The state of holoID

[Anonymous No.]

why do you think cover insist on keeping HoloID when compared to other branch, ID is such a failure in number. No, i dont care that they get better number than indies and other ID group from different corpo, as the biggest vtuber corpo they should have way higher company standard. i mean why would they put resource and time on ID when they could make another EN gen with it and make more money? just look at the SC and viewers of ID and compare it to other holos, even some homos make more than them.
last 7 days SC :

>Moona which supposedly be the biggest ID Vtuber : $833
>Reine "the honorary EN" : $602
>treerat : $255

but but streamlab, yeah check their streamlab risu only get 3 and moona get 2 $100+ donations this month. those dont help much with their low number.
and lets not forget about their live viewers
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1419514050145230849/photo/1

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189571
Wooooo, that's like $8330 in Indonesia, nice.

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>>7189571
A KFC-tier lunch in Indonesia costs $2.

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>>7189571
ogey numberfag

[Anonymous No.]

google 'average minimum living cost jakarta'

[Anonymous No.]

But no, seriously, even it they lived in the expensive parts of Jakarta, the ID girls would live very well with what they made in the last year.

Even Cover would have managed to cover their investment, in high end Japanese artists and riggers for their models.

They could sell more merch, but otherwise the ID branch should be fairly successful for their expenses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189721
>>7189773
>>7189860
Gosh you guys are fucking retarded arent ya? Im not talking about the chubbas point of view, im talking about cover decision on keeping them. They could just graduate everyone in holoID and relocate all the ID funds to debut more JP and EN gens which statistically speaking would make them way more profit.

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>>7190183
Why do you care so much if cover makes more profit or not? most people care about the girls themselves

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>>7189571
They’re Yagoo’s personal toys just like Holostars.
He did invite all of them on a dinner date after all.
if you think about it technically eating out with someone counts as a date so Prisuners and Moonafic were cucked by Yagoo

[Anonymous No.]

The last I monthly ranking I saw had Reine and Ollie doing quite well for themselves, especially compared to the other ID girls. Cherry picking Reine's last seven days is a bit dumb. She's been did a ton of collabs lately a few of which haven't even been on her channel.

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>>7189571
They are cheap to maintain collab partners for both EN and JP, why do you even give a fuck?

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>>7190183
>they'd make more profit by making a decision that would only serve to piss off a large portion of their fanbase while losing 6 sources of income
You're not too bright are you? Short term gains (if that'd even be the case, remember everyone in ID Gen 2 had like 100k subscribers within a week) aren't worth the risk of tearing down the trust of your consumers. That shit eventually catches up to every company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7190744
>>7190233
Because maybe instead of getting bunch of indogs we could be getting more EN/JP girls or the very least cover could have used the ID resources to fund and support more the EN/JP girls

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>>7190183
Anon, if they axe HoloID for having bad numbers people would riot Cover HQ even if they are not popular as JP or EN...

[Anonymous No.]

anon please buy a brain instead of another SC

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>>7190934
How would that help anyway? Why get rid of 6 people making your company money to support 6 more in the same boat? They have literally no reason to cut back on talent anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

Thankfully you don't operate a business.
Cover wouldn't exist if you were at the helm of decision-making, and that is saying a lot with their shitty decision-making as it is.

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>>7190863
>>7190965
You dont have to graduate them on 1 go, you can just do it 1 by 1. And i dont think it would cause that much uproar if you do it correctly, most holofags are corporate bootlickers anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't the other Holobranches use Streamlabs like ID does? Does yourube promote them more if the shperchat revenue is higher?

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>>7191121
It won't work, do you know how impopular is firing someone in Japan? Even the graduations Hololive had without the numberfagging made people distrusting Cover's management, what do you think fans would do if (you) kick someone because they are not popular even doing it 1 by 1?

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>>7190934
Getting actual EN or JP costs more, salaries are higher due to them living in first world countries. I'm sure Cover is accounting for this, it doesn't matter for them if they make 10x less profit if they are 10x cheaper to keep around.

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>>7189571
>why do you think cover insist on keeping HoloID
Because HoloID meets Cover's criteria for success. Keep seething.

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>>7189571
Better graduate holostars first then, ID1 nuked their unicorns every time they support the homos back then when ID1 made more money than holostars.

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>>7190183
CorpoDickSucker KYS

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>>7190183
because id is cheap to maintain. do you think gura can survive with 5.000$ per month? anya surely can with 500$ and i bet my ass anya earn more than 500$, even if she isnt, her 5 other member should cover her deficit. my point is, cover already investing money for their 'training', why graduate them, risking pr disaster and losing their prior investment if cover can just let them continue and earn some money? their operation cost is cheap so earning profit is much easier than other branch albeit not as much but profit is still a profit. this is also why cover l2d is shit, why should they use a better 3rd party apps if their cheap af shitty inhouse apps coded by an intern 10 years ago already proven profitable?

