/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

the new Nijis are innocent. please give them a chance.

[Anonymous No.]

As long as Luca is in company I never will give any Niji a chance

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>joining niji post-Zaion
>innocent
Not only won't watch ever, won't even watch if they reincarnate.

[Anonymous No.]

No

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842542
tpbp

[Anonymous No.]

lol no

[Anonymous No.]

Perhaps we need to rethink nijibeggar on top of nijisister

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
i will check back in like 2 weeks from now to see if your new GFE loli ends up imploding her GFE appeal by then or not. If she hasn't fucked up by then I will give her a chance. Good luck

[Anonymous No.]

They seem okay, I just don’t feel confident in investing any time in Niji chuubas because any one of them could get graduated/terminated at any time, I’d rather not be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I don't care about timing, anyone joining this garbage agency after everything that happened last year and early this year is as innocent as a Nazi officer during the Nuremberg trials.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842624
She isn't GFE though. She's bratty rape bait and she knows it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>innocent
>niji
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
FUCK
OFF

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Maybe they won't be as bad as most of their previous hires.
We should give them a fair chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842854
Go right ahead, but I won’t.

[Anonymous No.]

I am waiting 2 more weeks.
If the loli doesn't collab with a guy or flirt with him on social media then I will give her a chance.

Gen-wide collabs excluded.

[Anonymous No.]

>nijisociopath
>innocent

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
The only way I'd watch Niji at this point is if they had a gen that was the same level as Advent is to me where I would place aside all my annoyance with Niji to watch them. Realistically, that's not the case though, and at best, the new niji are almost certainly mediocre to above average vtubers. If they weren't part of Niji and I knew about them, I'd give them a chance. While they're at Niji, no thanks. That's where I'm at with Vivi too. Seems like an entertaining person. I'll watch her if or when she jumps ship, or rather, jumps yacht.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842782
Your dick is shaped kinda weird anon, the head is all warped

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842916
It’ll be a forced collab with Luca exactly 13 days from this post.

[Anonymous No.]

I tuned into the blue girls debut and I must admit, she is a cutie and had a decent singing voice. But watching your company goes against all my morals and I'll never tune in again. Wishing her the best of luck. She'll need it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842916
She seems pretty focused on yuribait. She can't stop talking about wanting to smell Klara.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijiniggers got so mindbroken these last couple of days they're begging now kek. Publicly execute Elira, Enna and Millie and I'll think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843379
>leaving out Vox and Luca

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842854
>we
Kill yourself disgusting chinksister

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842977
It's definitely possible for a failed black company like Anycolor.

>>76843129
That's good, let's see if she keeps it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I already watch too many vtubers to bother with them. That seems to be the general opinion even of the existing Niji EN fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843129
I always read Klara as Kiara with an incorrectly capitalized i.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843746
Fuck, me too. It always confuses me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
They chose to sign up. Either they knew the risks and didn't care, or they were too stupid to do any research on the company they're applying to. Neither possibility makes me feel sympathy for them.

I won't watch them, because Nijisanji EN is a fucking den of snakes and I refuse to support the company in any way after what it's done.
I also won't actively hate them, because they cannot possibly have been personally involved in any of NijiEN's internal misconduct.
I do not give a single fuck about those three, and will continue to not give a fuck until the day they leave that toxic workplace (and hopefully go on to find a healthier environment where they can actually succeed).

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843746
Same lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843702
This wave probably appeals more to people who don't watch NijiEN for this reason. I have absolutely zero interest in the rest of the branch except for Rosemi and Vivi so it's pretty easy to keep up with the new girls.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sure there were good Nazi soldiers just following orders too. Doesn't mean we let them off the hook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>Male
>JP
>Amateur
Nah

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842916
literally impossible, her wave has a male in it, she HAS to interact with him and occasionally collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843885
>Pretending to hate Japanese vtubers in a Japanese hobby
where do you people come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843962
That's not what I meant and you know it

Her second stream was a JP one that easily broke 1k ccv, now her EN content is going to hit 700 max, and she's going to mistakenly believe JP gives better numbers.

In one month, at least half of her schedule will be JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843952
Reread my post, anon.
No male collabs excluding all-gen collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843952
Ryoma is the oldest member of NijiEN according to Twisty. Dude is streaming MTG Arena right now. When sisters tried to ask him if he likes BL or groom him into homobaiting he said he's not into that stuff and just totally ignored them to talk about cars instead.
This is how you do male vtubers who aren't sexpests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843885
>normie male, peak bro experience
>english/thai native speaker who learnt other languages for fun. actually sticks to her big sister maid keyfabe
>unironic retarded 18 year old, let's her chat guide her as she rambles about kid stuff
your only options outside of this kino are cock obsessed homocollabers or fujobaiters. you might be gay, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
why don't you tell your evil corpo to give non-clique members chances and opportunities, hmm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76844878
>Normie male
Was a sexpest since before he even debuted
>all that
Maybe, if she keeps streaming in EN
>child
Who was already being bugged by Aster since her fucking 2.0

It's gonna be more of the same shit

Don't forget Luca already outted the way the niji males shark-circle all the new girls that come in

[Anonymous No.]

No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76845529
>Was a sexpest since before he even debuted
The random ASMR guy you retards accused him of being actually streamed during Ryoma's debut. It's literally impossible for them to be the same person. Ryoma doesn't even do ASMR and has stated he has no interest in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76845529
>you're retarded if you can't tell those tweets were obviously fake
>she streamed twice on sunday, once in jp and once in en
>she refuses to acknowledge aster as a male and says he needs to wear his female model and act like a girl if he wants to collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843607
I love you anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>Niji
>Post-Zaion
>Post-Selen
>When it is known you can bail on joining, one month before debut
Hell no, they have already told the world they're as subhuman as their fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry, I just can't watch Nijisanji knowing that it would support the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843129
Yeah just like every other nijien girls.
Even Vivi and Fraudsemi, the two examples nijifags touted about caved in

[Anonymous No.]

>>76843746
Same, this seems to be a common occurrence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76845645
>Think he's slick for doing 180 and streaming recorded stream
Yeah, nah
He will be doing ASMR stream sooner or later, either because he needs the view or Elira mandated him to do so

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Krisis and TTT (minus Claude) are innocent because they had no idea what they were joining into.
These three saw everything go down, saw how Nijisanji treats its employees, and said "Yeah I want in on that." They deserve everything they get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Why? Niji's just going to drum up shitty reasons to kick them out and completely drop the ball in every way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76844235
Kind of based actually

[Anonymous No.]

>give them a chance
Watching vtubers is not a charity that you are morally obliged to give pity views to people. It's business where they compete for it.
Nijisanji the company simply has failed PR and made themselves look less appealing than the competition. They joined a sinking ship of their own choice. There's more vtubers than people have time for, it's not the viewers job to saviourfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76850686
Nope
If they're truly decent people they would graduate, or just do what multiple niji jp organs do, simply vanish into the ether without announcement.
If they willingly stay in an abusive workplace, 9/10 chance they're also abusers

[Anonymous No.]

