/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>holoEN is too slow
>nijiEN is too fast
what is the right amount of time between debuts, then?

[Anonymous No.]

Phase Connect is even slower LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

holo en slime triplets incoming

[Anonymous No.]

One generation of 3 - 4 Vtubers every 18 months.

[Anonymous No.]

1 year

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
>HoloEN is too slow
nah

[Anonymous No.]

If Hololive keeps spawning them faster, it will become overpopulated. There will be far too much anime girls... Oh wait, there is no such thing as too much anime girls...

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe Cover should make the HoloEU branch real and debut 1/4th of the overall population of the continent at once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767420
Shut up Phasenigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
If you debut in batches of 5, every 10 months for the first four batches, then either maintain that frequency or slow/speed up according to viewership data and growth trends.

[Anonymous No.]

I like Hololive's pace. Since most of HoloID also primarily streams in English, I'll just count them es honorary ENs. If you don't find a VTuber among the ~20 Holos regularly streaming in English, the problem is not the amount of VTubers but something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767454
>as if I’d ever watch that shithole

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
holoEN is not too slow, Advent is a solid gen overall because they didn't rushed it

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767890
2 years inbetween gens is a long time, especially with EN and ID where they have a lot more dead hours than live hours

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>>71767177
You need to know what your max capacity is going to be before worrying about the frequency..

OP what is the correct amount of vtubers none corpo branch should have until they 'lock' the branch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
1 group per year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
1 gen a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
There is no magical amount of time. If you know what your gen is lacking talent wise, then you can debut the next day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
There's no "right amount". Depends on the company resources and how much you want to dedicate to each talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71768151
12-15 months is the ideal gap, more or less than that is retarded.

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>>71767420
Ina, Fauna and Kaela often got my back when it comes to that, so I'm honestly not too unhappy with our situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767890
holoEN was way too slow because of the Omega fuckup. two gen EN + ENstars was a dark time
i wouldn't mind a new gen now but Advent is solid enough that they don't need to debut slop now just to get something out.

[Anonymous No.]

It depends where the corpo is in their life cycle and how big their roster is.
Small startup? 2x3 talent debuts in a year 1. You need to build a roster up, but you need to be able to give everyone a to establish themselves 9 months in between gen 1-2 should be fine. Once you have 10-12 talents you probably should slow down. You have enough people to do varied collabs and you need to form an identity of what kind of content to expect from each talent.
If you're a big corpo of 50+ talents one gen every 12-18months. I think it's better to have bigger gens of 5-6 talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
I know this is a shitpost, but the answer is easy: when those who you debuted are fully settled or retired.
In my opinion HoloEN is slow, but not too slow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
When the wave before it is settled in nicely and you can be sure you have enough resources to support the next one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
>holoEN is too slow
Nobody but ADHD children and numberfags think this is true.

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>>71767890
It was too slow, mostly because they had the brilliant idea "Debuting a Holostars gen is just as good right?" and thought everybody would treat them as EN3. Then when it turned out nobody bought into that they were caught with their pants down and scrambled find 5 killers for the actual EN3.

[Anonymous No.]

11 months. Debut hype will carry into previous gen hype.

[Anonymous No.]

Idk, if holoEN carries on debuting around july-sept each year, that a good speed to do it at. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they're training EN4 right now.

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>>71767177
HoloEN would be fine if the girls actually streamed. If you have a life it's not like there's enough time to keep up with more than a couple girls anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>71770738
This.
Hololive has been doing it this way since JP Gen 3 (incidentally the first non-Gamers Hololive gen with an official name, Hololive Fantasy), which debuted several months after JP Gen 2 (the first Hololive gen to debut more-or-less all at once, instead of spread out like 0 and 1 were)

[Anonymous No.]

>>71768151
We had Stars in the middle tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>71770801
Not even remotely true. They took so long because Council/Promise was garbage, worst gen in Holo history, so they made DAMN sure they got it right for 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71772733
Council is great fuck off. Every single member of promise I watch more than most of myth or advent except Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
holoEN's debut pace would be fine if they didn't skip 2022 and, more importantly, had some more variety in their schedules. They've gone so long without any watchable content for 1/3 of the world that they'll have a hard time recapturing peoples attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
The early gens does need ACCELERATE. And then it's supposed to slow down. A lot. There is no one-size-fits-all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
Hololive IP is spreading well overseas.
Once Cover USA is built, expect IP acceleration here too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71774702
I hope not

[Anonymous No.]

