Final yab thread

[Anonymous No.]

Shitty article full of misinformation got to interview some people from the Vtuber industry : https://archive.is/mkpRl
One of them is an anonymous Hololive manager who said the following about graduations :

>if this keeps happening, we may not be here next year

Even if it has no chance of happening, the moral of Hololive's management is so low, they don't even see them lasting another year with troubles they might face ahead. Can you conceive 2022 without Hololive if another graduation happen?

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>>7189018
>moral of Hololive's management is so low
Deserved tbf. Cover management is shit and they should feel bad about the shit job they do.

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>>7189018
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

Anonymous Hololive manager here.
Those are false statements. Trust me.

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>>7189018
What is the need for hololive if they can manage themself just fine, for what I can see the only input management has is to avoid Yabes, and help produce music or something, but the talent can do that without the hololive or nijisan brand if they have a big enough following, they afraid of losing power over the big popular ones.

[Anonymous No.]

During the times Cover was whipping their talents into hallmarks-of-purity to please investors, one said "no thanks" and left.
Other talents started talking about other jobs and middle managers realized the collapse risk is very real.
So technically it's not "misinformation"

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>"one Hololive manager told me, requesting anonymity"

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>>7189335
all me

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Holos are already planning their escape plan by keeping their roommate accounts open and semi-active. And I wouldn't blame them. If you are able to achieve a high amount of clout in which your fans are loyal and people are aware of your roommate, why wouldn't you take the independent route to get the full cut of supas and memberships, and have no roadblocks from management?

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>>7189018
You really believe they contacted Hololive management and they got that response out of them?

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>>7189018
If Hololive were to go down everyone will just watch Nijisanji VShojo the startups and indies

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>>7189018
>if our talent keeps leaving, we'll have to shut down
Nah really?

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>>7189531
>everyone will just watch Nijisanji VShojo the startups and indies
Do you really believe?

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>>7189018

[Anonymous No.]

Regardless if this a valid source or not I would say, it depends on who would be graduating and for what reason. Some make bigger waves then others.

Either way, Hololive should, if they haven't already, purged any management that are more of a hindrance to the talent then a boon. And to gain trust back with the fans if only little and show of willingness to change this should be done openly. But I doubt Yagoo or Hololive has the spine for that, at best they will put those bad managers in positions were they can cause as little harm as possible, the nippon way.

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>>7189582
Hololive isnt a monopoly

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>>7189018
Confirmed, my wife's bull works at Nintendo. Hololive management are vocal about the Coco graduation and they are not happy. They're discontented with the hiatuses and with the whole Zhang sperging thing. I guess they were holding out hope for a new Holo CN announcement. There's even an internal memo that's garnered dozens of replies proposing outsorucing Ayame's model to Pakistan to fill time slots. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

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>>7189018
We need the CCP-loving equivalent of get woke go broke, and make it the ironclad rule for vtubers. Forsake Taiwan at your own perils.

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>>7189497
Hi Mori!

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>>7189582
I used to watch Nijisanji and then I jumped into the Hololive train back in 2019. If Hololive go down I'll just go back to watch Nijisanji again.

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>>7189626
Go chink, ship sink

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>>7189018

[Anonymous No.]

I give this an ogey rrat

But I can somewhat believe the first sentence. If anything, Coco opened the eyes of the rest of Hololive and even other VTubers all over that they can eventually make it on their own without an agency, that they can leave too if they're smart enough to plan ahead. Especially the big ones.

Even if they ever leave, sooner or later they can just reincarnate and their loyal fans would eventually find their way back to them.

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>>7189718
Good enough

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>>7189768
That explains why Kiara's roomate started streaming on YouTube and twitch recently. Graduation imminent?

[Anonymous No.]

Miko raped Pekora in front of Yagoo, trust me on this one. I work for Cover

[Anonymous Hololive Manager No.]

I was actually raped by Matsuri. She sucked my dick and I was so scared.

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>>7189018
Lots of Hololive doomposting latetly. I wonder who's behind this post...

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>>7189801
h-hot

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Reminder that Gura manager want her to sing Crazy frog because haha funny and Gura say no fuck off

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>>7189867
While not impossible, my first bet would be western "entertainment".

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>>7189800
Nah, is too early, maybe she is opening the back door if something happens

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>>7189867
Nijifags are the Jews of /vt/ confirmed

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>>7189018
Hololive is falling apart since Coco left. Haato would be gone too if they didn't persuade her last minute.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to send this article to yagoo and have enma fired.

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>>7189768
Yeah. Especially since by going indie they keep way better SC % and can do whatever they want.

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>>7190030
>they
Do you mean Matsuli.

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>>7189867
>Graduations
>horrible atmosphere
>many of the girls barely streaming or on hiatus

Yeah, I wonder why people are doomposting.

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I've never worked in a company with turnover as bad as at Cover. There's seriously something wrong with the vtuber industry if even successful vtubers are quitting, and unlike other jobs, they're not leaving because they're getting headhunted by competitors.

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>>7190030
Why did Coco pursued Haato to stay though?

>>7189018
Self inflicted. I don't blame them for having worries, the entire company runs off of talent and luck, not sound business practices or good infrastructure. Marine seems to be backtracking hard on the musings of graduation, Korone seems to be off it. Shion is a goner though.

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>>7189018
>if this keeps happening
Yes, Hololive members will keep displaying the Taiwanese flag. They literally can't stop. Cover is done for.

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>>7189946
based shark.

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>>7190120
>Graduations
One. A single graduation.
>horrible atmosphere
In your head.
>many of the girls barely streaming or on hiatus
Now haachama and aqua are back, who is there other than shion? Ayame I suppose, but it's unlikely that has anything to do with management or dissatisfaction with hololive. So when you say many, who do you mean?

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>>7190257
Would it even matter if they did it again? They're already permanently exiled from China for doing it the first time.

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>>7189018
>quotes anonymous "hololive manager"
>literally doxxes Gura
what did the journo mean by this

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>>7190179
>Shion is a goner though.
she'll be back

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>>7189735
is there a clip of this with sound? didn't expect to see the day today on /vt/ of all places

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>>7190179
Probably Coco talking some sense into Haato, who is very young, as she has many more years of youth to take advantage of what is undoubtedly the biggest source of income she’ll have for many years, if not ever. If Coco knows anything about investment, she would have also taught her about the power of compounding interest. Starting super early with a lot of money could keep her rich off of just interest for the rest of her life.

