/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What is the downside of joining nijisanji?
>b-but their livers get bullied
There's no proof of bullying happening between the livers.

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[Anonymous No.]

2%

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>>75424657
>risking your life for 30k subs
You need to be the absolute bottom of society to accept that or a fool without knowledge.

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>>75424894
fpbp
also Claude needing a second job to pay for his family emergency, but he can't do freelance work.
Vivi can barely afford to eat.
Kunai's PL was flat out bigger than her Niji account.
The brand is toxic and you get no support. You're not even guaranteed to be a 3view anymore with people like Aster dropping dangerously low regularly.

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>>75424894
Pomu did more damage to nijisanji with that stream than anything the livers did with her "the bullying felt too real" comment

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>>75424657
are posts like these part of the accelerate campaign

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>>75424657
2%

[Anonymous No.]

fuck off nijinigger

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>>75425028
>The brand is toxic and you get no support.
They don't appear to be taking any steps to fix this image either. Which says a lot on it's own already.

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>>75424657
4chan and X fanart communities will make fun of you and spread rumor.

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>>75424657
They take too much of your money.

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w-what's the downside bros

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>>75426510
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
AAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Kunai has made 7k. After YouTube and Niji cut, that's about 2.1k. She has a total of 1m views, which when being INCREDIBLY GENEROUS, nets 10k in revenue, which I'm sure is also split between her and Niji. Basically her total life earnings are below 10k, and she's been at it for almost 6 months. She would legitimately have made more money being a cashier at McDonald's.

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>>75425067
>the bullying felt too real
What comment?

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>>75426510
Explain this in mcdonald salary

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>>75424657
what more "downside" do you even want from this SC

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>>75426820
Lower than line cook salary

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>>75424657

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>>75424657
They try to kill you with a drink mixing alcohol and energy drinks.

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>>75424657
Eat like shit, for starters.

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>>75426792
Her reason why she didn't participate.

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>>75424657
Getting scammed into paying the company's taxes instead of your own and almost getting you in jail.

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>>75424657
Next to no support unless you have a penis.

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>>75424657

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>>75427014
He's been doing this since yesterday, made 3 threads at the same time and then samefags to stop them from dying

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>>75427389
Is having a penis even a guarantee?

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>>75427502
Its impressive they're still losing subs

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/live/o65VwnQvWW4?si=MssTnxIVvu2f1UtN
Yeah no downsides, you can even leave any time you want!

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>>75428398
You gotta suck Elira's dick first.

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>>75424657
You are literally better off working minimum wage than getting into Niji.

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>>75427502
FINANA 500K SUBS SOON

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>>75429200
maybe Finaners will go desperate and start spamming asmr

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>>75429200
I need a CONGLALTULATIONS! for 500K for Finana

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>>75429348
Boy, would that be the day...

[Anonymous No.]

What kind of bullying? Sexual bullying?
>be Enna
>childhood trauma from sleepover
>hates gay shit
>joins Niji
>all newbies get sexually bullied
>Enna is forced to have lesbian sex with her senpais

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>>75424657
>There's no proof of bullying happening between the livers.

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>>75424657
No money? No viewers? Being treated like shit by the nipponese HQ? No future prospects? You pick one.

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>>75424657
>What is the downside of joining nijisanji?
Most gets less viewers than fucking cuckconnect nowadays you tell me sis

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>>75424657
the only livers being bullied now are the ones of the viewers

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>>75424657
Getting all of your shit stolen after leaving.

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>>75424657
Being Enna's colleague.

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>>75424894
Kek 4chan still lives rent free inside their heads

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>>75424657

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>>75427283
>Niji scamming talends into paying their taxes
Yea sure, it was definitely not Mika's indog brain at fault for not understanding how the japan-indonesia tax treaty works.

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>>75425028
>Vivi can barely afford to eat.
It makes sense why she cried after dropping her food, that's sad.

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>>75426510
Yey congratulations to Vivi for achieving 100k! Silver play button soon, right nijibros?

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>>75424657
You have to eat out Elira

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>>75434070
>downside

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>>75424657
If you want to promote a company you have to list the positives too. Right now the upsides are:
>can fuck a liver if you get in
>
Ok, other than that, I got nothing, but I'm sure OP has some positives to say too, right?

