/auds/ - VTuber Auditions and Workshop

[Anonymous No.]

/auds/ Thread #9

Let's discuss our aspirations for Vvtubing. Whether agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and hopefully make it as an entertainer. Indies are welcome to join, of course, but try to avoid the common pitfalls that come with being indie.
You don't need to commission a fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber. A simple png avatar can be enough to get started.
Made a pastebin of some nice resource posts from the previous thread since some anons thought it would be helpful; will update as more helpful anons provide useful insights: https://pastebin.com/zuUBUbGG
Anyway, question for the thread:
>We've talked about computer rigs and sound setups a lot; let's talk about some content! Specifically, is there anything that you're particularly interested in streaming that you don't think has been covered? Any collabs that you think could be done that haven't?

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I play a good amount of card games and mobile games on my streams. Does anyone have a good solution for how to place my camera? I always drift off on tracking and end up with just closed eyes and looking down. I played around with placing my camera at the bottom of my monitor but that didn't quite work either

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>>726864
I don't have much experience in streaming mobile games, but maybe you could use a phone emulator and connect your accounts to that so you can look at your monitor
My other suggestion would be to maybe get a stand for your camera to aim directly at your face and have better control of the angle?

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>>726864
Emulators, really.
Most people I see streaming mobile games run them on Blue Stacks (or that's what they shill, at least).
I'm not very experienced with this kind emulation to advise on it though,

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>>727586
Unfortunately the game I play doesn't translate well to bluestacks for whatever reason. Plus the controls for don't lend themselves to mouse movements.

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This company wants me to do a Zoom call. Do I need to show my face? Is this normal? I don't really feel keen on showing my face after giving them my full name and everything. Company is called Phase-Connect. They haven't done much promotion, just some reddit threads. Am I overthinking things?

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>>728139
the only person who'd be able to explain would be another who've gone through similar interview process or hopeful, but hopeful's been gone after /wvt/ tourists came in and took a shit on the thread a while back.

sorry anon. hope someone with more experience can chip in to help.

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I want to mass-redpill my audience. Recommended course of action?

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>>728226
stop browsing /pol/, take your meds, and come back to reality, anon

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>>728226
On what topic?

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>>728139
considering they seem to be a company trying to start up i guess it would make sense that they know who they're employing and i doubt they're gonna do anything with the knowledge of your face
besides, i'm pretty sure they could find you if they wanted to if they have your full name given how powerful the internet is.

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If I make my avatar a werewolf, will I be called a furry?

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>>728443
if pic related, then no, it's just standard nekomimi style anime characters.

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>>728243
>stop browsing /pol/
I'm more than a month ahead of you, fren.
>>728248
Corporate media. I basically want to revive the Hegelian dialectic circle Marx, Engels and Stirner were all part of, and plot a new ideological course opposed to all elements of the current paradigm.

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>>728443
no but people on twitter will probably be horny for you if that matters

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Is there a dump of promotion discussion from previous threads? I was doing some sound testing playing a FOTM game earlier and I kind of hoped for one or two randoms to stop in. Plus there are some more narrative games I'd at least like to have a small audience before bothering to start on stream.

I'm terrible at 'personal brand' building irl too.

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Should I tell my friends and family that I'll be streaming as a vtuber? I know that starting is the hard part, especially streaming to 0 to 1 person.

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>>728731
i don't think there were any particularly notable posts in the previous threads about building a brand or promoting yourself outside fairly generic advice but if anyone wants to do a more thorough dive for it i can add it to the pastebin
people have posted their streams in here before whether they be dummy accounts or their actual stream so if you want anons to support you as you test things out someone might drop by depending on the time

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>>728905
what would be the purpose of telling them?
if it's to try and inflate your numbers by asking them to just leave a tab open on your stream, i wouldn't go that route.

if it's because you've got doxxed and you're warning them to prepare for unsavory death threats and stuff, probably.

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For anyone who's gone as far as to commission a Live2D in any way: a lot of the fiverr gigs for designing an unrigged avatar, they seem to have bust up - waist up - full body as tiers. Has anyone commissioned an avatar from people who had options along those lines, and specifically go back to that particular artist and just "upgrade" for the cost difference later? Some of these artists are reasonable enough pricing for bust-up models, and I kinda wanna commission one, but only if I know that I can go back to them later and "step up" at a discount if I start getting traction and wanting to strengthen my visual presentation.

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>>728182
Hopeful went to wvt and wvt gave him a dose of reality. Get your facts straight and your trips back on.

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here come the tourists again

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>>728905
ehhhh i've only told one other person about it and the people i live with know because if i don't tell them i'm streaming then i'll end up getting barged in on
for the most part i like to keep this separate from my real life
>>729133
I don't see why that would be a problem but you would have to talk to the rigger about it obviously; tell them that you may plan on getting more of the model rigged in the future so they don't wipe the work they have for you or anything

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>>729133
Doesn't hurt to DM them and ask on a case-by-case basis.

Lord knows I've DMed my fair share of Fiver artists with stupid and specific questions. They won't think anything of it and you will get your answer

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>>728139
YWNBAW

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>>729623
>>729188
go back to /wvt/ and /pol/ you manchildren

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>>729430
>>729587
I guess I'm secretly concerned that by asking in the first place, I'm prompting them (if they don't already have it as an established policy) to be like "oh, no, sorry, if I have to re-do it it'll be full price".

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>>729643
If that's the answer they give now, it would be the answer they give when you need it done in the future.

Infact, id say they would be MORE compelled to force you into full price in the future, when they know you are in a bind and don't have an option

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>>726712
Please, update the document adding the following information:

3D Tracking App:
-3Tene.

Both 2D & 3D:
-VUP

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>>729683
i'm dumb as shit and made it as a guest so i can't update the pastebin but when the new thread is made i'll make a new one that can be updated and put those on the list as well
>>729629
just ignore them
no one took the bait in the last thread and the only real arguing that happened was between some audio people

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>>729643
Agree with >>729670 , also if you're not willing to shell out for a full model now, then the ABSOLUTE BEST CASE scenario is that the original artist (assuming they are still doing it at this indeterminate future time), who would be familiar with their own work and style, would at worst just have to tweak their own shit, and they may or may not charge you again. That's assuming they don't save their work files for you based on the promise of possibly being a return customer. Absolute WORST case scenario is that either they make you pay full price, or they retire, and you have to go to ANOTHER artist who sure as shit is gonna wanna redraw from scratch (or at least claim to be) and just use your model as a reference.

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Blue Yeti is about as good as you can get for it's price, right?

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>>730098
Don't bother with USB mics if you really wanna get serious about things.