>>76850821
Anon, nijisisters aren't trying to saviourfag the chuubas, they're trying to saviourfag Anykuro.
If this wave fails, there's big chance Anykuro also going under, or at least stagnating

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Perhaps they will improve the company from the inside and motivate their senpais to step up their game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
i don't think the astroturf is working

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Buy an ad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76844878
>actually sticks to her big sister maid keyfabe
it's barely been a week
they always drop kayfabe

[Anonymous No.]

>>76844878
>keyfabe
Hello pagpag sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>76844235
>This is how you do male vtubers who aren't sexpests.
>and then instantly 3view because men still won't watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>76850829
>Just stop working. Your bills will pay themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I'll give the blue cunny a try if anything interesting about her pops up /here/. Otherwise no, fuck them.
>Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76851900
Yeah, that's what called
>having a conviction
You should try it sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
If the new organs had talent, they'd have signed with other agencies or stayed indie.

So what's the point of watching the new Kurosanji hires, if not to pump up the EN branch's pathetic numbers?

And why would anyone want to do that?

Unless they're part of the NDF cult - or getting paid to shill. Either way, sisters gonna sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842782
anon did you run into a wall or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842602
Begsisters..

[Anonymous No.]

>>76852480
"Conviction" isn't currency, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Can't wait to see my new niji oshi get football teamed by the Golden Boys in a few weeks. Heck Yeah!

[Anonymous No.]

>>76851900
>Just stop working
I didn't say that though?
If Enna's boytoy could survive being a 3view twitch indie, what's stopping the so-called "good ones" from leaving kurosanji and return to indie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76851900
Considering how little money most are getting from this gig after all the cuts then yes, it's better to go back to being an indie because not only they won't have to give a huge chunk to a black company anymore they would also be able to farm good boy points with the people who hate Anycolor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76845755
>you love him but not me
WHORE

[Anonymous No.]

>>76852738
Let me guess, you're an unpricipled zoomer that never knows hard work

[Anonymous No.]

>>76852818
why are you surprised? That anon has always been a male collaber just like twisty and klara once the golden boys decide to sex pest them

[Anonymous No.]

>>76852803
>I didn't say that
>simply vanish into the ether
Not sure how someone "vanishes" while still working at their job. Also
>Some people don't need well paying jobs therefore no one does
Some people never have to work a day in their life, others have to work multiple jobs at the same time.
>>76852857
>hard work
>by quitting said work
Truly wisdom of the ancients

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
No, I want to see them collapse to being 2views, it’ll be funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76853226
Tell that to nijijp sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>76853570
To work hard by not working? Probably wouldn't be the best idea considering any normal person would know that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854006
>implying normal person streams as anime jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854006
I can count at least 5 "active" nijijp that hasn't streamed anything nor participates in niji events since 2021

[Anonymous No.]

You wanna know the truth /vt/?
I like the designs of both of the girls from this gen.
I watched a little bit of Twisty and I like her voice too. Haven't watched the maid at all yet though.

Why does Niji do this to me? Why won't they let me just enjoy some new vtubers?
>"W-well just watch them then!"
Not that simple. I don't want to watch them only for one of the stupid cunt females to collab with that faggot Luca at some point.

I have gave tons of Niji girls plenty of chances and it always ends up turning to shit. I'm not falling for that shit again.
SHE'S SO FUCKING CUTE THOUGH AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE THE DESIGN SO MUCH

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854604
You think you're sly, huh, sister?
Buy an ad

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854446
That's great, anon. I'm sure they're making their payments by writing "determination" on a piece of paper like your enlightened boomer knowledge recommended.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854817
Why are you acting as if Kurosanji is the sole provider of employment in this world sister?
Again, fucking Kyo made it works as indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854604
Honestly the most effective way to fight against the sisters would be watching the girls when they do solo or gfe or yuri content and not watching if they collab with males. Make it obvious to Anykuro through the Youtube metrics that you don't like male collabs. It seems like this time around they may have gotten the message with this wave though. The two girls are yuribaiting very hard and the only male is a normal dude and not a fag. People wanted an EN Yashiro and we finally got one. It might be too late though with Niji's current reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854604
>>76854939
Samefag niji intern

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I don't even know what they sound like, and I plan to keep it that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855020
Wrong but you're samefagging right here
>>76854671
>>76855020

Shut the fuck up nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Sorry but I only watch JP and Kotoka

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855063
>Both posts clearly have the same underlying message
No shit sister
You should still buy an ad though, not that it'd help with your latest wave

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855020
bot post

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854901
Why are you acting as if Kurosanji is the only abusive workplace in this world sister? Again, not everyone have the same living conditions.
Also it's against their contract to stream on their rm and Kurosanji makes their organs pay for "damages" they cause, like breaking their contract. Kyo doesn't have to worry about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
What's the fucking point?
They get graduated/terminated out of nowhere all the time, they get peanuts from the money you donate and their company steals from them.
Supporting them does fucking nothing, so I'm simply never bothering with a Niji

[Anonymous No.]

kek
niji interns fighting for their life itt

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854939
I'll think about it, I'll have a watch of them and see how things end up looking in the near future.
Not gonna give them any money for the time being though.

[Anonymous No.]

I kinda want them to be more successful than the old gen of nijis currently are, just enough success for seething, gaslighting and sabotage behind the scenes. Imagine they're pulling in 4-5 Finanas and 3-4x the revenue while the rest are barely making 1-2 Finanas. Then they get cucked in sponsorships and merch deals. But then again they're NijiEn so they can swim in the cesspool. Either way I'll be satisfied

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855211
Then they should return to their indie roots.
Also, good luck enforcing bullshit rules in the civilized world, intern-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

LOLI?! WHERE??

[Anonymous No.]

>>76851900
A fucking burger flipper makes more than a Niji organ

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854939
And why would anybody want that when there are superior pickings anywhere else, even without the Niji stain and Niji stench? History is already on the correct course, which is Niji remaining as a containment zone, regardless of what two more week anons think. Or at the very least, long enough for the sisters to diffuse into other dark corners of the internet, as opposed to spilling out into relatively managed fanbases in a rush like when Tumblr died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855366

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855469
Extremely sex design
I hate that this belongs to Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855518
she can take the top off too

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855469
OK SO WHATS HER OFFICIAL POLICY ON LEWD FANARTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855318
>unironic "graduation is always an option"
Kys Vox Kurosanji itself confirmed they rejected Doki's graduation request.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855547
her lewd art tag should be pretty telling

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854901
>Kyo made it work as indie
I sure hope he doesn't live in LA

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855603
>ToT

UUUuUUUUOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.]

