Are... they even going to make it to the investor's meeting?

[Anonymous No.]

They might be delisted before then.
Totally negligible

[Anonymous No.]

>he didn't buy the dip

[Anonymous No.]

>>74243981

[Anonymous No.]

>>74243981
happy 1 month to the short selling ban

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244051
Cover being delisted would be Yagoos wet dream, he never wanted to go public

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244051
Bait used to have quality Nijisis, back to the shithole with you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244051
lol

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>>74244286
aren't the bulk of cover's shares still private, as opposed to anycolor's which are mostly public? or am i thinking of something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244564
If we extrapolate, you can clearly see which one is the better company.

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>>74244469
>>74244564
These graphs are pointless, Cover is also doing bad because investors got spooked by Anycolor. The difference is that Cover didn't sink money into their stock just before this and they have a good quarter with the expo numbers ahead, unlike the Selen disaster that's awaiting Anycolor.

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>>74244769
Actually not much because Anykuro did an huge buyback and they are still waiting to sell it fully due to the fact they would lose even more millions if they do now, and then the investors will ask another one/dividends like hungry dogs without a care for investments.
Every dip, they are more boned as short-time gain comes mainly from shares.

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>>74244858
Bruh, I agree with you, which makes even more comical that Cover is actually recovering when Niji is the one trying to desperately fire sale everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244769
Neither of them, Yagoo and Riku both own about 40%

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>>74245082

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>>74245021
Daily fluctuations is not a recovery yet. The trend this month has been negative. Gotta wait until the next quarterly report to make any statements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244858
the massive drop from kurocolor on the graph is not pointless

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244048
Yep. This isn't the dip. I am buying in asap tomorrow when the market opens. After Vox's new outfit reveal and his upcoming birthday, the stock is going to sore after it. My Lord will save the day!

[Anonymous No.]

>>74245142
>KLP Kapitalforvaltning AS has Cover stonks.
Dang... That's the company that's running Norway's fucking massive pension fund isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

the future for some it seems in the homeland's eco glad i'm not into stocks :D

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>>74245082
>Riku owns 42.41% of shares
>Anycolor share price is down by 41.72% since the day of Selen's termination
Firing Selen has erased as much value from Anycolor as firing Riku would
(Yes, I know that's not how it works)

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>>74245310
It's pointless for the comparison if they both got a 3 month development of -30-40%. Anycolor just dipped clearly for one specific reason which was their last report.

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>>74245521
Anon, do you notice anything funny about the dates?

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>>74244564
The best part about this is that you can clearly see the multiple attempts at market manipulation by Anycolor and its investors in late February to early March

[Anonymous No.]

>>74245685
Yes the Selen situation also increased the damage of their quarterly report. The cliff was right after the report though.

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>>74245852
My favorite part is how the selen shock is obvious, but then you see ANOTHER dip after the black screen kicking them while they're down.

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>>74244469
>April 17
Lol

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>>74244469
Great job. Cover managed to still not make it past 1,900. Surely it won't drop again in the coming week

[Anonymous No.]

>>74245932
Did you reply to the wrong post? That one clearly says April 22

[Anonymous No.]

>>74246042
Yeah, I'm sure Yagoo will start caring the same day the Dragoons all turn on Doki for collabing with males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244051
Anycolor must be destroyed to protect Cover stock value. Riku's incompetence is scaring away investors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74246151
yagoo is a businessman so obviously he cares
hololive went from copying nijisanji to idol-bu and now vspo
he has always been an opportunist, just following whatever the current trend is

[Anonymous No.]

>muh company's stocks going down, niji is dying yeyeye dramaguys we are winning.
>more and more ex niji livers saying crap about niji and dramaguys rejoicing and gets a boner after hating said livers before.
meanwhile on Riku's screen...

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>>74246151

given all the males shes already collabed with i don't think we'll be launching any horus campaignes against our supreme bird anytime soon :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247077
OMG Niji is saved!!!!!!!!1111!!!2

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>>74247077
>ccv down
>total watch time down
>profits down

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247077
>only 4.5k for vox outfit reveal
still funny to think this guy once outperformed even the jap holos in spachas. lmao

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>>74247541

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>>74247077
The sonny bday thing is always going to be fucking hilarious to me.
The sisters keep repeating it as "OMG SONNY MOGGED BIBOO'S BIRTHDAY" which yes, technically that one individual stream did fantastic for him but... where's the support for the rest of the 364 days in the year? He literally only gets one big payout every single year in a lump sum on his birthday and that's... it. 20% of his ENTIRE channel's earnings is from birthday streams. His averages are pathetically low for someone who's supposed to be part of the "golden 20."

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>sister seethe

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>>74247583
People have always mocked Gura for her low SC despite her subcount and CCV, this is not the gotcha you think it is, sister.

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>>74245310
You are correct. It's not pointless.
It's negligible.

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>>74247583
>the jap holos
i know english is difficult for you browns though, so i'm willing to let it slide.

