/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How do you enjoy JP chuubas without actually speaking Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't. I skip those.

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>>72645127
日本語を勉強してください、アノンさん。

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>>72645127
cute noises, cute engrish. all i need.

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>>72645395
Not OP, but kanji are fucking scary. how the fuck are you supposed to learn like 2000 of them?

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>>72645395
コトワルゾ

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>>72645127
The last JP stream I watched was when Suisei was doing Duolingo and screamed like a recorder.

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>>72645127
I used to do it all the time.
Still do

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>>72645127
Clips with subs

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>>72645127
I don't. I just pretend that I speak Japanese and berate those who don't on /vt/.

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>>72645666
How do you pretend without actually speaking? Google translate?

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>>72645127
Alot of the bigger JP chuubas are good at speaking slower for new JP learners, and still having interactions with ENs in chat overall.

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>>72645127
you get better understanding overtime as you listen to it more.

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>>72645127
I used to be able to sit through JP streams, but now they aren't engaging enough. I tune out and it's troubling me because I want to be able to again.

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>>72645127
I'm Japanese can't catch English
But I enjoy Biboo's DD2 stream
It's funny for me everytime when she yeeted NPCs
You don't need to understand the languages. Just feel it

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>>72645127
It's something called "learning".
You can start to understand languages you don't know the more you study or become familiar with them.
Many of us have been watching vtubers for 4 years or more. If you haven't picked up any nihongo by now, you should probably go back to twitch flesh streamers because Japanese hobbies aren't for you.

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>>72645127
You don't. No one outside of Japan should be wasting their time with JP.

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>>72645223
>I skip those
>Post JP
Why are sisters like this?

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>>72645127
I can understand it because i have watched too much JP content from anime to vtubers. I just cant fuckin read nipon letters.

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>>72645528
you start with like, the hundred most used ones and then gradually add a few more as you go on.

[Anonymous No.]

英語だけ原人が最低ね~

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>>72645127
You don't. Unless you enjoy learning japanese by watching JP chuubas, which is a valid and worthwhile exercise. 練習しろ

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>>72645127
just
learn

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>>72645127
They have cute voices that are pleasing to listen to.

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>>72645528
whilst I don't like the idea of shilling a paid service, I used wanikani and I thought it worked very well. I stopped eventually because I'm fucking lazy. But at higher levels, the kanji become the not-so-commonly used kanji and you'll just learn those from exposure maybe. Or not.

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>>72645528
just do what they said >>72646035
but also remember, language learning is a sport not a field of study. 90% practice, 10% theory. just keep doing reps and watching streams and you'll slowly start to pick up more. Try pausing a stream and noticing the new kanji, see if you can identify the radicals or the sound, say neat, and then go back to watching
it takes jpniki until high school and beyond to learn most of the kanji, just like it did for you and vocabulary.
Protip: you really don't need to know how to write them all, but you do need to understand stroke order. Just learn the basics, and then start slowly gathering extra info as you run across it.
Like "oh, that kanji has this pronunciation too, interesting" and make a flashcard. Same kinda thing as starting to recognize prefixes and suffixes, separating out root words, and all of the other things you learned to do in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72645683
ﾌﾟｰｱﾘｰ

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>>72645528
Don't learn kanji. Learn vocabulary and associate kanji with meaning. You'll know how to read kanji by deriving the meaning from context.
People will chime in with this onyomi and kunyomi bullshit, but you're not learning chinese, and there's literally no reason to know every reading any individual kanji can have if you're just learning JP for the sake of watching chuubas.
You can honestly just watch JP-subtitled vtuber clips for immersion only, slowly pick up words, and be good-to-go for most conversational level JP in like a year if you do like ~4 hours a day of reps probably.

Note, I didn't say anything about learning how to write or speak, so if you're willing to omit those things, you can expedite a lot of time spent if all you want to do is consume and not output the language at all.

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>>72645127
I'm learning, tomorrow's a week in.

