What are you hot takes about VTubers/Vtubing?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

/here/ vtubers do(did) not deserve to be treated like demons or grifters. Koopa, Kiki and Beatani were a different breed from what we had after them. And we should've treasured them to prevent the current prototype of here vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
phase connect talents do a better job as entertainers, generally speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

Aside from being sociably awkward neets, everything about them is a lie, starting by their looks. They are just a product design to farm attention from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
>what are you hot takes about vtubers
Certified ESL thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793560
Just anti-fatfingered the R key

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793551
In my experience, most vtubers are actually hot paradoxically

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793551
Usually they are hot but prefer using an avatar so they don’t have to put make up on or just because they want to stay anonymous or they are just shy

[Anonymous No.]

lore videos are cool and more vtubers should fo harder on keyfabe

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is an amazing company full of wonderful talents and they deserve their popularity.
That being said, other corps and indies need to fuck off from copying them, and I don't mean it in a tribal way.
Hololive built itself up from the ground and created strength behind its name, but this process took AGES.
Nobody is going to give a FUCK about you if you try copying them, because nobody knows who you are nor what to expect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Most of the female streamers, are lazy whores that coast along on the good graces of lonely men. The hardworking / talented ones are few.

[Anonymous No.]

GFE vtubers are just looking for a reason to steal money from you while being lovey dovey. They're like actual girlfriends who for some reason always want your money for something

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
There is literally nothing wrong with being parasocial.
Only tourists think it's a bad thing.
Vtubing wouldn't exist without the parasocial aspect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
I think that ENVtubing culture is horrible. There are some exceptions like HoloEN, a few indies and some members in small corpos who try to emulate JPVtubing, they're okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793406
Containment breakers are rightfully reviled for good reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Vtuber having lore is stupid. It’s only used for them to used stupid jokes. Like fuwamcoco being demon dogs that escape from prison in the past. The only jokes they make is “Bau Bau” like a dog sound and “oh don’t make me throw you in jail ruffian you wouldn’t like it we know”
Look at korone her lore is that she’s a just a fuxking dog not all that extra crap though I just used one as an example this applies to many other vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Cunny voice is the fucking worst and the funniest part about them being so popular, is how much English speaking weebs hate anime dubs, despite how females sound the exact same

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Some Holos like Mel (rip) and Choco are really mid.
There's others but perhaps they have points that make them truly stand out that my gaijin brain can't comprehend.

[Anonymous No.]

Male vtubers are ngmi because they’re too retarded and think they know how to appeal to the female audience despite not even knowing how to appeal to women in real life

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794295
except parrot for some fucking reason

[Anonymous No.]

The entire PL/roommate hush-hush culture is designed by corpos to maximally exploit young and dumb streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
only hololive matters

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793551
Most of them look alright.
You know they don't even try because they don't even do voice reps to get better at VA stuff that they need to stream, even with no heavy kayfabe. Just for general work purposes.
What is well known is that their hygiene might be nonexistant, cue Pyon and, in the extreme opposite of popularity, the Orca and perhaps Laplus unless you tell her Towa is near or coming. That's when they pull the bombshell kit out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793884
mild take

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
vtubers can be entertaining even without forming a parasocial relationship

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795027
That's just purely making videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
I love hololive, but I don't like vtubing anymore. I consider hololive other thing, like some people predicted, vtubing just became a hobby with twitch camwhores and egirls that hate anime, anime culture, that get into political fights and are just there to farm money and drop the "vtubing" at the first opportunity they get. I have more respect for people who were previously normal streamers and later they became vtubers. And talking about RMs publicly without respecting the vtuber wishes is also a fucking shit, at least do that in a place where most people won't see you

[Anonymous No.]

It's actually entirely reasonable for unicorns to get upset that their favorite Vtuber has a lover.

The entirety of anime appeals to lonely, single people. And most content basically revolves around that fact. "Oh, don't worry Anon, if you buy this doll then Sayuri-chan will actually love you!". Streaming also generally appeals to lonely, single people. Combine this all together, what other result do you actually expect?

This isn't me defending unicorns. They're fucking pathetic and are actual losers. But I can easily see their stance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Chinese VTubers will cease to exist in the near future because the Gov will crack down on them entirely, even more so than now.
In general they will get increasingly more restrictive with anything that spawned from a Japanese interest as their economy slows down even further and they resort to keep the big guy facade.

[Anonymous No.]

They're not hot takes, but just general statements on the state of vtubing.
I find it quite necessary to be careful when becoming emotionally attached to a vtuber. You don't know them, and they don't know you. In general, the more you try to cozy up to a vtuber and attempt to form a close relationship with them, you'll end up crashing and burning as your expectations fail to meet reality and/or reality pistol whips you like your father after some white lightning. Remember that one Arctic Monkeys song:
>"Anticipation has a habit to set you up, for disappointment in evening entertainment..."

Honestly, just pirate Vtuber streams/find an APK front-end and/or use an ad blocker. Yes, yes, I know I sound like *that* guy:
>Stolen laptop
>Neighbor's wifi
>Stolen debit card
>Robbed bed
but you need to manage and HEAVILY check yourself when you're dropping 5-10% of your wealth/salary on Vtubers. It's just like gacha, the only way to win, is not pay. Also, why would you want to "roll" for a Gacha character? Just read/look at the art/hentai. I think plenty of Fate/Blue Archive/Genshin Impact characters are hot, but do I spend money/play the game to get the animated character? Heavens no.

My third rant, is a bit of a dig towards Vtubers. I am BEGGING you. Try to create a *separate* account for your Vtuber account ON YOUR PC. There are so many Vtubers, who are so tech illiterate that they really need to take a course on internet safety. It is not hard to create a local account on your computer. Also, make sure you're using a temporary debit card for any donations. Streamlabs and Twitch will dox the hell out of you!

