Was she really that popular?

[Anonymous No.]

How tf did her termination fuck the corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>Hello, fellow kids

[Anonymous No.]

She was their most popular female organ in that branch, and had many connections due to being well-mannered. NijiCN(EN) tried very hard to paint her negatively but she’s been nothing like they claimed. Essentially, they fucked themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

She had 800k subs and was the highest merch seller. Oh and she was the fcenterpiece for all of the branch's best historical streams. Any time you look up an old Niji event or kino moment, she will usually be there.
Also speaking for the Western audience specifically, they only really watched Pomu and Selen, with a smaller number watching Elira and Rosemi. Losing Selen and Pomu is basically losing 90% of the reason anyone watched that corpo

[Anonymous No.]

Zaion could have been the catalyst for airing out Niji's dirty laundry to the mainstream audience, but Niji used the typical modern "moralist" tactics to make sure she gets ignored.

They had no way to do the same for Selen

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>>74590844
She's the one who does massive events in the branch. Also if you're a guy and watched nijiEN, pomu + selen are the top talents to watch.

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>>74591108
b-but that can't be true! statistically elira got the most sponsorships so that must mean she was the best!

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>>74590844
No, most people that bandwagonned had never even seen tge Selen model before.
Niji's responses were just so bad and petty that people all over the world came together.

[Anonymous No.]

She was genuinely the most popular female talent in the branch in terms of sub count, and she didn't just keep her collabs limited within the branch either. She reached out and collabed with lots of people, fleshtubers and vtubers from other groups. So a bunch of people from outside groups seeing a friend of theirs get fired from a company WHILE being publicly smeared by said company on social media top of that, that basically fucked over Anycolor's image in the west.
People are already in "Fuck corporations" mode in the west due to tons of layoffs and other shady tactics, despite making very good profits on top of that. Seeing that particular action in this environment, combined with Selen being noticeably shafted hard last year in terms of sponsorship opportunities, along with the steadily growing frustrations that fans had with NijiEN...that all combined to create an unholy PR nightmare that the branch may never be able to wash their hands of.

[Anonymous No.]

Kurosanji was cracking already before they decided to throw our oshi under the buss a series of poor decisions have lead them to this place I'm just glad that Zaion is viewed in a more postive light now

and Doki is laughing with us Dragoons :D

[Anonymous No.]

The Zaion execution had zero cost, so Niji got too confident. Is not only about who she was, is about how it happened.
As an ex-niji fan, after the Zaion case, the nijisisters got too agressive towards men that only watched Lazulight-Obsydia. They got rid of a female talent, the company even pandered to them. Invaded discords, twitter, reddit and of course here. After Selen's termination many people just got too tired. The woo girls (Selen, Pomu, Rosemi) were the most loved ones, only some cucks that watch Ethyria stay.

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>>74590844
simple
she pretty loved by most niji fanbase, very good with sponsors spesifically EA (well respawn but regardless)
and with lot of connection outside niji.
and one of that barely big problem.
no shit her getting fired effect the company severely but i guess in niji eyes its "negligible"

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>>74590844
>Was she really that popular?
>top subbed woman in the EN side
>tons of merch and corporate sponsors
>organized many things with other corpos and indies
You tell me anon.
>How tf did her termination fuck the corpo
>outright contradictions and lies on termination announcement
>proved schizos right on shit like them puppeting her twitter account
>the entire negligible financial impact thing
>black screen stream right after ceo apology proving how little both branches are communicating
>said stream further giving schizo rrats more truth on who the bullies were
Legit it doesn't matter how popular she was as soon as this level of insanity was noticed by the wider community it was going to be over, but even worse they did this to one of their top talents.

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>>74590844
>How tf did her termination fuck the corpo
It wasn't just THAT she was fired. It was HOW she was fired.

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>>74591647
All they had to do was steal a page from the western entertainment sphere and simply cite
>creative differences
They'll be using this as a teachable moment in business schools for the next 50 years

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>>74590844
The fact Selen is still the higest subbed female Niji liver even after termination speaks volumes.

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>>74590844
It wasn't necessarily her termination in and of itself that fucked the corpo, but rather the horrifically stupid way they handled it.
In theory, insubordination (like, say, publishing an MV without following proper procedure and getting it approved first) is just cause for termination. Niji WAS technically justified in getting rid of her, but then they completely shat the bed by turning her termination notice into a fucking Tumblr callout post.
Predictably, people didn't respond kindly to that sort of unprofessional smearing. Nijisanji, for whatever reason, decided to ignore this negative sentiment and double down with the black screen stream, which ALSO dragged several of their biggest talents into the line of fire.
Getting the talents involved at all was an unbelievably awful play, because Nijisanji is a goddamn talent agency whose ability to profit inherently hinges on whether people want to support the talents. It goes without saying that audiences generally DON'T want to support a person who has been accused of bullying a coworker to suicide, especially when nobody involved has given any indication that the accusation might be false.
ALL THEY HAD TO DO was release a neutral/vague termination notice and things would have blown over—but no, they just HAD to go out of their way to try and drag the name of one of their top talents through the mud, because I guess they don't understand what "optics" means.
Just THINKING about how badly they fumbled the situation makes me mad. Nijisanji's PR team had better be out of their jobs for this fuckup.

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>>74592195
Doki literally made follow-up tweets dabbing on Niji, saying "I will longer be silence" and shit

Niji will still get shit on with or without the black stream. The only difference is that the black stream ruined Elira and Vox completely with Millie and other suspects as collateral damage

Anycolor will still call it negligible. Riku will still have to make the apology video to the gaijins. And dramatubers will still continue shitting on Niji until their last breath. Niji's fate is sealed when they killed Selen, but they had a choice of whether sparing the other members or not, and they dragged them in this shit fest too

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>>74592677
That "I will no longer stay silent" tweet at least makes sense considering the context. She went from being active on her roommate account after being discharged from the hospital, to being forced to give updates via her Steam username, to being completely silent on both ends. Anycolor also resold an old voice pack of hers without giving any clue about her current status for about a solid month.
Its also hard to say whether or not management forced the other vtubers into the black stream. Ike maybe because he said nothing of substance and had no reason to be there, but Vox basically spent the longest time speaking in that video, and Elira it seemed volunteered to do the vid and host it on her channel. Being forced to retweet the stream seemed mandatory, but quote tweets make it seem completely voluntary. Especially with Ren calling out one person who thought management forced them into doing it or took control of their account.

[Anonymous No.]

It was a combination of several fuck ups and people mad speculating over what the ones who went through proper graduations had already said/hinted at. Everyone but the obnoxious wigger seem to be doing well outside of their shackles.

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>>74592195
The main problem with Nijisanji is that it wasn't just a PR team disaster.
The Luca Incident that breaks every possible rule had no repercussions. The company is like that. In the West after a leadership change and fire some idiots the drama is kinda "forgiven", Blizzard comes to mind. But Niji didn't even try to change.

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>>74592677
The thing is, Doki only ever made statements in direct response to Niji taking swings at her. If they hadn't doubled down on attacking her character with the black screen stream, the shitstorm might have died down by now and they could've eventually recovered because there was still plenty of goodwill towards the remaining talents.
If you look at any numbermonkey stats site, you'll notice that the sub loss for most of the channels had plateaued at some point between the termination (on the 5th) and the black screen (on the 12th). A few of them, like Finana here, were even starting to recoup their losses.
You're right that the situation was grim either way—but Nijisanji would've at least had a CHANCE if they hadn't let the three stooges yap their reputations away.

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>>74591871
Correct.
Most people expected a termination or graduation.
What we got instead was one the most extensive scorched earth campaign in VTubing history.
The real problem is that Anycolor, the talents, and the NDF don't understand that.
They're stuck on justifying the termination and being completely bewildered that people are upset.
The easiest way to see that is to go back to the black screen stream and watch chat when Vox shows the Discord messages.
That's the exact moment the general audience realized that Anycolor truly believed everything they did was righteous.