[Anonymous No.]

今からここは日本語だけスレ
EOP OUT

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>>72646040
文明与えたのに断るんだ…仕方がありませんね、ちゃんと教えましょう

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>>72645127
I know some of the words they use. Sometimes that's more than enough to figure out the context.

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>>72645127
cute noises are universal language

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>>72646305
It's basically like this anon said.
Learn hiragana and katakana. It's easy and it's good for things outside of vtubers like video games and porn.
Then install a browser extension like Rikai-kun or the alternative one that a lot of people like.
Then just watch streams and eventually you'll notice patterns like how everyone in chat types 悲しい when something sad happens. Mouse over it and the extension will give you the reading in hiragana and the definition.
Do this for long enough and you should be able to recognize a lot more kanji in a fun, organic way.

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>>72645127
korone i feel is very eop friendly
do your reps tho faggot

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>>72645127

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>>72647317
Rikai-kun is a godsend, and the secret weapon that I use on a daily basis
t. interpreter that sucks at kanji but still has to translate documents sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

People twisting themselves into pretzels to avoid learning a few hundred kanji while everyone learning chinese pumps out 10-20 a week needs to be studied.

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>>72645127
...

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>>72645127
Because Japanese is over 50% English words.
I don't speak Japanese, I still get the jist of what's happening.

Also subtitles.

Also they often speak English anyway.

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>>72648081
If someone writes a paper on that, I want to be one of the first to read it

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>>72645127
Also, even if you don't know any Japanese, Youtube's automatic translated closed captions have gotten a lot better over the years. They're available on most VODs.
You can also open the VOD transcript in the video's description and translate the page to English, which will also give you subtitles which are sometimes better.

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>>72645127
Clips, you fucking idiot.

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>>72648081
I felt like kanji was way more logical and natural when I was learning mandarin. The grammar, everything just fits with that flow. I mean, after you learn pinyin you really don't have a choice, but comparatively kanji always felt out of place in Japanese at first. It's weird having to add hiragana and modify the grammar that way, and sometimes they use them sometimes they don't, and it really doesn't fit into the logical frame of english...
once you learn japanese you become aware that it's fucking impossible to understand anything without context because it's literally vagueposting, the language.
at that point you buckle down and grind kanji, because it's the only context you get half the time. Then you realize.

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>>72645127
だから日本語を勉強しているんだよ!

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>>72645832
nobody called you a hecking ken-samerino yet
may i have the honors?

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>>72646517
>4 hours a day of reps
what the fuck do you even use those 4 hours for
anki reps usually take me barely an hour

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>>72648513
>Because Japanese is over 50% English words.
Nigga what universe do you live in? Japanese does incorporate a lot of loan words, but it's not high enough to make Japanese comprehensible without knowing the language. I guarantee if I made you watch a Kanata zatsudan stream, you would understand less than 1% of the stream if you don't speak Japanese.

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>>72646517
Anki should not take you 4 hours a day lol

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>>72645127
don't have to speak it, just need to understand it. Either through boatloads of hentai or looking at the person's facial expressions and tone of voice.

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>>72646139
I’ll recommend the “Learn Japanese! — Kanji” app by Luli Languages LLC instead. It’ll give you all the kanjis up to JLPT1 (as a one time purchase) for a fraction of the price of wanikani’s subscription service, and will also teach you words including all the different readings of a specific kanji. It also forces you to draw the kanji from memory which helps a lot with memorization.

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>>72645528
My nigger in function if you can’t even make yourself recognise nihon, go and benkyou instantly after a week of reps then maybe just end it all

[Anonymous No.]

women are much better if you don't understand what they are saying

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>>72645127
Because jp chuubas are CGDCT. No need to understand their language

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>>72649898
Never learn chinese, bro. We've been over this a million times and there is a famous copypasta about it.
Also, no. It's not going to help you more. You wasted your time. Japanese have tons of different readings that aren't in chinese.
The only thing it will help you with is getting a general idea of what they're saying, but you won't be able to read it or speak it.
Also, Japanese kanji is most similar to traditional chinese, not the retarded simplified shit from mainland china, which won't help you at all learning Japanese.