I'm expecting the Kotoka Meloco move to be JPs via joining EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855593
Why would you play by the black company rules retard?
You could literally ghost them for years, plenty of nijijp has done it.
>inb4 fines
Riku don't have any power in the western soil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Luca is just going to force the girls to collab with him in a week anyway, who cares?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855617
Now imagine how much nijien organs get.
At least exniji takes 100% of their cuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>didnt drop like grimi did after seeing the black screen stream
nope

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck off niji interns, no one wanna watch your organs

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855603
Oh she's THAT desperate

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855712
Okay so tell me: why does every ex-Niji refuse to explicitly spill the beans on their contracts details? Pretty odd none of them ever mention Niji by name. The most explicit was Sayu pretending Zaion was a different person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855949
>desperate
you think it's impossible for a girl to organically like cunny? what are you, a kindred?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76853470
>No, I want to see them collapse to being 2views, it’ll be funny.
fair, but so would be making the top dog of the sisters corpo a fucking loli

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855617
kek. is she gonna retweet that? sincerely, like its an obvious twittertroon harassment bait for any artist attempting to do so

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855211
>Also it's against their contract to stream on their rm and Kurosanji makes their organs pay for "damages" they cause, like breaking their contract.
They are still allowed to stream on their roommate, you clown. And have you never been part of a contract? The damages have to accumulate an actual cost, breaking a rule isn't something you have to pay for. Homeless ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I'm not gonna give them a chance because I have no certainty they won't graduate, get terminated or be harassed to the point of complete misery and burnout by either management or the other talents. I don't want to get attached to something that won't last.

[Anonymous No.]

>maid seems okay, I like her voice
>check schedule
>game choices are ass
So close, but no dice. And if she's a yuribaiter, then hard pass

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856004
Stop being an idiot for a second and think, what would they gain from leaking their contract, retard sis?
If they do that, then Anykuro has cassus belli for going at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Yeah nah, they knew what kind of company they were joining when they signed up. Which means they don't care. They're just as bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856012
Too obvious, intern-kun
I really hope you're not getting paid minimum wage for this

[Anonymous No.]

>i don't play any games that aren't league of legends
D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856384
She's literally like 12 years old. The gamer of the group is Klara I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855690
God I fucking hope this happens. Abandoning EN will be a good thing in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

Its not that I think the new ones are bad people, from what one person shilled of the blue loli she also seems to be into films like Salo or A Serbian Film which is cool. And thankfully the dude seems to just be a normal guy instead of the rumor scammer. Its not like I hate everyone there since there still seems to be people like Scarle, Aia, Rosemi and Maria that seem to be nice people and are holding up the fort well.
But what NijiEN as a company did in February, that was just a massive breach of trust. And that's on top of the of the fact that they've been doing dumb stuff for ages up to that point while refusing to address it. It'll probably be a while before I can give them a proper shot again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I don’t want to support the corp, so no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855545
>Armpits
I came

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854939
>People wanted an EN Yashiro
i was one of those people at one point, his streams usually too jap4me but i watch him when its not despite i don't watch homos
already grown so jaded of nijien and my pessimistic mind sees him eventually give in to join and act like the rest of hanamori clique

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856107
Sorry, intern-chan. The contract was already leaked. They do have to pay and it doesn't have to be an amount. Even a stealth suspension will have you fined.
>>76856321
>what would they gain from leaking their contract, retard sis?
Let's answer your question with another question: what do they gain from everything else they've literally already leaked, retard sis?
Also, it's funny how you went from
>Riku has no power in the west
to
>Riku will personally rape them if they cross him

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856579
This is my view as well. I continue to watch Rosemi and Vivi and the new girls, but I have no interest in supporting Niji as an organization. If they manage to avoid major yabs for a year and get rid of the problem people(Luca, Enna, Millie, and Vox) then I might consider donating and buying memberships again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76854939
>People wanted an EN Yashiro and we finally got one.
おい、 こいつから殺していいのか?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856790
Tell me, oh omniscient sister, what are these leaks you're talking about?
Also, you clearly need lesson in detecting sarcasm because Riku couldn't even win the lawsuit against that dramatuber.
In fucking Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Giving them a chance essentially means giving Niji a chance, so not gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76857301
Sure. Here you go https://www.youtube.com/live/JJUy4pfwXLU?si=sd0MBimDwhj1fg6Q
>you clearly need lesson in detecting sarcasm because Riku couldn't even win the lawsuit against that dramatuber.
Prefect! So I'll ask again, why has no one publicly leaked the contract? Why does everyone need to be tongue-in-cheek when referring to their time in Niji? I'm hoping you won't dodge the question for a second time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76857889
So I take it you've never heard
>plausible deniability
before?
Sasuga chink sister.
This is clearly a different case than your dumbass rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76857889
Can you tell me who leaked this sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76857889
>why has no one publicly leaked the contract?
Sayu's NDA that she received and didn't sign from Kurokara directly references specific articles by their name and effect, proving the leak to be real. Not really sure what kinda argument you're trying to make.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even know who they are, link them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76856790
>They do have to pay and it doesn't have to be an amount. Even a stealth suspension will have you fined.
You're not even making an argument. You're just repeating yourself and adding more made up bullshit with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>76858396
https://www.youtube.com/@KlaraCharmwood
https://www.youtube.com/@TwistyAmanozako
https://www.youtube.com/@RyomaBarrenwort

[Anonymous No.]

>>76859169
Thanks. I want to fuck Twisty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76859169
Cute animation, shame it's wasted on evil fucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76858158
>dodges the question again
As expected from below minimum wage high school interns. They wouldn't need plausible deniability if there was nothing that could be done to them.
>>76858249
I would but, you see, Riku has no power over me as I live in the West. However, if I say who the leaker is, Riku will sue me into the ground. It makes sense trust me.
>>76858298
>be asked for the leak
>provide the leak
>"Why did you provide the leak?"
That and because the definitely-a-normal-niji-anti-that-also-defends-niji anon claimed earlier that organs can only be fined if they cost Niji a tangible sum of money. The contract disagrees.
>>76858954
Intern-chan... your reading comprehension reps...

[Anonymous No.]

>>76859345
Sure, go ahead and show me in the contract where it says they have to pay for breaking any rule and it can be any amount they made

[Anonymous No.]

>>76859345
I still don't understand your argument or any of your points. This whole reply chain is just confusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
as long as nijiniggers exist, won't ever watch nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842916
>I am waiting 2 more weeks.
So are the shareholders. Just a bit more than 2 weeks and 4 hours until the Q4 report is published.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76850829
"Willing to stay?" Or "trapped by a contract and not being afforded the opportunity to leave early?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>76860177
> Or "trapped by a contract and not being afforded the opportunity to leave early?"
Does this answer your question?

[Anonymous No.]

People are still giving this wave the benefit of the doubt, but if there is a next wave, anyone who is in that wave is undisputably evil

[Anonymous No.]

>>76859565
I just did.
>>76859570
The tldr of my side is
>workers who unknowingly join an abusive company are not guilty of abuse for staying
>people stay at shitty jobs because bills don't pay themselves
>Nijisanji is a black company that can hold talents hostage, like they admitted doing to Doki
>Nijisanji can also fuck over their organs for any reason they see fit
The tldr of the retard anon's side is
>RIKU CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO THEM
>RIKU CAN ALSO RUIN THEIR LIVES
>EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS ABOUT NIJI IS FAKE NEWS
>CHINA IS ONE NATION
Did that clear things up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842457
Sammmeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.]

