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>Joins nijisanji
>become poor
>cries after spilling 3 day old stew because you're too poor to afford more food
>has a mental breakdown afterwards
So this is what happens when you join nijisanji

>> No.74999662

Well, yeah. Any recent generation is filled with morons who don't keep up with how things are. Joining these days is a terrible idea and only for the most desperate. It should be blatant these days.

>> No.74999820

Watching new NijiEN gen is now like watching those documentary about people lured into illegal business/scam offices because they are poor and cant escape

>> No.74999952

The important thing is that you had the honor of defending the company's reputation on twitter

>> No.75000106

>>74999586
WTF is this real?

>> No.75000137

>>75000106
It's more likely that she's depressed and upset at everything going on, and this was more of a breaking point rather than simply being upset over food. Life's gotta suck in Nijisanji right now, especially for the runts who would've been better off not joining at all.

>> No.75000161

>>75000137
I know that feeling when you just had shit time lately and then you spill something and it's all crushing down on you suddenly.

>> No.75000251

no archive

>> No.75000259

>>75000137
Didn't someone claim her oshis are PomuSelen ? Imagine seeing your senpai leaving then seeing your other senpai getting blasted by your own company. And now you became Niji collateral damage and got your growth killed off because of it

If I were her, I would just throw away the towel and give Riku my resignation letter because there is no reason to stay there both financially and mentally

>> No.75000270

>>74999586
I feel so fucking bad for this bitch like you wouldn't believe it.
For some reason she triggers my savior complex like no other... Am I turning into a simp?

>> No.75000301

>>75000259
She literally posted pics of merch of Pomu/Selen/Chihiro.
They all graduated within 3 months of her debut.

>> No.75000310

>>75000270
You are on /vt/. Everybody who actually watched chuubas here are only a few steps removed from donating their kidneys to their oshi, and some are already that far gone. It comes with the territory. The rest are here to shitpost.

>> No.75000340

>>75000259
She probably has to ride out the contract otherwise she would have left already.

>> No.75000351

>>75000259
>>75000301
lol does she like to be emotionally tortured by staying after all that

>> No.75000369

>>75000351
She signed a contract and knows they'll Zaion/Selen her if she leaves.

>> No.75000385

>>75000340
And she can't just fuck off until the contract expires like Kotoka is doing?

>> No.75000421

>>75000385
Anon, she's broke. She can't be vtubing on the side because of the contract, so unless she gets a real job, streaming is better than nothing. It's a trap that she fell into.

>> No.75000462

>>75000421
>She can't be vtubing on the side
To make sure I'm clear here, I mean she can't just get a new vtuber persona or go to her old ones while also in Nijisanji to make more money. Sadly, she's stuck here until she finds a way to get out of the contract whether it be expiring or whatever.

>> No.75000476

>>75000421
If she doesn't already have a real job she must be homeless right about now

>> No.75000483

>>75000340
That's weird. I thought they could just leave at any time.

>> No.75000490

>>75000483
If she wanted to leave she could just fucking ask

>> No.75000510

>>75000483
If I remember correctly, terminating it early will make them have to pay Niji back for some things. They cannot just leave practically, even if they could legally.

>> No.75000534

VIVI IF YOU'RE HERE READING THIS THREAD
I love you.

>> No.75000543

>>75000534
GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN

>> No.75000545

>>75000385
Unlikely. From what I understand, she is responsible for paying her debts. The company gives you a model etc to get you started, but you have to pay for it.

I have little doubt the entire newest gen would have quit by now if they could. They are stuck.

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75000573

>>75000545
Claude cocksucker? Quit? Are you serious?

>> No.75000608

>>75000545
Claude would probably stay, but kunai and vivi need to get the fuck out.

>> No.75000635

Don’t worry. Her fanbase will come to the rescue, just like Pomu’s fanbase sav- oh…

>> No.75000647

>>75000251
>nijisister
>members vod
>privated immediately
i don't think vivi has tech literate fans that know how to archive live let alone members that know how to

>> No.75000649
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75000649

>pay Nijisanji for various things pre-debut that most corpos would pay for
>earn barely any money since NijiEN is oversaturated as fuck and losing fans constantly
>cliques and bullying are rampant
>terrible merch cuts of 1-3%
>concerts are now mostly failures
>3D is a pipe dream any time this century
>can't leave without paying Niji back for the scant things they paid for
>can't be a vtuber on the side to make up for low revenues
>need to work a job just to get by
>stuck here for at least a year
>speaking up will get you lynched by their chinese rabid fans
JUST

>> No.75000724

>desperate stagnant 3view
>Join Niji in hopes of success
>take on huge debt for model, assets etc
>join just as everything comes crashing down
>get lower ccv than your PL
I almost feel bad for them

>> No.75000759

On the positive side, this seems to be a consistent pipeline into Vshojo... so there's that...

>> No.75000774

>>75000301
she must be feeling liek crap since her oshis left in quick succession

>> No.75000787

>So this is what happens when you join nijisanji
And everyone who isn't delusional knows this. No pity for this bitch, you reap what you sow, nobody forced her to become a bootlicker for Riku.

>> No.75000824

>>75000647
it's funny because the sisters are the majority of their archivers even for the girls and their male archivers in the past have usually just dropped the links for everyone to get at kek
someone might have it but she probably just cant pull many of the archive anons since they've got several dozen people they already handle, and if they do have it you probably wont find it here.

>> No.75000885

>>75000369
She's practicing to become the next Yoko Taro MC.

>> No.75000903

>>75000421
At this point, flipping burgers would be more lucrative than streaming is for her right now.

>> No.75001002

>>75000759
>consistent pipeline into Vshojo
>Pomu
no
>Selen
no
>Nina
yes
>Mysta
yes
>Yugo
no
>Kyo
no
>Zaion
no
>Mika
yes
far from consistent, but there's a pattern

>> No.75001045

>>74999586
What happened? My gifted membership just expired yesterday fuck

>> No.75001053

>>74999586
Is Vivi the one making the threads? Please, just buy a fucking ad

>> No.75001077

>>75001045
allegedly she broke down crying after spilling her food during a membership stream.

>> No.75001120

>>75001053
If she had the money she would've getting some actual food instead of relying on coupons

>> No.75001139

>>75001002
If you cross off the ones that former Nijis would never allow into Vshojo (Zaion and Selen) off of the list, it becomes an even split. The pattern would show that you can if you wanted to.

>> No.75001227

>>75000301
Too bad, she has to lick Elira/Milllie/Enna boots now.

>> No.75001234

>>75001139
Would Mika even count? She's ID, not EN. And if you count all of ID, then it's absolutely not an even split.
Also I'm pretty sure if Doki offered to join Vshojo, they'd be insane to pass it up. It's not like they give a shit about hiring ex-nijis. (Though it'll hopefully never happen. The doki must be free.)

>> No.75001254

>>74999586
she can just go ahead and fuck things up, like saying dumb shit about Korean plastic surgery or homophobic crap until Niji's like 'Yeah she's not worth it'

Kyo manages to bail early even though they're supposedly locked into a two-year contract. probably because he's not producing any $$$ in the first place

>> No.75001296

>>75001234
>Hire someone who has a history of trying to kill themselves if things don't go their
No I think Gunrun is smarter than that.

>> No.75001327

>>75001234
>if Doki offered to join Vshojo
If you knew anything about the way Vshojo operates, you are never going in without either being gigantic already or nepotism. But the nepotism is extremely deep in Vshojo. If a chuuba wouldn't want a girl to get in, they will not, simple as that. Hence Zaion would be a no go. And Selen is probably a no-go.

>> No.75001383

>>75001327
Selen and Nina never had any beef idk why you think they'd veto her.
She doesn't wanna be vshojo though she's under an esports agency.

>> No.75001392

>>75001327
To elaborate on my point, Selen is big enough for Vshojo, but there is no way in hell she would get an offer or accepted. One of the former Nijis in there would oppose it and that is enough in Vshojo to not get in. Trust me, this is how it works in that company. It's like a vtuber version of Meangirls for recruiting at least.

