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Ame said she had the choice to stream Oblivion or Morrowind. Is it safe to say she chose well?

>> No.7535575

I like Morrowind more, but Oblivion is a better pick for streaming, so i'd say she chose well. Also death to all mers

>> No.7535818

>>7535520
She would've raged so hard with Morrowind's combat system

>> No.7535857

>>7535818
So morrowind would've been the better stream game?

>> No.7535946

>>7535857
Morrowind is less forgiving. Like race height will dictate your speed. Or early game can be broken by dark brotherhood gear, which is also light armor that sells for it's weight in gold so if you have good speech craft you can buy all of Morrowind in mere hour.

>> No.7535964

Safe? I don't really think we can know the answer to that question. Both games have their own strengths. Although I think it's better to do a Morrowind stream if you've already played it and just want to revisit the experience.

>> No.7536160

>>7535964
Agreed. I got lost for 2 hours in the start of the game trying to find Balmora. That game does not hold your hand whatsoever

>> No.7536190

>>7536160
You're expected to read signs, talk to NPCs for directions, check your map regularly, and be willing to spend some time grinding whenever appropriate. Plus there's no instant free fast travel, so you're expected to learn the fast travel routes as you go. Definitely not a game intended for casual play. I think a streamer that's serious about games could make an entertaining stream out of their first run, especially if they have a good chat. (Thinking of Yashiro, though I don't even know if Morrowind is available in Japanese.) I don't think Ame would have enjoyed it that much, at least not without some serious prep work.

>> No.7536211

>>7535520
Morrowind is much more unique and better as an RPG

>> No.7536220

>>7535520
Bowson is cute!

>> No.7536239

>>7536220
bowson! bowson! bowson!

>> No.7536250

Morrowind is an intensely boring stream game.

>> No.7536657

>>7535520
Please, play Oblivion.

>> No.7536815

ITT: bunch of n'wah

>> No.7536846

>>7535520
I wish Ame streamed Rimworld or 1hr1life.

>> No.7536866

>>7536190
This, and the stream would turn into an entertaining shit show for it. She would be asking who, what, how every ten seconds, chat would answer her, and then she would start shitting all over them for backseating.

>> No.7537226

>>7536160
>Zoomers not finding Caius Cosades is real

>> No.7537268

>>7536160
2 hours.. how. there's a silt strider right outside of seyda neen. pretty sure the inn at seyneen tells you about it

>> No.7537306

>>7535520
Morrowind is overrated as fuck. The only people that still suck it's dick are nostalgia fags.
Not to say it isn't a good game but people act like it's WAY fucking better than it is.

>> No.7537335

I vastly prefer Morrowind for a multitude of reasons, but I echo what others have said about Oblivion being both easier to stream and probably more entertaining to the average person.

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>>7535520
Shut the fuck up, todd.
I will not play fallout76.
I will not play the new skyrim port for ps5.
I will not play tes6.
I will not play starfield.

>> No.7537432

>>7537306
Are you seriously comparing a game from 2000s with shit that came out 20 years later? It obviously doesn't hold a candle, the game industry moved on and evolved, the reason why nostalgiafags still praise it is because it had character, something your zoomer games will never have.

>> No.7537487

>>7537432
I literally did not do that anywhere in what I said.
This is the average Morrowind fan iq.

>> No.7537546

>>7537487
Ok i may have gotten carried away, but i see no reason to say it's overrated if not by comparing it to much later games.

>> No.7537635

Oblivion is the type of game that thanks to its level scaling I can maybe envision myself replaying every few years at most. Really think both Morrowind and Skyrim (and personally for me, Daggerfall) are overall more enjoyable experiences. Morrowind for that good ol' CRPG extravaganza with building up a character and progression, while Skyrim for just being dumb casual fun which has its own charm, even if way more shallow.

tl;dr Oblivion isn't really easy to pick up and play, beyond the first playthrough where one wants to deal with efficient leveling up. The other option is simply turning down the difficulty slider, but personally I find if I have to do that, then fuck your game lol

>> No.7537639

>>7537546
Google overrated my dude.... It's been overrated ever since Oblivion came out and people complained that the game was actually playable to anyone who wasn't the biggest turbo autist in the planet.

>> No.7537697

>>7537639
no, back when it came out it was not overrated. it was underrated if anything. it was the game of games back in its time, first of the kind.
>people complained that the game was actually playable to anyone who wasn't the biggest turbo autist in the planet
is this senstence meant to make no sense?

