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Why did Project: HOPE fail? What can Cover learn from this?

>> No.73107756
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>>73107654
She should have been project: SEX instead

>> No.73107854

>>73107654
to not do weird shit and let them debut as normal holos but they didn't learn and did it again with regloss

>> No.73107886

Don’t have ESLs write English songs all willy nilly. It’d probably help to not half-ass the effort put into the project, but Omega was infamous for giving zero fucks about the girls and bending over backwards for ZA BOOOOOOIZ. What a shitshow the project manager(s) put IWyS through.

>> No.73107916

>>73107654
the music was meh and she was too brown

>> No.73108046

>>73107886
You can't blame everything on the homos, even before they debuted she failed to distinguish herself as a seperate branch instead prefering to latch onto Council.

>> No.73108066

>>73107654
>Why did Project: HOPE fail?
I don't think it was IRyS that release flopmera, kek.

>> No.73108175

>>73108046
I’m blaming Omega. What else you draw from that is your own conclusion; he had an agenda and that’s that.

>> No.73108191

Didn't she already say why in a zatsu? It was just poor management of project hope, no?

>> No.73108437

>>73107654
HOPE wasn't much more than an experiment to see just how little support they can provide to have successful talent.

>> No.73108508

>>73108437
Did they succeed?

>> No.73108511

>>73107654
not profitable enough, thats really just it

>> No.73108580

>>73108508
Not to the extent they wanted. A cuter, whiter oshi would have proved far more successful.

>> No.73108632

>>73108580
>>

>> No.73108684

>>73107654
don't let mori run things.

>> No.73108686

>>73107654
>What can Cover learn from this
>Push out another stupid potentially failing project that is REGLOSS, and now they're asking to sub them to get their own 3D
Cover never learns.

>> No.73108739

>>73107654
Caesura of Despair
******************************************************
Composer:
buzzG

Arranger:
Coch

Director:
Satoru Ohno (THINKR)

Animation Director:
Naoki Matsuura
Character Design & Animation Supervisor:
Yumi Nakamura
Art Director:
sachiko15

Composite Director:
Takuya Yokoyama

Key Animators:
Satomi Miyazaki
Yu Fukuoka
Yuuri Ichinose
mokoppe
Tsumiki Katsurada
Jing Pan
Mitsumi Nakayama
Kazuto Wakayama
Ryota Azuma
Akira Ono (Studio L)
Aaron Formilleza(Eallin Japan)

Inbetweeners:
Studio Elle
chiptune

Inbetween Checkers:
Katou Masahisa
Color Design:
Aya Aburaki
Koi Irie

Color Paint:
Studio L
Hiroshi Moriwaki
Mika Kinoshita
Chiaki Numata
Ayaka Sugita
Suzuka Chiba
Yuka Watanabe
Masaaki Nishimoto
Kaho Nakano
Misuzu Teduka
Momoka Saeki
Yukie Oonishi
Keito Tachikawa
Yuto Kuwahara
Naoki Nakajima
Yukie Imamura
Ryoko Fujisawa

Color Painter Checker:
Koi Irie

Background CG Artists:
pH studio
Jorge Adorni
Lina Lundstedt
Koichiro Katsuki
Sachiko Kondo

Composite:
Yuuki Kawase

Graphic Design:
Yuko Matsuura

Production Managers:
Fumiya Kudo
Masayuki Egami (Studio L)
Nonie (Eallin Japan)

Animation Producer:
Takuya Sakamoto (LIBERTY ANIMATION STUDIO INC.)

MV Producers:
Taroh Torii (TREAT Co.)
Taketeru Sunamori (Analogue Rogue)

Producer:
Omegaα

失礼しますが、RIP
Rap/Lyrics/Movie: Calliope Mori (me!)
Song track・Mix by: kokorobeats a.k.a K’s/Coro

>> No.73108824

>>73108739
>Producer:
>Omegaα
his debut was more important than hers anyways

>> No.73108833

>>73108824
KEK

>> No.73108885
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>>73107756
This.