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>>75437064
It's still more growth that they'll have as indie. I doubt someone like Kunai, Vivi, Aia or Scarle can find an audience without Nijisanji.

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>>75437233
Kunai is quite literally doing worse now than before joining.

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>>75424657
2%

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>>75426510
>SC
Jesus Christ I thought it was fake at first, even the latest homo gen passed them and they debuted a month after

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>>75437233
That was before the Selen Shock. Hell, look at TTT even before that, they got nothing, basically no promotion.

Also, Kunai had double the subs in her PL compared to her Niji account so she clearly has the ability. Scarle has cultivated a loyal and rich, if small, audience that would follow her when she leaves. I don't know enough about the other 2.

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>>75437428
is that before or after taxes?

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>>75437233
Kunai from memory was twitch partner plus which means she had at least 350 paying subscribers on twitch. Twitch has a better cut financially because of the way bits work as well on top of no revenue sharing. On her PL Youtube account she has roughly 2.5x her current subcount as Kunai. She barely gets 350 viewers total on any stream as Kunai. She got absolutely fucked by Anycolor

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>>75437233
>I doubt someone like Kunai, Vivi, Aia or Scarle can find an audience without Nijisanji.
>Kunai
He doesn't know...

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>>75438016
that contract termination fee must be FAT for her to stick around

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>>75438053
Wasnt she also part of Hanamori, just like the worst of them? Maybe she just drank the koolaid.

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>>75424894
I always forget one of the names was slumsaint, that's fucking kino.

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>>75437596
>>75437787
>>75438016
Youtube subscribers are meaningless

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>>75438053
According to the contract it is literally every dollar you've made in the past year.

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>>75438360
Now read the second post you replied to again. Here, I'll highlight it for you.
>Kunai from memory was twitch partner plus which means she had at least 350 paying subscribers on twitch.
>Twitch has a better cut financially because of the way bits work as well on top of no revenue sharing.
Now tell me, how much money is 350 subscribers on Twitch over the course of... let's say a year.

Hell, I'll even do you a favor, you can bump it down to 300 and assume it is 100% of her revenue on Twitch!

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>>75438360
>>75438460
Subs aside, it's worth noting that she also had plenty of connections, particularly within the League scene. Assuming she hasn't burned all those bridges in the ~6 months since she joined Niji, I expect she'd have plenty of support to help her get back on her feet if she leaves.

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>>75437407
>>75437596
>>75437787
>>75438016
>management team is payed for by Anycolor
>access to network of artists, musicians and events
>potential merch opportunities
>potential event opportunities
>voice packs
Nijisanji offers more than just raw numbers.

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>>75433530
When you work for an international billion dollar company, and they tell you they'll handle paying your taxes, you generally assume they know about that sort of thing.

They either didn't, or didn't care.

Granted, you also don't garnish the paychecks of "independent contractors" for taxes either, so who knows where that money, half of which she is entitled to according to said treaty, actually went.

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>>75438053
Her and Vivi's PL twitters recently perked up to acknowledge knowing each other. Kunai's PL twitter in particular was privated before that from what I heard. There is a nonzero chance they might be on their way out.

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>>75438769
This has to be bait.
>management team paid for
What management? Nearly every single member who has left has said how terrible it was
>access to network of artists, musicians and events
Not anymore
>potential merch
From which you make 2%
>potential event opportunities
Repeating yourself but again, clearly not anymore
>voice packs
Many indies release voice packs, it's not unique to corpos

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>>75438769
>management team
The management that takes literal months to reply to emails?
>network of artists, musicians, events
the dwindling network of artists that aren't getting paid on time, thus not wanting to work with you anymore?
>potential merch opportunities
the ones that mostly get taken by the clique and only pay 2%?
>potential event opportunities
that get put in the backburner for a whole year or more, or half-empty karaoke concerts?
>voice packs
every other company also does this, why not go there instead?

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>>75438273
She's not listed as part of Hanamori. Might have still knew them, of that I have no idea, but not a part of the group.

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>>75438859
surely people just don't let the corpo "take care of everything" and don't do their own diligence on THEIR MONEY? right?