Final rant is just on the utter lack of reading comprehension in the majority of /vt//internet users. For God's sake are you incapable of reading several sentences to understand the context of an incident? Does the world have to force a horrible corporate contract on you/skullf@ck you to FORCE you to read carefully?

Anyways, those were my rants. Take them with at least 500 grams of salt as they are of my own opinion and I have not backed them up with sources, nor do I desire to expend the energy to do so. I've got plenty more rants in the chamber, but I don't really want to spend my afternoon typing so much.

Sincerely, An Asinine Internet User

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795132
I think there needs to be more terms instead of just vtubing. Most chuubas aren't Virtual Youtubers and for there to be a sole designation to encompass the wide range of shit is kinda silly.

I'd honestly prefer if most people dropped Vtuber and just went back to Streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

Agencies should make official hentai out of terminated chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
If you refuse to learn japanese, you deserve your EN whores.
>But the japs and their laws are retarded
you deserve your EN whores
>Is it too much to ask for a chuuba who loves japan unironically without desiring to live there
yes. you deserve your EN whores
>I dont want to learn a language I'll never use
you deserve your EN whores
>But my oshi has more subs
you deserve your lazy EN whore
>you will never be ja-
Yes I never will and I don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794428
all that faggoty lore shit was omegatroon's doing.

my hot take is troons were sent into the vtubing hobby by small hat tribe to try and subvert and destroy it with homobegging, anti-unicorn cuckoldry and other faggotry, because the small hats hate that vtubing has taught white men to fall in love with women again and want to marry them, have kids and raise a family. They want to destroy marriage and the nuclear family because they want to depopulate the earth of white people, leaving behind only gentile slaves for the chosenites to rule over and vtubing (along with loli anime and anything CGDCT related) is a barrier to this. Same shit as the subtitles controversy and sweet baby and all that shit. Trannies are their golem, and they want us dead and they think it's funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794689
Male "vtubers" are not vtubers. they never ever will be. Males only become vtubers to fuck our oshis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
People that had healthy social life including sexual relationships and are from rich/upper middle class families are making most entertaining and charming vtubers. I'm not sure why, but it works that way.
Just look at Hololive. Most of people are like this and if not, they are menhera. Nijisanji on the other hands is hiring 3rd worlders and people with complexes

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think Circlejerking within the VTuber community serves most people well, I think most Choobas would be better served to integrate or associate more with the genre / companies that they tend to create content about.

Especially as it's gotten easier to download and use a model, it doesn't make you unique

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795595
If iron mouse and Connor aren’t fucking I don’t know

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795507
Thankfully my oshi is a hag who works in marketing, so I know she isn't concerned with sex. She probably was a Stacy in college to some extent judging by how socially adept she is, but I think that's why I like her. She's pretty content with life and just wants to play Diablo and spend time drinking tea while her dog barks like a wacko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793406
Don't give a shit about any of them..

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
More than half of the people in vtuber community don't watch or care about streams, they just use this community as their social hub.

[Anonymous No.]

There is no reason why male vtubers can't become popular. And in fact, male vtubers probably, on average, produce better content than female vtubers.The two big reasons why they aren't are as follows.

>1: There's just simply too many incels trying to desperately get the attention of girls who very loosely match their, the incel's, interest.
I know this braindead, but it's just so true. If more viewers weren't desperate for love, or even social interaction, they wouldn't be watching as many female chuubas. That's not to say all female chuubas are bad, some are very good. But really think about how bad a lot of female chuubas are.

>2: A lot of them are weird incels trying to amass a following.
It's like a weekly thing of a male chuuber being exposed for being an actual degenerate loser. Like, so many are just fucking groomers it's insane. And yet they're constantly higher up in terms of popularity (for male chuubas).

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795978
>incels incels incels incels incels
Rent free. ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795666
The reason is simple: That's the exact recipe for being a well-rounded person, and typically such people are enjoyable to be around. Shocker.

Most of being human is being social, you'd don't actually need to be that good at anything. And streaming is all about being social.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794705
Speak for yourself. I hope that faggot chokes on a chicken bone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
If they didn't have anime girl avatars I wouldn't watch/listen to them, except for the ones doing porn. Unless the chick in question is talking about something interesting/niche (like maybe Kirsche) then Im not listening to a women talk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796036
I'm a 300lb fat, balding man. If I was ever considered a woman I'd think the other guy is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795761
Desu, but you got to admit that streams aren't that important as they just want them to buy merch. Talents and agencies know that's were the money is at. Mostly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793406
No here tubers lie Bea were cool. They don't even have to be here, but schizo or weird ones like DeepWebUnderground are interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796225
>DeepWebUnderground
Isn't she considered Futaba /here/ tier and not 4ch /here/?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm OK with it if it's her brother or father.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
If you spend any money on a Vtuber, you're mentally handicapped.

I think the sole exception would be if there's a really, really high quality merch of a vtuber AND it's something you were already planning on getting AND it was either cheaper than the regular product or the same cost. Finding something that matches all three of these criteria is basically impossible tho.

[Anonymous No.]

no opinion here is worth anything because 90% of this board doesn't watch vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796331
I was extending the /here/ thing to just being weird and unorthodox, the few vtubers (here or not) that I've seen that are weird as hell are entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796147
I treat them as a poorly made anime, the second they start doing IRL shit I get so bored (except if it's porn, then I watch it and respect them even less)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796384
I spend money on my 2view, because i like buying her cute clothes, and making her wear them and send me pictures. I dunno, it's a good investment, and i shoot thick ropes daily. She's like my little dress up doll. Got a bit of merch too, I just like to see her happy. Everything I've done in my life has failed, so being able to make a cute girl smile and laugh gives my life at least some purpose, so i'm not a drain on everybody.

[Anonymous No.]