>> No.75001409

>>75001327
Eh, Sayu's case is more "Matara fucking hates me so I can't get in even if I have the numbers to apply," but I can't see the downsides to letting in someone with a hypothetical Doki's numbers and reputation. It's not like anyone there hates her. Matara seems pretty indifferent, if anything.

>> No.75001440

>>75001383
>>75001409
I admit I'm more familiar with Vshojo and the goings on there with the older members. I haven't been a fan of the recent ones besides Henya. I figured Selen would be considered the same way by them as Zaion, but if she isn't, then ignore me.

>> No.75001465

>>75001002
Yeah and the pattern is Matara. Ethyria in Vshojo next year.

>> No.75001468

>>75001327
Ironlung is vshojo's Elira.
If she passes her vibe check she's in. The rest will all fall in line.

>> No.75001482

>>75001468
That's a pretty good way to put it. I agree.

>> No.75001504

>>75001409
Sayu's situation is being actually hard to work with. Matara does not want to share a workplace with her after what Sayu did to her. Doki is one of the few people in Niji who actually gave a shit about doing projects and including people in events. She'd be an asset to any corpo that gets her.

>> No.75001546

>>75001504
>Matara does not want to share a workplace with her after what Sayu did to her.
Jesus, stop being so dramatic

>> No.75001585

>>75001546
That isn't dramatic at all. It's just the current state of things.

>> No.75001596

>>74999586
Where are the "we will support you if you are in niji" sisters?

>> No.75001607

>>75001053
>no money for food
>just buy ads lmao
You're a special one, aren't you?

>> No.75001615

>>75001440
Zaion's case is unique because she was barely in there for any time, only forming relationships with a very small group of people(who mostly turned on her after the termination like Finana or Kotoka), and Matara specifically hates her due to revealing that she had imposter syndrome during one of her breakdowns way back... which is still baffling to me considering Matara constantly talked about it herself before and since, but whatever. She hates Sayu, and they don't seem to be making up any time soon.
Selen never really interacted with Nina to begin with on screen or off, and I doubt they have any real reason to now unless Matara wants to pump her savior clout again.

>> No.75001684

>>75001615
Well they had a few group collabs here and there but yeah... nothing like what she had with Pomu or Rosemi.

>> No.75001872

>>74999586
Meh like I said in the last thread, she joined after the Zaion debacle so she's pretty retarded.

>> No.75002047

>>75001872
Zaion managed to get herself in three major contreversies during her short stay there
>Sexual assault jokes
>Jew jokes
Which in turn made her rabbid shota obsession come out so much worse.
Her termination wasn't handled well, but Zaion definitely screwed the pooch on that one.

>> No.75002107

>>75002047
She's so perfect bros...

>> No.75002140

>>74999586
Quit and reapply for hololive in 6 months vivi and if hololive doesn't hire you then VShojo will just GET OUT BEFORE IS TOO LATE.

>> No.75002161

>>75002047
>three major controversies
Literally NONE of those are controversies. HoloENs have had worse ones but no one gives a shit because
a. they don't have absolutely rabid backstabbing fans
b. they don't have absolutely rabid backstabbing coworkers
It's literally just the culture surrounding Niji that led to her unjustified termination

>> No.75002175

>>75001465
Anon Enna, Millie and Reimu snubbed Nina when she tried to interact with them.
I highly doubt ethyria will reconvene in Vshojo.

>> No.75002181

>>75002047
>Jew jokes
You mean that one time when she called out chat for the jokes that they were making?

>> No.75002203

>>75002047
It's so fucked up that nijisisters will overlook Enna sharing legit child pornography with her Genmates but will attack Zaion for liking shota

>> No.75002207

>>75000421
She makes less than a minimum wage worker as a Niji.

>> No.75002283

>>75002203
What makes it worse she showed naked kids that she took images herself, that's the wildest part imo.

>> No.75002284

>>75001409
Wasn't the issue with froot and IM rather Tha Matara?

>> No.75002311

>>75000421
>>75000476
>>75000462
The real fucked up part is that Niji might have forced her to give up even non vtubing side jobs. Ci Yu said that he applied to niji, and that they had asked him to stop working as a VA unless it was under him, or something along those lines.

>> No.75002316

>>75002047
>Jew jokes
Really? still on this? here's the supposed "joke" btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa38OJjHe2I

>> No.75002323

>>75001615
>She hates Sayu, and they don't seem to be making up any time soon.
The fuck are you talking about, they tweeted at each other not too long ago

>> No.75002341

>>74999586
I wanna save her...

>> No.75002362

>>75002323
What? Anon, are you sure you didn't dream that?

>> No.75002379

>>75002362
Sayu did tweet at her, but Idk if the roach responded

>> No.75002428

>she retweeted and liked the black screen stream
she gets what she fucking deserves

>> No.75002450
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75002450

>>75002379
Sayu never learns

>> No.75002454

>>75002175
>Nina hung out with them at Otakuthon after graduating
>Millie and Nina had a meetup in January
>Nina has been collabing with Enna's buttbuddy Kyo even though he didn't get in to vshojo (probably because he's a 3view shitter on his own)
She's definitely on good terms with them and probably the plan before the Selen thing was for all of them to land in vshojo. That might be on hold because their reputation outside the Niji fanbase is shot while a large chunk of that fanbase will hate anyone who leaves, this is probably why Matara hates Doki now because she fucked things up for the other Ethyria members

>> No.75002539

>>75002379
Wasn't that before she threw herself into twitter drama again?

>> No.75002567

>>75002428
>implying she had a choice

>> No.75002606

>>75002567
Scarle seemed to have one

>> No.75002627

>>75002311
They're definitely fine with side jobs unless it's a public facing entertainment job. Pomu talked about her day job for several months and left it because she was making more from streaming, not because she was forced to.

>> No.75002632

I can give a pass to the organs who just retweeted the stream, management probably told everyone to do it. The ones who chose to quote it tho? Fuck every single one of them.

>> No.75002637

she can't even go back to doing commission stuff for duellogs because of nijisanji's non compete clause and duellogs is technically a vtuber

>> No.75002639

>>74999586
She made her bed. Now she'll have to lie in it.

>> No.75002647

>>75002161
Remember how Kyo was forced to make a public apology to Koreans because he said Korea had good plastic surgery? It has nothing to do with being fair or being true, it's all PR and when something generates bad PR the company has to react. Zaion was spamming bad PR.
>>75002181
>>75002316
Exactly the ones. Truth doesn't matter, only public perception and Zaion was percieved as PR poison too early on in her career.

>> No.75002664

>>75001296
>Hired mikeneko

>> No.75002682

>>75002637
Dude, what the fuck? I watch that guy. He had some connection with her? I had no idea. Small world.

>> No.75002701

>>75002454
It's probably less that Matara hates Doki, or even Sayu, but just wants none of the drama. She hasn't really shit talked anyone or anything or said anything negative, other than her last company couldn't manage and there was no opportunity for her to do much.

If I had to guess, she doesn't want to disclose things to Sayu or hang out with her if she's going to leak her mental state or speculate. She doesn't want to be close to Doki since she still likely has nijisanji friends that have been hurt by the whole situation. It's not necessarily that Matara hates anyone, but is just avoiding drama. It's why she loves hanging out with Onigiri, Bricky, and Pomu. They're just no bullshit friends that are free of drama.

>> No.75002704

>>75000545
Claude was 1view male indie before Niji, he will suck riku cock until they pull the plug on NijiEN, and considering he is also homesexual in relationship with an indie male sucking Riku cock isn't even that hard test of will for him.

>> No.75002719

>>75002647
Having fujos, mentally ill trannies, and the chinese as a fanbase was already a poison in of itself

>> No.75002722

>>75001139
if you're looking for patterns, only people who have offcollabed with Nina have joined Vshojo

>> No.75002727

>>75002682
After Towa he moved on to Rosemi because yugioh autism

>> No.75002730

>>75002664
The lure of having 2 former top Holos in his company was too much.

>> No.75002737

>>75002454
>That might be on hold
Temporary hold, probably until some point in 2025. People outside of /here/ have already moved the target from Millie / Enna to Elira and Matara's reputation is good enough for most people to buy "They're cool" if she vouces for them.

