/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

The lack of a drive for medium-length content (i.e. 10-20 mintues) is going to kill vtubing long-term. It's already starting to happen. Outside of short-form clips and long-form steams, there exists no happy middle ground. As a result, vtubers have no staying power beyond the parasocial aspect, because their content is either too fragmentary to be substantive or is so egregiously bloated that the average person won't ever care to watch streams.

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>>75015270
>>>/a/

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>>75015270
are you retard or just zoomer?

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There are plenty of clips and edited down streams that fall into TV episode length being made.

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>>75015270
They should learn from Asmongold. Nigga streams on an unmonetized channel, no ad, no sub, with only 20k viewers but gains millions of views on youtube every single day.

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>>75015270
He says this as pekora plays Dragonball for three hours in front of 100k people

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>>75016653
They would need to be entertaining for that

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>>75015270
Congrats on making the most retarded post I've seen on the board currently

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>>75016745
What's her highest ccv? Bc if the biggest vtuber in the world only has like 100k ccv then it's kinda bad desu.

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>>75017183
Go back.

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>>75017183
Go back

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>>75017183
thats just the nature of vtubing. 10 times the effort for 10 times less the returns. look at the two current hottest new streamers for zoomers. caseoh and jynxzi. the former just sits there while people makes fat jokes and makes fake shocked reactions, the latter is just loud = funny. both regularly hit insane numbers (i think caseoh recently hit 100k concurrent watching fucking tik toks) but neither does anything special. meanwhile vtubers out here putting on full concerts and doing kayfabe and the best numbers they can pull is still the lowest numbers b-tier flesh streamers like mois critikal pull "reacting" to yt videos and providing the dullest commentary ever. its just the nature of vtubing / flesh streaming. vtubers get less views cos theyre vtubers and normies cant handle them.

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>>75016816
>asmongold
>entertaining

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>>75016745
I don't care about CCV, I'm interested in how many of those viewers aren't bots, aren't on a second monitor and aren't just spamming emotes in the chat.

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>>75015270
Modern Vtubers are early Lets Play era level content creators with the only difference being they have a anime avatar. The only branching out I have seen is vtubers doing video essays and thats usually without the vtuber model and vtubers covering drama. The fact that the most popular english vtuber is an ai vtuber shows how entertaining the rest of the landscape is. The most popular english male is shoto and he struggles to hit three thousand viewers and has a china fanbase.

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>>75015270
>>75016653
It's interesting how afaik no vtuber has employed the standard youtube meta of editing streams down into highlight videos. It's common for fleshstreamers to make 80%+ of their income from their back catalog. And obviously if an entire ecosystem of clippers can survive there's no reason a vtuber couldn't also.
There's a couple chuubas who hire a clipper to make a few shorts here and there, but no one does the whole "employ a team of five guys to put out a video every day"
Obviously the smaller indies couldn't afford that, but lots of people start out doing their own editing.

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>>75020589
Dokibird actually has a team of five guys {insert pun here} to clip for her. Her aim for good content isnt the best though.

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>>75020589
Kirsche’s editor puts up 10-20 minute clips of her rants/tangents on her YT channel. Fillian’s does something similar. Mari Mari underscore EN has been clipping bits of her VODs into shorts

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>>75016653
the hardest part would be to find good editors like he has

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>>75017183
It's more than enough to sustain plenty of people's careers, and most importantly, an active scene. Let's not forget that becoming big always has its downsides: it paints a target on your back. It attracts vultures and parasites, invasion and subversion.

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>>75015270
Ok but Aura is better than KEKren.

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>>75020811
Really strange that it's them and not any of the conventional vtubers, and also how they're all directly connected.
Maybe it's issues with corpo shit?
So small indies can't afford editors, and big corpos can't get perms for them, leaving only the middle ground of moderately successful indies who can't/won't join a group.

Or maybe women are just bad at video editing.

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>>75015270
>As a result, vtubers have no staying power beyond the parasocial aspect
>the parasocial aspect
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>>75015270

terrible take op you should apply for the cirrus

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>>75015270
vtubing died when it became only streaming

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>>75022188

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>>75022502
What has a (corpo level) vtuber ever done other than just stream (other than music videos)?

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>>75022860
You're close to understanding.

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>>75022809

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>>75022809
I wish she did this to me

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>>75023173
I can do it to you for free if you give mecum tributes :3

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>>75023697
It's not free if you have to trade for it.

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>>75022969
Is this real?

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>>75015270
my streams are 30 minites

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>>75021908
With a corpo in the middle, the earnings are split 3 ways. That's probably just not feasible for most clippers. Not to mention they would probably need to sign contracts and all that.

Better to go directly for an Indie or make the clips yourself I guess

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>>75022809
I can smash your balls with my heels if you really want it so badly

[Anonymous No.]

We need vtubers that make video essays.

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>>75015270
I would do this, if I weren't male and ESL.

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>>75022809
twisty twisty :)

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>>75024154
With a corpo there shouldn't be any split, they should have a team of video editors on salary, some producing mid-form and some producing short-form.

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>>75020589
You see shorts abuse but not og youtube meta strategies, which still work great.

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>>75016653
his editors do a lot of work and honestly carry the channel.

