How do you guys stay sane?

[Anonymous No.]

Anons, I've been in the Chuubahole since Kizuna Ai and HoloJP being the only Hololive era. As years have gone by, I've found myself more attached to VT than I was years ago. It starts to depress me when I think about how I probably have a better chance to win the lottery than I do of somehow meeting and being together with any of the girls I enjoy watching.

How do you guys handle this? Genuinely asking. It's insanely frustrating how hard it is to find biological women that are into nerd hobbies. These days most "girls" in the nerd space are trooners who would not even fool a blind man that they were a "woman"

There's so many of these girls online in the Vtuber world, but none of those girls are types that we are likely to encounter, much less be in a relationship with.

So yeah, do you pretend they're your actual girlfriend? If so, how do you handle the part of you that knows you're lying to yourself and feels pathetic? Do you imagine them as tulpas? At this point I feel like I'm in too deep. I enjoy Chuubas until they talk about their past sexual encounters, or the thought of them with others comes up. And then when I'm driving down the highway I think to myself "wow dude my life is pathetic lmao"

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I just love IRyS, simple as

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>>72995523
Idk man, I can love any VT as much as I want to but it doesn't comfort me at night when I'm alone or seeing friends getting married.

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I simply don't think about it too deeply. I enjoy watching my oshi and as far as I can tell she enjoys interacting with us. Not every type of relationship has to have a label, so I don't have to pretend she's my girlfriend or whatever. I simply enjoy what she does, and that's all there is to it.
>I enjoy Chuubas until they talk about their past sexual encounters
sounds like you're watching the wrong ones, stay away from vshojo kek

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Vtubers Owe You Sex

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>>72995409
If you're dead set on being with a girl who is into vtubers or is a vtuber herself, first ask yourself if you're the type of person who a girl like that would find attractive and want to be with. If yes, then seek them out and try to form a relationship with one. If not, then try to become that guy. But in my opinion it's better to separate vtubers as purely entertainment, think of them as cartoon characters instead of real people who you'd want to be in a relationship with. Truth is it's a pretty niche hobby in the grand scheme of things. It's easy to fixate on them and get obsessed because it doesn't require any effort on your own part. But think about 5, 10, 20 years down the road if you don't actually put the effort into attracting a real girl.

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The same you delude yourself into thinking she's your virgin Christian gf waiting for you, but in the opposite direction.
Start by maybe coping that you don't like vtubers for their parasocial aspects and appreciate simple chat interactions. Then wean off of streams and cope that they're just good entertainers.
Then cope and say life gets in the way. You might need to get hobbies, friends, a job, an actual personality or something to replace the vtuber-shaped hole left inside you.
Finally regain some normalcy by reclaiming your true, pure 2D waifu that is everything you could ever want without 3DPD, or get a real 3DPD you can stick your dick into.

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its easy when you know your oshi isnt real

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>>72997328
I've dated girls before, had relationships that were fairly serious, but never lasted more than a year. At this point since leaving college, it's much harder to meet people as a wagie. People say "go to conventions" "go to places you'd find girls you share interests with"

Most of these places are predictably male dominated, with the handful of "women" being trooners who look laughably embarrassing. Then there's the actual women who are into nerdy shit, that are gay.

The actual biological women that fit this criteria and are 6/10 or higher are always taken.

>>72997182
It's not Vshojo in this case though. I was watching Yae Yugiri from V4Mirai last night and as a batsu she confessed that she used koebun, and basically phone sex'd with JP randos.

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>It's insanely frustrating how hard it is to find biological women that are into nerd hobbies.

Then you need to find a normal girl who likes you enough to be willing to jump into the rabbit hole as well

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>>72995409
Detachment.
For me I kept getting blocked by my mind from attaching too deeply even when I was feeling inspired with the connect the world song there was just that gut feeling that it doesn't fit with reality, So I thought about it and 'They are humans at the end of the day, They'll never get out of the restrictions of life so sooner than later all of them would have relationships and life outside of vtubing and all the support they got from their fans would be used for their own family' it was never gonna be something that last long term even now with the cracks starting to appear as the years goes longer. So with that I just coasted along without involving myself deeply.
>Dedicating and giving parts of your life to support others that you aren't ultimately close with is a messy thing, giving support and improving their lives that they become incomparable to your own lowly life, it's the parasocial aspect people keep telling about, a one sided relationship where you are at the end of the day getting taken advantage of to support someone living their best life. You'll see the adverse reactions of this whenever they get insulted or demeaned by the very same oshi/vtuber they supported.

