/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So with Nijisanji bleeding subscribers and the Idol chuubas jumping ship, is it safe to say that as long as Sakana doesn't fuck something up that Phase Connect will solidify itself as one of the big 3 EN corpos by the end of the year?

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>>76786115
I fucking hate Phasefags. KYS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
Nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
Brave and VSPO are looking to put serious money into the EN branch, and both are 4 times phase's size in japan so who knows.

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>>76786115
What makes PC bigger than Vshojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76787167
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

Hubris is often a result of ambition.

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>>76789057
It doesn't. We are autistic with a few idiots. But at least we haven't gone fully retard lately. Never go full retard. OP is wrong vshojo is larger although I heard Twitch is about to fuck people over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76789057
It could be bigger than Niji by the end of the year.

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>>76790165
Twitch will very likely do just that and make an about face on content policies yet again because of it.

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>>76790165
>although I heard Twitch is about to fuck people over
???

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>>76793148
Just pricing things on Twitch I don't use it but everything must go up, up, up. Reminds me I need to update spreadsheets.

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>>76786115
I don't think they'll be in a "Big 3" until everyone is a 4vu.
Until then, they can just be a distant third.

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>>76795520
Oh, that. They announced that a while ago and the price increases are like, next to nothing. It's not a big deal

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>>76786115

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>>76786115
they're growing pretty well and they're well-received. keep up the good work, fishman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76795734
People count NijiEN as part of the big 3 right now.

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>>76789057
>one of the 3 big en corpos
Just needs to be bigger than everyone else, not vshojo and holo im assuming, illiteracyanon

>>76786115
Does any other ceo just barge into a karaoke stream and end it

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
Nah - It'll just be Hololive and the rest. Vtubers just haven't been able to grow their audience in EN after Covid

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive and Nijisanji has absolutely massive JP branchs. Phase Connect's attempt at a JP branch has been disappointing

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>>76789057
Vshojo is more a collection of indies than a real vtuber company. Phase is a vtuber company. They at least try to follow the model of idol groups, do company events, and subgroup stuff. From a numbers point of view, Vshojo chuubas are bigger, however, as a whole, Phase feels like a real company in the style of Hololive.

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>>76786115
>big 3
>big
It can be top 3 but it's by no means big.

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>>76786115
Phasefaggots are getting uppity lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Pippa will say something stupid
Sakana will make another dumb decision
Clara will never be Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
4*
They are not even close to beat neither vshojo or nijien get real

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>>76801126
Id say theyre equal to nijien at the moment. Nijien has loads more subs, but those don't necessarily translate to income or views

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>>76786115
>all these talents not good enough for a real OffKai panel or concert and have to perform in the lobby
Literal 3rd rate company. HoloLive would never humiliate their talents in this way.

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>>76801704
True and nijien death could happen soon, but somethin in phase still feels amateurish for lack of a better word, merch delay, rotten coffe beans, if nijien dies tomorrow phase is not filling the power void

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>>76786115
Ehh, perhaps

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>>76786115
phasenigger cope

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>>76802689
merch delay is usually because of Sakana doing the packing himself. if he hopes for Phase to grow he'll have to hire subcontractors to take care of merch.

[Anonymous No.]

I will never understand why small corpo fans hate each other. What is there to gain?

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>>76802689
>if nijien dies tomorrow phase is not filling the power void
Accurate. It's more likely that the power vacuum will simply equalize and nobody will fill the void as the void itself will vanish.
The EN market really isn't that big. Nijien was already rotting away slowly because the market is well and truly saturated. Phase will always be one of the bigger small corpos but they're not going to go up to the level of vshojo and hololive.
When nijien dies the market will simply do what it was already trying to do and contract a bit.