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>>730172
What do you recommend

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>>730098
When I was looking at mics I got the Elgato Wave:3 recommended a lot, but ended up going with a Shure PGA48-XLR and a Behringer U-Phoria UM2 USB Audio Interface for about $100.

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>>730186
Focusrite Scarlett Solo or Behringer UM2 + a decent XLR mic is pretty much the go-to recommendation. This also allows you to upgrade to a higher-end mic in the future, as you can just keep the USB interface.

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>>730172
Really? I feel like most people would never notice a difference

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>>730347
Purely for streaming it's less important, as you're gonna have game sounds or bgm playing at the same time.
If you're planning on doing anything else like podcasts, voice acting work or music recording then you'll want the upgrade path of an XLR setup.

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>>730347
I had the Yeti Snowball that I got for discord, but I recently switched to a xlr. Some people instantly asked if I had changed mics, others said I sounded the same.

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>>730347
Their biggest flaw is if you want to sing, as they can be a bit flat compared to a proper microphone. But if you want to just talk I don't see a particular issue with them. Sound autists might think you'd sound a bit flat even when talking but I've honestly never used a "good" microphone so I can't really compare.

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>>730186
sm58 and a used audio interface like the audient id4 or tascam

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>>730098
No.
Read the pastebin in the OP.

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while i appreciate /mu/ anon's info, a lot of the stuff on the pastebin seems pretty intense, especially for someone who just wants to get started and doesn't really know about dropping $100 on an XLR mic, even if there is the opportunity for upgrades.

indies and beginners might not even know if they want to be a streamer after their first 2 weeks and $100 can be a lot for a lot of folks. that's just the mic too, not even including the cables, the mixer, whatever else you need to make it work.

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>read the pastebin mic advice
>completely overwhelmed

Okay so I'll just be fine with a Blue Yeti for my first year or so, right? Especially if I'm not willing to spend more than 150? I feel like I'm really overthinking things

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>>731041
If they're looking at dropping $100+ on a Yeti, they're likely better off putting that into an entry level XLR setup.

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>>731278
yeah just go with it. it's dumb as fuck to expect literal beginners to want to "be serious" and dive headfirst into the deep end music production or podcasting.

>>731362
the info on the pastebin is inaccessible as fuck. just list out the product, 1-2 sentences about why it's good. like the other anon said, it's overwhelming and any beginner who reads will walk away thinking they need to drop $100+ on a bunch of equipment or it's not even worth starting.

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>>731405
I could change it for the next thread though I think at least the first paragraph is fine before it gets into the different kinds of microphones
could change everything after the first paragraph to like, good beginner setups since that's the intended audience

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>>731405
but they've been told already:

>>730245
>>730217
>Focusrite Scarlett Solo or Behringer UM2 + a decent XLR mic
>Shure PGA48-XLR and a Behringer U-Phoria UM2 USB Audio Interface for about $100
Iike >>731362 says, if they're going to spend $100 on a Yeti, might as well get something entry level. These are plug and play too.

[Anonymous No.]

guys...what happened to hopeful-chan?

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>>731855
She got called a tranny by /wvt/ and left

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>>731890
really?

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>>731855
the lie i'm telling myself is that her indie company's contract started and now hopeful is working full time as their new identity

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>>731855
she either left or dropped her trip
if you're unironically worried for her just look out for some tiny twitter company announcing debuts and maybe you'll find her

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>is there anything that you're particularly interested in streaming that you don't think has been covered? Any collabs that you think could be done that haven't?
After the last thread I definitely wanna do a mahjong collab with three others just to shoot the shit. Also possibly a TABG collab and maaaybe a Morrowind one once the open source version is 100% complete

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>>726864
You can do a tripod or estand with cheap legos

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>>729683
VUP is good but it's chinese

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>>732019
Does VUP collect and send any data to the Chinese?

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>>732019
isn't prprlive chinese too? i'm pretty sure it also has built in billibilli integration

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>>732058
They're hardly going to tell you if they do.

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>>731041
Anon,
The first recommendation in the paste bin is to use whatever you have - such as a headseat you may already have or a mostly inexpensive rockband mic, followed by tips on mic technique to get the most out of what you have before you spend money.
And only after you have had some time streaming and want to upgrate do look in those options.
No one is telling a beginner to dump $100 in a mic before they even start.
You should try actually reading the pastebin with a minimum of attention.

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>>732019
So is PrprLive and most indies are fine with it.

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For people who have a character reference/fully made model, how did you come up with the design in terms of attire? Did you give an artist certain keywords or did you have a more focused design? Where did you look for inspiration?

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Has anyone tried DIYing a booth or something like some vtubers use? I live in a terraced house and sound can carry if loud enough, so if I start belting out a song I'd rather not disturb my neighbours with my weeb shit.

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>/auds/
More like /AIDS/, hahaha.

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>>728443
yes

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>>734168
I gave an artist a theme and specific kinds of accessories/clothing that I wanted and then the artist came back to me with a set of four designs and we worked from there

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>>726712
not related to thread topic, but do you have more of these pekora pics with her broken english as the caption? I've seen a few but I didn't save them

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>>736670
unfortunately i do not

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>>736670
I saw a thread about those the other day, guess my best advice is to go archive diving.

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Holy FUCK this audio setup shit is stressful. I want to get the AT2020 but getting any audio interface with it imediately puts me over my budget

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>>737169
Even a cheap-ish one like the UM2 or UMC22?

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>>737329
Are those even like, worth getting? My Audiophile friend said that anything under 100 bucks is sketchy at best

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>>737427
The most important thing is that they'll work. The nice thing about an XLR setup is you can upgrade each part individually.

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>>737534
I'm checking out the UMC22 right now. What kind of noticable difference does the interface even make, assuming my mic is good?

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>>737789
The interface essentially converts the analog signal from the mic to a digital signal for the PC, so a higher-end interface will let you record in higher resolutions (think 24 bits instead of 16 bits, or using sample rates of 192KHz instead of 48KHz). Potentially useful if you want to get into music production.

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I posted ITT (or family of threads) this past weekend during my own XLR upgrade saga (from a Yeti I've owned for years): one thing you might have to think about is how much more finicky XLR setups are to interference. My new mic sounds much better, but I also have a ground loop present in it due to my apartment's shitty wiring. No such issue with the Yeti, I'm guessing due to its exclusively digital USB interface vs actual raw analog electrical connection of an XLR.

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>>737984
Anything that would be imediately noticable while streaming?

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>>738036
Oh Jesus you are stressing me out, man. Now i'm nervous I'm making a mistake dropping so much on an XLR

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>>738068
No. Stream audio is always compressed to conserve bandwidth, and you'll have bgm or game sounds playing at the same time anyway.