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>>72998383
What you described is why I rarely watch Holo girls anymore. As far as HoloEN goes, it's obvious that the girls are invested and committed until between their 1st and 2nd anni's. Then they severely drop off the amount of screentime they give. HoloAdvent for now is still going strong, but probably come this time next year, we'll start to see them streaming way less frequently, since they are now fairly established off of their income, and able to live more enjoyable lives offline.

It's the VTubers with corpos that have <100 viewers or small enough communities where the girls interact with almost every chat message. In these places, it feels less like "I'm 1 of 10000" and almost more like a chatroom with a handful of people.

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>>72995409
Do you really see yourself as someone who would be attractive to the type of woman you're into?Why/Why not?
How would your life be more fulfilled if you had a girlfriend? What hole would that fill? Are you willing to put up with their bullshit? How much? What are you red lines? What will you not tolerate, or suffer through to make her happy?
What value would a woman offer you? What would you offer them?
What is so lacking from your own life that you need a girlfriend specifically to add that thing? Are friends not enough? Do you have any friends?
Do you have money?
Do the things you want to do, become a complete and happy person and get financially well. Set goals for yourself, and just interact with people along the way. If you are confident, financially stable, and passionate about a few things you will eventually find friends, and some of them will be female. A few of them might become interested in you, if you're interesting.

The problem is you. Fix yourself first, instead of fabricating tulpas out of chuubas. I speak from experience. You can do it, I did it.

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>>72998266
As a shut-in introvert it's hard to put myself in situations to meet new people willingly. It's so much harder as a wagie than it was back in school. Especially working in a field that's basically the opposite Male:Female ratio that Nursing has. You don't organically cross paths with many women to begin with. When you finish work, you just want to go home and play games with the bois/watch a stream or something.

It's frustrating being in the middle of "don't chase women, just be yourself" and "qt's aren't just going to knock on your door and ask you out"

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>>72998259
I think maybe you're looking in the wrong place. Like you said, conventions are gonna be male dominated, any girls there are either just as pathetic as the men, or gay, or they're the cream of the crop who are already taken. Odds of finding someone there with so many other guys around is slim to none. Meeting people in person is hard in general as an adult, this is why dating apps are so popular, so maybe try those. They can be harsh, but that's just reality.

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>>72995409
>>72995523
>Fauna
>IRyS
yeah there's no hope for you if you love them too much, enjoy taking the 2nd hand single moms in the future tho

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>>72999780
Dating apps are miserable since again it's the same issue of male oversaturation, so the women have all the power. I've tried just about any I can think of. Even spent some money on them to see if it would actually meaningfully make a difference (it did not)

>>72999094
You ask good questions, some I have answers to while others I would have to think upon. Fortunately I have experience with relationships, it's just been several years at this point. I think I could be a good boyfriend. I have a lot of love to give someone who cares about me. Part of me feels the need to be in a relationship because people around me are getting married, I'm getting older everyday, and don't even meet people. I understand your thought process, it feels a bit daunting to "make myself the best I can be" before I have someone to do those things for. I get that I'm doing those things for ME, but I fear that if I became a gymbro with a sculpted body, decent income, etc. that I'd feel entitled and shallow myself.

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>>72998848
Yeah they've gotten too big, it's also the way they treat their fans is what gets me afterwards, talking about parties, high end cuisines(irl stuff) on stream and multiple breaks that they don't even start caring anymore about streaming or doing things. Gura is an example even if she has terminal illness or pregnant rl, when she began doing multiple hiatuses it goes to show how little they cared to begin with(I treat her as a mascot btw looking at her past streams and clips it's entertaining, can see why she has many fans left).
> Err even watching and supporting smaller streamers would give the same feeling as it goes longer

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>>73000281
Silence, Phasefag

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>>72999094
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>>73000483
call me names surely that will help
I am guessing nijisister next?