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>>74592195
This hits the nail on the head. The way they treated Selen and spoke about her immediately poisoned the well, because there was no NEED for them to act that way. They could have just said something to the effect of
>yeah we’re ending our contract with Selen and she’s graduating due to not willing to want to work with us. It’s a bummer but she was an important part of the EN community and we hope you respect the decision
Instead what we got was outright slander and character assassination of the highest order. I didn’t even watch Selen that much and knew that at least half of the shit they said in their initial termination notice was just outright incorrect, out of character and straight up malicious on behalf of management. Immediately left a bad taste in my mouth, and it only got harder and harder to retain any kind of neutrality on the subject when NijiEN management just kept floundering and tripping over themselves week after week.

The bullying thing is still something that’s stopping me from going back and made me give up on watching my former oshi. Until someone has been confirmed and outed, I can’t feel morally okay with potentially supporting someone who almost drove someone to end their life, and I wouldn’t be surprised if others feel that way too. In any other instance I’d have just held faith, but how can you have faith in something that’s been proven to be so immorally fucked and twisted as more and more lies and truths are revealed day after day?

[Anonymous No.]

Out of the loop was it ever confirmed that the black video was because an actual manager gave them the okay assuming they'd do a similar video to Riku's apology to investors but for the EN audience?

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>>74590844
sob story got all the white knights on her side and shockingly a hobby that thrives on lonely men has a lot of white knights

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>>74593773
There is no proof, but there are 2 common speculations:

1. Elira actually wanted to defend herself from the "Selen slander" so she asked the management to let her speak up while dragging Vox and Ike with them. The sisters who believe this will think Selen is the bad girl and Anycolor is the victim

2. Management made the members do damage control and they used top 3 organs to do the job. Elira might not like to read an evil script but she isn't allowed to say anything different. The sisters who believe this will give themselves cope by believing Elira didn't actually mean it and the corp forced her and Vox (though it's pretty clear Vox took the Selen hate a bit personal)

Even though Riku's main apology was to the investors, he still at least addressed that there was a problem in EN and he apologized for ignoring them. His video and their video are not mutual and Niji could just post his video only and the damage would not be this severe

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>>74594203
I see. I just assumed with how leaky EN has been one of them would have let it slip by now.

[Anonymous No.]

The black stream was when NijiEN truly died, if Riku's video was the only public statement and all the organs kept their mouths shut there might have been a chance of recovery

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>>74592195
Or better yet, give her a slap on the wrist because she was leaving anyway, and let her graduate. She was very diplomatic, she absolutely would've gone out gracefully and never said anything bad about the company, they lose a top talent but zero bad PR.
Instead, well, lol, lmao

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>>74594203
>Elira didn't actually mean it and the corp forced her and Vox
Even if that's true, who cares? That just they're merely spineless and selfish, it doesn't paint them in a positive light. What was Niji gonna do if they refused, mass terminations that fuck their image even worse?

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>>74590844
You have to understand.
Selenfags were the biggest Nijiniggers before Kurosanji pumped and dumped their oshi.
Just imagine how they felt after they got backstabbed by the same company they were defending for years.
It's just karma for both parties desu.

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>>74590844
Back then she was the only NijiEN that I would occasionally tune in to, the rest of branch just never came under my radar or got clips that were funny enough for me to seek them out.

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>>74594762
Lolno. They wanted Selen to graduate. They got their wish.

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>>74593836
She was popular even before she got fucked over.

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>>74594615
It’s ironic too considering that Selen still to this day has done little to bad talk her former employer. Obviously she wants to take back things that are hers due to spending money on the accounts or because things like the Opening are her branding, but that’s it and most of the jokes are at her own expense. Because even when doing a stream where she discussed going corpo or stay indie, she still mentioned the good things that corps can do to help.
Compared to people like notKyo who are quick to paint themselves as victims or the exNijis in Vshojo who frequently throw shade at their former company, it’s a huge difference between the two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74594762
>headcanon
There is a reason why they got expelled from /NijiEN/ not to mention they were friendly with Holo making them "the enemy"

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>>74594762
Nice try but dragoons were the first fanbase to split with /nijien/. Selen was barely posted there because all the sisters hates her.

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>>74594762
Dragoons were the second biggest holobeggars after Pomudachi. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>74594919
It's one of those things where when someone who doesn't talk much opens their mouth, you listen. That she addressed the situation at all was a huge indictment of just how badly they screwed the pooch.

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>>74590844
It became a big meme that spread to outsiders who don't watch vtubers. Like when all the chinamen on bilibili got mad at hololive a few years ago despite them not being that big.

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>>74590844
She literally was the most subbed in nijiEN, even more than Pomu. And before getting terminated she was highly respected due to constantly trying to organize tournaments for nijis or contests with prizes to give something back to her fans, which oftenngot shut down by the way.

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>>74591108
This basically, letting Pomu and Selen leave was a death sentence for NijiEN, the brand has been sinking for a while before but both of their biggest names graduating in such short amount of time?, and with all that drama?, yeah, chances are NijiEN won't live enough to see 2025

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>>74594762
Nah. Selen herself was a huge Niji bootlicker, but dragoons were definitely not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74594499
Actually, have we gotten any leaks at all since February? It's been oddly silent, I wonder if it was indeed Kyo or they got caught.

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>>74596478

i would hardly call dokibird a bootlicker when it has been very well documented you have to be on nijisanji's good graces if you want to get stuff done, wether is was elira acting as management or actual management it's clear that there's favoritism within the company.

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>>74596962
There hasn't been anything since then, couple of livers have been around, but that's it.

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>>74594919
To be fair, it makes sense for her to not shittalk them publicly if she's actually trying to get the law involved.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>74595023
>There is a reason why they got expelled from /NijiEN/
wait, what was the reason?

[Anonymous No.]

It's not about whether she was popular or not, it's about how the company allows bullying and even defends the bullies.

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>>74590844
In the grand scope of things yes she was pretty popular.
Out there in the general normieverse Selen was someone I'd see mentioned the most outside of hololive, whether it be through Apex circles or randoms talking about vtubing in general. She was also kind of the flagship girl for NijiEN for a while next to pomu.
IMO this is why her graduation situation had more kickback than Zaion's. Both situations were fucked, but it's long established well known ""liver"" vs someone only there for a month

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>>74597362
Basically
>with each wave, the more sisters on the thread. Making Selen discussion impossible
>lot of Selen haters with each wave
>unlike other girl fan bases, Dragoons were known to bite every bait making the thread hell every time someone shat on Selen for whatever reason
>early Noctyx brought a lot of hetshippers and when they did it with Selen, Dragoons went into a frenzy making the thread impossible to talk about streams for like 2 months before most of the shippers either left or went to other websites for their fix
>the fact that they were the most friendly to Holo fan base inside Niji ever since the Ollie collab
>and the fact that they hated management every time they canned a Selen project
/HAHA/ already existed before all of that it just that Dragoons finally took it as home on later waves instead of being just a HUB for fan art or random things

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
She is popular but it wouldn't have destroyed the en branch if they didn't handle it like complete psychos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
Twitter loves drama and underdogs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591052
I still can't fathom why Nijisanji was so against the talent making content on their own dime.

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>>74592677
Not quite. Doki's stuff was mostly in response to Nijisanji's own statements; she made very little active jabs at Niji compared to other former livers like Nina or Mysta. Even her vtuber advice stream was 100% free of Nijisanji references.
Mysta was arguably more popular than Selen and actively talked a lot of shit about Niji, but all the stuff he said didn't really damage Niji that much. Sure, they provided ammo for anons to shit on the company, but that was about on-par with stuff like the ID mass graduation and all the other things that happened in 2023. If they had just graduated Selen, it would have been the same. Tribalism ammo, but nothing that will actually break into the mainstream like this.
If they parted with Selen more amicably, this would never have broken into the mainstream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591052
Spbp

>>74590933
Also fpbp
We all know this is a stealth sister thread. But you fucked up OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>74597766
>spoiler
This is more the objective truth accepted by the majority than an opinion. Zaion barely had fans and they were drowned by Niji fans in comparison since the situation was very different in early 2023. After problems surfacing and multiple graduations culminating with Pomu's, a lot less people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Then comes the outside support of the indie community on top of that and everything goes just about as well as one could expect.
If they hadn't tried to walk all over their own "family" culture they built over years, maybe they wouldn't have antagonized their own fanbase too. They would have still be reviled for the circumstances leading to self-harm, but at least not by their own fans since we don't know the details of what happened.
Or at least we could only guess until they've been very transparent in how they operate, with the termination notice and black video. Anyone still thinking that it's an isolated incident rather than a very toxic work environment enabled by shitty management is just being delulu at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74598932
This confused me too, Selen has talked about management pushing back on her for personal projects since 2021. You'd think they'd be on board with someone promoting their brand in a positive way.