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>>738108
Noise cancellation software (RTX Voice, an older build that works on my 1080ti) clears it up. It's not a huge deal. It's only really significant if you're trying to record singing vocals in a treated space and need every single bit of raw input you can get.

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>>738108
https://files.catbox.moe/l8bpon.mp3
This is also with a +6db amplification, the 60hz click was entirely gone in the original recording (but it was also really quiet and I wanted to illustrate what quality differences there might be)

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I don't have any art programs other than ms paint. Are there any tutorials on how to export/import my stuff to live2D or any non-photoshop tutorials?

And yes, my model does look crappy. My mic is an old xbox 360 headset. My PC can only stream GBA games. The only thing I got going for me is my internet speed. But I think I should atleast try.

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>>731918
Yes really. They did a stream, got a mixture of criticism and being called a tranny, then made one last trip post about thow they got everything they needed from /aud/ and were leaving. I wouldn't feel too bad though, given they said some pretty questionable things, such as claiming if a vtuber came from /aud/ then hopeful had basically birthed them, which is weird even as a joke.

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>>742257
as far as i know i think you need a psd file in order to export to live2D but someone more knowledgeable can back me up/tell me i'm wrong
i do know that photoshop cs2 is like permanently free because of some license errors so you could always try downloading that

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>>742354
you need a PSD, yes

>>742257
look into GIMP or Paint Tool SAI, you need a program that at least has layers to make a model, which mspaint can't even do

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>>742257
>>742526
>you need a program that at least has layers to make a model
How about Paint.NET? I treat it literally as MS Paint with layers (along with some extra features), and you can add further plugins for more.

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>>743069
i haven't used it in ages but as long as you can save as psd it should be fine yeah

[Anonymous No.]

When do you think people will start getting callbacks for HoloEn 2? I feel like a complete sperg checking my email right now.

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>>743117
someone in a past thread said they respond within 2-3 weeks of you submitting to invite you to an interview. otherwise, you've been rejected.

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>>743117
don't forget to check spam email too

[Anonymous No.]

https://files.catbox.moe/4bbhjk.mp3

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Is my voice okay? I don't know why but the farther I get into the process of making my channel the more nervous I get that my voice is cringy

https://voca.ro/19iWFWoG87cu

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>>743601
Unless you stole their modulation assuming they even used a completely original modulation, nah

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>>743601
That'd be like Konami suing me for using my Raiden/Jack the Ripper impression for my character. Just play it off as "inspired by".

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>>743691
It's better than mine my guy. Your voice really only matters if it's like an speech impediment or if you're specifically going for that super deep radio asmr voice. You're good.

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>>743691
Bioware didn't invent audio flanging. I guess a better question is whether it adds anything to your theoretical character. Is it an alien, or robot, or anything else that would reasonably have this voice? Are you hoping that the voice alone somehow helps "make" your character, because it alone won't create an audience.
Side question to anyone here, which might in turn help that anon: anyone know of any streamers above absolute bottom of the barrel 5-concurrent-viewers indies that ACTUALLY use a voice changer? Not just speculative pitch shifts, but actual effects like this?

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>>743691
https://voca.ro/16fGcc3h60QN

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>>743865
Meant to reply to >>743601 , sorry

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>>743865
>anyone know of any streamers above absolute bottom of the barrel 5-concurrent-viewers indies that ACTUALLY use a voice changer
Not a voice changer, but Zentraya stands out as an example of someone not using their natural voice (or any voice at all for that matter), but TTS. Not quite the same, I suppose, as TTS is kind of its own niche.

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>>743691
you have a good voice, you sound like a really normal person, which I guess depending on how you feel is either good or bad
maybe record some lines you'd say during a stream?

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>>743954
Whisper

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>>728443
that depends, are you?

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>>743601
i don't think using a voice filter is specifically copyrighted by any one group
also whisper uses a not too different sounding filter so i think you'd be fine

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>>743117
the interviews begin two weeks after auditions end, so you're gonna be waiting a while

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>>744613
no but on the offchance that i actually get a following, i don't want them to be furries. or to get shipped with some other furry.

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>>731855
Got harassed by /wvt/ and left. She said her contract starts a few months from now so I’m thinking either April or May. Just be on the lookout for a company around that time

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>>744713
hey man, furries are some of the most curiously wealthy people out there; i would take that crowd to the fuckin bank

[Anonymous No.]

what's a debut stream actually supposed to consist of?? my model is supposed to be finished with being rigged soon, and i'm not sure how a debut stream is supposed to go

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>>749353
go watch a debut stream
although if you're an indie it might be better to make a more straightforward and edited introduction video that's easy for new viewers to watch, since you're not going to have very many people come in for a debut stream

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>>749487
ohhhh thank you ^^ !!! i'll check out a debut stream, and look at some introduction videos too ^^

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>>742267
honestly i didnt like how she handled that. there will always be antis, you know, and if the response to criticism this trivial is that, well... whatever.

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>>726712
5 Tips to CRUSH /auds/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ1DmT6_o0g

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>>749952
>Look straight at comments instead of watching
>People think popular memer-type people are the ones that are going to get picked and uploader agrees
already don't like it
HoloMyth people were chosen specifically because they aren't the typical memers and spawned mostly original jokes or had a quirk that was easy to get into. You need a personality that isn't just regurgitating memes and people who think thats all that Gura does are fuckin idiots, she's mostly a really excitable and snappy girl that's a little thick in the noggin.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to be Vtuber and be able to say all the funny haha words that Twitch nor YouTube allows where would be a good alternative place to stream?

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>>750122
facebook

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>>750185
I've gotten more FB postblocks than I could count on two hands so probably not there

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>and be able to say all the funny haha words
have you considered liveleak?
otherwise, go back to /pol/, thanks

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>>750230
your own discord server is your only option then, faggot

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Is it possible to make it as an indie without the backing of a corporation? I'd rather own everything I make.

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>>750337
have you looked at the rest of the board? the answer is yes btw, though you wouldn't make as much money as a corporate chuuba

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>>750337
>Is it possible to make it
define "make it" first, anon
liveable wage? probably, but it's an uphill battle
a small community of 10 people who tune in reguarly? more likely

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>>750275
I'm not schizo enough for /pol/, sassypants I just want enjoyee the gentle breeze of non-stop PUBG bridge moments

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>>750337
Depends on what you consider "making it". Do you think you'd be a successful streamer/youtuber by yourself? If no, do you think not having a 2D/3D avatar was the issue?

