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It's been almost a year and not a single EN or ID managed to learn Japanese (unless they knew it already) and all the JPs gave up on English

>> No.7725884

anons weren't kidding when they said said /vt/ doesn't watch streams huh

>> No.7725982

>>7725884
No, it's just the trannies and women outside of /hlgg/. They make new threads because they can't get enough traction inside /hlgg/

>> No.7726148

>>7725762
What's your point? Menhera girls find reason to wake up in the morning, act cute for thousands of people, don't sleep normally, deal with drama/irl bullshit, deal with management, learning songs, making songs, finding creative things to do. Oh btw you wanna learn a language that's polar opposite of your own? (Not saying they have the hardest job in the world but come on dude)

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>>7725762

>> No.7726209

>>7725762
https://effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty/>Category IV Languages: 88 weeks (2200 class hours)

“Super-hard languages” – Languages which are exceptionally difficult for native English speakers.

> *Japanese
>* Languages preceded by asterisks are usually more difficult for native English speakers to learn than other languages in the same category.

Wow why didn't they learn it in a year? It's so easy!

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>>7726209
You need a purpose in order to be able to learn. For me, it was Eroge. I was so fed up with translation companies taking literal years to come out with games for me to pirate that I learned Japanese in 1.5 years so I could just pirate the JP versions instead.

>> No.7726503

>>7726209
Those studies don't really take into account that japanese has way way more resources to help you learn and media to consume than any other language that isn't english, you could legitimately learn enough vocabulary to have a conversation just watching anime with j subs and a yomi extension in a year

>> No.7726706

>>7726423
That's fucking based.

>> No.7726727

>>7725762
Instead of complaining that Holo JPs can't speak English do your fucking JP reps instead OP.

>> No.7726875

Well duh, they only did duolingo streams for cheap EOP views

>> No.7726976

>>7726423
How do you feel about the fact that you spend 1.5 years of your learning a super difficult language just so you could pirate porn games and "appreciate the story"?

Like, now that you know what "kimochiii" means, do you feel like you've gained new insight into the literary masterpieces of eroge?

>> No.7726990

>>7725762
Didn't Suisei make good progress in English.

>> No.7726992

>>7725762
isn't that the point of having specific lang branches?

>> No.7727026

>>7726503
The numbers are based on government language programs where you're taking classes taught by professional teachers. if you're just watching anime and using browser extensions, it's going to take a lot longer.
>enough vocabulary to have a conversation
Not a very good conversation, though.

>> No.7727041

I want to learn Japanese but I fucking suck at doing it on my own and I don't know how to get to a class, I never went to college.
I know kana and some kanji but the grammar isn't sticking in my head, and when I spend days on studying sentence structure and conjugation I forget some kanji. I know a bunch of random words and that's basically it. HELP

>> No.7727045

>>7725762
it's called hololive ENGLISH retard

>> No.7727101

>>7725762
Retardchama

>> No.7727122

>>7726990
yeah I've been giving her plenty of tutoring sessions

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>>7726976
I actually piggybacked off it as part of my repertoire (my main skillset is in digital design) to get a job as an editor at a publishing company, wherein we frequently deal with manga print releases. It turns out having an editor who can peek at raw files to doublecheck that the translator did his job is a useful skill to have.

>> No.7727224

>>7726503
I have about 3k hours of anime watch time and I can't hold any conversation in japanese

>> No.7727276

>>7726423
based and hornypilled. I fucking kneel to you good sir.

>> No.7727282

Kiara will teach Ame once they become married (soon)!

>> No.7727593

>>7727026
Unironically you would learn more learning by yourself than being taught by teachers, you have all the resources in the world made by others online, the only benefit they could have is forcing you to speak japanese to other people and you can still do that without a teacher online. And for the holos 1 year would be enough to have normal conversations, not like they talk about difficult topics most of the tine

>> No.7731644

Didn't Aki get decent at English

>> No.7731773

>>7727026
>Not a very good conversation, though.
It's fine if they sound like a toddler.