>>76860841
>>>>>>>>people
By their own admission they had
>SIX
>ENTIRE
>MONTHS
of pre-debut time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Joining nijisanji means they support a black corpo
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>76861007
The only thing that was cleared up to me is that you're both retarded. "Unknowingly" my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76861007
>unknowingly

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
i'm actually giving them a watch because the local browns are more annoying about it than usual. don't know how long i'll watch them for, thoughever
i like the blue girl's armpits

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>>76861007
>unknowingly
>literally the final trumpet
>implying niji has a salary like a burger flipping job
>implying it has tips like a waiting job
>implying they're not in it "for the long haul" in hopes of getting money from voice packs

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>>76861310
>>76861356
You got me, anons. I'm sure Mint, for example, knew exactly how evil Nijisanji was when she joined their first EN wave. Also Doki must've bullied herself into attempting suicide and Sayu abused and betrayed Sayu.

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>>76861716
Anon, Selen's attempt was one of if not the biggest yab in the English vtuber scene. There's no reasonable doubt. Unless you're pulling a "Listen if Epstein had an island, I'd have heard it on the news" bit.

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>>76861584
I hear Pomu's in it for the long haul. Not sure why she stopped streaming though... I'm sure she'll be back any day now

[Anonymous No.]

>>76861126
Oh then it's fucking over for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>76862208
what the fuck are you even talking about
my point was that vtubing at niji is an investment and they're not at risk of literally going broke because they're not going to be making livable money from it for months if ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I genuinely, and in a heartfelt way, feel bad for them and wish them nothing but the best.
But I shan't be watching.
lemme know if they leave, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76862076
Yes retard that's my point. People who join post Selen-gate know, people who joined before it didn't. Most people don't know about Zaion because of how small she was, how short of a time she was there, and her situation happening before almost all of Niji's cracks started showing. It's reasonable to either not know about her to begin with or assume she was an outlier at the time.

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>>76862076
Idunno. Selen getting fired is one thing but there are bigger yabs in the scene that people seemingly just forgot because either enough time passed or it didn't fit the narrative.
Off the top of my head, Idolcorp's whole thing with Kyoresu being accused of fucking her manager etc. And the Wactor shit where one of the girls was sleeping with the CEO to get more outfits. And Rushia's whole drama about lying to her fans about being married to an actual celebrity while being a gfe tuber. There's even Phase Connect with Pippa hanging out with an actual alt-right grifter who then tried to twist it into pretending he had sex with her and Phase panicking to blacklist him from interacting with her again.

In a vacuum the Niji thing is just a contract dispute that got amplified by Niji's awful handling of the situation. People should rightfully hold them accountable over it but at the same time the talents have no control or power in this situation. This whole thing just comes off as a tribalfag crusade using Selen's firing as an excuse to shit on people who are totally uninvolved. If you wanna harass Niji's management or Riku Tazumi himself or even Elira/Enna/Luca go ahead. But people shitting on Scarle or Vivi or the new girls for not getting involved is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76862735
Okay, but who are you talking about? This is a thread about the newest wave, people who have no excuse to NOT know given the fact it was a massive event, and they had no reason NOT to pull out prior to leaving as they weren't making a single dime in the months prior to their debut.

[Anonymous No.]

No

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>>76842401
They chose a black company and stuck with it after seeing how black it was. Zero sympathy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76844034
>going to mistakenly believe JP gives better numbers.
If it gets better numbers it won't be a mistaken belief though, will it?

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>>76862889
No wonder why you're confused. You didn't read the thread like you said you did. The anon that sparked this entire conversation claimed that all organs are equally scum for remaining at Nijisanji, not just the newest gen. I've said several times it isn't the workers' fault for joining a company that's shitty behind closed doors. Obviously someone joining a company that everyone knows is black deserves no sympathy.

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>>76862862
We could argue about bigger yabs day in and day out, the Selen one is a company-breaker for one of the biggest companies out there and technically one of the few "founders" still alive and thriving. Wactor doxxing it's talents, Idol's druggie fucking her manager, Pippa farming kiwis, all of these things are big yabs too but nothing even remotely comes close to the staying power of Selen's, and pretty much only Wactor would have been relevant to making an informed decision about joining if they didn't end up essentially shuttering their doors soon after. Theirs is an especially funny example because their newest debuts quit the day of their debut.

But again, none of that's comparable. They're all planes being crashed but Niji's went right into [important governmental landmark here] while the rest just hit mountains or small villas.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck off

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>>76863368
>Obviously someone joining a company that everyone knows is black deserves no sympathy.
Is that really the case though?
Do you have the same level of scrutiny for people who work at Walmart? It's not like anyone works at Walmart due to agreeing with their policies. They do it for an income. Working for Niji may have been their only opportunity. If Phase Connect offered Twisty a contract she may be streaming there instead. As a vtuber you don't have a lot of opportunities for growth.

>>76863466
I mostly agree that the biggest issue with Niji's yab is that it completely broke the trust not only between talents and managers but between fans and talents. The black screen stream completely shattered the faith people had in their oshis to not get involved in this shit. I understand people not wanting to watch Niji anymore after such a situation, if you can't trust your oshi then why watch them? However I think certain talents also covertly signaled their displeasure with the whole situation and should be looked to in a positive way. Vivi and Scarle pretty much openly shat on management, and even Aia was angry over how those 3 talents threw everyone under the bus just to slander Selen. Nijisanji EN is not a monolith and there are in fact good people within the company despite the rot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76863818
If it's for money, anyone can flip burgers or work at a grocery store and make more money than being at Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842457
Add in Hex and I'll definitely agree with you

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>>76864059
Being real most low wage jobs are more unethical than working for a vtuber company. I don't think Anycolor is feeding IDF soldiers afaik. If we're gonna be moral absolutists about this whole thing then I can't justify telling the streamers to "go flip burgers" with all the evils McDonalds has done to the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76864219
>IDF
rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>76864219
>comparing some Pepsi shit to literally driving a direct co-worker to suicide
Tell me you've never worked a job without telling me you've never worked a job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76863818
The problem with the Walmart comparison is that they're not commonly known. It's not like there's a retail community where people share retail news. There is for vtubers and Doki's drama was massive. That said MAYBE the newest wave could be spared some ESL sympathy since things get lost in translation/agendas being pushed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76864618
>That said MAYBE the newest wave could be spared some ESL sympathy since things get lost in translation/agendas being pushed.
If they had six whole months like was claimed in other threads of working behind the scenes, then there is absolutely zero chance to believe nobody at staff or other members have ever told them anything even remotely related to the incident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76864737
If they had joined six months ago, that would mean they joined before the Selen drama and therefore would be in the "unknowingly joining a black company" group I mentioned before. To reiterate: a worker is not at fault of abuse for unknowingly joining and staying a company that's abusive behind closed doors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>innocent
>niji
Pick one and only one

[Anonymous No.]

