/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Is it based for VShojo to take down Niji with their ex like fighting fire with fire ? Or are they giving themselves a ticking time bomb and the Niji virus will weaken (or worse, kill off) its host ?

[Anonymous No.]

shes doing it for drama and to piss off niji

[Anonymous No.]

All of the problems in NijiEN today will migrate into Vshojo tomorrow.

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>>72707991

[Anonymous No.]

If they grab Pomu, it would be the only definitive “great” ex-Niji they pick up. Not just fine or decent, but great. The problem is that by picking up NijiEN, you also risk picking up their problems. If Pomu gets in, there’s going to be a lot of leeches like Quinn following.

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>>72707883
If they keep it to Kuro and Matara they're fine.
Honestly, I think that after the Niji EN implosion, they aren't going to pull in anymore ex-members. Nina and Mysta only got in because they left before it all happened.

[Anonymous No.]

Watch notPomu 'thrive' to a much lesser degree than post Niji Selen lmao

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>>72707883
Vshojo almost imploded over a silly wizard game once.
Nina and Mysta are tumblr tier retards. If they keep hiring these people it's just a matter of time before they really implode.

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>>72708874
>t. mindbroken keyfag

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>>72708869
doki's already old news

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>>72707883
Vshojo is fulfilling its true purpose. And that purpose is to act as a backup containment Corpo for when NijiEN inevitably dies. Thank you Vshojofaggots, /vt/ will mourn and honor your sacrifice... not really.

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>>72709639
as long as Henya and Zen make it out safely, I don't really care.

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>>72707991
spbp

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>>72707883
its not that deep OP,vshojo doesnt know how to scout and finding out some indie that have potential,so all they did is creating retirement home forf ex niji,thats it.

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>>72707883
It doesn't matter, the coalition against Nijisanji must hold until the deed is done. If Vshojo becomes the zombie infectee and turns into the new NijiEN they will face even worse backlash than the Japs, as they operate in the West to a predominantly western base.
If or when that time comes, god save Pikamee.

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>>72708874
>Vshojo almost imploded over a silly wizard game once
Lmao
Catalog retards actually believe this or are they just pretending?

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>>72709960
You're in a bait thread, take a guess.

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>>72709412
He’s right. It’s easy to blame poor management for all of NijiEN’s problems, but a lot of the fault also lies at the feet of some of the talents they hired. With all the leaks that have been going around, it just paints a group that is in total disarray or is at each other’s throats constantly. Bringing the talents into Vshojo won’t kill the problem, it’ll just move the problem somewhere else, and it’ll also move the cancerous fanbase somewhere else.

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>>72709844
What would they gain from scouting an indie? They dont own the ip, it makes much more sense to hire already stablished talents with their business model

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>>72709960
no,you are just clueless and never get out of you little echo chamber similar to those nijisister who think "nijiEN is doing good"

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>>72710223
alright anon,you either shitposting and pretending to be dumb or actually retarded

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>>72707883
Well they took Hololive's top 2 earners too so it's more like they hate JP corpos

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>>72709497
>t-two more weeks

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>>72710228
>no
So you don't actually believe that

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>>72710070
Shhh, support the livers anon. Only positivity here for the oppressed victims. It's only those filthy Japanese corpos who are at fault. Support the PLs, boycott Nijisanji and think of nothing else!

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>>72710450
you need to get out of your echo chamber and do your rep,but whatever if you want to stay clueless like those nijisister but when its blown up dont be like "how is this even possible"

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>>72710295
Sure, whatever you say
Explain to me why would they hire a literalwho indie when they dont own the ip
You are comparing vshojo to companies like hololive or nijisanji when their business model is entirely different

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>>72707883
The real question is, will Mint appearing in VShojo further tank Niji stocks? Surely seeing a third organ get transplanted into VShojo will make Niji investors realize that NijiEN has no future but to be a VTA for VShojo.