>> No.7731903

>>7725762
Don't lump ID in with the rest. Every one of them is trilingual besides Moona and she's trying extra hard for the bunny cunny.

>> No.7731932

>>7726990
Suisei doesn't have enough free time to learn another language, unfortunately. She has a good pronunciation without even trying though

>> No.7732022

>>7725762
My oshi is just like meee

>> No.7732093

>>7726423
>learning nihongo in 1.5 years
i-i kneel... the power of horny is too much...

>> No.7733464

>>7725762
Hey dumbtard, have you not seen IRyS yet?

>> No.7734829

>>7725762
>All the JPs gave up on English
Its hard to say this. Sora still seems to do her reps. Marine is actually improving from volcano vocabulary. Nenechi and Luna are always going to shock people with random English they pick up. Towa is probably trying to learn English since she failed learning Korean for her apex friends. Fubuki, Subaru and Korone are westaboos so they are still doing their reps. I agree that EN gave up their JP reps though. No improvement on Ame, Gura and Calli whatsoever.

>> No.7735600

>>7726209
This is just cope for plebs that refuse to put in the effort. The human mind is designed for language learning. The only hard languages to learn are the dead or obscure ones.

>> No.7735660

>>7725762
>a year
>learn Japanese
OP more like EOP

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>>7726423
>女子小学生と膣内射精
so, are you N1 now?

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>>7735600
not really, it's more like a thing i could brag about
>yeaa dudee English was a piece of cake, i ate that shit in a day, Japanese? fucking walk in the park

>> No.7736360

>>7735871
What the actual fuck is wrong with the niggercontinent in this picture?

>> No.7736417

>>7736360
No Oil so US doesn't care

>> No.7736752

>>7736417
I mean the shape of it.

>> No.7736823

>>7736752
its shown as if it was actually on the curved surface of the earth

>> No.7736862

>>7736752
That's called perspective on a sphere.
Things near the edge of a sphere get warped heavily. It's like how with Mercator Projection it makes things near the poles look stupidly huge compared to reality.

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I have been a weeb more than half of my life, english isn't even my first language but god it frustrates me not knowing japanese since is like half of the shit I consume like anime or vtubers.

It seems like this massive wall in front of me, with learning english at least I could read what it said, Japanese is like trying to remember fucking runes.
I don't know where to even begin with it, I could watch a step by step thing but even that doesn't get stuck with me. For those who knows it, besides the dedication to do it, what is really the best way to learn it?

>> No.7737263

>>7734829
Roboco has also gotten much better with her English.

The sample size for ENs giving up on Nihongo is kind of small though, to draw many conclusions. Ina, IRyS, Kiara, and Mori all can speak nip with some level of proficiency, as can most all of the IDs. I think that leaves only Moona, Gura and Ame as the ENs with little or no proficiency.

>> No.7737578

>>7737119
Anon are you me, Japanese is my third now. Just go for it with the mindset "i did it so i can do it again". I go for the memorizing kanjis approach, as in learn all the 常用漢字 first (around 2000 i think), learn them by the N, from 5 to 1, with writing down vocabs that consists of said kanji, double down with writing and reading, less averting your eyes from kanjis and actively look them up and write them down as much as possible. I mean wtf, just do what you did with English, plus the kanji mining part.
[spolier]seems like you really want to learn so i'll tach you another trick of mine, very retarded and tacky even, is to write the kanjis on your own body (preferably arms), with or without furigana

>> No.7737980

>>7737578
The way of me learning english was due to just consuming a lot of english content, like mostly self taught, all of that took me maybe 7 years.
I have consumed jap content for way longer than that and like I said, to me is just staring at random lines. Everytime I tried to learn like a few letters, it was so complicated to remember anything. All you said barely made any sense to me but I'll keep it saved just in case one day does.
I am just scared to even try to pick up again even when I genuinely want to learn it. I am someone that gives up kinda easily too, so it genuinely seems an impossible task but I hope one day I do. I love weebie stuff and the jap culture in general, one day I want to visit japan without a language problem.