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>>76786115
They're working on it but they have a long way to go. Phase kind of popped out as the biggest of the small corpos but that doesn't really make them a big corpo. They've been lucky to get attention as other major players in the industry (mostly Niji but pretty much everyone else too) have made mistakes while they've for the most part avoided any major controversies. However they weren't really positioned properly to exploit that attention. Their merch game was extremely weak, it's getting better but there were a lot of missed opportunities. More and more of their girls are pull 4view streams on their own without raids, some consistently but others aren't. They're getting a lot of exposure and collabs with bigger vtubers in the indie scene which is raising their notoriety. Their JP branch is full of some of the most underrated talents in the industry but they're in a market that's so incredibly over saturated and even if the ENs get over it's gonna be a long while before the JPs do. I really hope Sakana doesn't end up abandoning them because they have a ton of potential. Phase is probably the only legitimately medium vtuber corp in the game. I'd say ultimately, if nothing goes wrong in a few years they could be a legitimate big corp. They just have to keep the momentum. The end of this year is optimistic but not impossible.

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>>76786115
It already is if we're only talking Youtube. But if we're talking about definitively beating Vshojo, it really depends on if the charm offensive is going to work on the ghost maid free agent that it seems like they are currently pursuing and have gotten into orbit. That's a little more uncertain though. I think if Phase has more 4views then there is a case to be had. Niji falling to #3 is a bit more likely by years end if they can't stop the internal exodus though.
>>76788467
This is really the main issue. Sakana is making money but he's been so far doing the prudent thing of making small investment and generally not splurging on things he thinks give him too small of a return on investment or a loss at all. This may change at Offkai but having no 3D at this stage and size is kind of a downside for joining them. Brave Group has enough capital to catapult themselves past PC with attracting talent and holding probably the best number of opportunities for people in the industry aside from Hololive right now due to that capital they will invest in you with 3D months into your career and etc.

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>>76809060
I don't expect them to beat Vshojo at any point with the stuff we know right now, or at least not without vshojo imploding or something.
Thenagain, 2 years ago pippa was a 2view so who knows what the future holds. Maybe they'll snag an absolute powerhouse or three who makes enough money to pump back into the company to propel them to the moon.

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>>76809168
For some reason, Phase has gotten the most Niji refugees despite not being that connected to that corpo too much. I would've imagined most especially the fairy fans would've flooded in V4Mirai given the CGDCT thing and leaning into GFE/RP but they didn't benefit nearly as much.

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>>76809275
Phase fills the dead hours somebody is always streaming

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>>76809275
I've seen plenty go to v4mirai, especially due to nova and the I think vampire(?) having the same artists as pomulen, and then the chuubas actually being entertaining in their own right, but phase I think is a lot bigger and more developed right now since they got there first.

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>>76809275
I think part of it was that Phase appeared to be "the good corp" The talents had already spoken prior to the shit hitting the fan that their cuts were pretty fair, they clearly have a high degree of freedom and Phase has been open about it's early struggles with management and the things the company did to correct that to the benefit of the talents. They positioned themselves as an anti-Niji that people could feel good about supporting.

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>>76786115

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>>76809168
Powerhouse, eh?
Free agent ghost maid is the ideal candidate but that would only be a thing if VShojo fails to snag her first. If they can also get rose lady then yeah, they'll be set.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
>doesn't fuck something up
>chink ceo
not happening, chinks and jews are not very different when it comes to business, give fish some time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76809729
Nah, Mint is too big right now for phase. I'd sooner believe Doki to pull her into a 2man cliquecorp than her joining phase. Rosemi seems on the table, though.

Sayu would likely be a good fit since the girls there all love her, and she could seriously benefit from a support system and friends there, though every time people bring up phase around her, she starts talking about finances. She's terrible at keeping secrets so whatever financial or IP contracts is going on with phase as an invader has her spooked and seriously reconsidering things.

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>>76809969
>too big
Which makes her perfect for Phase now as that would definitely push Sakana to start pushing 3Ds and other things to improve the company. Of course, it depends on whether Doki decides to make a cliquecorp or not. Rosemi fits best in Phase if she decides to graduate.

>Sayu
she's a ticking time bomb that it's best left alone.

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>>76810168
>she's a ticking time bomb that it's best left alone.
She was fine before niji. She's a little broken now, but she'll be amazing once she's healed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76810198
she's best left to her own devices. she'll never get over her short time in Niji properly.

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>>76810198
Some things you can't really heal from. Sayu has some massive trust issues and something of a victim complex. Like I'd love to believe she just gets into Phase and feels loved and supported by the girls and gets to a better place but it's just as likely she self sabotages and creates a whirlwind of drama and shit that takes down everyone else with her.