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>>75015270
Medium form content is not the meta anymore. PewDiePie-style 10-20 minutes commentary or gameplay videos does not rack up subs and views as they used to be.

YouTube priorities shorts. It would be unwise for them to tap into this dying market

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>>75020589
Lots of streamers do this. Do you only watch Holo and Niji or something? It's pretty standard.

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>>75015270
>/#/
also kill yourself
i don't fucking care about average person. i will keep watching my oshi and not giving a shit about normaltards

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>>75024459
Leftist Harry Potter criticism always focuses on irrelevant shit that isn't worth giving a shit about like muh slavery and ignores actually important stuff like Rowling denying us WMAF kino (holy shit, now that I think about it Cho Chang was my first waifu - I guess it didn't cross my mind before because HP isn't anime). Regardless, Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire were the absolute best books I read as a kid, so fuck that guy.

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>>75023173
DM me and I can make it happen

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>>75015270
Medium length content is youtube propaganda. Their algorithm is designed towards minutes watched so it's incentivized that make videos that are long, but not too long so viewers lose interest.

This doesn't really matter in vtubing because like you pointed out, it's more focused on the parasocial aspect. Newcomers will get enticed by the clips then stay for the long streams. Middle length is pointless until you're a channel that actually makes scripted content.

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>>75015270
maybe you're watching the wrong channels. i see 10-20 minute clips almost every day.

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>>75015270
>The lack of a drive for medium-length content (i.e. 10-20 mintues) is going to kill vtubing long-term
From what year you come from, time traveler anon? In our present vtubing exploded in popularity right after they abandoned that form of content, just so you know.

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>>75015270
That's how I ended up watching filian streams. Simply building up from clips and edits all the way to VODs

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>>75026738
I watch stuff from big corpos to corpos small enough they can't maintain a 24/7 general here and medium length stuff is quite rare. I actually ended up making some because I prefer that kind of content. The response the videos got suggested to me that the community largely just isn't interested. And I'm not just a hobbyist that has no idea what I'm doing, I've edited one or two videos with over a million views, and many many more in the 700k+ area. I did shorts for the same vtuber and even much lazier work from me got far better results.

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>>75026738
>>75028565
Sorry, lost my train of thought. My point was despite watching a pretty wide range of vtubers and preferring medium length content, I rarely actually see it, so I'm surprised you're seeing a lot of it

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>>75015270
okay but what does frieren have to do with this?

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>>75028830
Vtubers dont have the personality or charisma to maintain an audience for that long. And video essays dont count and dont contribute to stream viewers.

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>>75020589
Oyabun made that mistake
>I want to watch a streamer
>Should I watch A or B?
>A makes highlight reals
>B doesn't
>A will make a reel with the best moments anyway
>Better watch B then!
And the CCV dies. Streamers want memberships and superchats, not ad revenue.

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>>75017183
she beat just got 168k a few days ago

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>>75020589
I've wished Hololive would look into this

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>>75015270
You're describing Fuwamoco mornings

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>>75035876 me
I will say though, a big flesh tuber I'm familiar with said his highlights videos weren't profitable enough to justify making them any more, and this guy was getting a TON of views

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>>75036171
the point of the highlights isn't profit. they're to attract new viewers through shorter, more digestible content that make your streams seem more interesting. not to mention, the short form content doesn't have to just be highlights of streams, they can be original content too like Legend of Polka

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>>75015270
You can blame Nijisanji for killing vtubing as we know it. If they never took off we'd have much more balanced vtuber content to this day instead of everyone dumping all their eggs into long-ass streams.

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>>75022809
what is the lore behind this image...

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>>75018708
the bottom line is that most vtubers aren’t good enough to be watchable, if you take away the sexual/parasocial aspect. even the caseoh’s the world will mog most vtubers, seriously, turn his stream on sometime. it’s bottom of the barrel content, but you probably genuinely will laugh

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>>75020589
Do you only watch corpo? Corpo vtubers don't but it's pretty standard for a lot of indie vtubers to make and upload their own clips almost every day, at least in JP.

[Anonymous No.]

There'a Vtuber I'm actively watching right now who kind of has a middle ground. Not 10-20 minutes as OP wants but nost streams are only 1-2 hours long which is enough to watch a little bit live, then a bit of VOD during breakfast or other things. Keeps things from going stale and burning out. I remember how i burned out on pomu. It started with metal gear. She consistantly put out streams 5-10 hours in length on top of her alreafy long streams i rarely ever watched in full. It was simply impossible to catch up and then she made 50% of her topics and references about MG as well.

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>>75016653
Perfect for poorfag teen zoomers.

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>>75038673
I think retards are just more easily entertained and thus are happy to consume retarded content.

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>>75039233
I just caught up with her MGS VODs during the week because I didn't watch her Minecraft or most collabs

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>>75038673
I dont watch twitch

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>>75024251
Is this offer still good?

[Anonymous No.]

streamers have been around for over a decade at this point retard

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>>75015270
slutty ears

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>>75016653
One person who just got into a corp that I will not not name got in based on this approach. They do this at a smaller level and took the proof of concept to the audition

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>>75040521
OOPS i meant to tag this: >>75020589

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>>75015270
They just need to groom editors

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>>75015270

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>>75015270

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>>75015270
You're onto something here