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74182985 No.74182985 [Reply] [Original]

You build a new 3D studio and yet 9 months after debut your new gen still doesn't have 3D and they are getting their own models. Again.

Truly impressive, Yagoo. Bravo. Time is a flat circle.

>> No.74183064

>>74182985
At least it didn't take 36 months to have one live concert

>> No.74183082
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>>74183064
>live

>> No.74183186

What the hell does Anycolor have to do with this? Evreryone knows they are shit. Hololive is better and should do better.

>> No.74183256

>>74183186
>Hololive is better
stopped reading there, thanks for admitting it, sister

>> No.74183497

I wonder who had the shortest debut to 3D time. Probably holoX with 7 months?

>> No.74183751

>>74183497
v4mirai second gen 3~4months.

>> No.74183774

>>74183751
I'm talking within hololive.

>> No.74184045

>>74183774
Most JP gens have gotten 3D in 6-7 months, homos included

>> No.74184126

>>74183751
literally fucking who

>> No.74184134

a better question OP is why hololive has less impressive 2d models than 2view indies who debuted last year

>> No.74184274

>>74184045
I guess that's the home advantage. There's more preparation needed for overseas members.
>>74184134
2view indies have the luxury of waiting even a year for a high quality model.

>> No.74184323

>>74184134
Go make a thread about it, I don't give a fuck.

>> No.74184371

>>74184274
there is literally 0 excuse for every member of myth to have a shylily or veibei level model

>> No.74184577

>>74184371
They are looking for a more baseline quality for Live2D models, otherwise older members get shafted. They are slowly upping the quality of the older members models.

>> No.74186369

>>74184134
Because 2view indies need an expensive as fuck model to cover for their lack of personality, and entertainment talent.

>> No.74187018

>>74184134
Because most 2view indies rely solely on coomer appeal, meaning they have to turn the jiggle physics on their 3D up to 11 otherwise they will fall into the sea of literal who ENVYtubers

>> No.74187182

>>74182985
take your bait further. why do you all suck so much at this? regloss will have 3d before advent.

>> No.74187680

>>74187182
>bait
I am deadly serious. And regloss most certainly will not go first. lol

>> No.74188435

>>74184134
There's a difference between comissioning expensive model for individual and having to comission that for 50+ people.
It also doesn't help that Hololive are contractually obligated to use the same illustrator for each character. Those who actually made into Holo illustrator usually also popular artist so you have to also consider their schedule and availability as well. This is the reason why Irys has to switch artist, the original guy basically couldn't be arsed to do it because he was popular and busy.
You can't just commision some random twitter artist for an illustration even if their work is actually better.

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>>74188435
>This is the reason why Irys has to switch artist, the original guy basically couldn't be arsed to do it because he was popular and busy.
She didn't switch artists.

>> No.74188899

>>74188435
>Irys
>switch artist
Its still redjuice.
I presume the long time between Irys 1.0 and Irys 2.0 was the time they spent going back and forth with redjuice to produce a design that can actually be live2d'd and made into a 3D model on top of them having to work around redjuice's schedule.
There are a few design considerations to be considered for a design to be made into live2d effectively, Irys being redjuice's first vtuber design explains a lot of things behind the delays and all.

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>>74183186

>> No.74189074

>>74188829
Seriously? I didn't know that.
The design was so different that I assume that was the case.
But that actually proves the point that they are actually contractually obligated to use the same artist even with such drastic change.

>> No.74189312

this feels like a fake ass thread full of antis

>> No.74189483

>>74189312
>mildest of criticism
>antis
You sound like a retarded VShojofag.

>> No.74189645
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>>74189312
OP here. Sometimes it's good to remind ourselves that Cover is not perfect. No need to bring Nijis or some other petty shit to it.

>> No.74190022

>>74184134
Because the indies are independent, and have also access to good riggers and artists who undersell themselves just to have commissions. Meanwhile, Hololive has 80 something vtubers. If they update one, all of the others need to be updated, and that would cost millions. If new gens debut with more advanced models, they put the rest in a bad light, so they need to fit. But, the models also need to be universally appealing and practical, for when you make merch and figurines, while Indies can go crazy. They also need to take the 3D into consideration, and what they need to render in real-time especially when they have 5-10 talents in a stream.