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>>72707991
basically, if they don't stop it now.
>>72708869
This seems almost guaranteed unless she joins a corpo imo. She doesn't seem to have the same kind of connections Doki has to work with.

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>>72711187
Well yeah, maybe, if she actually goes there.
I'm still holding out hope she has enough of a brain to stay away from that trashfire, but we'll see.

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>>72710903
"oh look we got our six Ex big niji for our niji retirement home,great,now what? shit" do you know why niji become literally the biggest vtuber company in the world worth of billion dollars that they are too big to fail now? because they literally get not just top streamer/vtuber but keep recruiting any indie with purpose of getting all the good one(ofc the bad one too) until no one left,fortunately enough holo and vspo are smart to get some asap with unique niche.

vshojo is still a company,they want to make money,to expand but they are depending on other company imploding,this is why even tho a fuckng coco is in vshojo they couldnt get a SINGLE holo member to jump ship to vshojo,rushia was fired,not leaving holo for vshojo,after she realise she didnt need vshojo,she left and still milking her unicorn

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>>72711187
Probably not. It's not a mainstream headline making move like Doki was. It'll be a big deal in vtuber spaces but that's about it.

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>>72711187
first,many ppl overestimate pomu or "Ex niji" popularity and impact,sorry but doki drama is hitting all normie sphere thats why the impact is really big,the second one is niji doesnt care about vshojo,ppl will look at vspo and think of them first rather than vshojo

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>>72711441
You don't get the part about them not owning the IP, right? This is a fundamental difference with the big corpos
You know how vshojo makes money? They take merch and sponsorship cuts
So why would they hire a literalwho instead of hiring an already stablished chuuba? They don't own the IP, they don't own the content, they don't own the model, they're just a talent agency
Also that's what they always did, the only exception is froot, every other vshojo member was an already stablished chuuba
They're not in the business of creating chuubas or content, they're in the business of managing them

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>>72708874
>imploded
the least popular member cried because people said they don't like her on twitter. that was literally the entire drama.

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>>72707883
They lost their based cred when they ran and hid like little bitches during the peak of the selen/doki firestorm. They make all these platitudes about how corpos bad yet the moment shit hits the fan for real they're keeping their heads down.
Why? Because they sided with the ones destroying nijien.
They're not based, merely craven greedy retards who believed picking the leftovers of a failing black company is a smart investment because they didn't realize half the reason it's a black company was the very employees they're picking up.

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>>72707883
There's nothing "based" about that twitch grifter whorehouse

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>>72712825
Hit it right on the mark, they are two-faced opportunists.

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>>72710070
Stop noticing things! Vshoujo is doing god's work by getting these ex-Nijis who are totally 10/10 chuubas.

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>>72707991
spbp

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>>72712825
But Froot and Zen both collabed with Doki?

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>>72713197
Point a gun at Ina and you'll get tentacle-ræped so hard that you won't even be able to stand.

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>>72713320
Don't tempt me with a good time.

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>>72713242
Those people still aren't Matara. Matara and Quinn are the giant glaring issues, even if Quinn isn't actually a worker there. If Gunrun isn't careful, he'll have Nijisanji EN 2 on his hands.

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>>72708508

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>>72712659
>You don't get the part about them not owning the IP, right? This is a fundamental difference with the big corpos
nah,you are the one who dont get it,dont own the IP? oh really?
now who is kuro? its mysta,who is henya? its pikamee,who is matara? its nina,who is nazuna? its rushia,who is kson? its kson/coco

you still dont get it? the whole own the IP is not like what you think it is,its not like the corpo who held the IP USE IT AGAIN,its DEAD.
"omg how about the person behind it?"
how about those "EX NIJISANJI" oh they suddenly become nobody? NO DUMBASS.The whole IP is about legality and bullshit,at the end of the day it doesnt matter.

"they are in business managing them" oh how about doki? shes indie,she has manager,why she need something like vshojo? you still DONT GET IT? because i think i already explain the whole think if you pay attention.

