/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

but i thought she knew 2000 kanji and words fron them

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>>75356468
You know 2000 English words, but even so, you still can't speak English.

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>>75356468
That's literally how shitty the Japanese writing systems are.

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>>75356541
im speaking english right now, and am able to communicate with it
compare nerissa's actual ability to communicate in jp and what she claimed in her debut

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>>75356590
only people ive ever heard say this are people that dont know jp or got filtered trying to learn it

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>>75356468
>>75356623
The modern English language only has 26 letters in its alphabet and yet you still manage to have typos in your bait threads every single god damn time

[Anonymous No.]

who bumped this shit from ten months ago

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>>75356711
typos? thats your criteria for gauging ability to communicate with a language?
arent you just nitpicking rn

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>>75356468
No, her app says she's memorized 2000 kanji. That's very different to actually being able to read, write, or even speak a language.

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>>75356756
Knowing is one thing, being able to communicate is another.
I don't think Nerissa ever said that she knew how to converse in Japanese fluently, or at the very least at a conversational level

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>>75356796
wish you'd have just started with this

[Anonymous No.]

why the fuck would you ever want to learn individual kanji?
that prob works best for when youre an actual japanese person living in japan since that learning period is protracted across more than a decade of schooling and youre exposed to the language all the time.
she's dumb for not just learning words

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Nigger I can read 2k Kanji and 8k vocabulary but I still can't understand a lick of casually spoken Japanese. Nerissa never claimed to have any proficiency in understanding Japanese.

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>>75356796
this is a silly idea bc syntax and grammar and shit is so much easier than memorizing a billion squiggly lines

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>>75356468
Ohnonono ankikeks...

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>>75356896
anki teaches you words, its shit like wanikani that teach kanji

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>>75356866
People online give bade language learning advice and bad learning advice in general. It's doubtful she can even remember all those kanji either.

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>>75356590
If your language had a billion homonyms, you'd need a way other than context to distinguish between them as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-Z6Fx1MLE&t=11

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>>75356623
Nerissa is a weeb she probably thought she can speak proper japanese just by watching animes

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>>75356468
I think it would be unkind to call Nerissa a liar, but she is a very sensitive person who tries her hardest to hide her shortcomings. She thinks that her fans expect her to learn Japanese well enough to interact with her senpai and doesn't want to come off as capable of anything less than that.

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現代で習うのは1000字だよ

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>>75358369
中出しの喜び

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>>75357254
Anonはいつもアニメで日本語を学べるわけがないと言ってるけど自分は実際アニメで学んだw
手段としては遅い方と思うけど10年以上の結果は日常会話の単語や文法を中々わかるようになった
読み書きはとても難しいけどPCでIMEを使ったら楽勝だ、知らない漢字もブラウザエクステンションで読める
ちゃんとセリフに集中したらアニメも勉強手段になる!おかげで毎日ネットで日本人と会話してる、日本のVtuberの配信も完全に楽しめる

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>>75356885
Not true. I know a lot of japanese words and kanji, but stringing them together to form a sentence that doesn't sound weird is hard.

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>>75356948
Anki teaches you whatever you choose.

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>>75356468
ankikeks...

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>>75356541
fpbp

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>>75356623
>>75356756
>>75356819
Google translating from whatever pagpag language you use on a daily basis would give more coherent results than whatever word diarrhea you're unleashing on this board.

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>>75359650
git gud

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>>75356948
>anki and luodingo fag
watching anime is so much more productive than those slop apps

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>>75363900
just sounds like you're obsessed about seanigs 2bqhwyfamalam

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>>75356468
She corrected this later and said she was "nervous" and only knows 2 thousand words, not kanji. But she seems unable to use those and can only translate songs. I wouldn't be surprised if she can't translate songs either and it using someone else to do it. She was a bad hire.

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>>75357151
You're not really making a good argument that Japanese isn't retarded here.

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>>75364281
Get the fuck outta here with that. Go ahead and learn only from anime and then try talking with a real Japanese person. They will fucking laugh at you.

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>>75356468
Knowing 2000 words and stringing them together in a coherent sentence are two different things, as a fellow ESL you should know that yourself. I know a lot of french vocab and can read it more or less, but I can't speak it and have a hard time understanding verbal communication.

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>>75356468
Nerissa fell for the Remembering the Kanji meme which maps a unique English word to each Kanji character that may or may not even relate to its meaning.

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>>75366312
why would i when i took uni for 4 years in uni

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>>75366444
Is it really a meme?

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>>75367895
it works for some people, but it's usually more efficient to never touch the book and just learn kanji without it

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>>75356468
Spending the majority of your time remembering the kanji instead of actually reading native content is a meme, even more so when it puts emphasis on their components and mnemonic, RTK and WaniKani are notorious for this.

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>>75365001
>just sounds like you're obsessed about

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>>75367895
At that point, you're better off practicing writing the kanji for real instead of doing this component/mnemonic bullshit. Motoric stimulations are much more effective than that.

