Could I join a company without content experience?

[Anonymous No.]

The Nijisanji forms are gone now, but I don't remember them asking for previous content creation experience. Could I get in by showcasing my abilities alone? Do I do my build a following reps? Do I just keep working nightshift at the convenience store?

[Anonymous No.]

Technically you don't need past experience but I remember looking at the forms and it asked for your socials and follower count, things along the line of having experience. I don't know how JP applications look like considering literal who boomers got in.

[Anonymous No.]

Oliver is an example of a new niji hire who didn't have prior experience as a streamer. I also heard they're launching a new program where they'll train inexperienced people to become streamers.

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>>7725226
Technically, yes. Realistically, no. If you want to look at NijiEN as examples, almost every single one of them have moderately successful past lives and more than a few of them already knew each other.

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>>7725226
There's nothing stopping you from auditioning.

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>>7725226
A lot of Nijisanji had no prior experience, but all of NijiEN did. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if that was just so they had a solid base to work off of and the upcoming 2 waves had more nobodies in them. Especially the male wave, since there's not a ton of big male to snatch up.
Basically, knowing Nijisanji it's possible but at the same time it wouldn't hurt to actually have something to offer, and if all you've got is "I'd be a good streamer" and you don't have any streams to show that's not great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7725387
The new Niji EN male wave will more likely than not have Pomu and Elira's male friends from their old group as members, though.

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>>7725226
Reminder, Mito and Kenmochi Toya who are one of top Niji have zero streaming experience.

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>>7725226
Literally just do it, bro.
The only thing that you really need as a streamer, vtuber or not, is to just be entertaining and to be, forgive me for the lack of a better word here, not cringe.
If you don't feel confident yet, just start a channel doing whatever whenever you want so you can use that as a resume. Whatever you ended up doing, just don't put all the eggs in one basket, just in case things don't go as plan.

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>>7725459
Mito and Kenmochi are both examples of lightning in a bottle, though. You can't just point at them and go "well they became wildly popular, so you can do it too".

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>>7725456
I'll be laughing when none of those talentless hacks make it. They also weren't 'friends', they just worked together on a music video.

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>>7725525
You sure about that? A couple of them are either graduating or on hiatus right now which more or less implies they're making their way through auditions.

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>>7725581
Which ones?

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>>7725226
>Could I get in by showcasing my abilities alone?
Realistically, no. I had streamer friends who didn't even get their audition videos looked at. But go for it anyway, because at least you will have tried.

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>>7725525
They had been hanging out and collabing with each other for over a year (mostly with old-Elira).

[Anonymous No.]

Unlike JP, Nijisanji EN can't risk hiring "talented nobodies" this early on. Maybe that will change once they got themselves a breakout member.

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>>7725459
And so are a ton of other Nijis who sit at numbers below indies.

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It would be amazing if some talented nobody showed up because I feel like all the Niji ENs so far feel too safe, all of them are kinda mid to me.

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>>7725226
They specifically ask how many subscribers you have on youtube, twitter, etc. I guess it's not technically required, but it feels like it might as well be required.

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>>7726694
I mean, it's more than nothing but Finana never actually debuted. Her past life was basically a vtweeter who was in a few collabs, so they clearly don't care about you having THAT much experience.
Although I still wanna know how she got in, and how she got to the interview state of HoloEN for that matter. Maybe she's just exceptionally good at applications or something, I dunno. She did say she basically wrote a 12 page paper for NijiEN.

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>>7725581
Its been a week since auditions closed. If they stopped it's because they've given up. You do understand they don't make their choices within a week right?

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>>7729057
she literally wrote amogus twelve thousand times

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>>7729128

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>>7729122
They might have already had some people in mind and fast tracked them. Especially since the original auditions weren't female only, so they could've had a list of hopefuls from there.
There's still the interview stage, so I doubt it was THAT fast, but we'll see.

