/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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Do people actually watch "vtubers" outside of Hololive?

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back

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>>75236764
right can get it

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Yeah but these aren’t vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

thanks kson

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>>75236889
>kson invented streaming

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>>75236842
fpbp

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>>75236764
TAKE THE FUCKING INDIE PILL BRO

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>>75236764
She gets more viewers when she flesh streams so

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>>75236764
Heres the thing, i would totally watch this type of stuff. Some anons agreed that you can have facecam vtubing in a way. The key is just playing as a cute anime girl energy, Kyoresu did it, this model called Elle Freya also did it once. But Onigiri is not doing taht, shes just a regular twitch streamer.

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>>75236764
of course, i don't even remember the last holo stream i watched... 2021 or smth? of course everybody feels nostalgic towards holo, it's babies first chuuba, but you can only watch anime cocomelon for so long
also the stream you linked was golden, fun couple hours

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>>75237586
but you're missing out on so much unique and innovative content, like when a holo played that video game. or when a holo played that other video game. it was amazing.

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>>75237586
It’s ok anon cam sites can be even better

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>>75236842
you didnt understand the image if you think its to do with numbers

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>>75236764
You literally just posted a reason why.

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Seethe bronies
Giri is a literal supermodel

[Anonymous No.]

Global isn't a stranger to sub-500 posts anymore. You're delusional if you think that Hololive's influence on this board isn't plummeting. In 2021 it was like 85% hololive. Today? Yikes.

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>>75239045
Hi onibro. Do you know what happens to housewives in Japan?

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>>75238690
yeah that's true... but now i watch notholo play that game, or maybe another notholo play that one other game you know
>>75238785
cam? you mean like in the electronics section on amazon? why? what for?

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I watched GGN: Live With You back when they were streaming. No shittery here, I liked their VN streams and enjoyed participating in their marshmallow streams. Even went to a panel hosted by MangaGamer in hopes they would be live at it for a few minutes, but it was just a recording.
Also watched Ames/Mel for a while. Braps are cute, and I didn't dislike her gameplay.

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>>75236961
She show the west Vtuber not streaming as Vtubers

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>>75239183
I went to /jp/ for the first time in years to see what hlg was up to and they are at like one or two threads a day now. That's pretty crazy

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>>75239183
>>75239664
Frankly I think it's just that corpos in general are losing steam (at least in the West). Audiences are getting tired of the restrictions, the repetitive content, the stale memes.

Why should I watch Pekora playing Minecraft for the 1500th time when I can watch Uwo's Lab cook salmon in a dishwasher?
Not like any individual Holo or other company stream is bad, but after a while you've seen it already.

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>>75239352
Learn English if you want to opine in the civilized world, Chink.

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>>75236764
I like watching my friends stream. other than that no I tend to stick with holo and the PLs of my holo oshis that have graduated etc. dont have enough time in my day or energy to watch a bunch of vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>try watching Holo (mumei, fauna, ina, all of advent)
>Can't get into any of them
I just don't get it man.

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>>75241700
the one EN I vibed with graduated. I just watch JP's like Korone at this point. (I wish i could get into Fuwamoco they seem like my type, but i can never understand what theyre saying half the time)

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I found an oshi in Phase of all places after years of Holo
So yeah, still watch tons of Holo tho

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>>75240823
pekora hasnt streamed minecraft in over a year. you fags arent even trying anymore

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>>75240823
Nijisanji destroyed all further attempts at creativity when people realized they could slap anime avatars on streamingslop and call it a day.

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>>75241700
weed

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>>75241793
You understood Sana but not Fuwamoco? The fuck?

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>>75241853
Yea she only streams fotm games two weeks after the fad ends because of permission induced lag that makes her streams so much better

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>>75241967
handjob

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i personally just got sick of the whole corpo atmosphere after a while, yeah it's nice to see the girls you like interact with their friends and make songs and covers and go to conventions but sometimes you just want something different to come your way and that's why i moved to indies. being unique can go a long way in this industry

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>>75236764
you would be surprised at the number of retards who still stan NijiEN

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>>75241853
It's just an example you fucking autist

[Anonymous No.]

>Watching vtubers
>In 2024
This is not 2020. Browsing /vt/ is more entertaining than watching stream.

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>>75242021
sana spoke with a real accent that english speakers are used to hearing. fwmc speak with baby gibberish that doesn't exist in the real world.

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>>75236842
Holy retard

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>>75238690
And even then, indies for the most part are still better on that front, since the lack of permission retardation means more varied games

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>>75238968
>>75242264

>>75236889
>>75232862
>>75232895
i have seen this exact thread like 10 times before where numberpagpags post giri's fleshstreams so they can whine about kson

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>>75242535
Just take the L that you're too stupid to understand the question

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>>75242611
stay in your streetshitter cage next time faggot

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>>75236764
>holoslop

It's like watching hair metal bands of the 80s while actual metal exist.

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>>75236764
Why do they even bother with the masks? Do they seriously think they can get the benefits of fleshtubing with the privacy of vtubing with just a small piece of cloth over less than half of your face?

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>>75236764
The only Holo I watch any more is Fauna.
So I get most of my vtuber content from indies.

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>>75241700
You should give Niji a try if you don't vibe with Holo.