The main reason that Niji in particular is imploding so hard is that Riku doesn't know the meanings of the words "public relations" and "opsec". Was what they did horrible? Yes, not denying that for a second, the Doki situation for one is one of the most shameful things to have happened to this hobby to date and everyone in NijiEN bar Scarle and Vivi should be axed. That being said, what separates the Doki situation from stuff like Rushia's termination is that Cover knows how to do opsec and keep shit from blowing up. If Rushia was a Niji, we could've seen a nuclear level fallout.

Gura wouldn't even sniff the 4M subs mark if she debuted in anything besides Myth when it debuted. She is a textbook example of being in the right place at the right time.

please, give 2views a chance. Especially JP 2views. There's a good chance they'll fill out your niche of autism that a corpo won't do.

Mori only ever had one (1) good song: End of a life. Her angsty, sovlless Epic Rap Battles of History flow in 95% of her music is absolutely kneecapping her potential, but it won't change. She's a great streamer, one of my favorites, but I am yet to see someone so tone-deaf get Peter Principled this hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795550
holy buzzword boogeymen batman

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795550
>vtubing (along with loli anime and anything CGDCT related) is a barrier to this
Rumao, anything CGDCT related is just another tool for them to neuter the population. It even targets the same audience. You can become a troon openly or indulge in your self-insert CGBT delusions. All the same to them as long as you don't reproduce.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796731
Sounds like you hit the nail for the exception then. If you were already going to spend money on porn then this ain't the worst investment. I still think it's insane to spend money on porn but that's your prerogative to do so. No need to justify it to much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796814
yeah cos if i use the actual words, i instantly get GIGABANNED. Not my fault the rules here are so stupid. My point stands. They are using troons to destroy vtubing. Fortunately it is only partially working. Some vtubers along with my oshi seem immune to this shit and continue to chase the idol dream, which is what vtubing was about in the first place. Not the common normie westoid whoretrash that plagues the medium today. oh noes, i buzzworded again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796908
it's not porn... they're cute wholesome pictures... that i fap to... oh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Getting angry to Vtubers is nonsense because at the end you will graduate from watching them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796731
I think 2views are different because I'm guessing the other anon was referring to 4views/corpos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
None of the groups are "family", they might be best friends but at the first sight of image breaking trouble, the majority of their groups would crumble to dust instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795507
>Is it too much to ask for a chuuba who loves japan unironically without desiring to live there
I can name 2 ENs like this. You just have to look to find them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796984
I am the Anon. I don't fully support giving 2view money, but I'd rather they have over 4view/corpos getting it. The smaller the amount the more I'm okay with it. The fact I've seen people donate $50USD to chuubas is crazy, such a waste of money.

>>71796961
Nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796774
Good points.

I definitely agree about Gura just pulling God tier luck. But I will say that I think even 1views need a chance. It's not going to be good, but you can't be a 2view without being a 1view first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
A vtuber's popularity should be based on merit instead of the company they belong to.

[Anonymous No.]

Calli needs Holo more than Holo needs her. She makes shitty Japenglish rap and isn't very good in a lyrical, technical, or melodical sense. As soon as she touched any sort of relevancy, she was instantly shit and memed on by people who listen to actual music, regardless of which genre they listen to.
Calli makes music for 1 target audience: weebs who only listen to anime OSTs and don't like rap because they're scared of black people, or don't want to seem too normie due to nerdy autistic elitism, or think any music that's not in Japanese is shit due to weeb elitism. The only place she can actually reach her target audience is Holo. If she graduated, any relevancy she has would instantly disintegrate. She knows this, which is why any "Calli is gonna graduate!" rrat is DOA, unless she gets too arrogant and starts thinking she actually has any talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71797909
Thought this was a hot takes thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796731
What would you do if you found out your 2view had a significant other while you donated (hopefully not) thousands upon thousands to fund her lifestyle?

[Anonymous No.]