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>>74247347
In their defense
-they were already in decline for like a year
-most of them stopped streaming for a long time after the incident

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>>74247583
Gura never had great superchats, but she has great merch sales; meanwhile Vox can't move $5k worth of meet and greet tickets

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>>74247951
Cool. Let's see Niji merch sales. Oh wait, you can't. Great example for comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>74248027
Actually we do. They used to also publish the sales during their peak. This was during their peak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247664
>NOOOOOO You can't mog Holo birthdays!!! Mog all their other streams now!!!

Glad to see Holofags continue seething

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>>74248072
So he made 207,549 in USD in birthday merch alone completely mogging what Gura did in USD? It just seems like he's constantly mogging Gura

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>>74248087
sister, please ask yourself WHY the birthday stream's superchats were an important topic to discuss. This isn't just some dick measuring contest, but a measure of their actual channel health. In a vacuum, none of the individual streams matter because their income depends on the fan support throughout the entire year. They don't simply disappear from existence the instant the stream ends. They have rent, bills, gas, stream reinvestments, tech upgrades, etc. and that doesn't go away for the other 364 days.
>>74248225
Sister, your math reps...

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>>74245685
They would have recovered from the Selen situation had they had a good Q3 report. At the same time, they would have felt of the cliff due to their Q3 report, even if the Selen situation never happened. Peoples are trying to make it about Selen, but it was never the case. For the most part investors don't care. In fact when Anycolor fired Gundou for a stupid joke, and threw her under the bus too in their termination letter, they stock went up by 4-5%. The reason why they treated Selen this way, was exactly because it worked so well with Gundou and Sayu. Investors only care about numbers. Is not Selen that brought them here, it was the Q3 report.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74246233
No, NijiEN must survive. Let them have the woke and twitter addict fanbase, we don't want them to migrate to Hololive.

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>>74248816
Doubtful. They would've hit the circuit breaker from 4k to 3.3k and still been in the green instead of 3.k to 2.4k, as well as likely being able to drum up some bullshit to meet goals due to having a not ruined reputation in Q4.

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>>74248614
>This isn't just some dick measuring contest
That's exactly what it is. Don't pretend like numberfags give a shit about people's living situations. Every corpo vtuber is living just fine and comfortably unless they start talking about going homeless. Point is Sonny mogged Holo birthdays and you kept on saying the EN branch was dead. So take your punches, kid

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>>74248981
>Every corpo vtuber is living just fine and comfortably unless they start talking about going homeless.

Sister... Selen made 0 profit in 2023 despite being one of their highest earners (INCLUDING the men)
Mysta was 250k in debt due to them fucking him on taxes and fled the country after leaving Niji.

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>>74248614
>Sister, your math reps...
The Nijisanji merch graph is solely in USD and not NT. If this is just the shit the amount made overseas, Vox mogged Gura. If this is in total, he still made more than Gura did in the English market

[Anonymous No.]

>>74248981
-40% revenue YoY
-55% time watched
-33% CCV
But hey, Sonny's birthday!

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>>74249101
Cool. Let's see how hard Holo dropped considering half the EN branch doesn't stream anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244469
>Despite everything Anycolor is still more valuable than Cover
It's fucking over for you Coverkeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74249057
>Selen made 0 profit in 2023 despite being one of their highest earners
Because she admits to being a retard. She also still lives with her parents despite having the money to afford her own place
>Mysta was 250k in debt due to them fucking him on taxes
What a liar. He admitted to himself fucking up his taxes and Mysta is rich enough to buy a house in one of the most expensive cities in the planet. You can tell he's made it because he's evading taxes

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247583
Gura was never a strong earner when it comes to SC's thou.

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>>74249096
No, the revenue is just listed in USD on that chart. It's naive to think that's the purchasing currency when vox never got above like 30-40% usd in his peak.

Also ipass literally doesn't exist outside of asia so the only people in the US who would buy it are people who both know how to somehow get it and also know they can't actually use it for its intended purposes. Very weird take.

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>>74249177

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>>74249096
The conversions from NT to USD are on the chart and the final number at the bottom is in USD. That's what Gura sold of merch that was basically only available for purchase in Taiwan and was only promoted in the Taiwanese market. This isn't birthday merch or anything. This is a pillow and iPASS cards which are some kind of thing that the Taiwanese use instead of money.

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>>74247347
"watch time" is not a real statistic.

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>>74249177
It's in the same chart. Everything in HoloEN is up by nearly or over double, and JP is still growing strong and completely dominating as always. And this was WITH the dogs "missing" for a month (and hilariously during their move they they still streamed more often than many of NijiEN in the same time frame.)

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>>74247347
>Beaten by by DEV-IS
GRIM, although I'll concede one thing...
>Holostars lost to Phase
GRIMMEST.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisisters just give up. The whole board hates you fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>74249421
That's not HoloEN

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>>74249177

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>>74244051
smartest nijisister

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>>74249689
Actually sad. I randomly ended up in Hakka's birthday stream yesterday and the dude seemed like a super wholesome, fun loving, all around great guy. In like 5 minutes he explained how his superchat proceeds regularly go to charity (which his membership gets to vote on each month), and how important it is that his profits goes back into investing the channel via music, better equipment, even apparently fucking video games, desperately thanking his fans for supporting his dreams.
Anyways I think I'm a stars fan now.

