/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

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V&U throwing shit on the fan. Best coast should get an opportunity to see it, too.

https://twitter.com/VNUofficial/status/1772156465547202587

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>>72244832
>we brought up concerns about the financial burden that could be put on her
Threatening the talent with money. Thanks for the self report I guess.

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>>72244832
seems like a shitty contract, but it feels like she could have had 0 trouble if she just completed her 3 year contract

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
The age of the LOLcow corpo is upon us.

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>>72244832
>Korean level of corpo slavery
Checks out, guess we know why a certain menhera hasn't quit yet.

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>>72244832
Now I wonder what happened to the twins, since they were koreans and could be held accountable in Korea.

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>>72245086
If the contract and workplace wasn't shitty, she wouldn't think of graduating

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>>72244832
Not even sure who to side with here. Serafi was even worse than Neena, but VNU is absolutely not handling this well. Asian agencies repeatedly keep failing to understand that westerners predominantly side with the employee over the corpo in disputes like this, especially when the corpo isn't established enough to have a proper reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
>you signed contlact
>you ma slave now

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care who is right or wrong, I just want total corpo death.

[Anonymous No.]

Previous thread
>72236847

>>72244832
V&U's thread of legal action sounds like they've given up on getting the $450,000 from her and want to try and sue her for libel instead.

Also /vnug/ has one very angry schizo who hates Pippa for some reason and projects it onto Serafi because they once collabed. He thinks she is the leader of /pol/ and wants to nuke his third world country or something.

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>>72244832
She should just stream on fansly and rate tributes.

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>>72244832
>>72245914
Did V&U actually ask for $454k? Asking because if it is, coincidentally someone is in the news for a $454million judgment. Both money amounts being a variation of 454 is just pretty funny, I guess.

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>>72245779
It's not the question of siding with the corpo, they just need to follow labour laws. Many corpos hire vtubers as contractors, but treat them like employees.

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V&U will be dead within a year, they're leaking money.

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>>72245956
She already told a guy that tributed to her that he had a nice cock during a GTA5 stream.

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>>72246188
I know she comments on his Twitter she enjoys them she should just full commit.

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>>72244832
Corpos need to know when it's better to just shut the fuck up.
This shit was already dying down, now they just rekindled it.

[Anonymous No.]

$450,000 USD? That's $610,000 CAD! Who has that kind of money?

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>>72246183
50+ employees not counting the vtubers.

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>>72246183
I will follow Echo anywhere
Echo my beloved
I will nuke a whole country for more of her cute laughs, several countries even.

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>>72246086
The amount was in Won, it only converted to 454k USD on that date.

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>>72246118
It's almost always the case that they ask for non-exclusivity so none of these corpo vtubers are contractors.
>>72246720
They should be counted

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>>72246118
Labour laws change constantly and it's never clear what they actually mean. I've worked in management and we don't know any more than you do. Usually we just pay them to avoid legal conflict.

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>>72245086
Legal Mindset didn't show her contract due to it having too much personal information, but he said there was absolutely nothing in it that indicated a termination fee, much less $450k. Them hitting her with something unreasonable like that was stupid, and suing (or at least threatening to sue) her over leaking it is even more stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

Legal action ikz
A three year contract is surprising, I would have assumed two years is the standard.

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>>72244832
Why can't they make these announcements in meme form? Or maybe at least add a letterhead or some graphics.

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>>72247197
3D animate it, righteous korean lawyers shooting down the evil angel serafi.

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I expect legal action to a recourse that only a dying corpo takes, because it puts their remaining talents under a great deal of pressure and dissuades any future talents from signing up. Wonder what they’re thinking now.

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>>72244832
>Looking back, it has not always been easy for us to work with her as we had to change and reassign her a new manager four times to meet her needs

Holy fuck, what an unnecessary piece of information that serves nothing but to tarnish reputation. It is very familiar one, but even Nijisanji only limited it to something to be perpetuated solely by NDF ground forces.

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>>72246183
They have some big ass corpo behind them, thry have plenty of money to leak.

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>>72247447
So did Prism Project, how's that going?

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>>72247515
The difference is that Sony merely owned Prism but didn't actually do anything with it. Investments zero.

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>>72244832
>We signed her for 3 years and spent a lot of money on her and she was a pain in the ass to manage
>She wanted out within a year for reasons completely unrelated to mismanagement
>We not-threatened her with exorbitant penalty fees for early contract termination
>She asked for receipts
>We sent her receipts - including thousands of dollars only marked as "etc", full payroll costs for multiple staff, and other things beyond model and equipment
>She took receipts to her lawyer and he said we are a bunch of clowns with no legal leg to stand on
>She ghosted us as per lawyer's advice
>She used alt account to make us look bad like the black company we definitely are not
>We are going to clear our name up by launching a transparently vindictive smear campaign and unpersoning her and deleting all her content that her old fans paid for and potentially starting a lawsuit (in what jurisdiction, who knows)
[you are here]

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>>72244832
koreans never back down because they are complete retards

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>>72247515
why are you dragging unrelated parties here? keep your shit within yourselves.

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>>72247125
One year is standard for vtubing. Niji does 2. I've never heard of 3 years.

[Anonymous No.]

At least I'm getting refunded for my membership. Thanks Serafi!

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>>72247552
This. You thought Japanese businessmen were inflexible and backwards thinking? Add to that an extreme hierarchal culture where even one year's age of difference means you have to act like a slave to an older person, where the Zaibatsus were never broken up and now run the country through a handful of wealthy families, where extreme competitiveness permeates daily life and sends kids to depression and suicide, where face-saving culture is turned to the max and all entertainers are held to impossibly high standards to maintain their image, and where corruption and exploitation are rampant in government, and you have Korea.

[Anonymous No.]

It would make sense to fine her for breaking the contract, maybe compensating for some of the model costs, but it still doesn’t make sense how they arbitrarily settled on that 454k figure.
Either way, even if she is a menhera they screwed up with their responses.

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>>72248051
Even if the 454k figure is right somehow, what exactly are they expecting the result to be? "Oh yeah, I have 454k in my back pocket right now, here!" There's no way she could pay that so even if they pursued it and got it held up in court, she'd just declare bankruptcy and discharge it. That it'll scare her into staying? They just said she's a pain to manage and vtubers are personality based, so if she's forced to vtube she'll never make them any money.
Just come up with a reasonable figure a human could pay, work the numbers to get to it, get a couple other concessions and take the rest as loss.