>> No.75002762

>>75002664
>believed she could change
he was too optimistic

>> No.75002779

>>75002647
Nobody cared until they suspended her (which was actually because she was butting heads with management) and then the Twitter mob started trying to dig up dirt that Anycolor used to slander her

>> No.75002793

>>75002730
Nta, but as a Vshojo enjoyer, this was supposed to be for their big attempt to get into the Japanese market... with limited success.

>> No.75002827

>>75002701
Pomu isn't entirely free of drama, she's literally is friends with and is in between the instigators and the victim of the incident. She avoided most of it by graduating but that didn't stop her from commenting on it (once only). The only reason Matara would bother is what I hope is the reason which is that they are great friends even if I dislike Matara.

>> No.75002847

>>75002793
It's really hard to break into a new market and it takes a lot of time and effort

>> No.75002856

>>75001227
She doesn't seem too hate it at all, to be honest.

>> No.75002885

>>75002827
Pomu left amicably and without destroying anyone's reputations. She kept it cool and professional to the end even if she had despair with the situation after leaving.

It's clear that both she and Mata hated working for Nijisanji at the end. Pomu is pretty much drama free in that regard.

>> No.75002895

>>75002701
I used "hates" somewhat facetiously but she definitely has made a conscious effort to avoid Doki (and probably told Kuro to as well since he followed/unfollowed her when the termination letter came out)
Meanwhile she is verifiably close with people still in NijiEN, Ethyria especially despite at one time being excluded by them

>> No.75002922

>>75001296
>mikecat
do your reps sister

>> No.75002920

>>75002701
Doki is and will be radioactive as long as people keep memeing niji's failure, which will be for a long time. She's still more known as the ex-niji who brought down a company than her own brand, and collabing with ex colleagues would only bring attention to that. I've got no doubt that she talked with some of them behind the scenes, but yeah - if you want to close that chapter of your live you don't have much of a choice.

>> No.75002932

Matara doesn't give a single fuck about the drama, she is friends with Urethra. The only reason why she ignores Doki is because:
>She wasn't close to Selen
>She is afraid of Niji trying to sue her if she tries to get close to Doki

>> No.75002974

>>75002722
>ethyria and elira are joing vshojo
grim

>> No.75002984

>>75002932
the cope is real,its because she is part of the clique thats why

>> No.75003010

>>75002567
You always have a choice

>> No.75003022

>>75002984
I'm going to laugh my ass off when Milllie and Enna join Vshoujo next year.

>> No.75003028

>>75002895
Did Doki ever tried to interact with her.? Why is it only her responsibility to reach out to certain people you want to or be branded le evil villain? Pomu is good friends with her before graduation. Kyo became somewhat close after she graduated and actively reached out to her. If Doki wants to talk to her she'll reach out.

>> No.75003030

Unironically just marry me Vivi
I'll look after you and nijisanji wont touch you if you're with me, I can turboboost your indie career and give you voice acting roles if you'd like that too.
Post with cat ears on twitter if you accept

>> No.75003043

>>75002567
>>implying she had a choice
what a dumbass

>> No.75003065

>>75002984
>part of the clique
>literally left niji because she was excluded, couldn't get help from management regarding projects, and niji refused to promote her

Yeah, nah. Fuck off.

>>75002932
Of course she gives a fuck. It affects her friends, and both current and former coworkers. She just wants to avoid it all because she is done with nijisanji. She's probably not surprised to see it all burn down, but probably thinks it's a disaster since the response is probably disproportionate and hurts people she was once, or even still close to.

>> No.75003068

please... this is a vivi thread... talk about vivi...

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75003084

>>75001596
On life support

>> No.75003104

>>75001409
the problem is that not even about hiring doki,but matara act like doki didnt exist while quinn/kyo shilled by her like he is suffering from the nijisanji torture lol

>> No.75003110

>>75003068
vivi can die, it's her fault for not supporting selen

>> No.75003113

>>75003068
Quiet Vivi

>> No.75003119

>>75003065
>Of course she gives a fuck.
If she gave a fuck she wouldn't have hanged out with them when they were in Japan. Matara only cares about Matara.

>> No.75003131

>>75002567
She had, stop with the copium. Scarle didn't retweet it, just like Kotoka, and there were no direct consequences.
She made her bed, now she has to lie in it.

>> No.75003157

>>75002450
>Sayu never learns
lol she learn that its possible to "kill" niji and drag it to the mud,which she did again and again,after selen incident,its free real estate for her lol,even kenji drama end up with him denying her being pedo KEK

>> No.75003173

>>75000137
>runts who would've been better off not joining at all.
I don't believe that. Being a 3 view is miles better than a high 2 view, even in a black company. Stay for a bit, then jump for better pastures when you can.

>> No.75003214

>>74999586
She unironically got screwed over along with the rest of her gen but there isn't functionally any way for her to get out of contract early without ruining her life because of reputational or monetary penalties. The only hope is NijiEN cutting it off early for her to start elsewhere.

>> No.75003218

>>75003068
We already talked about her.
>is stuck at niji
>her heroes left her
>talent morale is atrocious
>has to wait a year+ to graduate
>terminating her contract will ruin her
>not popular enough to survive on PL
I feel like she's a nice girl, but nobody can help her.

>> No.75003219

>>75000161
Yeah, it’s that moment where you spill some coffee on the table and decide you should kill yourself. I’ve been there

>> No.75003259

>>75003119
Siding fully with Doki in the most overt and comically visible way isn't the only way people would care about the situation, retard.

It's likely she still does have a good relationship with other nijis. She isn't helping spread the fire or starting other fires for their benefit, most likely. She wants to stay clear of that situation. That doesn't indicate apathy.

>> No.75003263

>>74999586
Is that superchat all she got for the pity baiting?

>> No.75003265

>>75003219
So your saying this would be their last cup of coffee?

>> No.75003266

>>75002719
>fujos
>trannies
>chinkies
enough for quinn to quit and be low 3view garbage even when propped up by his friends... even in that dire state he somehow ends up happier than in nijisanji. what a shitshow.
But fuck kyo, he totally84agk deserves worse

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>>75002637
>>75000649
>That one voice actor that those to not join because Niji was trying to coerce him to leaving his VA gig
>Niji fucking a liver over on their taxes and forced them to liquidate
This sounds like chinese business fuckery.
No conventions for Niji
No 3d for Niji
No join Niji
If in Niji then get out Niji
Never stick your dick in Niji
Get out Vivi. Out of Niji

>> No.75003288

>>75003173
That wasn't the case for Kunai. She actually has lower views as Kunai than who she was previously.

>> No.75003304

>>75003259
>Siding fully with Doki in the most overt and comically visible way isn't the only way people would care about the situation, retard.
Is really "not hanging out with the bullies" that hard to do? Pomu does it just fine.

>> No.75003320

>>75003265
Kek

>> No.75003444

>>75003304
Please understand, some of the vshoujo fans will do the most ridiculous mental gymnastics possible just to defend Matara being friends with terrible people

>> No.75003458

>>75003288
I don't believe you.

>> No.75003490

>>75003288
She has a base salary as Kunai now. Who cares about margin of 100 difference, I bet she has higher SC as Kunai too.

>> No.75003513

>>75003490
>base salary
>nijisanji
Anon... she isn't in hololive...

>> No.75003539

>>75003513
base salary is $0 a year

>> No.75003547

>>75003304
>Is really "not hanging out with the bullies" that hard to do? Pomu does it just fine.
You don't know that.

>> No.75003556

>>75003265
How dare you be that fucking funny this early in the morning.

>> No.75003568

>>75003458
she was actually bigger in her previous form.
the only one from TT who benefitted was Claude because he was actually going nowhere in his previous form

>> No.75003721

>>75003568
he seems like a complete stupid piece of shit so niji suits him perfectly

>> No.75003724

>>75002932
I wish she'd be friend with my Urethra if you know what I mean.