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>>75438769
>access to network of artists, musicians and events
If Niji doesn't block you from them, or these days, get blocked themselves.

As for the rest, none of that is anything you couldn't do on your own, and it wouldn't cost you half your profits, and 98% of your merch sales. ...or you could just sign on with Mythic or some similar sevice, get all of that for a fixed amount, and not have an insane management team controlling everything you do and canceling your projects.

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even if i was going into vtubing and was desperate for views i'd join phase connect before kurosanji thats how terrible their reputation is this days when the insane asylum has better rep ...

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>>75438769
>anycolor """"""management"""""""
I asked in another thread months ago when it first started: NOBODY could provide a SINGLE MEMBER of any branch of nijisanji who had a strictly positive thing to say about their management. Not a single one. Not from JP, not from ID, not from KR, not from EN, basically all that's left is VR and from what I understand they're totally disconnected from NijisanjiJP even moreso than KR was.

So I'm asking you: find me one quote, a single quote, from the dozens of people who left that can even remotely be construed as "I really liked working under Nijisanji". The nicest thing I saw was Lulu saying she likes watching them more post-leaving, which is as backhanded of a compliment as it gets.

[Anonymous No.]

>kunai only streams part time because she had to get a wagie job since Nijisanji doesn't pay well enough

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>>75424657
You will get shit merch and barely any cut from it. Riku will steal your play button and put it on his wall.. You better hope you can get along with Elira and/or Enna, because if you don't, you'll get no support from the company and all of your projects will fall through. Everything you use for or in your job can get taken by Nijisanji as per contract, yes, even your cat is legally theirs. Upsides, uh...... it isn't Phase Connect?

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>>75439144
I will give them that before the merge, ID actually had good managers...that got because of the merge, leaving the ex-IDs with the skeleton team of high school interns

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>>75439058
When your employer handle handles your payroll tax, do you check that they actually did it? How would you even do that?

She was still filing herself, she was just stupid enough to take Niji's word that they were paying. They were taking "taxes" out of her paycheck, so why wouldn't she assume that's what it was going towards? How would she have even known before the government told her?

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>>75439144
Just so you don't have any excuses:
https://youtu.be/RruVzWCy6xM?si=v9JLuPc0v8gV3lso

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>>75439515
>who left

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>>75438769
>management team is payed for by Anycolor
Management that decided to do zero promotion of her gen
>>access to network of artists, musicians and events
Where's her songs? I mean their gen song isn't sung by her or her genmates
>potential merch opportunities
Do you really think the slop that Niji pumps out is hard to get made? Do you seriously think she didn't have her own merch on her PL? I'm looking at the Niji store and her merch is a) an acrylic stand. b)a voice pack c) a badge. Acrylic stand? - go to fucking taobao, 50c a design, min 50 orders, a voice pack costs fucking nothing. Maybe an hour or two at a recording studio. Badges - a badge making kit is about $50 with enough supplies for 200. It's 5 bucks for 200 more. Go to fiverr and get a design for $5
>>potential event opportunities
6 months now, where these opportunities?

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>>75439515
37 hours and Payday 2.

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>>75426510
Damn... no wonder Vivi started to cry for some spilled soup

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>>75424657
>What is the downside of joining nijisanji?
It would be cheaper and easier to just hang yourself than to pass through Niji's valley of suffering on your way to death. Nobody wants to be associated with that hive. It's a career ending move.

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>>75426820
If she was a McD line cook in florida she'd make $12.19 per hour, to make what Kunai has made she'd need 70 work days, or roughly working for 3 months, Vivi would need to work for 82 days or roughly working for 4 months. However this is not taking into account the Youtube and Niji cuts. If you do take them into account (and assume Youtube takes 30% and Niji takes 50% of what's left) Vivi would need to work 28 workdays in McDonalds to earn what she's earned and Kunai would need to work for 24 workdays.
However keep in mind that working at McDonalds full time also provides healthcare and 401k.

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>>75426510
Take that amount, cut it by a third, then take off somewhere between 15-40% of the remainder for taxes.