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>>72646712
天照様。。。この神様に与えられし言葉こそ、この世界に存ずる者がこなすべきであろう。未知ならば、我が聖なる軍が叩き込むと良いのでは。天皇陛下万歳!

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>>72650190
all the english they import is fucking wrong, and they use it in the shittiest way possible, and it is literally the most stressful part of my job when these fucking nips have some weird ass understanding of 和製英語 and literally ignore my interpretation, yomu the fucking kuuki of what they think the EOP is saying, and start trying to play 5d chess from a misunderstanding that i have to disenfuckingtangle for 10 minutes instead of just letting me be the fucking interpreter.
>>72650563
oh dont get me wrong bro, that was 1 semester over a decade ago. I didn't go down the chinese route, i was just comparing the two. But i agree with you 100%, learning chinese is a trap

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>>72650820
meant for
>>72648513
すまん

[Anonymous No.]

women dont have anything worth hearing
and japanese girls make cute noises

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>>72645127
I mostly watch stream as BGM then if i watch clips or just come here to see if something happened, this way i don’t waste too much time on streams and i miss almost nothing

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>>72650820
>these fucking nips have some weird ass understanding of 和製英語 and literally ignore my interpretation, yomu the fucking kuuki of what they think the EOP is saying, and start trying to play 5d chess from a misunderstanding
Basically Anycolor's response to the fans during the Selen drama

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>>72651672
yes. A competent interpreter could have completely prevented this entire nijisanji situation. whereas a malicious interpreter, theoretically, absolutely could have created this entire clusterfuck

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>>72651889
Really activates the almonds...

[Anonymous No.]

Because Sora has Moro.

[Anonymous No.]

I went to Japan and holofes without knowing Japanese

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>>72652536
based, get an std test

[Anonymous No.]

i watch EN.

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>>72652637
implying he scored any lmao

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>>72652811
fucking EOP probably sat down in the squat toilets like a kiddie pool, i'm just trying to look out for him

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>>72645127
Mr. Koro is to EOPs what Jerry Lewis is/was to the French. The bonus is that she only gets funnier the more you do your reps.

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>>72645528
Almost half of HoloJP can only read the most common kanji. Hell a handful of them have trouble reading even common kanji. Haato in particular.
So you see, you can be basically illiterate and still function in Japan.

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>>72652852
jealous?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72653124
extremely

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>>72653074
HoloX handwriting review
>Top left: Rui (feminine)
>Mid: Lapsama (chuuni but clean)
>Top right: Koyo (kawaii)
>Btm Right: Gozaru (kawaii)
>Bottom left: Sakamata
>sakamata
what the fuck is that

[Anonymous No.]

>>72645528
Whenever you learn a new word, memorize that word's kanji. Kanji in Japanese is basically like the equivalent to spelling in English.

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>>72645223
well said

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>>72653413
pretty sure that's cuneiform

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>>72653413
what the fuck

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>>72645127
I used to watch holo jp but after coming across phase connect I'm having less time to watch them since I can get my daily chaos in English.

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>>72645127
?

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>>72645127
By learning Japanese while watching

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>>72645223
the irony of posting this with a mococo gif

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>>72645127
You learn it. I don't know it myself but I'm beginning to pick up bits and pieces. If you're interested in non-fucked japanese media you might as well.

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>>72664416
>>72645993
Mococo and fuwawa want both their jp senpai and ruffians to themselves.

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>>72645223
最初最高

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>>72645127
You say that like catalogfags watch streams in general

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>>72668595
You act as if generalfags watch streams instead of just image dumping

[Anonymous No.]

