/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

*effortlessly rapes NijiEN to death and pisses on its corpse*

[Anonymous No.]

Kneel before Matara Kan, Slayer of Rrats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
You're welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
Vwhorejo concert doko??????

[Anonymous No.]

I’m not watching Vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

Based, fuck Nijisanji EN.
Phase Connect should be next

[Anonymous No.]

Niji did it to themselves. VShojo didn't do any active sabotage

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
To be fair NijiEN raped itself to death, Vshojo just scooped up all their good vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664728
>mika, nina and mysta
>good

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
Michi completely covering the timeslot when no one else is live with 12 hour streams has been nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664772
>best id
>only good ethyria
>only good luxiem
>more coming probably
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
vshojo is even worse than nijishit
holo >>>>> idol > phase >>>>>> pajeet pissing in my mouth >>> niji > vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664868
I'm glad you agree they are mediocre

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664938

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664726
Poaching their ex-members and treating them right where even basic competent management left Matara, Kuro, and Michi shocked directly further harms Niji's reputation while simutaneously propping up Vshojo's own reputation

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664583
never gonna kneel before the judenroach.
>Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664868
If they grabbed Mint, Doki, Rosemi, or Scarle I might agree with you, but the only one of the Niji’s they grabbed I really care about is Nina.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664623
anime expo with brave group

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665251
Mika wasn't well known outside of Niji but she's one of the better ones, she's already outperforming legacy VSJ members for a reasons. And I expect they will pick up one or two of the ones you mentioned sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664772
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
Coming for holo next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
Save sayu and then we talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665659
>planting a flag in a pile of shit

[Anonymous No.]

tnd

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665144
Don't make the Allies come down and kick your ass a second time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665714
claiming just the rainbow before it's get eaten

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664772
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665429
I'd fall on any sword for 4/4

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665042
Why are VShojofags racists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
WHORES WHORES WHORES WHORES

[Anonymous No.]

>>77666671
There is a duality to the fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>77666665
So close anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664938
Even the lowest performing vshojo mogs the highest performing nijien

[Anonymous No.]

shitposting aside, do people still even consider or actually watch niji en nowdays. even idol and pc mogs them ez for free now

[Anonymous No.]

>>77666671
are lost tourist? go back to pleddit if you want a faggot safespace hugbox

[Anonymous No.]

>>77666997
They do, the nijis from vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>77666997
Not really, even sisters are starting to resign themselves to their fate and transitioning from "this is fine" copes to "if riku has ten fans, i am one of them"

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667101
>tourist
Just asking questions, if anything you guys are bigger tribalfags than everyone else here.

[Anonymous No.]

i remember a time when VShojo and Niji were practically indistinguishable, when their fans banded together constantly to shit on Hololive because of muh idol culture muh sanitized content

seeing them eat each other alive brings me great joy

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667195
>>77663893
>Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo and vtubers who frequently associate with them.
>and vtubers who frequently associate with them.
>vtubers who frequently associate with them.
UHH HOLOCHADS? WHERE'S THE TRIBALFAGGING?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667375
Just post an AI picture with the monkeys and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667195
you're wasting your time, vnijifags are the only tribalniggers more insane than holofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667375
>vtubers who frequently associate with them.
>vtubers who frequently associate with them.
>vtubers who frequently associate with them.
Aka, vtubers that are practically in vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667107
like drama and faggotry aside they are just not entertaining at all. the women are either boring talentless shitters/frauds like rosemi or absolute cunts like enna that its not even funny anymore. Then the dudes are just all gay baiting and being sjw faggots.
hololive has idolshit
Phase has funny cursed girlfailures, schizophrenia and polfags
vailure and vshojo has yappers, peepeepoopoo toilet humor, coomers, whores and henya
mythic has filian lily and nyanners
but niji en is just pure spite, negativity and being simply boring there is zero reason to watch em

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667352
you have schizophrenia or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667375
>linking your own shitpost instead of the OP
falseflaggers are hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667195
its just calling a spade a spade anon we all know you just hate vshojo because twitch isnt included in your free dataplan
its also not a coincidence that the vshojo bait threads only happens during certain hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667352
heres a secret anon the shit that happens here is usually made by catalog faggots that dont even watch streams and just picks teams based on whats funnier to hate on

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667741
But I thought vshojo fans don't leave their general

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667606
I've been on Twitch longer than you, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does /sea/ hate their own kind so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667774
they dont its just a bunch of catalog mongoloids or number monkeys as usual people will falseflag as what ever side for lulz… unless its a nijisister those fat fugly fucks are retarded and easy to spot

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664623
Why does every retard on this site think every vtuber company is an idol company and needs to do concerts??? Also matara is tone Def.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667542
a good chunk of vsj fags used to be ABH contrarians, and found a lot of common grounds with sisters
since Niji collapsed you see that less and less as they started to pile on the weaker corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667850
that's why they're always on standby to raid any thread criticizing their company right

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667870
What is ABH?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667850
>they dont
What are you, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667789
do you want a medal for making a twitch account free drops on your warframe / smite account faggot? proves nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665251
Funny because Michi is the only member I care about and was one of only 3 Nijis I cared about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667918
anything but hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667935
someone better than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667967
she wasnt even niji en

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667939
It proves my account is older than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668030
nah it just proves you love to suck cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668005
I never said anything about EN, I've watched her since 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
>Niji commits suicide in front of everyone
>Vshojo trying to claim they did it
...are you guys that lacking in achievements?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668202
VShojo can't even do an audition right, what achievements do you expect from them? kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668202
they do have achievements, killed kson's creative drive, sucked the soul out of henya, that's just off the top

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668202
waste not

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667870
a corpo that is being meme’d for having “talent freedom” and their tubers being conteoversial for being too free and does whatever they want is on the same side as the company being know for doing the most restrictive and blackest and anti talent ever in big corpo history
yea makes a lot of sense me… you moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667968
most vshojofans are neutral to positive about holo and the ones who dislike it usually just don't think it's their cup of tea. nothing wrong with that.

>>77668253
There was nothing wrong with the auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668202
If it wasn't for their aggressive poaching tactics, the stockholmed losers and battered housewives would still staying in Niji and going "i Am NoTHiNg WiThOuT ThE CoRp"

Sure the PR backlash would still have happened but all of the biggest talents leaving gave the fans the greenlight to delete the brainwashing from their brain and realize it's a fucking black corp.
If Pomu was still in there for example I guarantee you pomucuckchi's would still be supporting Niji and mumbling something about "m-muh oshi"

[Anonymous No.]

Success breeds jealousy

[Anonymous No.]

Idk what this thread about but watch Henya's 3D if you have the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mj-n8vsbpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mj-n8vsbpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mj-n8vsbpA

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668386
>There was nothing wrong with the auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668276
tell me this soul you speak is it because you cant watch her on youtube anymore? lol did you even watch her in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

I still remember the Talent Freedom arc lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668435
Why is my stinky daughter so cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668200
Didnt she collab with Mysta mostly and other Luxiem members all the time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668466
How that lack of freedom went for niji en

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668386
>There was nothing wrong with the auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

the only reason vshojo is being attacked right now is holofags are lonely since niji en has literally become irrelevant and vshojo is the next closest thing to them when it comes to numbers that they can punch down from
there must always be a villian… there must alwags be a lich king or else the holofags will turn on themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668436
>>77668539
Autism moose won.
You lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668436
>>77668539
Go on, if you can.

[Anonymous No.]

What even is talent freedom, 90% of their content is watching youtube videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668436
>>77668539
stop samefagging, you're embarrassing

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668589
One person fell for a phishing link.
VSHOKEKS OWNED
GUNRUN BANKRUPT
HENYA FORCED TO JOIN HOLOLIVE

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
third world banana republics can't wrap their head around freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667789
>>77668030
i have a 2011 account so i'm better than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668598
No
3 replies in the span of 15 seconds, how mad. Surely none of you 3 are VShojofags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668529
forget the freedom… wheres the fucking play buttons and management to support the talents lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668647
are you perhaps off your meds anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
talent freedom is charity events
https://x.com/dnpeek/status/1799155218543976928

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668683
there are no vshojo fans outside of their designated shitting thread, the people defending them in the catalog are just admirers

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668586
I like this cute tard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668683
>nooo many people can't like the most popular english vtuber group that's impossible

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668683
How does it feel to be owned by a canuck that's too retarded to know what sex is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668520
Early 2022 sure, after that sometimes with Mysta and once in a blue moon with Shu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
you keep saying this but you cant even prove it because you cant even go to twitch. react content is kinda dead nowadays tbqh. 12 hour yapping streams and rust content creator servers is kinda the meta now

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
Talent freedom is bullying one of your main members out with death threats for playing a game you don't like

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
you're mixing up vshojo with hololive management

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
NIJISEETHE

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668833
How was I owned, I'm not a vtuber that applied for VShojo, this doesn't affect me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
I thought calling vshojo nijisanji2 was a joke about poaching talents not about having the same toxic fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
God you are retarded. That's like saying Hololive bullied Coco because she was harassed by chinks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668582
Things seem pretty tame now honestly, at least by catalog standards. It was much worse when Nyan and Vei were some of the most prominent VShojo members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
you act like streamers being harrassed and spammed with death threats that caused them to retire never happened to hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668926
that literally happened though, that's why she quit

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
funny because this happened alot more in nijisanji like roa, notluna and selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668935
Yeah, and there's not a big audience overlap/competition like there was with HoloEN and NijiEN. There's really nothing for the fanbases to fight over, they don't even use the same platform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668926
it's not the same situation though, coco was bullied by outsiders, tranny types are the bulk of vshojo's fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668958
Tourist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668926
>>77668950
Hold on. I thought Coco's graduation was because of creative differences and her decision to graduate was like months before the chink situation even happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668582
things is, vshojo ecosystem is outside the holo sphere. They stream on twitch which is seanigs kryptonite. they can co exist withjout clashing.
holonigs have phasenigs if they want a punching bag.