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>>7189018
Reminds me of old Sega. They mismanaged themselves into an early grave, but every chance they were given to save themselves they insisted on keeping on doing what they were doing. Just stop mismanaging your talent and stop insisting on doing things backwards. Why is that so hard?

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>>7190157
It's so odd to have people leaving such lucrative jobs. I give Shion a pass since she's a high school dropout with clinical depression that's was hired when she was 16.

>>7190120
The only thing any of the talents seems to like is eachother. The only manager that is well regarded I can think of is Noel's and Flare's.

>>7190289
>One. A single graduation.
A very important one. Let's not pretend all graduations are equal. If Ayame, Shion, and Haato fucked off it wouldn't be worth one Coco.
>In your head.
Talent complain all the time.
>Now haachama and aqua are back
Haato is fickle, this may not be the case for long. Aqua had idol shit and was affected by Coco's graduation.

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>>7189018
The amount of fearmongering ITT and in the article is horrible. Kill yourself and the stupid "journalist" too.

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>>7190383
>A very important one. Let's not pretend all graduations are equal. If Ayame, Shion, and Haato fucked off it wouldn't be worth one Coco.
>haato
>not equal to coco
retard

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>>7190325
yeah what on earth? he even mentions it being a big no-no like 5 lines down. dumbass journo

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>>7190383
it would take 6 months for people to realize that Ayame graduated and didn't just go to the corner for a pack and cigarettes

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>>7190418
Bro, Coco was a big support behind the scenes for most of the agency and was well regaurded by everyone. You can't measure intangibles like that.

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>>7190289
>One. A single graduation.

Of the girl who turned Hololive into what it is today. And just barely avoided another with more in the air.

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>>7190383
Don’t you mean Roboco, Mel, or Aki? If they graduated, people wouldn’t have been gobsmacked - it would be understandable, if not expected.

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>>7190503
Roboco is a lifer, Aki doesn't seem to have problems, and Mel leaving is actually a massive PR nightmare is she talks.

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>>7190157
>I've never worked in a company with turnover as bad as at Cover.
A single graduation in 4 years? Nijisanji have had 13 in the same time, they must be doomed.

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The posters don't go up. These are a few retards trying to stir shit.

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>>7190470
And you really think that Haachama graduating wouldn't have any less of an emotional impact? You can't even doompost right faggot.

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>>7189018
>"we may not be here next year" quote with no further elaboration
Besides the fact that it's obvious horseshit from a literally who website (who are known for shit like this), how did this statement even come about? Did they email a manager who then proceeded to spill their heart out? Did the "manager" reach out to this unknown faggot? What narrative do they expect us to believe about their source of this quote exactly?

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>>7189018
Probably holoEN management, i.e. doesn't know shit about what goes on in the Japanese scene. Their opinion is not much better than some random doomposter here. Hell, my moral would be low as hell too if I worked in holoEN too being so stagnated after such a promising start.

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>>7190603
Yes, 100% based on how people inside the company talk about her and all the depression fits people had weeks before the announcement. It's not a knock on Haato, it's just that she isn't as important as Coco was.

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>>7189018
>hololive m*nager
>we may not be here next year
I fail to see the issue

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>>7190383
>>7190475
>A very important one. Let's not pretend all graduations are equal. If Ayame, Shion, and Haato fucked off it wouldn't be worth one Coco.
It doesn't really matter how important you think coco was, the fact is hololive is much bigger than any single chuba, so one leaving on good terms is not the end of the world.
>Talent complain all the time.
If you're a clipnigger, sure. If you actually watch streams the amount of complaining is pretty minimal, and normally it's just the type of minor frustration that is inevitable in any multi-person endeavour, rather than the 7th trumpet of your fantasies.
>Haato is fickle, this may not be the case for long. Aqua had idol shit and was affected by Coco's graduation.
Still waiting to hear your list of "many" girls on hiatus.

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>>7189018
>Final Yabai XIV: Endtuber

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>>7190559

Hololive actually had 9, but go on

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>>7190668
>leaving on good terms

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>>7189946
Source?

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>>7189531
Nah, if Hololive goes down I'm looking for Miko's roommate streaming, but otherwise its back to kripp and forsen on twitch.

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>>7190678

12 if you include Holostars

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>>7190375
Apparently it's very hard to fire people in Japan, plus the people in charge of Cover aren't the people who care about vtubing.

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>>7190642
>It's not a knock on Haato, it's just that she isn't as important as Coco was.
0/10

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>Coco’s departure last month jolted the industry in Japan, forcing agencies to confront a growing fear that one defection could lead to an exodus of VTuber talents who’ve learned that they no longer need management.

I mean, isnt this 100% true? With how useless cover's management is maybe leaving after gaining clout is a good idea.

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>>7190289
Gibara, Monoe and Lulu also graduated recently and they were pretty big too.

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>>7190678
You can't pin Chris on Hololive. You can pin Aloe on many things, Cover included. The Chinese branch going down was the right thing to do all things considered, they were getting too big for their birtches before the Taiwan issue. Suzaku was too good for holostars. Kaoru was a nut job. I don't know shit about Kira.

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>>7189018
This is what passes for Internet journalism these days, huh? Fake, unsourced quotes; braindead, surface level misunderstandings of the topic; making up ridiculous narratives; etc.

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>>7189531
>If Hololive were to go down everyone will just watch Nijisanji

My God, Nijisanji fans are absolutely retarded huh. Holy shit do you fuckers lack foresight. Listen buddy. When a holo graduates they will take their cultivated following with them.(Coco's roommate proved this) It's that simple. Nijisanji won't benefit in a hololive-less world. In fact if hololive were to shut down, the hololive roommates will be ones dominating. The rise of Indies. I believe. Sounds peaceful. One less corporation to shit on.

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>>7190732
Cover struck gold by leveraging the personal connection between the talent and the fan to create infinite money, but so far has failed to realize that you actually need to keep them working for you after that.
It doesn't help that it's a lot harder to merchandise (and cut in the talents) when you're blacklisted from China because of Google's analytics page.

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>>7190346
It's got sound for me anon. Do you have something like 4chanx installed?

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>>7190678
HoloCN doesn’t count and you know very damn well that it doesn’t, considering the reason why it happened. That leaves:
-chris
-that one holostar
-Aloe
-Coco

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>>7189867
Leave us nijichads alone. It's the indiefags, who else would benefit more with the destruction of corporate vtubing.if not them.

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>>7189018
>middle mis management scared that their jobs are useless
Good

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>>7190814
Stars had three graduations: Kaoru, Kira, and the guy that quit like 5 weeks in whose name I forgot.