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>>72247541
they literally gave Shiki a Sony Music contract and produced Rita's ep

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>>72247740
They'll just add it to the bill they send her next

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>>72245086
What everyone seems to miss is her claim that they weren't paying her, which (if true) would either mean they breached first, or that the contract was invalid to begin with.

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>>72247447
If V&U has plenty of money, explain gen 4.

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>>72245779
They're both shit. The corpo is just more retarded and was slower to the first punch is all. You should just sit by with popcorn and laugh at these grown adults acting like children. Shitpost here and there about the both of them but don't bother taking a side because the talent in question is her own brand of retarded in this whole thing too.

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>>72247976
You forgot to add
>Korea is an American vassal state
>Their entire population is a testbead for new drugs and products
>Companies like McDonalds and Starbucks test products and marketing schemes in Korea before bringing them to the rest of the world because they know Koreans are very weak slaves and businesses can get away with a lot of experiments

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>>72248694
>explain gen 4
What? Is gen4 bad?

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>>72244832
Now what the fuck am i gonna do with my oshis, they for sure are not gonna renew their contract after this, echo, dk, suri, all of the new gen, and maybe even all of the talents are gonna get the fuck out of this dying corpo the moment they can, i will never find them as indies... Some probably are not even gonna go indie after this shit show

[Anonymous No.]

>>72248976
>not gonna renew their contract
Contract last 3 years
You're fine
Only worry is early leave

[Anonymous No.]

She just can't catch a break...

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>>72248976
Their contracts might not even be enforcable, every talent with half a brain will be checking with a lawyer. If V&U couldn't write a contract that was valid in the US, what are the odds they could write one for Suri or DK?

[Anonymous No.]

Woozie I know you're here. Run. Run now while you still have a chance

[Anonymous No.]

wait, was this girl Woozie?

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>>72249241
No, she's the new debut tiger loli

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>>72249241
No, Woozie is the new tiger loli

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>>72244832
>calculated amount with full breakdown
>Etc.

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>>72249286
>>72249293
dang didn't know that.
here I thought she would've been in Phase's Gen3 or Idol's Gen3. Thought she'd aim higher than V&U

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>>72249459
you say that as if Idol isn't one of the blackest companies in vtubing

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>>72249459
anon... phase gen3 was 100% nepo hires
if woozy wanted in, she should have been kissing Pippa or Lia ass 2 years ago
Every new girl can be traced back to one of the two or tsunderia

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>>72249590
compared idol's termination letter for pochi with v&u's for serafi
it's night and day
there is not enough eivdence to claim that idol is black beyond unverifiable schizo rrats
so far idol is at worse just grey while v&u is certified black

[Anonymous No.]

Is it normal in small corpos for vtubers to stream on alt accounts and promote their upcoming indie re-debut? Because....

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>>72248478
I doubt it's true, and certainly not the full story. Withholding pay would have more than one talent looking to leave.

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>>72244832
LOL SERAFI AND SELEN SEEMS BESTFRIENDS

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>>72249739
Ok, but what about the manager who was fucking Riro Ron? Having sexpests managing talents seems like a black corpo move.

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>>72249739
>fired a girl for doing drugs on stream
>fired the head talent manager who hired all the talents because he was having sex with talents
>graduated 3 gen1's because of poor performance
>coni is back on her pl
>yuko was gone for months because of how unhappy she is
>just fired pochi
yeah bro Idol runs a clean operation

[Anonymous No.]

>>72249837
Stop noticing things, dramafags can't handle it.
It has to be black because Doki told them it is

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>>72248226
If they really are spending 400k over 3 years on a 3view who might bring in $20-$30k in revenue on a good year, they really are going to go out of business very quickly. They have 19 other vtubers. That's spending millions of dollars to get back *maybe* 100k. Maybe.

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>>72249873
And they fired him for it. If omniscience is a requirement to not be a black company I think many would struggle.

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>>72249879
This looks like an unbiased and accurate accounting of events.

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>>72249873
They don't purposefully recruit for managers that will get into relationships with the girls. There's not exactly a fill-in box on the application form for that. Shit happens, they fired the dude.

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>>72249799
she wanted to leave in Dec/Jan but they wouldn't let her go and slapped the 450k fine.
at that point there is no other way to get the word out than to stream on alt

[Anonymous No.]

Korean company running on local idol industry rules. Nobody should be surprised about this. That industry is fucked and no western employee would agree with their way of doing things.

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>>72250004
>...because Doki told them it is
I think you are in the wrong thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Gen 1:
Liora - gone the second her contract is up. Indie model 3.0 is almost ready for debut
Kokone - views vtubing as a hobby, has a real fulltime job, probably cares the least about contracts
Lofi - already checked out, just riding it out until the contract ends.
Twins - disappeared by V&U years ago, never mentioned again.

Gen 2:
Serafi - terminated, pending lawsuits
Amoria - company runt, basically being left to fend for herself. Lives in Korea so probably stuck with shitty korean contract terms. Can't imagine either side wanting to renew her contract.

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>>72249135
Her new model is such ass

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>>72249879
Idol could have swept it under the rug but they went out of their way to fire Riro and Tomer at the same time so nobody would ever hire Tomer to be a manager ever again.
Everything else fell apart because Tomer was crucial to the operation and without him, none of the girls knew what to do and the other staff have no idea how to operate.
Your gish gallop only has one true argument and it's Tomer and Riro fucking. Everything else is related to Tomer being gone and Idol having to restructure without him or rrats.
There was no better way to handle this when Aviel discovered what Tomer was doing and that was to come clean and tell the fans and he did even if that meant the whole operation got shaken

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>>72250342
Amoria is the company employee's pet that they take out to drink and dine hint hint she'll be fine no matter how much of a runt she is

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>>72250342
>Twins
That's a different pair of twins for any baubaus reading this

[Anonymous No.]

vnu is collapsing?
finally, it's time for /kr/ to return

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>>72250342
If there's one thing V&U proved with their twins is that having separate channels was a bad idea.