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>>74590844
She was the second most popular Niji in EN only after Pomu and one of the biggest earners in the branch, so yeah she really was that popular.

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>>74590844
Pomu might've been the "biggest" girl by the end, but Selen had by far the most reach. She constantly reached out to as many people, companies, groups, events, tournaments she could possibly touch, and anyone who DID get contacted seemed to get charmed almost instantly by her passion and genuine kindness.
A funny thing about her being top 500 in overwatch and apex? She always mained support. Sisters joked that "charity" was her only personality trait, and to an extent that's true.

She loved to be seen as this kind of selfish, opportunistic brat, but her version of "selfishness" is to elevate everyone around her, rather than to bring others down and step over them. In nearly every single project she ever did, it was ALWAYS about other people, rather than herself. Every event celebrated the company or her community. Her "birthday concert" dedicated far more airtime to her guests than herself. Her fucking membership and voice pack images almost ALWAYS had a significant number of nijis with her, celebrating alongside her, often dwarfing her into just a corner of the frame, if she's even there in the first place. Every single event she organized, even if it didn't actually involve other people competing properly like wrestlesanji, always had cohosts, guests, etc. and she always gave THEM the spotlight.

Any person who met her directly either in chat or in person has fallen in love(platonically) almost instantly and eagerly wanted to work together again as soon as possible. Outside of Nijisanji, she constantly commissioned works for not just herself, but also to promote the community of artists and creators she's lovingly fostered. Many of her projects like the costume contest, birthday concert, or the MVs she worked on mostly existed as an excuse to reach out to more artists and reward them for what they were already doing.

And of all the fucking things they tried to pin on her, they tried to claim that this woman betrayed her "friends" and refused to pay artists for her own selfish desires. Fucking nobody who's ever watched or worked with her for a second could ever believe that.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember telling anons that there was no way Anycolor would try to Zaion Selen because she's so popular. Little did I know just how moronic Elira was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74598932
The most likely rrat is the clique management theory, especially with how much Elira is favored over girls who are arguably much bigger earners.
Basically, management is actively denying Pomu and Selen opportunities. Whether it's to ensure Elira (or Enna who is the #3 EN girl) remains near the top or because of certain talents' jealousy is up to you. With Pomu it's a lot easier since she got depressed and stopped trying, but Selen is an ambitious go-getter who was willing to pave her own way, so they had to resort to more obvious red tape to stop her.
Mind, this is still a rrat, but it is looking very plausible atm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
She was popular by NijiEN standards, which are extremely low.

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>>74597045
She was absolutely a bootlicker, but it was more of a battered wife saying that her husband loves her between beatings rather than an opportunistic flatterer. She drank the kool-aid and had to be torn from the company by force. It's no surprise that she got fired over a "vanity project" that she only appeared in for like 30% of the frame at a time (at most.)

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>>74601460

see:>>74600881

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>>74601007
It has to be that scenario. It can’t be a coincidence that Elira was pushed as hard as she was when even Pomu had more subs and earned twice the amount of money she did in superchats. If you choose to ignore the GURRAT and the implications it has about Elira, then that only leaves the option that management wanted to pull some record label shit and only push talents THEY wanted as stars. Probably not even because they think she’s entertaining, but because she would kneel over to management’s demands like nothing else, as a subservient nihonjin should.

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>>74600881
Selen should have been in Hololive.
There's a universe out there where Hololive is even stronger with Selen in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74601460
The Minecraft one is definitely Selen getting all the diamonds while Pomu is pissed she didn't get as many.
I also doubt Fulgar was doing any harassing.

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>>74590844
If it had been a normal graduation it wouldnt have done anything. NijiEN would have lost one of their biggest vtubers but life would have gone on as mostly normal, it wasnt like she was some absurd Gura tier star or anything, Enna and Pomu had basically the same or higher CCV all through 2023 and all of Luxiem was bigger. It was how she got terminated and the perception of NijiEN at the time that was the major decider.

NijiEN had gotten worse and worse reputation as a yabcenter for like a year before her termination so the general sentiment towards NijiEN was rock bottom already and primed for this.

And credit to dragoons for when Selen got suspended they didnt take it silently and went on campaigns and like spammed #whereisselen and shit so people would notice and that it couldnt get swept under the rug

So when the actual termination came it came at a time, right after Pomu had graduated, so the only girl with Selen that still had some goodwill in the wider vtubing community, NijiEN had absolute trash reputation for a whole year, and everyone was already on the lookout for news about Selen, so the situation was primed for a massive nuke

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>>74600881
Rebranding selen as some selfless shy shrinking violet that never takes credit for anything is crazy

When Selen was organizing something, she let everyone know she did it. If she had asked for permission for a game she let everyone know. She was always insanely quick with taking credit even if it was something many people worked on. For most collabs in NijiEN you would never know who organized it until usually someone said like "and yeah thanks to Finana/Pomu/Fulgur/Petra for putting this together". With Selen she would have said 10 times before, during and after that she was the brave one sending out the "wanna collabs" in the discord. Like compare it with Petra, she has worked on so so many covers, projects, debuts, 3Ds and collabs but you would NEVER know unless the other parts of the projects have credit to Petra, but if Selen recorded 5 sec of voice lines to one of Pomus scripted streams you would hear it several times and might come off with the impression that it was actually almost as much of a Selen project as a Pomu project!

Now this rant seems more anti Selen than I intended, I am pro Selen in the Seleb vs NijiEN business and NijiEN can burn for all the harm they have done. And Selen HAS had a big part of a lot of the things I really loved about NijiEN originally, but I just think this rewriting of history that goes on framing literally every single thing Selen has ever done as some weird tragic saintly figure that proposed up the entire branch for years is absurd. Especially as it comes mostly from people that never even watched NijiEN in the first place, so it becomes this dumb telephone game just propping up Selen's virtues higher and higher every single day

[Anonymous No.]

>>74605884
>And credit to dragoons for when Selen got suspended they didnt take it silently and went on campaigns and like spammed #whereisselen
Props to RPR for amplifying it. Also after he learned she tried to kill herself he went ballistic on NijiEN, and rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591187
People seem to forget that Selen actually had more views than all of Luxiem in December as well, and was really the #1 talent by a bunch of different metrics. She was also responsible for several of the company's highest CCV events, more than any other talent.

You know it's less a company, driven by simple profit and greed, and more a cult, driven by power and control, when they shoot a golden goose like that, then fire and slander her, when she's offering to resign and keep her attempt under wraps.

If they weren't so blatantly evil to the point of being self-destructive, we never would have found out about the suicide.

Selen may have failed in her attempt, but Niji succeeded in theirs.

[Anonymous No.]

Back when Lazulight and Obsydia debuted, the world of vtubers was more like a cliff with a sharp edge.
You were either Hololive, with 10k+ viewers, or you were indie, with 100-200 viewers. There was no middle ground for the most part. Except perhaps on twitch, but that's another story.

For Selen to pull 3k was laughable by Holo standards of course, but it was actually nipping the heels of Kiara a little bit, and there were thoughts that perhaps NijiEN could grow and provide another option to Hololive. That's why I liked them, they were a legitimate alternative with their own style. Unfortunately it fell apart when the males debuted. They experienced a huge temporary surge that got Anycolor addicted to chinese money. The end the sisters got their coom, moved on, and when it all settled out the girls realized they had driven away their male fanbase.

If they had taken a different course, perhaps they could have grown steadily like Phase and actually become a legitimate alternative. But it was never to be, Nijisanji was corrupt from the very beginning. Elira had her hooks in the branch from day 1, the seed was poisoned.