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>>750399
>I just want enjoyee the gentle breeze of non-stop PUBG bridge moments
then the only place left for degenerates like you is your discord server

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Videos are privated now.
FUCK

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if you guys need any inspiration, one of the biggest wow streamers isn't even a pngtuber, he's just a picture of a cat wearing a waffle on its head

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>>750501
wrong thread magnetbro...

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>>750448
I appreciate your bluntness, anon, you have a good night and a nice hearty breakfast in the morning

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>>750535
it hurts

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>>750555
sorry, anon...

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>>730098
Honestly, the Blue Yeti is fine for starting things.
You want to move to better USB mics or even a proper condenser mic down the line.

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>>726712
>Specifically, is there anything that you're particularly interested in streaming that you don't think has been covered?
It's not exactly new ground with vtubers, but I want to primarily do TCG related content. Basically commentating my games while grinding ladders, doing huge pack opening streams for new set releases, and there's the possibility for viewer battles if there's enough following. The biggest concern I have about this is that participating in irl tournaments could be dox fuel
>Any collabs that you think could be done that haven't?
The ever changing nature of card games lends itself well to roundtable sorta discussions if that counts. Stuff like metagame predictions before/at set release or banlists, joint deckbuilding, and tournaments.

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>>751622
just don't do IRL tournaments for your vtuber then

[Anonymous No.]

I have a deep-ish male voice with a slavic accent and I want to babiniku, how fucked up would it be?
Tried voice changers, my voice doesn't play well with them, and I, so far, can't get my throat to produce any other sound without losing my breath altogether.
At this point I'm thinking that being a "narrator" for the character depicted on the sprite might be a better option... though that would probably only work for videos, not streams.

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>>753802
post voice
but also who cares, just use your normal voice for the character, doesn't stop the JP people. Just make sure the character looks somewhat appropriate with the voice, like massive boobs.

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>>753832
Yeah, one problem is that I was planning a character that's more cute-casual than sexy (not a loli, though Nekomasu paved the way for that a long time ago).
I guess you're right, nobody cares, it's not like there will be any viewers in the first place. I'll post voice later, mic's at home.

[Anonymous No.]

Lowkey kinda worried about my own voice; people say it's cute and all but I worry because auditions don't really go and respond to me?
https://voca.ro/1dmZkyeTKHLo

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>>755162
Also I'm a new poster to be clear

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>>755162
It sounds pretty forced desu. Most Vtubers use a fake/dramatised voice but the main issue with yours sounds like you're struggling to keep it going, like it's straining your throat to force out the pitch. That being said it isn't bad, your voice kind of fits a princess like pic related, and the way you punctuate your words and drag the syllables makes you sound like a character in an after-school program for younger kids.

Are you aiming for a particular character? And if so, maybe you should provide a voice sample with some dialogue to read out relating to said character type.

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>>755599
Hm, you're not wrong
Have a less forced recording, then; I think sometimes I overshoot it (my natural voice has been described by some as being more like Okayu or Towa's)
https://voca.ro/18XyOxLbJk0p

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>>755977
can you post your natural voice for comparison?

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>>755986
Sure thing I suppose
https://voca.ro/14okdPFctF8Q

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>>756104
The difference between the first two recordings and the natural recording is extremely jarring, I would just use your natural voice since it's pleasant to listen to vs a force anime-y voice.

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>>756104
NTA but that sounds marginally less annoying and better for long amounts of exposure on stream. Your high pitch voice makes you sound like a sock puppet or a goofy mascot character. I wouldn't say you sound similar to Towa since her voice is more like a playful tomboy, and the only comparision I can see with Okayu is the lazy inclination to your voice. Would recommend playing around with deepening your voice and announciating your words more smoothly, maybe you can achieve a sort of "mature" voice instead of a "girly" voice. Maybe also try mixing your high voice and your normal voice to achieve a similar rise-and-fall effect that Towa has with her pronounciation and wording if you really, really want to do that high-pitched voice.

Unless you specify what you're aiming for it's hard to give advice. Your normal voice sounds fine to listen to for streams and videos, but It just seems a little directionless and monotone, even when it was high pitched like before. Monotone voices can be good though, and I'd recommend checking out female Youtubers with voices like that (off the top of my head Spherehunter comes to mind).

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have decent voice training resources? Most of the ideas I have for an avatar are female ones, and I don't wanna go in using my super-deep voice with an accent

[Anonymous No.]

>>756527
Is that so? I always thought my natural voice was kind of like... awful, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

is it even possible to do live2D comissions without being a digital artist?
i tried my hand at animating a png after asking in the last thread, i've learned a lot, but also noticed quickly that i am very restricted to simple movement, without being able to correct anything other than simple colors and patterns.
do people expect the guy rigging their live2D to do the layer splitting and correcting, or is it normal for the artist to have done all of that beforehand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>756967
Usually the psd file is already split and the covered parts are filled in if that’s what you mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>756967
The artist should usually be the one doing the layering

[Anonymous No.]

>>756733
Unironically „Singing for dummies“

[Anonymous No.]

>>756993
>>757007
yes that's what i meant, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>756967
If you mean just the movement then yeah, I see more often then not people who are specialized in just rigging as opposed to rigging and art

[Anonymous No.]

>>756608
I'm looking to do a rather cute voice. The second high-pitched voice I feel does a better job at that than the first personally.

[Anonymous No.]

>Implying Hololive would ever hire any of us

Gura, Callie, Amelia and Ina all had massive resumes. Kiara was picked because she is tri lingual and serves as a bridge between HoloEn and the other groups. Hololive doesn't just take anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

idol hopeful, if you are still here, I hope you come back! Don't listen to those insecure faggots in /wvt/, your voice sounds just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>757574
Ame's resume was actually relatively small in comparison to the other HoloENs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>757574
99 percent of people itt are indies

[Anonymous No.]

>Willing to drop the money on a L2D avatar
>But I literally have no idea what my character would look like to even commission a reference, let alone an avatar and rigging
I just have this really vague idea of a big guy (Batou from GitS keeps popping up) and... I have absolutely zero idea for the face.
Considering 90% of them are ESL, am I likely to get very far with the actually-good artists on Fiver if I just say "here's a couple very rough ideas, otherwise make something up"? I realize that might not be the most pleasant of customer-seller relations. I've never ever commissioned any sort of character art or reference in the first place, let alone L2D shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>749952
>pronounces gura wrong
Why the fuck would I listen to this faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>757717
You will drive any fiver artist crazy with that shit.

Take a few days and just scroll through character design reference material. Look for characters with the same vibe you are going for to mix and match what you like of each. Even if you don't want your character to be a frankenstein of existing characters, you will at least have something to give your artist as something to inspire the final design

[Anonymous No.]

>>757574
im really not looking to get hired by hololive in something i dont have an extensive resume for. thatd be immense pressure on top of even if i actually did have the massive resume.