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>>72713242
Doki also raided Melody, so even if she doesn't get along with Matara it's not like she dislikes people just for being in VShojo.

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>>72713242
and not matara or kuro which is coming from the same company,I WONDER WHY? surely not because CLIQUE

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>>72713563
Anon, chill. I don't like Matara or Quinn either. I'm still giving Kuro the benefit of the doubt, but seriously, chill. It's also still april fools so we don't know how much we actually should be believing right now.

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>>72713563
You've been reading too much /vt/. Mata and Doki were never close in the first place. Them both leaving Niji doesn't suddenly change that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72708469
Henya

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>>72712825
Anon you can't say that! Think of the nosy Trash Taste boys pussying out on this incident because Kadokawa would fuck them over.
If Gunrun's harem raised their voices the Jap corpos would've fucked them up!

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>>72707883
It would be based for Vshojo to not end up like Nijisanji - and the way they conduct their business / treat their talent. They are miles ahead by not sinking that low.

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>>72713635
no,i dont fully labeling them as the "clique",but the fact that they specificaly avoided sayu and doki while SHILLING FUCKNG QUINN,its a big red flag that giving them "guilty until proven innocent" yeah that is the states of kurosanji member

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>>72713688
Henya wasn't in Niji though

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>>72712825
>based cred
what is that? some made up bullshit by typical nijifag and vshojofag to cope and being in denial? just like back then "niji is based and freedom because hololive IDOL is evil,that means niji is BASED"? until every single on of nijifag got hit with the harsh truth?

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>>72707883
On the one hand, I appreciate that they welcome all these chuubas, but on the other, it has almost become a joke how they are the retirement home of the ex-corpos.

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>>72713430
>>72713563
Doki most likely has moved on from that chapter of her life. This means she wants to stay away from anything Nijisanji-related, with the exception of U-san. That’s why she is reconnecting with old friends and making new ones. She won't interact with any Ex-Niji because she most likely doesn't want to. Or maybe every Ex-Niji is waiting for this whole thing to blow over, and then they will start interacting with each other again. Who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

cant wait for their reunion

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God, while I do think there were some problems in Niji, this whole “clique” shit is so stupid, and retards attach to it thinking is some magical word to explain everything

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>>72710341
>they took Holo's top earners
They were Holo's top earners indeed. Then Cover decided to drop them on their own volition and look where they are now? Kson fell from grace and Nazuna has been Yamcha'd into oblivion to the point where she would genuinely kill someone to re-enter holo

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>>72713503
Look man, you're getting upset and you're losing your grasp of the English language and I'm not really getting wtf you're trying to say
Don't know why you're talking about Doki when she's not joining vshojo afaik
Do you really not get why hololive and nijisanji have different business models than vshojo?
Why would vshojo focus on growing an IP they don't own? You think that would be a wise business decision for them?
If the IP doesn't matter like you say, why don't the big corpos just give or sell their IPs to their chuubas when they leave?

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>>72714794
>Kson fell from grace
schizo thinks this is the bible

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>>72716119
Kson more than anyone thinks she is vtuber jesus

[Anonymous No.]

>>72716119
The Vtuber's Martin Luther King Jr?
Checks out.

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>>72716137
>>72716453
comparing her to good people who did good things is supposed to be an insult?

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>>72714794
>fell from grace
Didn't she basically sacrifice herself to get china off Holo's back?
Are they still after her for reading out her youtube analytics 3 years ago?

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>>72707883
Cancer collector keeping everything better clean, at least

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>>72712782
Silvervale wasn't the least popular member, Froot was at the time, and Silvervale left, it also would have been in Nyanners and Veibae's mind when leaving although both of those mainly made their decision because of the money.

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>>72717626
Not even. That's what we said about Nijisanji and look how that turned out.

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>>72711285
>Implying she would not find connections easily knowing who she is
>Implying she is not one connection away from all those connections
>Implying the Pomudachi aren’t as loyal as the Dragoons
She will have a rockier start because no company will jump on a sword to boost her to normie knows status, I give you that, but Pomu has been the soul of Niji, she can easily thrive giving some time.