>> No.75003728
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>>75003547
>Pomu casually got a headache every time Matara invited her to a party with Urethra
>Went back to home right after her date with Kiara because the chicken was going to have dinner with Urethra
>"I learned some stuff about my previous work place that... how do I say this... I just don't know what to do anymore..."
>She hasn't mentioned Nijisanji or her previous coworkers since her graduation, but she referenced Selen a couple of times
Just give up

>> No.75003738

>>75000270
i would feel the same, but that one nexas debut haunts me more

>> No.75003744

>>75003724
Cockroaches do not belong there. They're filthy...

>> No.75003754

>>75003304
Jesus Christ, silence doesn't mean siding with bullies, nor do we know even what the real situation is. We have no clue to what degree Millie is even part of the Selen drama, or if Millie and Mata really did anything other than run into eachother. Stop assuming the worst, most malicious intent in every little thing.

>> No.75003777

>>75003754
yeah, same with Kiara right?

>> No.75003837

The doujins write themselves
I'd take advantage of this struggling woman in a heartbeat

>> No.75003845

>only options to post about Vivi are the Niji thread which feels like a minefield I never want to step into or falseflag threads by people that don't watch her trying to wield the situation like a weapon any way possible
Well it's a good thing I practically never post on this board anyway. And if Vivi does happen to be around, the only thing I can emphasize is to have faith in yourself and what you can do regardless of the shitty times or what anyone there says, they don't stop you from being you and that's where the support comes from. That goes for games as well, don't be a zoomer about them.

>> No.75003849

>>75003754
>Jesus Christ, silence doesn't mean siding with bullies
Sure. Hanging out with them, however...
>We have no clue to what degree Millie is even part of the Selen drama
They are implied enough to have her names in the legal docs
>or if Millie and Mata really did anything other than run into eachother
lmao
>Stop assuming the worst, most malicious intent in every little thing.
I'll do it when they stop being terrible people.

>> No.75003903

>>75003568
The other thing with Claude is how bad his PL numbers were compared to most of the people NijiEN has taken in, really sticks out how he got in only because he was part of Hanamori before. And of course because this is manisanji and, and also because he got himself shipped with fellow ex-hanamori Shu, he has the best numbers out of his gen

>> No.75004000

>>75003837
Based

>> No.75004018

>>74999586
Given the shit that was revealed like how they had to pay nearly everything out of pocket and how little they pay and recently how they most likely commit tax fraud I can't be surprised she's dirt poor since she's not part of the clique

>> No.75004101

I just realized that it's been 6 months since TTT debuted and we still have not heard or gotten any hints of a new Nijisanji wave. I think the longest gap between waves was xsoleil and Kris which was just over 6 months too. So either Niji management finally took the hint and are slowing down debuts, or the new wave that was suppose to debut backed out which may explain why they permanently opened auditions. Either way, I'm not even sure if any indie worth their salt would want to apply, especially when more alternatives (jidf, phase, globie, etc) are popping up that doesn't lock you out of the holo golden ticket.

>> No.75004265

>>75003845
Blame it on yourself for supporting nijisanji

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>>75004101
>this is how much she earned in six months
She's going to be homeless

>> No.75004378

>>75004101
They aren't reinvesting into talents. They wanted to accelerate but people backed up because of the black stream fiasco.
Only 2 views with no skill will apply or the griftiest shady fuckers that feel like they can bully the fuck out of the current clique / shove them out will enter.

>> No.75004380

>>75002793
you enjoyed those band of whores? What is wrong with you

>> No.75004410

>>75003068
Should've supported doki if she wanted my sympathy
You can't burn all bridges to help abusers and then want help, fuck you you're on your own at that point

>> No.75004413

>>75004380
vshojo has Henya. 100x more entertaining than Nijislop

>> No.75004445

>>75004413
>react streamer #4971

>> No.75004458

>>75004380
Monkey see big booba and hear cute voice. Monkey like. What can I say?

>> No.75004468

>>75004265
Sorry but I don't support nigger companies. I do love watching car crashes though so I'm interested in seeing what happens once more Nijis graduate and there being no new waves to replenish their numbers.

>> No.75004500

>>75004330
Aren't nijis supposed to be parttimers?
go tell vivi that she should apply to collect street garbage in her off hours, could even maybe stream it if management allows for irl streams literal win-win

>> No.75004503

>>75004101
they had a new wave planned but they ALL dropped out when they saw the shit going down

>> No.75004524

>>75003068
she is stupid, she should just act out and get terminated, its not like the penalties will be big since she earns nothing

>> No.75004556

>>75003218
Lawyer can help her. She doesn't ghave to wait, she absolutely can and should ghost niji and return to her (more successful btw) PL. Dare them to sue with their butt wipe of a contract. It's literally better financially to croudfund lawyer retainer than to stay in niji.

>> No.75004565

>>75002567
Should of done what Scarle did. They aren't supporting her anyways she had nothing to really lose except for her dignity siding with those snakes.

>> No.75004580

>>75004018
Even holomems pay outta pocket. They didn't directly fund Marines MVs for example. At best they may offer an overall budget for xyz, something all ex nijis even said was a thing as well.

>> No.75004596

>>75004101
They acknowledged in the Q3 report they aren't debuting as many people as they want to, the JP side just had debuts in March but at least as far as we know the VTA is currently pretty much empty after they terminated a ton of people for NDA violations last year (NDF claims there are people in VTA, they just aren't streaming)
It would be good if this means more support for existing talents but I don't think releasing an MV that should have been ready for debut and isn't even sung by the talents that appear in it as a "6 months anniversary" thing is really cutting it

>> No.75004615

>>75004265
I don't support Nijisanji. I support a number of streamers that I enjoy strictly by watching them, and she's one that happens to be currently in that place.

>> No.75004628

>>75002885
Pomu was a victim and Niji did their due diligence to cover up the effect they had on her. 1 membership privated out of her entire set, because it rightfully incriminates the company as failing her.

>> No.75004655

>>75004580
>hololive whataboutism
Oh, is Marine some poor woman who was forced to make an MV? Nijisanji makes these desperate girls pay for basic vtuber essentials, not just nice things to have.

>> No.75004653

>>75003265
kek

>> No.75004706

>>75004500
realistically she probably has a day job already otherwise she wouldn't have bills paid in time to continue vtubing
unless she lives in a thirdworld country, depending where those 8k + VP + channel revenue is alot in 6months

>> No.75004715

>>75004580
Holo get a debut budget. Remember how Bijou invested it into a MV and used a spreadsheet? Niji does jack shit and they are 'no 2' my ass. Smaller companies give better support. When Nina left and Pomu found out how much better the other side is from their conversations, she planned months in advance to leave.

>> No.75004731

>>75004706
Pretty sure she lives in the US, probably even California

>> No.75004773

>>75004731
You can't even live in a closet in Californian cities for $8k a month. She must have it fucking rough.

>> No.75004778

>>75000259
Didn't she fervously defens her company on twitter? going as far as to create a sock-puppet account to "own" the haters?
trying to get artists on the side of Niji, while Doki artists where being "cancelled" and put on a harrassment list?

Yeah, this bitch can keep rotting away like the whore she is

>> No.75004792

>>75002885
>keeping it cool and professional
>when niji literally bullied her out of her hopes and dreams
>when niji was literally harassing and findoming others (her friends too) in niji potentially into suicide
>she knew all this
>shes a daisenpai of the en branch
>decided to do FUCKING NOTHING, leave implying that she's not even unhappy with the situation at niji (outside of the 1 memb stream that had to get privated probably with her consent to not shame the company)
Fucking spineless trash is what she is
I swear to god next time i see a pomufucker boast about that /b/ whore being any good, i'll skullfuck them and then post an image of fubuki so they fucking understand what a good "talent" acts like when they have a spine

>> No.75004815

>>75003022
Just like Quinn joined, right?

>> No.75004819

>>75004778
man, sisters really hate vivi for ghosting luca

>> No.75004849

>>75004815
Quinn never had a chance, to join Vshoujo you need a friend inside AND numbers

>> No.75004940

>>75004849
>Quinn never had a chance
Yeah. The same is true for Enna and Millie btw.