>> No.73108919
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>>73107756
Yeah, with me

>> No.73108958

anything cover initiated is doomed to fail. Let the girls make their own content and just back it up financially.

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If IRyS could have made it on her own she would have.
Just letting her go so long without help...what did you expect. Help her or be happy with what IRyS does on her own.

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>>73107756
agreed

>> No.73109755

>>73107654
>Why did Project: HOPE fail?
Omega

>> No.73109781

>>73108046
You can blame the homos, Omega 100% focused on them instead of the girls. When Irys merged into Promise she mentioned no one was in charge of Project Hope. Omega abandoned it. It take firing of Omegatranny, A-Chan taking temporary charge and hring Jap to stop homostars leeching and get EN3.

>> No.73109803

>>73108958
this. its been proven time and time again yet cover still pulls out dead end projects out of their ass. just let the girls (competent ones) handle making something for once.

>> No.73109867

>>73107654
her fans didn't listen enough to her EPs and buy albums

>> No.73109904
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Every time you seethe she grows 1 nm

>> No.73109942

>>73107654
No one wants idolshit. Idolshit is instant failure. Yet they didn't learn that because they pushed regloss.

>> No.73109989

Probably some mix of the clique, Omega, the homos, what else is there? Froot? Kiara? We don't blame Enma for everything anymore right?

>> No.73110195

>>73107654
20 original songs and not a single one is a hit

>> No.73110209

>>73107654
Omega should be in NijiEN instead.

>> No.73110318

>>73108437
Probably the best explanation in this whole thread.

>> No.73110359

>>73107654
ESL songs.
Also, terrible release strategy, where IRyS herself often had no idea when a song would release or when the MV would be up.. The MV, when it arrived, was often some basic ass ms-paint amateur shit.

>> No.73110535

>>73110359
I remember one time where they decide to randomly upload her new song during Myth's first ever off collab where almost all EN viewers were distracted. You couldn't have chosen a worse time.

>> No.73111427

>>73107654
Cover hired an average girl and tried to push her as a singer, and then gave her nothing but mediocre songs to sing. IRyS is pure corpo slop, plain and simple.

>> No.73111716

IRyS last stream was gushing about her new female manager alot. so im happy shes finally being treated like an actual person in the company. IRyS love

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>>73110359
The classic

>> No.73111880

>>73111716
That female manager? Me (I'm male and have a huge dick).

>> No.73112404

Not to overwork one their talents voice, making her record 5 songs in 2 weeks without any rest, causing her to start having problems with nodules in her throat , almost making her lose her voice and causing irreparable damage to her throat (everytime she gets sick she says that she starts coughing blood and that she has to go to the hospital for multiple checkups) could have ruined a person's life. Most people working at project hope were only decent at working for song production and that shit, but they never cared about their singer's health. And only song production, because their marketing was horrible too, they literally made her release multiple songs without and MV (one example is One step at a time having more views in the youtube music Auto-generated video by YT), and the MVs were bad. In some way how they're managing Regloss I guess is how they should do it, no more INNK or vsinger projects, just focus on streamers that release more music and that's it

>> No.73112408

>>73111716
poor Manager, getting sexually harasser by IRyS
it should had been me

>> No.73112597

>>73112404
>everytime she gets sick she says that she starts coughing blood and that she has to go to the hospital for multiple checkups
Imagine being so gullible that you believe that shit.

>> No.73114757

>>73108175
Most coherent and specefic omega rrat

>> No.73115238

>>73109942
>no one wants idolshit
>hololive is an idol vtubing company
retard-kun?????????

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>>73107654
it was overseen by this

>> No.73116956

>>73115238
nta, but there is some truth to this schizo's post. Idol focused talents will succeed in the very small and insular weeb communities in the West, but will always fail to capture any audience outside of that. Hololive does well in these insular communities, but are either absolute unknowns or looked down on by the greater western audience because of their conception of "anime women being infantilized or = bad", so Hololive is forever stuck with this community until this pre-conception is removed. And before you say
>ogey nijisis/phasecuck/ whatever ad hominem you'll put
This applies to NijiEN even more as they had the added super negative pr that spread to a lot of popular streamers/ dramatubers/ others outside of the community, and absolutely tanked their reputation. Meanwhile the other corpos and indies are literal whos. who will never be relevant to any conversation.