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>>75242021
Sana spoke like any other aussie. fwmc does that "hweh uguu" stuff that just makes it hard to focus on what theyre saying, especially when they start whispering stuff. like i legit have to focus on them just to understand anything

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>>75242777
I already watch Phase and indies.

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Zhang thread, don't even have to read to know someone is complaining about kson.

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>>75241700
Only holoEN i was into is Ame and she basically never streams now. So i just watch lig girls. Idk if all that corpo shit that happens like twice a year(concerts) worth dropping streams for... Yeah they are cool but man i would love consistency

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>>75236764
no

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The true kino indie Vtuber

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>>75242535
I will never understand how kson has a dedicated defense force here

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>"Take the indie pill bro!"
>The indie pill:
>>75236764
Yeah no, I'll just stick to watching Korone play old obscure Japanese games for 15 hours.
That's enough Vtuber content for me.

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>>75243283
Say, how often does Korone streamed for 15 hours, anyway?

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>>75243235
Chinkpocalypse brought a lot of redditor here.

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>>75236764
twitch and kson were a mistake

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>>75243235
>post retarded thirdie shit about *vtuber*
>get called out for being a retarded thirdie
>wtf le defens forc

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>>75243360
Selen apocalypse brought more, some of them became jannies even

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>>75243235
kson has the horny incel simp audience, the same kind as hot tub twitch whore streamers
this is proven by how her vtuber streams are 3view with 20k vod views, whereas her flesh streams are 4view nearing 5view with 100k+ vod views
her main fans these days are just virgins with severe yellow fever

she's basically what would've happened if pokimane was allowed a general here because she tried to hop onto the vtuber bandwagon

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>>75243492
this is what numberjeets actually believe

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>>75243340
Once every 1-2 weeks. Depends on how hard or how long the game actually is since she usually tries to finish them in one sitting.
She usually streams 3-4 times a week.

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>>75243562
numbers are objective and don't care about your feelings
stop acting like a woman, tranny

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>>75236764
That's an unrelated picture anon
post vtubers

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>>75243601
go clean your butthole, muhammed

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>>75243658
I accept your concession

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>>75236764
disgusting

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>>75236764
Hey, more views than the average nijien stream, so I would say yes.

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>>75243453
Not the guy but what is retarded about calling flesh stream as not being a Vtuber content?
Sure you can argue if it's just hand, but the example shown show their full body. Is that what Vtuber is?
And yes, kson was a vtuber during her old persona days, but Kson content not using her vtuber model is NOT a Vtuber content. You couldn't make an exception for a single person just because they are popular.
Either allow it or not at all.
I feel like you are being retarded on purpose.

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>>75243883
you're being retarded on accident which is a lot sadder

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>>75239664
Makes sense, it's filled with anti scum. No wonder people stopped going there.

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>>75243599
I see. I checked and she only streamed for 72 hours on April and 47 hours on March. Considering that Holofans often bragged about her supposed endurance, I kinda expected something like 300+ hours of stream on average each month

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>>75236764
So the answer seems to be overwhelmingly yes, but Holo(EN) fans insist that they're the only ones thriving in this industry. Is this what /#/rot looks like?

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>>75244051
I am actually talking with retard here I give up. You can have this sad pathetic internet W defending your retarded opinion since it's probably the only good thing happen to you recently in your retarded life.

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It's my oshi's birthday month

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>>75236842
This has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with flesh streamers larping as vtubers you absolutely fucking mongrel.

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>>75244384
and it was posted by a third world numbershartoid who wanted to whine about kson
>>75232862
>>75232895
you bvtm faggots are so predictable, literally npcs

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>>75243201
Rocket idol alien, RIA!

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>>75244384
Then why did the OP pose a question that can only accurately be answered with a numbers response?

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>>75243235
>i hate the most likeable vtuber in the industry for *schizo/gross foreigner reasons*
>"that is stupid there is something wrong with you"
>defense force

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>>75244384
Then why are you screaming like a chimpanzee

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>>75243235
bugs chimping out for no good reason really brings people together

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>>75244141
At least it's an actual 15 hours gameplay stream.
Not +300 hours of sitting down playing Youtube video on twitch which plagues many twitch indies or to be fair, any regular old streamer really.
Which is why edited video format is the more superior enyertainment. I wish vtubing go back to that era.

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>>75242777
the only good niji was lulu and she's not a niji anymore

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90% of English vtubers outside holo are trash tier, I watch many none holo JP vtubers and they are fine, I just hate the westoid ones, they are the worst thing to ever happen to vtubing,holo is like the thing that filters the wokes/trannies/western women viewers out, I use them as a seal of approval. Yagoo does the scouting for none westoids

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>>75244585
>moving the goalpost
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

Another thread of incels crying over nothing a normal human would, never gets old

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>>75236764
sometimes but I don't think that's even a vtuber anymore

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>>75244904
>incels
female fingers typed that

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>>75236764
Bro i dont want thicc, i dont want big asses, i want a skinny asian girl. Fuck me, look at her, so nice.

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>>75244585
Will the number people ever figure out that everyone watching Kitchen Nightmares all day was a fad that ended a long time ago

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>>75244819
If you insist so much. How about you show me an actual proof of your chosen vtuber having actual 15 hours of straight gameplay video? Come on I'm waiting.