Being a Crypto-Manager probably was very stressful for Elira, and when you have to shoulder that much weight, you don’t realize how rude, angry, and spiteful you become. Elira is the face of NijiEN, whether she's popular or not. Her ability to speak Japanese probably propelled her to the position of Decato-leader of the branch, regardless of her qualifications. Elira herself probably doesn’t realize how important and influential her role is. If the rrats are real I like to think it was unintentional. That does not excuse her behavior and decisions but it at least humanizes her. It’s not so black and white but I’m not saying it’s a perfect gray either; for Elira, it's a deep, dark shade of gray. It should be noted that this grayness was cultivated by Nijisanji’s workplace environment and system. Another thing I might add is that I do believe that there is some sort of EN management that exists alongside Elira. This management exists for legal and bureaucratic reasons. This management leaves the talents alone and does not get involved unless it’s something major. In other words, they are lazy, dumb, unqualified, and incompetent. This management probably hyped her up as the “Queen of NijisanjiEN,” effectively turning her into their puppet. (1/3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798209
Two big events led to Elira’s downfall. The first event was Pomu leaving. Pomu was the person who kept everything together being a symbol of harmony and passion to the EN branch. Importantly, Pomu was her closest friend. Pomu leaving was a big blow to Elira and left her deeply saddened. The second event was Selen now known as Doki wanting to leave. In Elira's eyes, Selen/Doki was a big help and organizer behind the scenes, a pusher of projects. Her leaving would put even more pressure and stress on Elira. Elira wanted her to stay but Selen/Doki wouldn’t budge. Instead, Selen/Doki approached management directly, bypassing Elira. Elria likely took this as an insult and a minimization of her role as a Crypto-Manager. After all, we are human. With the management being a bunch of incompetent ESL fools they went to Elira for help and to gain an understanding of the situation. This is where things got chaotic and out of hand, with every side being misunderstood, confused, and angry. Things that should have not been said were most likely said. Tensions ran high and skyrocketed. Selen/Doki going back and forth with both the management and Elira/talents caused a lot of frustration from all sides. We now know the result of this frustration, confusion, and bitterness… two attempts. Management having enough of the situation terminated Selen/Doki putting out that Twitter post. Selen/Doki would then go on to tell her side of the story and give her grievances. Once these two were gone there wouldn't never be a single honest word. Elira would become a puppet on a lonely string. (2/3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798186
Sounds more like the SO's problem when that Anon isn't even trying to get with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798249
None of the talents knew it was going to go down this way. In other words, nobody knew she was going to be terminated. Even Selen/Doki didn't know until the Twitter post. The talents, wanting answers, went to the management for an explanation. However, the management purposefully lied, misinformed, and bent the truth to make the talents, and more importantly, themselves look good. They lied about Selen/Doki to Elira and the others to save face. Elira felt betrayed, Vox got spooked, and Ike I don’t know felt concerned. The management was the one who decided to make the infamous black-screen video. Elira and the others having faith and/or following orders trusted them. In the video, Elira sounded sad, scared, and bitter toward Selen/Doki. Vox, being the cocky moron that he is scoffed and tried to blow off the claims that Selen/Doki privately made. Ike sounded nervous like he didn't want to be there anymore. It’s almost like he caught on that something was wrong. Ike knew management fucked up/lied and wanted to leave as soon as possible. That is why Ike's statements were sort, irrelevant, and substantial. The black-screen video was the equivalent of getting Selen’s corpse and nailing it to a cross, showing it off for everyone to see. Of course, the black screen video was a disaster and backfired hard, rocking the whole EN branch to its core, and opening Pandora’s box of disasters and turmoil. Here we are, management has completely abandoned NijiEN, leaving them truly alone. The colorful rainbow sky has now a dark black sky. Talents now have to fend for themselves but now in even worse conditions. Ultimately, this is Nijisanji’s fault. I honestly hope Elira is alright, reflects on her actions, and focuses on what's best for her. If the company is using her as a scapegoat, then she should try her best to leave, as should the other talents. To hell with Nijisanji. But the fact still remains. If she tried to give her side of the story no one would listen. Much like King Louis XVI, the drums will begin to roll, and the crowd will sing, for the people aren’t there for a reason or explanation, they are only there for an execution. (3/3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71797909
Not disagreeing. But Calli, like all women, have a special card called "Marriage". Even if everything fails she'll be fine. All of the hologirls will be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796774
The problem with Mori is that Holofags will just praise or forgive whatever their oshi does, so Mori has no reason to improve because her fans will eat up whatever shit she puts out whether she realizes it or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795978
>There is no reason why male vtubers can't become popular.
I agree with this. In fact, I think Holostars EN got within a hair of making it work with Tempus first gen. The theme of an adventurer guild that always hangs out and streams games together was a very strong one and would've worked if they hadn't kneecapped it with faulty hiring decisions (Magni and Vesper), interference from female talents using their existence to own antis, and a disappointing follow up that was Tempus 2nd gen (who fucked the theme with their absurd designs). They nearly had a successful blueprint for making male vtubers work, without appealing to the volatile chink fujo demographic, only to throw it all away. All they needed was a small group of mentally stable-ish males that love videogames, that can get along with each-other like friends and have a cohesive design theme that doesn't heavily pander to women. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that directly pandering to women in terms of design is counterproductive, it might create a stable floor of viewership, but it massively lowers the ceiling a male vtuber could possibly achieve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Every single vtuber is a gifter(with BFs) except for my oshi and her vtuber friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795416
I feel like I probably needed that first rant, or really I need a longer version of it, seeing as I've spent around $20,000 on my oshi, which includes merch. But I feel like I'm too far gone at this point to justify tapping out right now(there's a whole HOST of things that are keeping me from cutting back, half of which are delusions)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
EN vtubers are cancer.
I wish both Holo and Niji never debuted EN branches.
>but Vshojo
No one cares about those """vtubers""" showing tbeir faces

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's baffling there are more than an acceptable amount of people doing corpo Vtubing that know a good amount of Japanese that apply for the English branch of a Japanese company and then end up plotting and executing a route to be more JP focused. Not that I begrudge them necessarily since it's a personal decision and it does work with the companies approving it hence why people keep doing it but it makes no sense why the companies can't more or less make it an official thing and hire people who want to be there and just do it up front separate from the NA market and more appropriate for Oceania and possibly a bit of overlap with EU times. I would rather have the slots that those people use actually go to people who are committed to stream appropriately for EN hours as far as NA and Western Europe is concerned.
Branch/generation transfers should also be a thing if it ends up happening anyways and is the next best thing. The timezones thing clashes way too much with unity activities that should happen a lot more often. I haven't really seen a corpo Vtuber pull it off in a frequent enough manner to make me think they would still be part of the group after such a thing happens, it's effectively like isolation of sorts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798773
>Branch/generation transfers
Didn't this technically happen with HOPE/Council turning into Promise? I guess that was mostly rectifying a past mistake, but the precedent is there now.

[Anonymous No.]

Showing everything but your face is fine for a vtuber as long as you keep the model on screen.

[Anonymous No.]

Kayfabe, lore, and immersion became meaningless when vtubers dropped the prerecorded skits content model in favor of livestreaming. When you livestream, you can't play a character 100% and you will always take some of the real you with you. In this way even the line between avatar and fleshcamming is superficial. If you prefer livestreaming you have absolutely no business complaining about vtubers showing their rtx or making it part of their content, because you already abandoned the idea of real vtubing when you turned your back on skits.

You treated real vtubers like dirt. Your standards for what counts as vtubing mean nothing and you deserve nothing.

That's my hot take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
I fucking hate that most vtubers nowadays are obsessed with braindead games like leagueshit, valo, and apex. At least apex is slowly dying, especially after the recent incident with genburten but the others need to go. Bring back REAL gaming streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798862
Yes but it should happen more often given the frequency of branch movements like I described. People like Meloco and Kotoka should've been moved a long time ago given how blatant they did that and how their streams were from the getgo all JP. Same goes for more recently FWMC doing this move. I also realize the irony of posting a complaint like this at a time like this given I'm still awake this late in the west coast of the US typing this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Males Vtubers are fine
t.male

[Anonymous No.]