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>>74249057
mysta went full retard on property taxes

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>>74249096
That's a Taiwan event sister. You are literally trying to make Vox selling 250k worth of his merch, globally, at his popularity peak, into a win against Gura selling 1.5 million dollars worth of merch in a single country. Is fucking ridiculous. Ipass made some merch available internationally for like 2 weeks, after they saw strong interest from outside of Japan and they decided to extend their event. You have nothing to compare here. Is like comparing a Redbull sponsorship with a Raid Shadow Legends paying you 200 dollars to promote them on a Youtube video.

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>>74249756
>Let's see how hard Holo dropped

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>>74249500
Ahhh... so that's why is called a 'card'... It was so damn confusing because they were talking about cards, and I was seeing no cards anywhere, just figurines XD

[Anonymous No.]

>>74245685
February 5th.

The day the cancer was removed.

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>>74249542
Why? Cus you are losing? Is a very real metric, don't you hear all the streaming services talking about the watchtime of X show on their platform? It also translates in ad revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74249756

[Anonymous No.]

>>74249742
No

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>>74249057
Your knowledge is like you heard a dramatuber stream playing over a walkie talkie

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250347
That's not revenue or watch time or CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>74249756
huh, weird. They didn't drop 40% despite moving nijifes' earnings into that quarter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244051
>>74244564
Lmao Holofags btfo on the first 10 post of the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>74248925
That's ok, you can keep wishing for NijiEn to die. We won't migrate to Hololive I assure you. Our former livers on Vshojo + the indies are our likely new home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244051
please let it be delisted and private again, those jew investors was pressuring him so hard to go public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250503
That still isn't HoloEN. You know the 40% only applied to the EN branch, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247077
I think the point here is that we aren't dying, or even close. We might never be number 1, but we'll survive just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244263
They had to make special rules to save face? No wonder they are fleeing to China, they belong behind the great cope wall.

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>>74250508
Sister... even that chart you're saying "btfo's" the holofags shows that their growth is clearly higher than Niji's right now, despite Niji's fuckups forcing them to drop by similar amounts. The main difference is the gigantic fucking drops in february and march, and the upcoming one in june (assuming it's still even on the public market after that.)
>>74250607
You'll just have to seethe then. Unlike Nijisanji's blatant favoritism, Hololive loves all of their talents equally regardless of branch (much to the unicorns' displeasure)

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250790
So Cover is so cowardly that they won't report on how hard their EN branch is flopping? Got it

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250483
>>74250216

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>>74251009
>The original argument is goal post shifting
Glad to know Holofags will shift the goal post and claim people not shifting their arguments are the ones doing it. Read the thread

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>>74251134

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>>74251319
Why are you showing me more Nijisanji graphs and not the graphs on HoloEN's CCV, watch time and revenue on the report?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250990
Holo has nothing to hide.
At the investor's meeting, one guy scolded Yagoo and told him that he was paying the talents too much, saying they should be more like Nijisanji. Yagoo promptly told him to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74249542
funny how Anycolor used to put it in their financial reports. I wonder why they stopped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250790
Those Nijisanji graphs just reassure me that the company as a whole (so many idiots think NijisanjiEN is Nijisanji as a whole) is thriving, the company as a whole will be fine.

Also, didn't know commerce [merch/vps] is overall the biggest chunk of the pie. Livestreaming would include supas/streamlabs right?

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>>74251384
because "HoloEN" is just a label for the sake of our organization. Hololive Production groups everything as a lump, and has no history of abandoning branches just because they performed poorly. (As holoCN was actively hostile towards the company and literally betrayed them, actively attacking the other talents in ways that the sisters love to claim Doki is somehow doing.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>74251398
>Holo has nothing to hide
Except the statistics on the EN branch apparently

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247664
Holo fans like to SC constantly throughout different streams, while Niji fans like to pile SC up in big events

[Anonymous No.]

>>74251547
sadly, yes and no. It's likely the company will still exist as it is still profitable as a whole, but the selen shock was so bad that it actually decimated their stock prices, which NijiEN cared so much about that they spent several million dollars trying to pump it up instead of actively reinvesting in their employees. I'd be surprised if they aren't bought out or don't downsize heavily after June causes another circuit break.

>>74251560
Sister... You can check them yourself and they still don't support your argument. Notice how nearly all of the higher superchats are relatively recent rather than being entirely from one year, with her highest ever being from only 2 months ago? Nearly all of holoEN looks this way compared to NijiENs like Vox or Luca whose only real earnings happened in 2022 and very early 2023.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74251873
>Most superchatted in the top left

Cool. You proved your bias. Now let's see the statistics on the report on HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>74251977
sister, I organized them by superchat because that was relevant to showing their growth. You're grasping at straws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244564
Holy shit, you can actually see the drag on effects of NijiEN scaring all chuba company investors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74252162
But Sonny made more in this year's birthday than his first one. Tells me nothing about the statistics of HoloEN on the report

[Anonymous No.]