>> No.75004998

>>75004778
She tried salvaging the situation because she's stuck in niji for the foreseeable future
Can't blame her for it most people would do the same, but yeah the oshi shit is just blantant larping, she put all her eggs in a shitty basket that caught fire just after she debuted
It's really a skill issue though, should've seen the signs vivi

>> No.75005174

>>75004792
Yeah people act as if pomu being professional about it and drama free is a good thing in this case
Generally it 100% is, but when a company is literally being stealing money, harrassing livers, and skinwalking, it's a situation that really calls for someone with seniority to act (its the reason why seniority is respected too) or at least to not pretend the issue doesn't exist, because it just helps management/clique hide under the "but everything's fine mask why are you crying?" shtick that millie "2% is a lot/ niji isn't a black company" or vox "i don't think that counts as bullying" or that other retard "just ask for the silver playbutton"

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>>75004819
Sisters made a shrine on her name after what she did, she was the first liver to "own the haters" properly.
Miss number 1 Niji defender now has to eat shit. She is just reaping what she'd sown. I hope she never gathers the courage to leave and keep living hell for the rest of her failed career

>> No.75005326

>>75004706
it's more like 3k

>> No.75005346

>>75005234
She'll eventually drop out due to money constraints
Watch how she tries to say how she didn't mean it or she hated it there after the fact though lmao
Well if you hated it that much surely you wouldn't have defended the company (THE FUCKING FACELESS COMPANY) over a person (YOUR OSHI) when that person was clearly hurting
The public sentiment was also obvious at that stage, it's literally the freest win in history to at the very least just stay quiet

>> No.75005376

>>75004792
Despite the crass language, I think this is actually a decent point.

The fact she just let them walk all over her and she doesn't even seem to make an attempt at standing up for herself seems really odd. Spinelessness aside, I do recall her really wanting to be a part of Niji and having oshis in the corpo so maybe she was the most susceptible to being doormatted by management out of everyone. And with how fragile her self-esteem reportedly was, a few times was probably enough for her to stop attempting. Unlike Selen, who willingly butted heads with management enough times until they gave her the boot.

>> No.75005383

>>74999586
She asked for it tbdesu. Her and everyone who decided to join after the Zaion termination deserve everything that happened to them lmao

>> No.75005435

>>75002704
To be fair, Riku is kinda cute.

>> No.75005440

>>75004580
Yes but Niji forces has a "may" give you funds for debut. Holo gives you money flat.

>> No.75005562

>>75004792
You need to calm down.

>> No.75005581

>>75005376
> crass language
Sorry, it gets to me that people nowadays have no understanding of right and wrong or morality. Where have we gone as a society when people praise others for willingly sucking it up to the man after getting abused for years and watching their friends get crushed to death and slandered publicly when you know the situation isn't like that?
I mean I understand to some extent not being able to stand up for yourself in the face of a company, but your friends? Or even if you don't believe that, co-workers you have interacted with friendly for several years? And people are praising that sort of behaviour for being "drama-free" and "professional"?
That's not professional, that's almost inhumane

>> No.75005666

>>75004628
Victim seems strong for Pomu. Doki was a victim. Sounds like Nijisanji did ruin opportunities for her, but it doesn't seem they had contractual obligations. There's a difference between ineptitude and malice. Nijisanji is mostly just ineptly operated, though cases of malice do exist like in Zaion's or Doki's case. Hell, I'd even say Mata experienced some of that malice.

>> No.75005718

>>75005581
You see she HAD to stay quiet in the face of people attempting to bully someone to death
Saying or doing anything against it might have hurt her career! So it's perfectly ok to just go along with it

>> No.75005744

>>75004792
>>75005174
>>75005376
Pomu was going "I don't know if I'll ever go back to Veetubing, tee-hee" on her RM account while her model was being re-rigged and Matara was contracting merch with her (merch they officially announced on Episode 1 of their podcast).
I'm amazed that people are still buying her grift.

>> No.75005755

>>75003849
>I'll stop assuming that people are malicious when I perceive them to not be malicious

Anon...

>> No.75005769

>>75005562
>rude so i get to ignore your points
If you care enough to reply but not to address the points made you just make it seem like you don't have a way of denying what I've said

>> No.75005787 [DELETED] 

>calling miko don-chan

kek

>> No.75005789

>>75005581
I think it's easy for many to say the same if they weren't in the position the talents are currently in. There's a lot of critical information not available to the public so who knows the truth other than them, really. We have an incomplete picture, but the pictured painted is pretty dogshit for Niji as a corpo.

That said, it does suck balls how we'll never know the real reasons behind why Pomu couldn't actually try to get a little defiant. Who knows why the others decided to throw Selen under the bus like that? No one, save for them. And it's going to be difficult for all Nijis because if any of the info came from Doki, it'd be received way differently. But since she's not opening her mouth for shit, the corpotubers are left to flounder 'til they drown. Meanwhile, the other ex-nijis milk what they can and do whatever they want otherwise.

>> No.75005843

>>75005744
You know, that's honestly a very good point. Not surprised considering she's hanging out with queen Griftara

>> No.75005946

>>75005769
You need to calm your tard rage down. Nobody is torching their entire career because a shit company ended up being shit. That can't be, nor should it ever be the expectation. Leaving a shit company with grace is completely fine.

>> No.75006140

>>75005755
>noooooooo, you need to give them a chance, I'm sure they are good people in private, forget about Millie making that tweet when Selen was having a meltdown or Enna being passive aggressive as fuck while Doki was suffering
As I said, I'll stop assuming the worst of them when they stop being terrible people. Get out of Nijisanji, stop pretending you didn't fuck up, own up to your mistakes and try to be a better person.

>> No.75006211

>>75006140
I never said shit about Enna. Again, you need to stop reading malicious bs into everything.

>> No.75006229

>>75005946
See >>75005581
Without joking about it, you and those types of thoughts are what's wrong with society nowadays
You can always get money elsewhere but giving up your morality like that is inhuman
That's not politics, that's your fellow man (in this case someone you knew, worked with, and were friends with for years) almost killing herself over plain abuse from a company. And she knew this was happening
And she decided to shill herself over even showing the barest hint of support despite the fact that SHE WAS ALREADY OUT OF IT. Leaving a company with grace is completely fine. Abandoning your friends to abuse due to "muh career" is fucking disgusting behavior
And I guarantee you it would've actually made her more popular than she is right now if she did that so that argument doesn't even work
This isn't some gray situation, there's clear black and white here with some fuzzy gray in the middle due to not knowing some details but the overall tone of the situation is obvious to all

>> No.75006246

>>75006211
They are in the same package, you can't talk about Millie without talking about Enna.
>Again, you need to stop reading malicious bs into everything.
They need to give me a reason first.

>> No.75006361

>>75005789
>we don't know the situation
We know enough
Let's be real fucking honest here there's no way these points aren't true:
1) management doesn't have favourites and fucks over some talents over others
2) some talents literally get sponsorships stolen from them to other members of the favorite crew (whether the clique is real or not is another issue)
3) some talents literally get abused and bullied by management denying them shit just for the cruelty of it
4) Talents in the company are aware of this difference in treatment, and not only do nothing about it, they are actively engaging in it
5) livers get a fraction of the money they get (i guess you can ahndwave that away as shitty contracts that they signed but it's still "not good") and the company literally steals their money at every opportunity and lies to them about it
Even if you discount the fact that the clique almost definitely is real, that should be enough to corroborate the things that doki (and every other ex-niji talent) said about it.
And what doki said is more than enough to burn bridges down if you aren't a complete doormat, and even if we will never know all the details we know enough to know that dokis side is the correct one here

>> No.75006374

>Cover stocks in a freefall deflection thread

>> No.75006406

>>74999586
I hoped defending the millionaire company on Twitter was worth the monthly $50

>> No.75006414

>>75006361
>1) management does have favourites*

>> No.75006431

>>75006229
It isn't giving up morality. It's literally common sense. You don't burn down your former employer when moving on to the next thing. Employers won't touch you with a ten foot pole of you're on some dipshit self-righteous moral crusade. Suppose Pomu did want to get out of vtubing and go onto the next gig working somewhere else, she'd lack a reference at best and be blacklisted from other places at worst.