[Anonymous No.]

>literally talked about getting a blowjob on stream
Defend this, vshocucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANMu-TapE4

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
Phase have more talent freedom than vshojokek and they an actual corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669040
historian*

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669037
Like I said, you are a retard and they aren't. And even if one of them happened to be one, you could say the same about the chinks too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
>pisses on its corpse
Eaten its corpse you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669077
If you wouldn't suck Michi's giant futa cock, you are gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668950
One left and had the biggest viewed vtuber stream on YouTube and is still friendly with the company.
The other started shitting on Ironmouse and her boyfriend.
Yeah, that's the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668935
Pink cat hate on 4ch has been a thing for 13 years thats not surprise.
Vei tho kinda deserves all the shit she got vtuber console wars or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>77667852
so true sister, livers aren't obligated to sing/dance well, unlike idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669077

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>>77669041
she decided to graduate in march 2021, 6 months after the china spam started, as she realized that management had become hostile towards her and saw her as a risk to the brand. she then decided to whitewash what was happening because she feared fans would retaliate and hurt the hololive vtubers who were her friends and were innocent in the situation.

[Anonymous No.]

parrot put me in the video

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669041
nah it was definitely because of the chinks and hololibe failing to protect her and making her antis her chatmods and suspeding her for months and months with no reason then banning her from interacting with holo en
lets pull up another yab
mana aloe, hitomi chris, rushia

yea your shit aint clean at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669098
>Phase have more talent freedom than vshojokek
Fishman straight up yoinks his invaders IPs when they leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77666204
thanks vshojo anon, I will save this for future niji meltdowns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669077
sushi is cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669297
Rushia is her own problem, Holo didn't do anything wrong there

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669237

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669297
>mana aloe
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669077
defend what anon we love this shit…. we are proud coomers we love whores here we even love marine lol
we dont have the same mentally diseased autistic idol unicorn shit as holofags or nijitroons

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668386
>There was nothing wrong with the auditions.
You must be a sister because even Vshojo fags admit that the auditions were a dumpster fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665595
Don't jinx it

[Anonymous No.]

Another VShojo bait thread with over 100 posts.
VShojofags are so easy to bait...

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669400
go back to pleddit tourist

[Anonymous No.]

How's Kuro doing? I heard his mom was sick from the /#/ threads celebrating it

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669411
No, I'm not. I just don't think there was anything wrong with it. Feel free to start using actual arguments instead of resorting to ad hominem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668386
>There was nothing wrong with the auditions
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669374
not a rrat. holofriends conveniently forget that insiders leaked the graduation before it was announced and explained exactly why it was happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669402
Now hold on, VShojo isn't entirely coomers, just more tolerant of them. Also don't diss autists, that's mean to Haruka

[Anonymous No.]

>77669490
>say retarded shit
>everyone calls you a retard
>YES EPIC WIN YOU WERE BAITED

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669491
It's funny, you typed Hitomi Chris's name right, who is a literal nobody, but somehow fucked up Mano Aloe's name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669500
hes in the hospital confined
no joke I dunno for having dicks inserted on his ear or something
https://x.com/k9_kuro/status/1799164086628094452?s=46

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669500
He himself is also having health issues right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669500
why are numbermonkeys so mentally ill that they would celebrate something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668857
True, this is the only Vshojo think I can understand to beat them with nonstop. So fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669237
>>77669297
I get that hololive failed to protect her part. I meant I'm pretty sure I remember something about Coco saying something about graduating off hand in a random stream months before the chink situation happened or am I tripping?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669531
nobody actually watches streams here faggot im just here to fight people

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669531
No, they turned Henya into a complete whore and they need to die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669633
Based agent of chaos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669490
at sea hours? doubt

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669531
speak for yourself I discovered vtubers from Melody

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669500
His ear drum erupted, so he'll be in constant pain for three days and will have hearing problems for a month.
https://x.com/K9_KURO/status/1799164086628094452

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669575
>>77669695
Shit dude, I hope he recovers

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669557
says how desparate you are clinging so hard to a spelling mistake like this is twitter. L+Ratio hashtag pwned

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669612
i don't remember that but it was probably just a random joke. she didn't have any major issues with cover until management started fucking her over starting with the suspension. the first time she deliberately hinted that she was graduating was while playing ark on a kson stream in like april or may 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669758
It was a joke, anon. Why are you getting defensive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77665251
>Mint
Do you really believe they don't want her? Considering the great lenghts they smooch her return period plus her message of "better admire idols from afair instead of being one" I think it's a matter of time

>Doki
She's happy being in her own lane, I REALLY doubt she gonna end in any corpo considering how much backing she has without one

>Rosemi
Still in niji and I can see fishman go all for it in order to complete his tsunderia set of broken girls

>Scarle
Still in niji and to be honest I don't think her content or her mesh well with vshojo, maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669502
Alrgith, first off:
>Auditions
>Many indies apply
>Some brazilian faggots start sending out emails with a fake vshojo account and website
>many fell for it but 1 in particularly got doxxed
>Vshojo is silent while knowing about this
>Nuxtaku who is ''friends'' with them recieves one of these scam emails
>He starts looking and notices it's some bs
>Tells Vshojo who already know about it
>The civersecurity guy is useless as fuck and tells everyone to shut up about the ongoing scam
>Nux gets tricked and thinks he got one of the faggots in jail and thought he joined this secret discord ran by the scammers
>He makes a video about it because the cyber security guy is a spineless bitch and doesn't tell him no directly
>All of Vshojo throw him under the bus including the ''unity queen''
>Nux comes out with receipts and makes everyone look like a hypocrite and Vshojo incompetent
>Audidiots are opened but only Vshojo orbiters and long time friends can enter
>No indies with potential enter
>Snatches nijis
>No indie ith potential enters

In hindsight you're right, there is nothing wrong with the auditions because there are no fucking auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
It was a dig at Hololive for their adverts they had in Akihabara Station. They still have basically 0 presence in Japan. Probably only their nendos in second-hand shops are the only available merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669807
im not. im biting bait on purpose i want problems not solutions

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669933
They dropped the ball when Nazuna left, they could've gotten their name out there when the shitshow dropped with mafumafu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664623
Kson has done two solos, Mouse has done three, Henya sort of did one with her 3D Showcase and there was a company-wide concert last September

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669933
you posting this on the day they had meet and greets at animate in akihabara to cap off their merch collab with them is pretty funny
you people just endlessly post every day about what you think things might be like, without ever consuming a primary source of information

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669853
>mint
everyone wants her… even filian expessed interest recruiting her
>doki
same as mint but shes too strong atm to even consider joining a team
>sayu
opposite of doki too fucked up to be even considered for a team even PC dont want of a piece of that bitch
>rosemi
boring, no numbers, a fraud
>scarle
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669858
It's out of their control if somebody impersonates them and certain applicants fell for it but not many did like you claimed + vshojo helped the victims out even though it wasn't their fault.
Also Haruka joined through the auditions so you're wrong on that too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664938
>vshojo is even worse than nijishit
>idol > phase
You can't fool me Phasefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669500
>I heard his mom was sick from the /#/ threads celebrating it
Fucking /#/ lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669858
nux in fact destroyed all the investigation going on by being a retard. So gold star to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77669858
>Vshojo is silent while knowing about this
vshojo shut down the phishing domain as soon as they found out about it*
>The civersecurity guy is useless as fuck and tells everyone to shut up about the ongoing scam
there was a police investigation because they believed it was connected to a swatting incident and they didn't want to tip the suspect off while the cops gathered info*
>All of Vshojo throw him under the bus including the ''unity queen''
rightfully so, he just help the guy who swatted his supposed friend nyan get away because he wanted to look like epic hacker man
>Nux comes out with receipts and makes everyone look like a hypocrite and Vshojo incompetent
makes himself look retarded because they clearly asked him to not publish his dumb video but they had no legal authority to stop him so he took that as an ok*
>Audidiots are opened but only Vshojo orbiters and long time friends can enter
this is just a lie. a few vshojo friends made up some of the finalists though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670202
/#/ is living proof that the third world is not ready for the technologies we developed

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670180
idol has her and completely mogs phase yes even clara
https://youtu.be/ps0dCY1l_Xs?si=3ColpX-Z_T368BCu

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670107
Anon, you don't udnerstand, when a sister asks you about a concert they mean ''when a company scams you and sells you a glorified karaoke as a concert''.
Which I think Vshojo has 0, so yeah,...