>>74251977
>goalpost shifting
>NOOOOOOO SUPAS DON'T COUNT CCV DOESN'T COUNT HOURS WATCHED DOESN'T COUNT IT'S ALL BOTS REEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEE THEY DON'T COUNT THEY DON'T COUNT THEY DON'T COUNT REEEEEEE REEEEEEE REEEEEEE
Kill yourself sister just like your doxsite

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>>74252639
>But sonny
Made more on his birthday than every stream he had COMBINED till august 30th of last fucking year, Do you know what that means?.. he made.. less than 50k in supas... for the past 8 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>74252748
>Never shows the statistics for HoloEN's Q3 to compare it to NijisanjiEN

Interesting. Looks like Holofags are trying to cover something up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74252639
check sonny's playboard and you'll see the dude ONLY makes money on his fucking birthday. He has the 2nd or 3rd lowest total supas in all of noctyx, Fulgur and alban i'm pretty sure beat him and it's not even close, its something like 360k total?, fuwamoco are approaching 500k total and they have not even been around for a full YEAR yet let alone 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>74252839
Don't care. Show me the statistics for HoloEN on their report so we can compare it to NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247951
Jesus Christ, Shark Strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74252924
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1bepgqu/nijisanji_and_cover_a_sidebyside/
Nope nothing to hide. Looks pretty good to me.. by the way that revenue per vtuber counts in each and every holostar as well, Literally every single one including armis who DEBUTED in Q3

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253099
That's still not HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253246
Listen mongoloid. Hololive EN makes more than the entirety of nijisanjiJP does combined i can assure you that, NijiEN gets mogged by fucking Holo ID, holostars, phase connect, and INDIES, Dokibird in the past 3 months has made more in supas than ANY singular organ in nijisanji EN or JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253339
>Dokibird in the past 3 months has made more in supas than ANY singular organ in nijisanji EN or JP
Obvious lie aside, why is there no officially reported statistics about the profit of the HoloEN branch? Nijisanji showed them to the investors so where's Holos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74243981
N-N-N-N-NEGLIGIBLE

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253571
Fuck the investors, they don't get shit. They funded the new studio and as soon as the stock price is low enough Yagoo and friends buying the stocks back will have made a solid profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253571
Actually, I think it's true. Even kuzuha didn't make 98k in 3 months despite his 25k april fools stream and his 20k outfit reveal. I don't believe the rest of his superchats added up to even close to the 40-50k he'd need to top Doki since return.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253571
>obvious lie
Technically you are right it was a lie, but at the end of march dokibird had 95k in supas, This chart for niji is every stream from Jan/Feb/March for ALL of nijisanji in hololyzer, The ONLY nijisanji member to beat doki's feb + march with their Jan + Feb + March is pomu with her graduation buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>74254170
(Me) Keep in mind doki was FIRST MONETIZED on February 7th, also i got my math wrong she was only at around 92k at the end of march, Still beats out kuzuha's last 3 months combined tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>74253838
You want Cover to be blacklisted? Because scamming the stock market is how you get blacklisted

[Anonymous No.]

>>74254170
even funnier when you think that her most profitable stream has all of its ad revenue sent directly to the owners of the Freebird IP because of that one twitch clip and she figured the money wasn't worth killing chat replay to mute it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74252978
I'm still waiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>74254489
The stock holders have to agree to sale.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74251547
JP itself is fine and more than sustainable, its profitable. NijiEN may be sustainable too, more than any of Anycolor's international branches in the past, however the profits have been gradually declining. Anycolor also discussed that one of their core pillars would be NijiEN in 2024, and that hasn't come to pass. And the one person you don't want to sell your soul to are investors, or else you will be at their mercy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74244564
Holobros... what is this... we didn't do anything wrong, why are we declining...

[Anonymous No.]

>>74254803
>NijiEN may be sustainable too, more than any of Anycolor's international branches in the past,
It WAS. prior to feb 6th. After that, all of their revenue and viewership completely dried up and it's been slowly strangling them ever since. The branch is completely dead without some kind of major relaunch or rebranding as it completely fails to bring in any significant amount of new viewers or their money. >>74254822
Investors get scared like cattle because they don't actually research the companies they're specifically investing in. People see that the "biggest" vtuber company just got a massive stock boost before completely cratering and assume ALL of vtubing is collapsing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74247664
Biboo is an embarrassment. Too long streams, not enough returns

[Anonymous No.]

i genuinely don't understand what satisfaction sisters get from deluding themselves into thinking hololive is doing bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>74254170
Drama buffe'd and savioyo' fag Dookit'bir wuz' stron', but no'w she is droppin' in both vieyew' an' suparchit'. wel' atleas't 'tis bish' are an indi' no'w ay', like ma' 'G Quinn. al' tos' vod mone'y goes to her walleet no' yea'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255096
Any competent investor would realize just how hard Anycolor is already squeezing their fans wallets dry right now to not even hit their targets.
Their international ambitions are practically dead due to sheer incompetence and they haven't really improved since Selen's firing.
That job listing for content quality control being a minimum wage and for students only is a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74250503
Do you see a lot of future growth potential for cover in the years to come?
Or will their income stagnate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255500
Don't really know, don't really care. I'm not an investor. The streamers I like seem happy and nobody's died or come close to that yet in Holo, so I feel safe with them handling my dogs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255491
No sane investor without billions to invest should touch anycolor.
The only buyers who make sense are fans responsible for inflating the price of the company.