I like their voice

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>>72668692
>>72668595
oh cool guys are into anime too

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>>72645127
my grandma was raped by japanese soldiers so I technihaclly have japanese blood and enjoy japanese content spiritually

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>>72645127
With an AI translator into text subtitle

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>>72645127
I spam english comments until they acknowledge me. And before you ask, no, I don't send superchats or stay on any kind of topic.

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>>72645127
Because I have eyes and watch streams? I don't need to understand JP to know what they are reacting in the game. Korones Doom streams are still top tier. Chatting streams are the ones I skip

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>>72650187
>>72650235
Not that anon but if you're assuming reps means anki you're ngmi. Obviously those hours should be spent immersing in native content

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>>72645127
They cant hear when i talk to them so i dont need to learn how to speak it, simple as. しかし僕は日本語を勉強するよ

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>>72645528
>kanji are fucking scary
Don't worry, that never goes away.
I mean, not even most native Japanese speakers know every single kanji. People mostly just know the most used ones in conversation and leave it at that.

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>>72670807
Anki is fucking overrated anyways

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>>72645528
You just learn the common daily life ones. You would die before learning them all AND using them all

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>>72645528
Kanji isn't even the hard part about learning Japanese, it's not even the 2nd hardest part.

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>>72645528
How did you learn the names of hundreds of pokemon when you were a kid?

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>>72671180
I remember hearing that most Japanese people can't use their own language above JLPT N3 level, which honestly wouldn't shock me considering here in England most people suck at English. It gives me confidence that if I actually put my mind to it the language wouldn't be that difficult.

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>>72671511
The hardest part is names because they use their own kanji readings and half the time are completely ad-hoc to the point where even Japanese people have no clue how to read tons of names and telling others how to read your name is commonplace. The second hardest part is katakana because THAT'S NOT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE THAT WORD YOU SLITTY EYED FUCKS

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>>72645528
Most Japanese don't learn all of them, a good chunk aren't used in daily life.

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>>72645127
99% of the people who say they speak Japanese are just LARPing clip watchers. Then you get fags like this >>72645395 who copy/paste a Japanese phrase from somewhere like that proves anything.

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>>72671942
Tbh what that guy said was pretty basic Japanese, he literally just said "Study Japanese please, Anon-san".

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>>72671582
That's fairly accurate, in the same way that most americans can't pass the TOEFL

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>>72645127
I started learning in 2021 out of spite after repeatedly being called an EOP on /jp/
Since then, I passed N1 with 160 points and currently practicing to take 漢字検定 (not sure which level yet). Also will either take BJT and move to Japan or take EJU and try to get into a university there at some point. All of this just to spite those eternal N3 faggots who were claiming to know Japaneae but still relying on clips made by ESLs.

[Anonymous No.]

I like the sound of their voice, and it's not that hard to pick up on the context of what they're saying.

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>>72645127
This is how newfags out themselves, we grew exclusively with jp chuubas, we're used to relying on chat-translater bro or just going off vibes.
Haachama speaking a smidgen of English was a big deal, Coco was a game changer.
These fetuses taking eigo chuubas fro granted don't deserve the peace they're given.

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>>72650820
>the most stressful part of my job when these fucking nips have some weird ass understanding of 和製英語 and literally ignore my interpretation, yomu the fucking kuuki of what they think the EOP is saying, and start trying to play 5d chess from a misunderstanding that i have to disenfuckingtangle for 10 minutes
Any fun examples?

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>>72672373
Now we have Ririka and no one cares...

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>>72645528
If your goal is consuming content, you don't need to learn how to write which is the hard part imo. Reading is much easier. It's been years since I've started learning, but kanji really gets a bad reputation. Every new learner often fails/gives up because they're scared of the big bad kanji but you can choose to not to "learn" all of them in one go. Put a bit of effort into it and it's totally doable. I learned like 700-800 of them while studying grammar and moved stopped. And by learning I don't even mean completely remembering the meaning and readings. I just familiarized myself with them and I did around 20 a day which just takes about a month+. Even then I would argue that you don't need to start with that many. There are people out there that learned 2100 in one go without learning any actual Japanese and get burnt out. There are multiple readings to a kanji but you pick them up as you learn words and eventually you'll be able to start guessing the readings on new words. New kanji will be learned in context with the word. Learning them in isolation is pretty unnecessary. Once you familiarize yourself with recognizing different characters, the newer ones become much easier. Anki has a ton of beginner kanji decks that people can do which streamlines the learning honestly.