[Anonymous No.]

I hope Hololive is next

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670360
As long as Hololive doesn't crash and burn they don't have anything to fear from Vshojo. And it doesn't seem like that will happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670326
if you expect any other vtuber agency has the money (or in nijisanji’s case care about its talent) to throw hololive tier concerts then you will never find it because other corpos (besides niji en theyre trying to do male idol shit now) dont focus on idol autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670461
But it should, it's deserved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670262
They're easily the best thread on the board if only for how batshit they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670481
it isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670461
honestly I dont think vshojo has any affect on hololive
they share entirely different audiences, tastes, goals and platforms. Niji EN is getting hurt from vshojo’s success tho because they are blatantly poaching talents off Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670571
Cope, Holofags are practically asking for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670481
nice try nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670504
a thread of actual terry-style schizos would be funny but that thread is just full of 80 iq teenagers from shithole countries

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670611
Holofags antagonize every other Vtuber and their fans outside of Cover and you think I'm a Nijitard for disliking them? LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

reminder this bait thread is made by sisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>77668590
Talent freedom is not having to ask dad--I mean, management permission to do even the smallest thing.
It's telling your management when you're high off meds "I want a pen that thuds instead of clicks" and they actually look into whether or not it's possible (it's not).
It's owning your character IP and not being held hostage by a predatory contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670585
only Mika was possibly poached. the other 2 were already on their way out without plans to join vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670718
Who has a predatory contract?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670668
I hate tribalniggers too, but they have nothing to do with Hololive's management or the way it operates. They're just a noisy minority. That's like saying Vshojo deserves to crash and burn just because they have a few annoying fans.

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>>77670360
>>77670481
Hololive has basically achieved Trump status where their fans are so attached to the brand nothing they actually do matters. They would need major controversy after major controversy to actually be affected anywhere close to what's happening to NijiEN right now. They basically had their own Selen situation a couple years ago and everyone sided against the Selen because the brand has that much goodwill for them.

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>>77670747
>already on their way out without plans to join vshojo.
That is Mika.

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>>77670668
you can easily distinguish the creator of a bait thread based on the focus of the bait
Numbers and unicornshit = holofag (numbers thread is basically another holo general)
Polshit and pretending phase is relevant = Phasefag
Gloating about recruiting another member or “shes vshojo now” posts = vshojofags
sjw gay shit or “dookibird” = nijisisters
sayu = sayuschizos
anything mike = mikecucks

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>>77670718
selen, wactor, early phase connect

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>>77670939
There's also people who actually come here for the drama and don't even watch vtubers.

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>>77671008
he already mentioned phasefags

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>>77670865
There was nothing like Selen in Hololive.
Coco's situation wasn't great but she got her graduation and Rushia was 100% the problem.

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>>77671039
Case in point. It doesn't even matter what fanbase you put there. Someone will come and take the bait, and that's what dramafags want.

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>>77671008
true but even those fucks pick a team like faggots pretending to be “pc master race” but cant even buy jack shit and is phone posting

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>>77671150
Literally every entertainment medium has 'drama' driving discourse. Music, film, sports, etc., why do you think vtubing is different?

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>>77671112
the selen yab was unprecidented they went from a beloved company that was going toe to toe with holo en to a dumpster fire that cant even do phase numbers

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>>77671201
It's best if you don't take anything seriously from the catalog. It kinda sucks that fun shitposting turns into shit flinging.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to fuck Zen

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>>77671223
Vtubing, or at least /vt/ specifically (which is the largest discussion forum for vtubing), has an unhealthy number of dramafags driving discourse, spinning narratives and engaging in pointless tribal wars compared to those other media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77670939
Anyone who has browsed this awful board long enough can easily falseflag as any of these categories.

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>>77670766
Any contract that says "we own everything you do, and when you leave you can never talk about having done it" is predatory.

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>>77671357
That's because everyone else this is looked down on, except the niji situation. We should be thankful that it's at least somewhat contained here, and doesn't flood into the streams.

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>>77670939
>Gloating about recruiting another member or “shes vshojo now” posts = vshojofags
More likely falseflaggers, either Niji or Phase (I genuinely do not know why Phasefags hate VShojo so much)

The majority of VSJfags on this board stay in their thread 'cause there's literally nothing but bait and anti threads outside of it.

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>>77671417
You think nobody know who kson was, or the multitude of vtubers that left corpos? Do you think a vtuber that goes into audition for another company can't say they used to work somewhere else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671340
>you know that's a tranny ri-
I do not care.

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>>77671357
The root cause being the medium being overwhemlingly filled with children (or the mental equivalent of children), terminally online NEETs whose lives revolve around the cult of personality and living vicariously through vtubers, and is fundamentally built to revolve around individuals instead of their work.

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>>77671393
sure the smart ones can but you easily overestimate the intelligence of this board especially during certain hours and during discord raids. It dosent hurt that containment breakers like doxxagj, bvtm and parrot attract all the drama tourists here daily

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>>77671112
When you boil it down to the basics, Rushia got fired for leaking alleged bullying by management to some guy. Selen got fired for being insubordinate to alleged bully managers. The two situations really aren't that different aside from the fan reactions. Hololive fans believe their company is good, some even value it higher than the individual talents, therefore Rushia was a crazy lying bitch. Nijisanji fans were ambivalent to the company, for many they support the talents in spite of the company, therefore they trusted the talent over the company in the end. Hololive fans were in that same place in late 2020 but Cover turned that opinion around since then, ironically in large part due to Coco's graduation.

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>>77671509
I would say it's sometimes vshojofags who /in/ post but not always.
Usually you can tell the difference in the tone.

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>>77671523
>You think nobody know who kson was
So WE know who she was, but so what? She still isn't allowed to take credit for the work she did.
>Do you think a vtuber that goes into audition for another company can't say they used to work somewhere else?
Honestly yes. If there is an NDA blocking her from taking public credit, why would they allow her to leverage that credit for future opportunities (possibly with a competitor)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671509
dont try to wash your hands clean from this vsjkek some of those OP bait threads have too much information that only a twitch watching faggot or someone who watches henya or mouse would know
you are also the only group of faggots that used “hours watched” as a metric instead of ccv to gloat about mouse

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>>77671587
This is how I would play with Zen's girlballs

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>>77669108
No holomem ever tweeted "as someone with a brother who is a chinese man, what coco did was unforgiveable. I'm now making a totally real charity for the poor poor chinese men who are hurted by Coco" touristman.
Coco was harrassed by random chinese, Silvervale was harrased by other vtuber within the company.

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>>77669077
Sushi is so fucking cute it's crazy.

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>>77671741
>some of those OP bait threads have too much information
Like what?
98% of them are just clickbait thumbnails from one of Mouse's shitty clippers

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671770
(me)
P/s: and said harasser is still within the company. After getting dumbed by a holostar of all thing

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>>77671770
actually coco was harassed by her managers who literally ruined her channel by getting thousands of fans banned, and silver was "harassed" by random twittoids on twitter who tweeted they were disappointed in her without even saying her name so she couldn't find it by egosearching.

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>>77671770
>Coco was harrassed by random chinese
*by fubuki and aqua's bilibili moderators
>Silvervale was harrased by other vtuber within the company
do catalogfags really believe this

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>>77670718
>It's owning your character IP and not being held hostage by a predatory contract.
It's not predatory to hand a former 2 view a channel with thousands of subs before they even debut, backed by a massive brand and a built in captive audience and expect them to accept less freedoms than if they someone defied the odds and built a career of the same size themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671509
This, making threads outside of vsj+ is just an invitation for antis and doxfags, anyone who does so is either stupid or malicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671770
>Silvervale was harrased by other vtuber within the company
No, she wasn't.

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>>77671728
>Honestly yes. If there is an NDA blocking her from taking public credit, why would they allow her to leverage that credit for future opportunities (possibly with a competitor)?
There is literally no reason to assume that VShojo would even consider hiring Nazuna except for the fact that they knew about her streaming history. You don't try to enter a new market with an unproven talent.
Do you really think these girls aren't allowed to say who they used to be when they join new corpos? There is a reason why Nijisanji didn't even look at Mikeneko's application video when she submitted one.

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>>77671916
sure what's your spin on the mermaid thing then? I have heard of many

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>>77671665
VShojofan /in/ posting is usually excited or very silly and ironic. Whenever it's gloating or mocking usually it's a shit stirrer trying to blend in

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>>77671887
>>77671898
nta but source?

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>>77671887
>and silver was "harassed" by random twittoids on twitter who tweeted they were disappointed in her without even saying her name so she couldn't find it by egosearching.
Weren't those trannies trying/succeeding in doxxing her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671887
you know those some former managers were from chinese investors and bilibili connected employees and are now working for nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671943
she wanted to donate to a youth trans charity after the brutal murder of a trans youth in the country she lives in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Brianna_Ghey
>>77671975
i have not seen any evidence of any doxing. i have only seen a bunch of tweets like "disappointed in the sakura wolf" and shit like that by random alphabet people who used to like her.

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>>77671911
>bad terms in a contract aren't bad because you'll be successful
That's not how that works.