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>>75244543
>most likeable vtuber in the industry
You cannot be serious

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>2D anime avatar streaming
uohhhhh sex with my wife
>Attractive woman streaming
Reeeeee I am shitting and malding right now
Kek are you guys all fags or pillow humpers?

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>>75245107
>is on vt
>surprised people want vtubers
kys retard

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>>75241700
Holo's main appeal is being a daycare for lonely people. They aren't actually entertaining.

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>>75236764
The only Hololive worth watching in 2024 is Biboo.
The remaining 90% of my vtuber watching is Mint, Phase Connect, and some random 2views.

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>>75245143
It also always on NA hours.
What is with amerilard softporn addict hating anime while also promoting their onlyfans girl.

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>>75245082
I accept your concession (again)

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>>75238690
A single hologra episode mogs anything any indie has ever made

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Yeah, there's some great acts who are outside the holosphere, Hachi comes to mind.

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>>75245083
everyone loves her except weird esls who have never met her and are mad about schizo autistic things that don't matter. i trust the opinion of every single hololive member over zhangs and muhammeds from nga/the numbers thread mad that she ate a gay pizza in taiwan.

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>>75245330
I don't know how twitch search works couldn't you link the video instead of screenshot. How am I supposed to check the authenticity and see that she doesn't just go to bed every 3 hours?

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>>75245143
I don't think Cooking With Giri would be improved by turning the camera around and making everyone wear sleevegloves.
Hopefully eventually the tech advances to a level she can do these streams in full AR but these are fun streams and nice break from just gaming/zatsus, no need to get assmad about it.

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>>75245563
vei doesn't watch youtube videos or sleep

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>>75245563
>Moving the goalpost (again)
I accept your concession (again) (again)
How about a 21 hours of straight gameplay?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2116170555
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2116666958

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>>75245330
>>75245563
Nvm i found the VODs on Youtube. It's all 5-8 hours stream spread across month. Yeah, I am not convinced.

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>>75245082
Glad you asked. There's probably more if you counted times where she played a game for, like, 8 hours and then played another game for 7 hours.
FF7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-47V1f-5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TfujtaSPh4
Super Castlevania IV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuEYLjmOtSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zem6qCt97ts
Chrono Trigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hnzj0JUPxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTdTYp6oB4o
SaGa Frontier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_x964PmhTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r438KES1t8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohfp_ckBvLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cm4McCAU14
FF2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOX9bliCxR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzdDzCl7HTM

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>>75245735
It's different chuuba this time but I admit you did found one. I checked and see that she at least has one stream in the past week with around 15 hours. Which I guess pass my initial criteria.
But I hope you actually watched her and not just search for random Vtuber just to spite me.

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>>75241700
>mumei
She was fun until she find out that she was sleep depriving herself by sleeping in the same room as her dog. And then she socialized away her most extreme tendencies, after the 2 month recovery relapse.

>Vesper
The advantage of being in hololive is the unwanted collabs, and the clippers.
And the idol stuff.
And the merch. Nothing of that matters if you can get 4views and play the games you want.
Pretty some more of the good unhinged stuff is there on his new persona, but there is no clips.

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>>75236764
crazy how every big twitch indie except Filian fleshed out

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>>75246010
>>75245735
Actually all this example being from the east just reinforced my preconception that western vtubing was a mistake.

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>>75239183
>it doesn't matter if you're objectively the most successful, we long as we're louder than you on /vt/
holy cope, I hope your spam pays your oshi's bills lmao

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>>75246026
>Moving the goalpost(again)
How about another one? welp this one is "only" 15 hours of gameplay kek
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2134021270

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>>75246546
>ironmouse
more like sleepyleech lol

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>>75246457
Nah, personally, I still need the ones from the West since they are much less likely to be hit with permission shit when it comes to video games

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>>75239183

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>>75246457
oh no samurabros
https://www.twitch.tv/hennie2001
https://www.twitch.tv/qianqiantwo
https://www.twitch.tv/uninorem

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>>75246494
Holo's share of vtubing, both as a whole and especially in EN, is declining. They're objectively the most successful but unless something massively turns around that won't be the case in a couple years.

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>>75244710
There are a lot of good people in Nijisanji.

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>>75246608
>Not even bother to click on the stream
I accept your concession (again) (again) (again)

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>>75240823
>corpos are losing steam
>literally no big indies have become popular in the last 3 years
inb4 muh dokibird, ex-corpos still have corpo in their name and in their fame

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>>75246646
Retard they are literally inclining. Do you even understand math? If they go from 100 to 110 while literal who A goes from 10 to 20 and literal who B goes from 10 to 20 too, then they've still inclined along with everyone else even though their percentage as a total of the industry has gone down (100/120 = 83% vs 110/150 = 73%). You're coping over literal whos saturating the market and taking that as hololive "reclining" lmfao imbecile.