>> No.74190733

>>74182985
The 3D debut is a special event, and you need to schedule at the best time, because it is more than a simple stream, is essentially a second debut, that can attract a lot of outsiders who just want to see the special event. For EN you also take into account stuff like VISA, their schedule and the sudio's schedule, because Cover didn't build that 3D schedule just for Hololive, but also as a way to diversify their business. They are renting it to others too - other vtuber agencies, game companies, etc. Anyone who needs a motion 3D studio. So it wouldn't make sense to make Advent fly to Japan only to record their 3D debut. Instead they will record it, when they go to Japan for more things. There are a bunch of events in the summer that will likely require for them to go to Japan, and that is the obvious perfect time for their 3D too.

>> No.74190820

>>74190022
This reminds me of the reason Romania, a country that is relatively poor compared to western EU, has better internet than them.
It's because they started building the internet infrastructure later than them, and they used fiber optics from the start.

>> No.74191153

>>74190733
Okay, great. It's been 9 months. Do it.

>> No.74191334

>>74191153
It's happening this summer, most likely. Why the rush?

>> No.74191373

>>74191153 (me)
In 9 months human animal can grow another human animal in her. and pop it out. Anime girl 3D is harder than that?

>> No.74191486

>>74191153
Homo gen2s first (rrats say sometime within the next month or two)

>> No.74191531

>>74191334
>Why the rush?
Because it is going so slowly that the girls are getting so frustrated again that they a getting their own 3D models done. It's like nothing changes from Myth to Council to Advent.

>> No.74191618

>>74191531
>girls are getting so frustrated
source?

>> No.74191765

>>74183497
~Six months has been the normal length of time for generations not fucked by Covid travel restrictions, and I'd imagine it'll go back to being the standard once the backlog is cleared out.

Given what we know about how much of a shitshow scheduling studio time can be they probably wanted to balance getting the backlog cleared out with other projects that need studio time like Holofes and 3D birthday lives, so they went with a pace of one generation per quarter. So we're getting Tempus VG soon (they've all been in Japan for a while now,) will probably get Advent this summer, have basically been already told that ReGLOSS is this fall, and then Armis in Q1 of next year.

>> No.74191862

>>74191765
That sounds about right.

>> No.74191996

>>74191334
currently 0 news for Advent going to Japan

>> No.74192103

>>74191765
Million dollar stock exchange tech company, by the way.

>> No.74192151

>>74191618
Getting chibi 3D models for VRChat collabs is just a tradition for EN at this point, it shouldn't be taken as a sign that the girls are getting frustrated with the wait. Even when the backlog is cleared and we're back to the normal six month gap between debut and 3D they'll probably keep doing it.

>> No.74192213

>>74182985
NijiGODs keep winning

>> No.74192352

>>74192151
Anon, it was a VRChat stream. Nobody was using their official model in VRChat.

>> No.74192381

>>74191765
ReGloss will likely get their 3D before Advnt due to everyone already being in Japan and it bing a much needed boost ro ReGloss' visability

>> No.74192380

they are on a queue, why do you think tempus 2 has been in japan for a while
>they should skip them
skip on giving a gen their 3D just because they are less relevant?

>> No.74192398

I honestly hope all of Advent gets their unofficial 3D models done before officials. Just to keep up the EN tradition.

>> No.74192502

>>74192380
Yes. Skip the faggots. It is that simple.

>> No.74192561

>>74191996
Ok anon, my dad works at Cover and told me Advent is not getting 3D this year.

>> No.74193168

>>74192380
>queue
the queue is only for homos pretty sure Regloss will have 3D before Advent

>> No.74193405

>>74192381
Didn't they say they wanted to hit all of the goals they talked about in their 6 month anniversary (most notably the 500k/2.5m subscriber one) by the end of August? They wouldn't say that if they were getting their 3D earlier than September.