>>77671943
Froot was gonna donate her own money to a trans charity, this happening just a couple days after the headlining murder of a transgirl in the UK (where Froot lives)
People sperged and told her that charity was bad (also antis botted the tweet to make her lose tons of money on it)
So she decided not to do it

It's that simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671968
https://x.com/hololivetv/status/1357648899494715396

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671937
isnt mike with notWACTOR now

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>>77672044
>i have only seen a bunch of tweets like "disappointed in the sakura wolf" and shit like that by random alphabet people who used to like her.
They definitely went a lot further than that, There's no need to cover for a bunch of aggressive trannies

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672044
something happened a week prior, with 0 mention of it. How convenient. Totally has nothing to do with the hogwarts campaign happening at the same time.
Well I guess this one is a new spin at least so congrats for that

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>>77672065
>bad terms in a contract aren't bad because you'll be successful
They literally arent bad if you're compensated sufficiently for them. Anyone who doesnt like them is free to just be an indie, get to own their IP and keep all their revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672133
She is, yes. She hasn't been streaming much on that account
I think she's back in her "pandering to westerners" phase, so streaming on that account wouldn't do much since most westerners are either in denial that it's her or just are not aware. notWACTOR are definitely retarded for taking her in, especially when she's already half-assing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77671952
when you guys got matara and that niji ID chick Im pretty that was vsjfags gloating at the sisters also when mint returned with matara

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>>77670261
>vshojo shut down the phishing domain as soon as they found out about it*
Cool... they still stayed silent tho? i don't know where are you going with this
>there was a police investigation because they believed it was connected to a swatting incident and they didn't want to tip the suspect off while the cops gathered info*
This is the most retarded point, not by you but by the officers themselves and teh cyber security guy.... Brazil, or any 3rd world south american country's cyber laws are a fucking joke, like no seriously, why do you think some 3rd worlder roams /ehe/ and /sp/ posting literal pizza and facing no consequences? VPN? that's a fucking joke, it's because they can't do shit about them nor the phishing scam those brazilians underage faggots were running, the best they could do, if they had that minimun of information about 3rd world lack of cyberlaws, is tell people about the ongoing scam, but they didn't.... I don't know if they are retarded or thing they will catch them once they step on american soil.
>rightfully so, he just help the guy who swatted his supposed friend nyan get away because he wanted to look like epic hacker man
As much as I enjoy jewxtaku getting fucked in the ass, he was the only one who did the right thing: telling people about the fucking scam and got stoned for it, based desu but damn.
>makes himself look retarded because they clearly asked him to not publish his dumb video but they had no legal authority to stop him so he took that as an ok*
The wonderful thing is that it made EVERYONE INVOLVED look retarded, Vshojo, Nux, the cyber security cuck, the authorities and brazilians.
>this is just a lie. a few vshojo friends made up some of the finalists though.
Anon this is pure copium and you know it, but it's ok, I rather they build a reputation with established names to get more fame and then get the 2view indies with talent.

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>>77668202
>Vshojo trying to claim they did it

Since when does 4chan speak for vshojo? The brainrot is real.

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>>77672065
You know how some jobs are more dangerous than others, and people get paid more to compensate for that. Yet people still do those jobs, it's like that.

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>>77672138
i'm just saying what i've seen. the only thing 'further" i witnessed was a handful of people also saying they were disappointed in her twitch chat (where they were promptly banned)
>>77672144
i don't know if they have television in your country but usually things are still in the news after they happen, as the case develops and people learn new things. froot's charity tweet coincided with catching the killers and the reporting that it was a random hate crime.

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>>77671661
>Hololive fans believe their company is good, some even value it higher than the individual talents,
The company is good, not perfect, but good.
You must have turned a blind eye from all the ''management hate!!'' pósts from Holofags then if you really believe we value the company more than the oshi.... jnice try sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672211
its a calculated risk like what vshojo did
they got her for the infamy and the off chance that she would blow up again
unfortunately she didnt and she stopped giving a shit

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>>77672094
Where did you get the thousands of fans number though? I know that Hololive has a lot of flaws, but I don't know what to make of this information other than Coco's moderators are either ccp supporters or retarded.

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>>77672383
There is a massive difference between voicing mild grievances with management and having a fundamental lack of trust in them.

Also in my head I had 99 to 1 odds that my neutral post would make a Holofag seethe first over a Nijifag. Congrats, you won.

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>>77672193
>>77672277
Give me a reason why a company shouldn't allow, for example, a talent to buy the IP to their character after X amount of time or upon graduation.

The company's not gonna use it anymore, so what's the point in keeping it?
And what purpose is there in preventing your former talents from accurately claiming their work under you?
The only reason this policy exists is to pressure talents to stay with the company so that they don't have to start over.

We've seen with Mint how badly this can go from a mental standpoint. She STILL doesn't fully believe that she's worth anything without her company.

Policies like that are not good, and it doesn't matter how successful you become, they still won't be good and every talent could only benefit from seeing those policies changed.

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>>77672507
>Coco's moderators
she was not allowed to have those
it was a manager at cover who modded a chink owned account, which banned a bunch of her members

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>>77672065
She tweeted saying she would donate to a different one instead and then did nothing else about it.

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>>77672473
>unfortunately she didnt and she stopped giving a shit
That's not the reason she gave up on the WACTOR shit. Admittedly I'm not watching her, but it's pretty obvious when looking from the outside
As usual, she had a massive fight with her fans in early May about how she was "limited by those Unicorns", despite nearly all of her Unicorns being gone. What she meant was that she had been reading too many catalog threads shitting on her and wanted to spite them.
A few days before that argument broke out, she made a Tweet on her WACTOR account about wanting to be friends with both male and female streamers. This was also around the time she was frequently streaming on her WACTOR account and had basically stopped streaming on Nazuna
I think the logic is pretty obvious. She wanted to play with men, so she was putting her time into an account that would "allow" her to. Eventually, that resentment broke out onto her Mikeneko account. Once that fight ended, she began to switch back into kaigai pandering mode, which meant she stopped streaming on her WACTOR account and put more focus on Mikeneko and Nazuna

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>>77669853
I never said that Vshojo had a good chance of getting them, it’s just those 4(and maybe a few others) are who i’d consider to be at the top of the Niji hierarchy right now. Anyone else within Niji is either kinda mid as a streamer, surrounded in drama, or both.

[Anonymous No.]

What's your favorite mascot? Personally I really like momos.

[Anonymous No.]

>All this Coco talk
Can you actually imagine what her numbers would be like if she was still in Hololive and never changed? Even Pekora would be kneeling.

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>>77672658
So basically it was just a ccp supporter from inside fucking her over.

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>>77672938
Hard reality check anon, but look at her solo numbers as coco, they were the grimmest of the grims even after she became the n1 SC earner in youtube

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>>77673003
Last time I checked Coco's youtube channel still mogged her gen in subscribers and that's years after she left.

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>>77672916
Eat momos. Sauté momos. Turn a momo into a small entree. Slam dunk a momo into some barbeque sauce. Turn momos into buttered croissants. Use momos to make mousse. Teach momos the meaning of sous-vide. Flambé momos. Enjoy momos with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. Stir-fry momos in a wok. Have a healthy momo salad. Toss momos into fondue. Cook momos over an outdoor fire pit. Report momos to Gordon Ramsey. Stuff momos inside a turkey. Bake momos into meatloaf. Coat momos in breadcrumbs. Accidentally overcook momos, but eat them anyway. Create momo surf-and-turf. Season momos with Old Bay. Flatten momos into pie crusts. Liquefy momos into a smoothie. Make momo s’mores. Create food art with momos. Cook momos on a propane grill. Mix momos into authentic guacamole. Bake momos in an oven. Mandatory fattening for momos. Grind momos in a mortar and pestle and sprinkle them over pasta. Deep fry momos in fried chicken grease. Pulverize momos with a meat tenderizer. Fatten up momos with lard. Serve momos with skewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673065
Subscribers don't necessarily translate into CCV. Look at the older Holos who have a bunch of dead subs

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>>77672569
>Give me a reason why a company shouldn't allow, for example, a talent to buy the IP to their character after X amount of time or upon graduation.
Branding issues. Imagine how much reputational damage Hololive would have suffered if Mikeneko had been having all of her meltdowns and had been pulling all of her menhera bullshit with Rushia's identity after they fired her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673115
Mata stop shitposting and go stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673124
>Muh CCV
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672507
some of the ones who banned everyone later bragged about it on a chinese website. it is impossible for anyone to prove that though despite the posts being up because it's literally on like page 6000 of a 10000 page forum thread, it would take days to find it.

in addition to that she spent the entire rest of her career unbanning people here and there. if you check out coco stream tweets in many of them you can see a reply by someone asking to be unbanned and giving their account id. and then after she graduated her fans who still had mod status spent 3 months continuing to unban people upon request. there was a fan discord where they operated, you could theoretically join and read those old convos. because youtube is a shitty website they couldn't just unban you, you would have to go through stream archives and find a timestamp of when you sent a message and then give it to a moderator. was a whole convoluted process.

so in short, the number of banned people was quite high.