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>>75369410
I don't even understand why you keep on persisting with the ESL-baiting when the whole point of the thread is how Nerissa is completely unable to communicate in japanese
We in contrast are perfectly able to communicate in english

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>>75369769

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>>75366312
>le anime is bad for learning!!!
spoken like a real crab in the bucket that doesn't speak a lick of japanese
Anime is one of the best resources for learning japanese, you stupid faggots think the language used in anime isn't just the same old fucking bog standard modern japanese or something; as if people would start talking like spongebob characters or looney toons characters or pick up their tics and catchphrases when they were learning english through english media
protip: the vast, vast, majority of scripted media doesn't have naturalistic dialogue. nobody really speaks like the way people do in films or tv shows

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>>75369924
yeah, I am able to.
I can speak english, so can you. Nerissa can't speak japanese.

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>>75356468
If you are learning you will never learn
You have to immerse and acquire
Simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>75369769
>Holoboard
>Holos can do no wrong
Simple enough for you to understand?

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>>75370197
wakarimasu

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>>75357151
Yes thats why its a shit writing system. All east asian languages are garbage (except korean).
Generally speaking, the most advanced writing systems (and languages) come from the middle east and europe. In modern terms, european languages and arabic. The further away from the Mediterranean the worse your writing system (and language).
There are ancient mediterranean languages that are more advanced than japanese

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>>75370541
>dude Hangul!
This shit is so predictable lmao, in almost every thread about japanese writing.
People like to whine about how the nips should have made something like hangul, probably cause they're too lazy to learn kanji, but nip phonology really is too simple for something like it or the latin alphabet and without the tone and context that you have irl which themselves are already a bit unreliable it gets impossible to differentiate shit that's spelled the same and pronounced the same. Kanji helps TREMENDOUSLY with that.
In fact, it's the main reason why technical documents and research papers in Korea are chock full of hanja, cause even Korean with it's vastly more expansive set of sounds as compared to nip, with 14 vowels and 10 consonants, begins having trouble because of all the chinese derived homonyms.
Hangul vs Kanji+Kana are like mirrors of each other where reading Hangul is piss easy but then you run into shit like 심심하다 or 방화 or 사흘 or 철두철미 or 힘들도 너무 좋고 which would be leagues easier to parse in written form if it had Hanja, and learning how to read Kanji is a monumental hurdle but reading nip becomes piss easy afterwards (except nanori, fuck that shit)

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>>75370541
what the hell even is "advanced" in the context of languages?
like where the hell would that fall in the synthetic-analytic spectrum?
kind of sounds like you're talking out of your ass

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>>75371372
Thank you for asking!
Most writing systems start with pictographs, literal pictures representing the things, slowly they move onto the pictures being the words, the the pictures become more simplified into strokes (kanji is at this level, for reference the latest mediterranean writing system with this is in the BC), soon after the need to describe sounds themselves instead of things appears, and each of the letters becomes representative of a syllable sound (hiragana and katakana here, technically old semitic languages are at this level), then languages naturally seperate the consonants and the vowels and thats how you get the latin lettering and the arabic script. Latin lettering being the older one, and arabic only advancing to this level in the 1000s (they used to mention consonants only).
This is only as writing system.

Now lets get to another factor, pronouns, prefixes, suffixes and word reconstruction. English is a bit weird here because its a mix of languages, but arabic, french, italian are all good at this. Basically by saying one verb, you are able to construct a hundred forms each referring to the verb in a different way, like how construct, constructor, construction, reconstruct, deconstruct, constructive, etc.
Japanese has very few of these, meaning less clear information is created.

I hope this helped, ofcourse let us not forget the fact japanese has THREE fucking writing systems for one language and all of them are shit

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>>75372203
>kanji are literally pictographs
this isn't true for japanese and it isn't even true for chinese
literally just look up 六書

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>>75372399
??? I literally said they arent pictographs? Did i miswrite it?

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>>75372203
lmao don't tell me you're saying conjugation=complexity
japanese has conjugation too, but the biggest issue I see here is that you just don't understand that some languages are synthetic languages

this is probably one of the biggest cases of dunning-krueger ive seen in a while

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>>75372537
some languages are synthetic languages and some are analytic*

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>>75357151
Do they speak kanji at each other? Do they do hand signs for kanji like jutsus?

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>>75372537
Yes, and i am saying analytic languages are garbage (yes i also dislike english), also yes i am saying that languages with morphemes are better than languages with less or no morphemes

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>>75372531
the point is the entire narrative about progression from pictographs is only half true, since while yes, writing started out as pictographs, it didn't become a one way progression into phonographic systems since pictographs also developed into logographic systems like in china and sumer
look at the different paths egyptian hieroglyphs and cuneiform and phonecian alphabets took for an example too.
This reminds me exactly of the misconception about languages supposedly getting simpler over time like how you might observe that latin has way more cases than its descendant languages, but its more like they move between synthesis and analysis
anyway, I brought up the rikushou/六書 since even hanzi/kanji are diverse in their constructions as logograms. Forget the fact that people mistake individual kanji to be entire words, words written with chinese logograms can be Radical–radical or radical–phonetic compounds, or even derivative cognates

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>>75373078
>analytic languages are garbage
okay then why are you complaining about japanese, which is agglutinative and synthetic?
Also why bring up morphemes when chinese and japanese have way more morphemes than other languages just by virtue of using kanji of which there are thousands? are you sure you don't mean phonemes?
Holy shit quit pretending to know anything about what youre talking about

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>>75369705
Memorize by writing ?
You mean do the thing that takes 12 school classes to do ?