At least with Hololive there is a potential for fitire growth but the p/e is greatly inflated too.

[Anonymous No.]

>people now realizing investors invested in both because they believe in the industry, not any 1 company
you thought regulars investors are fans and know what is even going on? they see the drama and pull out of the industry. also yahoo commentors/retail investors who might actually know whats going on are a drop in the bucket, useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255660
I was thinking of investing a bit in the company if the price and growth potential make it worth it, but last time I checked that was not the case.
I avoid vtuber businesses because I can't make projections for their future growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255716
no sane investor invests billions in a single company, most of them are investing in index funds who basically pick an array of related stocks to invest in, that's why the stock price of anycolor and cover were in lockstep until recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255847
Cover is still overvalued as fuck, investors treated these two companies like tech stocks when they're more akin to entertainment companies.
Cover's fair payout will always be a huge mark against them on top of that.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do sisters memoryhole cover investing the same amount of money niji burned on inflating their stock to build the biggest mocap studio in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>74256198
Because it's not true. Cover spent LESS on that. It was like 12-14m vs 18m from AC's buybacks iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255776
That's possible.
What I meant is that an investor with billions could afford to throw a few millions away into a risky investment.

>>74256046
That was my initial interpretation too.
However Disney is a multi billion dollar company.
An entertainment company can grow larger, but it's difficult to speculate on this and Hololive would be limited to the same market as the anime industry.

The P/E of Cover is starting to decrease to more reasonable prices.
Maybe after a period of stabilization we can get a fair price, but there are better opportunities outside of vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74255371
this dude ended up looking like the whitest dude imaginable but he talks like hes black. i guess he's from Tennessee or new jersey or some shit since they all sound a little funny too

[Anonymous No.]

I miss /biz/...
The corrupt jannies killed it.

It's nice to have a bit of investing related discussions here without the paid fuders and indian scammers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74256046
The big issue I have with Cover compared to an anime producing studio is their bad habit of easily graduating vtubers for drama, recruiting landmines like Rushia, and not having a proper understanding of the value of their vtubers.
Vtubers have a limited life span.
When you graduate one you kill all their future potential.
Every time one of them graduates it's like killing a golden egg laying goose.

The most profits are made over time through generations.
A generation which grows up with something will later become great customers through nostalgia and transmitting that passion to their children.

Mickey still lives after decades, but if they can graduate one of their vtubers for a NDA breach without making an attempt to mitigate the situation and keep her with a different punishment then I can't see this company lasting for decades once their most popular vtubers also meet the same fate.
There were also instances when the talents needed psychological support and didn't get it.
Cover is becoming a bit too soulless in its management and treating this like a simple business.
The more they tend towards this and the less their company will last.

[Anonymous No.]

>>74257109
It's honestly incredible how low their performer turnover has been so far. Out of all their talents, how many have actually left? You got mel, rushia, coco, aloe, sana, and 5 stars between EN and JP, along with the 6 HoloCN. That's 15 out of... 104ish? I probably missed one or accidentally counted one twice.
Of those, 8 were embroiled in actual company-ruining controversy, of which one still left the company on a high note with easily the largest vtuber event in the industry's short history, Rushia was a bizarre case, Sana's was "normal" and I have no idea what happened to the dudes, but they seem like legitimate graduations. It really doesn't seem like they're willing to cut ties easily with their performers and of them, I think only vesper/magni have really left due to issues with the company itself. Mel is the only unknown but it's probably for the best since she seems to be doing fine.

For the record, Niji has something like 60-70 graduations just in the main branches.

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You faggots keep charting each other to make a point. That neither of you buy the dips.

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>>74257841
Playing stocks is all math and luck, and boy, do I suck at both.

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>do all my stock trading on CashApp
>they don't do most stocks that go public, much less JP chuuba companies
>can't buy at the dip
Stockchads, which apps do you use? I want to support my oshi's company.

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>>74258194
brother don't mix personal preference/bias and investing, you'll get blind

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>>74247077
Of course a niji dickriding bitch like you would treat Riku taking all those play buttons as a good thing.

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>>74258194
Dont have access to firearms

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>>74258194
>investing in vtubers
The CashApp is making you a favor here.

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>>74249766
"smartest" at being unable to see the writing on the wall

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>>74250455
That's rich coming from a shit eating Nijisistrash

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>>74255371
Is this how sisturds speak? Ew.

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>>74247077
>riku has 8 talents with 1 million subs out of over 300
>Yagoo has 40+ talents with their own gold play buttons out of around 80.

I can't believe someone seriously used that image in favor of him.