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/19aEOLEZGflw

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673248
Total subscribers is more important to investors whereas CCV is a far better indicator as to how many people are actually still interested in said streamer. Spoiler alert: I'm not an investor
As that other anon said, Coco wasn't even known for having a particularly high CCV even during her Hololive days. I'd be a bit curious to see what it would be like had she not left, but a lot of the EOPs who used to watch JP Holos basically left once the EN branch debuted, so the environment nowadays is a lot different from how it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673209
Is there even any evidence to suggest it would affect Hololive's reputation if something like that were to occur? Nazuna's drama that happened after she quit didn't affect Vshojo at all. Don't see why it would be different for Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673321
Wish the vshojo fans would take her advice sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672967
not necessarily, could just be your standard elderly japanese businessman who hates fun

[Anonymous No.]

so how do you vsjfags know so much about the coco situation are you faggots that just keep biting bait former holococofags that migrated? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673375
>Nazuna's drama
Nazuna's name wasn't mentioned at all in relation to that drama. It might be hard to understand from a western point of view, but Mafu is far bigger over in Japan than Mike ever was and ever will be. In relation to that drama, back in February 22 and then again in January 24 when the marriage was confirmed, it was Mikeneko who was being name dropped, not Rushia or Nazuna. Nazuna has never received much harrassment from Mafu's fans because most of them are simply not away that they're one and the same. This also include most of her JP antis, a lot of whom don't even watch Vtubers
By Mikeneko's drama, I wans't even referring to that. I mean the constant meltdowns, seething, throwing shade at Hololive girls, etc. Stuff that Cover could have wrangled had she still been with them, but obviously they can't do anything about her retardation

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672569
vsjfag you gotta look at it from a corpo perspective and not on a talent perspective

If every random bitch that can pass auditions on holo decides to quit after one year and take their ip then whats the reason to stay with the company then especially if you dont care about concerts or 3d and just want numbers from holo infamy and branding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673740
i watched her and now i watch kson

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
I apologize for everything bad I've said about Vshojo, except the shit about Ironlung.

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>>77672569
NTA but:
>Give me a reason why a company shouldn't allow, for example, a talent to buy the IP to their character after X amount of time or upon graduation.
To not become a pump and dump, Hololive is really a big spotlight and the ability to buy out your IP would quintuple the amount of grifters trying to join to later become indies and laugh about how they ''broke the system''. Remember there was a company full of grifters who were given their IP and a pc in another company and they all left with everything.
>The company's not gonna use it anymore, so what's the point in keeping it?
To not fully rape the memories, it is known that in Hololive many girls act as the version of themselves they want to present to viewers and when out of the company they do a turn around nobody would expect such as
>Kson fleshstreaming and talking to porn actresses
>Mike being the worst menhera in the history of vtubing
You can say these are vague points, but hey, the ccv speaks for itself, many people left them, I can say to coco ''I miss this bitch'' but I'm sure as hell don't miss Kson
>And what purpose is there in preventing your former talents from accurately claiming their work under you?
Elaborate please
>The only reason this policy exists is to pressure talents to stay with the company so that they don't have to start over.
Start over with a huge capital, your fans knowing who you are thanks to this place, twitter and dramafags not scared anymore to divulge such info? they can also commision a doppelganger version of their own models and call their fanbase by the name they use to have like Rushia and doki respectively.
>We've seen with Mint how badly this can go from a mental standpoint. She STILL doesn't fully believe that she's worth anything without her company.
I think most of your points fail flat because you're apparently comparing Hololive to Nijisanji, whilst the latter was constantly numberfagging for their talents and telling them they were jackshit while Elira hogged all the sponsorships WHILE ALSO being almost unable to talk to the JP side, Hololive even in grim era could talk to their oshis if they wanted to and Hololive never told them to kill themselves if they took really long hiatuses.
>Policies like that are not good, and it doesn't matter how successful you become, they still won't be good and every talent could only benefit from seeing those policies changed.
But not the company, this is not me defending the company but you gotta udnerstand that the company is here to make money and again, not become the biggest pump and dump in vtubing like current nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
*leeches off of NijiEN which committed suicide*
fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>77674011
>a turn around nobody would expect such as Kson fleshstreaming
how is that not expected
she literally always did that and never stopped

[Anonymous No.]

>>77674011
>call their fanbase by the name they use to have like Rushia
Most of what you're saying is solid, but Mike doesn't call her fans "Fandead" anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77664505
rent free
how you enjoying Kson btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>77672938
actual tasunoko here. besides collabs, asacoco, meme reviews and hair removal streams she always have had shit numbers even her solo ark streams that she did right after asacoco was bad. it was her japanese oilers that carried her even until now that constantly sends her gundams and expensive shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673892
I think that at least some japanese are aware of it, considering how many people unfollow Nazuna. But it was just an example, if any of the ex-niji's would get into drama now outside of Vshojo do you really believe it would impact vshojo's reputation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673065
subs yes but even during that time besides asacoco and reddit shit her ccv was mogged by watame and kanatan

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673254
>because youtube is a shitty website they couldn't just unban you, you would have to go through stream archives and find a timestamp of when you sent a message and then give it to a moderator
Being banned would delete comments and timestamps for the banned user in the archives and prevent any unbanning since the user would no longer show up in the archived livechat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77674212
I meant ex-vshojo oops
I guess the catalog brainrot is getting to me, maybe I should stop here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673454
Why would we care about numbers when our streamers don't even stream sometimes during collabs (only appearing in VC), and sometimes they will even do that with non-vshojo vtubers who are usually 3views. (which is a bit annoying because you never know where they will secretely appear)
Check /#/ and see how many times vshojo and twitch are mentioned compared to other corpos and youtube. (Ennacuck's posts don't count)

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673375
nazuna didnt really interact with vshojo anon even with kson it was quite rare she was only there during the candy pop concert. even at cons and meet and greets she would rarely participate with vshojo or collab with anyone not even henya. most of the time too nazuna was on hiatus

mike was always more associated and recognized as the former holo that got termed

[Anonymous No.]

>>77674212
>ex-niji's
Niji EN's reputation is already in the gutter. They can't afford doing anything that makes it even easier for people to just leave. If any of the former Niji girls got into drama now (the ones who joined Vshojo), it would impact VShojo, yes. I don't think that's even a controversial opinion to have. Vtubing companies have their Vtubers as their public face, so their actions do cause issues for the company. This is common sense
>I think that at least some japanese are aware of it, considering how many people unfollow Nazuna.
Yes, Vtubing fans are going to be more aware of Vtubing drama than non-Vtuber fans. That still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the actual drama and flaming is hitting her Mikeneko persona far more than any of her other incarnations. Even then, a lot of the shitposts end up just praising Hololive and Cover for being able to manage such a volatile terrible person for so long. She's so uniquely terrible that she actually makes Cover look better. No guarantee that would have been the case had Rushia been doing all of the shitty things she got up to (and again, I'm not just talking about the Mafu drama, the bitch gets into a massive fight with her fans every few months for no reason)

[Anonymous No.]

>>77673740
>why do kson fans know so much about her PL?

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>>77674290
moderators can see those comments from banned users

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>>77674421
vei got in trouble for calling people retards and nobody blamed that on vshojo. geriatric businessmen definitely think it will hurt their brand but reality proves otherwise.

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>>77674548
/#/fags genuinely believe that her fanbase got replaced because they cannot even entertain the thought of being loyal to the streamer instead of the company

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>>77673209
>Imagine how much reputational damage Hololive would have suffered if
Speculative, there's no demonstration of this being a reasonably assumed risk.

>>77673904
>whats the reason to stay with the company then
The same reason anyone stays in VShojo? They like it there?
Make a good environment for your talents and they'll stay. You don't need to hold their IP/work hostage.

>>77674011
>Elaborate please
Kiryu Coco is Kson's "oshi."
Mint Fantome was in "heaven."
Matara Kan was in "Hollywood."

>your fans knowing who you are thanks to this place
A portion of your fans*

>you're apparently comparing Hololive to Nijisanji
They have this policy in common. I'm not claiming they do it the same way, but rather I'm discussing the matter on an industry-wide level, not just with specific companies.
Policies like this can and have been used to detrimental effect. It's better that the possibility not even exist.

>the company is here to make money
Bogarting IPs they formally retire when the talent leaves does not get them more money.

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>>77674725
>Speculative, there's no demonstration of this being a reasonably assumed risk.
Being worried that a brand you had developed or had cultivated for years would deteriorate once it left your company, which would cause damage due to the perceived relationship, is 100% a consideration for any business. We know due to Kore2 that Mike had been whining about how she hated Cover's control of Rushia's branding
Or do you think the woman who has kept VSHOJO卒業 in her Nazuna profile wouldn't be trying to leech from Hololive as much as possible? She even made a Rushia joke in her most recent stream announcement.

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>>77674160
never watched her as coco but nkw
I enjoy her coomerbait shit and her hilarious interactions with henya and melody. shook her hand last year in person. Cool gal she just cant sing for shit quite unexpected from a former holo
I don’t watch her youtube streams because I dont speak japanese

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>>77674670
to be fair everyone in /vsj+/ and vshojo fandom in general loved it when vei called people retards lol we are pretty very anti censorship anon

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>>77674919
So what? Nazuna has nothing to do with VShojo anymore. She can game Twitter search all she wants, she's not associated with VShojo and nobody ties her current activities to VShojo.