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>>76810263
>>76810259
Fair take, I guess.
I'm still gonna bet on her, though. I like her vibe.

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>>76809060
Sakana is running a business, not a venture capital money furnace

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
Phase's fanbase will drive away any potential growth

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>>76810720
this. as soon as the VC money runs out vshojo is done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
I kneel.

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>>76789057
Vshojo is a group, not a corpo. They were never in the running for big 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
>Ember
ex camwhores can't be idols

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>>76801704
>Thinks phase brings more money than NijiEN
They don't bring in more money than Vox alone, Phasecuck. Come back when you have a NBA collaboration

[Anonymous No.]

>>76816761
They'll probably drop you the moment they realize you almost bullied your own chuuba into suicide.

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>>76802689
You're missing punctuation.

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>>76817544
>Thinks the NBA gives a single shit about internet drama where a nutcase woman accuses the company of being evil
Now I know you don't know anything about the NBA.

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>>76789057
First, many anons are correct in asserting that Vshojo is closer to an indie coalition like vDere and 3am than a full-blooded corpo like V4Mirai or Idol.
Second, Nijisanji is critically underperforming in the west. If you WERE to count Vshojo, NijiEN would be under them. Phase is persistently gaining ground and has multiple vtubers that average in the same weight class as NijiEN's heavy hitters. It ain't just Pippa carrying the entire company anymore, and NijiEN has lost most of its best competition, either to the talent graduating or to scandal inflicting the entire branch with Algorithmic Death Spiral Disease. And before you go "oh but the newbies won't have ADSD! It'll be fine!", they're currently hitting in the same weight class as mid-tier /lig/gers. Not exactly the kind of big company draw the branch needed.

This time next year, Phase will be #2, #3 at worst. NijiEN will likely be out of the running, if not absorbed entirely. Idol, Production kawaii, V4Mirai, what's left of V&U, and the 20 branches Brave will probably put out between now and then will all be competing for the remainder of the Top 10 slots.

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>>76816761
The NBA collab isn't profit.

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>>76816761
NBA is for exposure on both ends, not profit.
Don't come back until you have a degree in Marketing, clown boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76818108
You're right, it's recognition AND profit. Normies don't particularly give a fuck about corpo drama

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>>76818165
>Thinks the NBA Niji merch won't sell
Kek. You think phase is getting a slice of exposure because Niji is successful? Good joke. Phase will never be apart of the big 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>76818054
PK, Idol, and V4Mirai will collapse by the end of this year, screenshot this. Nene and Roca are the new Phase Invaders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76818054
As a Phase fan I don't think we'll become number 3 in terms of size but we're on a definite upswing that'll continue. The basic point is that Nijisanji is filtered out out of any serious considerations in EN vtubing and is becoming and will be increasingly irrelevant. The entire corpo is pure poison from within and on the outside and that's not going to change and they themselves made no effort to change it. Any chuuba with an ounce of sense will stay away from it, and any fan of vtubing should as well. The number 3 spot won't just be filled by Phase but probably three or four small corpos which will collectively have greater clout and viewership. You could even say that the EN vtubing scene will be HoloEN, small corpos and big indies. This is a great thing because it'll be quite a lively scene with lots of content and flavors to offer. The death of Nijisanji is a good thing for vtubing. The only problem is that the hive of Nijisisters will now do what they're already doing - being a nuisance and trolls against every other corpo. Their cultish behavior and malice are already evident and they'll continue trying to spoil the fun for all other vtuber fans.

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>>76818054
>First, many anons are correct in asserting that Vshojo is closer to an indie coalition like vDere and 3am than a full-blooded corpo like V4Mirai or Idol.
In terms of their contracts sure, but in everything else that matters, not really. If you were talking about late 2022/early 2023 Vshojo maybe, the members then were all big indies who barely even interacted, today it's increasingly people who debuted as Vshojo members, they mostly collab with each other, play on the same servers and get together for events. You also have a fanbase that's there for the Vshojo brand specifically and mainly watches Vshojo vtubers. It's obviously not as insular as Holo or Niji but it's still ridiculous to arbitrarily disqualify them so that Phase can take Silver.