On top of that, the "omg they talked with the oshi no ko" is kind of hilarious considering Selen had the author come on stream on a whim to play Apex

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>>74257109
and your precious """"soulful"""" nijisanji graduated 50+ of their talents on top of treating most of them like shit. you can cherrypick all you want but it'll only make you look like a mindless nijislave desperately trying to shit on a superior corpo

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>>74259476
Nijisisters have brain damage please understand.

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>>74259476
>Selen had the author come on stream on a whim to play Apex
what the fuck that's awesome, it feels like she's more well connected than the entirety of niji

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>>74248816
Yeah, and the Q4 report is going to be disastrous for, if nothing else, NijiEN, given how many of their large organs barely streamed for nearly half of it.

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>>74259924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1LUFQNK2iU&t=241s

I'm pretty sure at this point she's had more JP collabs than elira, maria, and petra combined. And she absolutely cannot speak Japanese.

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>>74257109
>The big issue I have with Cover compared to an anime producing studio is their bad habit of easily graduating vtubers for drama
Are you retarded?

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>>74260462
There is also another clip with a bit more of the author's POV. It's kind of hilarious how their passion english devolved into "I love you" at the end of their first call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNTliX9Ciw

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>>74261159
Not an uncommon sentiment. All Selen needed is "YAY YAY! ARMOR!" and she can do a full collab in a language she can't speak.

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>>74256284
No, your family fails you. Cover spent 20 million dollars on it's new office and mocap studio's

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>>74261893
Ha-HA! We're BOTH retarded!

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>>74257109
That's not true. Cover is much more flexible than you think. Numerous talents breached their NDA's before, without any real sanction, and nobody was terminated for drama up to this point. Cover literally left a huge market, choosing 2 of their talents over it. The difference is that most of the NDA breaks were talents talking about stuff in their contracts, or showing their contract to others, stuff like that. Only a severe NDA breach results in termination. Cover took action to protect Rushia and all she did was to stay silent and let them deal with everything, but no, she went to a known drama tuber and started to leak behind the scene stuff and doxx her coworkers. We don't know what Mel did, but if she talked with Cover and she herself reached the conclusion that termination was the only fair result, it mean that termination was the lest of the worst options, is very likely that the other option was a lawsuit. NDA's aren't recommendations, they are legally binding contracts. If they are not enforced what purpose they serve anyway?

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>>74245142
>Norway
>Switzerland

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>>74259924
That's what happens when you're a good and decent person, you make friends. One can only wonder why most of Niji doesn't seem to have that many…

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>>74262307
No, that's the price of just the studio. I am talking about the whole thing, their whole new HQ. Is not even a single studio, they built 3 of them.

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>>74248925
Don't worry they consider holoive and the fans as "the enemy" they will not migrate to hololive after ideologically opposing it for so long.
Vshojo on the other hand . . .

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>>74262575
ah then idk. I didn't look at the price of the office building because all I care about is more 3D stuff.

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>>74251384
You've been shown the graphs on HoloEN CCV, you are just pretending you don't see them.

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>>74262630
That's just the hardcore tribalist. Is the more casual fans, who are not into corpo's wars, but are into the 'culture wars' that I am concerned about.

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>>74263070
They'll get rooted out pretty quick or filtered by the unicorns. It'll be fine. A lot of them hate the stars fanbases because they refuse to play along with their bullshit, according to some hilarious doxxsite conversations I've seen.

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>>74262630
While not Hololive, they're more than eager to watch the homos, so I don't think they care that much about their convictions.

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>>74264114
i'm more worried they'd flock over to the some of the indies I usually watch because they're at least discord-adjacent to the niji fancords. Though I legit want most of the EN indie scene to crash and burn at this point.

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>>74255371
ah ya shieeeeeeeeeeeet bix nood muhfugga

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>>74245142
Which of these is A-chan?

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60 more yen and we will make Niji history

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>>74267177
Come on Nipbros, I know you can do it

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>>74267177
just 60 more points and we'll be breaking real new ground.

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>>74257109
I can smell the nijisister seethe oozing from this comment. One can tell that they angrily typed all this made-up bullshit out of spite.

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>>74262988
Fake data from Holofags. Give me official charts that people have to be legally responsible for

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>>74244051
Nijisanji fans have no idea how much of a win this is for Cover. Got their multimillion dollar studio funded by random investors and their company 100% is theirs again.

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>>74267177
Please, anon, I can only get so hard.

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>>74275146
>>74267177
aww, it went back up slightly after lunch. Maybe tomorrow.

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>>74249057
>Selen made 0 profit in 2023
If we believe this claim of hers we also believe her claim that the 0 profit was because she dumped $200K on projects (that she was told lot to do). So to break even at zero profit she must have also made $200K in 2023, I have no sympathy for someone who can bring in that money.