[Anonymous No.]

>Some of the people in this thread are male

No offense, but this is a woman's profession. You're dreaming if you're a guy and you think you'll be getting anywhere in this field.

[Anonymous No.]

>>757950
I don't think using a virtual avatar is a death sentence for a man. You just can't approach it like a woman can and get the same results. That's why you see holostars being middling since cover does the same thing for them as hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>757798
>You will drive any fiver artist crazy with that shit.
Yeah, I figured. That's why I asked here rather than do something stupid. But like I said, new to this level of weeb-ery, is it just like... "hey, artist person, I want them to have a body like [character reference], the facial shape of [character], hair like [character] but black", something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>758279
That would definitely be better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>757950
I'm shooting for a genera niche enough that I don't think my gender will matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>758292
So like, do you need to be able to draw at least a basic concept? Because I can't draw in any sense, not even MSPaint tier. Like I realize you don't have anything more specific to offer, it's just really awkward in that I don't even know what questions to ask, and short of somewhere like here where I can be anonymously retarded, I don't wanna be laughed away by any artist I go to.
I mean, fuck, I've even considered first buyng a cheap generic animu artist (eg not Live2D at all, just a picture), to then turn around and use THAT as reference to the L2D artist, to then turn around and take THAT to a rigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>758523
I've even considered*, but don't even fucking know what to say or look for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>758550
>>758523
>>758279

If you're so unsure, ask yourself what you specifically wanna vtube for? Why be so committed to something based on "being a character", if you have no idea what character you want to be?

[Anonymous No.]

be straight with me, lads. Is the Nijisanji EN audition over? they didnt even look at my audition..

[Anonymous No.]

>views on my hololive audition video randomly go up when I check
Should I be concerned?

[Anonymous No.]

>>758847
you can check the metrics probably, there's a chance both the JP and EN sides wanted a look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>758847
hololive insider here, passed your audition around to my coworkers so everyone could laugh at you

[A No.]

>>729683
3tene sucks dick unless you're using a Perception Neuron

t. Ex-chuuba

also feel free to ask me anything

[Anonymous No.]

If you plan on using VRoid, here are some free skin colors.
https://twitter.com/ArgamaWitch/status/1362612362428231680

[Anonymous No.]

I'm ready bros

[Anonymous No.]

Why does every vtuber have their youtube set up as:

Name Ch.

is that a requirement or is deeper meaning to it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>752161
I think they mean that if they were to become known enough and go to irl tournaments, they'd be known by their voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>759643
Depends on the studio. I think it's a requirement for Holos and then a lot of indies just followed the trend because it's an easy way to recognize tubahs

[Anonymous No.]

>>759583
Were you ever a part of collabs? Should I try to network with the other indie vtubers or just stay in my lane?

[Anonymous No.]

>>759726
Not him, but collabs are great for building an audience. Just avoid punching up too much or else it will look like you are chasing clout.

[Anonymous No.]

>>759583
Where did you get the initial audience? Did you do public test streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>759762
At what level would you have to be to even start asking about collabs without looking like some weirdo? Clearly I don't mean Hololive-tier but, say, indies who are notable to have wiki pages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>759726
Also not him, but definitely collaborate with someone your size. Collabs are the second best way to attract viewers, the first being posting content outside of streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>759835
Once you are around their level in audience. Try to only collab with people who are your follower-count or lower and work your way up to that level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>756104
this is much better than your other two postings; i think it would be better for you to just go natural unless you really want like a cutesy voice to fit a specific character but you'd probably have to do a lot of speaking practice to make it sound less forced
>>757574
i feel like these threads have been less focused on "how am i gonna nail my auditions" and more "how am i gonna get started so that i can have an appropriate resume to eventually be able to even consider auditioning"
also, i'm pretty sure ame's massive resume was strictly just that she had been streaming for I believe two years prior to the audition and kept at it for so long
>>757717
you might want to work with someone who specializes in character design and just get a png first then. I feel like the first thing you should think of is like, what kind of setting would you want your avatar to look like they're from? I feel like that's a good starting place for any designer
For my character design I didn't have to provide a basic concept, i just gave them some keywords and they gave me some designs to pick from
>>758697
anon.... i'm pretty sure the first phase of niji EN ended quite a while ago....

[Anonymous No.]

>>749952
>do something you're passionate about
GenX detected. fuck off with this "passion" bullshit. disregarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>759951
NijiEN should theoretically be getting close to or already chosen at this point, and working on getting things prepared for going live.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760115
never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>728139
Hi I've interviewed with 2 companies. Both of them had me complete a Discord Call with audio. You could ask for audio only if showing your face makes you nervous. Phase-Connect is new and so I dont know what their procedures are but if they like you they will accommodate.

[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks Calli made it on "passion"
>he thinks Gura made it on "passion"
>he thinks Ame made it on "passion"
>he things "passion" is a real thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>760459
Never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>760467
seethe more, jusagi

[Anonymous No.]

>>758305
What genre?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760487
>>760115
>>760459
Have fun getting burnt out. 2 months in and you will be whining because it feels too much like a job

[Anonymous No.]

>>760459
I'm not sure if ame had passion, but calli definitely does. The amount of work she puts into demon dice was incredibly high for an indie. Gura just had meme power do passion is questionable.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck off with your fake "business" background, jusagi, no one gives a shit about you or your shitty "advice"

[Anonymous No.]

protip: cons00ming more equipment on amazon will not make you a better streamer fundamentally or net you more viewers directly

work on obtaining a personality or sounding as best as you can on your shitty mic before dumping your rent money into audio interfaces, foam, and condenser mics

[Anonymous No.]

>>760606
from what i recall ame was a small streamer with maybe 10k followers by the time she stopped which is still decently sized but she also did it for two years which i couldn't imagine you keeping at if you didn't have any sort of passion for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>760638
This is true but only AFTER you get past the professional sound


It's widely known that a professional sound is essential early on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760682
>small streamer
>10k followers

[Anonymous No.]

>>760682
>>760708
>Stream for a year
>Only just broke 40 subs
Time to seppuku

[Anonymous No.]

>>760765
have you tried being passionate, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760570
I don’t understand people who want to get into hololive or whatever “for fun.” It’s literally a job — if you want to vtube for fun you should just use some cheap setup and not bother with a company because again, it’s actually a job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760775
You really are triggered over this passion thing, aren't you?