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>>72250649
You can always just remake it

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>>72250649
last I checked, /vnug/ refused to bake a new thread
you could get the jump on them if you have the balls

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>>72244832
Welcome to the gook land

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>>72247109
I don’t know who legal mindset is but he’s fucking retarded and you’re even dumber than he is. If the contract comes with a salary type deal you can’t quit and they can’t fire you without one of you stepping outside the binds of the contract. If YOU want to end it early you have to pay out what you owe and if they want to end it earlier THEY have to buy out your contract. It’s standard procedure for everything in the entertainment industry or any high end position.

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>>72247550
>'you are here' post
>nothing after the 'you are here'
Lazy ass fake ass Nostradamus.

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>>72251080
You only have to if you wish to keep practicing in the same industry/joining another company

If Serafi quit and just left vtubing, nobody cares. You can't force someone to work because they signed a contract and refuse to release them. That is called slavery.

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>>72251080
Your law degree is from where, exactly?

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>>72250937
>and Hime Rie is menhera sperging on alt about Phase being too slow to produce cover songs
Girl don't know how good she has it

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>>72251397
headcannon: the post

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>>72251234
>>72251236
You two are speaking to a korean. They don't understand that people from other countries are free from their 2nd-rate country's 3rd-rate clown laws

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>>72251397
While I take anything involving Rie with a grain of salt since I refuse to touch that particular tranny-lovign mess, phase DOES take a shitload of time for no discernible reason sometimes. Uruka recently released a song she record in fucking 2021 along with her new model, which they had for around an year already.

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>>72251460
the last two melties Rie did was about Pippa's fans spamming in her music group's waiting room for a new song release and the old music manager ghosting and then revealing she was too sick to work anymore.
this is 100% a music thing. rie has twice as many covers as lumi and 4 times as uruka. it's the only thing she cares about enough to bitch for

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>>72244956
most companies wouldn't even blink before throwing you contract termination bill.
so compared to norm, it's actually quite nice of them to verify before finalizing the decision

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>>72251632
Phase will N E V E R be a music company.
Their best singer would be the 10th best singer in PRISM, who all are now free agents.

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>>72251572
> refuse to touch that particular tranny-lovign mess
funny thing to say in a thread about v&u

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>>72251763
Why? Are some of them troons?

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>>72249879
The Pochi situation is very different than how you're phrasing it. She quit and planned on quitting even before her second donothon, she even tried to pull a Dokibird but failed because
>A) She was an unreliable streamer for a long period of time, despite being prioritized over the other two idolHE girls in terms of new models/donothon support. As a result she didn't have enough goodwill among her fans considering her stories never added up
and
>B) People immediately (and probably rightfully) assumed that she was just trying to run off with the money.

Idol has its flaws like how they handled merch, and how they didn't seem to be aware of the Riro situation at all. But they're not black company-tier either.

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>>72246922
Ah. Complete coincidence then. Thanks.

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>>72251632
>her music group
are they even doing anything anymore? shit was a flop nobody cared.
I guess that is the price they pay for picking all girls who have no hype and bring no excitement.

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>>72251852
One of the individuals who people complained about Rie collabing with is now in V&U.

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>>72251896
>despite being prioritized over the other two idolHE girls in terms of new models/donothon support
as she should she made Idol more money than the 2 HE girls combined.
The 2 HE girls are so dogshit they had to join their kouhai's branch. That is like your little brother giving you, the older brother, a job.

[Anonymous No.]

>V&U thread
>look inside
>Idol and Phase

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>>72236847

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>>72251080
>I don’t know who legal mindset is but he’s fucking retarded
he's the dramafags' new fleshtuber oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72252124
Black company unity

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>>72251988
A/LURE released one song, wasn't received that well initially, has gotten decent views. There isn't any hype with them tho it has kind of fizzled out.

More people were excited for A/SLUR and they aren't even real.

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>>72251988
Anon made a better music group PLAP
>Pippa
>Lia
>Airi
>Panko
They have 2 tall ones and 2 short ones
That shit would sell

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>>72244832
Do asian cultures consider this kind of thing effective? If it actually harmed your rep then stop fucking talking about it, don't make a fucking announcement.
Why does it keep happening?

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>>72247436
Also, massive skill issue if you failed four times.

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>>72252414
It's supposed to be a gun that's pointed at the employees heads and was never meant to be fired. Just letting her go tells every other talent that the gun is just for show.

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>>72252124
Idol literally terminated Pochi yesterday and then V&U comes in with this shit. It's natural for the discussion to overlap. Everyone in the small corpo scene went into Phase. Cyberlive fans went to Phase, Tsunderia fans went to Phase, AkioAir fans went to Phase, Amberglow fans went into Phase, VReverie fans went to Phase, NexStage fans went to Phase, and now even big league Nijisisters are going to Phase. It's only natural that the small corpo scene cares about small corpos. It just so happened that 50% of small EN corpos died and went into Phase

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>>72252414
It is effective in the sort of insular culture where things never go public and a particular boss not liking you can blacklist you from the whole industry. Basically the osrt of thing that NijiJP&friends pull of in Japan.

This system breaks down entirely when it's an international job. "Woe is me, WACTOR wants to ruin my life... hey look, a canadian corpo is hiring!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>72253002
Wait a minute are you telling me that globalism is GOOD?!!!
Phasekeks... we were wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>72249590
BWAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>72253208
Name a worse one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72253242
niji

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>>72253208
idol is the company that scouted a big youtuber to be a vtuber, groomed and had one of their own staff fuck her, and then fired her. If that isn't vantablack tier then I don't know what is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
>3 year contract
what the fuck, she's a smaller indie, what dirt does she have on them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72253463
Because the manager fucking her wasn't actually part of the corporation's plan, and he was fired for it too.

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>>72253463
>>72253625
People keep speaking about it but gloss over the fact that dude was responsible for hiring all the girls.
If your oshi is in Idol I feel bad for you, for she went through the casting couch lmao

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>>72253184
It has it's upsides, but there are also downsides. If someone rips you off in Korea, China, Japan such as withholding your earnings or something like that you basically have no real legal recourse to get it back. It would cost more to get it back, if you even could, than you would actually get.