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>>74244051
>>74244564
>Cover Corp entered the market at 1300
>Anycolor entered the market at 3200
>Cover Corp being above 1300 is a win
>Anycolor being below 3200 is a loss
>Cover Corp has repeatedly told investors to GTFO when asked to cut costs like talent revenue split and project funding to boost profits
>Anycolor gives their talents a 2% merch cut and has no managers
>Cover Corp spent 18 Million Dollars on a brand new 3D studio
>Nijisanji spent 18 Million Dollars on a stock buyback when it was at 3100 a share to boost it to 3800.. only to instantly lose all of it due to firing selen

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>>74259476
>On top of that, the "omg they talked with the oshi no ko" is kind of hilarious considering Selen had the author come on stream on a whim to play Apex

Akasaka once spent an entire Apex tournament to busy trying to get into Chigusa’s pants to pay attention to anything else. The dude is constantly in VCR crap and other shit like that, the guy will do anything to be around vtubers so it’s not really a win for anyone.

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>>74244858
Cover has been mostly following the ups and downs of the Nikkei index at this point, at least when its main competitor isn’t being the industry millstone. Anycolor is the outlier here, they drop even when everyone else, including Cover, goes up.

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>>74276199
For reference she's gotten almost 100k in just superchats since monetizing on feb 7th.
She's a money making monster and they completely gutted her out of spite or pride or whatever. I can't understand their logic.

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>>74276868
kind of based. Man has a goal and he's going for it.

Pretty ironic that he's into Niji considering the topic of the manga.

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>>74254489
>scamming
Not Yagoo’s fault that investors had unrealistic expectations for growth, or if they got cold feet because their competitor keeps shooting itself in the foot after claiming to be #1.

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>>74255166
Are they takos?

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>>74277040
Like most married Japanese men he was going for the goal while ignoring his wife.

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>>74277452
Guy got cucked, it's why he ruined Kaguya-sama with his melodramatic love triangle bullshit.

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>>74277771
He ruined Kaguya-sama because he’s incapable of sticking the landing.

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>>74276482
Farmer C entered the market with 13 goats
Farmer A entered the market with 32 goats
Farmer C having more than 13 goats is a win
Farmer A having less than 32 goats is a loss
Farmer C repeatedly told leeches to fuck off when asked to cut costs like reducing their food and shelter to boost profits
Farmer A doesn't have anyone to take care of his goats and starves his goats
Farmer C spent a shitton of money to get a really nice barn for his goats
Farmer A spent the same amount of money to make it LOOK like he has 38 goats instead of just 31, only to lose it after they killed everyone's favourite goat Selen

goatposting has become my favourite meme

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>>74257841
All of my investment funds are currently locked up in lockheed martin, Bae industries, and a bunch of other mic related stocks, sorry bro but this shit is unironically too small for me to bother with

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>>74274325
>legally responsible for ccv data
I am laughing my ass so fucking hard

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>>74278495
>Bae industries

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>>74278608
I guess you didn't hear about Susan being tried at The Hague

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>>74251547
>Those Nijisanji graphs just reassure me that the company as a whole (so many idiots think NijisanjiEN is Nijisanji as a whole) is thriving
retardedsisterchama,NIJI JP IS NOT DEAD "YET" but "THRIVING" is far from reality lmao,mind you that holo,vspo and other are RISING,the one actually thriving here,niji is the one that gone down over the years and keep going down

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>>74257591
A talent leaving the company damages their entire brand.
One leaving with a termination is already too much.
Their standard should be 0 graduations outside of the wish for a talent to retire.

I don't consider Niji a worthwhile company because of it's narcissistic CEO.
The same criticism would apply to them too, but it's wasted energy because the company can't change with an ego driven CEO.

>>74262382
To serve as a guideline.
We are not here to count points and fire those who get a red mark, but to make money with a lasting business which deals with humans.
A proper company would also accept the ability of humans to make mistakes.

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>>74278843

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>>74257109
>but if they can graduate one of their vtubers for a NDA breach without making an attempt to mitigate the situation and keep her with a different punishment then I can't see this company lasting for decades once their most popular vtubers also meet the same fate
retardedanonchama,how many of them graduate? you've mistaken cover with anycolor here,theres only 2 graduate because of NDA and about talent leave they are fucked? you sure? rushia and coco are THE TOP HOLO,they leave and the NEW TOP HOLO RISE,wheres the problem?

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>>74278976
i guess you didnt hear that niji is going down and down every year

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>>74276972
She's only making that much money because Niji fucked her over to monstrous levels of press. It won't last. Savior phase is already burning out.

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>>74280412
She doesn't need it to. She's got sponsors now. That's... kind of the whole point. She didn't NEED to fund everything herself in the first place, Niji just made them do it because they're fuckers who like to control everything.
https://youtu.be/gDEo6dpxsyY?t=81

God this vod still chokes me up.

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>>74247583
So, where's the cope when her collab with sushiro outperformed both Genshin Impact and Nijisanji collabs? Superchats only matter if you break 100k a month because you've got to deal with the cuts from youtube and Cover. If superchats mattered, to her, she'd be streaming more.

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>>74280998
one of them seriously tried to argue that vox won because the merch sales figures I posted was converted to USD, so "Gura lost all her EN fans"
...On a product sold and usable exclusively in taiwan.

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>>74250745
Best path forward should be to shutdown the EN branch and refocus in China, Japan, and SEA. Maybe wait a few years then try again in EN.

