NijiEN is still losing subs

[Anonymous No.]

>the ar live will mark a turning point
So that's a lie

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>>73894313
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIJISIS HOW DO WE COPE?

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>>73894313
It was a turning point.
A u-turn.

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>>73894313
ぺんどりゃあああああああ

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>>73894313
>So that's a lie
it was more of a cope than a lie

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>>73894313
good thing
>negligible lol riku

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>>73894313
It was seen as a positive event to those already drunk on the kool-aid, but everyone outside just keeps seeing yab after yab. They can't find enough fans to stay ahead of Youtube's culling.

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Can't wait for Finana and Millie to reach 500K subs, they worked so hard for this milestone.

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>>73894313
negligible

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>>73894313
nature is healing

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Holofags and deflection, name a better duo.

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Lets not forget the ITS TOTALLY BOTS GUY, well lookie here!
Cratering stock and blatant botting, 2 signs of impending death for a shitty company.

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The issue isn't so much that they're losing subs, it's that they haven't been gaining any after all those streams. With several 3Ds, the concert, Mario Kart Event, other shit I don't remember, almost none of them have gained subs and several of them I don't see ever getting their subs back. The Algo has fucked them and doesn't show them to anyway due to unsubs and dislikes. I don't think anything can turn the eventual death fall of EN at this point.

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>>73894313
AR live was not something that would cheer up NijiEN fans, but rather it would have made them give up on EN.
Imagine waiting for years for Oshi's stage performance to be low quality and full of trouble.
It's no surprise that some of them are disappointed and think, "Is this how serious Kurosanji is about EN?"

[Anonymous No.]

>but holo tho
nijiseethe

[Anonymous No.]

relax bros, the ccv and vod views are still good. no need to panic over losing subs, members not renewing and decreasing views are alot more scary.

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>>73894313
How many has Elira lost?

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>>73894868
As a Holochad I would like it to tank more so they learn their lesson, we are not bootlicker, if Cover did some retarded shit they should face the consequence.

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>>73896028
roughly 42k and still bleeding subs

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>>73896028

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>>73896242
Will she drop below 500k before the end of the year?

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>>73896176
Wow i did not know Enna had that many more subs than her

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>>73896389
Not at this rate no. Would need a new drama. Might slide another 10-20k if they don't start growing any.

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>>73896521
Nijisisters love cuck content

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>>73895007
The AR live actually does nothing for them except milk the existing fanbase since the free section VODs were immediately privated and screenshots were banned
So basically if you didn't already know it was happening all you got was tweets saying "SHU YAMINO'S PUSSY UEUEUEUEUEUE" which is either meaningless to or actively turning away people who aren't already fans

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>>73894313
A 360-degree turn is technically still a turn.

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>>73894313
Not fast enough.
The whole thing's gotta go

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I don't understand the point of NijiEN. Why open an English market if you're going to stream for China?
What's the point of mixed waves if you gachis hate homos and sisters don't care about niji girls?

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>>73894313
>the ar live will mark a turning point
It's the turning point because the graduation queue is unpaused

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>>73894390
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIJISIS HOW DO WE COPE?
I FINGERED MY ANUS FOR VOX BUT MADE A MESS, HOW DID YOU COPE GIRLS?

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>>73901126
Because to Japanese people, English = everywhere but Japan

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>>73901126
Short term mindset. Developing a foreign market takes time and effort. Dipping your beak back in the already-established market is a much shorter term.

It's like if there's a bunch of frogs breeding in a pond. One of the frogs is called "EN" and is sent away to take over a different pond. But that pond is more difficult. There's some predators, and more competing animals. So he just comes right back to the same pond, and finds success. Then people say "look how successful the EN frog is!", when he's really just splitting the pond with the other frogs instead of doing his job.

EN saw short term profits from China and Japan, and went chasing them. They didn't even consider that the entire purpose of their branch was supposed to be going into the EN market, which is what investors expect.

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>>73894313
Oof

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>>73894868
>thinking holocaust care about the stocks when even yagoo doesn't
Lol
Lmao even
Opening up trades was done just to fund the studio

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>>73894313
Ike was like 4k away from one million in Feb, btw

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>>73894868
The consequences of terrible buusiness decisions. ReGROSS , Armpiss, Tempiss, Homozontal , so on.

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>>73904229
cmon sister this is embarrassing

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>>73894390
It's just bot accounts that are getting removed. YouTube does this all the time. Relax things will return to normal soon enough. Do not pay attention to the doomers. Everything is going as planned. The concert was great if you bothered to watch it instead of looking at out of context screenshots.

Can't wait to see my Voxy Woxy come back to YouTube for his outfit reveal!!!