>>71799095
>FWMC
I don't think this really applies to them here since despite all the shitposting, they actually DO want to be in EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71797308
Oh, especially agreed on 1views. I personally love them because you get this sense of authenticity that you don't really get being a small part of a much larger audience like a 3view/corpo. Like you're talking with an actual human being.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71799328
I don't know about that necessarily from a schedule perspective although we have yet to see one from them and everything has been pretty impromptu since they arrived there. But given historical precedence from others, I would be surprised if they didn't fall into the same trap so we will need to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Male vtubers ruined the hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
/vt/ ruined the hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
all /vt/ posters are retarded
and so are twittards and plebbitors
the true vtuber enjoyers are those who don't post on social media

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798950
Thats a (You) problem, nigger. None of the streamers I watch have played that in years, or have never played it at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798209
>>71798249
>>71798323
beautifully written, and I hope you're right about this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800480
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800480
>>71800533
Sisters sure like their fanfics

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800625
I just wanted to write something cause I was bored lol
No deeper meaning behind it.
I'm not even a Niji fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793516
>phase connect talents do a better job as entertainers, generally speaking.
more like the reason phase connect is everywhere because phasefag is retarded edgelord who want hololive but not edgy enough for them and they bitching the most everywhere specially here

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
more vtuber should follow gura in terms of using social media and creating gap

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796774
>Gura wouldn't even sniff the 4M
gura is a great shitposter and actually funny and entertaining,thats why shes popular and ppl will always watching her stream and no,niji problem is nijisanji as a whole they are just soulless corpo only care about monopolize by debuting as many as they can for short term profit.they should be gone for a better future for vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
I don't really care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798443
>The problem with Mori is that Holofags will just praise or forgive whatever their oshi does
sister,the last time i remember mori is not the one who bully selen or doing that black screen stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800767
I mean one of the favorite pasttimes of 4chan is to decry and lament the fact that on topic discussion is in fact, on topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801043
doesnt make them more "entertaining" you go to vshojo indie or some shit can be as unhinge if thats the only thing that matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800930
please learn English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801132
wrong thread fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795550
CGDCT is even more unicorn-friendly, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800767
why do they make you seethe so much? they're not even all like Pippa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801131
I don't personally care about what you like and dislike and what you want to compare it to. At the end of the day, they are now effectively competing for the #2 spot with NijiEN dropping a lot as far as Youtube Vtubing goes and they'll probably gain it at some point when I personally think EN gets merged into JP in the future. Expect to see a lot more of them given the facts on the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794755
the hygiene of many girls is like this.

[Anonymous No.]

Males are less yabby than females.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796384
but the Laplus puppet was cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801219
>they're not even all like Pippa
i have bad news for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795470
You're in the hot take thread not the based as fuck thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796731
I wish my oshi had throne or some wishlist thing. I want to buy her sweets and cute things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798939
>Kayfabe, lore, and immersion became meaningless when vtubers dropped the prerecorded skits content model in favor of livestreaming.
Shorts exists, as in tik tok format exists

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801224
>I don't personally care about what you like and dislike and what you want to compare it to
me neither,the thing is that many phasefag are thinking that phase now is bigger than they actually are,they are not that big,they have a loyal following thats for sure,but the scale is not there yet,specially when fishman suddenly debuting more JP,if they stop now it could be better,but if they follow niji instead,RIP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801310
Hololive males have brought up valid people on more than one occassion. Also one of them we know watches Hasan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Vtubing is not exciting any more. The novelty of being on the forefront of a new form of entertainment has worn off, and no one is really doing anything to mix it up and create new stardom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
nijisanji was a mistake,their business model,their approach is BAD for vtuber,"its just EN" sure,like IN,ID,KR doesnt exist,oh jp? kuzuha look "shiny" how about the other 100? they oversaturated on purpose.canibalizing each other the good thing happen when they actually quitting niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794478
suisei evolved from unwatchable into a goddess by simply dropping the retarded anime squeak

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801651
My hot take reason.

Thats due to the technology. Vtubing has pretty much looked the same for 5 years with no major tech upgrades, I'm talking about the type you can see.(I know about lighting ,colors and attaching png to the avatar etc)

No way in hell is vtubing going to stay popular in 5years, if the tech is pretty much the same. At some point some corpo has to invest in the L2d tech. This is too stagnant

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801651
I'm just here for the cute cartoon girls man.

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubing and its fanbase are lagging 5-10 years behind generic streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
While not a hot take specifically about Vtubing, a good way to hate vtubers is to spend your time here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Vtubers in 95% of all cases are just eboys and egirls. Showering them with money and pretending they are special is cringe and retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801929
I thought the same about anime, but I've all but completely stopped going to /a/ or watching anime. It needs a magic to carry it. Something like a ground swell, or a common cultural moment of victory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Hololive is mid

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
The community is dog shit, it thrives off of drama. The fans are unbearable most of the time and the overlap with anime just makes it worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
if hololive was good you guys would be watching vods all day instead of talking about nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793406
Kiki is a lying whore

[Anonymous No.]

here's my hot take of the year: all vtubers should have sex with ME

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Despite how angry it gets people to say this, most male vtuber fans just want all-boys collabs and don't care for females. It's the obnoxious minors and kpop lesbians that are loud and make people think that's the entire fanbase. Meanwhile the adults are too shy to speak up.

[Anonymous No.]

it's pedo shit for braindead weebs but the medium will eventually evolve as more normal people get interested and bring in more non-anime/japanese inspired ideas. Eventually it will become an actually decent medium for content creation.

[Anonymous No.]