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>>7189800
Too early to graduate, but I can definitely see it as her laying down the foundations already in case things at Holo turn south for her in the future.

You can even say the same for Calli, she's practically just waiting for her real big gig in her alt before she leaves the nest too.

I can't say much about Gura, Ame, and Ina at the moment though.

My rrat is that Coco already sat down and spoke to EN and some of the JP girls to start thinking about their futures, since she probably sees that management WILL tighten their grip around them eventually, one by one. And so maybe this mass exodus of members will happen someday.

And if that happens, well maybe they all will gather once more and finally get to be themselves and do whatever the hell they want.

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>>7190793
Nijis don't give a fuck to begin with. New JP wave is getting 20-30k live viewers easily and EN is growing fast. They are getting 5k viewers now while few weeks ago 3k was a great achievement. And their SC are on par with HoloEN.

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>>7190793
This. I despise corpos. Enikara and Cover should shut down NOW.

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>>7190157
> I've never worked in a company with turnover as bad as at Cover.

Where the devil have you been working? 1 or 2 "graduations" in 3-4 years seems low as hell to me. Even the mega-$$$ software and sales engineering roles I've been in, you'd probably see a 3-10% turn over each year. I think that's pretty normal.

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>>7190678
OK, if you want to be nitpicky:
Hololive's main branch has had 3 graduations, 2 of which were due to external factors.
They killed off all 6 of CN, but again that's due to external factors.
Holostars had another 3.

If you count Niji's side branches in the same way, they've had 33 graduations (one of which came back later).

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>>7189800
>Graduation imminent?

Too early. Give it a year or two. All friendships in HoloEN are 100% fake but they are still gaining too much from being in Hololive to just leave.

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>>7190793
Nijisects will just start spamming indies for not having permissions like the good little drones they are.

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>>7190873
its actually scarily possible I think, the Holo thread is on fire on 5chan with what 'Pekora' did.

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>>7190867
Months, not weeks, and his name was Suzaku.

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>>7190873
>You can even say the same for Calli, she's practically just waiting for her real big gig in her alt before she leaves the nest too.
she's already doing this and still has no plans to leave hololive anytime soon

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>>7190948

What did Pekora do?

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>>7190918
Nijis have like 3x more streamers in general so of course there would be more graduations.

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>>7190075
Yup. Especially as indies they also don't have to worry about permissions to play games.

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>>7190948
>Holo thread is on fire on 5chan
Literally happens every other day.

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>>7190763
Kira was too sick to keep streaming, he graduated. My memory is hazy but i do remember some stars still have contact with him.

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>>7190873
Ina is having fun being in Hololive. She's probably the only EN who unironically enjoys this. Ame has too much to lose if she leaves now. Gura seem depressed but who the fuck knows what is really going on in her head.

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>>7190974
Yes, my point is that Cover does not have higher turnover than their closest competitor.
If anything I would have expected more of them to quit on their own terms by now.

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>>7190678
If you're going to count all the branch then niji has 50+ graduation already.

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>>7189497
>>7189656
Not even Mori. Literally the week after Coco left, Ame activated a new account and Kiara straight up had a stream on her old one. I don't think that was a coincidence.

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>>7190765
>This is what passes for Internet journalism these days, huh?
>internet journalism
Anon this is what passes for journalism in general these days.

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>>7190873
>since she probably sees that management WILL tighten their grip around them eventually

She already said this on Holotalk. And told them to be themselves and stay strong.

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>>7190970
>>7191009

opened a roommate twitter account.

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>>7191012
Is stars' management cool enough to let them openly talk about graduated stars and maybe collab with them if they reincarnated?

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>>7191015
All this censorship bullcrap and management going full retard are recent things.

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>>7190887
That's a whole lot of bullshit. Lurk the numberthreads more. New nijis are reclining fast as their debut buffs is wearing off, look into their Collab numbers, 10-22k. EN doesn't get 5k consistently. They're still below 2.5k in most streams.

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>>7189018
>if this keeps happening, we may not be here next year

Nice, Managers are faggots

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>>7191051
Oh wow, it's unironically over. Most of old guard will be gone in half a year.

[Anonymous No.]

The fad will be over before christmas screencap this

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>>7191051
As It*-chan? Or did she use a new handle?

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>>7191051
>Numbers Incarnate openly planning an exit strategy
If Cover doesn't unfuck themselves hard it's unironically over.

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The fact that Irys has the words despair and hope as a central part of her lore and involved on her songs says something about morale in holo management.
Whatever they were trying to do with these concepts was wasted by how jarring her model looks.

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>>7191097
Nijibros we keep on winning

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>>7191120
Her model is the despair part.

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>>7190801
>It doesn't help that it's a lot harder to merchandise (and cut in the talents) when you're blacklisted from China
Getting blacklisted from China is a blessing in disguise. The further the chinks stay away from Hololive the better.

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>ENTER MAN FROM THE FUTURE

Coco will be the only hololive member with a proper, drama free graduation.

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>>7190801
Just spin it as “helping local Japanese manufacturing companies” bullshit like any competent company would.

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There's a big cirlce of talents that are very deeply involved with holo and wouldn't leave unless some really major yab made hololive's existence itself unsustainable, some of which (Miko, Marine, Subaru, Aqua) are actually strong enough to carry the brand. You might see a major hololive decline if a wave of graduations really comes, but you won't see it end or become irrelevant so soon.

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It only takes Kuzuha to graduate for niji to be completely irrelevant and people starts doomposting about how Hololive would die if one or two graduates. Just stop making up stupid rrats on an unconfirmed article, retards.

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>>7191239
Subaru already prevented two graduations early on (Miko and Okayu).
She’s already pulled her weight by far.

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>>7191066
Kira definitely, Not sure about the other two as Kaoru's graduation was sketchy and produced many rrats, and I know nothing about Suzaku or his graduation.

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>>7191245
EOP clipwatcher levels of ignorance. You probably learn more about holo from this board than straight from the source.

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>>7191291
The sources lie and divert from the truth all the time.

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>>7191315
As opposed to /vt/?!

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>>7190873
>be themselves and do whatever the hell they want.
I mean, they're probably thinking more about entertaining their fans. The issue is that they have a creative idea that they think their fans will love, and it doesn't get approved by management..

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>>7190793
>One less corporation to shit on.

ZhangSanji
ChinkSanji
卍Sanji
TouristSanji
ManSanji
Kuzuha & friends
Pooh's favorite onna hole

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>>7191315
what kind of retarded cope is this

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>>7191334
>The issue is that they have a creative idea that they think their fans will love, and it doesn't get approved by management..
This is probably the most common reason that holomems seethe at management.