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>>72718420
Yeah, no doubt she'll be good eventually. I'm just saying she won't have as big of a boost off the indie scene due to lack of immediate connections, and she'd benefit far more from joining a corpo that handles that for her.

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>>72717604
>Are they still after her for reading out her youtube analytics 3 years ago?

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>>72718765
god I fucking hate china.
I hope Vshojo at least does a better job protecting her from this shit.

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>>72708869
Doki was a very special case where everything aligned for her success. getting the normie crowd and top fleshstreamers to notice her was huge. no one will be able to replicate that. not even NotPomu.

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>>72718838
It's an actual miracle of coincidences that of all people for this to happen to, it was her. She was by far the one person who'd be able to take the biggest advantage of having so many eyes on her while also not being attached to the company anymore (of the NijiEN). She just has too many contacts and character witnesses to call out their bullshit who were also willing to help prop her back up as soon as possible. I don't even think terminating Pomu would've had the same effect for both the victim and Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisisters may be imagining a future where Doki is headhunted by Vshojo.
But after seeing the current numbers of Kson, Kuro and Cockroach, I doubt she would make a foolish choice.

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>>72713503
Your style of writing makes your posts very difficult to understand.

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>>72719138
I don't think Doki would join either, but not for the reason you are suggesting.

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>>72713503
>who is kson? its kson

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>>72719138
Doki's not going anywhere a corpo for a good, long while, if ever. She's absolutely tired of that shit (for now).
If anything it sounds like she's trying to start over with her own group (friend group not corporation.)

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>>72719138
Doki already raided Melody, collabed with Froot and will most likely collab with Zen in the future.

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>>72707883
Nah.
Niji and Vshojo are different beasts.
First off Vshojo has a queen. Mouse...so even with this start,they would have to deal with it. There is already a power structured in vshojo,that the clique wouldn't be able to bypass unless allowed.

Second,you guys really forget how Niji just got this shitfest because they allowed it.
A lot of Clique mains problems are born because Niji is Niji.
For Fuck sake Luka was one of the mediators, FUCKING LUKA.
Niji management both sucked ass and encouraged this kind of behavior.

I serious think Clique wouldn't have been a problem in any other agency. But because Niji was Niji it became a fucking deadly cancer.

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>>72719138
Neither Doki or VShojo have a real interest in each other in the business aspect. I mean it’s not really impossible that in a personal level there’s some interest as seen by >>72719554
but that’s about it. Doki or rather, Selen, wasn’t too close to many on the group and less in the people she worked with. In a lot of ways, they have different career paths, they probably have some respect to each other and that’s about it. People trying to bring her out are mostly baiting or writing without thinking by seeing everything.

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>>72719554
>and will most likely collab with Zen in the future.
That would be cool. Weren't they supposed to collab when Doki was in NIjiEN? If my memory is correct wasn't it Selen(Doki) and Zentreya who set up the collab in the first place?

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>>72719888
Isn't Doki the closest to Froot and Melody?

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>>72719930
Yeah, it was a Lethal Company collab with Nerissa and Reimu too.

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>>72719888
>Neither Doki or VShojo have a real interest in each other in the business aspect.
lmao sayu already talking about it,for her and doki its impossible because theres someone who dont like it,which is matara that is connected to the clique lmao,is it really that hard to understand? sayu herself talk about it,i dont made this shit up

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>>72720017
Sayu was talking about her own situation.
She doesn't have a shot to get into vshojo, Doki does.

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>>72720014
In an alternate timeline where Nijisanji was a good company and didn't hold Selen back, we would've had a Kino collab(minus Reimu)... Damn.

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>>72719617
I do not care if there are friend groups, cliques, or a goddamn cult in there.
I just want Kyo out of the fucking industry.