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>>72253708
It's not very realistic. Everyone lives all over the world. Dude didn't fly out to like 5 different locations and try to get girls to sleep with him for a lower-mid tier vtuber spot. Riro is just a ho that either genuinely liked the guy OR thought it was better her standing in the company.

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>>72244832
Tomomi...
Zeli...

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>>72253849
Tomer has a house in Europe and an Apartment in Israel and during his time in Europe he had access to all the idol talents who live in europe which are more than half of them. Does this mean the American idol girls are more likely to be safe and unplapped? Depends if they took any European Vacations

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>>72253949
Alternatively, he just went with the unstable junkie girl who also whored out to her paypigs.

[Anonymous No.]

Serafi is going to lose.

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>>72254035
Riro putting out for her biggest donors makes the situation a little more forgivable
but if any other idol girls were fucking tomer and holding out on their fans, well that doesn't sit right

[Anonymous No.]

>>72254058
good i hope she does im tired of these whores infesting and killing vtubing we need someone to fall so they fuck off back to twitchwhoring

[Anonymous No.]

There's zero chance they sue her over the contract. If they lose, all their US based talents will know the contract is worthless and they could walk at any time. They'll probably try to get her for libel but I doubt that will succeed either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72254588
>libel
roru glhf

[Anonymous No.]

>>72254058
>>72254559
Retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>72245912
It’s truly the only way

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>>72254588
>libel
>in the US
Extremely difficult and high burden of proof. If they sue her and lose they'll know the contracts are worthless, if she walks they'll know the contracts are worthless. They're in a bad spot if other people are just waiting to leave.

[Anonymous No.]

two of their new gen just canceled their streams at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
Nice, this retarded trailer trash whore belongs in phase connect anyways

[Anonymous No.]

its not looking good for Serafi. Sounds like what they sent her was not a invoice but just a statement of costs, just as people here were expecting. Essentially the company was trying to guilt her into staying by showing how much theyve invested in her. But it wasnt an invoice, and now shes caught for lying.

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>>72246450
funny you posted that because she's extremely angry at serafi

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>>72256356

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>>72256356
>Sounds like what they sent her was not a invoice but just a statement of costs,
"Sounds like" according to the voices in your head, schizosama.

>just as people here were expecting
No one would be expecting this, in normal countries you don't get sent a bill when you leave a company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256478
woozie just got there and has no right to be angry at anybody but herself for signing with an obvious black corpo (again)

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>>72256356
She didn't ask for a "statement of costs" she specifically asked for the amount required to terminate her contract. If I go to a restaurant and ask for the bill you don't come out to me with the invoice of how much it costs to operate the restaurant for a month.

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>>72256567
well if her contract is anything like Serafi's, she's stuck there for 3 years so I hope she enjoys it

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256356
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
>black text
>white background
that's pretty standard for a letter. inverse coloring would indicate the talent's passing, zoomer-chama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256538
Have you ever left a company before the end of a fixed term contract?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256606
Where doe she live?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256606
She can just leave. Contracts like that aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can't sign your rights away.

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>>72256356
>After that, Serafi officially asked us to give her an estimate of the amount she may have to pay to terminate the contract in compensation for our loss and damages. We accordingly gave her a calculated amount with a full breakdown.
Yeah, I'm going to take her side on this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256650
Newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>72256538
>>72256569
and wheres your evidence for your claims? Serafi claims some things, v&u claims the other. youve only seen a snippet of the statement and heard some of her side, do you realize how schizo you sound? i know you like serafi, but be rational and wait for all the evidence to come out. i am speaking based on seeing only a portion of a statement that didnt specifically state an amount due, and the statements made by serafi and the company. any rational person would come to the conclusion that it was a statement of costs unless you think v&u is lying? even nijisanji didnt lie in their public statements because the law is involved, they just threw everyone under the bus making happening behind the scenes public. to believe this is an actual invoice youd have to believe v&u is straight up lying caught in 4k jeopardizing their case against serafi against their lawyers advice, and we all know thats not whats happening here.

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>>72244832
They'll actually go fucking bankrupt if they pursue this case lmao. There's no way any first world country would take this asian slavery contract seriously and they'd have to pay Serafi for damaging her reputation.
Why did they do this? People were moving on from this shit thanks to the new Idol drama but now they made themselves the target again

[Anonymous No.]

>>72245213
I wish I had the Project F termination notices and the multiple "BUT ACTUALLY" notices they put out as they fell apart. The amount of angry SEA seething made Sayu's notice look tame

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>>72256879
I don't watch V&U. They didn't even make any counterclaims in their termination document where it was a perfect opportunity to do so. "No we didn't bill her $400,000 we billed her for $15,000 and she rejected it and told us to talk to her lawyer." That would have turned the discussion at least marginally in their favor, even though 15k is still high for a 3view corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
>signs a 3 year old contract
>"uh actually I want out now"
>"ok pay the fine"
>"no"
>"see you in court"
And I'm supposed to take her side?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257042
>>signs a 3 year old contract
this shit wouldnt happen in a real country, it's the classic korean slavery strategy. the US court wouldnt take it seriously and would side with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257042
>contract has no fine in it
>make up a number because fuck it might as well try
>it's 8 months operating cost for the entire company

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257122
Why didn't she try to negotiate that point then? "Oh wait, 3 years? No way, can I get a normal 1 year contract instead?"
The answer is simple, she didn't read it.
>>72257178
>sign contract with a fidelity period
>break the fidelity period
>expect to go unpunished
Seriously now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72248854
They didn't have the same promotional lead in to debut as gen 3 had (and gen 5 had way more than gen 3)
I've seen people try and claim they got shafted on the models but that really only applies to DK whose artist isn't very good anyways. See Jun or Prism of pic related for other things they've done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257220
Of course she didn't read it, she said so herself. Black corpos targeting naive young girls and giving them fucked up contracts (and usually rushing them to sign it) isn't anything new. And those corpos always lost in the court

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257310
And I'm sure that her "didnt read lol" is going to hold up in court.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257020
if you read the statement it states that they sent her a statement of costs for termination, but neither Serafi nor V&U showed an amount due. Thats because it was not the final bill. If youve worked at any job involving contractors youd know that negotiation happens, the statement you are sent is not the amount you pay. If the contractor damaged something you can email back and say "hey, you broke a lamp, we should get a discount to cover this cost". Or "hey why are we being charged $120 for a senior engineer when we were using soil experts for analyzing foundation for this portion?" Part of these initial statements is negotiating, theres a reason why V&U is specifying that serafi has not yet been officially charged, they were still in the negotiation phase. Serafi is screwed for breaking nda mid negotiation when nothing was charged yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72251572
>I refuse to touch that particular tranny-lovign mes
I believe the one you're referring is Pippa, not Rie.