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>become a 3view shitter
>have the company take 90% of your earnings while you still get less than a McD wagie
>have to get constantly groomed by ugly SEA subhumans like Luca and the other faggots
>have to interact with horrible people like Enna and Millie

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>>75439144
They talk about liking their direct managers all the time.
It's the staff above those direct contact managers that everyone hates.

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>>75441466
If you look at >>75439515 or something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVV2YjVjaAM it's actually some very backhanded compliments. Selen talks about how asocial her manager is and how they had a nice talk, while Elira talks about how pretty her manager is.
No one talks about how competent or productive their managers are. When you consider that their managers are college students more concerned about their exams it makes sense. Imagine being an organ and your manager is some kid that needs to focus on their exam. No way are you going to start pushing them to work more.

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>>75425028
And now redditors flood the board.

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>>75444423
About 45% of reddit and 90% of vtuber reddit is just screenshots or re-written things from /here/ - that's been the case for years.

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>>75444423
damn nijisanji pay your livers, they're literally starving

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>>75424657
>There's no proof
that's exactly what an abusive dad/husband would say after beating his family in the right spots so nobody notices until one day he kills them

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>>75444624
If there was bullying between talents Doki would have exposed it to protect Rosemi. The fact that she didn't means that it's fictional.

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>>75424657
Crippling debt...

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What is the benefit of joining?
>management and support is non-existent, so you do the same amount of work as indie
>joining niji does not give clout anymore (look at TTT)
>corpo cut
>perms autism
>at any point you can be placed as a meat shield for management
What would you even get from it?

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>>75424657
Try and find out.

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>>75434587
I want to see the light of life fade out of her eyes.

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>>75445420
Humiliation and findom fetishes?

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>>75424657
Fuck EN, the majority of ID branch died out and either went indie or joined other corpos after the merger. That's like 12 people out of 19, in a span of ~1,5 years.
>>75424894
I'm out of the loop, what's that?

[Anonymous No.]

Someone show the comparison of Enna's birthday SCs last year vs this year.

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>>75445682
A stream in which some of the organs pretended to be /vt/ and insulted other organs who weren't taking part. It was Millie (I think, or Enna but I'm pretty sure it was Millie) who organised it and she was forced to take it down and apologise.

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>>75425028
>>75444423
Damn, I know that being an internet clown (even for grown-ups) is a job too, but it looks like these people are so fucking inept in anything else other than sitting in front of their PCs and opening their mouths that they are afraid of getting real jobs. Because if they weren't they would've had some sort of financial safety cushions in case of nijisanji not paying them their cut. Better yet, if they were smart enough (totally not the case here lol), they would have just quit, unless their contracts bound them to their jobs for a certain period of time.

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>>75445826
I never liked that comparission, because it skips over the massive decline that was 2023.

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>>75429109
I never understood the almost god like reverence for Elira. Assuming the rrat about her being a manager is true, all 3 lazulight members could speak nip and of the 3 she seemed the least approachable.

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>>75442110
What if Elira doesn't have a manager and is talking about herself.

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>>75445682
One of the most retarded acts of idiocy in the vtubing sphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2XZDyi7Vs
They were larping as a /vt/ thread to "own the haters" but all they did was just copy shit they talk in their shitty discord

[Anonymous No.]

Lmaooooooo, the amount of the continuous backlash Elira has been getting since the [OFFICIAL MESSAGE FROM NIJISANJI] stream judging by the dislike ratio is astounding. I mean she deserved it, but holy fuck.

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>>75446526
Finana can't speak nip, Pomu knew a little but wanted to get better at it. Elira, Petra and Reimu are the most fluent among the initial batch of girls.
The rrat comes from Elira being "besties" with Enna and Millie, Shu being a long time simp of hers, and goes so far as in as Claude also interacting/being friendly with her PL.
They had a group called Hanamori

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>>75446526
Finana is too stupid to take advantage of the management situation, Pomu too nice - a lot of EN owe their jobs to Elira as they were nepo hires from her former indie group.

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>>75446879
I thought Finana could speak nip. I'm sure I remember her communicating with some of the JP livers in moonspeak in one of their earlier streams.