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>>74604348
>Selen should have been in Hololive
Honestly, she is not the best at being in a corporation. I do think that she would have done better in Hololive because they actually give support for projects, but she might be a little too crude for their image. I think being an indie is the best choice for her.

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>>74591175
They in fact tried the same routine but it backfired hard. Thing is, with Zaion it could be looked at as a petty once-off thing, with Selen it became a trend that they unironically do this shit for anyone they fire even if it's literally their top talent of the branch, which made people far less willing to buy into the bullshit.

Actually it was not even really Zaion or Selen's dismissals that did the branch in, those didn't help at all (especially Selen's), but they weren't the cataclysmic moment beyond no return for permanent trashing of the branch's reputation - it was that black screen stream. They unironically thought the best way to respond to the "they bullied me so bad I almost offed myself" accusation, was to put out an official formal company statement calling her loss "negligible" and also make a stream doing nothing but shittalk her after she had already been terminated. Shit goes almost beyond even the most feverest of rrat dreams, like I would have thought that's too ridiculous cartoon villain tier to be reality but it literally fucking happened. Just thinking about it makes me annoyed that the branch still fucking exists. It doesn't deserve to and clearly hasn't for some time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74608192
Selen maintained a 3k average pretty consistently during the Lazulight era. When Luxiem debuted, a lot of the girls chose to hop aboard the train and pander to chinese women. But Selen refused. She collabed with them of course, but she avoided the offcollabs and blatant shipping the other girls were doing.
At the end, she was so stressed out she entirely dropped Apex and played comfort games, which caused her numbers to fall off a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74604348
Selen is not very Hololive at all. She collabs with males (including Holostars) constantly, she's not particularly talented at singing and dancing, and she doesn't seem to like rules in general. This isn't meant to criticize either Selen or Hololive, it's just that it's fine for there to be different things in vtubing, you don't have to have all the good vtubers in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74608934
This is a ridiculous post for a lot of reasons but #1 is probably that chink fujos don't like mixed-gender offcollabs or shipping either. Remember the blowup over Reimu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591108
>>74596358
I will also agree with both of these posts. I used to watch both of them, but then only mainly stuck with Pomu. I know there's people who watched multiple members, but for me I just simply didn't have any interest in everybody else. Even after giving Elira a chance for a while, it just wasn't that fun to stick around. And then the situation regarding Selen just made everything worse so it's like, yeah, why the fuck would I stick around?

For everybody else in NijiEN, their humor is shit, their professionalism is shit, and their passion is shit. Pomu leaving was bad, but Selen leaving on top of it was a death sentence for a HUGE amount of people. It showcased the overall quality of Nijisanji and how bad things could get when two of the fan favorites left the company so close to each other.

We already knew things were bad, man. And then it just got worse. And then worse. And even fucking worse. No shit we all put on our hardhats and reversed the fuck out of there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74608192
>People seem to forget that Selen actually had more views than all of Luxiem in December as well
That cant be true, even Elira had a higher median CCV than Selen in december and I have a hard time thinking Elira had the highest CCV in NijiEN in december, have to have been Shu or someshit

>was really the #1 talent by a bunch of different metrics
Name literally as single metric. All of Luxiem has higher subs, CCV, incomparable amounts of SC and merch sales so I wonder what metric you are talking about
Among the girls she was undoubtedly the most subbed, in median CCV she was third over the entire year of 2023 and in superchats she wasnt near the top, way below Pomu and especially Scarle who dominates.
It is possible she was the number one merch seller of the girls but there are barely any numbers to confirm that. The only two times NijiEN had open ranking on the NijiEN merch site, Selen was nr3 in NijiEN (1st among girls) and nr 7th in NijiEN (2nd among girls), while Enna was 4th (2nd girls) and 5th (1st girls), so it is very possible that Enna was an overall bigger merch seller.

So what are those multiple metrics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609253
Sure it hurt the males, but it also gave the girls a boost with female shippers.
Nina for example threw herself at Luxiem and got a massive boost in subscribers, and became the most subscribed girl for a while. But she eventually realized those female viewers weren't there for her, and wouldn't watch her streams if the boys weren't there. So she changed her content, and it was very successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74608934
>pander to chinese women. But Selen refused
This is hilarious because Selen and Enna had the first chinese stream of all in NijiEN. Selen was widely widely loved by the chinese.. because she is chinese lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609603
>So she changed her content, and it was very successful.
True but it wasn't easy, she became a low 3view for a while before the female audience started to watch her again
Pandering to the sisters was a mistake but unlike the rest of Ethyria, she had a redeem arc
>>74609643
>1 random Chinese stream a year
vs
>multiple streams on Bilibili
Not comparable

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609643
Yeah but Enna was speaking chinese every stream, and doing chinese-themed streams with chinese thumbnails, and shipped herself with a male member and did offcollabs with him.
Selen did one chinese stream with Enna and....that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591211
Anon....

[Anonymous No.]

>>74594762
Now explain why none of the rest of them feel the same way after getting backstabbed the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609643
Selen had streams in Cantonese, not Mandarin, which to mainland Chinese is even worse than just sticking to English. She was appealing to the diaspora and folks who aren't cheerleaders for the CCP. Enna, on the other hand, will eventually be Nijisanji's shill for "One China" and reclaiming Taiwan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74594762
This is ironic to read because Niji fans called Dragoons "hololbronies" and literally kicked them out of the niji thread. Dragoons always had their own active split that they'd post in since they couldn't use the main thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74599696
But they didn’t see it as a positive. They saw her as a “brand risk” instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610360
You know what's also a brand risk? Putting out a black stream shittalking someone who already was fired and complained the company bullies her nonstop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74599696
When did Selen start avoiding Elira?
One of the most-demanded collabs was the fabled "dragonsisters collab" when Selen and Elira would finally do a collab together. Instead they seemed to be completely avoiding each other since the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609787
>>74609790
>1 stream
They did several, and Selen had multiple chinese new years streams and things like that too. But more to the point, you think it is a coincidence that Selen almost never collabed with Enna before Luxiem or after Luxiems chinese viewership fell, but when they exploded, Selen and Enna had multiple chinese language streams, they collabed so much they even started a subgroups, Nijicanceled with Vox and Fulgur. Selen pandered to the Chinese almost as much as Enna, only Luxiem did it more

And as a consequence Selen got to be the second most beloved NijiEN girl in the Chinese community. Im not having the player here, play the game. But to call the 50 collabs she did with the Chinese squad during Luxiems peak, "she refused to pander to the chinese" is laughable

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610533
Well they were supposed to be rivals or something like that in the lore... guess Elira took that bit too seriously..

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610559
Ok I concede that she did some chinese pandering, you would be a fool not to in that situation. But she didn't hop aboard the Luxiem train in the same way as the other girls. Do I need to remind you that even Pomu was doing that with Luca?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610559
Last time I checked, she did like 3 CN streams and only 2 being all in Canto
I never saw her on B2 like others

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610533
>Instead they seemed to be completely avoiding each other since the beginning
Rrats aside, they have pretty much nothing in common. I remember just one collab with only the two of them and it was quite awkward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609643
She’s from hong kong I believe. People from mainland china aren’t that fond of people from hong kong. Remember the coco incident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610714
>I never saw her on B2 like others
When Selen was in NijiEN basically no girl ever did bilibili streams, only Luxiem.
I think Maria has done a few and Enna has 1 or maybe 2. But lazulight never did (until Elira now lol), obsudia never did etc etc. Bilibili streams basically wasnt a thing for the girls most of NijiENs existence, so you acting like Selen was some brave soul refusing b2, when almost no one else did it either is strange

[Anonymous No.]

>>74611001
maybe but in NijiEN Petra took all the Chinese hatred. In the NijiEN thread there used to be post with stats from chinese forums about which NijiENs was most loved and Selen was always top two of the girls with Enna.
Petra was dead last of everone, way way more hated than the rest

[Anonymous No.]

>>74608934
>But Selen refused.
Not anymore lol, she panders to them now too

[Anonymous No.]

>>74612884
>1 stream
>this was a promise stream from Selen that was never delivered for obvious reasons

[Anonymous No.]