[Anonymous No.]

Intern-kun really aiming for a promotion with all the overtime he's putting in today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257310
I hate corpos but being a dumbass shouldn't be a valid excuse for getting out of a contract. I personally hope she loses so other would-be vtubers actually take some responsibility for themselves instead of signing the first contract thrown their way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72252068
they should have been combined with EN in the first place, claiming Origin was a separate two person branch was retarded from a branding perspective and created an unnecessary separation between them.

[Anonymous No.]

One point that strikes me as odd is how both Serafi and LegalMindset omitted the part about the contract being for 3 years. I wonder what they were trying to hide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257444
Who said she was a contractor, and what extra costs would she have incurred given that she was working at home half a globe away?

V&U putting something in a contract won't make it legal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72250415
It fucking sucks and she's retarded but what else do you expect

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257534
its okay if you dont like facing reality, it doesn't make me an intern, it just makes me logical, something 4 chan cant do considering most of them are retarded unicorns that cant stop simpinh for their waifus. again i am the same guy that doesnt watch v&u and shits on serafi for her dishonesty every thread. thats because from an outsiders view its obvious what going on here, people want to shit on corpos as usual, and serafi has her little simps out here defending her. by defending untruthful bitches you do a disservice to the girls that have actual real cases against their companies.

[Anonymous No.]

So what's the deal here, she tried to buy out the rest of her contract and didn't like the number they gave her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257654
vtubers are contractors, anon. thats the industry standard, from kawaii to phase to v&u. are you a tourist? this is a well known industry standard that pippa, shiki, and charzu from their respective companies have brought up

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257444
you're talking to either a kid or someone delivering food, they can't understand shit like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257788
An illegal contract from a failing company inexperienced in international business.

VNU must be very desperate if they think suing their ex-employees is a good move. It would be hard to imagine a vtuber who would want to work at such a place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257654
Worst comes to pass she probably won't be able to set a foot on Korea. V&U can definitely try to sue her in the US, but it's likely to be dismissed, and even if it didn't and they win they don't get shit. She definitely doesn't have 450k to pay them and they're gonna ruin their reputation by outing themselves as an enormous black corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257804
ya i am starting to realize these people dont understand even the basics of contracts, being a contractor, and some dont even realize literally every small corpo vtuber is a contractor

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257924
Sorry you live in a third world country without labour standards. Hopefully when China takes you over things will improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72253242
wactor

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257525
No, Pippa only has a single tweet supporting BLM at the height of that madness. Rie is the one with actual, somewhat recent "trans rights!!!" bs

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257949
>China taking over
>Things improving
I know you're being sarcastic, but lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257912
are you guys reading? it clearly states in the op that v&u didnt officially charge her yet. she was given a general statement of costs. so this 450k is just a bullshit number, because an official invoice was not tendered. maybe she should have talked it over privately with her lawyer instead of breaking nda, leaving her open to more liability

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257924
getting mad at shit they dont know is the tranny way after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258045
she talked to a lawyer and the retard told her to stop talking to vnu instead of trying to work a deal

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257949
so you dont have contractors in your country? how exactly can capitalism and small business thrive without contractors? i understand you are only used to working per hour pay, but to be self employed, contracts are a must to ensure you are paid for your work and are covered by insurance for things that might happen on the job. in fact here in the us its required to have a w9 and workers comp for many physical contract work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258176
You don't live in the US.

[Anonymous No.]

anyway, i was not aware serafis camp were full of the uneducated not even familiar with the basics, please do your reps, i am done wasting my time educating you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258193
replying from jakarta

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258229
cmon anon someone even said she was european, these retards know shit about fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257364
it will and it does when the contract is so blatantly predatory

[Anonymous No.]

Serafi is going to be sued, found guilty, and jailed for life in debtor's prison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258320
>european
even better for her then

[Anonymous No.]

>>72251080
>>72247109
>Dramatuber shit
Funny how the guy shifted his entire content from grifting conservatives to grifting vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

Weird how all of this comes back to some shithole dweller's burning, autistic hatred of Pippa.

[Anonymous No.]

>most of her claims were exaggerated and misleading
nijisanji speech

[Anonymous No.]

>>72250119
isnt this a good thing that they invest in talents even if it doesnt pay them back? you have shit like nijisanji where they dont invest in anything and will charge you for every yab according to the contract lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258473
she's american...
>>72258587
do your reps faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258545
that shithole dweller? me

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258715
>boots
>licked

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258903
>doing reps = licking boots
tranny logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258966
Please forgive us, oh enlightened mind, for taking everything a Korean company says with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to labor laws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259268
you know you can watch what serafi said about the corpo one month before leaving right? you won't do it because you're a fucking tranny but the vod is still there

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259546
Literally none of it disputes anything she said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258715
can you even do reps still? her twitch vod with statements is gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257444
This is 'opening negotiations' like someone offering $1 for shit on Facebook Marketplace is 'Opening negotiations'. It's immediately apparent that neither side can come to an agreement when the opening offer is off by multiple magnitudes. You should expect negotiations to immediately break down if you do stupid shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259603
so you didnt watch it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259690
dramatubers watched her indie vod and the vod with her praising vnu is still in her channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259787
I already watched it, none of it disproves anything. Of course she's not going to say anything bad about the company while she still works for it. That's normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72251896
>B) People immediately (and probably rightfully) assumed that she was just trying to run off with the money.
I keep seeing this everywhere what's the QRD of this statement?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72245456
It wasn't shitty. They bent over backwards and gave her 4 managers, and the rest of the girls are super nice.