>>76865432
See >>76860559.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76864618
Eh, people have known that Walmart impoverishes and destroys communities for decades. Everyone hates Walmart but no one wants to stop shopping there. It's just that people are more emotionally invested in their vtuber oshi than they are in small American towns.
The point I'm trying to illustrate though is that where a person chooses to work isn't necessarily a moral failing. If they were working for Blackwater massacring babies or some shit then sure, but this is just vtubing. Doki just said on stream that she's happy to talk with anyone from her PL if they reach out to her first because she doesn't want to make them uncomfortable. It doesn't seem like SHE has any beef with 90% of the talents, so why should we?

Now this is different obviously for people that directly contributed to her bullying such as Enna, Elira, Luca, Vox, etc. But I don't think people who already have to suffer through working with those shitstains should also be bullied and made to kill themselves. Focus your hate to people who actually deserve it if you want to see vtubing improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
The only good niji is a dead niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>76865564
We don't know all the details right now and that guy can hopefully shed some light on it. If I had to guess, they probably sign an NDA before seeing the contract then choose to sign or not after reading it over. He must be under an NDA if he waited about a year to speak up and we know that Niji refused to let Doki, someone bound to a contract, leave until they decided to terminate her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76866384
Similarly, the only good Nijisister is a dead Nijisister

[Anonymous No.]

>>76866242
>Now this is different obviously for people that directly contributed to her bullying such as Enna, Elira, Luca, Vox, etc.
>Focus your hate to people who actually deserve it if you want to see vtubing improve.
These two points are completely at odds with eachother. Can you explain to me why they are? I'll do it for you.

We have no proof of who the bullies are, or how many of them there are. This isn't a defense, but this is a fact. For all (you) or I know it's only one person, or it's the entire company. Most lean towards the latter for good reason. Also repeating the idea that these people have any reasonable doubt just makes you seem like a shill.

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>>76866686
But we do know a specific detail: he was able to pull out a month prior to his debut specifically with the models that he has no right to have unless he was an employee AKA contracted at some point. Assuming the pre-debut 6 months is the norm, that means that this group had the exact same option as him. Assuming that the pre-debut time is only an arbitrary half of that AKA 3 months, that means he was able to pull out in an even tighter timespan where things would obviously be more restrictive.
There's basically not a single reason to assume this new group didn't know beyond your own delusions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
>joining Niji post-Selen

They are none of them innocent and they deserve their Finana-tier numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842457
this, that sexpest need to go

[Anonymous No.]

I want to see what the loli is cooking. Other two can die in a fire, they're certainly bad people if they joined Niji EN now.
Loli is probably bad person too but she at least has potential to provide some entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76866799
How is giving people the benefit of the doubt being a shill? I just don't subscribe to the bandwagon opinion. As for my reasoning for targeting those four:
Elira can be justifiably bullied for her actions in the black stream.
Vox can be justifiably bullied for his actions in the black stream.
Enna can be justifiably bullied for literally bullying Selen PUBLICLY ON STREAM in a collab Selen wasn't even a part of. Even Nina was visibly uncomfortable and tried to change the subject instead of laughing because she recognized how mean it was.
Luca can be justifiably bullied for being outed by his ex-mod as a sexual predator with receipts.
You can also choose to bully Ike(also participated in the black stream) or Millie(taunted Selen over her cover being privated).

>We have no proof of who the bullies are, or how many of them there are. This isn't a defense, but this is a fact.
Precisely, which is why I'm saying if you're gonna bully people, you should at least bully people whom we have actual proof of treating her badly or behaving in a way that is irredeemably shitty(Luca). That is NOT an endorsement of bullying the livers as a whole or even bullying any individual livers. It's just saying I can understand someone not liking Elira for her involvement, but I heavily disagree with the argument that Twisty is somehow "complicit" in Elira's shitty behavior. Working for a vtuber company doesn't make you responsible for all of that company's crimes. HoloEN are not responsible for the Mel manager rape arc or Coco being deleted to appease Zhangs.
If the argument is "We can never forgive Nijisanji for what they did to Selen" then the proper course of action would be boycotting talents that had some kind of negative affiliation with Selen, and management who maligned her. Pressure those people to clear up their involvement and possibly absolve themselves of blame if they are truly innocent. Not targeting people who have zero involvement in the situation whatsoever. There's nothing Vivi can say to get people off her back for the Selen firing, because she had no awareness or involvement in it. She can't provide any proof of her innocence when she never said a single negative thing about Selen. It's an unwinnable situation for her and it sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
The cows in a slaughterhouse may be innocent, but I'm not about to get emotionally attached.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
None of them are Hanamori or connected in some way?

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>>76867076
>Assuming the pre-debut 6 months is the norm
If anything I think the extensive pre-debut period was a policy they made specifically because of him. I believe Sayu mentioned talents are pressed to time to prepare for debut. That would line of with how Krisis was so rushed: him rejecting the contract meant they likely wouldn't have the time to find a replacement. I would imagine it's also probably the first time this has ever happened and they weren't prepared for it.
For the record, it makes no difference to me if they knew about Selen or not. I've been under the assumption they were the first gen to be hired after Selen's termination this whole thread until that other anon said they were hired 6 months ago. I have no proof for or against that claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76868228
The only one found so far was a sub-1k subs indie who never collabed with any EN vtubers. About as far from Hanamori as it gets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76855386
>>76852809
Leaving Niji early puts you in debt which you can't pay off flipping burgers.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V3uCVjduEg

cunny sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>76868470
How is Niji gonna collect that debt if you're not in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76868070
Sorry your oshi got caught in the crossfire anon, but you're defending the company before her. God I hope it's a her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76868470
>debt
What debt can you possibly have if they never paid you a single dime to go "nuh-uh, takesies backsies now!" with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76869044
My oshi is free of Niji rot, I just feel bad for the new people and some people I used to watch. I'm a hopeless saviorfag at heart.

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>>76868070
>Elira can be justifiably bullied for her actions in the black stream.
What actions? Being a mouthpiece for niji? If anything her "actions" were not her own, as proven by countless other examples of management skinwalking. This time they just did it literally.
>Vox can be justifiably bullied for his actions in the black stream.
See above.
>Enna can be justifiably bullied for literally bullying Selen PUBLICLY ON STREAM in a collab Selen wasn't even a part of.
So? That's just banter between friends. Nina being uncomfortable doesn't mean Selen was uncomfortable.
>Luca can be justifiably bullied for being outed by his ex-mod as a sexual predator with receipts.
I'll be honest, the bit ends here because I can't actually give any kind of retort to Luca specifically. My point being that nobody can say definitively who the bully is, but since Kurosanji themselves confirmed it was at least one liver and we have reason to believe it's multiple, you cannot say things like "you can also choose X or Y because or A or B reason" as there's a reason for literally every single person in the entire company, even people who are no longer a part of it. Barring Scarle apparently. And that's the problem: YOU want people to "pick and choose" who to support because someone you like is being "wrongfully accused", but you cannot prove beyond any shadow of doubt that they are or aren't one of the at least one and at most 30 or whatever the fuck is the entirety of Niji's bodycount now bullies.