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>>72671582
>>72672243 (Me)
>Japanese people can't use their own language above JLPT N3 level
This is retarded and whoever told this to you were lying. Every non retarded Japanese can pass N1 with zero issue. They know all 2,136 常用漢字 as it is a requirement to learn the in high school and that's just the common use ones, if you want to read books, you're gonna need more. However, it's nowhere near as difficult as most people make it out to be, just don't do any retarded heisig meme method, learn vocabulary instead. After like 2 years you can easily read at a high school level.

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>>72672454
>Every non retarded Japanese can pass N1 with zero issue
Note how you cut the word "most" out of my post, and then shifted the goalposts further by adding "non-retarded" to your post. I assure you, every non-retarded English native can pass English proficiency tests with ease, because if we just ignore that most people are retarded suddenly we can paint a picture that doesn't exist. You are arguing in bad faith and really should shut up.

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>>72672454
>Every non retarded Japanese can pass N1 with zero issue. They know all 2,136 常用漢字 as it is a requirement to learn the in high school
Thanks for the hearty chuckle bro

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>>72672593
No, I was very clearly saying that you actually have to be mentally challenged as a native to not pass a language test as difficult as middle coolers take. Because N3 is around that level or even lower. Even in N1, literally nothing will be above high school level, you have to get only 100 points out of 180 to pass and it doesn't even fucking have an output section. If they can't pass N1 they can't read the news or even play most games comfortably.

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>>72672804
>middle coolers
middle schoolers
Also, JLPT levels are multiple choice, you don't even have to know the answer, you just have to get it right out of 4 options. It's honestly ridiculous, which is why everyone who's been learning Japanese for a while don't take it seriously. Being able to pass N1 means you're intermediate, it's like having a B2 English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72672454
No, most Japanese do not know 2000+ kanji
>>72672593
No, most Americans will not pass English proficiency tests

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>>72672384
I had a meeting once where I was translating for JPsan about what ENsan's project schedule was for some activity not in Japan. But ENsan said "Yeah, we'll be going there to start this project next week", which I appropriate corrected to specifically indicate "there" meant his local place.
The next day, I get a message from JPside and they're like "Hey we heard they're coming to Japan next week, we've started looking into hotels for them and cleaning the place up what kind of food do they like so we can make dinner reservations, we've got all these preparations to make"
...nigga what? He told his managers that ENsan was going to JAPAN, NEXT WEEK, and made a huge deal about it. I had to pull chat logs and politely explain in excruciating detail to him and his manager how he had massively misunderstood the situation by reading waaaaay to much detail into the word "there". JPsan got moved to a different department that didn't have to do any overseas work.

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>>72672804
>No, I was very clearly saying that you actually have to be mentally challenged as a native to not pass a language test as difficult as middle coolers take.
I dont know anon I'd say this would be a monumental task for a lot of native English speakers.

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>>72672804
Have you ever stepped out of your house and interacted with the average person on the street in your country? Western high schools teach algebra. If you were to present those people with an algebra problem, do you think they'd be able to solve it?

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>>72672804
>N3
>middle school
are you high?

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>>72672901
Sounds about right. I can imagine contextual vagueness of English can be a big issue, though why one would ignore clarifications is its own issue.

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>>72672905
>a monumental task for a lot of native English speakers
A monumental task if you don't put much effort into it, otherwise you can do it in a year.
>>72672976
You're right, I was exaggerating. The N3 test requires words like 正直 or 商人 it has to be below that.