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>>75246457
>Western long stream
Bad, whore, shit tier
>Japan long stream
Good, gold standard

Back to/jp/ with ya

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"Vtuber" is actually just a regular streamer that sometimes uses live 2d or 3d model. A lot of small corpos are doing this lately too with below the head cams. If you show your body, your not a vtuber, your just a regular streamer. Hiding your face doesnt mean shit if you show your body. Are we going to call blur faced porn not porn now because the face is hidden? no! i call these new breed of vtubers "streamers that use live 2d and 3d most of the time". the dynamic is way different from watching someone like Kronii who you hardly see the behind the scenes of and Kson who you see all the behind the scenes of

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>>75246822
not sure if this is good bait or an actual out of touch corpodrone but either way good job

[Anonymous No.]

Western audience in general just finds sexy anime designs to be cringe. They only way to have both mass appeal and sex appeal is to be a cute girl in real life. It's that simple.

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>>75246822
Filian (2022), Shylily (2021), Nihmune (2021), Vedal (2023), Anny (2023), Karubi (2023), Tororo (2022),...

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>>75243492
And his chat is 90% in Japanese. you're such a stupid faggot he can't even check what he says but you can't expect much from a chink tranny who hates himself for being born with a sausage in his crotch.

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>>75246829
You just proved him right lol

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>>75246946
who the fuck are anny karubi and tororo, i think you widened scope of "big" too far

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>>75246957
>it's not yellow fever incels, it's regular yellow incels!
oh yeah that's so much better lmao

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>>75246796
maybe. but i just don't care. to me corpo just means censorship, weird restrictions and permission autism will eventually come up and annoy me. i'd rather just watch someone else who will never have those problems.

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>>75247009
Do you honestly think 1 million 1views are greater than 1 person with 1 million views?

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>>75246829
Weird cope. This is like claiming Exxon is bigger than Standard Oil because they have a higher revenue figure despite the latter being a literal monopoly and the former being just one of many oil majors.
Anyway, the problem is not that Hololive streamers are reclining. The main problem is that, either because of the talents' personalities or something about their corporate culture, they suffer extreme levels of burnout in EN. Maybe they'll turn this around by giving Myth electroshock therapy or debuting three new gens that stream consistently, but probably they won't.

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>>75247095
to each their own. i ve seen too many vtubers ex corpo go to shit due to lack of direction and management, only their core fans(parasocial af) and groomers are on board with that

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>>75245563
>How am I supposed to check
>>75245870
>Nvm i found the VODs
>I am not convinced
You have the VODs right there, dumbass.

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>>75236764
they wouldn't even consider going this route if they weren't moderately attractive which is the sadder thing here.

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>>75236764
Yeah. vtubers outside of Hololive are actually funny.

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>>75247151
>something about their corporate culture
The Japanese management constantly making them do retarded things for poorly thought-out reasons is likely a contributing factor.

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>>75247301
>Women are funny
Good one anon

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>>75247333
Wouldn't watch them otherwise. Sad life if you watch streamers that don't make you laugh.

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>>75247151
EN suffers burnout due to being people that enjoy socializing offline more than online. This is why "girl failure" and "boy failure" streamers have way more staying power. Also former idols and former professionals like Kiara, Koyori, FWMC have way more staying power in terms of streaming consistency due to work ethic from working in media related activities before. The ones that typically "burn out" are the ones used to a normie lifestyle, streaming isnt for everyone especially as your main job.

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>>75247202
The screenshot is misleading. It made me thought she played the game 41 hours straight which if the date on her first stream of the game VODs is correct, she been playing on and off since last year. So, not back to back marathon stream like you insinuated with the screenshot. The other people give better example than you.

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>>75247043
Why do you insult unicorns? They are the ones who move the industry, you know.

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I dont watch hololive just because I find the spam of FOTM games and usual business yuri annoying. No hate or anything like that, they depend so much on their ship or genmates, that the constant reference to other streamers is a bother to me.

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>>75240823
This is a good thing. It sounds awful without context, but Hololive no longer having a stranglehold on vtuber culture will allow for the industry to truly grow and evolve into its next form. It's like the transition that happened in the early 90s when Nintendo were no longer the end all be all of video games, and Sega were able to innovate by bringing new genres to a wider audience.

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>>75240823
>subtle Uwo shilling
is he paying people to go around shilling him all over the board or something?

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>>75236764
Only chuuba I can truly 100% keep up with is Ui, and that's because she only streams once a week and for barely an hour, and the rest is just liking her art online. She's unironically built for the working ojisan.

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>>75247430
Burnout? It always happens after the sweet merch money. Hololive is so big, that you can earn lots without streaming. Holomembers dont have an incentive to stream.

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>>75247620
Except the primary element of "vtuber culture" that I can see specifically not represented by Hololive is "being a literal pornstar skank." I'm not enthusiastic about that becoming even more popular.

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>>75247774
>he doesn't know

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>>75247043
Go back tourist normalfag

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>>75247686
>she only streams once a week and for barely an hour
Isn't that the schedule for AZKI and Suisei as well?

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>>75247620
Yeah but if the new "culture" is to show literal flesh body on stream like OP example, then I would rather things stay the same.
What's a vtuber if you are not doing it in your virtual body?
More better 3D tech should be what everyone pursue, not "becoming flesh streamer" trends.
But thanks to Niji, everyone focused too much on l2d.
I wish Hololive would lead the way with their 3D studio, but they are too bloated to change quickly.

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>>75247899
Suisei has various radio shows and stuff on the side too, you need a vpn to access some of them unfortunately

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>>75238690
>hologra
>concerts
>music output
Why does hololive make people so mad? It's a pretty good industry leader.