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>>7191326
/vt/ didn't tweet about quitting. /vt/ didn't take breaks for months. /vt/ didn't openly discuss life after hololive on stream.

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>>7190804
no, should I? I haven't used this site in years lol

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>>7189233
Nuh-uh, I was the manager they interviewed and I told them the truth. I also told Ayame to make up that IBS shit so she'd have more time to suck me off.

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>>7191369
From what I noticed with EN, their direct managers are generally supportive of their ideas. Upper management is where most of them die.
The whole thing with Gura is that she doesn’t want to deal with management so she just gives up (she gets spontaneous creativity).

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And people were calling me "stupid" for saying Matsuri freaking out as much as she was over Haachama was ONLY because she had an extremely high chance of graduating. There was no other reason for her to be reacting the way she did over a fucking birthday, other than panicking that she was legit going to leave and potentially never hear from her again.
Lo and behold on her return, she confirms it.

Shion is next. She's in an even worse position than Haachama was, oddly enough, purely because of her mindset. If she stays I'd be seriously fucking surprised.
But given her seeming closeness to Delta, who is doing pretty fine on her own, I dunno man, I see her splitting.
The only person I can see convincing her to stay is notCoco and Haachama since they talk regularly.

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>>7189018
Love this article op thanks for posting

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>>7191464
Shion has like no career prospects or any chance at them. Every adult is probably telling her the same thing.

If Cover gets permissions for the pokemon diamond and pearl remakes expect Shion to be back right away and then fuck off.

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>>7191548
What the fuck is taking them so long for Pokémon perms. They’re already sponsored by them for launches.

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Reminds me of the Rrat that spawned from 5chan that Coco would graduate. Guess what? Not even a week later Coco announces her graduation. She's gone now. Vanished. Never coming back.

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>>7191531
>Kazuki Takahashi
Wait isn't that the Yugioh creator?

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>>7191585
The problem with permissions culture is that companies start to believe withholding/conditioning permissions has any worth to them. TPCI is one such company.

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>>7191605
I don't know but he's having a very fun time it seems

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>>7191066
Kira's graduation was pretty regular, so it's ok to talk about him like how holos do with Coco. About the others no clue. Stars management isn't too terrible so i don't think it's strict on that regard.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you prefer Hololive to stay the same or would you rather see a mass graduation wave if it meant Cover actually does something beneficial for once to get us out of the stale content? Like more permissions, less "rules", pretty much more freedom.

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>>7191663
If they didn't learn anything after Coco's graduation then they deserve what's coming.

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to anyone here saying "then why coco persuade haachama" think for a second, does haachama has a roommate account as famous or wellknown as kson? even if she is 1million+ subs how are the fans going to find her, coco put some sense on haachama by telling her "you are not the same as me, people already know my other me; and you havent made any content of your other you, so unless you start doing that now dont even think about quitting cause you will lose a lot of money, and until you set up your alternate acc most likely people will forget a bit about you"

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>>7190732

Yes, whether the source is correct or not, this is a plain statement of fact. Hololive is very good at giving girls initial exposure and a huge burst of fame. How much value they provide long term after that is extremely questionable.

Just about any large Vtuber with a loyal fanbase can leave their corporation behind and be fine, honestly. Even if they lose some fans in the process they'll still be bigger than almost any Indy.

The Vtuber industry is so new and has surged in popularity so recently that both management and talent is only now starting to realize all the long-term implications of these arrangements they largely just stumbled into half-assedly a few years ago.

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>>7191719
Exactly. She has like 7 different fucking accounts last I remember, a mess of them scattered across the place. All dead from the looks of it.

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>>7191719
Yes, the consensus on /vt/ is that Coco and Kanata, two adults that have been through some shit, sat down an 18-19 year old girl to explain how she'd be making a mistake.

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What's going to happen to /vt/ once the Holoexodus starts?

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>>7191627
wait a goddamn minute

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>>7191719
>how are the fans going to find her
They already have. 5ch always find them within their debut first week.

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>>7189018
We have a mole.

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>>7191826
Indie Renaissance
Mori gets groomed Koopa-style
Amelia says nigger and gets banned from Twitch

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>>7189608
>Either way, Hololive should, if they haven't already, purged any management that are more of a hindrance to the talent then a boon. And to gain trust back with the fans if only little and show of willingness to change this should be done openly. But I doubt Yagoo or Hololive has the spine for that, at best they will put those bad managers in positions were they can cause as little harm as possible, the nippon way.

but anon. what about employer-employee loyalty

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>>7189622
>cucked soi boi.

opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.]

I could see a few of the girls being "bigger" than the company itself at this point. Cover has to make sure they stay loyal.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder what management can say or do to keep their talents within hololive? Besides contract negotiation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7191826
This.
>Plan for action to stop holoexodus.

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>>7190383
your right. haachama is more important than coco

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Thinking about it, didn't Pekora visit that site? Didn't she have it on her phone?
She probably posted the profile. That's hilarious.

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>>7191832
well if JP alone can sustain her for her whole life good, but compared to what kson is doing, join the EN side of vtubing/content creation is worse, cause she will still have to deal with JP copyright and that also doesnt give freedom completely, if she wants the true freedom she needs to do the same as kson, make some content from time to time in the alt acc start gaining subs there, at least 100k and make sure people know her on this side not only JP then after that she can finally graduate and live free as an indie

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>>7192025
Every girl probably visits 5ch, that site is pretty mainstream in Japan.

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>>7191975
Stress the benefits of being corpo vs. being indy.

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>>7191975
Good cuts on merch and sponsorships (hard for indies to organize the former at least)
Less getting jerked around by management fuckery.
Actually getting permissions for new games and music.

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>>7192059
>benefits

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>>7192039
sorry i meant compared to what kson is doing(joining the EN side of vtubing) JP side is worse

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>>7190873
>Calli, she's practically just waiting for her real big gig in her alt before she leaves the nest too.

will never happen. she is too ugly and had too little talent

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>>7192069
That reminds me I think Kiara mentioned that the girls all put in a shit ton of permissions requests recently. Especially Gura.

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>>7191826
More ringo threads

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>>7192089
>kson
>joining the EN side of vtubing
Where did that rrat come from?

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>>7192128
>Management finally deigns to open up permission requests from the ENs
>Fax machine out of ink

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>>7192058
>all the jp holos visit shitboards
>none of the en speaking ones ever visit /vt/
What went wrong?