Many people comes to /vt not because of drama, but because they are done with vtubing. It's not 2021 anymore, normie no longer have 24 hours at home to watching streams, finding clips, digging lores and investing time to find their kamioshi. Now they only have a few hours a day, so instead of finding new hobbies they try to look for short bursts of entertainment. That's why troons, dramatubers, nijishitstorms, TikToktubers, YouTube shorts become mainstream topics. They are just the symptoms, the root cause is normies evading this hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

-the only people who should be allowed to be vtubers are ethnically japanese females
- cover should segregate the branches into jp, en, and id corners during the fes (and in general). it would make it easier to deal with the sidesharts
-watchalongs are the single most lazy form of "content" imaginable
-nerissa is everything i tried to escape from by consuming japanese entertainment instead of western entertainment, and now she's part of that japanese entertainment

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801988
>hot taker0sx

[Anonymous No.]

if you want GFE, you should go outside and get a girlfriend

[Anonymous No.]

>>71804487
Obvious bait. A hobby that appeals to everyone (especially the lowest common denominator) appeals to no one.
Captcha: J00GS

[Anonymous No.]

Isla sex btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>71807114
>especially the lowest common denominator
what do you think anime fans are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71807297
People who realised that the last 10 years of TV shows and movies are dogshit and have moved on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71807795
pleb cope. anime is literally for retarded and autistic people who get scared whenever something isn't cute and comfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796774
I think that Mori two last albums and Overkill it's opening her a new music path to do less rap and better songs

[Anonymous No.]

>>71807114
Appealing to everyone just means there's enough variety for everyone to enjoy. It doesn't mean that everyone enjoys the same thing. Hololive appeals to the lowest common denominator (weebs, waifufags and simps) which is why the entire hobby is in the shitter right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Retarded unicorns and idol culture are the reason vtubers will never be popular or mainstream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71808686
>vtubers will never be popular or mainstream
good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798950
Getting rid of all of those games wouldn’t fix the shit taste of those that play them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801948
Only the mentally disabled(jp) corpos.
The indies are free to do things when they're relevant just like any fleshstreamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801435
that you don’t watch streams, I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798209
>>71798249
>>71798323
Kek not even you believe that shit nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71804461
>most male vtuber fans just want all-boys collabs and don't care for females.
Really? What makes you think that?

[Anonymous No.]

Voluntary donations is the best form of monetising the content for the end user. No one needs to fuss around with piracy or deducing what is the appropriate selling point or regional pricing, you just give what you want when you want, or you don't. Thinking that spending too much is unhealthy is fair, but asserting that no one ever should donate is asinine, after all it is a major reason of why entertainment exists in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71807795
>People who realised that the last 10 years of TV shows and movies are dogshit and have moved on.
To anime? Are you saying as if anime isn't filled with garbage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798939
Kayfabe is a wrestling term. If wrestlers can do it in front of actual people, vtubers can do it through screens and without showing their faces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798939
yeah, tell that to Fuwamoco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71815178
Doesn't apply cause they aren't "playing a character 100% of the time."
They're more like 30% character, 60% themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Unicorns deserve the rope

captcha: DR4MA

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Vtubing will lose its appeal to me once it gets even more popular and chubas are going to cater to the masses. It will lose its soul and become another meaningless grift that doesnt resemble its origin apart from being cute anime. The women behind it will become sluttier and more obnoxious - and the newfags will embrace and love them for it.
I will, at some point, abandon my hobby - this hobby - for something else. Taking with me only sweet memories of Marine, Sora and Miko in their primes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794207

My western whores are magnificent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71804487

My nigga

[Anonymous No.]

I don’t love vtubing, I love Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is the modern version of moe animes like Lucky Star or Asobi Asobase, and is made so great exactly because of this. Everyone loves to see cute girls do cute stuff together with a comedic touch, it's as simple as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798706
I feel you
I also own around $5k worth of hololive merch and I'm a poorfag now but what else was I supposed to do with that money in the first place when nothing had more value than my oshi...

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798939
Literally every Vtuber drops their keyfable self within a fucking month or they literally become said person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
If they are treated like kids, they get angry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801531
Sakana simply doesn't have enough money to churn out talents like Riku. But he has better business sense, he aims for growth rather than pure profit

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795416
I get you where you're coming from anon, but I feel it's fine to spend some money on a hobby that you enjoy and spend time on. Like I get where you're coming from here, but I feel you go to far in the opposite direction.

[Anonymous No.]

While FWMC is the stars of Advent and maybe all HoloEN bar Gura, every new gen should be modeled after Biboo.
>Great interactions with her fanbase
>Great rapport with all the girls in Advent and elsewhere
>Fun, safe personality
>Can do almost everything decently

[Anonymous No.]

>>71810513
I mean it's not as bad as movies rights now because boy o boy those are fucked right now. You can go watch your American Society of Magical Negroes if you want though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71818532
Anon do you know how hard it is to find people that and fine ones that will do like 500 streams a year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71818532
Agreed. Every gen following advent should have streamers that'll actually stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>71818641
>ones that will do like 500 streams a year?
No one does this

[Anonymous No.]

>>71818532
>Bijouslop
*pukes*

[Anonymous No.]

>>71818731
Koyo did 530 streams last year not counting ones not on her channel I believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71818930
Koyori is a numberfaggot, she doesn't count
Bijou actually enjoys playing games

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798950
They play those because they’re popular so they draw in more viewers and because women generally either don’t play vidya or if they do they’re not that invested into the hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795550
>muh loli anime muh cgdct
>he thinks porn addiction isn't just another of the longnose tribe's tricks
>doesn't realize that wasting his prime years on 2d youtube thots is the exact opposite of finding a wife and making a white family
>he literally can't even see the bars of the he he trapped himself in
lmao
m
a
o

[Anonymous No.]

>>71801219
Probably because of the Pippa tranny shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>71819102
You have to somewhat enjoy streaming if you do THAT much

[Anonymous No.]