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>>72673082
>A monumental task if you don't put much effort into it
I don't think the average individual is putting much effort into proper grammar.

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>>72673168
I'm fairly certain that <50% of English natives can use their/they're/there correctly, and God HELP you if you ask them how to use possessive apostrophes.

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>>72673082 (Me)
Most people pass N1 when their actual abilities would translate to B1-B2 on CEFR and someone with B2 can barely communicate as you can see that on this board every day.

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>>72671582
>I remember hearing that most Japanese people can't use their own language above JLPT N3 level
This is only half true. Most japanese people would fail JLPT N4 and N5 if they had to take it on the spot. And that is 90% down to not being able to write some kanji without looking them up.
This is a consequence of writing them by hand a lot less (virtually never) these days and not a fault of the language.

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>>72645127

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>>72672804
>or even play most games comfortably.
Most games are made for kids, and usually feature only basic kanji WITH furigana. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>72673385
You do not have to write a single kanji in JPLT

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>>72673385
Except those tests don't ask you to write kanji? You're one of those faggots from /jp/ who just wants to feel smarter than others because you know N3 Japanese.

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>>72673435
You are retarded and have never played a game in Japanese, most likely don't even watch streams. What you're saying is only true about things like Pokemon, but a game like Yakuza absolutely does feature regular Japanese and something like Elden Ring or anything that takes place in a historical setting will have more rare kanji on average than any JLPT test ever. Even fucking Genshin Impact or any similar gacha game have difficult to read words, they even detail their readings on gaming sites https://gamesink.net/genshin/articles/2680

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>>72673383
I agree with that, met plenty of N1 havers who couldn't handle talking to the bank. I think like most tests in Japan, it does a great job of showing off how much you can ganbaru and memorize shit but very little to indicate actual communication ability. Also met plenty of TOEIC 800+ motherfuckers who autistically memorized all the grammar and vocab but couldn't actually talk to me without spaghetti erupting from every orifice

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>>72645801
>You don't need to understand the languages. Just feel it
So true

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>>72673385
Not writing stuff by hand is pretty much global thing. To me it is waste of time these days and I can't even image how slow it must be to write kanji by hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>72673801
>Just learn correct stroke order GAIJIN

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>>72673801
like most things, the boomers did reps and make it seem fast but it's just a waste of time, like taking a screenshot of a PDF and printing it so you can fax it to someone and call them to confirm they got the fax

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>>72673729
N1 does not have an output section, which is simultaneously a good and a bad thing. It's bad, because it only requires you to memorize, not to practice, so you might end up being able to pass N1 due to your reinforced test taking skills itself, while being unable to buy stuff in a konbini. However, it's like that, because finding certified Japanese teachers who can score your output would be insanely expensive. JLPT is one of the cheapest language tests around, there are countries where you can take it for $15.
Here's a few earlier tests cause clearly some of the thread has no idea what they look like
https://dethitiengnhat.com/jlpt/N3

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>>72673950
Yeah compare that to EIKEN with it's interview portion. I moonlighted as a proctor a few times, was good money but excruciating amounts of spaghett

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>>72673729
>>72673950 (Me)
Often you ca also just cheat, they don't take timezones into consideration and chinks always upload the questions somewhere, because they take it earlier, I know a person who passed N1 this way.

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>>72674206
wow fuck those people, why didn't I know about that when I was taking it lol.

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>>72674257
It got so out of hand that they had to put out a statement, but they can't prove if you cheated so nobody will care.
https://www.jlpt.jp/e/topics/202401191708325175.html

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>>72674377
ah yes, the normal JP approach
>put out a statement
>everyone will naturally comply, problem solved
also kek english page but specifically added viet

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>>72673842
sure buddy. Have you seen Chloes hand writing?

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>>72674754
Damn, Lamy can't read Japanese, what a できない rumao.