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>>73894313
a live is fanservice for existing fans not a reputation reviver. To revive their reputation they're going to have to pull some fucking magic because normal order of business is what caused all their problems in the first place. Vshojo isn't going to help prop them up and neither are any currently big indies. Beats the fuck out of me why kiara was risking her reputation for them

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>>73904808
>Voxy Woxy
i'm gonna be sick

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>>73904945
Tell that to ducky

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>>73901525
vox, you have very disgusting fans.

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>>73896242
She can recover from that. Just need some good streams and an outfit reveal to get some new blood in her fanbase.
>>73896389
No way. The bleeding is starting to stop actually if you look at trends.
>>73901126
To compete with Hololive. Niji has the resources and the talent to beat Hololive in the English market. They just need better managers. Unlike Hololive, they actually stream.

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>>73901126
NijiEN started out as Hololite, sharing an audience with HoloEN's main demographic. After Luxiem's success, the demographic shifted to Chinese fujos, who remain the majority to this day.

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>>73905086
>Maybe it was the length

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>>73905337
They don't have the talent and the stink of bullying allegations will never wash off. None of the females are their prime could even beat Kiara. Elira doesn't stream either. I'm not a holofag but you're absolutely delusional.

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>>73905337
>unlike hololive, they actually stream

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>>73905887
Lol

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>>73905337
Which is funny because every time they stream they seem to lose more subs

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>>73905086
>raw quality
its raw alright

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>>73905337
>get some new blood in her fanbase.
And if you actually manage to find new blood that hasn't already been informed of the nijisanji black company thing I commend you. Maybe she can try appealing to the sentinelese

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>>73907031
in Elira's case, the black screen stream will haunt her forever.

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>new blood
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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>>73907124
ok this got a lol

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>>73907297
Incidentally it's still up and the comments are still open
https://www.youtube.com/live/o65VwnQvWW4?si=IJHNMTdM4tGUIHmX

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>>73907302
it is possible but they need to stay out of drama for a long time. it's a long road to recovery.

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>>73907361
taking it out would be a mistake. it's better to leave it open as a reminder of never doing the same mistake ever again.

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>>73905337
niji has the resources but not the will or the market research.
holoen's for all its fuckups and awkwardness in the beginning seems to actually cater to the EN market and has actual native english speaking managers as go betweens.
Niji just pawns off everyone to pajeets and japanese managers who can't even speak english and calls it a day without any research into the market they want to expand to.

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>>73907374
Yeah, maybe they can pull the same strat brave group did and lay low for five years before redebuting with a completely new brand name and subsidiary. See you in 2029 I guess

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>>73907302
New blood for the bloodsuckers

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>>73904808
if its bot account why their ccv,sc are going down too?

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>>73907438
It'll be Streisand Effected anway unless there's an apology.

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Is it possible that Youtube is culling their subs? Getting rid of bots or dead subs due to people unsubscribing?

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>>73911319
very well, how would you do such "apology". you know very well that apologizing to the mob is pointless.

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>>73894313
It doesn't help that they just announced auditions again.
Instead of publicly showing that they're fixing the underlying issues they decided to get more meat for the meat grinder. Right now everyone is assuming that all this sudden dump of content is solely to prop up the company's revenue for Q4.

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>>73911442
NTA but they have to address the bullying accusations and dish out punishments accordingly.
This is literally all management's fault for even bringing up that possibility.

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>>73911442
Fuck off, it's bullshit like this that justifies retards into never accepting accountability. Apologies without actual change are meaningless and the talents and management are well aware which is why they're not doing anything

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>>73911442
>you know very well that apologizing to the mob is pointless.
What a self defeating and pointless philosophy to have

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>>73911985
as long as upper management remains unchanged, the problems will persist.

even if they were do "address" these things, the hate mob will never believe them because their beliefs are set.

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>>73904808
>bots
Yeah probably not that good to admit that

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>>73912289
what would YOU do then, agent of justice?

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>>73912411
Exactly, can't see what they can do when it appears the hate mob won't settle for anything unless the company is dead.

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>>73912513
then kill the company and start over like brave did.
It's rotten to the core. Burn it all down. You can't go back and undo the harassment that almost led to someone's death, but you can at least completely restructure if you seriously think you can. Otherwise, live with the consequences of your actions. Don't be a shitty company if you don't want people to find out about it and react accordingly.

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At least they were able to save Reimu before she died on the way back to her home planet.

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>>73904808
Gotta say it was good despite the production issues and lacking choreo issues for songs STILL not hololiveEN Good

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>>73911442
Correct. Words are meaningless unless proved or disputed by real action.