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>>75248031
>More better 3D tech should be what everyone pursue, not "becoming flesh streamer" trends.
That's expensive as fuck and it was even more expensive 4 years ago. Hopefully nVidia can bring the price down with their AI cameras.

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>>75248036
I haven't watched Hologra since the pandemic and I don't understand why everyone gets rock-hard over 3D concerts (beyond that they're really expensive). I agree with you on the music though, and also some kino MVs, they remain easily the industry leader in both.

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>>75246624
>dead hours recycled thread
>still mogs the entire board
remind me again why /lig/ is called /lig/

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What is the point of being a vtuber if you're just gonna fall back to being a fleshie?

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>>75236764
why would you name yourself rain hoe? lol

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>>75236764
>This kills the immersion
I just don't get who'd watch this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248130
There are affordable options available that would be perfectly adequate for individual streamers. Not that there's any point to it, since 3D doesn't actually add value for 99% of the content, and 100% of the content I'd actually care about. This constant insistence on 3D everything is just bullshit to make the company look good and pump the stock value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248313
normies that hate anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248036
concerts were neat but hololive pumps so many out that they stopped feeling special. and they aren't even live anymore so you can't interact with the streamer. i'd rather just have streams instead.
>music output
don't care
>hologra
is stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
>be me
>only watch hololive
>after a year or two, don't actually enjoy vtubers anymore, mainly just shitpost on /vt/ and whack off to lewds
>switch to mainly watching indies
>actually enjoy vtuber content again

[Anonymous No.]

i don't understand why people that clearly don't like a hobby are so hell bent on being part of it
it happened with other media i like as well, so it's not like i'm surprised or angry about it, i'm just confused

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248550
so many? We get 2-3 big ones a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248588
but OP is not vtuber content

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248755
well yeah, I don't watch any of the shit in OP either, because they aren't vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248696
>if you enjoy breaking the monotony of videogameskaraokezatsudan with an irl stream every once in a while then you clearly hate this hobby
do you actually believe that, because that's pretty retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248396
Normies watch anime, on the other hand I haven't watched anime in years. It's easier to disconnect and get comfortable with an anime girl playing minecraft and yap for hours. What op posted is completely missing the point of what vtubing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248313
People who watch streams for entertainment and not windowlicking parasocial autists who care about "immersion" and throw a hissy fit if not everything a streamer puts out is a 100% to their liking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248031
That's why I used the Nintendo to Sega comparison, the culture doesn't have to become completely degenerate. It's like how people moved from Mario and Zelda, to Sonic and Shining Force.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75247667
Just the first one that came to mind for unique content

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
What is Hololive?
Sounds like trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248868
Mad that it's people like Giri and Uwo who actually do new stuff while all these innovative "launching a new era" companies resign themselves to repetitive content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75245506
>hologra
kek, that slop is so bad. the absolute state of japanese "comedy"

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248874
if i wanted to watch flesh streamers, id watch a flesh streamer. Do you open up a Shroud stream and expect him to be bronze? no you watch him because hes good. Do you own up an amouranth asmr because you think shes got good asmr? no its because she has asmr thats good for jacking off. Every stream has its purpose. only parasocial people that are attached to a streamer will watch their random streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248749
they have birthday or anniversary concerts every week just about

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248868
yes that's what i'm saying
i actually like vtubers so i don't mind them being vtubers all the time, i don't find that monotonous
plus facecam vs avatar has zero correlation with content, OP is just a cooking stream and 90% of IRL streams are just chatting

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249139
whoa cooking streams and generic ethot content
groundbreaking

[Anonymous No.]

I watch tobari channel when my vids aren't loading properly because she consistently does the same zatsudan stuff with English translations at the bottom plus she's nice to look at
If those livestreams are acting up its on YouTube's end. Otherwise it's something with other streamers going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249214
>if i wanted to watch flesh streamers, id watch a flesh streamer
You could've stopped there buddy. If you don't like it then don't watch, it's that simple. Why are you bitching about this in a vtuber board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249139
"wow so innovative" doesnt mean entertainment. i understand you enjoy your favorites, but being innovative doesnt make you superior. the reason why braindead content like react and discussion of drama reigns supreme on twitch is because ot drives the most engagement. Does that make it superior? Not really, but my point is that your acting like a too cool for school loser elitist that thinks your tastes are holier than thou. Your Uwo and Onigiri are not vtubers and are off topic on this board, simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249144
the only funny ones were the holostars ones where they clearly didn't have a team available to animate them so the gimmick was the lights kept turning off and they're all yelling over each other with no visuals. It's funny purely for how blatant they were with the idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249214
>if i wanted to watch flesh streamers
>>75249246
>i actually like vtubers
personally i'm not a robot so i just like streamrs. not "flesh" or "vtubers". my favorite streamers are all vtubers but i have no allegiance to someone just because they have an avatar. i watch them because they're entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249459
>being innovative doesnt make you superior
But it does make you different, and sometimes that's enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249374
ya and onigiri isnt a vtuber. off topic

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249294
as opposed to unnoteworthy gameplay with an anime face pasted on top of it? get a grip

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
>woman
>cant cook
im so tired of these failures being romanticised