It would also be weird for them to be so dedicated to respecting debut order that fucking Tempus gets their 3D before Advent and ReGLOSS and then have ReGLOSS jump the line over Advent anyway.

>> No.74193494

>>74192381
>>74193168
You keep babbling this... Because you feel like it?

>> No.74193572

>>74192213
Anon, you could start out as a vtuber now, get good enough at it to get accepted to Niji, debut there, get abused by management to the point of burning out, quit, apply to Hololive, get in, wait 6-12 months to debut, and still get your 3D before people who have been in Nijisanji for over a year.

>> No.74193770

>>74184126
I know you are pinoy, watching 'the biggest' tuber doesn't actually make you the cool guy in the thread.

>> No.74194139

>>74193494
i hope i'm wrong and Advent just dont tell anything for now

>> No.74194164

>>74182985
Should have been a homo with less than 100k subs after two years. Then you get your 3D 8 months after debut.

>> No.74194275

>>74192502
you say that now but you'll be screencapping their hot bodies and superchat results to use as nijisister bullying fodder for months to come. homo vs homo serves you to support the homostars.

>> No.74194655

>>74194275
Methinks you are projecting too much. Bit too specific and complicated there, schizo.
I am a simple man. Skip the fags. Let the girls do their thing. 99% of people watching Hololive Production will be happy.

>> No.74194792

What happening with kurosanji today..?

>> No.74195163

>>74194792
nothing? some advent fans just want 3d. seems okay thing imo

>> No.74195690

>>74190733
this, the 3D is wasted if you just blow your load and wheel it out right away just to have it because it's wasting a one-time thing and if rushed can turn out like >>74183082 or the early holostars 3Ds. it reflects poorly on the company to put out jank anyway.

for an indie or whatever (or vshojo I guess) they may not value or understand that it's something that can bring hype back to your name a year or two down the line and might just do 3D right away, vshojo's new girl literally debuted with a 3D. I guess that reflects either a short-term goal where they think this person won't even matter in a year and they want more money/attention now, or they didn't think that far out ahead. or nijiEN has a complex about 3Ds because they took longer than they should and favoritism about who gets them when also started to become evident and vshojo preys on that insecurity.

>> No.74195765

>>74194139
Well yeah, they're not going to talk about when they're getting 3D until the official announcement which will be shortly before the first 3D debut and probably well after it's obvious that it's coming soon because Advent have all been in Japan for weeks.

>> No.74196079

>>74184134
Cover (and AnyColor) stick to their inferior in-house software to continue larping as tech companies.
Also no real need to put in effort when mindless fans eat up whatever you put out.

>> No.74197823

>>74183082
lmao

>> No.74200141

>>74195163
so how much sub chuba need to get 3d advent fans think..?

>> No.74200338

>>74182985
I don’t understand what this thread is about
>advent still no 3d?
>temporary vr 3d models used?
>hololive is black company cause of this?

>> No.74200739

>>74188956
Yagoo is still rich as fuck, he's just better at the job of managing the company.(which is interesting bc cover kind of fell upwards into vtubing)

>> No.74201380

>>74182985
Cover is successful and lucky. They’re great at finding talent, and their competitors are shit tier… but Cover’s executive and management team are absolutely garbage tier.

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>>74183082
this shit is so bad i cant even

>> No.74205433

You'd think you'd realize by now that all of EN 3D's are pay walled behind Holofes, then debuts happen afterwards. Advent won't be an exception. The ideal goal is to have a new generation watching the Fes as the previous gen gets on the stage. The massive delay between Promise and Advent wasn't supposed to happen.

>> No.74205699

>>74205433
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPFWdc89uQQ

>> No.74206029

>>74196079
I mean it’s just gonna get more and more embarrassing as pothead zoomers hobbyists manage to create better stuff in between jerking off to their favorite lewdtubers

>> No.74207201

>>74183082
SOVL more SOVL than holoshit

>> No.74207353

>>74207201
>so much sovl that even jap nijinigs are making fun of it
kek

>> No.74207440

>>74183497
If I remember right, Laplus with like 5ish months in Holo.