People aren't going to jeapordize their own well being just because you think there is some moral crusade to be thought. But go ahead and never watch mint because she failed some moral character test.

>> No.75006475

>>75006246
They never will because you will never stop reading malicious bullshit into everything, and they are distinct people. Millie is probably more of a useful idiot to niji than anyone actually malicious.

>> No.75006520

>>75002974
RIP VShojo
someone please rescue Henya!

>> No.75006533

>>75002203
>>75002283
fake story if she done that she would be arrested but of course antis just make up any lie to harrass niji even when the lie make none sense

>> No.75006541

Reminder that Pomu spent her last month as a Niji liver palling around with clique queen Elira in Antarctica

>> No.75006566

>>75006475
>They never will because you will never stop reading malicious bullshit into everything
Again, it's easy:
>Get out of Nijisanji, stop pretending you didn't fuck up, own up to your mistakes and try to be a better person.
If you can't even do that after your "friend" almost killed herself (two times), then you are a terrible person.
>and they are distinct people
They are best friends and protect each other all the time.

>> No.75006573

>>75003513
WHAT
Niji doesn't give base salary? You're kidding right?

>> No.75006604

>>75006573
nope, if you don't earn money you get jack shit

>> No.75006622

>>75002284
Sayu leaked information about Froot and IM?

>> No.75006638

>>75001504
>after what Sayu did to her
Did Sayu molest her?

>> No.75006641

>>75006604
This is why I hope Vivi gets out of that shit hole.

>> No.75006658

>>75006641
she choose her side, she deserves to stay there forevery

>> No.75006662

>>75000137
>Life's gotta suck in Nijisanji right now, especially for the runts who would've been better off not joining at all.
They can just treat it as a Vtubing university. Vshojo will hire them as soon as they graduate.

>> No.75006665

>>75002793
>big attempt to get into the Japanese market... with limited success.
no, it's a near complete failure. they succeeded in making a subsidiary that can support local talent properly, like with perm autism

>> No.75006684

>>75006431
> she'd lack a reference at best
they can't reference their work at niji anyway
> You don't burn down your former employer
This isn't some multinational in your field of expertise this is a japanese entertainment company
By leaving niji she is already blacklisted from cover, and let's be real outside of vshojo (that would take her regardless of what she said about niji), any other corpo would be a downsizing from just going indie
>People aren't going to jeapordize their own well being
I guarantee you that it'd be positive for her career to have addressed this more actively. The public sentiment for the largest part is siding with doki, a well timed post even if vague would've done wonders when asmongold and so on where talking about it. This is especially true because nijis relevance in the west is declining sharply and even cons are banning them now. There's not way she wouldnt be looked at more positively if she said something about it
money, money, money you are fucking disgusting man, you do realise you can make a living and a good one too without selling out every single moral value you hold right? Your choices of living like a bug are not because you "have" to, they are a choice and let me tell you most people find that shit fucking disgusting

>> No.75006714

>>75004819
You know /vt/ has gotten way to used to accusing everyone they don't like of being a "sister" when people start getting called sisters for criticizing Nijisanji members.

>> No.75006746

>>75002203
>will overlook Enna sharing legit child pornography
You've been on 4chan too long or you just outted yourself. Caregivers and people close to families will have pictures of toddlers and kids, even at times naked because kids will be kids and it's funny, it's not meant to be fapped to.

>> No.75006811

>>75006573
They’re contractors. Holo members are actual employees.

>> No.75006893

>>75006684
Why does everyone keep parrotting that ex-Niji's are blacklisted from Cover? Cover literally hired a ex-NijiJP who got Selen'd.

>> No.75006914

>>75006746
... Are you unironically defending pedos...?

>> No.75006924

>>75001615
>which is still baffling to me considering Matara constantly talked about it herself before and since, but whatever.
because it's actually not imposter syndrome but malignant narcissism.
>>75002379
>but Idk if the roach responded
I'm pretty sure she didn't
>>75003157
total victory! now she only needs to get over her brain worms, which she's working on as in meds and therapy

>> No.75006927

>>75006746
Is that what you're going to tell the police?
People dont gasp and exclaim at normal photos of babies

>> No.75006955

>>75006684
>>75006431
So in summary, in case you try to mental gymnastics your way out of this shit again, morally the correct thing to do was to support her friend. Financially and career wise, the correct thing to do was support her friend
If she chose not to do so, it is because she clearly prefers or is trying to protect the people that were bullying doki (and her) in spite of this damaging her career, using herself as a meatshield for the corpo in a more indirect way than elira and so on sure, but still gladly being the meatshield despite being out already
>It's literally common sense.

>> No.75007032

>>75006893
How long ago was this?
Surely it was recently and when the scene wasn't totally completely different right? Because if it was over 4 years ago, when everyone was still figuring out how this shit worked one might be tempted to say that that situation is likely a product of its time right?
Surely it isn't more than 4 years ago though

>> No.75007043

something tells me the tables are going to turn soon…
everything that goes up must go down.

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>>75007043
That's the problem...
Vivi has been doing nothing but going down.
Which is wrong, I should be the one going down on her.

>> No.75007124

>>75006893
Years ago, they have a working relationship now, if hololive wanted they could offer much better contracts to the top female talent on niji for that reason niji builded that relationship

>> No.75007143

>>74999586
>Live Vivi reaction.png

>> No.75007290

>>75000137
>she's not so poor she can't afford food anymore
Ishizuka Akari vtuber, when?
https://youtu.be/chxdM5SYvfs

>> No.75007296

>>75003173
Ah yes, those mighty 2% really make up for it…

>> No.75007423

>>74999586
Atleast Nijinigger HQ didn’t steal her taxes yet.

>> No.75007456

why does every nijifag keep posting shit like this >>75006893 despite it always being replied to with soem variation of >>75007032 and they can never answer becauuse it btfos their argument?
Every single thread about this type of thing i see a nijifag pull this shit and every time it gets shutdown with the same thing they can never answer, are they just screenshotting a compilation or something?

>> No.75007481

>>75004731
Jesas, she must probably been eating only top ramen in the last months

>> No.75007565

>>75004778
Yeah… Which is why i don’t feel particularly bad for her.

>> No.75007567

>streams for NijiEN
She deserves far worse.

>> No.75007719

>>74999586
Am I supposed to feel bad? Niji being terrible is well known and people like her still decide to board the ship.
"Boohoo, woe is me, I joined a really shitty corpo".
Bitch can cry all she wants, she brought it on herself.
Can we just shut this thread down and discuss something actually worth the time than a 3view whining her own fuck ups?

>> No.75007805

>>75003173
Many have done actively worse than their pl, since joining Niji.

>> No.75007881

Nova please save Vivi

>> No.75007921

>>75007881
are you actively trying to drive vivi into suicide?

>> No.75008004

>>75007881
...from life?

>> No.75008025

>>75007921
Would probably be the biggest engagement she ever gotten as a Vtuber. Maybe some people may even donate for once.

>> No.75008061

>>74999586
I will save Vivi. My love. Light of my life. Fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Vic-to-ree-a: the only good Nijisanji vtuber.

>> No.75008109

>>74999586
Can't she just always fucking ask to leave?

>> No.75008196

>>74999586
Clip or timestamp of the breakdown?

>> No.75008202

>>75008109
Leaving is always an option.

>> No.75008309

>>75007921
>>75008004
Nova will make her own childrens card game vtuber agency and Vivi will join
I believe

>> No.75008335

>>75008109
Here is what you dont get anon.
You leave in debt and you spent all the money on your debut and shit for nothing.
Psycho tricks. You can leave at any time but be assured, you will leave in debt and it will have been for nothing.

>> No.75008441

>>75008335
She's going to leave in debt no matter what, might as well go now, when the avg vtuber fan is willing to chuck money at any ex niji

>> No.75008508

>>75008335
Its making an investment. But nobody wants to put thousands of dollars into the ground for it to have literally have no result.
That is the collar Anycolor puts on people.
And even better, because they only get 2%, they never pay it off either even if they stay!