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>>7192139
I don't think he even knows at this point.

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>>7192173
You fucking know Mori is /here/, she's probably a doomposter even.

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>Final yab
I feel like the whole incident with Mel and her manager was final yab worthy. Hololive was just relatively smaller back then and they should count their blessings Mel never left so greater details never leaked. Imagine word about managers harassing talent getting out now?

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>>7192139
wdym where did that rrat come from? you think kson wants to deal with jp copyright laws by completely focusing on doing jp content instead of EN content were ok it doesnt have as much freedom but is not as bllsht as JP

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>>7192242
So in other words, your ass.

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>>7192069
To be honest with you, you just described what VShojo provides to indies minus the getting permissions part, which I would say is a plus because it hinders what they can do.

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>>7191975
Help them produce music
Actively go after doxxing groups
Provide technical support so talents don't have persistent tech issues for 6+ months(Ame's video card, Gura's capture input delay, ect).
Stop hiring riggers like umiushi

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>>7192233
If there were any more stories that came out about the managers harassing talent, especially now, it'd be the scale of at least 3 final yabs

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>>7192242
You're so stupid I don't even know where to start, but the fact that she's already hyping up her new avatar mostly in Japanese should give you a clue.

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>>7189018
you're an idiot, OP

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>>7189018
wow hololive fans are vocal about Coco's graduation and they are not happy. They're discontented with the way Cover cucked to China. I guess they were holding out hope for a good managment route. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have Coco rehired. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

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With things being so sensitive on the EN side what would have happened if they gave IRyS a 3D model first?

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>>7192284
> the scale of at least 3 final yabs
my god, that's almost half a yabocalypse

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>>7192280
>Provide technical support so talents don't have persistent tech issues for 6+ months(Ame's video card, Gura's capture input delay, ect).

This is a good point, I get that they dont provide hardware but why dont they provide technical support when bad things happen?

[Anonymous No.]

Holomem and management are looking at kson's independent activities and success carefully, I bet you.

Holomem want to know if they can be successful post graduation, management dont want her to be successful to encourage hope so they can keep their talents within hololive

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>>7192576
It was mentioned that they only do tech support for company owned things. Which means just their phone.

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>>7189018
When Coco's graduation announcement went out I initially blamed COVER thinking they got rid of her to protect themselves. As time went on I began to consider the idea that she left to protect COVER and the other girls. Obviously I don't know the truth, but the rrat still lingers.

Sometimes I wonder if they're planning to quit while they're ahead and just can't say anything about it. Some of the girls seem less than confident that they'll be streaming on a long term timescale. If the alleged manager comment is true that's a pretty big indicator that things are decaying.

A great deal of fun is made at the expense of various fanbases but these girls do real good in the world and bring a little happiness to a lot of very sad people. It hurts to think that the company is internally demoralized and planning to duck out. I just want my oshi to be happy. That's it.

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>>7192576
Botan is literally the only person in Japan who knows how to build a computer, please understand

>>7192610
Even if they make good money right now, streaming with an anime avatar is not a secure lifelong career, and I sure hope they all have an exit strategy even if it's not in the immediate future.

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>>7192576
They can only do tech support for what they give you. If some girls have different streaming hardware they probably require different steps to fix any issues.

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>>7191961
Fucking autistic zoomers can't into obvious humor, I fucking hate all these new fags

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>>7192610
Thinking back to the other day, Ollie Minecraft, she was talking about the future of her time in Hololive and how she hopes it doesn't end any time soon. But the way she was saying it was in a sort of "it might be out of my control" sort of way, with a sense of immediacy about it.
I can't remember for the life of me what time she was mentioning it.

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>>7192576
They do to some degree, but as everything else, it's really shitty and holos can't really count on management to ensure they have a high quality streaming environment, which is the minimum reasonable support they should be providing given how big holo has gotten.

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>>7192610
>If the alleged manager comment is true that's a pretty big indicator that things are decaying.
Not really decaying, but rather it's just the state of things from the beginning. Graduations and hiatuses do cut into revenue, and if there's a full scale revolt the company is dead. It was also pretty clear from the beginning that due to the loose management structure, the talents have the company by the nutsack, and it's not just Cover either, almost all vtubing companies are like this. And you can see some other companies like Ichikara trying to stave this off with another business model by rolling out so many talents that even if some do quit, it would not be a big revenue impact.

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>>7189018
I mean their managers are complete fucking retards. They deserve to be unemployed.

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>>7191663
You do realize why they have more rules now right? It's the downside of their popularity. More fans means more antis.
There are thousands of antis just waiting for a minor slip up so they can report the channel and get it banned.
Look at what happened to Mio and started the holocaust and permissions. Two ghost trick streams were given strikes in rapid succession and one more would have gotten her channel banned.
Cover stopped doing swimsuit streams last summer too out of fear that people would report them and get their channels banned.
Yeah, it sucks that they're technically more restricted in what they can do but don't act like there isn't a good reason for it or that they're being prevented from having amazingly creative streams.
Their content really hasn't changed in general from before Cover got scared and they obviously still have a lot of creative freedom, just look at Ame, Polka, Subaru, ect.

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>>7189018
Just hire new people like Nijis lmao

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>>7189018
Yeah well, this is the company that has collab bans on new talents and yesterday IRyS got a "warning" for entering the JP minecraft server instead of the EN one. As if it fucking matters. She got good interactions with Polka, it was fun. But Cover management fucking hates fun, then they wonder why Coco fucked off and why others may be thinking about it too when this is the company that absolutely spergs the fuck out over a goddamn minecraft server. I love the girls, and even the holostars, but the management in this company is fucking retarded to the point where it stops being funny at all and it's just insufferable.

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>>7192856
Don't worry bro I got the timestamp right here
https://youtu.be/kwyydB5zzrU

[Anonymous No.]

There's things you can do as a vtuber that you just can't do as a normal streamer. Keeping your roommate account is great and all but people aren't gonna watch you if you're 3DPD. And if you go indie as a vtuber you're just not gonna get the numbers you were getting previously in an established company.

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>>7192993
>She accidentally entered the wrong server
>Polka helped redirect her to the right place
>somehow management didnt say Oh no irys went on the wrong server we'll help fix this
>instead they gave her a "warning" for it

Holy shit, how incompetent is management

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>>7192993
>yesterday IRyS got a "warning" for entering the JP minecraft server instead of the EN one
Why do you keep lying? There's no way a manager would "warn" anyone for entering a kids block server. At least make your rrats believable

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>>7192993
Ogey chinks

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>implying zhangs have any power over HoloEN

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>>7193042
They probably don't need another million subs, but wouldn't something around 300K be good as long as you get people becoming members and giving donations?