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>>72674754
>>72674821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXcBd_ooNlY

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>>72670807
>immersing in native content
yeah, hololive streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>72673729
It turns out that the only way to truly properly learn a language is to either grow up with that language being spoken to you or spend a decade living in the country where thar language is spoken

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>>72675670
as someone who did the latter, agreed

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>>72645127
Some of the girls are legitimately entertaining even if you don't understand the language. Like Pekora for example, you can kind of get the gist of what she's saying based on tone and what is happening in the game. That's the difference between a true entertainer and someone who isn't. A true entertainer can entertain someone who doesn't even speak their language. Subaru is like that too.

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>>72645127
>OP doesn't speak Japanese through osmosis

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>>72672018
Sure, but it sounds kinda unnatural/robotic. I'm by no means fluent but my first though when seeing this was that he just copypasted from google/deepL.

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>>72675798
I like Okayu and Watame because I know a little Japanese and they speak very clearly. Also Okayu has been playing Factorio and has an on-screen automatic translator that seems to do a fairly good job. Luna is good because her late night streams are relaxing, and Korone is just the Queen of entertainment. Fuck watching anyone who machine guns their speech like Marine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72675813
神道の浸透で、新党が現れた

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>>72675898
Robotic is perfectly fine. You wouldn't expect a Japanese person to speak fluent English, and they don't expect that from you either.

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>>72645127
You can get the gist of it from expressive ones and context clues based on what's happening in the game. Plus with some of them like Korone and Miko you get hilarious Engrish occasionally.
Henya is my oshi, though, since she combines the kawaiiness of a Japanese chuuba with mostly English streams.

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>>72675925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmT3v8VH4Q
練習しろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>72676065
LOOK DUDE IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME WITHOUT THE PIKAMEE MODEL

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>>72671582
>I remember hearing that most Japanese people can't use their own language above JLPT N3 level
That's absolutely not true, what? N3 is the level a child would be at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72676083
>renshuu shiro
no >:(

怠惰な

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>>72645127
like this

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>>72645127
Passion nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

For those seeking reps, watch JP clippers with JP subs. Focus on listening, but observe the subs. Don't pause to look up kanji, just absorb.
Do this every day for like 10 minutes, observe progress after a few weeks. Preferably, watch them talking about something you know about so you have context for your brain to make links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDzKhYl7Pb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP7T48r1lio

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>>72675925
Yeah Marine is rough because she is usually doing a zatsu so your context for what she's even talking about is much lower compared to others, without even factoring in her rapid fire way of speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72645127
You use them as motivation to do your reps.

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>>72675670
That's not true at all, you can find plenty of examples online of people learning languages to fluency and never setting foot in the country where it's spoken. This isn't the 80s, the internet exists and you can practice speaking and writing to natives without having to live there.

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>>72676398
I'm not actively trying to learn the language but I always look up Japanese clips of moments that I want to rewatch because it's so much easier to find them and there's no need to deal with the clipper's level of English.

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>>72645127

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>>72676734
That's smart, a lot of the clippers are SEA and their english is garbage, plus their JP is garbage so they're translating JP -> Bahasa/whatever -> EN and it's just frustrating out of context bullshit narrowed down to the coombait.
not that JP clippers are that much better, but less translation layers so you get the out of context coombait fresh, like the farmers market

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>>72645683
Anon, go give a try to ChatGPT 4 or similar.

[Ohayō !!m3ohWILTtMy No.]

>>72645127
You eventually figure out what they say the longer you watch.

[Anonymous No.]

さらばだ、蛮人ども

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>>72645127
You couldn't have picked a better board to ask, /vt/ is 90% people who pretend they can actually speak and understand Japanese

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>>72645127
One thing I really like about the Phase Connect JPs is they have real time translations during their streams. It's not perfect and it obviously fucks up sometimes but it does mean that I don't have to wait for a clipper to make an EN translation and can watch Nasa live.

[TAKESHI No.]

I NIHONGO JOUZU