I don't know how Serafi fumbled the ball that hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258704
No? They'd go out of business at that ratio. Very quickly. That's why it's bullshit, but even if a company did theoretically do that, it would be a sure way not to be around very long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259952
The four managers were all incompetent, and the other girls complain about the company on their alts, surely if you knew anything about V&U you would know this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72248694
Gen 4 was another experiment in seeing how little they could spend and what results it'd get

[Anonymous No.]

What happened, did all of the small corpo chubbas finally learn to read 4~6 months ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72251687
Contract termination bills, however, are pre-determined.
Not just a bunch of superfluous shit literally labelled as "etc"
The "etc" was the stupidest thing they could have done. It's unprofessional as fuck and unprofessionality in a contract is the fastest way to have it ripped up and thrown out.

It turns out that courts don't hold every contract as sarosanct, and enjoy a chance to get into a dickwaving contest with a multi-million dollar international corporation to show them that their power as the legal system of their country gives them the biggest balls in the room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259846
they watched her vod in full? i dont care about snippets in dramanig videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259892
She kept going on hiatuses, coming back and doing donothons. Without finishing the rewards of the previous ones. This specific one was the third, I think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259892
She had her second donothon early December to gather funds for furniture after her move. She then puts in a Work Leave (graduation) request in January.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260112
Something must have happened in the talent side of the vtubing sphere, and I'd say it was Selen if it had've happened a couple of months earlier, because all this shit seems to have been in the works for a while.
But I think having actual lawyers saying these contracts are horseshit might be lighting some fires under some chuuba's asses.
And before some fuck says "hurr LM is a grifter!" I'm not arguing the validity of his takes.
I'm saying that most chuubas did not have a lawyer read any of the shit they signed, and even having some fuck chasing vtuber drama like his professional-forebearers chased ambulances is literally the most extensive legal representation they've given themselves.

Legal Mindset is basically parasocial legal council for some chuubas. He's basically the Legal Representation Experience for a bunch of dipshit 20-somethings who signed their dignity away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257444
>Lets start negotiations, here, you pay us half a million dollars.
>What do you mean you don't want to negotiate with us? We gave you a good deal!
>Why wont you respond?
>You're a terrible person! We will sue!
If you want to negotiate with someone, you need to understand what they might be willing to pay and what they could potentially pay. Don't start the negotiations with "We will destroy you." and then expect anyone to continue to talk to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260443
this started before the selen drama

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260497
What if Serafi damaged some of their heavy equipment. Like a bulldozer or something. Then what? Ever consider that? There's a reason every negotiation with a contractor begins with sending them a half million dollar bill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260497
its her who started and immediately broke off negotiations though

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260659
I see, she burned down their HQ, that would explain it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72259852
she didn't have to talk about the corpo at all, she brought them up, nobody asked

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260695
>I want to quit.
>You will need to pay a contract termination fee.
>Of what?
>$454000 USD.
>Hey reply to us, you need to negotiate.
Negotiations start with the first price tag, not with the asking of what the price tag is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260659
Nice strawman

[Anonymous No.]

VNU is already on the ropes, aren't they relying on government grants to get by?

Never seen any other vtuber company carry sponsorship notices from a country's ministry of communications.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260002
only one has complained about the company retard and she said things changed for the better months ago
bitch trying to falseflag

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260659
>>72260700
Serafi soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260206
>>72260328
So, she was going to take the money and bolt? Is this a recurring history of hers or just something happened a few times and people got fed up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260659
she did exactly that on one of Metaro's metaverse construction sites

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260869
idol?

[Anonymous No.]

>You will need to pay a contract termination fee.
she doesn't need to. only if she wanted to quit to join another corpo.

you are allowed to quit your job I don't care if you signed a 10 year contract. again that is called slavery you can't make someone work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260914
>you are allowed to quit your job I don't care if you signed a 10 year contract
not in korea, but they dont know that that shit doesnt work in countries where people have rights

[Anonymous No.]

funnyman trying again

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260775
did you read the op?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261068
yes, that's the process of events, what I listed. I mean, apart from the fact they only paid her for 10 months for 13 months of work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72257788
Yeah, she tried to do that and she thought she could pay the buy out

[Anonymous No.]

>V&U sues Serafi for $450,000
>they somehow win despite everything
>Serafi doesn't have the money
>$0 dollars is ever returned
>Huge success!

If I was one of the investors in Maro Studio, I'd be drooling at the opportunity to do this. Can't see any downsides, really

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260775
Yeah, the people that think that this is normal have never worked a real job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258507
>anyone who says things that make me butthurt is le grifter

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261254
Most normal jobs are not on contracts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260873
she did a subathon in her PL and the graduated a couple months later to join idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261301
What, all jobs are on contract, even wagie jobs. Unless you are working under the table.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261245
she has the money lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261371
>she has half a million dollars
do you have any proof of this whatsoever

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260873
adding, from her PL

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261191
you didnt read the op

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261413
you're talking with Indonesians on this board who think a $500 supa is worth a years salary

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261371
>>72261413
If she had half a million dollars she could become an indie 3view by buying an expensive model and rigging like that green ferret woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261436
Did you read the OP? Because I listed what they listed.

[Anonymous No.]

Corps like donothons because money now and they tie down the talent with responsibilities. They put talents on the cycle of grift to stay afloat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261336
>>72261424
That's basically robbery, i understand why people are heated about it now and also why she is starting to gather more antis. Thanks for the information anons

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261368
I think he meant employee vs independent contractor status

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261491
A good model and rigging alone won't get you to 3view status. Laimu has been streaming for a long time, and was friends with other successful streamers long before vtubing became popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72247109
>shit is terrible but i cant show it, trust me bro
fuck off retard, show it or shut the fuck up.
he showed nijisanji bullshit and i agreed with him because he backed everything with evidence, but im not naive enough to just nod in agreement after trust me bro argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261546
How often does that actually work? So far every donothon I've heard of ends with the talent running off with the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261664
Donothons provide no legal protection to the donator. There is no requirement for the person receiving donations to actually do any of the rewards legally. All donothons are scams. they are DONATIONS, first and foremost. People need to understand this before they give away their money from now on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261837
not in Phase Connect they dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261508
you didnt. either your reading comprehension is sister level or you began living sister fanfics after reading too many sisterposts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261927
What issues do you have with what I said then, since you know so much. Enlighten me oh reader of words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261916
anon Phase Connect's only blemish is firing a girl 1 week after she scammed her fans out of a $4000 fundraiser for a new computer

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261851
But, isn't that commonly understood that giving anything of your own volition does not give you legal entitlement to recompensation?