>> No.75008633

>>75008196
Members stream that was privated immediately

>> No.75008692

>>75008633
It's always the members where they go off.
Should do so in public, maybe some donos come in then.

>> No.75008885

>>74999586
Because Enna stole most of the cuck audience kek

>> No.75008925

I know the writing has been on the wall for months, but this and other NijiEN livers like Millie re-activating their PL accounts all feel connected. It wouldn't surprise me if the company already gave them the bad news and are waiting for the inevitable.

>> No.75009071

>>75002203
The worst part is that Zaion isn’t even a real shotacon it was just a character joke as Sayu.
The liver that was a real shotacon? Elira.

>> No.75009159

>>75002454
Kyo is extremely hated so that is why.
>>75002737
No that won’t happen. Enna/Millie are still loathed.

>> No.75009219

>tfw vivi has no porn
>not even paizuri

>> No.75009258

>>75002727
I remember seeing him on Risu's member stream

>> No.75009324

>>75009219
At least she has a very good Koikatsu card https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/114683322

>> No.75009418

>>75008925
the NijiShojo rrat is real

>> No.75009473

>>75009258
He commented on Suisei music back in like pre 2020

>> No.75009592

>>75009071
for fuck's sake, it's a fucking genshin joke from back in the day where all meta characters were shotas

>> No.75009708

>>75009159
>Enna/Millie are still loathed
That's /here/, outside of here people are ambivalent about them. A good word from Matara and they're golden. As for /here/ people hated them long before any of this came down, but also people /here/ hate VShojo on principle, so trying to appeal to this cesspit was never an option for Gunrun.

>> No.75009758

>>75008692
>donos
Reminder that this is a Niji organ.

>> No.75009873

>>75009418
Matara prepared Vshojo to be the clique's escape route

>> No.75009913

>>75003265
kek

>> No.75009964

>>75004556
>lawyer up
>have no money
>niji outspends you
>you lose your case and are broke
Sure she could try finding a pro bono one, cause Niji's contracts are fucking filled with labor law landmines, but going to court with a multi million dollar company is scary as fuck regardless. I don't think Vivi has the confidence to risk that.

>> No.75009965

>>75007719
Seethe harder sister.
Falseflagging is not gonna hide your chinese bitch grudge over Vivi for snubbing your oh-so beloved sexpest Luca

>> No.75009999

The only tragedy about this is that the stew wasn't scalding hot.

>> No.75010005

>>75009708
People are ambivalent about Reimu as far as I saw, Millie has spent so much time bootlicking that I doubt she has an out plan, especially considering Vshojo is not a free for all nepo-house, especially if they bring in fresh drama.

>> No.75010021

>>75003173
it's not worth selling your soul over

>> No.75010063

>>75009964
Sayu said as much. if she had access to infinite money she could beat niji easily, but since she doesn't, niji would just outspend her.

>> No.75010152

>>75010005
Millie has been drama free since the black screen. The "did you ask manesan" became a funny joke, instead of something melicious. A few more months and the fire would have completely died down, at least as far as Ethyria is concerned.

>> No.75010316

>>75002428
Ridiculous attitude
1. it is likely she did not know about the contents of the stream beforehand. Especially with the sorts of managers niji has
2. sharing information is not the same as endorsing it.
Unless she is one of the black stream participants or is otherwise implied to take part in behind the scenes harrassment (no proof so far) she is innocent.

>tfw your oshii attempts to take her own life
>you retweet supposedly very important stream, most likely including apologizes and wishes of quick return to (mental) health
>tfw the stream tells her to do a flip

>> No.75010317

>>75009873
No it isn't and you will cope about it in a year just like catalog faggots already have to cope about Quinn not getting in.

>> No.75010373

>>74999586
Avarage nijitalent after all taxes makes less than basic unempleyed support in wealthy eu countries

>> No.75010424

>>75010317
That'd be more believeable is other members didn't flat out say "we wholeheartedly stand by everything said in this stream" meaning they do not have the ignorance excuse.

>> No.75010489

>>75010005
>Vshojo is not a free for all nepo-house
Maybe not a "free for all", yet anyway, but do people really believe Vshojo isn't founded on nepo hires?

>> No.75010505

>>75010063
Sayu had her contract terminated; the only reason for her to lawyer up would be to seek damages from Niji. If Vivi were to start streaming on her PL tomorrow she could be earning money there and the burden would be on Niji to sue for damages and not get laughed out of the courtroom, you can see how well suing former talents worked out for Wactor.

>> No.75010509

>>75010373
I'm pretty sure that they're in a non-taxable bracket.

>> No.75010633

>>75005744
>Pomu was going "I don't know if I'll ever go back to Veetubing, tee-hee" on her RM account while her model was being re-rigged and Matara was contracting merch with her
At the time mint was making those posts she had no plans. She was planning to do 'something' at the end of summer (common rrats are either applying for holo or that she has her own new model in the works), but mata had been scheming since she found out that pomu was leaving and had no plans (likely private communications around end of 2023) and surprised her halfway through the japan trip by giving her a completed 2.0 mint model. We know as a fact the merch was a rush job and matara probably had the idea but waited for mint's okay to go beyond the design stage.

>> No.75010738

>>75010509
they may be below the threshold for income tax, but in the US as self-employed contractors they would be liable for 12.4% social security tax and 2.9% medicare tax if they made more than $400

>> No.75010845

>>75010738
>more than $400
I wouldn't be surprised if she couldn't even make that much after all the cuts, at least every month.

>> No.75010872

>>75010633
>surprised her halfway through the japan trip by giving her a completed 2.0 mint model
It's just a rigging upgrade with some extra emotes, there is no way for Matara to surprise her without having the assets of the OG model first.
Also the rigger in question has long deadlines and is very in demand.
>At the time mint was making those posts she had no plans
LMAO, as likely as her leave vtubing to be a baristta at the end of summer too.
She's intentionally pulling your heartstrings, you fool!

>> No.75010955

>>75010633
>We know as a fact the merch was a rush job
I never heard this before.
Also without Mint giving her ok Kevin wouldn't even be able to start his job.

>> No.75010981

>>75002379
No, matara did not respond, they most likely talked in private though, hence Sayu knew that matara had unblocked her

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>>75010845
that's $400 per year

>> No.75011045

>>75010021
Will my soul feed me? Pride? Who the fuck cares.

>> No.75011052

>>75011015
Oh nevermind then lol

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>>75003568
No she wasn't, as soon as she wasn't playing league she got shit views.

>> No.75011519

>>75005787
I saw that, 35P.

>> No.75011592

Don't these cunts realize talking about this shit hurts them in the long run? Sure kn the short term she might get some pity superchats after going on her little act but on the long term this will hurt Niji's reputation even more which means less SCs, less merch, less events, etc. Who are the most successful members on the branch? Oh yeah the ones that fall in line and work to support it. Every single crybaby as ended washed up as twitch reactors or some shit like that.

>> No.75011609

>>75011045
If you're a girl? Yes absolutely, all you have to do is not be a completely irredeemable cunt

>> No.75011668

>>75011592
What the fuck are you talking about

>> No.75011690

She's dead, Jim.

>> No.75011764

>>75011592
why would she care about nijis reputation when she gets nothing from them? try better next time sister

>> No.75011774

>>75011592
>Who are the most successful members on the branch? Oh yeah the ones that fall in line and work to support it. Every single crybaby as ended washed up as twitch reactors or some shit like that.
>saying this when one of the top niji jp talent literally has sick grifting as his meta now
fuwa minato laughs at you

>> No.75011780

>thread about vivi
>sister bring up nina out of nowhere
>thread derail into people speculating the most dumb shit ever
>but viv... NINA HATES SAYU
we can't even tell these people to go back as their site was nuked

>> No.75011840

>>75011780
we can herd them to reddit...

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>>74999586
>retweets black screen
>"supports" artists
>in the end, cries and begs for money
lil bro... where is your spine?????

>> No.75011902

>>75011780
Nina hates Sayu?

>> No.75011931

>>75011774
qrd? You can't expect anyone to actually know Niji JP

>> No.75012052

>>74999820
Kys holonigger

>> No.75012064

>>75011764
She would if she put any effort instead of crying about how mistreated she is boo hoo.
>I'm not getting enough money playing videogames oh nooo
How do the others not have this problem?