>> No.7537773

>>7537697
Eslchama..... Do your reading reps.

>> No.7537893

>>7535520
Oblivion is the best choice for Ame.
It's one of my all-time favorites but someone needed to tell her that leveling up doesn't make combat easier.

>> No.7538000

>>7537773
i'll believe you if there's someone who understands it well enough to put it in their own words. untill then, you're just spewing nonsense.

>> No.7538049

>>7535520
Yeah she chose well. Her Oblivion streams are kino.

>> No.7538053

>>7538000
>since Oblivion came out
Nigga you actually retarded what he said makes perfect sense.

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>>7536190
>casual play
I play every video game on easy mode. Playing video games on easy mode gives me the advantage of learning the game mechanics at my own pace. I learn how the enemy AI behaves, every enemy spawn point and all enemy weaknesses. Also where every power weapon is hidden. I feel like a god. The best part is when I change the difficulty into hard mode, the game ends up feeling like a breeze.

Easy mode= hyperbolic time chamber

Only Chad's like me know this.

>> No.7538540

>>7538107
>I learn how the enemy AI behaves
but they act differently on easy
>every enemy spawn point
but easy doesn't use half the spawn points
>all enemy weaknesses
but easy adds weaknesses that are absent in other modes

>> No.7538836

>>7538540
>>I learn how the enemy AI behaves
>but they act differently on easy
That's bad game design.
>>every enemy spawn point
>but easy doesn't use half the spawn points
If hard mode means more enemies then the devs are retarded.
>>all enemy weaknesses
>but easy adds weaknesses that are absent in other modes
The absolute state of game developers.

>> No.7539020

>sees a scrib
>attacks it
>queue shit gremlin noises

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>>7537306
I started playing Morrowind recently again.
This time with graphic overhaul and few mods.

A lot better than vanilia Skyrim,

>> No.7539213

>>7538836
Do you actually prefer hard mode = damage sponge enemies? Braindead take

>> No.7539384

>>7539213
I thought it was pretty obvious this anon is braindead and/or a baiter from the first post.

>> No.7539387

>>7539134
Oh for sure that's an absolute fact Morrowind may be overrated but it's a good game Skyrim is objectively fucking terrible without mods.

>> No.7539430

>>7539387
Morrowind even back in the day was fucking unplayably awful without HEAVY modding or outright cheats so you didn't spend 20 minutes missing a mudcrab with a weapon you had proficiency with because LOL RNG

>> No.7539491

I don't think anyone can defend the technical side of things in regards of Morrowind (or pretty much any Bethesda game) while keeping a straight face. But i'd still say it's the best chapter in the TES serie so far, be it for nostalgia, be it for quirkyness, and even at this point i wouldn't say it was ever overrated.

>> No.7539495

>>7539430
I played vanilla long time ago. And if you put any thought into your skills during character creation there was no way to miss more than 1/3 hits on start mobs.
And i was like 12.

>> No.7542876

>>7536160
You have to be 18 years old to post here

>> No.7544063

>>7539430
bro just play angry birds, this game's clearly not for you

>> No.7546749

>>7536250
it's a boring game in general

>> No.7546891

>>7535520
yes, only neckbeards pretend morrowind is better than oblivion or skyrim

>> No.7546965

>>7546891
t. videogame journalist

>> No.7548383

>>7542876
18? I found Balmora and Caius in minutes when I was 10

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>>7537368
Yes. You will.

>> No.7548490

>>7535520
Morrowind is the better game but Oblivion is better for streaming.

>> No.7548526

>>7536160
How?You are literally given instructions that tell you how to reach it.

>> No.7548582

>>7546965
most of /vt/ wasn't even fucking born when morrowind came out

>> No.7548853

>>7548526
NTA, but that does not mean shit when only English you know is "save game", "load game"
There's like 50% chance I couldn't even save-load myself back than and had to ask my dad

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>>7546965
NTA but besides the lore and worldbuilding, he's not wrong. Literally everything else is worse. The combat honestly would have been better turn based or completely realtime like the sequels, the quests (and dialogue for that matter) are far more mundane and boring. The guild/faction quests pale especially in relation to Oblivion. The NPCs lack pretty much any AI packages, making the world completely immersive. The game is far easier to cheese. The economy is completely and utterly shattered from hour 1 if you have Tribunal, which also completely shatters the progression due to the existence of trainers. Speechcraft is complete ass that practically mandates save scumming except at the highest levels, while still being a factor in low level quests. There's a decent chunk of quantity of quality that can't be explained away by Radiant bullshit. Stealth is complete garbage. You are even more overpowered in the mid-endgame than the sequels, which causes everything you do from that point on to be a cakewalk. The list goes on and on and on.
And then there's the obvious "it's graphically and technically inferior" that, while obviously explainable, is no less true.
While Morrowind is better in a lot of ways (especially in the ways that older RPG players value), it isn't hollistically better, not even fucking close. It's just more focused and niche.