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>>7193089
It's true. I was the warning.

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>>7192856
Or maybe its because Indonesia is currently burning down due to plague and there's a lot of uncertainty in the air.
>>7192907
Or maybe given that how it hasn't even been a month and /vt/ is still losing their shit about Coco's graduation, one would expect that kind of fear is still present at Cover. Who knows when that quote (if it was real) was taken, anyways? If it was a couple weeks after the graduation announcement (it certainly wasn't recently given that Haato is back) then yes, people were still losing their shit.

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>>7193069
>>She accidentally entered the wrong server
>>Polka helped redirect her to the right place

How different is this from Jim Crow laws? Why is Cover so racist?

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>>7191234
yeah fuck china. make japan great again

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>>7191239
Subaru and aqua strong ?!?! anon....

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>>7193210
The duck literally survived a heart defect and a housefire retard

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>>7193137
I mean it could be, but the timing is way too perfect. I hope it isn't the case.
In saying that, Ollie wouldn't have as many problems reaching out and growing again even if Hololive did sink.
All the introverts, however, are fucked.

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>>7193210
It's just funny how he included fucking Miko and not Pekora

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>>7192949
Cover right now are the most professional and competent they've been since they started. The things people complain about are all a necessary part of growing into a "serious" media company.
People who want their chuubas to ignore copyright and skirt the YouTube TOS should go watch 2views, because corpos literally cannot provide what they want.

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>>7193279
Noooo, Korodog should just stick it to the maaan dawg!
These people are delusion. Not only does that shit not fly in the West, it 100% doesn't in the East. Japan is even harsher with copyright infringement issues.

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>>7191076
No they aren't, Matsuri, Haachama, and Mel have all had fights with management throughout the years. Do your reps before speaking.

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>>7190661
based pedantic friend

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>>7193210
Strong in terms of having the power to keep bringing in viewers and sponsors, not mentally strong.
>>7193250
Because I was talking about members who would probably stay to the very end unless the holo ship itself sank as a whole. Pekora is not one of those.

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>>7193243
What timing? The author clearly wrote the article before the end of June, he doesn't even mention watching the graduation stream although he spends like three paragraphs talking about the 12 minute announcement. Probably just a slow news day.

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>>7192610
This. Remember back in February when Pekora cried Live on stream and nearly quit because of Cover dumbass management. Yeah. The final yab is sooner than we think.

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>>7192173
>none of the en speaking ones ever visit /vt/
All of them do Anon, even ID's do.
Mori even fucking ranted on her 3rd latest previous stream. Heavily implied since there were like 3 threads about hating her with a ton of replies on them.

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>>7189018
>misinformation
Then Cover can sue for libel.

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>>7193678
The author is an MFA which by definition is someone that has no money.

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>>7193590
Eh? What article are you ta.. Oh the OP, I don't care about that. I'm speaking about current shit outside of that.

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>>7189018
>the top vtuber company is going to die in a year
how are antis this delusional?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7193564
Add the sheep to your list. Though she's not too deeply involved and might be able to leave intact if she somehow got convinced to.

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>>7193590
Speaking of the author I decided to do some light digging in case this was an elaborate troll, and AFAIK he is an "accomplished" journalist. I didn't think of the possibility that this article was written before the end of June and is now just published without any revision. Not even a mention of Haachama coming back, even if that was just last week.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive management just too dumb.
They are too lazy to shill gaming company & music side for permission. They are content creator management for god sake, your talent will have easier time making content if they have lot of material to use. Is it hard to send cookies or gift twice a year to your connection as goodwill? It also improve your standing in bussiness industry, that in return will gives you sponsorship.
They also suck at cutting operational cost. I wont say abandon SC but use streamlab too, less cut from sussie mean more money for talent & company, coco suggest this before but management shut it down. Same case with mixer, illustrator or rigger, i wont say that cover have to hire them as employee but atleast secure contract with them. That will be more profitable in long run and will ensure best quality for fans.
Last one will reinvest your money. If they too cheapskate to invest in tech then just reinvest in HR. Do some PR/CR/legal trainning for talent every period time to avoid yab. Some free dance/singing/music lesson also help in case they serious about their idol kayfabe. Dont mind me im just rant.

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>>7193833
Regardless of when it was written, framing Coco's graduation as some seismic shift signalling the end times of vtubing is dumb.
Cover and Anycolor alone had a combined 44 graduations before Coco's announcement. Entire agencies have come and gone. Most of the big OG vtubers are either dead or faded into irrelevancy. Somehow, despite all this, we are still able to watch anime girls play Minecraft.

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>>7193827
Sheep would only stay because she needs her fanbase as an emotional crutch, if she sees that she can keep that outside of holo she'd leave without so much as blinking. She made her stance pretty clear when she explained why she didn't want to join the Bloom live.

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>>7193957
Oh shit! You're right. Forgot entirely about the bloom thing... That's such a chad move from her, and the fact that it's paying off big time means she's either super smart, or she talked to Coco about it.

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>>7194028
Not sure if it's such a smart move. Bloom was apparently pretty successful and Towa for example used it to debut her original song, which as far as I know turned out to be more successful than any of sheep's originals. If you ask me it was more of a missed opportunity than anything for Watame, for being too hard-headed on wanting to promote a solo artist image.

[Anonymous No.]

and into the trash it goes

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>>7193950
>Be this dumb newfag anon
>Think Coco's graduation is insignificant
>Get call a retard

You are a retarded ass nigger

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>>7193650
>Mori even fucking ranted on her 3rd latest previous stream. Heavily implied since there were like 3 threads about hating her with a ton of replies on them.

good to know i have an effect on the pink tranny. she sounds like a man for fucjs sake

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189018
Chinks ruined vtuber industry. Fuck them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7194257
lol fuck the orcs. remember that based Japanese mad lad that killed the libtard political in the 1960s over foreign invasion immigration policies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7190763
what did Kaoru do?

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>>7190873
Gura left a 1 mil channel, what’s 3 mil to her anyways?

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>>7194471

No one actually knows, but his ass was out the door so fast with no attempt at a cover story that he must have done something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7194518
I made him pregnant, sorry about that.

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>>7194518
Wasn’t there a rrat that he was using his vtuber name for beyblade tournaments or something stupid like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7193886
It's hard enough to get YouTube to do anything when you're handing them hundreds of thousands of dollars every month. Imagine what happens when you're handing them peanuts.