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249503
different, also not vtubing. just like xqc. the fact that i see posts of giri saying not to bother her in person lets me know, hey this isnt a vtuber, a ton of people know how they look

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249585
>also not vtubing
You know that there exists more than just the bait in the OP right

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249585
aloe had to say that too, is she not a vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249472
that cool. i watch flesh streamers too i just dont call them vtubers, they are streamers, simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249653
do you stop calling them flesh streamers if they ever use an avatar? is sodapoppin a vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249522
i'm not the one claiming i like what i like because it's innovative, you are
i like same old, your only claim to fame for these discount lilypichus is they are doing "new stuff" when there's literally nothing new about this

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248036
Nta but holo has been in a creative decline for quite some time now and the only way they have been able to get attention is by spending thousands of dollars on concerts or animated music videos.
I miss the planned group streams with freedom to improvise and the impromptu streams that ended in collaborations with the chubas going crazy.
Now I feel it so normie, ironically I blame the restrictions that are supposed to encourage creativity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249721
no, hybrid content creators are not vtubers
that's the whole point, really

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249649
sorry, i dont know who aloe is. if their non live 2d well known enough through non doxx activity, then they arent vtubers. its okay to post flesh if its on a seperate unconnected account, everyone is human afterall, its when you say "hey this me" that your no longer a vtuber, your a streamer/context creator that also utilizes live 2d and 3d. Coco is a vtuber, Kson is not for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249585
>hey this isnt a vtuber, a ton of people know how they look
There are a number of vtubers out there who have a history of content creation that stretches back long before the existence of vtubing. Off the top of my head Saruei, Layna Lazar, Lucahjin, AmaLee, CyYu, just recently Dexbonus.
Does their past activity preclude them from being a "real" vtuber, even before it was possible? Is that really reasonable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
Only "vtuber" that makes this work is squchan mostly because she's self aware enough to make sure the camera angle stops at her neck and she can actually cook
Also helps that when she dresses to show off her figure rather than wearing jeans and a black t shirt like these 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249976
she was a member of hololive who graduated a couple weeks after she debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249976
>its when you say "hey this me"
kson does not do this
they are separate characters on the same channel
watch streams, monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249770
sorry mate, going to a new country and doing a stream making local food from there is a gajillion times more novel compared to the usual

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249996
>it works when it makes me wanna coom

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249978
if they do it on a seperate unconnected account, they are vtubers, even if everyone knows its them they created that account with the intent to vtube. If its on the same account they use to fleshtube, its not a vtubing account, its a content creation account that also utilizes live 2d and 3d, or as someone put it "hybrid"

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249935
both of those things still happen regularly
it's fine if you've gotten tired of it and moved on, honestly
novelty wears off quickly and people move on, happens all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249935
>Now I feel it so normie, ironically I blame the restrictions that are supposed to encourage creativity.
The restrictions are to protect company profits. The "restrictions = creativity" thing is a cope that fans came up with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250065
same channel is the same as saying its them, you can be this intellectually dishonest can you

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250085
>hybrid
And if they completely abandoned IRL content?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250132
she does not say that, ape

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249935
>Now I feel it so normie, ironically I blame the restrictions that are supposed to encourage creativity
yeah, it's pretty much because of what doki is talking about here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsnI3zuUbTY&t=2962s

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250152
depends on the fanbase and time elapsed. Most people know lilypichu and how she looks, most even her fans would not call her a vtuber even of she used a model for 3 years straight due to how significant the time she spent fleshtubing was. Even though Bao went to has been doing flesh streams lately, most see her as a vtuber, because of the overall communities view on her. But the moment she started posting the shorts and clips picked up steam, her flesh self has been gaining steam, more and shell be recognized as a hybrid streamer for sure, as opposed to someone like shylily who we do know what she looks like but she hardly posts about it and doesnt make it part of her content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250152
like CookieSwirl?
i think it's fair to call her a vtuber now, yeah
she still does IRL event iirc but eh, close enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249935
Retard they still do those things sometimes, the problem is that they're so rich now that they just do the bare minimum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250173
if you are streaming on the same channel its saying its you, how retarded are you

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250494
tbf i dont think cookieswirlc really cares about being a vtuber, she got that model to connect with the kids, no one wants to watch an old lady play games

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250579
are misumi and unou the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250065
What the fuck are you smoking? Kson does vtube and flesh content on the exact same channel. It's so bad that you can't even post a screenshot of her vod page because there's so much flesh shit that mods ban you for "off topic". Honestly if it wasn't for the holo clout she would never be allowed here in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250071
it's really not
they're in a kitchen, they could be on the moon and it would add nothing to the stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250703
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250723
>ook ook ook

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250665
yeah, i'm a holofag but i have nothing but respect for her
she's dedicated to the craft and is a lovely hag to boot

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250786
>get btfo
>start spamming drivel so I stop talking to (bullying) you
Most intelligent ksoncel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250723
kson souchou and kson kumichou share a channel, that doesn't make them the same person. more than one can use a youtube channel. do you think smosh is one guy? are fuwawa and mococo a single entity and not twins? are you mentally handicapped?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
The last holo worth watching for me was FWMC and we saw what happened there. I've moved on and I'd recommend the same.