>>71774750
Mr. Worldwide's plan.

[Anonymous No.]

Unironically (Yes, unironically) EN4, ID4 and STARSEN4 can be announced and dropped literally right now while EN3 hype is still strong, the first branches are already burned down. Nijisanji is unfixable and Hololive/pro has all eyes on them, while antis and sisters aren't sleeping out of mere despair.

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>>71772988
Sounds like sunk cost fallacy to me.
They've done nothing of note, barely stream and so far, the only EN gen with a graduated member.
How bad they are is even more evident with how amazing Advent turned out to be. Christ even ID3 is better than Council, that's what an utter embarrasment they are.

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>>71775193
You can feel that way if you want, but as long as people watch them and they get donations, it's hard to call them failing at anything.

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>>71767420
The EU market sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
There will be no right answer because no matter what you do, someone somewhere will complain about it.

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>>71774987
What other markets are there besides EU and maybe ES? Africa and the Middle East don't watch chuuba, India does not either, and then China is forbidden.
I can see a 3 member gen for EU and ES but the market it's not that big. Maybe Korea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775754
HoloBR? HoloRU?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
1 gen of 5 a year until you reach about 25 - 30 in your branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776040
why so much people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775754
They will learn from Cover USA; how to fully expand.
But not saying it prevents releasing talent branches before then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767454
Do Amerimutts really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775988
Yep, those two are asking for vtubers.
Just because Niji failed India, means nothing really. Large enough population to make it worhtwhile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71774987
Let's be honest /here/ only the NA, CH, and JP markets matter. Maybe the SA market could work as a side project. Other than that, the other markets just don't contribute enough through donations or memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776233
So people can stagger their trips to the 3d studio and there still be talents making content, to not burn out your current talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775754
Can tap the CH market through TW. They've invested a lot there already.

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>>71775193
4/5 advent members filter me but I like all of promise. you just have shit taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776401
i believe it's a catch-22. if you want to expand the culture to less relevant markets you could create smaller satellite branches with less members there similar to first gen ID.
you can test the waters with these and get talents for local events

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776248
but that doesn't necesssrily mean they are releasing new gens, but probably that they will be advertising more and fscilitating merch to enter more countries.
Like when they said they were studying the Hispanic market but had no intentions of making a ES branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776661
So you think they will redo CN through ROC chuuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776798
ID was a great success as well, if they just cut and ran like Niji when their first gens weren't profitable they'd have never gotten Kobo. And the good thing about those experimental branches is they're usually cheaper and can survive with lower profits in low cost of living areas. And hololive specifically is well-placed to do it because all the branches are so integrated, if it turns out theres not much market for EU or ES or KR chuubas they can just speak English and EN fans will watch them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
VShojo. 1 new person every 3 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776880
HoloTW would be such a massive, massive flex. Re-hire yogiri and spade echo for maximum kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776815
Yagoo said the biggest hurdle is getting the support for the talents. Cover USA will also be part of the support for ES. They will hire for all Americas there (and SEA).

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777042
Red Towa cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777043
So 1 gen of 5 every 15 months...?

[Anonymous No.]

>another CN begging thread
Guys stop it, its sad. First you attack hololive then you become fans of nijiEN, now you want hololive back. It's over. Let it go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777090
This is what a responsible growth strategy looks like, actually making sure they can get proper management in place unlike a certain black company that just got a bunch of indian talents to be their overseas managers instead of hiring proper staff

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777214
Taiwan is not China, and it never will be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777042
Just to be clear, if you want to ever tap again into the Chinese market again you must not make it explicitly HoloTW.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777270
Oh I'm well aware, but people are now begging for CN back in the thread, even tho Taiwan is not China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777270
Speaking Mandarin will transcend borders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777384
Ah, those anons are dumb, then. If they ever touch china again they're getting completely scammed for their earlier "betrayals."

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777270
Taiwan is the Republic of China, retard-kun...

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>>71775754
I think it shows a fundemental misunderstanding of the market that people (including Cover) think what they need is an EU-specific branch speaking European languages (e.g. French, German).
Most people who watch streams in Europe watch them in English. 8PM CET is the most popular time of day for English-language streams on Twitch. All they ever needed was EN members who stream 4 hours before Ina.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777452
But the post that initiated this whole exchange was saying they would tap the CN market again through a Taiwan based branch...