>> No.7737983

>>7727593
>Unironically you would learn more learning by yourself than being taught by teachers
what a poorfag cope, embarrassing

>> No.7738625

>>7727593
>Unironically you would learn more learning by yourself than being taught by teachers
So if we shut down all schools people will become even smarter?!

>> No.7739491

>>7737983
Anon this is absolutely true, just thibk avout it
How did you learn your own native language? By hearing others using it and slowly making sense of it all.
Practically all non-native english speakers I know are self-taught. You need only be actively trying to learn.

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>>7726992
The most successful and influential vtuber of all time was bilingual and largely responsible for the spread of the medium to the English speaking world. Trying to get more of their talent to learn other languages was a major focus of the management.

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>>7725762
cuz cumfags are cucks who love corperate wholes shilling for tacobell

>> No.7745294

>>7738625
>So if we shut down all schools people will become even smarter?!
Unironically yes

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>>7725762
because cumcucks love talentless whores like shills for taco bell

>> No.7745385

>>7738625
Well, you won't. People who have the smarts and discipline to learn on their own excel in or out of schools. People are just so dumb these days that not even schooling can save them from a lifetime or mediocrity.

>> No.7745495

>>7725762
>They haven't managed to become fluent in a foreign language in under a year
You might be setting your expectations a little too high there, OP

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>>7737980
personally i think it differs from english in that if you don't look up words you'll never figure them out yourself like you do sometimes in English.
Here's my discord if you wanna link up and exchange stuff 煉獄の住民#8757, i rep most of the time so feel free to ask anything whenever you wanna get back on it

>> No.7747258

>>7739491
this, in short you learn better outside the system if you are a disciplined individual

>> No.7747416

>holoEN
>has to speak Japanese
can't make this shit up

>> No.7747473

>>7747416
to be fair Cover is a Japanese Company and look at the EN

>> No.7747582

>>7747473
*ID
fuck i'm tired

>> No.7747588

>>7726148
o nyooo little girl has to play vidya and sings
Yeah no shit they can't muster the effort to actually learn an actual skill with how their life is on easy mode

>> No.7747710

>>7725762
>all the JPs gave up on English
wrong
Temma is actually taking it serious.

>> No.7747719

>>7747473
>look at the [ID]
The three who don't know Japanese well are Americans, its not much of a surprise that they only know English. They don't really encourage multi-lingual skills unless you want to be a social worker

>> No.7748017

>>7747719
so as long as something is not "required", it is immediately ceased becoming a desirable skill / trait? I'm not asking them to go the whole N0, 50K kanjis road, just sufficing conversational level for potential collabs is all. From what i've seen from Moona, her Japanese isn't "academic" in any sense anyways, that much would make a successful collab.

>> No.7748104

>>7725762
Nene gave up english?

>> No.7748117

>>7748017
>so as long as something is not "required", it is immediately ceased becoming a desirable skill / trait?
Pretty much, yeah. Self-discipline isn't nearly as common these days, which is why programs like duolingo trend for a bit and die out.

>> No.7748181

>>7725762
Everybody would gitgud if they let them play minecraft together if only to avoid embarrassment. There is no need when the people that don't speak japanese/english never has to interact with people who do. Also weren't roboco and Ame learning just enough to play Apex?

>> No.7748228

>>7748117
ig ur right,fuck Doulingo, i don't even want my oshi to colllab anyways

>> No.7749430

>>7725762
Turns out it's kinda hard to learn a language that is completely different in just about every way from the one you speak

>> No.7749450

>>7739491
Well school starts at around 4 and children aren't really capable of holding an actual conversation until much later.

>> No.7750225

>>7735871
I thought Finnish was a literal meme language? Is it really easier to learn it than japanese?

>> No.7752277

>>7737983
>>7738625
Unless you have a private teacher that teaches you alone you will always learn way slower on a class than on your own, this applies to anything including languages. And even with a private teacher you could learn japanese faster by yourself, teachers aren't perfect entities

>> No.7752416

>>7727223
That’s actually pretty cool, Anon.

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