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>>7729161
The funniest part is I actually somewhat understand why they accepted him for this
>Probably has decent grades on transcript
>This is an extremely ballsy move, even if its politically correct, he basically threw away his application
>the mild threat of denying a black person the position causing problems
>Shows confidence or at least the shitposting mentality necessary to not be a crazy person.

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>>7726377
>talented nobodies
all six EN so far are pretty much talented nobodies. The best of their past are about 30k subs. Some were just few hundred.

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>>7725226
Always remember
The sign of Nijisanji is a living example of from nobody to legend.

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>>7729531
Anywhere around 10k is great for an indie, and when people say talented nobodies they usually mean either not a streamer (or an artist, or a singer, etc. Nothing notable basically.) or a literal 2view if they do stream.

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>>7729418
There's too many leaps of logic to be made to think they've not only been interviewed but that they've been 100% guaranteed a spot in Nijisanji, because they wouldn't retire otherwise (I'd also like to know who these people are). Sure Pomu and Elira were friends but they were also both very successful, much more-so than any of these other indies, to the point that they were guessed to have been accepted in Nijisanji the moment they announced their graduation. I find extremely hard to believe they'll have any sway in regards to who gets in next, especially when they hadn't met the Obsydia members until 1 month prior to their debut despite being from the same wave of applications.

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It’s not like they need indie vtubers for the male wave. It’s been proven artists can get in, and who fucking knows which artists are interested in it. Though singers are a bit more obvious. I would not be surprised if youtaite like Kuraiinu got in.
>>7729057
I heard a rrat that she was just mistaken about how far she got into the auditions. Entirely possible.

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>>7729572
Could you say the same for her wave mates?

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>>7729592
>I heard a rrat that she was just mistaken about how far she got into the auditions. Entirely possible
That, or the very real possibility that she simply made it up.

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>>7729654
I could, being such a rich and boring man, gets attacked by fans for three years straight and somehow make them becomes a cult is another form of legend

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>>7729662
>That, or the very real possibility that she simply made it up.
I think she's genuinely too dumb to consider doing that. She didn't have the common sense not to announce she was applying to NijiEN, and she STILL doesn't have to common sense not to talk about her sex toys or dox herself at least 3 times so far. Hell, on some level she shouldn't have even announced the Hololive thing if she thought she might apply to that again in the future.
That said, I can believe she was just mistaken, but even making it one or two stages in on as little as she had to show is still impressive.

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>>7729654
>>7729725
Ironically Hajime is more famous compared to Moira and Aki.

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>>7729764
>Hell, on some level she shouldn't have even announced the Hololive thing if she thought she might apply to that again in the future.
This is exactly why I believe she made it up. I think she's a lot smarter than you give her credit for. I think she talks about all that stuff for the purpose of creating buzz. Regardless we'll never really know.

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>>7729842
Always has been. He has something, and Aki pretty much has nothing.
Hajime is a complicate man. Those who hates him will not hesitate to give him likes if he pull something good for once, like his funny ark suffering stream and his singing.

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>>7729844
Could be that she made it up to increase her chances of getting into Niji. If she really got that far ahead in the Holo auditions, I don’t see why she couldn’t have just waited and tried again for those when money isn’t an issue for her.

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>>7729945
Who knows, although I'm glad she made it into Niji. She might have fit into Hololive as it was then, but she sure as hell wouldn't fit into it now.

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>>7729842
I feel like Moira and Aki barely exist. They'd never join in on group stuff like Ibrahim's soccer tournament. Maybe because they're hags, but still. They're off in their own little first wave circle.

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>>7730074
Moira is excusable since she's still a full day OL and i wouldn't surprise if Aki's as well.
Out of trio Chihiro is the only one that becoming full fledged streamer, hence the three only meet up or stream on sundays

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>>7725581
>>7725649
Just checked: None of them are graduating. Only one is on hiatus (Akatora Chimon) and has been for over a month now, before Nijisanji even announced applications for wave 3 and 4. So anon was talking out of his ass.