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>>75446817
As far as this board is concerned, it's one guy that went absolutely schizo. It's either a dragoon eating too many rrats or the one guy from the very old "Nova you manipulative bitch" post finally feeling vindicated in either case I expect him to end up crashing and becoming a lolcow in the end
>dislike ratio
Shit's faker than peak viewership statistic.

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>>75444423
I feel bad now that it broke containment. I was exaggerating with the "afford to eat" thing since it was clearly a build up of stress and not about the food itself. I didn't watch the members stream itself and I can't confirm it either way.
>>75446145
Vivi's actual job prior to vtubing was being a damn good secretary... for a particular cool and mysterious spider who pays extremely well and is relatively popular. Kind of sad that she likely had to give that job up to join Niji.

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>>75424657
I would join just to fuck Enna. I would NTR that blue guy. I would force her to wear vibrators while streaming. I would make her late for meetings due to sex and then cover for her. I would force her to graduate and raise our children.

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>>75447052
I'm sure if she was given a piece of paper to say something in Japanese she could pull it off. But have an actual conversation or read off a prompter in something that isn't romaji? Doubtful

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>>75445682
>>75446766
It was so, so fucking bad in hindsight. I wasn't that deep in the community back then so I was just confused, but it was... really bad. Even worse now with real context.

Which makes it kind of funny that Pomu refused to join because it sounded uncomfortable, and Selen was never in Elira's unofficial discord in the first place because she was too shy.

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>ywn be bullied by a group of bitchy asian girls
just end me now

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>>75447120
>Shit's faker than peak viewership statistic.
Dunno, Riki shattering his skull against the floor in front of the investors and forcing the others to follow the suite looks pretty real to me. I thought that one could be related to another, nah?

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>>75447603
Oh no, they absolutely fucked up. Can't wait to see Riku's ass doing pretzels in Q4.
I just find it hard to imagine enough people would still give a shit to dislike her videos to keep a 50:50 ratio. Especially with how easy it is to manipulate that stat.

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This is pretty damning evidence of bullying. No shot most of them peruse /here/ beyond a glance. Likely they copied the same mannerisms of the messages in their Discord.

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>>75447199
>Just walk away...
>Give me Elira to PUMP and DUMP
>the OIL massage from Vivi
>the GAS-lighting sex with Finana
>and your entire collection of hags, and I'll spare your lives
>Just walk away. I will give you safe passage into the /vt/ Wasteland.
>Just walk away and there will be an end to the hate.
>I await your answer, Riku.

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I agree

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>>75426510
Christ

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>>75451952
>Give me Elira to PUMP and DUMP
>you dump Elira
>she comes back asking for more
>keep her at a distance until she becomes desperate
>pump her
>dump her
>cycle repeats
I don't even understand this boner, but DAMN that's hot

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>>75451952
>>75458323
Yay yo, why is there no mention about manhandling Petra's petite chink frame?

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>>75458832
I feel as though Petra would give no reaction at all whether she wants it or she's forced. It'd be like fucking a dead body either way.

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>>75451009
Now I wonder how many of the sisters are actually the organs themselves, other than that one time Enna or a larper deleted the post to change a first person pronoun in it

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>>75459336
>larper
That was fresh, not birb I thought. Because we kept shitting on her being a 3view and she came in defending her past decisions

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>>75459122
You've perfectly described all the chinks I've fucked. Maybe I'll try a nip and see if there as loud as squeaky toys.

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>>75459336
>>75459441
There's some evidence of both Enna and Finana posting, there's irrefutable proof of Reimu at least lurking both /here/ and the archives and if you believe Luca's hag then Luca and Selen also come / used to come to lurk and maybe post.

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They'll drive you to suicide

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>>75444423
redditsanji thread, prease undastandu

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>>75459541
> the sisters are right but not because Doki is attacking niji, it's because she showed Luca 4chin

[Anonymous No.]

Niji EN has gotten so much more improve since Tomato and Mint left right four Hara-kiri Rock! I need scissors! 61!

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>>75440655
Working at McDonald’s is also not playing video games for a few hours a few times a week while thousands of wimps fawn over you. Millions would do that for free, and plenty do.

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>>75460216
>thousands
Not in Niji lmao

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>>75424894
the fuck