
And hololive hasn't convinced their viewers that it's ok for a model have a total of 2 expressions and almost no mouth tracking?

>> No.77741161

>>77738606
I just watched Choco's new model debut and the rigging is frankly subpar. I want to know what kind of copium you're huffing that you think this is good or desirable and feel like you need to defend it.

>> No.77741201

>>77740344
Because the alternative is shit like Snuffy or Mochi that makes you look like an ADHD zoomer

>> No.77742211

>>77737888
I dont see those 2 views getting bigger anytime soon tho. Maybe it's not about the model, anon

>> No.77744737

>>77738201
They gave her a redesign, they didn't update their rigging/tracking.
Those are two very separate things.

>> No.77744819

>>77738625
>hype up Live2D 3.0
>it's a couple new toggles
Wow

>> No.77744870

>>77738705
>something about the previous one was a lot more charming than this one
The something is that you saw it first and have spent more time with it

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77745037

>looks exactly the same for half a decade

they better update or the competition is going to pass them by

>> No.77745039

>>77738606
and its nothing new too, people used to shit on keffiy for not knowing how to do anything expect make everything flop around everywhere and being unable to make anything look as good as his original Watame which didn't flop around TOO much
these days flappy floppy retard models is the norm outside of hololive and its an eyesore

>> No.77745293

>>77738606
>>77739738
This is not and has never been what people are referring to when they talk about Hololive models being outdated.

What we are talking about is more head angles and range of motion, more accurate tracking, more mouth shapes, things like this.
It is not in any way about having a hundred toggles or overtuned physics.

There are some models in Hololive whose mouths are, without even being very reductive, a single mouth shape that flaps open and shut.

>> No.77745810

>>77737888
It's soul

>> No.77746819

>>77737888
because people sperg when you objectively improve their models, as seen by people itt somehow deluding themselves into thinking old FBK was better

>> No.77746892

>>77746819
based

>> No.77746973

when i ask for updated models i am not asking for disgusting adhd indie rugs where everything is jiggling even the highlights of the eyes. track the mouth better and let them lean back and forth, fix the shitty fucking angles when they look to the side, or fire the retard in their company who can't into z-axis and use your yagoobucks to get a better rigger. same for 3D, the hair for some girls is so bad and everyone needs more expressive faces

>> No.77747083

>>77738606
They're so used to the stiffness that better animation looks unnatural to them. It's like consolefags defending 30fps.

>> No.77747293

>>77744737
>They gave her a redesign, they didn't update their rigging
a new live2d model requires a brand new rig to tie all the different parts of the "puppet" together
it's not like with 3d when the model and animation rig are two separate things

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>>77746892
based off what? please use english

>> No.77747468

>you don't get it, Gura being a literal plywood rhombus is SOVL

>> No.77747670

>>77747468
You just don't get it, Gura getting a lazy eye half of the time because the rigger forgot to unpeg her pupils' Z axis is kino, actually.

>> No.77747871

>>77747468
>>77747670
Shin Umiushi HATE

>> No.77747881

>>77747293
Yeah, it is a new model and it probably had better rigging than the original. But that doesn't mean its rigging was "updated" from the Holo standard, which is very behind.

>> No.77747910

>>77745037
>"competition"
Kuzuha have a shitty rigged and i don't see anyone from any homosphere could get to his level. What make you think those 2views gonna be in "competition"

>> No.77749459

>>77737888
they are updating them. they have been updating them for three years. this is what "updating their models" looks like when it's happening at the speed of japanese management. "updating their models" only means that they're falling behind the rest of the industry at a slightly slower pace than they were falling behind before.

>> No.77751059

>>77745039
The Watame rigging isn't much different than others he's done. Other people just don't know how to use it and refuse to learn or change their set up.

>> No.77752505

Henya is a good example of a model that's far more expressive than any of the Holos but has no "jiggle".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iurvMbIldBE
Holofans if you want to defend your models being old because of equality between talent or something then that's fine but the reality is that they're outdated to the point of being a bit embarrassing, barely expressive, and frankly a bit cheap looking.
I straight up did not watch vtubers for a year and a half because all I saw were clips of Holo models, the tracking limits and mouth flap made them visual clutter like a flat image instead of like I was watching an anime person. I only started because my friend is one who makes indie models and seeing what the faces could actually be made me give indies a shot.
There are tens of excellent artists and riggers out there that would do a great job at Holo models thus removing the massive wait time to have everybody updated equally, if they'd swap to VTS instead of their proprietary system (which objectively is not as good at VTS) they'd be able to work with them easily.

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>>77752505
>Henya is a good example of a model that's far more expressive than any of the Holos

>> No.77753155

>>77752874
I picked someone with no jiggle to avoid the argument, personally I think Buffpup's 3.0 is the best model out there right now when it comes to face expression but she has tits so I figured there'd be whining about it. Here's just the face though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVBXm-9TaM&t=2949s

>> No.77753467

>>77737888
My oshi should not have worse rigging than some random 3 view on twitch, it’s fucking bullshit

>> No.77756889

>>77752874
proof?

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