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
Once a year.
The wait between ID3-ID4 and Council-Advent was ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777540
Ok, so a branch which debuts with 2 or so central European chuuba then. You have three with Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777214
>>71777460
>least obvious CCPcucks
GOD I wish Chiang Kai-Shek won.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777675
Europeans don't show any monetary incentive to invest in Europe, and each individual country and language would want to be pandered to, it's a bad market

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777675
They don’t need a new branch, they just need holoEN members who stream earlier. EN is so heavily concentrated on NA evenings that often multiple JP morning streams from the next day have started before a single EN goes live, that’s ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767420
Europeans dont have that same consumer spirit the US and nippon have. I dont think the culture and the market allows for it. But maybe thats just my bias as a German.
Although i dont really see the French, Italians or the Dutch being your typical consumers either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777762
Little would change in the grand scheme of things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777198
Gens are for losers. 1 person every 3 months. An IRyS every season.

[Anonymous No.]

Advent could've used some more time in the oven. They're still really awkward together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777868
Europe has spent more on manga and anime than NA for 40 years. It’s pointless to look at spending on vtubers because none of the big ones ever made an effort to appeal to the market. They also tend to lean towards merch rather than donations, which matches a trend in Cover’s earnings (every year they earn less from streams and more from merch and event tickets).

[Anonymous No.]

>>71770801
Oh look... more fanfiction... you should try to become a writer sir.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778161
Wouldn't language barrier be an issue for just a "europe" branch? there's like a billion different languages to cater to and split your energy with, unless they're still just in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777762
The KMT position has always been that Taiwan is part of China...

[Anonymous No.]

How would (You) appeal to the EU market?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778007
According to Cover's own research the UK isn't far off Japan in terms of content consumption, and the UK, Germany, and France together eclipses both Japan and the US.
Having said that I don't mind too much about the streaming hours issue as my work rota changes every fortnight so I'm usually able to watch at least a few streams a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778404
I wouldn't, I would just have EN streamers stream during EU timezones

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778281
NTA but that's what happened? everybody was waiting for en3 and then stars got pushed instead and it was pretty clear most people didn't want to see the forced collabs, hence omega and two stars got fired

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778297
Like I said, most people watch streams in English. Twitch makes their viewer data public and it’s broken down by stream language, so you can literally see the daily peak viewership for English streams is euro prime time (exactly in the middle of hololive’s dead hours).

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778488
Omega got fired, the two homes abandoned the branch because they got scared of doing actual hololive productions things

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778447
>per capita

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778797
Once you actually apply that to the population you’ll find just those three euro countries already add up to more money than Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778961
But these European time chuuba don't compete against JP chuuba for spots, they compete against US and Canadian chuuba for these spots, and since the US not only consumes much more per capita but also has a larger population it still makes more sense to stream in those times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71779467
I guess they should just shut down the JP branch then since it’s not the one region with the most spending
Or, you know, they could expand globally like they explicitly stated their goal is

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767214
Phase Connect should be slow. They're risking a lot more by potentially eating their own audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71779467
NTA but this your first point is actually a point in EU timeslots favor. We have like 4 holos competing for any one time slot during all 3 American Primetimes, which isn't actually as bad as you think it is (giving fans options is good for the holo brand overall) but they're still cannibalizing each others numbers. At a certain point Holo is going to reach a saturation point where they just can't get anymore people from that market.

Everything else you said is just actually stupid. Europe has a greater population than the US, and while they don't give as many super chats according to covers own numbers they spend MORE on merch than the American market does. Its also worth noting that according to Twitch's numbers the highest viewer hours are actually at 3PM EST, which is UK Primetime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71780663
Can you prove that they spend more o merch please, just to make sure you aren't speaking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71781075
to be fair, it makes sense either way to spread out the talents across time zones so they don't cannibalize each other, but the problem if you're going money only is that different time zones spend different amounts of money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71781171
Oh so you're making shit up, ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
Once a year. Not once every two years. Not 3 debuts in a year. Once a year. What's so difficult?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71781291
I'm not the anon you were talking with. I just popped in to throw my two cents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71770801
The homobeggar staff who shoehorned the number 3 and 4 into the tempiss logos probably shat their pants when the crowd started chanting EN3 at the end of Connect the World, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>71781560
wait, i missed the number 4? Where was it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767214
How the fuck are you this bad at math?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767214
Nah, invaders and jp was a mistake that shouldn't have been a thing.
Invaders as a concept is fine if they actually brought on anyone that mattered statistically(whether or not you actually like the talents) and then japan was a flop. From the guy who admitted on stream to not understand the japanese market, I have no idea why he decided to do a whole branch.
He's risking bloating his company with talents and losing talents or audience if management starts to be spread thin.