For all the shit they get, they did fix every Hololive-related fuck up thus far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189867
everything cute and wholesome in that image ruined by that one faggot....
it makes me so happy that i did the correct choice with hologirls

[Anonymous No.]

>>7194396
Japanese copyright law fucked vtubing harder than anything the chinks did

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>>7194566
I'm sure that was post Hololive on his mutuu or whatever account. The same account he collabed with the magnet from VOMS with, funnily enough. I wonder if he has her new account added. Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7194944
>Gundou
>wholesome
newfag, DYRBI?

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>>7194500
Pretty sure there's a high probability that the subs can migrate back to the 1 mil one if she ever suddenly resurfaces there.

But then again, it seems that she wants to leave that part of her life behind already so I don't see her coming back to that. So her only option would be reincarnation again but who knows if that's gonna be blessed

[Anonymous No.]

>>7194471
He was caught cheating on his wife with an employee at hololive. She forced him to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7195172
All me.

[Anonymous No.]

I come from the year 2022. Kson has activated her plan, sparking the Holoexodus. Many speculated that Hololive would shutdown, but instead they started announcing new gens at Nijisanji's pace. The majority of new hires leave one year later to go back to being indies, retaining most of the fans they gained from Hololive. 85% of all active indies have been in Hololive for at least one year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7195211
If you're me then who's you? All me? Yes all me nigga.

[Anonymous No.]

I come from the year 2042. Kson has activated her plan, sparking the Holoexodus. Many speculated that Hololive would shutdown, but instead they started announcing new gens at Nijisanji's pace. The majority of new hires leave one year later to go back to being indies, retaining most of the fans they gained from Hololive. 85% of all active indies have been in Hololive for at least one year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7191034
How does one find Ame's roommate account?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7191223
>ENTER MAN FROM THE FUTURE
What? Niggers here are really mentally disabled. You forgot your meds.

But I believe nonetheless. While Coco leaves in style and is celebrated as "The" Legend who carried vtubing. Every other hololive member will remain as an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189800
She literally said the birthday stream was a one time thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189018
>Wasting your time with a shitty article from some literal who website
>full of schizo naratives, no sources, no foundation for its truthfulness at all

yeah no...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7194950
>Japanese copyright law fucked vtubing harder than anything the chinks did

fuck the law. you japs need to learn to be rebellious ciw boys like us Americans

[Anonymous No.]

I told them to cite me as "niggerfaggot" but they went with this anonymous hololive manager bullshit. fucking cowards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189018
Bullshit. If this is true then there'd be no reason for Coco and Kanata to convince Haachama to resume streaming again.

[Anonymous No.]

It'd be really sad to see it disband. Even if I could just follow their roommates, having them all in one company where they collab within is a huge part of what I love.

[Anonymous No.]

what is the probability that onward Cover's contracts with holos and new gens will have a condition to nuke and be inactive on the roommate channel as long as they stream as a holo, also making a non-competition clause, to prevent from reincarnating after graduation for god knows how long,
those are pretty common nip idol industry shenanigans

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>>7195707
Haachama had no real exit to go to. Leaving would be pointless. She'd only have education left.
if she sparks up an old persona again, you'll know she intends to quit and siphon her followers there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189018
>if this keeps happening
If what keeps happening? Graduations? Only one holo graduated this year, stop making it sound like it's a common ocurrance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189242
managers also do stuff like get permissions, work with companies for shit like merch or promotions, keep the talents on track during crunch time, that sort of thing. Bigger indies often have their own managers its not just a hololive thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>7195694
This is probably unironically true.

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>>7195713
I doubt it's going to disband any time soon despite all the doomposting. The ones most likely to quit are people that don't network much within or outside hololive, if anything. Coco really was isolated after all, she basically only did some Monhun and the reddit meme reviews for collabs which honestly must've been incredibly dull for someone like her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196113
Coco is had an extremely strong network within hololive, her case is completely different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7195839
no streamers besides corporate japanese vtubers need to get permissions to stream games

Do you think XQC and Pewdiepie get permission to stream games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196205
They don't need to get permission, they get paid to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7195530
For you Anonsama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196205
google pewdiepie copyright strike

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196506
they get paid to get permission? who gets paid?
the manager?
the performer?
the game developer?
cover themselves?
>>7196528
are you talking about the Alinity false copyright strike or the firewatch one?
Firewatch gave him a strike because they didn't like him personally
not because they didn't give him permission
they never struck anyone else either so it's not really a point

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189018
>Doom posting about haato when she's already come back
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196506
I think anon is talking about having to get permission for streaming any game they want, one from the game developer and another from Cover themselves. Western streamers don't have to get permission to stream any games and why would the game developers stop them when it's free advertisement for them? That's how Among Us exploded.
It's different from getting paid to advertise some game, which I think that is what you are referring to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196911
>It's different from getting paid to advertise some game, which I think that is what you are referring to.
I think they might be talking about Twitch's bounty system or sponsored streams in general like you said
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/bounty-board-program-information-and-faq?language=en_US

but it has nothing to do with what I said so idk

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196911
They don't try to get permission, but technically they should. There's been cases of retarded game devs going after YouTubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7193886
It’s sad because nijisanjis is doing the exact shit that you mentioned.

And I fucking hate mansanji

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is full of idiots living in mud huts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7197480
board*

[Anonymous No.]

>>7191401
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

ill enjoy chubas till Peko graduates

after that day the entire concept is dead to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7191605
It is

[Anonymous No.]

>>7196512
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>7197480
>>7197526
Be nice to our SEA brothers and sisters...lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189977
Oh she's opening the back door alright...

[Anonymous No.]

>One cheeky Barney slowly dissolving your company,
i wonder how managment is feeling, she left with a bang that can't be topped, now is either life or death for them, i bet Cover management is praying for k*on to fell into obscurity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7198182
I almost think she has something on them. I think the whole YAGOO interview was just her way of taking a big massive shit on them in secret, just because she could.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7189018
>Read through the start
>seems alright, presents information that I already know but outsiders don't
Then
>"Male viewers can absolve themselves of guilt (it’s just a cartoon!) while tossing money at their 2D dream date, cheering her on and taking paternal, patronizing care of her, mansplaining the real 3D world."
>proceeds to get multiple facts wrong, excludes nuance of statements, fucks up the timeline
Goddammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>7198489
So somebody with a political agenda is writing nonsense and the retards on this board are eating it up, not just the usual antis but the drama-loving Cocofags as well who want to see Hololive fail as some kind of petty revenge. Sad but not unexpected of these retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7198489
did you miss the Gura softdox and the condemning of doxxing in the same paragraph near the end of the article anon

[Anonymous No.]