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>>76786115
>CEO fully admits he has very little interest in the concert/ idol performance side of vtubing
>all of their 3D ventures have been trainwrecks to say the least, with the upcoming one looking to be the same way.
>new EN competors like this anon mentioned >>76788467 are having full on concerts and performances with advanced tech an good attendence
If they dont want to focus on that aspect of vtubing that's fine, but I dont think you can truly be considered a top corpo without one of the biggest parts of the industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
from a couple weeks ago.
phase is doing very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76789057
they’re not and never will

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>>76823108
>twitch
lol
lmao

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>>76823178
break 2-4k ccv first and get out of the minor leagues before you talk to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>76823007
How is Remi making less than Michiru?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76823007
and people wonder why Idol talents jump off the ship and Phase is the most stable EN corpo,

[Anonymous No.]

>>76823178
your entire shit eating group of whos gets fucking solo’d by a TTS tranny stick to fighting nijisisters you arent ready for the big boys yet

[Anonymous No.]

I cant find phase here anon care to help me?

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>>76823007
>No Nijisanji males or Reimu
Interesting chart there, Phasecuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>76823729
comparing males to females is apples to oranges.
this is Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76809532
Being third place for a small corpo is an achievement

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>>76810168
>Which makes her perfect for Phase now
Please don't tell me you guys are delusional enough to believe Mint has even a 1% chance of joining Phase when Mouse, Henya, and Matara love her. Mint staying indie, joining DokiCorp, or joining VShojo are all better options for her.

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>>76823843
Talking about that month in specific, phasecuck. I guess having Reimu's 3D mog phase wouldn't be good for the agenda

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>phasekeks want mint because she will literally double the average ccv or phase
sad

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>>76823957
No, that avg includes her $2500 stream. So she is at $277 per stream with that insane 1 time bonus.
it is over the last 30 days, not just start-end month

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>>76809275
If you mean we have sisters shit posting us on the regular it's been that way for months now.

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>>76810168
don't be an idiot, Mint & Doki have hit the Indie scene by storm. Sayu has done really well for herself but sisters need a scapegoat for all their problems and have marked her again.
If NijiEN does disappear though I agree the power vacuum won't necessarily absorb their remnants. The sisters who are left are awful and will follow the cliques next identities.

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>>76824043
the sad thing is the one Phase girl who is actually good friends with Mint don't poach beg they just want Mint to be happy.

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>>76817882
NBA would actually pay attention to the JP yab about mixing sports drinks and alcohol though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76824043
Fish is courting 3 girls right now for invaders but nobody has any idea who yet.
Only thing known is that negotiations have been going on for awhile so they might be bigger than some of the other girls.

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>>76786115
>Phase Connect will solidify itself as one of the big 3 EN corpos by the end of the year?
I dont see it happening anytime soon especially when the in their 3 years of existance the highest number of audience they managed to pull is 7k and that was pippa fleshbaiting with her foot
They might have had a chance if their jp branch was successful but thats not the case

[Anonymous No.]

Phase has inclined more from the 2022 Homostar debacle than any corpo. A lot of ex-Holos disillusioned with Cover switched over, myself included. Another massive tab / graduation from EN will tip the scales further towards Phase dominance, especially so since Phase is still rapidly inclining while HoloEN is completely saturated and attempting to just hold onto their fan base now. Here's hoping one of the big hitters in Myth like Gura, Ina, or Mori graduates and gives Phase another boost.

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>>76825090
The NBA doesn't give a fuck if their players do drugs, why would they care about alcohol?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825165
look at the 5 invaders he has recruited.
literally none of them were name players
they couldn't even get lisa.

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>>76818054
I follow Phase and I believe the next competition will be the big JP branches having their own EN expansions. VSPO is Brave's flagship brand and could take Twitch over rapidly depending on the girls skill levels. The problem on Twitch though is they are more accepting of the dual flesh nature and not really the idol type of vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76787167
fpbp

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>>76825266
It's the age group numbskull. Karins execute any kind of yab more than the toxicity of /vt/ could ever achieve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825369
Why would Karens care about Vtubers drinking alcohol?