[Anonymous No.]

Once a year would be fine if any of them actually retired. I don't think having 10-15 new vtubers every year (1 gen per branch) with none of them ever actually quitting would be good for hololive.
I think they have a good number of people now. They don't need to "grow" like Nijisanji and end up with a bunch of cunts nobody gives a fuck about because there's already too many of them.
HoloEN is a little different because a lot of them just take long breaks or indefinite hiatuses, so I could see an argument for introducing another EN gen to satisfy EOPs who care about active streamers but they really already have a good number of talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
About the speed that Yagoo was pushing out Stars gens. I still don't understand why EN3 took so long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71784840
Good take, if the retention is high, then ACCELERATE is a terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
8 month intervals
3 gens in 2 years sounds good

[Anonymous No.]

>>71778447
>garmany
Regardless, it shows that my bias seems to be correct. Burgers and nips have a more consumerist attitude. I feel like its tied into their culture.
I dont mind the streaming hours because i dont have to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71772733
>>71775193
yeah council didn't do well as expected. what a dogshit gen, they had it all set up for them and they still managed to fuck it up by hiring a bunch of lazy (except for the rat), unmotivated no names. what's even funnier is that the homo collaber is the only one who's been fulfilling the idol journey while the rest are coasting by. one was even skinwalked for her fes "performance".

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
Literally doesn't matter.
They are fucking live streamers, not new soda flavors. Shit like this is why companies like anikara and wactor exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775754
yeah I think more side branches ID style would be a nice experiment to try, as long as they can speak some level of english, even if it's engrish, so they can have worldwide appeal at the same time that they appeal to their own countries
>>71775988
>HoloBR
is that a profitable market? what is it, like, 2 countries that speak portuguese? I don't even know if there is a difference between how those countries speak
>>71776880
>>71777042
as long as the talents are taiwanese, that way you can be somewhat assured they are not loyal to the CCP, and if at any moment there is some kind of political problem in the country you fly them out of there to anywhere, USA, Canada, Europe, damn even Japan, just make sure they are safe
but I would have them heavily moderated

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
>>71767890
HoloEN's lethargy is pretty much killing their branch. More than a few of the talents are on life support and are only symbolic pedestals right now. Think Gura, Ame, Kronii, Bae, etc etc. And their numbers stagnated much more than JP's ever did, slowly losing audience to a more diverse market.

There's a reason, a good reason IMHO, that they are treated like a side branch.

[Anonymous No.]

I always find it funny how people say that Europe does not bring in money yet forgot that homostars and ID exist. To me I does not matter if they stream from Mars as long it's Europe timezone, they speak english AND I actually like them

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
When you find the right talent. Debuting for its own sake damages the brand

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
>>holoEN is too slow
nah holo timing is on point,1 year is perfect for building loyal fanbase that fully know and understand the vtuber,the fanbase and hows the vibes,when you finally invested in 1 oshi,you will realise its been a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71789659
>More than a few of the talents are on life support and are only symbolic pedestals right now
this is what retarded no life like you wont be able to understand
-what "on life support" of talent that go to maldives when she want to?
-a talent that can take a break here and there because corpo vtube work not just stream,theres behind the scene and off stream recording,so they can relax instead of quit because they work like slave?
-the purpose of vtuber is having internet persona job and having real life SEPARATED and can do and enjoy both,this is the "LUXURY" of hololive.
i get it you have no life or too parasocial for vtuber "on break" but they have life too,sorry for telling you the harsh truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794977
please understand, vtuber must stream 8 hours a day 7 days a week or else they're grifting male collabing whores who hate their fans and only want an easy paycheck