4chan is such a farcical parody of a website and this thread proves it lol. Get DDOS

[Anonymous No.]

>>7191051
If this is true then Cover is in deeper shit than we thought. Pekora is too interested in numbers to consider leaving Hololive and its brand for anything other than a massive behind the scenes shitfight, if she's planning her exit then it's all over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7199104

Good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7199104
She probably just re-opened it to add Coco and others. It's her old one that still has Matsuri and Noel added.
The shock to the system made a lot of them want to reach out outside of Hololive since many of the isolated groups all started adding each other.
Whether or not it is because the company is about to shit itself is a question of time I guess. Pekora certainly won't be one of the ones to suffer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7198489

Eh, my take is more along the lines of "whatever doofus wrote this article may have accidentally gotten one thing right, and it's interesting enough to talk about"

I'm sure whoever wrote the article I didn't read is completely retarded and has bad motives, but I think it is actually true that the power dynamic with Vtubers is starting to shift away from corporate control.

I suspect that when the Vtuber boom first started, companies had too much confidence in the strength of their brand and IP control of characters vs whatever disposable actors they hired to play them.

It's turning out that most vtubers fans are more personally loyal to their favorite streamers, like with every other type of youtuber/Twitch Streamer etc than they are to the 2d mask they wear.

If Coco is able to walk away from her Corporate Character and take her fanbase with her, and by all indications so far she has, then so can anyone else with a loyal enough audience and a bit of foresight. That means companies like Cover have much less leverage over talents than they thought they did, and any vtuber company right now with already drawnup contracts could face dissolution if enough talents decide to move on.

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>>7199288

Rabbit shit won't do a fucking thing. She's a grifter, just like rest of them.

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>>7190793
Incredibly based

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>>7199498

Honestly, Kaguya Luna is the only one to not even a huge grifter anymore. She knew what she didn't anymore clout, and left lol. Good for her.

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>>7198724
>Cocofags want to see Hololive fail as some kind of petty revenge
>as coco herself continues to support holomem and convincing them to invest in their holo careers even after she graduated
Those aren't cocofags.

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>>7199681
wat
>>7199498
She doesn't really need to. Not for a while.

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>>7199681

At least Belko knew this, and he fucking hates clout chasing shit lol

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>>7199474
Yeah, people really learned that lesson, but it was when back when Kizuna Ai realized she had the power to take control over her own character. That guy is really just an ill informed retard.

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>>7198489
Look, if he hadn't put that line in about shameful, guilty males and mansplaining, his girlfriend probably wouldn't have let him sit in the corner and watch while her bull fucked her. Give him a break.

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>pekora starts an alternative twitter account
>HOLY SHIT PEKORA IS RETIRING
You people are retarded beyond belief.

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Wtf, Lulu graduated? she was my favorite niji

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>>7199749

> Not for a while

my sides

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>>7199681

Kaguya Luna: the only good Vtuber we didn't deserve, even though she was still kinda shit lol. At least she knew Vtubing was going to die eventually unlike these Holocunts

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>>7191051
spoonfeed me, I love Peko.

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>>7191245
>Ina
>meh

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>>7199899
Rrats are always true until proven false. Pekora will graduate because I said so.

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I'm clinically retarded, when someone says roomate, they mean a vtuber's previous job streaming?

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>>7200277
notMatsuri has her added. It's not hard to find her. notPeko has exactly one tweet.
You should be able to go through 89 people in no time.

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>>7200736
yes and not really,
it means person behind the avatar, accounts, tweeters, channels of them outside vtubing, used to refer as a "roommate" to avoid getting banned for posting offtopic on /vt/ and /jp/ vtuber related threads
now eat.

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>>7195526
For real how the fuck

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>>7200847

> This anon is still pretending

my sides

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>>7197117
They should but every dev that isn't retarded, Japanese or both actually understands how free advertising works

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does not-Peko have any tweets? is there a reason she activated an account? I just want Pekora to be happy, not upset.

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>>7201066
Are you deranged?
>>7200981
Some people still had her old Twitch followed. She renamed it and attached a new Twitter to it. I assume one person just randomly decided to check it and happened to spot it. (or Ame posted it herself, which is not unsurprising)

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>>7201156
>is there a reason she activated an account?
Nobody knows. Wait and see.

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>fighting game player
>perfected

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>>7201066
https://twitter.com/11onico/status/1420432937959313410

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>>7201198

Takes one to know one, you liar. Shut the fuck up you fake ass Elroy

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>>7201451
You need to be 18 to post here.

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>>7201332

That's even not her real account

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>>7201488

Do better gaslighting and goalposting lol

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>>7201503
Learn how to use Twitter, child.

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>>7189018
They interviewed the trash taste manager Meilyne so its likely the anonymous hololive manager was actually a holostars manager which totally makes sense that if stars continue to graduate or under perform the stars will be cut in a year

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>>7201755
>YAGOOs pet project will be cut
lol no

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>>7195769
I'd suggest that this is already in place, if you look at how Delta till quite some time to really start the ball rolling.

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>>7191961
A bit of a newfag

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>>7201755
Shinove would murder the higher ups rather than fire his boys.

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>>7195769
>>7202000
Non-compete clauses are only legal in Japan in extremely specific circumstances. They wouldn't be enforceable for something like vtubers or streaming / voice acting.

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Polka’s roommate is active too

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>>7197117
Because in the west most devs know that streamers and YouTubers are free advertisement and shooting them kills your PR. Meanwhile Japan is still stupid about it and has been for years. Look at Atlus and the old Nintendo partner program.

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>>7202250
Pretty sure she hasn't been inactive at all.

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>>7202372
I remember people talked about her skipping King meanwhile she already did it on her roommate.

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>>7189018

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>>7201645

Fuck off and fuck no

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>>7202836
The Rrat king i kneel.

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>>7202000
Come on Delta is taking her fanbox supporters for a fucking ride, its been more than 6 months since she commissioned her L2D and her album is still no where to be seen.

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>>7197539
all done & works. thanks!

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>>7202250
>active
Not physically lmao

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>>7203172
Well you know what you can do?
Pic related.

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>>7203228
She's been streaming on her YT channel. You'll see unlisted stream links in the Delta thread whenever one of those pop up.

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>>7189018
>if this keeps happening, we may not be here next year

Which machine translator did he use?