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>>7730161
I get that Moimoi is busy but I just never see her collabing with newer people. She and Aki-kun feel isolated to me, of their own choosing. Maybe it's just me since Seeds and Gamers are large and are always doing shit with the other waves that I got too used to seeing random collabs happen.

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>>7725226
They have way too many talents. Like holy shit how do you even manage them?

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>>7730820
They're managing just fine. They have staff.

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>>7730820
Like any other business in existence?

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>>7725226
Only if you have other content-creation experience. Otherwise, if you really, really want to be a pro vtuber, your best bet is to start ASAP, keep putting in loads of effort to make clippable content, network enough to get at least regular 2 digit viewer numbers (3 digit ideally) and then apply next round of submissions. Try to avoid doing anything that could come back and bite you in the ass if you make it, like talking about politics or getting involved in drama. Also remember that if you're a male, you're already at a serious disadvantage and will need some kind of gimmick to make up for this.

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>>7725226
probably more of a preference than anything. Nobodies have gotten in before, see NijiEN.

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>>7730820
>Like holy shit how do you even manage them?
Simple, they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7730971
Really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7731209
No.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if any of the hopefuls here have realized that a majority of the companies that corpo vtubers have to deal with almost never give permissions to old games and pretty much have to shill new games

selen has been very Luminant about this

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>>7725331
Finana was barely a step above a vtweeter, she's probably the best case for "anyone can make it" on the female side. I imagine the male side will have a lot lower bar for success and experience, if such a thing is even possible, given how few successful male vtubers there are.

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>>7729057
ERP with the talent scout.

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>>7732759
Hence why I'm playing all my random games now while I prepare!

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>>7732759
Depends on the game. Plenty of Nijis play retro games without any problem. Unless EN somehow has different rules because American copyright is shit since Selen mentioned that she has to get permission to play StarCraft despite KR, VR, and ID has played the game.

[Anonymous No.]

Finana got in and her past life wasn't even a full blown vtuber. You could probably make it into a future wave opening if you started right now.

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>>7730820
Their staff actually does things rather than seemingly existing only to obstruct the talent for arbitrary reasons.
Also: The international branch staff is separate iirc. So afaik English has their own branch staff along with their manager (although they should get more of those soon, 6 is already a lot for one person but taking care of 10 will probably kill her and that's not even counting however many males they decide on).

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>>7733893
One of niji id staff sometimes play in their minecraft server to help gather resources & making event in there, i found that hilarious

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>>7729654
Can I get a qrd on this guy?

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>>7725226
Theoratically, yes, but that has about the same chance of happening as you winning the olympics so don't count on it.

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>>7726377
>he doesn't know

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>>7725459
Actually, many popular niji were nobody with zero streaming experience, Mito, Kenmochi, Yashiro, Chaika, Maimoto, Lulu, Gibara

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>>7734418
Well, Tamaki once time, made her manager to stir natto for hours for her stream so the manager job seems really miserable

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>>7730820
Firstly, they’re a big company. It’s no issue for them. From what I hear the talents get to choose what level of management they want. I assume most of them mostly want managers to fuck off so that’s why we don’t hear about them as much compared to other companies.

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>>7745347
>Lulu
>nobody

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>>7733337
Yes, it is different for EN. Though that makes me wonder if Luna is happy now. It seems like she can't really play retro games anymore but Moruru did all the time.

>>7752474
>He doesn't know

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>>7725226
What abilities matter other than your ability to keep an audience engaged?

Ultimately your skills all are relevant to serve this goal, so some agency is going to want to see that you can put them together to actually build an audience rather than just being Mr Draw Real Good that nobody wants to watch

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>>7754902
>It seems like she can't really play retro games anymore but Moruru did all the time.
She loves numbers so she probadly happy and feels at home now

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>>7729057
It's not about how long you streamed, or how big your audience was even. It's about you having demonstrated that you can do it, and that people give a shit about you.

Once those two things are in place, an agency gives you that implicit audience and as long as you Can Do It, and Make People Give a Shit, success is somewhat assured for all parties involved.