How hard is it to understand that if you don't enjoy making content, you wont be fun to watch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>759951
>this is much better than your other two postings; i think it would be better for you to just go natural unless you really want like a cutesy voice to fit a specific character but you'd probably have to do a lot of speaking practice to make it sound less forced
So wait, you actually think it sounds good? How would you describe it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760765
Have you tried being a woman?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760765
Time to start following the trends, you got the base down. Have you developed a niche? Can you collab with someone? Have you tried posting memes on Reddit (not kidding btw)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760775
I just have fun. And sometimes with viewers though I have only ever had ten at most watching. Of course I also have no idea how to get myself out there anyway. And it's uncomfortable trying to make friends with other vtubers when 99% of them are female and you don't want to have their viewers get pissed off at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760765
Bro I got 10 subs just from a doing a single meme stream what are you doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>760824
It goes both ways.

If you get into streaming because you would rather sit at your desk than in an office, you aren't going to make it. You need to at least enjoy what you do

[Anonymous No.]

>>760825
because it's unbelievably garbage "advice" given to people from genxers like you who don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about. it sets unrealistic expectations on beginners who get the false idea that they need to first have a "passion" to do anything. that's not even how you workshop a product or a service, let alone streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760881
What’s a „meme stream“? Like Nyanners toilet review or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760903
Passion is what normies say when they mean „git gud“

[Anonymous No.]

>>760860
I'd rather not pretend to be something I'm not. So babiniku is a no go for me.

>>760861
Reddit is uh... A possibility I suppose. I may have to take this into consideration though still a bit wary of entering that dungeon.

>>760881
Not memes obviously holy shit. Just spam memes for a week and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760941
>„git gud“
...which is, yet again, really shitty advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>760903
Nobody is saying you will automatically make if you are passionate. They are saying that if you arent passionate then you will end up hating it the same way you would hate any other job where you sit infront of a computer all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>760908
Sorry I meant meme in the sense that it was totally random. I don’t actually stream on a regular basis at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760948
Sounds like you suck at video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760948
if genxer is "git gud" what is the term for whiny bitch who can't git gud?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760974
>passion means good at games
Are you just saying shit because you feel like you need to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>760997
Just like stop being bad. ez.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760765
do you mean twitch subs or youtube subs because the former is significantly harder
>>760708
and in response to both of you, i didn't mean 10k is a small streamer number for the average person but rather when you compare to where she is now the difference is magnitudes higher
10k would be a dream for literally any indie
>>760851
like, character-wise? it's not a lot to go on but it makes me think of some kind of like bookish librarian young adult type character
>>760945
have you tried twitter?

[Anonymous No.]

When you debut, is it necessary to make a "debut" stream? It seems to be the trend, but I also find them cringey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>761521
You can if you wanna but also if you don’t want to you don’t have to

[Anonymous No.]

>>761405
>like, character-wise? it's not a lot to go on but it makes me think of some kind of like bookish librarian young adult type character
Ah I see; so I could go for the glasses girl aesthetic or something?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best way to position my mic so facerig can still see me properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>761648
under your chin usually works if it's one of those big mics ^^

[Anonymous No.]

>>761648
I place mine so it's just below my chin in front of me. Pic related is a good position.

[Anonymous No.]

>>761691
>>761722
Thanks m8ys

[Anonymous No.]

>>761405
I think the best thing at this point would be to join the King bandwagon by singing in a language that no one understands with limited (read: almost no) knowledge of audio mixing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760115
You better pandering GFE motherfucker then

[Anonymous No.]

>>761521
It isn't particularly necessary no, you could always just make an introduction video or just go straight into streaming
i did one as because it felt like a formality that i should have gotten out of the way but i don't think its necessary
a lot of people who are "pre-debut" on twitter stream still so i don't really see what the point of debuting even is
>>761585
that's what i had in mind yeah

[Anonymous No.]

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=reference_sheet++virtual_youtuber

If anyone was wondering what they should have for reference, i've been looking at these when thinking of what I want my "avatar" to look like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>756733
unironically >>>/lgbt/19007822

[Anonymous No.]

>>760945
>I'd rather not pretend to be something I'm not. So babiniku is a no go for me.
Small balls has 103k subs and he mostly shitposts. Also he sings with this deep voice and he doesn't give a fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uhPas2RpII
I know, he's a dramafag, but he's the best example of EN speaking babiniku I could find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>760453
Thanks anon.

>>729623
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

How do I avoid my desk looking cluttered with audio equipment?

[Anonymous No.]

How does one get good at streaming in general, vtubing or otherwise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>762495
Charisma and being likable

[Anonymous No.]

Nina who has been quoted as a good example of rapid growth without shilling iolite now. You can stop by and check her out for inspiration, maybe ask for advice.

http://twitch.tv/ninaninin

[Anonymous No.]

So... how the heck does an indie actually advertise when starting from 0?
I don't have any popular friends to promote me or anything and I've been banned from Twitter so many times that I'm pretty sure I'm IP banned now.

My actual streaming setup is all high-quality assets and is nearly done, but if I can't market myself or appeal to people, I'll sink before I can even begin, right?

I'm panicking a little.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762605
if you're envtuber, you join the vtuber discord servers and do a lot of promotion threads !! you'll make popular friends that will interact with you and therefore spread your name around

[Anonymous No.]

>>762605
make content, create clips, make a fake account on reddit, post on the vtuber subreddit and say shit like "hey guys, there's this small vtuber i discovered, check him out!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>762605
See
>>762550

[Anonymous No.]

>>762605
Twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762550
Is she an ESL? There's something off about her accent

[Anonymous No.]

>>762708
She is Dutch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>743691
Put a little sugar on it, desu.
Sexy it up a little and you can be popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762736
Haha that's far from the vibe I'm going for

[Anonymous No.]

What's the lighting supposed to look like for face rig to follow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>762764
Not the other anons, but I think your natural voice could be great for like an ara-ara flirty character.

Like the other guy said librarian-esque (makes me think of Lisa from Genshin).

[Anonymous No.]

>>762507
Is it possible to learn this

[Anonymous No.]

>>762887
Absolutely, but not from 4chan posters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762652
That seems a little dishonest. Does it really make a difference, pretending to be someone else?

>>762639
What, like those self-promotion channels every vtuber discord seems to have? I see people post in them all the time and they don't seem to grow. I know I've never looked twice at any of them... how's that supposed to seriously work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>762887
Yes.

The honest truth, though, is that you fake it until you make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762855
From what I understand face rig can be pretty linient

[Anonymous No.]

>>762987
>Does it really make a difference, pretending to be someone else?
Honestly, no. People shill themselves on there all the time, but there's a limit to how often you can post links that advertise yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762987
no, there are twitter threads done by a few semi-popular entubers that focus on promoting, they can help you get started and meet other friends. once you have connections, it's easier to boost yourself up on the social ladder ^^

[Anonymous No.]