>> No.73117508

>>73107654
Why does this thread exist? We were explicitly told why it failed. This isn't some mystery.

>> No.73117671

>>73114757
Can you prove it's a lie?

>> No.73117709

>>73115356
What we're they even thinking with this thing?

>> No.73117795

>>73117671
Anon, I'll be honest.
I don't even know what the hell I am supposed to disprove here.

>> No.73118102

>>73117508
Because discussing a solved mystery is a better thread than the 50 Skub vs Anti-Skub threads we have daily.

Also IRyS sexo

>> No.73118714

>>73107654
>>73116956
Almost. The issue is less anime woman being infantalised and more the content at this point though. Plenty of artists pull on or talk up anime now. The aesthetic itself shouldn't be a major hurdle.

The problem, and most people on /vt/ dont get this because they aren't (engaged) music consumers, is that there was no market for project HOPE. Conceptually it was too sincere and overwrought when all artists are self-aware or ironic. Musically the Caesura of Despair sounded like a mix of the Scissor Sisters (so 20 years out of date) and mid quality 2010s radio pop and most of the lyrics were in Japanese, creating a lingual barrier with its primary market (note breakthrough kpop like bts use English only/English first lyrics to get ahead).

So what they were releasing was just outright irrelevant. And vtuber fans don't care either way because they will stream their oshi's song anyway. Though it's a much smaller market.

Like, it just felt flat out oblivious of Western market trends and, honestly, reflective of why so many Jpop acts also failed to break through in the 2000s; ignorance.

>>73112404
Two weeks is more than enough time for five songs. You can do an album in that time.

>> No.73120565

i don't think the western market is ready for virtual music artist and performances

>> No.73121262

>>73107654
They hired a vsinger that can't sing for shit

>> No.73121400

>>73107654
Retarded manager and too much time wasted to change her model.

>> No.73121890

>>73107654
At least we got Irys out if it. If she didn't stream and only released music she would have failed. Her song releases were thoroughly mismanaged but I do like some of them at least.

>> No.73122338

>>73121400
It took that long because her old manager ghosted her for weeks or a full month at a time. There's incompetence but then there's outright malicious practices, he was trying to get her to graduate in the same way Japanese businesses never fire anyone they just give them menial tasks in a corner somewhere until they quit themselves.

Thank God she has a cute real manager now. She was talking about her last night, she was shocked that managers actually have meetings with their talents at least once a week, and offer them helpful suggestions, on top of helping her reach out to other people like a new vocal coach.

>> No.73122630

>>73122338
She's so fucking stupid for the oldest EN

>> No.73122988

>>73115238
>Muh idol company meme
Concession
Accepted

>> No.73123222

>>73107654
I still miss that derpy face...

>> No.73123227

>>73108686
>BABY:WAAAAAAAAAH DON'T DO ONE GIRL SOLO THAT'S DUMB IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE FIVE
>COVER:OK here's five (ReGLOSS)
>BABY:NOOT LIKE THAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
they do you're just impossible to please

>> No.73124117

>>73123227
Or it could be possible that the "schizo" was right

>> No.73125498

>>73122630
That's the dogs, or Ina and Kiara.

>> No.73125581

>>73107654
Lesson learned: Don't hire troons as project managers

>> No.73126254

>>73107654
do you think shes into BBC?

>> No.73126559

Why did the singer from the english branch release most of her music in japanese? Most of the English music released with ESL lyrics

>> No.73126707

>>73126254
No, that’s Enna

>> No.73126766

>>73108824
What's that cocksucker up to nowadays?

>> No.73126799

>>73126707
The literal Queen of spades

>> No.73126877

>>73126707
Bummer.. i dont like enna so ill just go somewhere else

>> No.73130463

>>73107654

>> No.73132223

>>73107654
Putting resources in a dedicated singer gen is retarded, because these girls can do more than just sing
It's like video game fishing
>fishing minigame good
>dedicated fishing game bad and boring

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