[Anonymous No.]

So she's free of a black company.
She can stream whatever she wants without permission autism.
She doesn't have to split her income with a useless corporation.
Streams on Youtube and Twitch.
Pippa raids her.
CCV higher than ever.

She already won.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72262198
People think they are entitled to things when they give to a donothon. They see it as transnational. But those people are stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

dramafag logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>72262227
>bragging because a phase whore raided her
anon this makes things look dire and grim

[Anonymous No.]

Think of all the subscribers they could buy with that $450000, they might even get Suri a play button if they spend it right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261972
nta, but he's talking about how v&u claim they never sent her an invoice. Ya know cause a corpo definitely can't try lying to cover their asses and serafi totally made up the number and the document shown by legalmindset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72262748
>After that, Serafi officially asked us to give her an estimate of the amount she may have to pay to terminate the contract in compensation for our loss and damages. We accordingly gave her a calculated amount with full breakdown.
That's what they wrote, and that's what they would be asking for, and did. That's when negotiations "started" and also when they ended.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72262916
>we made an estimate and asked her to pay 454k to graduate
>she lied and said we asked her to pay 454k to graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261972
>i want to quit and pay for terminating contract early
>its going to be expensive, are you really sure that you dont want to negotiate staying with us?
>yes
>ok you costed us this much
>silence
>doki happens
february 28th
>i quit and im not going to pay shit bye
>begin internal discussion on how to resolve this pacefully behind the scenes
march 16th
>"debut stream"
>man that company was so bad, literally kurosanji. doki inspired me and its nice knowing that im not alone going through ugly shit
>reverse smear campaign starts
>paceful solution is no longer viable, we have to take legal action because of her nda violations and misleading and false claims

her side looks a lot worse if you look at bigger picture and not just the price tag, which none of us can verify how legit it actually is. the fact of the matter is that she used doki as a way to garner sympathy and i find it especially disgusting that she even dared to compare herself to someone that almost an herod, while telling half truths.
IF the company claims about false statements are even remotely true(and looking at both of them one is clearly lying) then i sincerely hope that this whore gets fucked with a giant pole for using failed suicide victims to gain popularity and escape contractual obligations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263121
Yeah sis, I'm sure that's what's got your riled up is poor dokibird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72250937
>trainee debt
imagine being a country that allows this to exist
what a fucking shithole
>>72251080
> pay out what you owe
in which shithole?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263184
go back to reading homofanfics pakichan

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263121
>you costed us this much
and they have proof of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263349
etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263121
You left out the part where she spoke to an employment lawyer with expertise in international business. Can't imagine why you would do that.

Also:
>Etc: $22K please

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263349
You can always highball the costs as a company.
>>72263424
Because it's not helpful to their argument, so they just claim the lawyer is surely incompetent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263544
>highball the amount
>wtf why wont she give us half a million dollars?
>wtf why wont she negotiate with us?
>wtf why wont she respond to us?
I would absolutely love to see you try and negotiate anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263424
you are right i completely forgot about that. first doki happened, then she contacted a lawyer and went silent.
still the point stands that the company issue is not with her not actually paying the "ransom", but public statements that may or may not have been made to manipulate public opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261664
Wasn't that subathon for her to afford a car, or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263629
Koreans are not known for their communication skills, neither for their understanding of how people are not willing slaves outside of their own country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72261851
Even if it isn't legally binding it's still socially binding, and that's everything for someone who depends on the good will of their fans for a living. She fucked herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72264727
Sure, but she did nothing legally wrong, and that's what people are trying to say she did. Idol didn't pay her, that's the legal misstep in all of it. She did nothing legally wrong and should have been paid what she earned for Idol to not do any legal errors. But Idol showed that they are willing to not pay talents because of their own feelings. Which will lead to a bad work environment and they will most likely do it again, because if a corpo gets away with not paying their talents you can be damned sure they will do it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72253849
>>72253708
>>72253949
proof next thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>72249879
I love how "conducting a secretive relationship [with one talent]" automatically translates to "was having sex with talents" in schizo minds and everyone /here/ just takes it as fact

[Anonymous No.]

>>72251080
>salary
Vtubers don't get salaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72264981
She said herself that what she wrote was taken out of context and didnt represent what really happened. You don't know the arrangement with talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72265240
The fact that Idol is doing this refund and then pay her thing means that they did not pay her, and that came straight from Idol. It wasn't what she wrote, it's what Idol themselves wrote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72254058
Loose her virginity to me while we fuck on the corpse of VnU

[Anonymous No.]

>>72265901
Her what

[Anonymous No.]

>>72265179
He was the head talent manager who hired each and every talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72254129
You could forgive it if you were one of the ones she put out for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72249459
She'd mentioned on stream that she applied to phase and didn't get in, despite getting a lot of views on her audition.

>>72265901
>serafi
>virgin

lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258393
America doesn't have debtor's prison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72267544
Woozie uniroincally would have been perfect for Phase's Gen1. She would have fit in like a glove with Pippa, Lia, Tenma, and Uruka.

By Gen3 they were looking for streamers with, how do you say, traditional skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72258507
He was a animu fan/asiaphile who lives and works across asia so it's not that big of a leap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72264432
Koreans = Japs but 1000x worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>72268196
>traditional skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>72260992
Good damn, if it's him he's posting a lot seeing how there's way more people in support of Seraf than VnU

[Anonymous No.]

>>72266529
Yeah, so? Just because it reminds you of the first page of (You)r favourite doujin doesn't mean the entire thing is reality, take your meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>72269125
hard to know without an ip count

[Anonymous No.]

>>72252513
>VReverie fans went to Phase
all of our girls sans erika are indies now you shill

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA
https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA
https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA
https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA
https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA
https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA
https://youtu.be/UkeLS50_SFA

[Anonymous No.]