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>>75372203
lmao, what a retard.

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ITT: Cunning Linguists

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>>75367895
No, it may work for some people, but if you are not actively trying to engage with japanese texts in some form outside of your daily practice, you are wasting time. You are learning a language to use it, not to pass a test. Irys is a midwit, but years of reading manga have made her very competent at recognizing kanji.

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>>75356541
fpbp

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>>75376125
Could be that.
Could also be this as the alternative, anything is better than RTK/Wanikani.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mindtwisted.kanjistudy&pli=1

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>>75356468
Knowing kanji and speaking/understanding spoken Japanese is a very different ballgame. JP is the fastest spoken language in the entire world.

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>>75370541
>except Korean
>Language with vomit-inducing sounds
KEK

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>>75356468
nerissa honestly needs to be bullied for this shit, imagine trying to leech off of marine and instead of spending your time learning japanese and collabing with japanese girls in your company, you instead just collab with literal twitch thots

i honestly like nerissa but god, every time this nerissa marine shit gets brought up it's just embarrassing, when Coco first joined hololive she was actively trying to get better, Irys, Bae, Anya, Fuwawa and Mococo, these girls were all actively trying to get better at japanese so "nihongo jouzu" wouldn't come up in a collab
meanwhile nerissa advertised her japanese skills on debut, continuously talked about wanting to collab with marine, and she has made NO EFFORT in learning japanese so she can actually collab with the GIANTS OF VTUBING in her own company instead of these meaningless twitch vtubers that do nothing for her career/lasting friendships

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>>75377762
she's lazy. simple as.

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>>75377762
Name a JP vtuber who tries to learn English ahs has kept it up?

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>>75380045
subaru.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75380045
Ririka

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>>75372203
>I hope this helped, ofcourse let us not forget the fact japanese has THREE fucking writing systems for one language and all of them are shit
English and all languages that use the Latin alphabet use 2 "writing systems"...
>English is a bit weird here because its a mix of languages
Every single language is a "mix of languages".
>Now lets get to another factor, pronouns, prefixes, suffixes
Japanese has a lot of pronouns, prefixes and suffixes. They're not used in the same way as they would be in English, because the entire language has a different structure that would make them redundant for their purpose in other languages.
>word reconstruction
That literally doesn't mean anything. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Your entire rant makes no sense and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The first part doesn't even make sense. You compare a Germanic language to two Romantic language and Arabic (which I'm pretty sure you have absolutely no clue about), please stop making a full of yourself. Japanese is a Japonic language and almost completely isolated. It uses Sinograms (also known as Kanji/Hanzi) as a writing system in addition to its own phonetic alphabets. It's not directly related to Chinese or Korean. It uses Chinese characters as a way to differentiate homographs (words with the same spelling and different meaning) and to space sentences. Korean is also in its own family called Koreanic languages. Until fairly recently (the mid to late 20th century), Korean was still using Chinese characters (Hanja) commonly. Hanja are still sometime used for abbreviations and stylistic choices.
>>75372697
Some words are written the same way but pronounced differently. There are quite a few example in English too. "Live action" and "I live nearby" for example.
It goes much further than that but that's one of the main points.

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>>75380661
I love Subaru.

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>>75370541
>except korean
They vocabularies are among the highest in the world though.
It's the downside of any constructed languages, they tends to be easier to learn but hard to master because of the high number of vocab to express things that they can't do with the easier but limited language.

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>>75381423
are you saying korean is a constructed language?
if not, korean basically has the same vocabulary count as japanese since they use the same sinic compound loans

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>>75380801
he's a retard that thinks inflection and word roots/stems are something unique to PIE or something

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>>75366111
The claim was that the writing system is retarded when it in fact isn't. Shitting on the language is an entirely different thing.

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>>75356468
Marine x Kiara x Nerissa lesbian circlefuck
Problem solved. Was there any other questions or concerns?

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>>75356541
Based
FPBP

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>>75370541
>except korean
Gook detected

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>>75385923
No, he saw one video about how "The korean alphabet is fucking awesome" and now he thinks it's the superior language.

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>>75356468
Even Nerissa admits she doesn't know Japanese now. That Lui collab broke her.

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>>75356468
To be brutally honest even though I have weeb tastes I was never interested in learning Japanese, everything that catches my attention from Japan is already translated, even some doujin and obscure games have some kind of translation, it was until I met vtubers that got me interested in learning the language especially because my oshi is JP, but I still don't know where to start, most anons recommend websites and courses but most assume you already know a basic level of the language and I'm not even at a 2 year old kid level and I don't have the time or money to hire the services of a private tutor or a language school.
And now I feel frustrated that I have not been interested in learning it since I was at least a teenager, I guess several HoloEN EOP must have the same feeling or story to mine but for them it is worse since it's part of their job, I'm still not sure if asking to know Japanese in auditions should be a requirement or not.