Lukewarm take: Facerig sucks. Using it is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763030
I think I'll be fine once I get out there a little.

I'm confident about my ability! I just need a little bit of an audience and I can definitely make it work naturally, for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763039
What's the alternative

[Anonymous No.]

>>763097
Animaze is the successor to Facerig, but it depends on what model you're using.

If you're using Live2D, iphone tracking with VTuber Studio is probably the best you can get. And there are others that are listed in the pastebin in the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>755162
Tranny tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>762855
I use prprlive but the lighting doesn't need to be like super professional. just make sure your room is well lit

[Anonymous No.]

>>762764
>>762863
That's what I'm saying.
A sort of a flirty cool guy vibe would work well, because your voice has a medium tone with just a little chest resonance in it.
You could be the handsome ikeman type if you practice your voice acting skills a little. It's not like it's that extreme of a voice anyway, it's just throwing a little charm on it, a little pizzaz.

[Anonymous No.]

>>762863
>>763379
I appreciate the advice. I'll try some self recordings in that direction. Thanks guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>763031
but I just said that I keep getting yeeted off of Twitter...
I got brigaded for saying pedophilia is bad years ago, and Twitter has never bothered responding to my many attempts at appeals, so it's a no-go for me. The good ol' "hate speech" ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763423
reset your ip, i can personally invite you to the main discord that i'm in if you want though (if you're not already in it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>763474
I'd appreciate it!

Sadly, my IP is static. I have municipal fiber.
It's cheap, it's lightning fast, they don't care if you pirate movies... but there are a few technical limitations.

I guess I can call them and find out. The banned account definitely has my name of choice hostage still, though...

[Anonymous No.]

>>763552
if you have a mobile device with a separate data plan, you can just make a new account with your phone number, assuming you haven't already burned it in the previous bans

[Anonymous No.]

>>763552
i'm busy right now, but my discord is thursday#0033, if you're already in the server after i friended you then it's no biggie and you just got a new friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>763580
>>763552
>>763474
>>763423
>>763411
>>763379
>>763373
>>763167
>>763118
>>763097
>>763080
>>763039
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.]

>>763745
I don't know that acronym.
That one of those extremely degenerate zoomer memes? I haven't kept up.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm looking at fiverr and it looks like it's under 100 for the Live 2D rigging. Is that normal or am I getting subpar work for that amount?

[Anonymous No.]

>>763863
it stands for "you will never be a woman", it's what they use on /pol/ when they're triggered by something they read online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763894
It's more complex than that.
You can get good work cheap from a third worlder who is actually awesome, because the conversion rate makes that a good price for them anyway.

You have to choose wisely, though. Don't send money to anyone whose work you can't trust the quality of. A real pro freelancer will be happy to discuss things with you, including hypotheticals, and will answer your questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763894
that's awfully cheap. i would ask them to provide verified samples of their work (and not stolen gifs or webms of other people's work) and double check to make sure they're legit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763901
Why would I want to be a woman anyway? I'll just be a cute boy.
It's more to the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763992
yeah, like i said, it's just what they reflexively regurgitate when they see something that offends them. don't pay 'em no mind. keep at it and good luck, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>763894
Rigging will range from $50 - $1000 with quality scaling upward and the typical diminishing returns.

I found the sweet spot is $350~ without bells and whistles like props

[Anonymous No.]

i posted my voice threads ago but i pulled a voice sample from one of my streams while trying to not make it obvious what game i was streaming when ripping the sample
https://files.catbox.moe/8ynw1r.mp3
would any anons be able to comment on my delivery on ending the stream?
>>763745
i know this is bait but i and a lot of other anons in this thread aren't even trying to be female vtubers
at least quote people going that route specifically because otherwise it just looks lazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>764073
You sound like Patton Oswalt. In a friendly light-hearted way

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone noticed if their audition for HoloEN has been reviewed at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>764231
go off the assumption that you've been rejected and get right back to making content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>764026
If you'll forgive me for bragging a little... I have a pretty nice voice and my streaming setup is already staggeringly cute.
I'm just waiting for my freelancer to finish my transition and I'll be ready to begin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>764231
I'm surprised so many people--most of the people here being guys--rushed to put one in.
I was thinking of doing one, but isn't it also kind of pointless for guys, since Cover seems to disregard their male talents anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>764231
they say that they'll respond within two weeks so keep up on your reps and try submitting again if you're not accepted
i think some anons mentioned the views going up on their audition videos so they still might be going through the early submissions

[Anonymous No.]

>>764317
They want to get closer to the girls in any way possible you dumb dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>764317
>since Cover seems to disregard their male talents anyway?
Lowest amount of effort with the highest amount of returns. Lonely boys will simp hard for a cute design and a comfy voice. No one has figured out the secret to making male vtubers work. Nijisanji males don't count as an example unless you're Japanese, so don't even bother bringing them up. Almost everyone here is western, so it's irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>764401
That's really lame, but I guess it's at least an admirable go-getter attitude.

Personally, while I'm a fan, I don't see why you'd thirst for a personal relationship with content creators you like.
People look perfect from afar. Up close, you are forced to see that they're human just like you. I've known quite a few famous people over the years, so... you quickly learn to stop putting them on a pedestal.

Anyway, that impure motive wouldn't get you through multiple rounds of interviews anyway. They'll be setting up one or two rounds specifically to filter out people like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>764456
I'm western and I watch Yashiro and Kuzuha. They're fun to watch. Kanae feels like he's secretly a legit asshole tho and not just joking about being one but he's entertaining too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>764317
Some people have speculated that if Cover sees a lot of guys throwing their hat into the ring that it might show interest in HolostarsEN which seems like a reach but I guess I can see where they're coming from
And even if they don't do too much for their male talents people probably see it like this:
Bigger male streamers would feel less inclined to apply based on StarsJP's numbers meaning that while the competition will be huge, you won't necessarily need to worry about the people who already have big established fanbases
A lot of indies definitely would love to have even Miyabi or Temma's (not shitting on them but I do believe they're the lowest subbed) numbers for followers

[Anonymous No.]

>>764556
>I'm western and I watch
You're the audience then. Nijisanji male vtubers work because of the Japanese culture. Western male vtubers don't have the culture buff and will fail until someone cracks the code on it.

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>>764494
That was the first thing I thought of. Most dudes looking to join Hololive seem less like normal fans and more like the "risky" kind of fans.

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>>764456
I wasn't going to bring them up, since I don't watch any of them. They don't get clipped as much and I don't speak Japanese, so...

Making a male Vtuber work is pretty straightforward, though. You just have to be charming and earn the affection of the audience, just like the girls do.