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>>7189571
>last 7 days SC :
Anon have you considered the fact that Risu literally streamed twice in the last 7 days? Not saying she makes much normally but her last public stream was 6 fucking days ago

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>>7190934
You know how much in resources actually go to the ID girls compared to JP/EN? Wouldn't make a difference

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>>7195916
the Japanese artists they hire aren't going to accept lower payment

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>>7196647
the artist also wont give their payment back to cover if id graduated. what are they gonna do? let id do their job and earn some money or just graduate them, throwing money to the void?

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>>7196923
What the fuck are you talking about?
I never said ID should graduate?
But you have to understand that the resources behind creating an avatar like Reine's is on the same level cost wise as someone like IRyS

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>>7196982
so what? damage already done. whats the solution?

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>>7197224
what is this damage?
I'm saying that a lot of resources go into their models
I have not made any other posts in this thread

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>>7190965
Yeah, just like how Nijisanji fans rioted when they dumped IN for their low numbers. Release a new wave of vtubers and they'll forget about it in a few months.

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>>7197487
IN was lucky if they pulled in 20 viewers. Meanwhile every ID can pull in at least 1000 viewers consistently (even Anya when she streams buff games instead of debuff games).

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>>7197249
i assume you prefer the resource to go to other branch instead? i actually agree. its just that op want them to graduate, awful business decison. cover already investing money to id branch, graduating them meaning throw away that investment, for what? their dirt cheap maintenance cost of 3rd world money?

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>>7197487
>they'll forget about it
I haven't.

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>>7197487
>comparing Niji fans to Holo fans

[Anonymous No.]

ID is literally the testbed version of EN. Cover already got their investment back from their designs and rigs anyway. And they're cheaper to maintenance than even the holostars, which made nothing 'til Roberu leeched of other chuubas or Astel leeched of Ollie and APEX.

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>>7189571
Relativity doesn't exist for vtubers.

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>>7189571
>cheap
>EN lab rats
>SEA most potential weebs market
>J*st*n
>cheap
>you are retard
your welcome

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>>7203745
Don't forget motherfucking Ollie would blow up Cover HQ if they dared to try and shut her down.

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>>7189571
>why do you think cover insist on keeping HoloID
SEAmonkey pseudo-containment

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>>7190183

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.freewestpapua.org/info/human-rights/
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https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/nov/02/100-bn-dollar-gold-mine-west-papuans-say-they-are-counting-the-cost-indonesia

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https://barenakedislam.com/2011/01/26/torture-of-west-papuans-by-indonesian-muslims-never-ends/
https://apjjf.org/-Camellia-Webb_Gannon/4400
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Indonesian_occupation_of_East_Timor#Sexual_slavery_and_systematic_violence_against_women
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https://uncoveringtheworld.wordpress.com/category/humilation/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7206712
>>7206755
I'm not reading any of this desu senpai

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>>7189571
>Both EN and ID are profitable by varying degrees
>We must ax ID to ensure our status as a black company and threaten all chuubas on the bottom to whore out or else they'll get kicked to the street which won't upset anybody right?
This must be bait, no one's this retarded right

[Anonymous No.]

>>7206712
>>7206755
>west papua and east timor
Entry stuffs my friend, get a better material :^)

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>>7189571
Idk, it's unreasonable desu. Just like how JKT48 was formed

[Anonymous No.]

ID was a fucking mistake.

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>>7196982
Why is Reine so much better looking than IRyS then?
Will EN be the death of SOUL in Cover by pushing expensive, ugly, but profitable chuubas?

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>>7206888
>no one's this retarded right
this is /vt/

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>>7203745
This is true. While EN, Nigger of Nippon aside, are very safe picks. HoloID1 has very strange but interesting choices for talents. EN learned from ID1 and ID2 learned from EN. 2/3rds of ID2 can be very much confused as HoloENs, and are only debuffed by the ID tag. But because the ID branch is a bit more experimental, we get to know strange specimens like tree rrat and Anya. And I'm glad we did.

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>>7189571
Anon did you seriously count them as failure? The superchat they earn can cover their entire life saving.

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>>7190183
You have no idea how business and economics works. Indonesia is an emerging market which is predicted to be another world player in the next few decades. Their economy keeps on growing with thep population similiar to USA. Cover is investing in that growth. They might be sucks now, but if Hololive somehow could survive for the next 10 years and spread their wings to another business model, they would reaps all the benefit of the growing market that is Indonesia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7217354
Explains why Reine got in. Her only request was to bring her friend along. Girl's well connected.

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>>7190183
>Gosh you guys are fucking retarded arent ya?
That fucking sentence alone makes me think you have a disability

I mean you must have one, ID will grow in the next years as half their population probably doesnt even have internet yet, the first gens are important for a strategic positioning to the future