If there were ever an apology, the intentions behind it would need to be proven with action. Share it with the audience. Identify the points for supporting them, and then follow through. Share all that’s allowed: the long term plan, the steps being taken and the steps that have already been completed, etc. What are the goals? What are they trying to accomplish? Who’s working on it? How many staff members? What resources have been allocated to Nijisanji EN since Riku’s apology to try and improve the situation?

You’re right, apologizing isn’t enough to quell a mob. But detailed, well-intended explanations help a long way. The reason they won’t say anything is because making promises to the audience is a bad idea IF YOU DO NOT INTEND TO MAKE GOOD ON THOSE PROMISES.

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>>73894313
DO NOT REDEEM!!!

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>>73912498
Jesus christ you fucking niggers cannot be this fucking dense

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>>73912971
stop throwing around buzzwords and try to answer.

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>>73912498
I'd seize the Tazumi family wealth, for starters.

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>>73911442
...Finana?
I swear I've seen this conversation before.
>>70103590

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>>73912411
>the hate mob will never believe
>the sane mob
ftfy,only retards like you nijifag/sister that believe in a black company who literally never change since back then

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>>73905337
It really doesn't matter if you have lots of resources when you can't utilize it properly, Anycolor doesn't have that market research to actually stepin the EN Market for all the resources they have they won't go in for west but rather stay in their own comfortable markets, just see what their latest projects are for its clearly marketed for the asian markets, they don't even invest in hiring proper english managers for their EN branch lol.

For all the time that some holoEN talent's do not stream they're still bringing in profits via merchandising and collabs just an example was the sushiro and aquarium collab by Gura which was a Big Success, Streaming is not the only income of hololive nowadays since there already focusing on merchandising hence reason why we have gens like holoX and Advent which they can easily market

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>>73913035
HOW ARE THOSE BUZZWORDS
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A BUZZWORDS IS?

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>>73913165
don't you dare "fix" anything for me ever again.
only time will tell if they really want to change things.

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>>73913357
answer then.
answer.
no caps. just give a decent answer or is that too much for your brain?

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>>73912745
Some of their singers are legit. Pomu, Finana and Elira are all good, with Finana being a standout talent despite how people feel about her. Ditto for Enna and basically everyone in Ethyria except for Nina.
Obsydia has the weakest singers among the girls that I remember/give a shit about, the best of the 3 is probably Petra.

But the fucking choreography is like elementary school level in some style show.

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>>73913470
I would've killed to see what Selen's songs would've looked like. She knows she can't sing, but because of that she loves to make her karaokes into skits rather than raw music. I can imagine her picking some meme shit and dancing her heart out instead of focusing on the music.

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>>73907438
You say that like StalinSanji is capable of learning

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>>73913357
That anon obviously doesn't want to reach the conclusion for themselves and wants to externalize the issue on to others instead. That very refusal to take any action for themselves is why we're all in this mess anyways.

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>>73912289
Fire the braindead retards that failed at their jobs, made my company lose a lot of revenue, and created a PR disaster that will stain the company's image for a long time. You know, the obvious. Other companies do this all the time; why can't Niji?

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>>73912650
They shouldn’t have tbqh

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>>73913582
She's also a trained ballet dancer. So might have been more interesting than you think

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>>73901126
>Why open an English market if you're going to stream for China?
When NijiEN first started, it wasn't ever meant to appeal to any one country like China. It was just meant to be an expansion of the Nijisanji branch but for a more English (North American/European) viewerbase. Ethyria did try to push it by attracting more ESL fans (Flips for Millie, Russians for Nina, ect) but it wasn't until Luxiem that things really went off the end. It became full on Chinese pandering fullstop, to the point where Mysta made the Bilibili logo in their NijiEN server IIRC. If you're wondering where that fanbase came from, it came in around the time of Luxiem/Noctyx and it never really left.

>What's the point of mixed waves if you gachis hate homos and sisters don't care about niji girls?
The branch early on was basically Hololite. There was an expectation that guys and girls would collab early on, but the KR/ID male collabs were very inoffensive with dudes like Bobon and Suha, they never pushed shipping bait or anything of the sort, it just felt like friends and coworkers hanging out and nothing more than that. It felt like males and females would be able to peacefully coexist and collab without either audience getting mad. It wasn't until Luxiem/Noctyx/Iluna came into the picture that the atmosphere gradually changed very hard, the content slowly became trashier for some talents, and the fanbase became more full of shipfags.
I am sort of talking out my ass since I stopped paying attention to NijiEN around early 2023, but it really felt like there was a subtle shift in male and female interactions over time. Maybe it changed and its now back to the relaxed atmosphere it was early on, but how it was handled in 2022-2023 really became offputting. That's where you felt too much like an awkward third-wheel.