Same for Vei, Silver and Nyan. They're all still using the same branding, models, and stream assets they had used as VShojo talents. But nobody links anything they do to VShojo, good or bad.

We even have a Japanese example, Suou Patra. Nobody is linking her to 774 anymore, are they?
Sure, Hololive or any other company can SAY it's a concern, but more and more we're getting examples proving the opposite.

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>>77674581
That's only if the banning was reversed within a 2 to 3 day window. Beyond that all comments made bay the banned user would he completely scrubbed from the channel's comments sectionand livechat. Specific people that were known to the mods due to regular activities got special treatment an were unbanned but majority of banned Tatsunoko that stayed banned and just opted to become members again using alts.

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>>77674725
I'm >>77674011
You mean not able to mention you worked under another company?? that's barely anything anon.... and even if they can't say it everybody knows and will know it.
>A portion of your fans*
No anon, your fans will follow you and tourists might leave, but in the process you get new ones and that ''''portion'' is easiyu higher than 80%
>They have this policy in common. I'm not claiming they do it the same way, but rather I'm discussing the matter on an industry-wide level, not just with specific companies.
Policies like this can and have been used to detrimental effect. It's better that the possibility not even exist.
Which imo falls flat because, agian, Hololive is not telling their talents to kill themselves and now everybody knows the talents themselves can debut, let's say Gura 2.0 as an indie and face 0 legal consequences while also keeping their fanbase name.
>Bogarting IPs they formally retire when the talent leaves does not get them more money.
Again, the IP ownership thing is to not become a pump and dump and is clearly justified in their minds since Magni existed.

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>>77675238
>she's not associated with VShojo and nobody ties her current activities to VShojo.
Literally every bait thread, people post asking about whether or not she's still with VShojo or how she has Nazuna. Literally the only reason people give a shit about her is that she was the former Uruha Rushia. 80% of her existing fanbase are still ex-Fandead. But even then, people didn't tend to even associate Nazuna's activities with VShojo when she was there, so that's a moot point. All she'll ever be in the public's eyes is Uruha Rushia
It's the difference in a company that's actually well regarded on this board versus one that isn't. You'd know this if you weren't playing deliberately dishonest.

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>>77675283
it's true that most just made new accounts but there were people in her general talking about getting unbanned so it at least used to not work as you are describing.

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>>77675421
I was literally there and in the discord with Bill and the other mods, it happened as I described. If you don't know who Bill then you obviously weren't in the discord and don't know the full shitshow the banning situation was.

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>>77675359
>your fans will follow you and tourists might leave, but in the process you get new ones and that ''''portion'' is easiyu higher than 80%
Among these "tourists" will be many casual fans who are not as plugged-into the scene and will completely miss their favorite streamer coming back. It's happened before, don't act like it hasn't.
Also unless you have some data to back that up, 80% is ripped straight from your ass.

>Which imo falls flat because, agian, Hololive is not telling their talents to kill themselves
If it wasn't clear enough the first time, I am not saying Hololive does this, or ever would.
I am saying that the potential for abuse is there, and there is no reason to keep that potential around. This is a conversation about the policy on an industry-wide scale, not just about one or two companies.

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>>77675544
i don't use discord i only know what people relayed to the general about it

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>>77675403
The only one who is dishonest here is you because you deliberately ignore every other example and make arguments without having any evidence to back them up.

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>>77667916
What do you think gets engagement?

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>>77675577
>This is a conversation about the policy on an industry-wide scale, not just about one or two companies
You're not going to get large companies to change their policies unless you can explain to them the merits of doing so. A bleeding heart mentality isn't going to accomplish anything
Until the VTuber industry evolves to the point that joining a company simply isn't worth the gamble, the existing companies will continue to operate as they have. Newer companies have the option to go a different route, but there have been cases of smaller companies failing because their streamers simply walked away with the IP/model as soon as it was convenient

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>>77675671
>you deliberately ignore every other example and make arguments
I've never seen such projection in a post. It's clear you're not here for a "conversation", but simply to push your own "ideals"

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>>77670107
And not a single second of this was memorable

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>>77675592
Yes, and I'm telling you as someone that has 1st hand knowledge what actually happened. The amount of paid members that were banned numbered if the several hundreds and after a period there was no way to unban them, not because the mods actually couldn't but because they didn't want to risk unbanning anti accounts and make an even bigger mess.

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>>77675765
>unless you can explain to them the merits of doing so
Terms favoring the talent = happier talent = more motivation = more activity/content = more money

>Until the VTuber industry evolves to the point that joining a company simply isn't worth the gamble
The EN scene is already getting there. Most indies who manage to grow to a certain point wouldn't even think about joining a company, having to abandon what they've done so far and start over with a new identity.
More companies are adopting looser IP policies and opening up to bringing on talent as-is.

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>>77675815
Post the evidence then. You can't because you just pulled it out of your ass. You don't get to call the other anon disingenuous if you argue like that.

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>>77674725
>The same reason anyone stays in VShojo?
Vshoujo is not comparable to Niji/Holo/other big corpos. They are not letting in literal 2 views and making them famous overnight; the gain the average Holo talent gains from joining Hololive is many times bigger than the average Vshoujo gets. You already need to have made it to join Vshoujo

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>>77675854
i can remember many things from them compared to almost nothing from any hololive concerts. they have had so many that they all blend together and don't really feel special anymore.
>>77675969
hololive doesn't let anyone in anymore so kind of a moot point.

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>>77675577
> This is a conversation about the policy on an industry-wide scale, not just about one or two companies.
Ok so this narrows the point to a single answer: ''If you are retarded or rich enough to peg elon musk every night then let Vtubers own all of their shit''
That's it, comapny wide is pretty fucking stupid to any start up to dump a bunch of money into girls you are not 100% sure are gonna stay, is like giving a small business to a girl hoping he will stay with you after talking for 3 months and then she dumps you while keeping it, it's the most retarded thing anyone could do.

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>>77675854
You say this without having seen a single second. Seethe more.

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>>77675951
>Terms favoring the talent = happier talent = more motivation = more activity/content = more money
Completely pulled out of your ass. Unless you want to try to make the argument that, say, Hololive girls are less happy, motivated and producing less content than Vshojo girls, etc.
>The EN scene is already getting there.
That's because EN streaming culture is fundamentally different from JP streaming culture. The Japanese side isn't going to change easily as long as corporate Vtubers continue to get far more attention and opporunities than indies. And even then, as long as most people will kill to join HoloEN, you're not going to get to see the changes that you'd desperately hoping for

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>>77676050
If it was memorable people would have talked about this, they didn't.

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>>77675952
If you're going to pretend that you aren't in all of the bait threads seeing those posts, I'll just call you a retarded lying ideologue.

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>>77676151
people talk about it a lot, just not in the threads you read.

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>>77675969
Matara and Michi have about 3x what they had in Niji and have become some of the biggest vtubers on Twitch as a result. Similar story for Henya.
So it's sort of both. You have to already be a known quantity to join, and you get a huge CCV boost. Not as much as Holo but close to it. Interestingly enough the Twitch indies have no gained as much, compared to the former JP corpo chuubas, which is probably why Vshojo keeps hiring them.

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>>77672569
even a slave could buy their freedom back during the roman days.

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>>77676039
>hololive doesn't let anyone in anymore so kind of a moot point.
Requirements have definitely gotten stricter, but basically every recent holo was still a nobody compared to basically any Vshoujo who joined

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>>77676284
i mean they just said at a shareholder meeting they aren't hiring anymore.

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>>77676224
>Not as much as Holo but close to it.
Off the top of my head, several of HoloX were 2views before joining. It's genuinely not even in the same ballpark when it comes to how much joining Hololive increases your viewership.

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>>77676312
For now, anon, or do you think they will not hire any talent ever?

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>>77676224
Geega pretty much doubled her viewership after joining.

>>77676329
Like Froot then who Vshojo also turned from a 2view into a 4view.

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>>77675969
>They are not letting in literal 2 views and making them famous overnight
I mean Hololive doesn't really do this that much anymore.
Also the revenue they get upon debut almost assuredly outweighs the costs associated with preparing those debuts.

>>77676140
>Unless you want to try to make the argument that, say, Hololive girls are less happy, motivated and producing less content than Vshojo girls
I really shouldn't have to cite the many times a Hololive talent has had friction with management.
Or the numerous talents there who... aren't really there most of the time.

I won't deign to speak for them or act like I know what's in their heads. But would a little extra freedom do any harm?

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>>77676284
and how is that good or bad? that's like saying, any kpop star was a nobody before joining x y z label. they were made from nothing given boosted popularity. you're basically glorifying people who didn't deserve their spotlight and are just a byproduct of a company.

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>>77676039
So you're saying being amazing is the norm for hololive, while vshojo makes good stuff once every 2 years.