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>>76825250
hey look it's another thread of numberniggers, nijisisters, and catalog browns falseflagging as Phase fans to meet their tribalistic shit-flinging quota for the week
you're not very subtle but I guess if you samefag and falseflag enough subtlety doesn't really matter

[Anonymous No.]

phase won't be number 2 in the EN sphere with Vshojo around and that's fine kek. phase has massively inclined this year and should be pretty happy with where they are in comparison to most other 'small' corpos that still exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76787167
They're responsible for 90% of catalog bait threads, because their only avenue for growth is shitting on other corps.
>>76809275
>>76825250

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825542
hey anon look here's another one >>76825712

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825289
Lisa admitted on stream fish never made an offer to her lmao

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>>76802689
>OH NO MY MERCHLERINO!!!!! NOT MY MERCHLERINO!!!!!!!!! UNPROFESSIONAL!!! WHERE'S THE CORPORATED FEEL
Corpocuck.

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>>76818054
>>76800833
>Vshojo member: no, we are literally a part of a content organization. No we are not indie
https://youtu.be/BTyZ4YeDjbU?si=CL9DyHw_VanzzKVd
>Retards on vt: Vshojo is indie cuz it fits my rrat. I am not pulling this out of my ass

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>>76825511
You don't even know the yab? Niji management inserted a slide into a JP presentation regarding mixing alcohol with a new brand of sports drink their livers were promoting. Who do you think are the target audiences marketing departments would specify when it comes to vtubers?
Big Hint for the entire point with NBA: They aren't going to give a figure for how many grown men would watch vtubers rather than play an actual sport.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825712
you tell em sister *snaps fingers

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825542
next you're gonna tell me BVTM isn't a phaseshill account and exists just to give poor innocent phase fans a bad name

[Anonymous No.]

I've never seen a good post with a jelly pic attached to it.

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>>76823957
here is an updated one. included some YT indies and hololiveEN girls to give a clue on how healthy things are

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>>76826163
>Aia mogs Doki
Grim. Nijigirls are still beating out Doki post wrestling Collab buff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76826163
Remi, Nasa and Pico really deserve some whales. Too bad I'm just a brokeboi.

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>>76826163
Phase looks very healthy to me. JP not doing so hot tho.
Them trying to present Clara as a JP despite her clearly being an EN chuuba and having an EN audience in an EN timeslot and getting EN raids is not helping any of her genmates or her branch at all. Clara is not drawing new Japanese fans to Phase.
That is a fundamental failure.

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>>76826391
At least doki gets sponsors lmao

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>>76826873
JP has always been very low, Sakana seems to be willing to hold on to them forever though. All of them are really fantastic talents but they're just drops in an ocean that's saturated beyond belief.

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>>76825800
Vshojo *feels* like a collection of big indies, nobody claims they are

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>>76826873
yeah but it makes Clara look like a star We all know if they put her in japan golden hour to where she doesnt get all the end of day raids and most of the english fans are at work, she would be right there around Loki

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>>76816750
... you do know about holo jp talents right?

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>>76827200
Sakana is putting his JP branch out to die again. Again, they are all in on Clara, but she is a failure of a JP ace because she is not bringing in new Japanese viewers that will then spread to her genmates. That is her burden to carry, and she is more worried about doing collabs with Airi and hanging out with EN and trying to get their fans instead of finding her own.

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>>76786115
look man as a phase connect fan (jelly is my oshi) the company isn't in a position to become part of the big three, jelly, panko, clara, tenma, and a few others can pull a 4 view naturally but it will take years to get a single chuuba to a high 4 view, phase just needs to keep its head down and keep grinding while niji collapses and hololive stagnates.

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>>76827719
the only 1 of those that can pull 4view on her own is tenma.
panko makes phase connect no money, either. she is a middle of the pack talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>76820625
Removing the toxicity of niji may turn out good for the fanbase, but it is also likely to shrink the space. I don't actually think Holo wants Niji to fail. Holo may get a cut of the audience, but it will also likely cause overall less viewers in the scene, and less new viewers entering the scene as well. Also, from an uninformed investors perspective, seeing 1 of the 2 big corps disappear is also not a good look.