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>>7725226
I unironically want to join Nijisanji just so I can flirt and fuck with the girls.
Dont care about how many views I get as long as I get to collab with them.

[Anonymous No.]

If I make it through the male auditions, I'll see if my first game can be Project Wingman.

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>>7757132
How entertaining you are, which isn't something you can measure. All depends on the people looking through your application.

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>>7725226
Less than 1000 twitter followers btfo lmao. EN recruiters are taking it as safe as possible and will take it even safer with male hires. What makes you a more reliable pick over already established internet personalities?
Do your social media reps, you don’t even have to stream if you don’t want to. Just make videos or sing or some shit, anything that uses your voice.

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>>7757554
Don't let this be you raitochama.

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>>7757567
Based and Raitopilled

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>>7758770
fuck i meant to reply >>7757865

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>>7757554
Why is Raito on 4chan

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>>7757554
I don't even care about flirting, I just feel like some of them would be an absolute blast to hang out with

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>>7759086
I get that feeling from Gundou and Ange, but I am sure I would wanna fuck them as well.
Unless they are ugly.

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>>7757194
Her existence has always been confusing to me. I can't even fathom going through that many social media accounts. With that much experience, you would think she'd be a content creation god.

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>>7757554
>not wanting to fuck the males instead
ngmi

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>>7762819
based

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>>7762716
Not really, all of her previous lifes has shit numbers. if she is some menhera like people claimed then she would be retired by now

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>>7763572
Having that many accounts seems menhera to me. She could have just stuck with a few, but to create over 40 different identities and repeatedly abandoning them? That's insane. It makes me wonder how people even found all of those accounts, though there is also the very real possibility that they just haven't. Given her track record, I wouldn't be surprised if she graduated. At this point I just wonder about the people who choose to continue to be a fan of her and how they feel.

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>>7734484
He said that Mito would be the biggest Vtuber ever in history and that she's better than Kizuna Ai in every way about a month after his debut. This resulted in one of the more cataclysmic flamings in the vtuber world, he has been radioactive ever since, imagine what happened to Coco but instead of chinese bots it's japanese otaku who go through your trash, anyone else would have graduated on the spot but he just doesn't give a fuck so he kept streaming. 3 years later he's still streaming. Honestly other than that he's pretty plain.

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>>7725226
First of all I'll assume you're a male.
I'm not a niji expert but I think that they don't value raw abilities alone as much. This is just my speculation but I feel like their guideline for hiring is more on the lines of "Will this person fit where I want? Is this idea of a vtuber original and viable? Will people want to watch it?"
They did change the approach for nijiEN a little by trying to pick most people from the same circle of friends, but even then each girl has a different appeal and varying sets of individual skills. I do think that at least for the first male wave they'll be a lot more conservative and try to pick safe bets, if that's even possible.
My advice for you is, be genuine. For example if you can sing, don't show that off as something to be measured on an exam or something like that. Show them why you like to sing, what would you do if you could sing as a niji. Remember, they're looking for entertainers. Your abilities are worth nothing if you can't/don't want to entertain people with it. Do what you love to do, but most importantly, ask yourself if you wanna share that love with others.
Anyways, good luck bro.

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>>7729128
>>7729161
I'm convinced.

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>>7757554
I'm sure half or more of the guys who applied did so for the same reason.

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>>7725226
Experience isn't necessary but it'll give you a huge advantage over other applicants, even if it's not completely related to vtubing or streaming. A friend of mine decided to apply for NijiEN and listed his experience as a radio host, and they got back to him asking when he could start. If it weren't for his day job's schedule conflicting with stream times, he would've been a chuuba by now

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>>7734484
>>7764943
he's also terminally boring. the reason the first suggestions that come up when you google him are STILL stuff about flaming and controversy is because he's boring as fuck. i'm convinced the only people who watch him are the most schizo of his antis looking for fuel to keep flaming him and maybe like 5 saviorfags. not even collabs can save this man. it's fascinating.