That's why significantly less people are buying things, that's why viewers are falling, that's why the reputation is slipping. The only possible way your argument could fly is if either Doki or Niji told us exactly who it was and exactly what they did, which is never going to happen, thus every viewer/catalognigger has to assume the worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76868344
ok
just curious

[Anonymous No.]

It's been months. Anyone worthwhile knows that Selen exaggerated the fuck out of her "harassment" for maximum pity points which was the ammo Holofags needed to run their campaign. These fuckers were never going to watch niji in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>76869786
>That's why significantly less people are buying things, that's why viewers are falling, that's why the reputation is slipping. The only possible way your argument could fly is if either Doki or Niji told us exactly who it was and exactly what they did, which is never going to happen, thus every viewer/catalognigger has to assume the worst and boycott the entire branch.
Forgot the last part of my post, sorry.

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>>76842401

[Anonymous No.]

>>76864606
I don't know, someone killing themselves when they have the easiest job on the planet makes them sound like a giant pussy

[Anonymous No.]

>>76869786
>The only possible way your argument could fly is if either Doki or Niji told us exactly who it was and exactly what they did, which is never going to happen, thus every viewer/catalognigger has to assume the worst.
I mean, that's to Niji's benefit to spread the hate to all the talents so they can blame the talents for underperforming instead of blaming management. The stance of boycotting every liver because we don't know "the truth" really is just the easy way out for people who don't want to think about the situation.
Yes, my opinion on who can be justifiably harassed is entirely my own. I'm only making the argument as someone that used to watch a lot of NijiEN and thinks there are some good apples still there that are suffering from being stuck between both sides.
Vivi was being harassed by LuxNoc sisters for simply being upset over the NBA collaboration excluding her. If you post about her in /NijiEN/ now it's suddenly assumed you're a shitposter for...talking about one of the livers under NijiEN. This is how female Niji fans operate, they WANT the livers to be perpetually scared of harassment for "saying the wrong thing" because it makes them feel important for being able to ruin someone's life over petty bullshit. I feel bad for these girls who just want to stream and cultivate their own community without participating in all this drama but saying "nothing" makes them get harassed by Niji antis while saying anything will get them harassed by Niji fans. It sucks for them and it hurts me to watch it happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Twisty once again proves her below-amateur level of understanding of streaming with the worst audio settings I've ever heard

https://www.youtube.com/live/_V3uCVjduEg?si=Sy2Cwtg_40wNxoIe

[Anonymous No.]

>>76870783
Her audio sounds fine to me anon.
I especially liked when she was calling the monster a fat ojisan and laughing at him. Really triggers my urge to rape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76868898
>>76869108
Are you twelve?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76870468
And herein lies the problem and crux of things that I don't think you want to face: we have a list of people we both can agree are definitively vile people: everyone who was in that black stream. But just think, consider this possibility for but a moment. What if Ike was not there? Would you have ever assumed he was one of the bullies? I wouldn't have, he and Selen got along like a house on fire. What about Vox? They've worked together plenty of times, Nijicursed alone has enough laughs to fuel Monsters Inc for a generation, to say nothing of their professional work together too through events like the Minecraft thing. And therein lies the biggest issue. If someone who, to pretty much every viewers eyes was friends with Selen, shockingly turned out to be one of the worst parts of this whole bullying operation... then how can you point definitively at any given person and go
>they're one of the good ones
The answer is simple.

You can't.

You want to, you desperately need it to be true, and I was in your exact same position up until a couple months ago myself, but this is the reality you have to face at some point. At risk of sounding like some Redditor who just learned what the word parasocial means, you don't fuckin' know these people. It's pretty much only TTT that's objectively innocent in regards to Selen specifically, because they weren't around long enough to cause that kind of long-term mental damage, but that's really it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
idk what their contract terms actually are so I won't actively avoid them if they reincarnate. just lol at watching any Niji stream for non-research purposes, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>76862401
The latest wave has earned less in LIFETIME superchats than an average fuwamoco stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76871312
I mean you can't know anything definitively, but you can come to your own conclusions based on available evidence.
>Matara is friends with Mint and Rosemi and views Doki positively enough to participate in her Wrestletuber event.
>Mint is on good terms with both Doki and Elira and still decided to not only collab with Doki but was the one to reach out to her first.
Because I have so much faith in Mint as a person and a streamer I choose to trust her love for Doki and Matara. From that I can infer that if Mint likes Matara and Matara likes Rosemi, then Rosemi is probably "one of the good ones."

You're right, we have no idea what these people are like behind the scenes, but if you have any faith or love for your oshi then you should trust them and their choice of friends. It's also valid to trust no one and just view vtubers as pure entertainment. Up to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76871862
But Matara is also still friends with Millie and Enna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76871972
Actually this is apparently not true. Recently Matara said the only person from "Hollywood" she still calls a friend is her "Rosie Friend"(Rosemi obviously). She clarified that while there's a lot of people she gets along with professionally she's very selective of who she considers a friend. If they won't reach out to her for anything other than work then they aren't really a friend. She met up with Enna/Millie a few months ago, but apparently doesn't consider them that close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76871972
And Mint has always been close with Elira, no idea what anons point is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872323
Mint insinuated on her rm that she hasn't talked to any people from Niji since leaving. Even Elira/Rosemi. This was months ago though so maybe things have changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872436
Yeah but she was pretty clearly very close friends with Elira prior to Niji and up until she left. There's no way she didn't know at least some of it was going on either but that's a different conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872694
I don't think Elira had any involvement in bullying. Her complicity seems to start and end with the black stream. She was feeling overly protective towards the branch because she's the "daisenpai" and fell on her sword thinking it would protect others. Then it completely backfired when she found out management coerced her into it with lies and bullshit. But that's just how I see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872856
>I don't think Elira had any involvement in bullying. Her complicity seems to start and end with the black stream.
biggest cope in this entire fucking thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872856
That's a hell of a lot of consideration considering what and how that black screen thing happened.
I guess we'll find out when the branch folds, but who knows how long that could take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872856
If it backfired when she "found out management coerced her with lies and bullshit" then why did she never once say or hint at anything, or even just straight up quit after they tricked her into bullying a suicidal friend of hers, a decision that has straight up ruined her internet presence forever? You're giving her far too much credit for no discernable reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Course it's the famelira screaming about don't boycott the entire company lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>76872894
Well, I don't think Mint would remain friends with Elira if she were in fact involved in a harassment campaign against Doki. Or rather, I don't think Doki would want to reconnect and befriend Mint after the fact if she felt that Mint was friends with one of her bullies. So the only logical interpretation is that Elira had no involvement. That doesn't mean Elira isn't guilty of playing manager and using it to give herself more merch than anyone else, but that's a different conversation.