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>>74243981
Reminder that nijisanji almost cost 2 livers their lives

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>>74281092
I think he read the numbers wrong and didn't realize that the Gura promotion's converted amount (USD) was over a million dollars

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>>74281215
>with a competent CEO and competent staff
This is an important addendum to your statement

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>>74250292
>The day the cancer was removed
>Presumed "cancer" was leaving anyway and yet they decided to prematurely cut her
>Now they can't stop the bleeding, patient is now on life support and requires routine doses of Chinese medication

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>>74282095
also the tumor grew into a whole new person who is now the owner of a small business.

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>>74247541
Vox is irrelevant at this point. $4.5k for a special stream is a negligible amount.

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FUCKIN TOO MANY ESSAY-LONG POSTS!
anons, we are invaded by doxxsite sisters!!!
I take my word back, i wish doxxsite would be up again so that these niji bootlickers would be gone.

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>>74243981
im on nofap till q4. ima bust the fattest nut once that hits.

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Although prices have fallen considerably and prices are starting to feel reasonable, I don't see any signs of stock prices rising for either company.

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>>74279007
Rushia got cut off not because of a mistake but because of repeated, intentional leaks and sabotage to a big name outsider. They already notified her to stop talking to him, you didn't see how many chances they gave her.
The trust relationship was completely broken, you cannot employ someone you no longer trust to not turn their back on you when the opportunity strikes.

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>>74243981
INDOCHADS WE CANNOT STOP WINNING

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>>74280412
>She still made that money
>She also made double that money for charity
>She has sponsors, contacts, goodwill and is setting down to multiple times what indie do.
>All of that while never feeding drama.
Is such a nice thing sitting down and enjoy a good streamer while on the other side of ghe river the goalpost movers continue to slave only for their company to collect more Ls on their own.
>Inb4 some rando NijiJP “success” to which I will remember them 2 concerts from their top people thsre with Riku trying to boost them with his dickface only made a bigger dip.

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>>74244051
I love seeing this post because it just proves sisters are 3rd worlders who don't understand the difference between this and openly traded stocks

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>>74287730
The funniest shit is that throughout her entire time at Niji, she was effectively yabless. She never pissed off ANYONE outside of management for three whole years. The other niji organs can barely last 3 weeks without pissing off a fanbase

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>>74287839
Remember when nijisisters loved Selen?

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>>74287336
i'm surprised there's still 1k+ people following that creep

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>>74252978
>Show me the statistics for HoloEN on their report so we can compare it to NijiEN
This is how much comes from America in Cover's earnings.

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>>74250790
Now look I love Hololive but let's not act like some talents don't get more collabs with Celebs or companies than others.

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>>74278495
Hoping China pulls the trigger Anon?

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>>74278843
I'd invest my penis into Bae's stocks and take my dividends 9 months later.

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>>74244051
If cover goes below 1k i will put in 20k if i figure out how to buy over the counter shitcoins from Japan
Hololive basically has 2hu level of internet autist goodwill and they actually churn out plenty content

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>>74289959
there will always be some talents who are favored in all agencies imo, it's just that in Nijisanji's case it's in the extreme end

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>>74276972
>I can't understand their logic.
Whose logic? Managements? It's pretty simple. Typical asian "face" bullshit.
The company wasn't making things like 3d models and okaying big projects so selen stepped in and did it all, did it all better than they would have and did end up eventually doing, and in the process she showed management were utterly pathetic at their jobs on every single level.
Same for when she'd go hunting down game perms herself.
Selen made management look like the utter jokes they are. A cardinal sin.

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>>74289959
this isn't communism, nobody expects everyone to get exactly equal treatment, but there's a difference between what hololive does and what nijisanji does and you'll have to be bloody disingenous to suggest that hololive stiffs their talents the same way niji does

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>>74290836
>He thinks communism treats everyone equally
Oh to be naive.

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>>74276482
Retards not knowing anything about the economy is so funny to me. It's not a race. Cover has less shares. If they go down, that's bad because they'd get loss money from them and less investors want them. Cover entered the market only a year ago at the peak of their popularity. Anycolor has more shares so they can tank the hits better and it's more valuable to investors. They've also been in the market for nearly twice as long.
>Durr number higher than it was originally so muh company wins
It doesn't apply

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>>74289850
Cool. That doesn't show me the EN statistics on their report regarding CCV, watch time and especially revenue. A fait comparison is a fair comparison but it seems like Hololive is hiding their EN statistics. I wonder how much they fell

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>>74292177
this is possibly the third stupidest post I've read on this site. See you at the investor's meeting.

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>>74292177
>calls other people retards
>types out this load of nonsense

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>>74292260
Nijiniggers really do love to grasp at straws huh

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>>74292177
If your retardation can be converted into energy we'd be Type II civilization

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>>74292273
What are the first two?

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>>74243981

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>>74292260
least desperate nijinigger

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>>74284085
They're trapped behind enemy lines, soon they'll be routed, stay calm and keep BTFO'ing them

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>>74243981