>>74612976
Promising to pander doesn't mean pandering is OK

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613022
Call me when she does a Canto stream or stream on B2

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613086
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=dcL3j8OJzQw
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=4cxG5COqIXw

[Anonymous No.]

>>74612884
One stream celebrating the Lunar year isn’t pandering, it’s being respectful of your origins.
There are a lot of non-crazy chink not in China who still celebrate it anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613189
>Selen
Thanks for proving my point lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613259
>non-crazy chink
No such thing exists

[Anonymous No.]

>>74607732
I don't think I ever said she wouldn't take credit. If anything, she got her validation from helping others, so she kept nothing really secret

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613285
>She did it as Selen
>"D-Doesn't count!"
>She did it as Doki
>"D-Doesn't count!"
Now you're just coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613301
>not in China
You would be surprised what staying away form Winnie brainwash can do to a person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613372
>Show me the B2 or Canto streams
>post Selen streams
Least retarded Nijinig rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613435
>"D-Doesn't count because she had a different model!"
Once a chink appeaser, always a chink appeaser

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613540
>Ask for Doki pandering
>post unrelated shit
>gets btfo
>starts crying
lol lmao

[Anonymous No.]

I like how the best argument has now become “she doesn’t hate china”. I mean, sure? She didn’t whore to them and she’s asian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613587
You do know that Selen and Doki are the same person, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613672
>least retarded Nijitroon

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613672
Based retard, cant even post proof lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613743
>>74613757
Dragoons have reached a new level of retardation, holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609491
Median of peaks is a bad metric that the numbermonkeys use because its more interesting for their horseraces.
True average is significantly better metric, especially now that raids exist.
As a example there was a shiori stream that was doing like 3k, but it ate a raid 5mins from ending that bumped it to 7k.
As a result according to the numbermonkeys that is a 7k shiori stream.
Similarly the funniest graph they have is of uki raiding his kpop karaoke for the fujos into selen watching pro overwatch.
According to the numbermonkeys even though 75% of the raid instantly fucked off it should turn what was again a 3k stream into a 10k+ one.

If you look at 2023 selen was the number one girl on the true average stats (behind luxium but ahead of everyone else) and in december was the number one in all of nijien ahead of every luxiem member.
>>/vt/thread/65721616#p65722900
>>/vt/thread/65721616#p65727622

[Anonymous No.]

>>74593609
>yeah we’re ending our contract with Selen and she’s graduating due to not willing to want to work with us.
They only use "graduated" to refer to people who quit, not people who were fired. She submitted a letter of resignation and the fired her before the end of her notice period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613842
>said the retard posting retarded shit
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>74607732
Seleb, my beloved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74612884
If she was pandering she would have called it Chinese New Year instead of Lunar New Year you absolute retard. China hates it when people call it Lunar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614138
If she wasn't pandering she wouldn't have done a pandering stream in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>74613842
You do know that doki's parents are from hong kong? why wouldn't she celebrate lunar new year like she as done since she was born? did you watch the "chinese" stream she did as Selen? it was mostly in english and she called it "chinglish" c'os her broken half english chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74612884
i would say this is more of her expressing her heritage though. like most of you have said, she's chinese, and also she's said on stream that being chinese and celebrating LNY is a big part of who she was growing up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74608359
>But it was never to be, Nijisanji was corrupt from the very beginning. Elira had her hooks in the branch from day 1, the seed was poisoned.
While it activates my inner schizoid, you really can’t help but wonder just how much input that Elira may have on the branch. I remember early on when Lazusydia had a collab, “Nepotism” came up as a gag, and it just seemed ridiculous to think such a thing could happen, mainly because EN vtubing was and still is a small world where lots of people are connected. Then Millie and Enna came into the picture, granted Millie was at least friends with Elira/Pomu/Pikamee before she went corpo. But then Shu and Uki came into the picture and it was hard to imagine them getting in because management really saw potential in them, since they didn’t really have much going for them compared to their genmates. Claude of all people getting in really and getting into mild drama with “we could just fucking ask” lends more suspicions to that rrat, I don’t think that suspicion will ever go away at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614204
Celebrating your own culture, is not pandering you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614294
>excuses
>excuses
>excuses
Nope, fuck off with your chinese garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614385
holy NIJISEETHE

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614328
>didn't do a celebration stream in 2022
>didn't do a celebration stream in 2023
>"a big part of who she is"

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591052
Japanese corpos can't comprehend that english vtuber fans don't give a single fuck about the corporation itself
Japanese corpos also can't comprehend that the ENvtubing sphere is way too small for them to get away with things like slander because all the noteworthy chuubas are in the same discord server and know each other personally

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614446
>fuck the chinese
>"n-nijiseethe!"
Dragoons so mindbroken that even anti-chinese sentiment is deemed pro-niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614600
>mindbroken
Funny because I'm still waiting for proof of your Doki claims

[Anonymous No.]

Vox is now weaker than 1 finana

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591598
>pomu ''woo girl''.
>only ethyria cucks stay to watch their oshis currently.
you forgot that pomu and luca was a thing back then. and they went out to buy undergarments together. pomu's fans told her to stop collabing with luca and she told her fans to fuck off. but yeah, that does not fit your narrative of le ethyria girls bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614883
I already provided proof, but you'd rather bury your head in the sand and cope that Selen and Doki are somehow different people

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615078
except it wasn't pomu, it was rosemi
reimu spilled the beans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py00rvy7Kqc&t=4958s

[Anonymous No.]

>>74591052
>and had many connections due to being well-mannered.
This is one of the biggest reasons why Niji's smear job not only failed, but blew up in their faces. Unlike Zaion who was pretty much unknown, and actually menhera. Selen was super well known in both vtubing and streaming in general, so the sheer amount of character witnesses in Selen's favor utterly fucked Nijisanji.
They tired to double down by finding any 2view or flesh tuber to support the smear job, but that only destroyed those people's credibility too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615103
>Doki did this!
>post Selen
Based retard, watching too much Vox gave you brain damage lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615388
>Still coping that Selen and Doki are different people
Very sad, to say the least

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615171
>reimu
why I'm not surprised

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614966
A finana is a unit, just because Finana has more than one finana doesn't mean the value changes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
Yes, she was that popular. Doki/Selen was one of the few NijiEN talents that had traction at /vt/. (Mint/Pomu was another).

The corpo fucked the corpo by breaking Canadian labor laws and doing it in public. Hilariously, they continue to fuck themselves by pissing on the v-tuber community as a whole (and particularly its fan-base).

People don't enjoy being harassed by, censored by and/or cancelled by a billion-dollar Japanese black company run by a trust-fund asshole kiddie. So when you and your fellow NDF members come here and shit-post you can expect to get thrashed by those of us that know what the truth is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614966
GRIM

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614966
That’s actually grim for Vox. Finana at least has probably gained some respect for constantly streaming and doing something for the branch, but Vox has lost respect from fans of female talents due to his general misconduct and how he threw Selen under the bus. Meanwhile, his vidya content doesn’t appeal to sisters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615469
>still no proof
Nijifag...

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615171
>crashed their get together with Kiara
Why hasn't KFP killed that Aussy cunt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614966
CORRECTION SIR!
Finana is streaming at 3 finananas
Vox is streaming to 2.5 fianas

[Anonymous No.]

After pomu she was the biggest. Luxiem was huge but then they sabotaged themselves by disowning bfe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74601460
It was more Doki was tricked to believe that all her accomplishments were Nijisanji's.
Once she figured out that wasn't the case because her entire fanbase mutinied and followed her that you saw her take everything that the Nijis couldn't copyright, like her fan name or redoing her Niji Intro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615171
ok but still does not change the fact that pomu was in on it too with luxiem boys, its not just ethyria girls. even selen was flirting with ike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614966
>>74615489
>>74615711
I propose two, more specific, terms to differentiate the two things:
A "fixed finana" or "finana (fixed)" is 300 live viewers.
A "variable finana" or "finana (variable)" needs to reference a specific time (or defaults to the current time / last stream Finana did).

[Anonymous No.]