I fucking hate /lig/ or /vlig/ tho since twitch whores, and mostly stick to small corpos where talent, entertainment, and respect can still be found.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250937
There's no way this isn't bait right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250972
ok phasekek

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250078
It's about being high effort
Wearing a face mask and just doing an irl stream is the most lazy way to go about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250759
what do you mean who

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250937
When those two "entities" both react to the Yakuza collab by saying "that's me" then it's pretty undeniably the same person who is definitely not trying to pretend to be 2 different people. Ksontards are mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251049
>panning the camera down slightly = high effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251112
who the fuck is misumi

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250509
And I'm supposed to swallow hundreds of hours a week of lazy content in the slim hope of having a vestige of what their old glories were?
And I'm supposed to be the retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251237
yes taking steps to not break immersion is higher effort than not giving a fuck ksonkek

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251268
>moving goalposts
You said they don't do those things because of restrictions, I told you that they do and therefore those restrictions are made up in your head. Whether or not you enjoy specific content is an entirely different topic you stupid little tranny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251016
I only really watch Jelly and Clara from phase. Everyone else is scattered across the other corpos, like Katta, Lottie, Mono, Mero, etc etc
>who?
It doesn't matter. I'm just clarifying that corpo loyalty is retarded and it's equally retarded to consider phase as the only small corpo worth watching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251303
muhammad moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>75250484
kson is a vtuber
Bao is a vtuber
Onigiri is a vtuber
kyoresu is a vtuber
lilypichu can be one if she says she will use a vtuber model at a regular occurence
Hybrid creators are vtubers, cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251333
so you actually are a phasekek
lmao, knew it

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251216
hololive members are out describing irl events they took part in that their avatar was not involved with so there's nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251268
you can do whatever you want, you aren't missed
but the "objective" reasons you gave are bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251433
They should all be banned here tbqh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
Besides Ui-mama and Rurudo I never watched a stream outside of hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251216
https://youtu.be/zPUvIuBUXGA?t=3774
oh no no no no no no no muhammedbrozzers

[Anonymous No.]

>>75238690
Say one unique content that indies do, in fact you don't need, I'll answer, drama. That's their only difference, indie has dramas not every week, but every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251525
I haven't heard a single instance of that, and the only ones who might actually do something that retarded are already unpopular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75240823
150k people were watching Pekora just last week, go suck some cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251640
i have heard multiple instances of that without even watching any so you must be brain dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251571
>hurr she pretended she didn't know who it was for a minute as a joke, she's totally seriously pretending to be a different person
Never reply to me again retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251433
>kson is a vtuber
>her character?
>her real life self she's just that interesting
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251702
>it came to me in a dream
Either post proof or go dilate and let the adults talk, mmkay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75245107
That's why I hate indies, their fans are unironically vtubing(the whole concept)antis

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
people don't use youtube as a streaming platform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
oh shit they're cute.
Good luck to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251433
Gorillaz are vtubers
any VA ever is a vtuber
Donald Trump is a vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251433
RTGame is a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251559
The janny can decide whether or not to ban their flesh content but their vtuber streams will always be on topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251720
>he still thinks vtubers play characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251716
>muhammed's only exposure to kson is 100k+ views clips
classic

[Anonymous No.]

>>75246869
>Eating shit while watching don't laugh video#167
Vs
>Playing and engaging in a game's world that you never played
They're definitely the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

I sometimes watch Veibae because she stream EU hours and I find her genuinely funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>75248036
Success breeds jealousy, simple as that

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251763
here are a few hundred examples i have found through substantial research
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hololive+trip+animated

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251851
I picked a translated clip so I could post it in here for everyone to see that you're a lying faggot, unlike you posting a JP stream and praying that everyone is stupid enough to believe you because they don't understand it.

The worst part of all this is that you're most definitely some kind of brown or yellow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75249139
Yeah, we should be progressive and evolve this hobby. Why hide behind a model, that's for losers lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251975
lmao you don't understand the stream i linked

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251924
Oh you're just talking about regular blogging, that's not the same as what we're talking about here retardbro. The topic is about proclaiming to the public that your flesh persona and vtube persona are the same person. This is why I don't like talking to ESLs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251320
I am tired of vague content
>Bu bu... But they are creative sometimes almost never
Okey anon I trust you because why not and I don't plan to review
>ha! "You move the goalposts card"
Are you clinically retarded or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252007
>>75251851
>>75251571
is this satire?
are you a kson anti trying to make her fans seem retarded?
because this is a straight up pathetic level of mental gymnastics

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251433
PewDiePie is a vtuber, cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252007
Apparently you don't even understand it. Hell, you don't even understand the English text in my pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252133
>the winner of the grand prix, my partner, kson-kumichou
there you go mahmout

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252081
worth noting that in the search query he linked there's not a single relevant instance
most of those clips refer to Holofes, an event where they partecipated with their avatar, or offcollabs

[Anonymous No.]

>innovation
>innovation
>innovation
>innovation
Just say you hate the hobby and want it to change, like the little tranny that you are. If you don't like it anymore don't watch it instead of trying to change it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252195
>anymore
they never did
at most they tried it out for a while when it got popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252081
they're anime girls describing things they did as flesh beings, breaking the immersion.