>>71819346
Yeah, she enjoys streaming (for the money)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
I think Migo is hot and retarded. Next question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71819490
Anon I want you to understand you could do way way fucking less that and make tons of money. There is literally no reason to stream that much unless you like it some.

[Anonymous No.]

The vast majority of vtubers are mid retards, including the ones in big corpos like hololive. Nobody seems to have any artistic vision and is able to pull off creative streams for prolonged periods of time, the only one was early Pomu who did tons of Kino streams and her spirit got killed off by corpo shackles

[Anonymous No.]

>>71819589
I suppose

[Anonymous No.]

People saying being a vtuber means being an idol are retarded. They do not realise that a vtuber is literally that. A virtual 'youtuber', unicorns and holotribals cannot wrap their head around the fact that they're supposed to be entertaining people, not just catering to weird ass rules that they made up in their head.

A gaming vtuber will play games and try to cater to the 'lets player' and 'streamer' meta, an idol vtuber will cater to the superstar (acting and or music) meta, a CGDCT vtuber will cater to being retarded and masking it as unintentional like all other fleshtubers.

Chuubas should be able and allowed to explore different avenues to what they usually do.
People that don't allow their oshis to explore their personalities, to either grow or maybe even regress, have the same personality as people that listen to a certain genre of music and then being upset if their band changes up their sound. You cannot expect people to entertain you if you don't allow them to do stuff that they enjoy to do as well. Doing the same thing over and over again is literal torture for humans. If you want just an "anime girl" come to life, watch anime, read manga, or read a book, transform the characters into anime people, maybe even draw something or commission someone else to do it for you (since youre already losing money), and stop watching internet entertainers if you do not have the mental capacity to understand that.
If you pay chuubas for a certain type of entertainment and they stop doing that specific thing after awhile, too bad, go next; you paid for a service that was provided for free, and youre retarded. If you paid for the entertainer to support them in their endeavors, then you did, congrats for donating to the starving 'artist', allowing them to find new opportunities, maybe you find that that new opportunity is actually something you might enjoy, or something you'd rather avoid. Now you can either stay, or enjoy another chuuba.

This is a hot take because im typing it /here/, enjoy

[Anonymous No.]

If you have a the means to and do not buy a sub/member for someone you call your oshi you are a bad person

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
It's the replacement for old western media for men. Vtubers give guys what media in the west does not. Western media is in a state of collapse for being focused on propaganda and pandering to an audience that is either against young men or simply has different interests than young dudes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP DESIGNING EMOTES IN FULL SCREEN RES WITH LOTS OF FINE DETAILS

It grinds my gears endlessly to see someone, especially a small 2view paying an artist for this, make a post about having new emotes that look fine in the twitter thumbnails but inevitably turn into an unrecognizable mess when actually used in the twitch chat.
People have to remember the most frequent form for emotes is gonna be tiny ass 28x28 pixel formats and design for THAT instead of designing it as a 500px sticker.

My cardinal rules for emotes:
- Use thick lineart OR high contrast colors - thin lineart will be reduced to zero lineart when shrunk. The human eye recognizes shapes better when there's clear borderlines. Consider the differences between hue and value contrast if you want to account for colorblind people.
- Use large broad features for characters - any small details will be absolutely lost in real world use.
- Don't use up more than 1/3 of the surface area for hair and accessories - I swear i've seen emote packs that are 75% bangs and hair that you have to squint to tell the different expressions apart. THE EYES AND MOUTH SHOULD BE THE MOST PROMINENT FEATURES

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
GFE, BFE, yuribait and yaoibait are the most boring and lazy content vtubers can do and create a completely pitiful and unhealthy behavior in the fanbase

There's nothing inherently wrong about being para social. But if you expect your vtuber to behave a certain way because of the image you have of them, you are completely retarded and should take your pills ASAP

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe not a hot take
Male/Female collabs are fine with me UNLESS the chuuba is doing GFE/BFE content. If you're after unicorn cash you can't whore it up.

[Anonymous No.]

The most entertaining thing about vtubers is not the streams but the drama that surrounds them, I would much rather know what is leaked or if someone screwed up than watch a random VOD.

The worst thing about the Hololive fandom is not /VT/ or the people who talk about realities that maybe no one likes, but the shitty people like the ones on reddit who defend everything that Hololive or the talents do, and cannot take even a hint of criticism towards them because otherwise you are an Anti just for giving necessary constructive criticism, or simply for pointing out the truth.

The content of playing a random game for 8+ hours while only saying the minimum or random comments is not entertaining, nor good content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800767
are you saying that phase antis are mostly ESL pakis working for steam gift card handouts via the nijicord?

...It sounds like it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794207
I always thought Envytubing was a fitting term. Not my invention tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>71822702
>The content of playing a random game for 8+ hours while only saying the minimum or random comments is not entertaining, nor good content.
some chubas are good at bantering that whole 8h stretch and I tend to regular myself to their channels bc of that talent specifically. I like to park myself on their streams and let them be bg noise while I work. they tend to get my biggest SC bc they help me work in this way.

I know you didn't mean these types, but thought I'd chime in... for me the "market" for donos sources from gameplay like that - I can't be the only one!

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubing is a precursor to some crazy Neuromancer/Bladerunner/Ready-Player-One type shit where almost everyone does it 24/7. The streaming ecosystem is the real metaverse, not Facebook's crappy tech. Get ready for massive corpos like Google to ruin it the way they did wiht the rest of the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71800767
I'm not even gonna attempt to parse that ESL. Why do ESLs think they have the right to post here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794428
why are you censoring yourself dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.]