>>74616138
I don't agree just because I don't have any ill will against finana, and I don't like using her live count as a measurement.
I'm happy with the fixed metric as1 finana 300ccv for the meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>74615896
I was caught spewing bullshit, so let me spew other types of shit until eventually I land on something resembling an actual point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74616322
Same. She seems nice to me, but the meme is funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
It was completely predictable that this would happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>74616440
Finana is nice, but her downfall is that she's too naive and in a bad environment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
Can we bring back nyfco, so that the nijiretards fuck off back to that shithole?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614966
Holy grim. Vox not even at 2 finanas... and finana at 3...

[Anonymous No.]

>>74618614
be careful, don't talk of milord, they have deleted all threads talking about is numbers since yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
It was really Elira's corrupted and power hungry ambitions:
>Fill the branch with Hanamori and irl friends, with no real charisma or talent.
>People who actually got in based on their own merit and are doing better than them will attract the envy of Elira and her gang
>Those people will be bullied in different ways, some of those ways oddly enough seem to involve staff permission and other higher ups exclusive decisions like participation in NijiEN projects
>Due to the lack of opportunities and various forms of harassments, those organs with talent will quit Niji
So as time progresses, the concentration of worthless organs increases. Basically NijiEN is being destroyed from the inside because of Elira... She has managed to in paper position herself as NijiEN main organ, this alone gives you all the information you need to understand that the branch will eventually implode

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
For starters, the whole fiasco started while Pomu was on her way out, which is as close as NijiEN could get to a “Fubuki quitting Hololive” style red flag. In addition, Selen was the branch’s top female streamer, had done a lot to build up a lot of goodwill with the wider community, and had a history of having projects get shut down for stupid reasons (her last tournament only happened because it was sponsored by EA and being done in partnership with Tempus, she’d been banned from holding tournaments within Nijisanji). Essentially, a company whose credibility was already reaching all-time lows decided to lash out at someone who was too well-regarded for their smear campaign to work, with obvious results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74614138
Whatever her real feelings on China she's pretty obviously afraid of westoids perceiving her as aligned with the country their propaganda mills tell them is bad while they drink cheetos out of their xbox. Especially after the whole vtubing community got owned by Chinese trolls.
Would be unfathomably based if there was an openly pro-CPC vtuber outside of China though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
>2nd most subbed female talent
>not popular
?
The 1st one was Pomu by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>74620650
No, Pomu had less subs than Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74604348
She isn’t really a good fit for Hololive, but literally anywhere else would have been better than where she was.
>>74609100
Holostars is Yagoo’s pet project, willingness to do male collabs would be something Hololive staff would see as a plus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74620650
They were both top in different ways, but #3 was a far distance away

[Anonymous No.]

>>74622116
And take a guess who the #3 was and would benefit a lot from the top 2 disappearing

[Anonymous No.]

>>74622277
Me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74622277
>Enna
>with that flop of a 3d
>and birthday stream
>benefiting
Still losing subs by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
What would happen to a shared fanbase if all these things were true:
>Male talent rapidly declining in popularity due to pissing off their fans
>losing 3/4 of their top female talent in the span of a few months
>75% of the remaining talent goes radio silent for over a month
>The remaining top talent goes radio silent even longer
>It becomes known that all of the talent is getting mistreated first from the company itself and then all former livers speaking out

Selen's termination really just pushed a dire situation into a critical one.

>>74622116
>>74620650
Pomu was slightly behind Enna in CCV averages for both 2022 and 2023. Pomu blew Enna away in SC income though. Selen > Enna > Nina > Pomu for CCV with a big power gap down to Elira for 2023. I'd probably modify Nina to be below Pomu due to having a graduation power boost and also getting out in the middle of the 2023 decline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74622785
Nina was behind Pomu in ccv every single month except Nina's graduation month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
Dookieshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>74623307
Pomu plz

[Anonymous No.]

>>74619891
Selen's dismissal was a fire at the top of the building, everyone saw it and everyone pointed out, but Pomu's graduation was like a bomb exploding in the basement, the base of the building is now completely fractured.
You can see how now that the Pomies are gone, what remains of the community cannot even coordinate to make a simple chant, something that Nijisanji EN was known for and even envied for having that wota passion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
I genuinely worry that the Niji staff actually think all the shit they've been getting for the last 2 months has been about some special quality of Selen, and not just about the fact that they mishandled the situation in every imaginable way plus a few new ways nobody had even dreamed of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74609491
It's undisputed that Selen was the top Niji performer in December and they treated her like shit.
It was also a mistake to believe that just because she streamed Apex her popularity was dropping off. Japan the entire year was going through an FPS craze as the focus went from Valorant to BR again. The EN personalities like RPR actually brought some good will as well with the VCR events and the highlight culminating to the Apex tournament which she did come out on top of which caught everyone's attention. The timing of everything couldn't have fucked NijiEN over harder because they have been in a bubble the entire time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74627858
Most people struggle with recognizing they fucked up. Nevermind Niji management with their demonstrably big egos.
Chances are low and perspectives are FUBAR. The only reason anything good is happening to NijiEN is because they hit the panic button when they noticed the Q3 report would fuck them over. They have such a great scapegoat in Selen so you bet your ass they're using it to cope as much as they can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74627858
That's what I hope they understand as well. Moving forward, no more Zaion style terminations, try to have a graduation, or have a "simple" termination like Yugo. Just baffling how they let this all go down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74628798
It's less baffling when you remember that they have a billionaire trust fund manchild calling the shots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74626602
You bring a good point about the Pomudachis. They were a solid foundation of what was good in Nijisanji. With the fan base starting to split Niji then hit the dragoons. Why is it that they can wait forever to dismiss talents at their convenience but didn't have the foresight to see fracturing the fan base again would lead to a cascading event?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74629040
does this look like a man who's capable of forseeing anything other than what he's having for lunch

[Anonymous No.]

>>74610533
I always found it odd. I understand having totally different game preferences but they would never acknowledge each other much even in the big collabs. When it came to mentions, Selen was the only one who would bring up Elira in any capacity in her post-game zatsus or general zatsu streams.

Elira practically never talked about Selen, even in passing. It left her with no leg to stand on in the post-termination firestorm because while Millie and Enna’s fanbases attempted to cite Selen’s collabs and mentions with them as evidence of a good relationship, Elira had nothing as a defense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74631151
Eh, I don't think collabs are much of any kind of proof. It's professional work. This just confirmed it more than anything. Pandora's box has been opened, and they can never close the lid on the "nijisanji family" or "health breaks" again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74631151
I heard that they tried to work together at first with planning some collabs but they couldn't get perms for any of the games they suggested. They also have very different taste in games so the relationship just never developed. Really, just a complete fuck up of management to make 2 talents lore sisters and they don't even speak to each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74631322
That was the fatal immersion break. Not the unicorn delusion that any of them wanted to fuck you, or even that they were all bestest friends (anyone with a job to pay for merch and super chats is familiar with the concept of professional distance between colleagues). It was that they were all at least capable of being nice enough to each other to not drive each other to suicide attempts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74627858
from what i've seen on how they felt about the AR live, they're drinking the "everything was fine until selen had to ruin it for everyone" koolaid (as some organs also aluded to) so they're going to keep covering their shortcomings with that excuse for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
Selen didn't do shit
Anycolor and NijiEN dug their own grave with the way they handled the whole thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>74632816
Where’d they say this? I wanna hear the cope from the lion’s mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
In the grand scheme of things, Selen's metrics (and most of NijiEN, for that matter), truly are "negligible" for Anycolor. 100% of the blunders post the MV upload belong to Anycolor's incompetence with handling a simple fucking termination. They should've parted ways like they did with Yugo, not like Zaion. And the water is so muddy, I genuinely can't tell how much fault should be laid on the NijiEN livers. At the end of the day, though, it's a billion-dollar company versus a couple of deadbeat streamers with no othe professional livelihood. Shame on Anycolor for the incomptent fucks that they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74633711
NTA, but the nijien general was a salt mine during the AR live

[Anonymous No.]

>>74633711
Not the other anon but they drank a different flavor of koolaid

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>>74615755
Only two people were ever BFE, Vox and Luca. Shu never cared for it, Mysta just wanted to faff around, and Ike doesn't give a fuck about that and he'd rather do music shit.