[Anonymous No.]

also i called it from the very first reply that this was going to be a thread where streetshitters from /#/ seethe about kson
predictable creatures

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252170
>the joke is reality, and the serious talk doesn't even exist
Kson forma de fleshwhore also stated that the Yazkua character is herself. You are mentally ill and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you're trolling me so this is your last (You).

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252248
So you're ESL and also mentally handicapped. Not uncommon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252395
just say you realized your post was retarded and you want to retract it instead of this esl cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252446
I'm explicitly telling you that what you're arguing is different to the topic at hand. I'm not going to humor you by changing the topic like you want. You were wrong from the very beginning and that's that. I have no interest in letting subhumans like you have their way. Speak to the topic at hand, or just go forage for pagpag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252289
>You are mentally ill
you are in literally every thread that you can possibly imagine relating to kson in some way writing your made up copypasta monkey spiel about her
look in the mirror you fucking streetshitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252528
nijiseethe. vtubers immersion break all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252580
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252615
i didn't concede. you just aren't smart enough to understand what you were arguing despite being a big boy english pro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252691
Ironic when you still don't understand the topic even though I literally spoonfed you what it is. ESLs always tire me out faster than normal retards and you're both ESL and retarded so I'm done here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251530
>reasons you gave are bullshit
I'm a grown man who expects more than baby food when I visit the best restaurant in town.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75251716
>>75251975
>>75252289
If I may interject for a moment. You are using a clip as proof that Souchou broke immersion and claimed Kumichou is herself but her actual words are different from the translation.

>How was it? My voice acting!
She didn't actually say "my". 「みんあさんどうですか?声優?」Is more like "how is the voice acting?". It is not specified that she is the one doing the acting.

>How was my acting?
「どうですか?演技?」Is also more like "how is the acting?".

The second screenshot was likewise a story she told in third-person but I ain't typing all that.

You can now apologize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75253417

[Anonymous No.]

>>75252195
plus it's not even necessary to explain why you like indies, hololive is in a lot of ways the most watered down, bland down version of vtubing so no "innovation" is needed for the stuff outside of it to be appealing

[Anonymous No.]

>>75254384
>it's not even necessary to explain why you like indies
Yeah, the flies don't explain why they like shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>75254633
>the flies don't explain why they like shit
very succinct description of hololive fans, actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
I used to watch Hololive exclusively.
Now I mostly watch Vshojo and indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
5 years being a pure hololive and it won't change. Just it's existence makes faggots seethe, we're just that powerful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75255237(me)
*holofag

[Anonymous No.]

5 years of only watching marvel movies and won't change. just our existence makes faggots like Martin Scorsese seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>75255379
Marvetes are retarded but they're 10x more based than le black and white cult movie fan, just like how faggots like (You) try to feel special for watching some unknown who

[Anonymous No.]

>>75256013
>martin scorsese
>some unknown who
kek
actual retard

[Anonymous No.]

Best I can say about this thread is that it's better than threads with just a picture, the text "What did they mean by this?" and no other context.
But that's a pretty low bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75256013
marvel movies have the most viewers so they're the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>75257343
based holochad

[Anonymous No.]

>>75244500
It's only a numbers question if you hate Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>75243492
>kson has the horny incel simp audience, the same kind as hot tub twitch whore streamers
lol imagine pretending that isn't the audience of 99% of vtubers, and describes you guys as well. Everyone knows damn well you guys watch these women just to fantasize being with them, just like the dudes with twitch women do. Stop the bullshit. This is 4chan, where all chronic-masturbating porn-addicted virgins reside. None of you care for females for any reason other than for your sexual-satisfaction and romantic-fantasies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75257678
hololive fans entire POV is that hololive is better than indies because of bigger numbers, it doesn't work the other way around since a lot of indie fans often watch one or two holos

[Anonymous No.]

>>75236764
I watch indies exclusively. Not even mostly indies - just and only indies.
It's not like I didn't try watching hololive, but I can't stand their confectionery, formulated, decorous style. It feels to me like watching teletubbies with tits but for autistic people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>75255237
>>75255379
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>75257959
Numbers are just a means to show that they're superior, just like their concerts, songs, hologra, fes, anniversaries and etc.
>>75258701
Anyone that says formulated should kill themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>75255237
>faggots really are seething
I kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>75259241
>just like their concerts, songs, hologra, fes, anniversaries and etc
not caring about all this slop is actually a big reason I quit watching hololive
every time there was a mandatory merch drop of some dropshipped plastic shit from china after an hour or so I got hit hard with a the realization that I'm watching the vtuber equivalent of mcdonalds

[Anonymous No.]

>>75253417
>No response from the gentleman who was mad about a false narrative a clipper created.
Disappointing but I'm not surprised. See you all in the next bait thread!

[Anonymous No.]

>>75259400
See, that's why we use numbers, they're facts, everything else you guys will call slop anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>75259814
you have the numbers all twisted though. big numbers means inoffensive and easily accessible. not "good".

[Anonymous No.]

>>75259814
and that's why you guys are and always will be the vtuber fan equivalent of marvelfags. pretty gay in general but at least you aren't nijiniggers, they're the only ones I can think of that base their entire identity around hating non-corposlave vtubers more religiously than you lot