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794327
This
It can take forever or be next day, As soon as you find what you're looking for there is no reason to wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794662
>>71767890
are you fucking kidding me? shit was so bad i wished i could personally strangle the fuckers spamming
>when next EN gen????
threads and posts. they 100% took to long to get the next gens out

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775754
>Latin America/Spain (ES)
>RUssia sounds like a meme and was plausible before the Ukraine happening, right now not likely.
>India never
>Canada not needed because EN covers (kek) that and the anglosphere
>Portuguese?, nah, unless they try to grab that small audience too by having an ESpanish chuuba who also speaks Portuguese
>Africa never
>HoloFrance IDK, sounds like a good idea on paper but could tremendously backfire because it would definitely depend on a single country's audience and France has fame of not beinge exactly peaceful these days save for the countryside, not to mention every single other non-native FR speaker is either in Africa or Dominican Republic/Haiti and bits and pieces of Africa.
>HoloBrits never ever because it would just be Nerfed Not EN sequel
>HoloChina never until WW3 ends (don't know if it has already started) with the expected Murican win somehow (You get used to their bullcrap).
>HoloTaiwan... I would like it but, they also risk accidentally making a massive international fuss if it comes out in a bad moment, not to mention, if shit goes down because geopolitics, unless the girls die or escape, they could be used as propaganda outlets against their will, models included because CH military knows how 2 exploit stuff.
>HoloArtic yeah haha, too soon.
>HoloUSA, hm... They could pull a NIJISANJI if not supervised constantly, and EN is practically HoloUSA and HoloGlobal. I guess they could try but I don't feel very confident about such a bet.
>HoloSEA probably never and for good reason, HoloID is enough.
>Holo Middle East sounds like a bizarro /vt/ shitpost
Any other bright ideas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795828
>they 100% took to long to get the next gens out
well you can enjoy your niji "too many" talent to the point that all you do is bitching on twitter instead of actually watch them because you cant do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>71795925
Cont.
Forgot to mention that HoloES could severely go wrong. Like China levels of wrong minus the wave of spam and bots.
Almost every single ES agency has gone tits up for every single reason imaginable, even the last big one, OWOZU, imploded less than a month ago because of an egomaniac tax evading and r*pist CEO and girls being forced to compete, undermine and fight with each othr for drama views and clout. They all got tired and quit alltogether. And a fucking storm of dirt and baggage was dug up.
WACTOR being Japanese didn't fare much better albeit WACTOR is darker than black compared to KUROSANJI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767890
>holoEN is not too slow
Only homobeggars say that, because they believe homos are holoen gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>71794041
You’re not supposed to point this out

[Anonymous No.]

>>71775754
I'd say Spanish would be best. The EU market is too diverse and split because of all the languages. The problem with Spanish is that most of the countries that it encompasses are poor, but it's almost the entirety of South America and everywhere South of the US in North America. Everyone has seen how fanatic they can get over things they like. Think things like football (soccer) and Dragon Ball. If cover could tap even a fraction of that energy, it could be a success.

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>>71797015
I'm still baffled not even a single indie has become a football narrator chuuba or even flat out be a football player chuuba in any of those territories. Like, it's the easiest bet alongside a soap drama villain chuuba and maybe a drug lord chuuba who is just a poser for legal reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71797015
language is not the problem, never has been. Target demographic understands english just fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>71776375
Nijisanji failed in winnable markets. They just stopped investing their time and effort into overseas branches except for China. Hololive succeeded in Indonesia where niji failed. If hololive was to expand to Korea I'd think that they would succeed as long as the chaebols don't interfere by making their own naver vtubing group as the only group allowed in the country without insane taxes. I do not know if the fees applied to twitch got applied to YouTube as well, but if it did that might be an issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777460
Last I checked trying to keep on threatening to retake it. That means they don't have it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71785050
>About the speed that Yagoo was pushing out Stars gens.
I presume they just want to get StarsEN out to a decent number of members(4 members is too little, 8 is good but lacking for events, 12 is good for events) then let them cook on their own.
Its a similar case to StarsJP, they pushed out to 9 members then pretty much let them cook for a couple of years before Uproar came in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767890
You are right. Securing top-tier talent requires time.