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>>73894313
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SISTERS DON'T LOOK
QUICK!! LET'S MAKE MORE VCR THREADS!!
STOP NOTICING!!!!! LOOK!!! THEY ARE TALKING WITH E-CELEBS

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>>73913417
It's like I'm talking to a retarded SEA brick wall. EIther its that or you don't believe anyone in Niji did anything wrong which is why you're always referring to them as a mob and you don't care about creating good will, you want everything to go business as usual without criticism of your precious brand.
>>73913661
Literal bugmen

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>>73913772
Because they run JP in a similar manner.
If EN gets "preferential treatment" the influential JP livers will flip their shit just like how they got mad that Salome was insanely popular early on.
The top 10 or so JP livers basically hold Riku by the balls if they band together.

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>>73913988
i'm not nearly as racist as you are but i'll answer: i'm aware that the company did a lot of wrong (no company is a saint anyways). there will be criticism regardless of the outcome.
would i want them to improve? of course.

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>>73904808
>Niji is popular, there are no bots!
>It's all bot accounts, they don't matter!

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>>73905337
>Niji has the resources and the talent to beat Hololive in the English market
The only thing your organs managed to do was attract the kpop stans and ruin the vtuber community

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>>73905337
>Niji has the resources and the talent to beat Hololive in the English market.

They have a billionaire trust fund baby who can't wait to move on to the next pump-and-dump scheme. Hololive has full mocap studios and a management team that doesn't spend all day smoking crack and trading NFTs instead of doing their actual fucking jobs. My money's on the latter.

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>>73894313
>clique whores have the biggest drop
Maybe nijinogs aren't completely hopeless.

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>>73916509
Don't forget, the one communal ku100 lol

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>>73904059
>Ike tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter

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>73894868
This post is so retarded it has to be a false flag

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>>73904808
>reddit spacing
>Voxy Woxy
kys you pagpag eating falseflagging retard

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>>73894868
Cover has yet to go below their entree point. How much lower is Anycolor below their by now?

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>>73894313
EN Vtubing is dead

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>>73894313
Despite all the trend spam and echo chamber cope they're still nose diving, the entire branch couldn't even match Gura’s CCV is it safe to say NijiEN is officially dead?

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>>73923334
Haven't you read this thread? NijiGODS said they just need a better manager, that's it. That's the weapon to counter HOLOLIVE ENGLISH. Maybe some ex-KPOP managers?? Like Lisa from blackpink or something?

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>>73894313
How do we save Enna and Elira?
Also wtf did Reimu even do?

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>>73904059
His self-immolation is the most baffling to me. The fuck did they have on him?

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>>73894313
Anyone got the sub count before the black screen video? How big were the girls in particular? Rosemi had well over 500k.

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>>73911442
Apologise and terminate elira, shu, vox, ike, luca, finana, petra, enna, millie, and rosemi under the grounds of having investigated them and found evidence of bullying and promise to do better next time
That's literally the only way to move forward since everyone knows that those talents are the cancer rotting nijisanji, once they are gone for the right reasons you can rebuild again

[Anonymous No.]

dookibird is fucked anyway, it literally doesn't matter anymore

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>>73901126
Because it didn't originally market to China nor was that the intent until China found Luxiem and thus the direction changed.

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>>73894313
HOLOFAGS WITH THEIR UNSUB BOTS

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>>73894313
So what? Subs can be easily botted. It's ccv that's the real metric

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>>73894313
Holofags did this to drag on their decline. The thing is, no one cares. It will all be forgotten in a month or two.

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Why are sisters so defensive about the AR live ? I remember hololive fans shitting on the cameraman for Connect the world, and it was not even that bad.

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>>73894313
You know no one cares outside of /vt/ right?

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>>73894313
So what? It's doesn't affect the liver at all.

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>>73925431
Sure, except that the organs are terminally /here/, so...

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>>73925409
Nijisisters are fans of the company. Holofans are actual fans of the Holos.

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>>73894868
this is what happens when you dont cuck your talents in favor of investors. yagoon should learn a thing or two from master riku

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>>73912650
this needs to be reversed for comedic effects

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>>73912650
>>73925675 (me)
did it myself, results are even better than expected

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>>73925876
kek

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>>73894313
I wonder if the fear that they'll be viewed as enabling Selen's harassment is what's causing them to stay

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>>73905337
>She can recover from that. Just need some good streams and an outfit reveal to get some new blood in her fanbase.
She has a better chance by going indie and (rightfully or not) throwing Anycolor under the biggest freight train she can legally muster.