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>>74595529
>Dragoons were the second biggest holobeggars after Pomudachi.
Being friends with Holo members made it too obvious how much they were getting screwed. No longer naive and removed the ability to live in bliss as a happy clique. The company indoctrination must have seemed retarded to them. They decided to do things on their own. She may have spoken out loud some grievances, but that was Niji's queue to negotiate. But they don't do that there.
What has Niji done to fix the issues since then?

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>>74595023
Fucktarded Dragoon detected rewriting history. Pomudachi's were friendly with Holo's as well and guess what, they essentially ran the thread and when Pomu graduated the thread almost became another mirror of /nenmen/. Dragoons were driven out because they couldn't help themselves but to shit on as many livers as they could. Do you ever wonder why there was a Lazu and Ethyria thread but Obsydia was broken up to /rose/, /HAHA/, and the Anya/Petra thread?

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>>74638564
Sure, its not like the thread became a Selen anti thread after Luxiem!
>Pomudachis
The fact that some of them are still on /NijiEN/ makes me believe that they are just bootlickers

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>>74638884
No it didn't become a Selen anti-thread. It is one now, but it wasn't before. Dragoons were just very insufferable. You still haven't answered why there wasn't a general Obsydia thread like the other two waves. As you said, this was well before Luxiem. The truth is, Rosebuds and Pentomos can't tolerate being around Dragoons.

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>>74638564
>livers
Ogey, Nijisister.

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>>74639019
>but it wasn't before
LMAO, nice cope
The thread hates Selen except for events she herself did so Nijinigs like you could still pretend that we were a "family"
>ou still haven't answered why there wasn't a general Obsydia thread like the other two waves
Because we never wanted to be with other fan bases
Most of the Dragoons wanted to be alone after how the others starting to shit on Selen even if most of the Rosebuds were friendly
>The truth is, Rosebuds and Pentomos can't tolerate being around Dragoons.
Understandable, Dragoons preserved the old Lazusydia soul while the other two became /soc/poster faggots

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>>74639114
That would be an applicable criticism if I was referring to anyone that wasn't in Nijisanji.

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>>74639183
>Most of the Dragoons wanted to be alone after how the others starting to shit on Selen
People shat on Selen because Dragoons continually shat on everyone else. They made it so the first thing people will do is to shit on Selen to piss off Dragoons because they could never restrain themselves in saying such members are shit at games, or shouldn't have been hired, getting lower CCV, and so on. Dragoons shouldn't have thrown stones from a glass house.

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>>74639387
>yes, we shitted and doxxed Selen because we hate the Dragoons... haha...
MEGA cope, the Dragoon vs Pomudachi banter never ended that bad until Lazusydia era ended
I wonder why, maybe because a certain demographic arrived with certain wave

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>>74639498
It was banter with Pomudachi's, more malicious when it was with Pentomos and others. Let's not forget Dragoons and doxxing Finana.

Notice all this shit I'm talking about has nothing to do with Selen? The actions of Dragoons made it so they were treated a certain way.

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>>74618806
I'm more interested to see if Elira can still manipulate merch perms since it's pretty obvious she fucked over Selen for the Sanrio and HYTE collabs to enrich herself while also screwing over Pomu.

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>>74638564
Nobody believed your falseflagging bullshit then or now. You really think this works on an anonymous board?

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>>74639631
NTA, and not a Dragoon but if that is true, that's fucking based ngl

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>>74639631
>forgot about the Selen doxx
>encouraging the anti in the thread
>sending hate supas
>there was a point that even Holo/Phase/non corpo tourist asked why people hated Selen so much when a certain collab or event has happening
You cant rewrite history like that
>doxxing Finana.
Blame shippers, funny how the only one pushing that shit was only Finana

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So the only thing I learned from this thread is to never hire zhangs because they are all ticking time bombs. Also, never give in to demands from zhang audience, especially women.

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>>74639907
Do you have an answer why Obsydia was broken up as a fanbase?
>>74640015
Selen dox doesn't justify doxxing other people. I'm not for that, but Dragoons were so insufferable and always bite the bait that you fed into such people. There's no doubt that Luxiem brought in the worse fanbase, but this is about Dragoons, not them. Dragoons still have their pre-Luxiem history in how they treated other fanbases.

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>>74590844
All niji had to do was act like professional adults in public and not repeatedly attempt to smear her, and somehow they still failed

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>>74640531
KEKEKEKEK NIJINIGS STILL BLAMING FAGOONS TO THIS DAY I CANT KEKEK

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NijiEN is fine and still the second largest EN branch of any corpo despite all the phasecopes.

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>>74608807
it literally read like a niji anti fanfic about how nijisanji will finally yab so hard they collapse, which makes it doubly hilarious that it actually happened for real

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>>74642011
>second largest EN branch
If you take out JP, vshojo mogs you many times over.

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>>74642011
Vox got mogged by Tempus today.
He lost to all 3 members of TSB.

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>>74642274
>vox
Alright. What about the rest of NijiEN?

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>>74642352
Fuck if I know. All of them are so fucking low on the rankings they don't even show up on any of the lists. And I don't care enough to check against anyone else.

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>>74642274
Honestly nice to see the lads doing well.

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>>74642406
You meant to say "Enna got 17k today"

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>>74642448
Ah you're right. She got less than fucking HOLOSTARS.
She got mogged by fucking AXEL.
The true bro.

[Anonymous No.]

are we ever going to get that april yab reveal that anons were talking about when this all went down or was that one of those "theres more, just wait a long time for it to come".

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>>74642659
it was probably the raz document.
Seriously, if the selen thing never happened, THAT would have been the biggest niji scandal this year.

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>>74616138
>>74616322
Meanwhile Pekomama debuted to 600s of finanas

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>>74642702
i dont think it was raz's doc since she implied she only made it on what was basically a whim as someone from inside contacted her to thank her for speaking out, which at the point raz first started talking about luca, the april reveal rrat was already being spread here.
and then theres also the multiple inside leakers implying that the true villains would be revealed in do time.
i dont have my hopes up since anyone can larp but still id like for what ever dirt that could tell us whose in the right or wrong to come out sooner rather than later.

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>>74642997
False also said outright that he's never going to announce anything ahead of time ever again because it was never supposed to be huge, but people kept twisting it until it became a nuke to destroy vtubing.

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>>74616449
>dec 27
they should've heeded this

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>>74642352
Aster got 90 CCV on a League of Legends stream. All I know is that I’ve never heard a corpo chuuba get numbers so atrociously abysmal.

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>>74642493
You should see the SCs, Enna lost to that as well

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She doesn't even need to be "that popular," it's a matter of trust and reputation. By the time she was fired, nijisanji as a corporation already got into a number of controversies and their reputation was shit from things like trashing forming talents and skinwalking others. Selen on the other hand had a very positive reputation and just wanted people to have fun. The two specifically would butt heads when Selen wanted to organize fun events, and often those events ended up canceled by corpo while Selen opted to continue with an alternative or pay for it out of pocket.

When Nijisanji fired her, they effectively fired someone with the stronger reputation. Even people who do not follow Nijisanji or Selen (me) could tell that something's wrong and there shouldn't really be a good reason to fire her. Or even if there was, she still had very valid criticisms of the corpo. Niji's mistake was not only firing Selen, but also the response to it. All eyes were on Niji to hear their justification, and then they sent the Three Stooges out to do exactly what they shouldn't do. Instead of tanking Selen's reputation, it backfired, and it tanked Niji's reputation and the reputation of the three who made that video. It also caused people to start digging to try and understand the situation better, and that's how people found situations such as Elira almost having 5 times the merch deals of the other female talents with decent-ish merch deal counts. (relative to others in the company...except Elira)

And that's where we are now. The company cannot move on until it at least addresses hard facts like Elira's mysterious influx of merch and Luca's violation of NDA. Heads need to roll. SOMEONE needs to take responsibility for these and explain how they were ever allowed to happen, and until that happens, trust in the company will remain zero. The stupid part is they seem to be clinging to individuals like Vox (people dug up his history of being a sex pest, even with underage fans iirc) and Elira (no matter if you believe in the grand unifying rrat or not, it is basically impossible to absolve her of any guilt, no matter how you choose to look at the situation) as if they expect these talents to bounce back and make as much money as they formerly did. They need to realize it's not gonna happen, and if they really want to move forward, they need to instead be ready to cut ties with people like Elira, Millie, Vox, and Luca, while investing new attention in more neutral talents like Scarle, who btw apparently is still very strong on her superchats. Yesterday's breadwinners for Niji will never again be breadwinners.