>>76872959
If you want to be charitable to Elira she probably isn't allowed to "quit" since other livers have said they need to get their graduation approved in advance. She may also feel coerced into sticking around to "protect" the branch because the more people leave, the worse off it leaves the ones who stick around.
I don't know or frankly care, I feel gross even defending Elira here and am only doing it out of consideration for my oshi being friends with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76873233
>Well, I don't think
trust me, we can tell

[Anonymous No.]

>>76873233
Anon Elira said in her own stream that she volunteered, she saw information she knew she wasn't supposed to see, and was right there next to and supporting people like Vox and Ike in their psychopathic slander against a "friend" who tried to kill herself. If she felt even a SHRED of guilt about it, we'd have fucking heard about it by now. To say nothing of how you're putting words into multiple peoples mouths about how you think they'd act in your little fantasy world.
You're delusional. Never post using my oshi again.

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[Anonymous No.]

>phoneposting
As if the famelira couldn't get any worse.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm giving the blue one the chance, and its boring the fuck out of me. how can a girl with such a cute voice do this? god knows

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
They made their choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>76874242
I think she truly had no or very little experience streaming before getting into Niji. I'm enjoying her deadpan reactions to horror games though. It's pretty hilarious in contrast to how often vtubers exaggerate their reactions to scares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
cute design
maybe if they go indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
I give all nijis a chance, new and old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76873233
>Or rather, I don't think Doki would want to reconnect and befriend Mint after the fact if she felt that Mint was friends with one of her bullies
at this point I don't even know if Doki understands that she was bullied, or to what extent.
The woman was fired over one of her little unity projects for fuck's sake. My rrat is that whatever she was journalling ended up being MUCH worse to an outside observer than how she thought it was, either due to her being naive or brainwashed or whatever, and when Niji saw she had receipts they fucking freaked and cut the cord immediately.
Hell, even Sayu's willing to hear people out still. Whatever crazy kool-aid they're serving at Nijisanji, I wouldn't be surprised if Doki's still trying to wean herself off it too.

[Anonymous No.]

you guys are all faggots and you KNOW twisty is a gift from the heavens and you WILL watch her after niji, fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
EN is just a shortcut for the super competitive JP side.
All of these will switch to full on JP streams in about a month. Same as Kotoka/Meloco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76877531
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>76877531
Why would I watch her after niji if I never watched her in niji? If she stumbles into my feed after her graduation this time next year I wouldn't be watching the her after niji, I'd just be watching some vtuber that was coincidentally niji's dumpwave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76877750
Only one of them even speaks Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76866799
>We have no proof of who the bullies are, or how many of them there are.
I disagree, Elira already outed herself, Millie, and Enna. And Enna already has demonstrated to be an asshat on stream. We may not have a full list of them, but its relatively easy enough to assume who.
I still am tempted to give some new Nijis a chance, if only because Doki is mature and has gotten back in touch with quite a few. Plus you have people like Vivi and Kunai openly hinting on their PLs about getting in contact with Doki/Mint, which only adds to that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Once Elira, Vox, Enna, MiLLLE, Reimu, Luca, Aster, Uki and Ike quit, maybe I'll consider it

[Anonymous No.]

>>76879152
>We may not have a full list of them, but its relatively easy enough to assume who.
The implication of a "full list" falls through pretty easily with Ike. Prior to the black stream nobody expected him to be a part of the bullying group, him and Selen got along really really well, but after it happened it was made explicitly clear he's a part of it. Along with everyone else in that video obviously. We had a "good" turn into a "bad" live on stream, and that makes it complicated for the 20some others in niji who're total unknowns. If it's relatively easy enough to assume whose black and whose white, then tell me. Is Maria guilty or not? Finana? Scarle? Alban? Doppio? Meloco? Any of the other people with unknown, for lack of a better term, alibis? You can't give an even slightly definitive answer on most of the company, nobody can. There's only a handful of people you can point at and say they're total cunts like Elira and Vox and a handful of people you can point at and go they're innocent like Mint or Vivi and Kunai. And that's the problem.

Bringing it back to the end of another of my posts, the fact that kind of leeway even exists is why fans are leaving Niji enmasse, because those retarded suits didn't realize confirming bullying was happening while also leaving it open-ended whodunnit in a "family" setting like NijiEN was the worst possible thing they could do. Everyone is both a bully and innocent until confirmed otherwise, and when confirmations are few and most of said few confirmations aren't exactly going to reach outside of /here/ get combined with a fanbase that doesn't even wanna risk accidentally supporting evil, you get a mass exodus of Niji's own creation.

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>>76877531
There's dozens of loli baiting vtubers. I'll give her a chance if she doesn't fold to Manjisanji for several weeks.

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>>76880182
she is an actual child ripe for grooming in her dead chat

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>>76880182
yeah but how many of them are an actual child

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>>76880275
That blanket? Me and my hairy chest.

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>>76842401
let me know their PL and when they go back to them and I'll give them both a chance
>watching males

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>>76880333
they picked up a literal child from the street she has no pl

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>>76877531
key word: after
until then, not a chance.

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>>76880425
That's why she's the most reasonable choice for vtuber who understands the culture best of them all? LMAO the state of niji.

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>>76880553
just say you're gay and don't enjoy teaching a child about the world and how to be the perfect streamer for you

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>>76880275
>sister is actually falling for the loli RP bait
oh dis gun be good

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>>76880676
You might want to reread.

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>>76880727
>sister
>encouraging loli rp
you're so fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.]

Man, I'm not reading all these damn essays. Just don't bump the thread, ret@rds.
You do know how to not bump, right?
ಠ_ʖಠ

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I wish Klara wasn't streaming at fucking 5am today

[Anonymous No.]

>>76880866
...Twisty?

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>>76844235
this real? dude really did that? IF he is a real bro I will watch him, he keeps it up and I might even sub lol

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>>76883377
It might be best to wait a month or so before committing. Once he sees how little money he's making because the only people who watch NijiEN these days are fujos/chinks, he may end up changing his tune.

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>>76842401
I gave the maid a chance but her song cover is just bad that I lost interest immediately.

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>>76884047
Bitch literally said that Enna is her EN oshi. That should be enough to arrive at any conclusions about her character, or lack thereof.

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>>76883556
yeah that's the plan, if he doesn't fold I will stick around

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Since when did /vt/ turn into reddit? Oh wait,
r/VirtualYoutubers has been getting /vt/ screencaps for weeks now so it's basically one and the same at this point.

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>>76884373
>turn into
/vt/ is one of the youngest boards, it's been r*ddit since its inception.

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>>76842744
>>76867368
they most likely joined before the Selen stuff. you overestimate how fast most companies move.

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>>76842624
>GFE
>NijiEN
>FPS player
wew

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>>76883556
It's sad if he has to turn to that since Vanta seems to have whatever remaining brotuber audience is in NijiEN. Fucking ACCELERATE, man, it's depressing to think about.