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>>72720119
It was still a really fun collab
https://youtu.be/webn7h4MZd0
but yeah Selen would have elevated it further

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>>72720103
>Doki does
ah yes,thats why we see them going to doki like some vultures? oh wait,it was quiet,thankfully we have sayu here,the niji whistleblower who will expose everything and explain why vshojo didnt take doki asap,it was because matara are part of the clique with kyo,in fact she shill kyo REALLY HARD,but not a single word about doki

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>>72720363
>and explain why vshojo didnt take doki asap
It's pretty obvious.
Doki wanted to get back into streaming right away after her contract got terminated and getting into vshojo takes time and preparation.
Doki also didn't ask for help for her debut from Matara, Quinn on the other hand did.

[Anonymous No.]

Interesting relationship dynamics in Vshojo.
Doki
>Froot - Collabed with the most and are possibly friends.
>Melody - Collabed once or twice and Doki raided her stream. Most likely acquaintances.
>Zentreya - Planned and set up a collab but didn't get to do so. Zen acknowledges Doki on Twitter and follows her account.
Elira, Enna, Quinn, etc.
>Matara - Hangs out with and shouts them out.
>Kuro - Hangs out with some of them on occasion. Too stupid for his own good.
>Geega - Collabed with Quinn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72709639
But then what happens when Niji and Vshojo are dead?

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive certainly has a lot of yabs, but at least I've never heard of any relationship problems between the holo talents.
How did Hololive overcome the Twitch/streamer issues?

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>>72720547
Didn't she shylily also technically collabed with quinn? It was a big collab with multiple people.

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>>72720621
That would be the end of Vtubing as we know it.

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>>72720547
even outside of vshojo, quinn mysteriously has a lot of big friends and collabs. He's also collabed with people like Bao, gotten responses from people like Asmongold, etc.
He's ACTUALLY grifting off the "oh nooo nijisanji was a NIGHTMARE" and somehow gets off scott free by the sisters.

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>>72707883
they already must have said no to that drama wigger quinn by either telling him when he asked or ignoring him given that for kuro and matara they came to them first. if someone like uki, elira or luca comes knocking, they most likely get told to fuck off too.
you can screen and filter the bad aspects of nijisanji out, much to the dislike of your own talents but they will swallow it up because what is matara going to do? tell them they lie when they say they don't have the capacity atm to hire quinn?
and if mint joins they can just hire more staff and say: well now we just fixed issues.... and we are at max capacity again.

at least vshojokeks better hope that is the case. the other scenario is increasing the speed of nijisanjiEN sinking by vshojo taking in every halfway large organ. that would net you the likes of enna, elira, millie, vox and luca. I don't think any sane vshojofag would enjoy that idea.

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>>72720656
Link, please. Also, it was most likely a mass invite so in my opinion it doesn't count. Or at least for now, it doesn't until I see it for myself and learn the circumstances behind this collab.
>>72720693
That's weird, maybe some behind-the-scenes networking? That is paying people to shill him.

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>>72720850
Maybe. I've been keeping a loose eye on him since I'm paranoid of the idea of him trying to go after Sayu again. He's been collabing with bigwigs every day since he redebuted. I don't think he's had a single solo stream as a vtuber.
Yeah, I'm being a little schizo but better safe than sorry. That black screen shit and doki termination traumatized me.

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>>72720917
That's understandable. But if the "behind-the-scenes networking" is to be believed then it failed miserably. He will remain irrelevant in the future I believe. Hopefully, he will fade into the background.

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>>72720656
I'm not finding anything about Shylily collabing with Quinn. I think you were mistaken. It was Bao, not Shylily. As far as I know, Shylily and Quinn haven't even interacted. Unless proven otherwise.

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>>72721467
I must be mixing two different collabs then. My bad.

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>>72722237
It's all good. No problems here fren.

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>>72710070
I only commented on the keyfag's picture, Nazuna in fact wasn't forbidden from playing the game, just advised against it and she took VShojo's advice.

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>>72707991
spbp

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>>72707991
>tomorrow.
they are already there