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>>77676402
>I really shouldn't have to cite the many times a Hololive talent has had friction with management.
That's how you get things done everywhere and they are learning they hold more power
>Or the numerous talents there who... aren't really there most of the time.
Gura is gura and everytime she talks about Hololive she's rpetty happy, already planning which outfit she wants for next year.
Amelia.... she shamefully is victim of the spic family mindset: you earn more??? THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR A LUXURIOUS LIFE FOR US EVEN IF IT COSTS YOU EVERY PENNY and is demotivated as fuck
Shion: I really don't wanna get banned so I suggest you look for yourself and try not to feel a knot in your throat
>I won't deign to speak for them or act like I know what's in their heads. But would a little extra freedom do any harm?
As in?

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>>77676402
>I won't deign to speak for them or act like I know what's in their heads.
This is such a dishonest reply, all of it, because it's trying to imply that owning their IPs would suddenly motivate them or change their streaming habits
The only reasons those girls can even afford to not stream is the income they're generating from the company through other means, like merch, sponsorships, etc. If they were indies, they'd actually have to stream to stay relevant.
Girls having friction with management isn't even anything to do with IP, so I have no idea why you'd even bring that up. On top of that, girls like Pekora, who had previously had a lot of friction with management, are now the most successful streamers in the world. Do you think they'd change anything about their jobs or risk that position for some nebulous idea like "extra freedom". This is what overdosing on ideology does to your ability to think
>>77676397
>Like Froot then who Vshojo also turned from a 2view into a 4view.
Froot is an odd case, an anomaly from back when Vshojo founded. Since her, VShojo have not taken in a smaller streamer. And even counting her, you can't compare the two. Cover is consistently taking smaller streamers and growing them whereas VShojo has basically stopped hiring anyone who won't guarantee a decent audience.

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All those years holomems sacrificed themselves, health, career would amount to nothing once they retire in a few years. They'll go back to square one. Sure they made money along the way but their resume is a clean slate. They can't even profit from their former IP they used to work with. Not even a share profit.
Even a slave could by their freedom back during the roman times and here you got drones hailing corpos on 4chan no less.

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>>77676672
>Shion: I really don't wanna get banned so I suggest you look for yourself and try not to feel a knot in your throat
Well, Shion, Aqua and Ayame are all pretty similar, aren't they?

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>>77676397
>Like Froot then who Vshojo also turned from a 2view into a 4view.
Let's be honest anon, you can't compare the vtuber scene now to back then in 2020. The only relevant EN vtubers were holo EN and VShojo. You could count them on your fingers.

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>>77676811
She totally didn't keept her fans she got from hololive, totally not

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>>77676542
i'm saying that i watched every concert for like 2 years and i only remember some bits from 3d debuts and that umapyoi cover

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>>77676542
NTA but both make good stuff. It's okay to prefer one or the other but it's just distasteful to criticize either without having any actual idea what you're talking about. Watch streams or shut up.

>>77676754
All of Vshojo are pretty much odd cases. But it's just an example that Vshojo can grow a 2view into a 4view and still let them own their IP. Vshojo is bigger now than they were back then so I don't see why they couldn't do it again if they wanted to but obviously taking in bigger talents is preferable for them so it might not happen again.

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>>77676811
Imagine comparing a slave contract to a job that you willingly join and agree to the terms as laid out when you join
You're not fighting "corpo shills", you're arguing with people who actually have common sense

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>>77676542
Nta but just watch whatever appeals to you anon, Tribalism will rot your brain.

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>>77676944
>I don't see why they couldn't do it again
Because that's how businesses work. They'll take the easy route 99 times out of 100. They're not charities

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>>77676348
i wouldn't be surprised. they have about 70 talents now, how many do you think they want?

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>>77676908
fucking typo

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>>77677033
>they have about 70 talents now,
In practical terms they dont really have 70, a ton are in various states of soft retirement compared to the stream schedule you typically want a chubbas to have to guarantee growth.

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>>77676754
>it's trying to imply that owning their IPs would suddenly motivate them or change their streaming habits
I'm not implying that.
I'm saying it wouldn't make anything worse.

>Since her, VShojo have not taken in a smaller streamer.
Geega only had 73K followers when she joined

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>>77676828
Sister it's not /jp, noone will trust your bullshit you got from michael cat

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>>77677133
>Geega only had 73K followers when she joined
Geega was a high 3 view when she joined, easily in the top fraction of a percent of streamers

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>>77677209
That just means she has great viewer retention (which vtubers in general have over regular streamers).
For example, Meat is sitting at less than 31K followers and hits similar CCVs to pre-Shojo Geega, but you'd never call someone that size on the top of Twitch. You might not even know who she is.

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>>77676329
If you're talking about the specific scenario of hiring a 2view, Vshojo has only done it once, Froot, and it worked. She's small for Vshojo about as big as anyone in NijiEN.
Anyway I'm not quite sure what you're disagreeing with. I concede they don't offer a CCV bonus as big as Hololive, they just offer a bigger bonus than anyone else in EN. If you think I'm wrong about that give me a counterexample.

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>>77677133
>I'm saying it wouldn't make anything worse.
This is why I'm calling you an ideologue. You just want the changes you want to be put through and you don't really even care whether or not it would benefit both parties.
>>77677183
Miguel didn't even mention Ayame in any of her rants, so nice try, EOP faggot. It's the kind of shit that's just immediately obvious to anyone who knows what's up on the JP side

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>>77677339
>but you'd never call someone that size on the top of Twitch
I never did. But they're both many times bigger than Fuwamoco and Nerissa were, to use two recent examples.

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>>77677129
whether or not they stream they still require behind the scenes management and all that entails

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>>77677360
My point is that you can't use Froot's situation as proof that VShojo could easily start growing streamers while letting them keep their IPs because VShojo doesn't want to do that. And I imagine the reasons are pretty obvious.
They don't have the resources to support or grow a larger number of Vtubers or they don't want to take the obvious risk that some might not grow that big, etc etc. VShojo and Hololive fuction differently and you can't just assume that VShojo could do the same type of box growth autism as Hololive just because they've grown one streamer up to a reasonable size back 4 years ago

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>>77672144
That's not a new spin, that's exactly what happened. All you ha to do was just be paying attention at the time and you'd have known instead of just watching dramachannel, reading vtweeters, and listening to the catalog. Froot never even spoke to silver directly about it. The whole "everyone makes mistakes thing" was never even said to silver. It was said in Froot's own chat in an art stream and had nothing to do with silver. The entire thing was set up to slander Froot because people have had it out to her for ages now. People even later edited the message to remove the little part of the icon from her message that shows it came from her own chat just to try to further push the narrative. It was like trying to say they bullied PIkamee into retirement when we know that is not what happened at all, and there are even still people who will say and still post the 'REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU' picture.

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>>77677385
Sure sister, maybe you got your information from your trustful korekore

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>>77677385
>you don't really even care whether or not it would benefit both parties
That's where you're wrong, because it WOULD benefit the talents.
And that's who matters. I don't give a shit about the suits, and neither should you.

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>>77677628
Kore2 isn't reporting on minor "drama" like that, faggot. People put together this info from stalking their online activity and accounts.
Just because you're putting your head in the sand and pretending that info isn't out there and complied, that doesn't mean it's not happening. Or feel free to shout your next boogeyman at me

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>>77676945
>You're not fighting "corpo shill"
that's absolutely what you are.

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>>77677730
Compiled by sisters who make up stuff, as usual
Only EOP would trust bullshit like this

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>vshojo thread
>stuff from two years ago at least
every time

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>>77677655
No, you're wrong and soft in the head.
There's no reason for a company to take a risk for no gain for themselves. That's not defending "suits", it's acknowledging human behaviour and the reality of the world.
There's always a knock on effect to these things. I don't think it's a coincidence that VShojo are far more handsoff and uninvested in their streamers partially because they don't own the IPs and therefore don't have the same stakes as a company like Hololive, which has to be more direct. If you don't understand why decisions have to work well with both parties, you'll never make it anywhere in the business world. You're basically pining like a child

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>>77677807
EOPs*
sisTAAAAR

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>>77677807
I didn't know EOPs posted on 5ch
I had a feeling that would be your next go-to

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>>77677732
It's most certainly not. It's recognising that things often are the way they are for a reason and not subscribing to whatever ideology is fashionable among certain groups
I'd argue pushing the "freedom above all else" is practically just tribalism in its own way. It's just as bad, if not worse, especially when formulated by people who don't understand how a business works

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>>77677922
Who are you trying to fool? Not even 5ch take the shit you wrote seriously

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>>77677922
Sisters post of 5ch, EOPs use translators and don't see through the bullshit

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I disagree with the notion that Hololive fans have about their company being charitable by only recruiting small streamers. In reality it's because they're the only ones applying. Look at the juggernauts they hired for Myth and half of council, that's their ideal. People of that size just aren't applying anymore because we now have an English indie vtuber scene where you can succeed. That wasn't the case when Hololive first opened their EN auditions.