Now, of course you can mod a lot of this shit out, but even the modding scene of the sequels mog it to hell too.

>> No.7548941

>>7548897
>The NPCs lack pretty much any AI packages, making the world completely UN-immersive.
Typo. And to add to that, none of the quests are able to do anything involving AI because of this. Characters barely ever even more between locations

>> No.7552650

Video Games

>> No.7553367

>>7537368
>he thinks he has a choice

Unless you learn how to zero sum out of existence you ARE going to.

>> No.7553440

>>7537773
>>7537487
>>7537306

Just admit you're the retard from this thread that got lost for 2 hours trying to find Balmora.

>> No.7553561

>>7539430
>>7546749
>>7546891
>>7537306

And this is another reason why I love Morrowind. It filtered normie faggots like this who don't know how to dice roll and need map markers

>> No.7554310

>>7548853
I learned english playing Morrowind. It was both epic and epically painful, I was spending more time in the dictionary than I was in the game.

>> No.7554438

>>7548897
yeah I can see how it can be hard to appreciate the game if you're spoiled by what came after

>> No.7554733

>>7553561
RPG/Tactics games/etc have dice rolls.
Morrowinds combat just feels like shit because it is visually dissonant. Realtime combat does not gel with dice rolls that include MISSING, especially with such frequency. It is the combat equivalent of invisible walls in an open world game coughNewVegascough except much, MUCH worse because it is in your face 24/7.

As for no map markers, yeah you're right, it's way better. But I don't think that filters normalfags. Nobody seemed to mind it in Zelda Botw.
>>7554438
I don't think it's that hard to appreciate, personally. I love Morrowind for what it is (as it was my first TES game). Oblivion is my favorite, but I think Skyrim is the best, especially modded. It's just about taking an actual look at the game, warts and all. Nobody likes to think about the negative aspects to older games, as though no improvements have ever been made in the sequels.

Like, imagine if Morrowind never existed and Bethesda released Morrowind, exactly as-is, as the new TES game, for $60. These dickriders would be the first to laugh themselves to an early grave at the graphics alone, and would write theses on how shit the gameplay is.

>> No.7562526

>>7554733
god you're pathetic

>> No.7562732

>>7554733
The dicerolls are not a problem. The only real problem is that when you miss there's nothing telling you if you missed from your mouse being off, being too far away, or missing on dice roll.
If a dice roll 'miss' played the sound, producing a tactile feeling while only dealing say 1 damage, it'd be better.
Also just build your character correctly lol.

>> No.7562848

>>7536250
Also Oblivion looks shitty, but in a funny way. Morrowind is just kinda ugly.

>> No.7563135

>>7562732
There is a missing sound though iirc. If you miss via your mouse being too far, it plays a "whoosh". If you miss via dice roll, it plays a "shh!" sound.
Yes, the sound design also contributes to it being shitty, but no serious game since has had realtime, fully mobile combat with "MISSING" in the dice rolls, especially without floating numbers.
>Also just build your character correctly lol.
It's a problem regardless. I've played more playthroughs of Morrowind than I can count. Early game is inconvenient. Mid-game is nice for a few levels, then if you "build your character correctly", you're overpowered before you know it. Also doesn't help that there's no level scaling (actually, it's probably the entire problem)
>>7562526
>He puts 20 year old games on a pedastal
Someone get this man a basedjack

>> No.7568990

>>7535520
Why?

>> No.7571903

>>7535520
Morrowind didn't age well, better wait for Skywind.

>> No.7571984

>>7537306
This is true and only mentally underdeveloped slavs with poor internet disagree.

>> No.7575559

>>7571984
>calls others underdeveloped
>can't find Balmora for 2 hours

>> No.7577853

>>7553561
Dice roll is retarded in real-time combat, this isn't turn based.

>> No.7577970

>people still fall for the "I got filtered by Balmora" bait 16 years later

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>>7577853
>Dice roll is retarded in real-time combat
Incorrect, filthy casual. If an RPG is going to have real time combat then dice rolls are necessary to separate player skill from character skill. Take your shit opinions back to /v/.

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