>>72272940
This dude has a clear bias against Koreans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273003
Seethe more, VUDF.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273003
yeah call him racist im sure that will garner sympathy for the company here

[Anonymous No.]

>>72244832
This relates to Hololive how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273003
But does that discredit his discussion on the vnu announcement(s)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>72272940
>>72273003
Korean corpos are well known for overreach and K-Pop going global brought a lot of attention to their practices. If what he says is true and there are discrepancies between V&U's statements and the documents he has, then they just became a lolcow he (and others) will keep milking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72263349
If they signed her for a 3 years contract they must have a reason for it, and probably invested a lot of money on her career that was supposed to be guaranteed for that long. The thing is that nobody knows if the 450k thing is even real anymore given how Serafi omitted the fact that her contract was that long on purpose (and don't forget how she claimed it was 100k at first).

[Anonymous No.]

>>72272940
>Live from Manila
Not trying to say anything here but.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273266
>Claimed it was 100k.
She claimed it was above 100k. I guess Maro Studio isn't sending their best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273266
>probably invested a lot of money on her career that was supposed to be guaranteed
Guarantees in business. A thousand keks.>>72273243

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273404
Why didn't she say the full value at first then? And why did you ignore the fact that she was hiding the length of her contract?
Surely I must be part of the VUDF to not be shitting on them like you huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>72273479
Nta but you clearly are. There's no reason to suck off this Korean corpo that nobody knows about

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>>72273149
his discussion is devoid of actual facts and anybody taking his word for it is a genuine retard. his argument for extortion is that he doesnt BELIEVE that they spent so much money on her.
he jumped in on selen incident and farmed goodwill from the community that now idiots will blindly treat his opinions as undisputable facts.

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>>72273399
He has a company that helps men (as is in "males") relocate to Asia. I imagine he appreciates the "human resources" side of SEA himself too.

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>>72273577
Nobody as disproved him btw

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>>72273577
>that he doesnt BELIEVE that they spent so much money on her
So you do? Are you seriously trying to say that there's even a slight possibility that they spent half a fucking million on one talent? Please kill yourself

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>>72273577
>devoid of actual facts
And you BELIEVE vnu spent 454k on a single talent?

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>>72272940
>contract signed in sept. 2022
Ahhhhhhhh. Who is lying???

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>>72273695
with the backing of a big corporation? entirely plausible considering that selen spent 200k ON HER OWN in nijisanji.

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>>72273566
So why did she not say anything about the fact that she broke a contract before the time it was agreed on?
I'm siding with truth, by the way. I don't care about either the corp or Serafi, I just want to know the truth.

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>>72273812
>entirely plausible
You're trolling

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>>72273812
Your argument is already breaking when it's shown that vnu is even lying about when the contract is signed.

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>>72273837
>broke a contract
Which one exactly

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VNU has been lying about everything from the start. Simple as that.

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>>72273812
>A big corporation backing you means that they'd approve giving half a million dollars to a low 3 view who isn't even the biggest chuuba in the company
lmfao

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>>72272940
>not even an exclusive contract
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>72272940
Did he just fucking use a shondo clip

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>>72273918
The one that gave her a job as Amano Serafi on V&U I think. Don't quote me on that though I bet she was an indie in disguise

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>>72273812

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>>72263121
You forgot the part where she did all of that right after Gen 5 debuted. Not like a day or two either, I’m talking about mere HOURS here.

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>>72274542
Yeah let's focus on what we FEEL she's doing instead of hard cold facts.

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smells like chicken and fruit in here.

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>>72272940

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>>72274635
too bad theres no hard cold facts besides the 400k thing

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>>72274635
That’s literally what happened, though.

>>72274651
Meds. Immediately.

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>>72274748
Sure thing vnuggie

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>>72274748
>the vnu announcement
>the contract
>the absurd bill
Kek. Still salty you couldn't pass your operating costs to your talents?

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>>72272940
Ohh aviel interview

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>>72274719
koreans are going to lose their minds lmao
>makes THE gesture
>dares to call out a korean company
>defends the individual, not the collective

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>>72275189
LM was recognised as Jewish, at least in spirit.

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>>72260002
I was going to retort you but >>72260868
covered it.

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>>72275470
You are clearly as poorly informed as you were when you made the earlier comment. Many of the girls complain about the company on their alts. If you don't know who they are, that's on you for being a tourist.

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>>72275724
back up your claim anon

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>>72272940
>The term of this Agreement shall be one 1 year.
Oof. VnU really can't lie to save themselves.

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>>72275724
>Many of the girls complain about the company on their alts.
Do you have a proof for this? Any screenshots?

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>>72276129
>>72276421
NTA but your tourism really shows. Do your reps isn't even applicable for you.

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>>72276341
Who the hell approved that second sentence? Even if you speak English poorly, a grammar checker like PWA or Grammarly will chew you up on complexity.

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>>72276529
>gets asked for evidence for his made-up shit
>”I-I don’t need to show you shit, tourist!1!1!”
Every fucking time

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>Chromosomally challenged
Damn this guy is pissed

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>>72276325
Vnudf seems pretty quiet on this front.

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>>72272940
>autonomously
>but you need approval from us

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>>72263544
>You can always highball the costs as a company.
Judges REALLY don't like that kind of stuff

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>>72276607
At least funnyman is trying new tactics, gotta give him some credit

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>>72276607
>spoonfeed me
Here you go:
lurk moar

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>>72276678
vnuggie...

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Absolute black company. Zero doubt now.

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You think if anyone has anything to vent on alt it would be her but apparently not

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>>72276908
Have you even watched her streams? Her doomposting and complaining are legendary. People don't mention it as much after she asked people to stop posting things on /vt/

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>>72276529
Let's say there's a possibility where the girls complain about the company on their alts. But where's the evidence to back up your claim? You're just lying to us.

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>>72277062
A previous thread about this drama had people talking about this same shit

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>>72277062
He won’t give evidence because he doesn’t have any. He’s a Serafi clitsucker

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>>72277035
She stopped complaining for almost 2 months now

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>>72276549
either legal word salad or it how Korean/east asia write their stuff, they don't like being direct (especially the Jap, reading their email is a pain on how much extra stuff they add into the letter).

Either way V&U seem typical of Korean Idol company.