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>>73000281
shouldn't you be more worried about your mother and sister whoring themselves out to tourists?

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>>72995409
Why is it so important for people to have gf/bf/so? If you can't find a person who loves & respects you, then you're better off just staying single. Find some friends online or offline you share literally any interests with so you don't feel too lonely (helps if you have interests beyond just vtubers).

That being said, there's a difference between maintaining self-respect/not lowering your standards and being a snobby asshole who doesn't respect others' interests. If you can't bring yourself to even meet someone halfway and at least pretend to be interested in their stuff, you're probably self-centered and your personality is probably the reason you're all alone.

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>>73000457
As much as I want to hate on Gura for how she treats her fans, she really has no reason to do any different
>gone for 6 months
>come back and showered in $$
>"guys I wanna do better for you" giving the impression she wants to be more present
>leaves for another 8 months
>come back and showered in $$
She literally has no reason to do anything different. I can't pretend I would do otherwise if I could work for maybe 3 weeks in the whole year and have enough money to do whatever I wanted.

I think many people in Vtubing do want to entertain and connect with their audience, but over time as their brand builds up, and fatigue/burnout sets in, it becomes easier to dial back the energy you put in, especially because unless you have a yab on twitter, your popularity only increases over time.

>watching and supporting smaller streamers would give the same feeling as it goes longer

Oh it does. The comfy chuubas who once read nearly all my messages now have like 40 simps active in chat at all times and chat never stops moving. At that point I just treat them as 2nd monitor content since I won't get to participate in the stream anymore

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>>73000331
I wouldn't worry about shallowness. In fact working on your physique and finances shows the opposite in my opinion. It shows dedication and persistence, both good qualities to have, and women will find that attractive. If you even spend one year training continuously at the gym, you'll probably be fitter than 90% of the people around you(assuming you live in america) As for motivation, just ask yourself what the alternative is. You either make progress or you stagnate. It's kind of a no brainer.

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>>72995409
>>73001040 (me)
Also, you don't have to find trans women attractive but if you call them "trooners" outside of here you will 100% die alone unless you're into brainless tradwife or bitchy TERFY type pussy. Because literally nobody else irl wants to hang around someone that butthurt over trans kids.

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>>73001040
>That being said, there's a difference between maintaining self-respect/not lowering your standards and being a snobby asshole who doesn't respect others' interests. If you can't bring yourself to even meet someone halfway and at least pretend to be interested in their stuff, you're probably self-centered and your personality is probably the reason you're all alone.
Based

>If you can't find a person who loves & respects you, then you're better off just staying single.
Easy to say until your whole body screams for you to reproduce because that's how we are wired in our DNA.

Vtubers is a coping mechanism, whether you like it or not, 1 click away from a computer then BAM, you have an emotional companion. From what I've seen, Nerds and Weaboos likes to do things the easiest way because it gives the same pleasure for the less amount of time not thinking of the consequences it may bring in the future.

1st step: stop jerking off to anime, make sure you are only attracted to 3dpd before taking another step on improving

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>>72998848
>>73000457
This isn't always the case, some holos do still make an effort to stream/interact with their fans and show appreciation for them
I do agree that holo being so big means that there isn't really a sense of community within their fanbases as a whole. If that's what you're looking for smaller chuubas are definitely the way to go
I also think it's worth remembering that as idols they have to project an idealised version of themselves and can't really show us what's going on behind the scenes in their personal lives. Not every break is due to pure laziness and as >>73001187 said burnout does tend to happen with a lot of them. If you feel that they aren't respecting you as a fan then just move on, that's the name of the game.

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>>72995409
I have sex with A LOT of escorts.