(Taking in to account personality, talent, aesthetic, and general vibe)

Myth
Kiara - 5.5
Cali- 7.5
Ame- 6
Ina- 5
Gura- 8

Council
Fauna - 9
Bei- 7
Kronii- 6.5
Mumei- 7.8

Advent
Shiori- 6.5
Biboo - 7
Nerissa- 5
Fuwamoco- 8.5

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793516
Phase is starting to become what I wanted out of NijiEN before NijiEN became NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796384
I don't get how supporting someone that makes your day better is being mentally handicapped though. Truth be told it just sounds like you have a poorfag mentality which is 100% okay but I don't understand the logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798323
>None of the talents knew it was going to go down this way. In other words, nobody knew she was going to be terminated.
HOW? This entire board (myself included) was expecting her termination for weeks before it actually happened. She was being airbrushed out of official artworks and none of the talents even so much as uttered her name. It was the most obvious thing in the world. When the announcement FINALLY came I was like "about time, Jesus Christ." I genuinely think that anyone who wasn't expecting it to go down that way was a retard. As for the smear campaign they posted on Twitter, that was a bit of a surprise (or was it, after the Zaion fiasco) but the overall termination proper was a guaranteed inevitability. THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY IT COULD HAVE ENDED. So stop saying that it was this big unexpected thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Hololive English is boring as fuck and sterilized to hell now. Myth was fun for maybe a year and then everything went to shit. Pretty much every hololive en girl is just coasting

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798773
That's like 2 vtubers total, get over yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Vtubers should be allowed to own their IP completely, even when company jumping. All the "corpo holds it" is retarded and only damages the industry as a whole, making it look retarded to westerners.

>But merchandise and use rights...
Normies have that for actors in a way that worked for 50 years. You are not reinventing the wheel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71826221
>Even Selen/Doki didn't know until the Twitter post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71826221
>>71826598 (me)
>So stop saying that it was this big unexpected thing.
It was unexpected though. Selen/Doki wanted to graduate not get terminated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71826221
I think people were expecting given Selen was the EN branch's most subbed member and from one of the earliest branch members to give her some leeway for something like this. I was personally on a 50-50 split with the situation but it was clear even if they were letting her back in that it would be her last year at the company despite her plans for 2024 before she released the cover.
But I think what everyone was caught off guard by and the most surprising thing was the way that they pulled a Zaion style termination on her. I think everyone expected Nijisanji EN management to have some tact and look at the blowback they gotten with Zaion and to not do it again and to let her graduate like Yugo who has been now up to date the only amicable termination EN ever let go. People theorycrafted about it in a shitposting way but they thought Nijisanji was smart enough and a rational actor while we then saw they ended up taking the worst possible option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
Just because the board can predict outcomes does not mean they can predict the reasons for said outcomes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71826578
If the company is paying for it 100% and covers all the costs, maybe no and I can understand it in that circumstance. But if it is being done like how Nijisanji does it where they make the talent pay for debut costs and etc., the talent deserve equity/partial ownership of the IP. The main thing is that the talent should be able to buy out the IP if he or she is leaving, and for VODs and membership streams to be public and to be given somewhere on a neutral website so while neither party can make money anymore off the videos, it is stored somewhere for internet history sake.
The only positive thing about Selen's termination for the wider industry is the fact that talking about someone's career in Vtubing is no longer taboo as long as it is brought up for positive reasons or if the talent themselves brings it up. The whole secrecy thing about not being able to say what someone had previously done in Vtubing before is ridiculous, what actor or actress or any performing artists for that matter can one not acknowledge past jobs inside one's career? Granted, I think you need enough time and distance to actually talk about specific bits in it but just acknowledging someone's achievements in the field even if across different companies should not be taboo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
>>71794428
Nah, lore is fine. Guess this is gonna be my "hot take" but it's really just a take it or leave aspect of the vtuber
Sometimes it's used for alternate mediums like voice packs with scenarios fitting them like Holo's recent "End of the World" one (or whatver it was) or just serves as justification for the design. Sometimes the vtubers play off of it in a more light-hearted sense like Korone or Okayu making dog/cat noises, or can serve as insepration of design aspects of other outfits or be used as insperation for songs or other projects
Sometimes it helps frame their interactions too. Again with OkaKoro, them being cat and dog but being so close friends at least makes "aesthetic" of their relationship being so sweet or HoloX either doing fun things in collabs (like MC) or pranking others can feel more fun with the Team Rocket-esque "underground villain organization" schtick
There's also bigger projects with series comprised of lore like with how Vshojo does. I guess for anyone who wants to stay true to themselves to a healthy degree they can also tell their "actual" backstory wrapped lore inspired by their actual lives
Even though it's technically not necessary, there's a whole spectrum of things lore can be used for whether it's very light-hearted or is deeper and more personal. If it's not something one cares about then they don't really gain anything by it being gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>71796915
you're ok, anon. ty for vocalizing. There's nothing you've said which I'd try to adjust. you're right - I've also been watching the signs, noticing what's happening, the discussions, various forces doing what they will as this industry continues to blossom. and I believe it too - I see it with my own eyes daily. People ask sometimes why Japan is so idolized in the west... this is why - they're a presently standing example of a people that have kept their shield raised, and the good it has done for them. The west realizes how they've been played, and what they're in the process of losing. Vtubing is a way for us to hang on; it is not yet infiltrated. Good on you for not listening to the whatabout faggots criticising every last thing to plant seeds of doubt in true frankfurtian leninist crit theory style, hoping to topple the walls and open the floodgates to infinity Trojan horses. We know what vtubing means, and its true value to us. While everything under the sun has by now been subverted and thoroughly booby trapped with luciferian agenda, vtubing is currently one of the last bastions of "by the people, of the people, for the people".

[Anonymous No.]

>>71826468
It's only two people if you are inside the Holobox and don't count people who already stream in that timezone anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
nig

[Anonymous No.]

ger

[Anonymous No.]

und

[Anonymous No.]

ayo

[Anonymous No.]

>>71821323
Asinine take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71793266
It's a short term phase that'll die when the current generation of parasocial losers gets over it.