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>>7767175
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

Here's the truth:
You need charisma and marketable skills, and you have to prove it to them in 5 minutes before they'll even talk to you. If you get it, you prepare for A LOT OF WORK. You should get coaching, you'll have management who will sometimes say no and you have to be prepared and remain professional, especially behind closed doors.
Being good at games isn't enough, you need a good voice, to know how to stream without nerves and you need to know how to play a character.

Anyone here telling you can do it isn't lying to you, but it's sugar-coating it by omission - it takes a lot of skills to actually get there, and then some some luck on top of that.

Even for starters, if you want to stream as yourself, there's your first red flag. Go be an indie if you want that. The fans are not yours, they are your character's fans.
You are trying to get into essentially a live voice-acting job. You are not special, you are a boring 3d person, probably not much to you that would make you interesting unless someone got to know you, and they won't stay if they find you or your voice unpleasant. You need the pieces to make it so they come for the avatar and stay for you. Your avatar is your first hook, and you mix it in with your personality but you have to be able to make the viewers stay consistently.

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>>7770144
ogey

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>>7729654
Sure. Chihiro, Kaede, Elu and Rin are great. Aki, Moira and Hajime are the mediocre ones.

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>>7770144
>The fans are not yours, they are your character's fans
That's retarded. You are the character. You're right in that it's not an easy job, but you're severely overcomplicating it with your words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7770144
>The fans are not yours, they are your character's fans.
you should tell ksonfags that

[Anonymous No.]

>>7770144
It’s a hard pill for many people to swallow, especially anons on /asp/. Anyone can become a VTuber, but very few will be successful as indies and even less will make it into established companies. Even start up companies won’t take absolute nobodies.

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>>7771912
No. They say they're not sugarcoating but they're doing the opposite extreme. The fans are absolutely fans of the vtubers and not just their characters alone. Holy fucking doomer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7771912
If you're confident in real life, you can easily be a good streamer. I will get in Nijisanji, and I'll stream Cave Story in my first 2 weeks if I do. Screencap this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7772093
Be more specific so we know it's you pussy.

[Anonymous No.]

I would like to add that whether or not you can, at least try to stream as an indie first to learn the ropes and test the waters

Personally I tried it for a bit and found out that yeah streaming is not really for me, there's other forms of content I'd rather be making instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>7767175
Emails haven't even been sent out yet for males you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>7772028
It's weird to seperate the character and the vtuber. You're watching a person who just chose to stream as an anime character. Even people who are deep into kayfabe like Mayuzumi Kai talks about real life stuff and his feelings, so his fans are definitely fans of him and not the character he plays alone.

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>>7771654
No, you are not the character, it's a combination.
Is Gura really a shark? Does she really forget her age and eat baby food? Is it more realistically true that she practises talking to the mirror before leaving her house and is messy?
How many of those were clipped and which got more views?
It mixes in with her personality because it's based off of herself but she herself is not her character.

The baby food and whatever stoopid hahA moments are often fluff to create a character because that's what you're paid to do. You talk about stuff, mix in life experience and personality whilst in character.

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>>7773336
You're arguing semantics. You are playing the character. People are fans of the character, which besides the appearance is crafted entirely by you. Do you actually believe people would still be fans of a vtuber if their model was dumped on to someone else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7773164
Even if they have they're not going to go "when can you start, we need you ASAP".

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>>7773204
This. It’s regular streaming but with chuuni lore shit basically. Even though I’m drawn in by the character I’m obviously also a fan of the person behind said character. You don’t get hardcore fans livetweeting, gushing, and worrying over you just because they enjoy the avatar. They are like any other celebrity with dedicated fans.
>>7773409
Also this. Remember the Kizuna Ai voice actor shit? People were in it for the one girl, they didn’t care about anyone else playing the role. Obviously people care, kson proves this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7725226
Depends on how they hire. Hololive always requires experience
>>7725485
based asian guy

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>>7767175
Lol ogey dumbass
>>7760653
Gundou scares me but everyone else seems fun