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>>74183082
Holy, they should learn from industry leaders

>> No.74208854

>>74182985
they will get it sooner or later, it's not niji so unless they get their ass kicked out of the company you can take this time to prepare yourself to get enough money for either the live they show it first in or the merch they will release at that day, in the mean time you can have this
Regloss:
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91487
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91483
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91486
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91485
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91489
Advent:
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91311
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td91532
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td89815
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td89510
https://3d.nicovideo.jp/works/td89866
and before you ask, yes, random people on the internet will always be faster since they are not binded by contracts or are thinking how to get profits from the things they do out of love

>> No.74210165

>>74183064
and it was shit. and sisters consume shit like it's a fucking 5star cuisine

>> No.74210191

>>74183082
>Nijideflection
That's how you know Holofags got their ego bruised

>> No.74210326

>>74210191
Bruised? Like this? >>74183082
It's literally a bruise colored AR Live

>> No.74210337

>>74189074
They're not contractually obligated either. Vesper changed artists before he left and AZKi changed artists under mysterious circumstances

>> No.74210380

>>74188435
IRyS still has Redjuice. Kiara and Bae have had outfits made by other artists, and Mumei’s casual outfit was completed by Cover’s in-house artists based on Azure’s drafts.
>>74189074
The main issue with IRyS 2.0 taking so long was her old manager not actually communicating with Redjuice rather than his availability. A lot of times it’s more that the Hololive girls are attached to their artists and would prefer to have them even if they have to wait.

>> No.74210428

>>74208146
I wouldn't mind if this slenderwoman molest me in the woods.

>> No.74210576

>>74196079
>>74206029
They’re using 3rd party software for most indie models, which means the company that makes it is able to use those models for advertising, according to the licensing agreement. Cover and Anycolor use in-house software to prevent that.

>> No.74210659

>>74208146
now that I look at it again, why does this one look so much better than the original outfit? are the arms less skinny? is it the skin-tight suit that makes the other one look weird? were the proportions altered?

>> No.74210735

>>74210326
>Immediately proves the point

>> No.74211255

>>74182985
sorry anon homo comes first

>> No.74211389

>>74210337
Didn’t the OG designer literally pass away?

>> No.74212886

>>74208146
I'll never forgive holo for using the same body rig for the summer outfits and not giving us raw zeta and bae thighs.

>> No.74212943

>>74183082
And just like that OP hanged himself
Are you proud of yourself?

>> No.74213449

>>74210659
Because her original design's kinda ass and further pushes her into really bad Clamp proportions for one she doesn't get those really weirdly modeled tits in this one and doesn't get the weirdness around the neck area that even the 'stripped' version of her main 3D gets really janky looking .

>> No.74214059

>>74183082
I like how holoantis use nijisanji to deflect.
Whenever there is a post criticizing cover the immediate response is to deflect with niji so that people forget that cover isn't perfect and makes tons of mistakes that need to be fixed.

>> No.74214259

>>74183082
>Tomar, what would you do if your neck extended? Would you eat tree stars like in The Land Before Time?

>> No.74214345

>>74189074
>But that actually proves the point that they are actually contractually obligated to use the same artist even with such drastic change.
stop with the fanfiction holy FUCK
you fuckers know nothing about hololive and instead of trying to find out you just make shit up
vile creatures

>> No.74214381

weak bait. try harder.

>> No.74214426

>>74190733
>They are renting it to others too - other vtuber agencies, game companies, etc.
proof?
(like it's literally NOT A THING)

>> No.74214523

>>74192352
I actually wonder why cover doesn't rly let them use normal 3D models in vr chat (their reasons are probably more of japanese autism tho)

>> No.74214619

>>74214523
Are you seriously asking that question?

>> No.74215455

>>74214523
Can't you instantly copy anybody else's VRchat model with an in-game button? I feel like this could cause issues if they don't release it publicly first.

>> No.74217963

>>74183082
Petra didnt deserve that

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