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>>76827719
Phase Connect obviously isn't holo or vshojo, but they are rising past NIJISANJI in real time.

They have an overpowered IP in Pippa.
They have very strong proven depth with Tenma, Shiina, Lia, Lumi, Clara who can all deliver big streams, big collaborations, make good money for the company. Some of those girls like Tenma and Lia have gotten 3000+ to show up for their streams that are just them by themsevles no debut buff, no outfit reveal, no collab, no raid it's just them and their content. That kind of stuff doesn't just happen to every small corpo vtuber. Phase has the spark.

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>>76826873
Is Clara an EN timeslot? Isn't she usually around 1-2am est?

[Anonymous No.]

>>76828292
not uncommon for her to start at 10pm pst

[Anonymous No.]

>>76828292
She is a West Coast Americas night timeslot and EU morning one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76828355
9-10 pm pst*

[Anonymous No.]

>>76828292
she usually starts when pippa ends and gets those + the other raids
it's smart and pumps her up individually, but it is not helping her branch at all.

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>>76827889
This is a really old-fashioned way of looking at it. It's just inevitable that there's going to be some turnover in a really young industry like vtubing. Imagine if the same couple companies who built the first airplanes back in the early 1900s were still the major manufacturers now.
Anyway, Niji will be fine, it's just the EN branch that's dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825800
/vt/ keeps arguing how Holostars isn't Hololive when staff, hololive members, holostars members and even the CEO have said Stars are Hololive. Jesus Christ himself could appear in front of some anons and tell them and they still would refuse lmao. That's the level of delusion /vt/ has. Literal children putting their fingers in their ears going nah nah nah kek.

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>>76825684
i’ll give it a year or 2 for “big corpo” status you guys already have pippa with 3d right? for the en scene at least I consider you guys already 3rd now

[Anonymous No.]

I think it is telling that Phase Connect, who started as an outlaw 2view company nobody gave 6 months to live, legitimately is in the discussion and has a seat at the table with NIJIEN.
no EN corpo has climbed like they have. Plus, no EN branch has crumbled quite like NIJI has.

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>>76828527
Her raids into her genmates does help but usually, they aren't streaming at that time so some indie like Peo and etc. get her numbers. She's pretty inconsistent in that regard. But irrespective of her, the JP branch of the company is doing pretty okay, not great or gangbusters but better than you would expect from a non-Japanese chuuba company.

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>>76808231
Pretty much this, they got lucky in a time in which in HoloEN wasnt streaming and NijiEN kept blasting its own knees. Kawaii and Idol had the same chance but Kawaii's 3rd gen walkout and Idol's Riro scandal permantently stunted their growth while Phase's only corporate yab up to this point has been the ownership of Yuri's IP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
Phase is the best company out there, hololive is old and busted

[Anonymous No.]

>>76809275
Where do you think most people went to when Luxiem debuted? Phase Alias was a turning point for the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76790247
Sadly nijiJP is still going strong and doesnt seem to be affected by the EN branch more than just some western fans running away

[Anonymous No.]

>>76826873
What I don't get it the fact that phase had an entire music brand thing going on last year, and now they have talented singers like runie, a perfect idol performer/singer with clara, and even an experienced mixer/producer with a long track record in Jelly to make them look even more legit.

Yet it feels like they completely neglect all of this and just treat their talents like expendable staff instead, for example fishman constantly using clara for JP translations. Numbers aren't everything, and until they commit to the other parts of being a large vtuber corpo they can never be considred one.

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>>76801840
They have a bunch of offkai panels tho lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>76827839
Panko pulls 4view on her own all the time, watch streams you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>76827839
EU curse, they don't donate.
But she does pull 4view on her own very often so you're full of shit.

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>>76830308
>watch phase
lol no

[Anonymous No.]

>>76830535
stop talking about what you don't know then

[Anonymous No.]

>>76830308
So do about 15 girls.
Panko is a middle of the pack talent.

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>>76827839
To be fair no one who streams in the EU timeslots brings money in. Panko does bring numbers though, along with Tenma.
Panko has some serious shit antis, holy fuck. I don't even watch her because I'm at work when she streams but I never see people going so hard on anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76788467
>Brave and VSPO are looking to put serious money into the EN branch
Brave's EN branches are popping off, Phase death incoming any day now

[Anonymous No.]