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>>76884317
I mean I guess to be fair Pomu and Selen are no longer options, but jesus christ she likes Enna? That tells us everything we could possibly want to know. No pity in the fucking slightest even if she turns out a 2view, we're not even talking if she's "holo material" or equivalent/hopeful or something, she's not even small corpo material. She's right where she belongs, and can gleefully sink with the ship. Twisty I dunno yet, but I haven't been interested enough to check.

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>>76842401
>male collabing whores
>innocent
lol
lmao even

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>>76842401
nope

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I don't blame them for joining, the indie industry is fucking brutal and literally any corpo is a good opportunity of kickstarting your career. That said, I won't support them because that would only help Nijisanji.

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>>76842401
Did you join Niji to waste time?

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>>76884317
Oof
At least the loli was smart enough to oshi laplus

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>>76884317
>Bitch literally said that Enna is her EN oshi
thats a wrap

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>>76884317
And I almost got weak. Thanks for the heads up.

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>>76842401
Anyone that joined after what they did to zaion became public gets no mercy from me.

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>>76873233
>I don't think Doki would want to reconnect and befriend Mint after the fact if she felt that Mint was friends with one of her bullies.
>so the only logical interpretation is that Elira had no involvement.
I think I know who you are just by this phrase Anon. No. Plain No. Does Mint even interact or hint about Elira now? We'll know when she goes to JP with Matara and talk about who they met there. Given that she was in the forefront of that black smear campaign means she's involved. Doki being friends with Mint doesn't automatically mean Elira had no involvement just because she WAS friends with Mint.

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>>76897695
>We'll know when she goes to JP with Matara and talk about who they met there.
Elira isn't in Japan anymore, she's been back home in Canada for over a month.

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>>76897695
The biggest question in this whole drama is how the black stream came about and how involved those livers were in smearing Selen. We still have no fucking idea because none of the participants have referenced it since it happened. It also sounded like they had a gun to their heads reading a script, so it's hard to tell how guilty they are or if they were just coerced by management.

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>>76844878
...
or watching actually good vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>76842401
Buy an ad.

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>>76867481
you say this yet no one bats an eye at the holostar who actually groomed a minor.

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>>76897695
On one hand, I feel really bad for the Weewas trying to come to terms with their oshi being a vile stain on the industry. On the other hand, they need to nut up and move on. Either she was always like this and hid it well or she changed. Doesn't really matter, this is her reality now and the mask doesn't fit anymore.

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>>76850230
>>76843746
>New Niji member constantly reminds people of the superior company
Kek

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>>76842401
>Sex with maid
>Cums in maid
>Maid sighs and asks politely you warn her before for next time
>Makes no attempt to clean herself but instead uses her fingers during pullout to keep all the semen in
Hot.

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>>76884317
>Enna is her EN oshi
I'm not even going to ask for a citation, I believe it.
>>76897695
>I think I know who you are just by this phrase Anon.
So then say it, we're not discordniggers and they can't find you out. Saying "durr hurr I know who you are but won't say it" just makes you look like as big a faggot as that woman.

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>>76900384
>It also sounded like they had a gun to their heads reading a script, so it's hard to tell how guilty they are or if they were just coerced by management.
Never understood this argument because it outright says they're shitty people who don't have the moral integrity to tell their boss
>I'm not going to punt my co-worker and friend down at her weakest point
>and potentially send her spiraling to her death again
>the fuck is wrong with you?

>inb4 you wouldn't do it at your job
My job isn't one where my name and voice inherently has a value. I'm just another wagie in the cagie, the worst thing Niji could have done to Elira is also the best thing they could have done to her: fire her and give her a buff for the rest of her indie career.

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>>76897695
>Given that she was in the forefront of that black smear campaign means she's involved.
nah bro she's totally innocent she was forced to say she volunteered haha

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>>76842401
>please give them a chance.
they will soon be intertwined with the greater mess that is NijiEN
no point in investing time and peace of mind on them regardless of how entertaining they are

[Anonymous No.]

Nah just wait they'll reveal something that proves they were meant for niji along

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>>76862862
>>76863466
>>76863818
Selen getting thrown under the bus was absolutely the biggest EN yab because of the damage it caused to the Nijisanji, second would be Wactor and their doxing of talents which destroyed the brand to the point they had to be restructured, but Wactor was still a small corpo.
NijiEN was considered a direct rival of HoloEN at a time, but now almost all their livers are STILL bleeding subs from the fall of what happened to Selen, how the others stabbed her in the back and the soft conformation of Elria's clique.
NijiEN is not going to recover the ground they had unless they totally restructure like Wactor did.

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>>76910876
>reveal something
Joining niji after selen's termination is that revelation, anon.

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>>76909222
Die bullied or live long enough to be the clique. At this point, Elira's probably down to rule over her kingdom of useful idiots and sycophants because what else is there beyond that for her?

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>>76915791
It's kind of fucking telling how the people who didn't join that secret gc stream ended up being the ones who left due to bullying. How many people confirmed skipped out on that stream, again? Anyone left other than maybe Rosemi or Scarle?

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>>76915933
holy shit I totally forgot that stream even happened

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>>76842401
Providing any of the organs with any kind of support is the same as supporting the entire company, including their practices that allow people working for them to be bullied nearly to suicide. There is no distinction between which ones are good and which ones are bad, because support for any of them provides a concrete economic benefit to Anycolor. If there were a way to only support the organ without providing any monetary support to Anycolor, then this argument would hold water, but there isn’t, so it doesn’t.

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>>76842401

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Innocent my ass

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>>76855086
>Kotoka
....

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>>76922954
>isreal
Can't wait to see this on the catalog someday soon.

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>>76925274
A lot of vtubers say they like Enna and then are nothing like Enna. It's not really noteworthy.

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>>76925574
>liking enna
>as a new debut
>after selen got bullied
>with enna being a known bully
Was one of your grandparents a mechanic? It's the only way to explain the lead blocking your neural pathways.

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>>76925990
If this were a westerner I'd agree with you but if you check Japanese social media they had no idea why people were upset over Selen's firing. The presence of rrats about bullying and the clique and Enna/Elira is totally foreign to them.
I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she just liked Enna casually and barely watched any NijiEN before getting accepted.

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>>76926200
She joined EN, she apparently had 6 months of pre-debut time, and now she oshi's Enna.

She's one of them anon. Elira has more reasonable doubt than her.

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>>76926200
They're both relatively massive but moderately different cases so let me make a comparison. You and I both know about the Miguel saga, at least enough to have the cliffnotes on the most important events. But you and I are not applying to Hololive, hell I only watch maybe three people across all its branches, but she's someone who actively applied and passed the auditions specifically for EN. She has practically no excuses of not knowing.

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>>76925574
>Liking a sociopath
Yeah, looks like the newest gen is trying hard to ingratiate themselves to the clique

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>>76926200
>NijiJP fags are brainwashed corpo cucks
You don't say