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>>77677864
>uninvested in their streamers
cover did nothing for half a year while one of their top talents was spammed by their chinese fanbase

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>>77673740
>SEAmonkey finds out a fan is a fan of a streamer instead of a corpo and follows them

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I should have realised it was Coco/Kson fans when the average IQ in the threads began dropping

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>>77678014
Speak English if you want to be taken seriously
>>77678002
Off the top of my head, the Aqua shitposting on 5ch has been going on for years and leaks to Twitter. The Shion tracker shit started either on 5ch or a matome site, but they were able to link enough info to prove the account was hers. And Ayame has had antis for over 3 years and people know what accounts she used.
Just keep screaming at me about some retardation about how it's not true without actually offering up any convincing rebuttal other than ad hominem

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>>77678180
>wow look at all these vshojofags
>no wait it's mousefags
>no wait it's sisters
>no wait it's coco fans
eagle eyed holoCHAD sees through the lies every time to identify the correct /#/ boogeyman. i kneel.

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>>77670718
lmao I saw Michi talking about that second one on stream.

For anyone unaware it was also a show of how VShojo works. She said she was zooted on meds and came up with an idea for merch that sounded great in her head. When you click the pen instead of a click it makes a loud thud sound. She asked VShojo to look into doing that and they actually did and when she woke up they said they don't think it's possible and she was embarrassed she'd actually asked and they looked into it.

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>>77678316
It's genuinely not hard to point out Ksongumi. They're the only people still crying with bitter rage at Coco's last few months in Hololive
Most everyone else moved on since it was so long ago. They also tend to openly admit to arguing constantly in the catalog

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>>77678292
Your proof : "I saw someone saying it's her account on 5ch"

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>>77678292
>shitposting
>has had antis
So, it's made up bullshit that holds no value whatsoever.
And, again, 5ch doesn't take that shit seriously at all, as a matter of fact every rrat related to Aqua pretty much disappeared from the threads over there

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>>77678411
all me, literally, also i identified myself like 200 posts ago.

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>>77677864
>take a risk for no gain for themselves
Any potential risk in this scenario is purely hypothetical and has not manifested anywhere in the industry.
>VShojo are far more handsoff and uninvested in their streamers
You don't know the first thing about VShojo or what they do for their talent. They are very hands-on, just in support, not control.

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>>77678485
>as a matter of fact every rrat related to Aqua pretty much disappeared from the threads over there
Oh yeah, I'm sure nobody believes that she's seeing Amatsuki. You sure got me fooled, anon

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>>77678529
>You don't know the first thing about VShojo or what they do for their talent
I do. The go to excuse will always be that they won't do anything unless directly requested
>>77678521
Get a real hobby

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>>77678541
Correct

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>>77678594
maybe your community should spread the truth about how your company abused coco instead of whitewashing it then i wouldn't have to constantly be explaining to newfriends what actually happened.

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>>77678529
>Any potential risk in this scenario is purely hypothetical and has not manifested anywhere in the industry.
If there's no real tangible gain, they're not going to bother. It's about time you got that through your thick head.
Until their policies either cause people to leave or makes it harder to recruit new people, nobody has any reason to listen to your hands wringing.

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>>77678473
>Your proof : "I saw someone saying it's her account on 5ch"
It's not difficult to prove the owner of a sub account. Leaks from friendlists can be corroborated between different accounts easily enough. It took 5ch about 2 or 3 weeks to find out about Poyo, for instance, and that was a locked Twitter account with less than 10 followers

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>>77671661
Given everything that's happened with her since using Rushia as an example of people believing the company over the talent isn't particularly useful. Mel is a much better example because nobody knows what happened there, but anyone who assumes that it was justified is blindly believing the company and trusting that their actions weren't over the top.

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>>77678660
>your community
Imagine thinking I'm a Hololive fan. I mean if you hate Hololive and Cover so much, just be honest.
It's even funnier because you're also accusing me of posts that I didn't even write. You're not as important as you think you are and your "mission" is equally cringeworthy. I'm sure this isn't a complete waste of your time

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>>77678783
>blindly believing the company
Or, you know, believing Mel herself.

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>>77678594
You definitely don't know anything about VShojo if you think they're hands-off.
Managers and even Gunrun are available at almost any time of day. If their talent wants something, no matter how stupid or unlikely, VShojo will try to make it happen.
Wanna talk investment into talents? How about running tech support, paying for mental health services, R&Ding new tech for them, and giving them a stipend to fund their activities?

>>77678661
>or makes it harder to recruit new people
Already happening. People who find success as an indie (the people companies would actually want, not 2views) are not enticed by the prospect of being controlled by a company and owning nothing they do.

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>>77678829
i could understand someone sucked up in the fandom being delusional, but an outsider pretending that they don't constantly lie about coco is unbelievable to be desu.

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Vshojo > Kurosanji

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>>77678920
>Already happening.
This is genuinely hilarious for me to read considering that Advent has been considering such a good generation than even the JP were sulking about how good they were.
You can say what you want, but those same indies are also staying away from VShojo, so there's no real difference there

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>>77678941
Again, I don't give a fucking shit about Coco. I'm specifically calling out her shitty fans for spending hours in bait threads.
Accuse me of doing more shit I didn't do, rather than address the point that you're just wasting your time posting on 4chan about nothing worhwhile.

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>>77679103
uh huh

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>>77679027
>those same indies are also staying away from VShojo
I mean, the recruitment strategies are entirely different and as far as anyone knows, nobody who's been approached has said no.

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>>77679197
Yeah, well VShojo and recruitment strategies is a funny story

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>>77679166
guy you're replying to is a mike cuck who hates vshojo because of an imaginary stream quota they supposedly forced on her
you can tell because he's the only person on the board who says "ksongumi"

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>>77679239
This is the most delusional post I've ever read.
This might come as a shock to you, vsjfag, but people actually do tend to refer to fans by their fanbase names. Although now I wonder how boring their streamers must be considering how many VShojo shitters are in the catalog all the time

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>>77679239
Yeah, I wonder if he just uses the archive to look for mentions of Nazuna / Mike or if he just camps vshojo catalog threads to see if she pops up.

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>>77679381
using the wrong fanbase name is kinda a giveaway though

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>vshoujotards making up conspiracy theories to look less like schizos

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>>77679544
vshoujo is better than houloulive

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>>77679644
The org that can't spell its own name right, you mean.
If you don't understand why people put the "u" there, go learn Japanese, you fucking normalfag. Or is your org actually called "V Virgin"?

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>>77679421
No need to shit on Miguel's fans for no reason, even if you're still butthurt about how she was back when she was with VShojo. It comes across as petty

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>>77679702
Yeah? It's a joke.

>>77679753
There are plenty of good reasons to shit on keyfags.

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>>77679929
>Yeah? It's a joke.
Except they don't pronounce it like 処女, do they?
>There are plenty of good reasons to shit on keyfags.
I'm sure getting into fanbase wars is very productive

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>>77679239
>imaginary stream quota
The only reason her fans didn't clip those parts of her streams and post them into /vsj/ at the time is that they didn't want to cause her more issues because people in that general were dumb enough to leak the fact that staff read those threads

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>>77679975
Kson literally explained the joke to Haruka.

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>>77680053
I'm aware of what the joke is. But basically everyone pronounces the name with the long "ou" sound

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>>77678878
Yes, believing the person who had no power in the situation and would risk blacklisting if she spoke up against the company was definitely accepting blame as a pure statement of truth and nothing else.

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>>77680339
Makes more sense than the retarded "mu company bad" you're pulling out of your ass.

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>>77679702
someone should tell steve jobs his dumb company had been spelling "phone" wrong all this time. there's no i in it, idiot.

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>>77680339
At this point, you might as well just admit that you won't accept anything that doesn't exactly fit into your ideology because of your immense autism

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>>77680390
>>77680420
After the leaked niji contracts I have no idea how you're so confident that Mel isn't in the same situation.

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>>77680412
When the "joke" is based around two different words, 少女 and 処女, which are pronounced and written differently, and yet the people in the company can't pronounce them correctly, it's not the average person's fault that they'll assume that the name should be written as "ou"
Did you know the Japanese wiki for VShojo actually writes the name as "ou" when they write it out in katakana? What an absolute failure in branding

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>>77680581
what's it like to have crippling autism

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>>77680552
Because there are innumerable examples of niji talents being unhappy with their company and ZERO examples of hololive talents being unhappy with theirs

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>>77680670
>zero
I can think of at least 3.

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>>77680670
>and ZERO examples of hololive talents being unhappy with theirs
LMAO

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>>77680649
>make joke based on Japanese words
>it's so bad, Westerners don't get it
>even the Japanese don't get it
Hey, it's not my fault you retards don't know the language

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>>77680420
You can just say you have zero experience with the real world and how sometimes speaking up will get you fucked over. Especially in Japan with slander laws favoring the accuser so much. She has way more to lose from saying anything to defend herself than she would from just accepting the blame and moving on.

Because again, nobody knows what happened and you're trusting that the company isn't pressuring her into accepting that deal.

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>>77680552
>>77680843
>After the leaked niji contracts I have no idea how you're so confident that Mel isn't in the same situation.
Mikeneko has had enough meltdowns being butthurt about Cover for people to realise that they actually do have a rather decent amount of freedom to talk about the company, provided they just paygate it, etc etc
I also don't trust a bunch of VShojofags with an obvious agenda. That's not to say she's even entirely happy, but it's so obvious you scumbags are just trying to use her for your own ideological purposes that it's sickening

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>>77680821
I get it. Maybe you're just autistic?