>>76830858
10ma destroys Panko they dont belong the same sentence. Panko is closer to Remilia than she is to Tenma that is how big the gap is. She is just another girl in Coffee Connect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76830651
>>76831228
NTA but pippa, tenma, lia, uruka, lumi, shiina, panko, jelly, dizzy and clara. that's 10 girls who often pull 4view on their own, including panko, and there are 27 talents total.
are you a seething femanon who wanted panko's spot in phase or?

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>>76831486
panko is #4 in her gen alone.
I challenge anybody in this thread if they go to the offkai con, take inventory of which girls have merchandise at these vendor booths and which ones do not. the ones that do are the ones that matter because they register in the conscious as important. you won't find anything more than a panko sticker.
when i went to acen, i didn't see any panko. i saw plenty of pippa and a decent bit of tenma, lia, shiina tho

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>>76831756
you're full of shit bro, panko is 2nd in her gen, and 1st one is shiina (who got lucky with shorts but i'll give her that).
at cons you only find pippa merch anyway, everyone just sells big indie stuff or hololive, so what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825761
>>76825289
>>76825165
Some of Sakana's rumored targets are high 3view/low 4view phasefriend indies

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>>76832004
NTA but Airi is leagues above Panko and waaaaay more valuable than she will ever be. The extra 100ccv she sometimes gets does not outweigh Airi make 6x the money Panko does. Plus Airi has her thing with Clara. Panko is battling Hime for #3. It is debatable between them.

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>>76832004
>at cons you only find pippa merch anyway, everyone just sells big indie stuff or hololive, so what the fuck are you talking about
this is not true at all lmao
this con cycle tenma, lia, shiina and sakana have all picked up a lot of gear being made of them. shirts, pillows, pins, hats, plushies etc. panko isn't there yet.

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>>76832065
>pcg headcanon
uh huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>76832131
more like extra 500, and without raids, but sure, you can keep believing whatever you want, that's what antis are for anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>76832249
Lumi also gets a lot of merch at cons

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>>76832355
lmao
one of these is panko. the other is airi. airi could take the next 2 years off and panko still would not match the money airi has already made phase connect.
panko is a middle of the pack talent in the 12-15 range. whether you look at that as an insult to her, or a compliment to how strong phase is, that's you're call.

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>>76832131
why does airi get so many superchats anyway? it's not like she goes full GFE or anything.

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>>76832781
so what if Airi makes literal double the money, you can't put a price on those 28 extra viewers Panko has

>>76833075
model babby + she is an expert at baiting donos. I have lost count of the sob stories between car breaking down to computer to black job to credit cards being stolen and she needs to pay the fees

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>>76832781
i'd say, all factors considered from subs, views, money, brand importance (they can be listed in whichever order in said tier, but they are same tier is the point)
>sakana
>pippa
power gap
>tenma
gap
>lia, lumi, shiina
gap
>uruka, clara, dizzy, jelly, airi, muyu, runie
gap
>panko, ember, eimi, hime

[Anonymous No.]

>>76833075
She is kind hearted, big titty, very innocent and somewhat naive pretty Asian woman

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so monkeys moved from numbering ccv to numbering supas now huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>76832781
>a dozen posts say Panko can do 4view easy all the time
>her average is in the 800s
every.
fucking.
time.

[Anonymous No.]

NTA, but

>>76833186
> you can't put a price on those 28 extra viewers
They literally put a price on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>another Phase catalog thread turns into numbermonkeys falseflagging and power ranking the Phase girls for some reason in a pathetic attempt to make Phase vs Phase a thing
Genuine question, what do you guys gain by doing this?
What is your goal other than being annoying?

[Anonymous No.]

>phase vs phase

[Anonymous No.]