The problem is that weebs are psychotically gynocentric in an already gynocentric western culture. They, obsessing over femininity with religious fervor, don't understand that there are other types of love you can lean on.

If you want to work as a male vtuber to the primarily male audience, isn't the objective to be "the guy that everyone wants to be friends with"?
That means you have to be clever, show high moral integrity, and not be afraid to be yourself. You have to earn the kind of love that men naturally feel toward their brothers or comrades in a group/task.

It's not complicated. It's literally just... show some backbone and be a good guy, and you're 90% of the way there.

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>>764602
Just make male vtubers that appeal to chicks in the west and not chicks in the Japan. Just making them "bros" isn't enough since there are ton of traditional streamers like that already and having an anime avatar doesn't help boost that much since you're likely to have an avatar thats at least tryng to be good looking.

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>>764602
I get the feeling someone will figure it out by this summer. Dudes playing video games on youtube has been a semi-popular trend for as long as youtube has been a thing, It's not like weebs are new either. Some guy just has to hit the right stride of weebshit entertaining and generally entertaining.

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>>764722
I'll do it.
Look forward to it!

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>>764675
>You just have to be charming
You could've just said this part or just say have charisma. If you lack charm/charsima or whatever the x-factor is or don't have someone who has those things to leech off, then it doesn't matter.

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>>764675
>isn't the objective to be "the guy that everyone wants to be friends with"?
>>764721
>Just making them "bros" isn't enough

See, even here, there are conflicting ideas. No one knows how to crack the code. We think we know what people want, but we don't actually know that.

>>764722
>I get the feeling someone will figure it out by this summer.
Let's hope so. It'll be interesting to know how people spin their own take on it once it's been figured out.

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>>764660
I didn't even mean they would be creepy or anything like that.
I just meant that they'd be unmotivated and lack ambition if they got in, and therefore would be a bad investment for Cover to make.

I actually really like the HoloStars guys, but they don't seem to have the ambition to be big multi-media stars that the HoloLive girls do. Part of that is definitely Cover not showing them the first few steps, but the fact that they seem comfortable just being streamer bros is also not helping the matter either, y'know?

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>>764722
Look at the popular anitubers. Become like them but with an avatar. As long as you start out as a vtuber and not as an RL anituber.

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>>764785
Well... yes, but I also explained what it takes for a guy to be charming to guys.
Guys won't get results trying to use the same emotional basis as girls for gaining an audience. That's a pure biology problem.
Instead, you need to use the hierarchies and quick-bonding behaviors of men to reach out to men. You have to find a little common ground and be cool.

It can be a silly, small thing, but it doesn't take much to bond with your fellow bros.

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>>764795
I don't watch much Holostars but I remember early last year, an anon was asking others to give them a chance. It was a Mariokart collab and it was honestly pretty lame because only like 2 guys felt like they had passion and were talking energetically. It was Aruran and I forgot who the other one was but Aruran is ok. I watched the Among Us shit with ID and his ideas were fun. Definitely feel he is held back by his design. I feel the same for Astel. He should be getting a bigger boost since APEX is so bloody hot now but he looks super lame. Most of the girl's didn't seem to have THAT much of an ambition back then except maybe FBK because she had to as the pillar but the rise in popularity last year definitely fueled their ambitions.

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If the goal is to just form a tiny community of friends to stream to, that might work, but if you want to make it a profitable living, the straight up numbers game makes that impossible. You will never be able to be "bros" with the 1,000 viewers that you need to have a monthly live-able income.

At most, humans in western cultures can form 150~ strong connections with their community, and all others beyond that are just weak acquaintance connections. Even the largest streamers admit that they're don't see their chat as "friends" because they literally can't, it's a massive sea of usernames.

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>>764861
But then what advantage do they then have over traditional streamers? There's tons of those that exist already. How many guys actually want an "anime" friend? Either go for fujos or just be a good entertainer that appeals to anyone like some of the Nijis. Kuzuha manages to do both.

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>>764962
Expressiveness.

That's just a matter of having good character design that's really expressive and interesting. It's more of a technical problem than anything.

It's not an accident that most popular streamers are fairly good-looking. Even the ones that aren't conventionally attractive are at least "TV ugly" rather than "dude on the street ugly"--they're still solid looking people.

If you have a good character design that is, itself, charming and expressive that'll definitely help.

>>764938
You're looking at it wrong.
I'm not suggesting you try to form a personal friendship with 100k people.
I'm saying you need to position yourself in the natural hierarchy of men to be a high-status guy, with interesting ideas, high integrity and some kind of skills that make you interesting to guys.
It's the basis of leadership, and it's how organic celebrity happens.

Unironically look at Billy Herrington. He turned himself from a really weird meme into a legend by just being a cool guy. This isn't a magical process, and it isn't trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

You can discipline your character and work on your charisma to give off the right impression to others. The problem is just that men these days are so obsessed with anything with a vagine that they have forgotten how to be men.

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I think the better approach is to ask what a virtual avatar does for the viewer's watching experience. It helps hide the streamer's face in case their too shy about showing their real face, but that's a benefit to the streamer, not for the audience. What can a virtual anime avatar do better than just a webcam?

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>>763745
thank you this is incredibly validating knowing i will NEVER be a woman

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>>765137
But then they can just go watch those popular traditional streamers. The demand for an "anime friend" isn't as high as the demand for an "anime waifu/husband".

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>>764117
I've never heard of him until just now, but in what way? Is it my enunciation?

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>>765617
this. telling people "just be a bro" isn't good enough when traditional streamers already do it and better since they've had more time to develop the craft.

>>765621
your accent, at least in the short bit that you gave

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>>765617
That's not what I'm saying.

If you still can't grasp what I'm expressing after I've laid it out several different ways, I just can't help you, man. I don't know how to explain it any other way.

Good luck with whatever approach you plan to use I guess.

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Should I buy overlays or is it something I could make myself?

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>>764675
>The problem is that weebs are psychotically gynocentric in an already gynocentric western culture. They, obsessing over femininity with religious fervor, don't understand that there are other types of love you can lean on.
As if it's any different for real cam whores. If you're a guy, you'll not even be second class, you'll be a whole magnitude below any female. There's just no market for female escapism. And the few who hole up end up here and watch hololive girls like the rest of us.

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I'm not a native English speaker and have a very heavy and ugly english spic accent (i.e unlike irnmouse's cute spanish). I mostly watch en/jp vtubers but I just can't get into vtubers from my own country because I absolutely abhor how the fanbase is here so if I ever stream I want to do it by speaking in English.
What are my chances to ever get more than 10 viewers?

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>>766174
You can learn a new accent for your character, y'know.