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>>73000457
What happens when you supported the small streamers and had lots of fun and they get picked up by the big corpo? Do you just say 'woops, lost cause' and move on?
At the end of the day, all this shit is just a fun little fantasy. A little bit of cute nonsense that makes me smile, but that I would never give up irl time with friends and family for (unless I'm just currently socially burnt out). They make me smile, they give me feelings of wanting to protect, and I don't have to deal with a real relationship with ups and downs.

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>>72999231

To put it as bluntly as possible, being a shut-in introvert is the root of the problem.

As it turns out, women or rather, people in general, won't meet up with people who refuse to be found.

>>72999094 puts it more verbosely then I could ever manage, but ultimately if this mid-life crisis of sorts is causing you genuine grief then perhaps a chat with a gp/counsellor would be wise.

Regardless though, this is veering wildly into #adv territory and other posters have answered the bulk of your op so I'll leave it at that.

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>>73001040
I want the companionship of that kind of relationship, feeling that closeness to someone. Also many people in my life are in relationships, and/or getting married. It feels like "I'm falling behind." Feels like there's pressure on young people to "get married NOW! Your life is a failure if you're not in a relationship" And it's propagated even by people in the demographic too.

Also if you care about someone, you are obviously going to want to show interest in their interests. I've always loved video games, so having a gf that understands that and maybe plays games with me would be great. I did have a gamer gf at one point. I fucked everything up. No point kicking myself about it at this point though.

Also, I'm annoyed at the amount of trans women (where the hell are all the trans men???? Why is it always trans women???) because in the nerd space (anime, gaming, card games, etc.) You'd swear they were 30% of the population. And let's not forget that Twitterfags inherently virtue signal and ruin everything they touch. There were so many LGTV's crying about how Rin Penrose (somewhat regarded as an Asexual symbol Vtuber) was associated with Idol Corp, a company based out of Israel.

They are an easy scapegoat for me, I will admit this. I have met trans people that are agreeable and have a good sense of humor. I do appreciate the actual advice, have to say it's more than I expected bringing this /here/

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>>72999094
Dudebro advice. It's missing go to the gym bro, lift, cleam your room and eat meat.

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>>72995409
Watch sports. The chuubas are my way to decompress from sportsball autism.

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>>73001454
If purely getting laid is the only requirement, bruh, that's not really that difficult. People way uglier/dumber/poorer than us get laid all the time.

https://youtu.be/ew-fcz098QY?si=KEl5t0I2ReCNq8V4

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>>73002230
I mean you should be doing that anyway. Lifting has nothing to do with improving mental health.

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>>73001454
>>73002297
https://youtu.be/BXpblrM4zac?si=Jk_iJneroMxQGW5B
If Boogie9928 can fuck women anyone can.

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>>73002163
There's so many trans women for a wide number of reasons. Masculinity being vilified for decades, social media use, sexual fetish and of course actual legitimate gender dysphoria.
Add in there school getting optimized for girls, boys being taught the only appropriate emotion is anger (bullied? get angry. frustrated? get angry. sad? get angry. Anything else and you're a pussy) but then rug pulled as an adult when you realize that anger isn't acceptable in the real world, like at your job or in social settings.
Sad to think some men will try to turn themself into a woman just so they can properly express emotion or receive love. Or alternatively, kill themself.

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>>73002466
i don't think boogie is the best example you could have used, dude's loaded as fuck. if i had as much money as he does i'd also have a line of gold diggers queuing up to tolerate sex with me in return for free shit

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>>73001717
Didn't watch smaller streamers, was firstly attracted to vtubing by the kayfabe and lore(no matter how it's despised)

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>>73002163
From what I've seen, trans men (female to male) tend to pass as men much better than trans women (male to female) pass as women. In fact a lot of trans men that I've seen look more masculine than cis men. It's a weird phenomenon. As for why there are so many trans women interested in anime, video games, and vtubers, probably for the same reasons regular men are interested in them.

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>>72995409
Nice Reddit spacing

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>>73002163
Are you sure it isn't just FOMO? I recently moved out entirely on my own for the first time, no family no roommates nothing, and honestly I'm kinda thriving. I wan always scared to be completely alone but I'm learning to just love being with myself.