>>76833860
>>76833873
how it usually goes
>thread about anything happens
>phase schizo shows up
>start listing off talents biggert and better than whatever the topic at hand is
>brown panko schizo slips panko in there as bigger than her genmates
>this inevitably upsets another schizo
>panko schizo loses his mind and says she's almost as big as tenma
>lol
>gets hit with numbers
>runs and seethes
i have seen this happen a dozen times and it always plays out the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>76833075
Airi stream during/post US prime time which is top SC. Panko gets all the europoors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76832781
raids

[Anonymous No.]

>>76834142
except you're that schizo panko anti

[Anonymous No.]

>>76833617
>muyu that high
??

[Anonymous No.]

>BVTM and Kiwifags are your core audience

A ticking timebomb rumao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76834745
>Kiwifags
But most of those weirdos hate anime adjacent things

[Anonymous No.]

>>76826163
Is that superchat only? Some of those get a ton more money per Streamlabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76834789
They love pippa.

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>>76834142
Tbf it's always schizos shitting on Panko for no reason and upsetting Pankophiles, or at least that was the case every single time I walked up into a thread like this one.
Panko has annoying antis, it's a fact, and this alone tells a lot about the "who's relevant" topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76834142
Wait untill the Lia schizo comes in and starts talking about how she is the pillar of phase.

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>>76809275
all of the fairy fans that were into CGDCT left long long before she did. Pomu hadn't been a CGDCT vtuber since Luxiem debuted, the big influx of fans small corpos got came around that time. A ton of Phase fans were old Lazusydia fans that left after Luxiem started ruining the branch.

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>>76786115
I'm not gonna bother reading the thread, but that's my oshi in the top right!
Loki-sama love!

[Anonymous No.]

>>76825761
Thats fucking crazy

[Anonymous No.]

Phasefag here, please stop the incline I just want to stay comfy as a small / medium size

[Anonymous No.]

>>76830949
hmm, now why would you use globie and not v4m, this is very curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>76839809
globie is the endless shrimp of Brave's EN market ambitions

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
idk, they have a couple of pretty strong girls, but it feels like that fame doesn't trickle downwards, the ones who are in the shitter, really are in there.
I don't see how they can continue to grow when in actuality is like 4 people carrying the entire company. Not that there's anything bad with it, but I doubt people would hype Hololive up, if it was Marine, Pekora and the homos only, people would just say "Marine and Pekora are popular" not "Hololive is popular"

[Anonymous No.]

>>76836539
No.
We will see the dissolving of Nijisanji. We will see the toppling of Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76840765
Niji is still the biggest vtubing company anon... that their EN branch is doing poorly at the moment doesn't change that they're the biggest by quite a bit when it comes to Japan

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>>76840690
Define fame. They have a handful doing what they can to try and get their company's name out there in various ways. Phase has a super duper star in Pippa. They have a handful that do what they can to get their names out there in new territory. Some of them are more insulated and aren't trying to make it happen outside of the small corpo comfort zone and that is fine. You don't every person in the company to hit every day.
If this were baseball and you were to make a starting lineup of 9 girls, Phase has a fairly strong 9. Is it hololoive? no. but they don't need to be. make a starting lineup of 9 from the corpos, and Phase's stacks up nicely imo

[Anonymous No.]

>>76826633
I'm still waiting to see if nasa is sticking around this time. there have been a bunch of cancelled streams lately

[Anonymous No.]

>>76786115
Stop dragging Phase into your retarded tribalfag number war

[Anonymous No.]

um akshually auroralivevr and a-soul and whatever other chinese agencies there are are the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6 etc agencies (if not number 1)

[Anonymous No.]

>>76826163
>Enna made 145 bucks in a month
>less than Millie
KWAB. Back to retail, sis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>76787167
Everything awful about phasefags can be linked to capipis, they are always stirring shit. Too bad she is the face of the company

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>>76823108

[Anonymous No.]

>>76823254
>get out of the minor leagues before you talk to me
NTA but who are you even, what makes you so special?

[Anonymous No.]

> phase’s thread
> immediately compare itself with other corpos and power-scale vtubers’ SC numbers

Every times. Like, i don’t know if this agency has the numbers to enter the big boy league. But i for sure know that its fans’ inferiority complex doesn’t make it look like one at all lmao.

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>>76818261
>big 3
big 1. Who the fuck are the other 2?

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>>76826163
>Finana
holy shit lmao