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>>74644149
he's quite the weirdo lol. who tf even does league streams in parts

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>>74628798
They unironically heard that "westerners liked transparency" and decided to try practicing it, not realizing that people like transparent companies because it shows they have nothing to hide, or more cynically because they are very good at hiding their skeletons, not because they proudly display their skeletons.

The fact that the nijisisters ate up the Zaion shit with a spoon didn't help either, and probably bolstered them into thinking they can pull this shit again with selen

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>>74644216
>they need to instead be ready to cut ties with people like Elira, Millie, Vox, and Luca
So what you're saying is just close the branch.

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>>74642274
All this shows is that a large majority of the Nijisisters are secretly looking for a new dick to worship. Niji's cooked.

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>>74644234
>*sigh*

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>>74644313
They're gonna have a hard time.
I don't feel like digging for it, but I have a few nyfco posts with a ton of updoots complaining about how they like the stars boys but can't participate with the fandom because they're too extreme and get called out too much.

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>>74644297
The best case for them would be if something like the grand unifying rrat were actually TRUE. This means they can actively come out, apologize, explain the situation, and then explain that they felt forced to fire "the clique" because of the negative influence they wrought on the company. If there were some way that Elira was fudging info in order to promote her own merch deals for example, this is something that both investors and viewers would back as a justifiable reason to oust her and anyone else she gave favortism to.

This would create a scenario where Nijisanji comes out with the announcement of firing the clique, we all know and understand exactly why, and then we actually feel supportive of the decision and want to give the remainder of Nijisanji another shot, since it would seem like the corporate heads are actually trying to change and improve and holding their talents accountable. That's how you salvage the situation for the remainder of their talents.

Problem is, we don't know the situation. There may exist an easy fix like this, there may not. Definitely an ironic situation though when Niji's best hope is that the rrat is actually true, because they actually need some kind of bombshell as an excuse for how dysfunctional the company has been. Without that, Niji just looks like it's toxic from the ground up, with only a small handful of innocent talents who were just unfortunate enough to have joined the company.

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>>74634775
I'd argue the opposite, in the grand scheme of things the fact that the nijisanji brand name is now radioactive in the west is a mortal blow to them because it's closed off any foreign expansions, which they desperately need because the local market is saturated. without fresh blood coming in they are doomed to a slow death, and these actions have ensured it

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>>74644486
It's too late to apologize. It would just out themselves as liars who never properly investigated in the first place.

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>>74591108
Imagine losing 3/4 best performing female streamers in a span of 1 month. Couldn't be niji.

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>>74644486
maybe if that happened in march, after doubling down with the AR concert and the singapore meet and greet thing Nijisanji has fully thrown their weight behind supprting the principle members of "the clique", and as such any attempt to fire them now would just be seen as scapegoating by the general public. Ultimately they pushed themselves into a situation where there is no winning move for them, even attempting to keep silent and carry own draws attention and flak

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>>74601460
This is quite apt. Selen ran defense for Nijisanji EN a lot, and continues to keep herself from badmouthing them despite everything. She doesn’t feel the need to add to the chorus of voices lashing out against the corpa. She credited a lot to her place in the branch. Doesn’t really matter how much of it was “coerced” and how much of it was voluntary.

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>>74644752
3?
Elira was middle of the pack at best. Scarle is the one up there. Unless you mean Enna losing her entire audience, in which yeah kek

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>>74644486
The audience isn't coming back regardless if they keep or fire certain people. If they fire certain people then they will even lose more of whatever meager audience they have left. The audience for female members will never recover, Niji EN female side is effectively dead. The male side continually wanes. The branch doesn't have the kind of time it needs to turn itself around. It needs a minimum of a year of nothing bad and doing great events and releasing some good members to maybe be seen in a neutral light, and that's a big if. This branch doesn't have a year, none the less a minimum of two years to actually turn it around.

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>>74644486
Their hands are tied. The Niji livers now fall under three categories: innocent, complicit, and malicious. The innocent will easily be spun as “manipulated” or “coerced”, and will not have to answer to much so long as they make it clear they were nothing but victims.

But the latter two will require some serious evidence to vindicate them in any capacity. Hard evidence and pointing the finger at the corpo are bare minimums to get any form of community goodwill back at this point.

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>>74644791
remember when nijisisters were propping up Selen as a shield against holofags?
I remember

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>>74645033
She outlived her usefulness to them. None of them actually watched or cared about her as anything more than an accessory to the glorification of their males and the corpa

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>>74645033
you know what the hilarious thing is?
It wasn't even that long ago
those posts were made in 1st december 2023

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>>74645033
>not even a month before shit was tossed in the air
>not even two months before shit really hit the fan

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>>74645136
>>74645033
Amazing to see how fast nijisisters change their tune

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>>74590844
Simple, she stole the valor of an hero

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>>74645033
This whole shitshow has shown has nijisisters actually are. They always just cared more about what Selen could do for Niji, and disregarded what Niji could do for Selen, or any of the talents really. I don't get it honestly. I like the talents for who they are, not where they work. Maybe I just liked different Nijis than the sisters, but I liked Selen and Pomu, so if I hear that both of them got screwed over in different ways, I'm sure as hell not gonna keep watching the company that screwed them over in their own ways. I'm gonna go watch them where I can because I like Pomu and Selen, not Nijisanji They merely hold the keys to me watching someone I enjoy, not being the reason why they are successful.

[Anonymous No.]

Tbh i still wanna see Nji staying relevant, not because im a Niji fan but to keep the sisters in one place and not spreading to other corp and indie fanbase

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>>74646135
yea lol. considering the shit thats happening since nyfco went down

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>>74645033
Though she took a hard road out of there, Selen benefits from not having these people as her fans. Imagine these fickle subhumans waving your banner around. They’d burn your house down at the slightest mention of anything that betrays their image of you.

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>>74637701
>so singing, dancing and performances expected to be perfect
what? the good performances are just a bonus, we are here to support our oshis and watch cute girls trying their best

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>>74647431
That's what pisses me off about the skinwalked nijiJP concerts. I don't want to watch a random model do a flip on stage. I want to watch my oshi do her best to practice for the sake of making good entertainment. Whether she's good or not isn't as endearing as the raw effort. But I guess neither Niji members nor their fans give a shit about that part of the dream.

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>>74647431
No kidding, these people are coping, they don't know anything about Hololive otherwise they wouldn't say this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74647431
Funny that successful female singers such as Suisei, Kaf, Nornis even Mori are artists who spend time perfecting their music. While top males such as chronoir or rofmao are fully adopted idol marketing.

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>>74590844
>Was she really that popular?
yes, she was

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>>74590844
Remember the old days when /vt/ fucking hated Selen for being the go to reaction image for tribal war threads, and for playing apex?
Funny how anons will do a 180° when it's suddenly convenient for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>74651101
>I membered
my favorite /vt/ pic

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>>74651101
Wow, it's almost like people's opinions change over time. Crazy concept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74651101
It's almost like somebody wanted us to hate her. And of course on the NijiEN threads Dragoons were called "holofagoons" and the like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74590844
yes

[Anonymous No.]

I'll never forgive Enna for ruining her WWE tournament because of her shitty mood during the stream, it could have been great, but it turned to shit as soon as she appeared

[Anonymous No.]

>>74655114
POMULER IS GAAAYY

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>>74590844
She wasn't. The suicide drama is what made people hate Fagsanji and simultaneously boosted Selene numbers as an indie.
Now vtubers know. Just pull the suicide card and you get more support than you know what to do with.

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>>74655648
>Less convincing Nijisis falseflag
This was 3 months ago. And many examples of it not working all around.
What caused this shit is her always working for her fans vs a corpo that shat the bed for one year, plus three months of her just living her life and maki g her gains vs a corpo that went full damage control while yabbing every week with the most toxic fandom ever.