>> No.75012124

>>75011592
Nijisanji’s reputation is already dead in the water in the west. If it wasn’t for Mysta and Nina constantly talking about how much better life is for them in Vshojo, if it wasn’t for their two biggest spokespersons (Pomu and Selen) leaving the company in one way or another, hell if it wasn’t even for the Luca leaks, the black screen stream was the final nail in the coffin. Ike was just there saying nothing of substance beyond not to harass Selen, meanwhile Elira and Vox actually tried to smear the image of their suicidal ex-talent. It’s laughable that Vox acted like she was a making the branch look bad considering he did a rape ASMR and tons of other yabs.
Vivi having a breakdown during a members stream doesn’t do much to hurt NijiEN, especially since not long before, notMika talked about how a former company (obviously Anycolor) garnished her wages to pay their OWN taxes, putting her in a tight spot.

>> No.75012143

>>75011902
shes part of elira clique,so sayu and doki is a no no words,whether she hate them or not

>> No.75012206

>>75011902
She was pissed at her for talking about in public a private conversation they had were Nina told her that she felt like she was nobody if she left nijisanji, A few weeks ago nina unblocked her and they are in neutral terms.

>> No.75012305

>>75012206
>A few weeks ago nina unblocked her and they are in neutral terms.
That's nice. People reconciling makes me feel warm.

>> No.75012339

>>75011592
>this will hurt Niji's reputation
uhm retardedanonchama niji already KILLED their own reputation,i kid you not,its not holo,not anti or other ppl,its themself,their reputation outside of jp already DEAD

>> No.75012381

>>75011592
Hi Enna, I hope someday you'll grow a heart and regret your actions.

>> No.75012391

>>75012064
The others have been around longer and have more established audiences. The other thing is that NijiEN is basically kept alive by fans of male talents, which is the female demographic. A lot of the male fans of female talents that have been there from the start, like Pomu’s and Selen’s left the company. Either they grew old and moved on from the hobby, they moved onto other companies/indies, or they followed their PLs and financially support them there.

>> No.75012406

Literally who

>> No.75012468

>>75012064
she does what she does who cares?

>> No.75012529

>>75012052
Thread's over, champ. Pack it up.

>> No.75012818

>>75002637
That hurts to read. If she was doing ok for herself and suddenly now has to take a wagey job on the side that kills her online/streaming hours because they won't let her do side work like that, that's fucked.
Reminder that Sana and Ina were able to do art. Kiara, Mori, and the dogs can have their own things public-facing going. Why would they be that strict?

>> No.75013108

>>75003265
Fuck you

>> No.75013384

>believing a chuuba who chose to become a part of nijisanji instead of getting a normal job
ah yes. she is so poor...right...

>> No.75013832

>>75012124
>notMika talked about how a former company (obviously Anycolor) garnished her wages to pay their OWN taxes, putting her in a tight spot.
Motherfucker that's how taxes work. As a contractor you pay your own taxes. Why the fuck would anyone expect a company do so? Specially when you're not an employee? Is Anycolor's job financial education too? Do they have to teach her not to drink detergent too? Again, how did nobody else have those "tax" problems. Oh yeah Mysta had them too, I wonder why these two specifically had tax problems lol? Almost like they were together or something and they were both retarded.

>> No.75013860

>>75011931
one of the guys in rofmao have been doing a "im sick" and graduation scare sc farming for a few months now

>> No.75014317

>>75013832
>Again, how did nobody else have those "tax" problems
vox had the same tax problem but had his dad help him
some of the jap livers like kou, gaku and gwelu also had some tax problems in the past as well
notakane also hinted she had some tax related problem with her previous employer

>> No.75014319

>>75013832
At least listen to what she says in the clip before you start talking.

>> No.75014368

>>75013832
>As a contractor you pay your own taxes
yeah, their own taxes
not niji's taxes

>> No.75014417

>>75013832
>As a contractor you pay your own taxes.
Then why did the company take money out of her paycheck for taxes?

>> No.75014450

>>75013832
>Motherfucker that's how taxes work. As a contractor you pay your own taxes
Except for the fact that Anycolor actually told her that they were garnishing her revenue to pay for her taxes
she's not even the first one to complain about it since riksa and reza also hinted at it way back in 2022 when they would complain that niji would sometimes get whats left of their revenue after the standard cuts

>> No.75014539

>>75013832
based retard
sure as a contractor you are obliged to pay for your own taxes but your employer literally cannot get a percentage of YOUR income to pay THEIR taxes

>> No.75014611

>>75004580
Holomems pay for personal projects, not company-related projects, such as the debut. Marine already explain before, she funds the MV's and music, because she wants too, as if Cover funded it, the budget would be limited and she wouldn't get the quality she can get out of her pocket. Moreover, there are perks to paying for your own things. For example, if you fund original music, you own it, not Cover. So any licensing and revenue from that song, royalties and so on, go to you. And even if you leave Hololive, you will still own the rights for the song - unless you sell it to cover. You can't own the MV, true, but a good MV can do a lot to promote your song, so even if you lose that specific MV, it done it's job. Additionally, those are artists and content creators, and they want to create cool stuff.
Meanwhile with Niji, you pay for shit that you don't own, you pay for shit that they should pay for, and even stuff like music done at your expense, will become their property automatically.

>> No.75014638

>>75014417
Get a job, then come back to me.

>> No.75014726

>>75001139
>If you don't count the ones I don't want you to count my crackhead theory works better!
You really are special, aren't you

>> No.75014900

>>75001615
>unless Matara wants to pump her savior clout again.
She doesn't do that for the terminated, only the graduated.

>> No.75014913

>>75014638
That's not how it works for contractors, retard.

>> No.75015080

>>75014913
Yes, contractors are supposed to pay their own tax. Guess who didn't huh?

>> No.75015159

>>75003728
Mostly true, they mentioned a "rose friend" in passing on the podcast, but generally yes, Mint has just done her own shit outside of the "sounds like a name of someone who shits themself" joke

>> No.75015298

>>75015080
That's LITERALLY what I said. The issue is that Anycolor took money out of her paycheck to pay for taxes, which they aren't supposed to fucking do since she's just a contractor. Where did that money go? LITERALLY stolen

>> No.75015559

>>75014450
Anycolor managers are embezzling money.
Taking tax money from their paychecks and keeping it themselves. Getting a large budget for projects and events, but then making the talents pay for everything anyway. It's classic embezzlement

>> No.75015664

>>75015559
>Anycolor managers are embezzling money.
anon if its payroll embezzlement its coming froma lot higher than the middlemen who are the managers
shit like that usually involves payroll and the cfo

>> No.75015748

>>75005581
The problem with this is it's really really easy for you to sit here and morally take the high ground.

Put your wallet and the roof over your head into the equation, add a legal contract into the mix that can/will financially cripple you into possible homelessness. Add in the lack of self worth that Mint has demonstrated, it's not hard to see that she more than likely wishes she could have done more. Her and Doki are clearly on good terms, so she was more than likely giving her support in private.

You're no better than someone larping about how totally cool you would be and how you'd walk into the school and do some sick karate move and disarm the school shooter and then drive your motorcycle off into the sunset while popping a sick wheelie. Things get a lot more complicated when your livelihood is on the table.

>> No.75016379

>>75015748
I quit my job at a AAA videogame company over way less than this, dont cope that everyone is a sellout coward

>> No.75016628

>>75016379
That AAA company CEO? Me. I fired you.

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>>74999586
typical woman, overly sensitive, making things awkward and trying to monopolize all attention onto her

>> No.75016779

>>75016651
why are nijisis like this?

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>>74999586
It's always funny seeing Nijisister being on the verge of realization like this person (context: vivi talking about hate she can't handle)
>That's a pretty common complain, I wish the branch could go as a whole to try to express that concern

>> No.75017006

>>75014900
>She doesn't do that for the terminated
U-san was gracefully terminated, anon. The only difference between them and Zaion/Selen is that the notice wasn't a smear piece

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