To the second point, don't get hung up on the hobby as the primary thing. I.e., stop trying to find a gamer girl gf & just find a good girl who you get along with. You can introduce her to your hobbies & if its true love she'll give them a try.

And honestly, don't get so hung up over trans ppl. They're literally like less than 1% of the population, you have much more important things to worry about.

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>>73003159
He was going to conventions to find women. you would find quite a lot of "women" there

I still think anime conventions are one of the easiest places to find someone with a shared interest. Just show up in a male Genshin/HSR cosplay don't forget to actually play the game so you know something about the character and just chat up women. If too fat to pull it off, then it goes back to the other advice in this thread about getting fit.

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>>73003159
Honestly I've always benefitted from having someone to want to better myself for. Or someone to want to work hard for. Staying inside with only a cat it becomes
>Why bother putting on clothes? I'm just making more laundry for myself
I could go on, but you get the point. Living alone, I live like a caveman, and am sometimes disgusted by how I live. Bachelor life is eating a pizza in your underwear watching some shit on the TV. Sure it's cool every now and then, but when that's your whole life, it feels depressing.
> less than 1% of the population
That's why it's so frustrating. It's like dude why do all these people have to be in my hobbies? Why couldn't I be into normie shit like cars and sports lmao

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>>72995409
I never expected to meet or talk to her in the first place. I just like seeing her stream and seeing people enjoying themselves and being enthusiastic about what they like makes me feel happy.

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>>72995409
>do you pretend they're your actual girlfriend?
Sorta, and yeah it gets sad sometimes but it's not completely crushing because there are still other unrelated things in my life I enjoy. You also have things in your life that you enjoy, things that predate chuubas even? Don't leave those things behind completely. Prioritize that honestly. If you delved back into that for a bit, taking a break from the chuubas, maybe you'd see some of what you're feeling looks different from a different angle, maybe even an illusion. As nice and well meaning as your oshi is, she can still be dangerous in the long run. Don't forget the grander business she's part of is inherently malicious and preys on the vulnerable chasing the unattainable. It's okay to be in love, but is it really that if you're doing what a millionaire corpo suit is expecting of you?

So yeah, just remind yourself of that whenever the gosling creeps in. Don't forget the person you were in the moments in your life were you actually enjoyed existence and everything else seemed irrelevant. You're a person, not a tool.

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>>72995409
>How do you guys stay sane?
that's the thing, you're not supposed to stay sane

>a vtuber mama is a copy of any given vtuber, just with bigger tits
see, the retards that decided that have a very small scope of imagination

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>That's why it's so frustrating. It's like dude why do all these people have to be in my hobbies? Why couldn't I be into normie shit like cars and sports lmao

For ours is a niche hobby anon.

Until vtubing is pushed more into the mainstream, via our based god suisei and others that would be inclined to rally behind that banner, much like how otaku x gyaru is a fantasy, normies are also the exception here.

Ofc, if Vtubing ever does become mainstream there's a whole bunch of issues that will become commonplace, but it's give and take, much like relationships if you'll allow me to circle back to the OP

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>>73005277
Creatively bankrupt, maybe. But at the end of the day what the people want is big mommy milkies. At least you have Matsuri's mom. she still has bigger tits though

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I just enjoy the present in its totality, I know it's a massive cope, but at the very least that makes me very selective when it comes to chuubas.
If you are still in this shitpit website, in this particular hobby you should know more than us how you are basically done and ngmi, so it's best for you to relax and re-adjust your expectations accordingly.

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>>72995409
she's back

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>>72995409
get laid

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>>72995409
normie shit not my problem
its escapism, wanting to actually meet 3d girls is fucking dumb. embrace wizard, or go back to facebook or whatever

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>>72995409
That's the trick, we don't

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>>73013313
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>tfw when i almost got my ex into vtubing
i was so close to having an oshi that loved me back

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>>72995409
>seeing Fauna as GFE
Really nigga? Nobody can help you if you are that bad at picking vtubers to latch on.

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>>72995409
women aren't real retard

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>>72995409
Your problem was watching fauna