Given their current growth, they should hold off on introducing a new generation for at least two years. The focus should be on expanding the audience and honing the skills of the existing talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71797546
That doesn’t really explain why they didn’t do that for holoEN, who were always short on members relative to their popularity (and still are if you’re anywhere but NA).

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767890
i agree.
to paraphrase Miyamoto: a slow gen is eventually good, a rushed gen is a shitty gen forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798234
I would offer the counterpoint that for Europe they were so slow that most people simply gave up and stopped waiting, so when they do eventually try to make it work in “2025 and later” literally nobody will care. You saw EN’s numbers start to fall off in 2022 when they were short on streams for 6 months, now imagine that drought lasted 5 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798234
>to paraphrase Miyamoto: a slow gen is eventually good, a rushed gen is a shitty gen forever
Anon.....That apples to things, not that doesnt apply to humans. Human can improve or get shittier over time

[Anonymous No.]

>>71798387
yes, it was a dark time, but imagine if EN3 was a dud - it could have killed HoloEN (especially since barely anyone in EN was streaming consistently at the time).
it's still better to be a little late and deliver than be early and underdeliver IMO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71780400
True. Unfortunately small corpos can't really grow without the industry itself growing. It's Hololive & Vshojo setting the pace of growth for everyone else EN-side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71777042
Rough memory, we only got her 3D for one stream.
And she was adorable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71785432
who tf was skinwalked? qrd??

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767177
holoEN is a good pace debut speed

[Anonymous No.]

>>71767420
In which country? Under what labor laws? Enjoying which tax breaks?
If your yuro, can you point me to an EU country that labor laws that the company can fight easily, while appearing pro worker's rights. That also gives generous tax breaks as a boon for operating in their country. That also is known widely for consuming anime and japanese-oriented media and culture, that also has a strong multi lingual population that knows Japanese
You give me those answers, I'll grudgepost it everyday until it happens.

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>>71798859
Nobody, you are replying to a schizo

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>>71798889
I don’t see why any of this is relevant since it’s not true of any of the countries EN members come from today and it’s never been a problem

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>>71767177
Honestly think Hololive has a good speed.
Bring out too many at once, they get stale and never come in to their own form.

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>>71799190
>they get stale and never come in to their own form
thats not a time thing

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>>71798518
>not that doesnt
that does not apply
Im too esl for this

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>>71767177
You don't want too many people, it dilutes the roster to not have quality control. Hololive is smart for this.

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>>71798999
Safety nets. If the branch fails at the start, the least they could do is be a foundation for cover to learn lessons and NOT do this shit again. And unlike Niji, they have not shown to take closing a branch as a decision they take lightly
I have no faith in HoloEU.

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>>71798889
>america, strong multi lingual population that knows Japanese
Stop making shit up

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>>71799304
But it is, if you keep bringing in more acts on the stage. It turns from talents you are developing, into a variety show, where whoever can shout the loudest on the current fad gains the views. For something volatile like streaming, you want a base built around the streamers, and spreading our their introductions help them form. That is how you get better merch sales and longtime members.

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>>71799539
>America
>Multi lingual population
>Including Japanese
Unless you think Spanish speaking Floridians don't exist, or German speaking Midwesterners don't exist. Or fucking new York does not exist.

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>>71798889
>strong multi lingual population
average amount of languages known by Americans is 0.8

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>>71777363
Right, that would be like picking a fight with China intentionally, instead make another branch ala Regloss that just so happens to be filled with Taiwanese talents.

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One holy grail war every 60 years

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>>71799470
As was already said many times, people don’t want a “holoEU”. They want EN members who stream earlier. Their “safety net” would be being in a branch that already exists. The majority of euro prime time online stream viewership is in English.

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>>71799470
Nta but still not relevant. Where the talents live has nothing to do how well branch will do or have you forgot that half of HoloEn does not even live in america? All of the HoloEU talents could live / move to Japan as long they keep EU timeslots

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>>71767177
HoloEN was slow. Advent resets it. If they don't debut a new gen by the end of the year then the complaint stands

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>>71799630
Less than 20% of Americans speak a second language anon. Thats not exactly the definition of ''strong multilingual population.''
For comparison, over 65% of Europeans speak more than one language. If we exclude Russians then that number rises to 85%.
Africans actually are the most bilingual, where almost 90% speak at least two languages.

So no, America in no way can be described as having a ''strong multi lingual population.''
Id argue that most Americans cant even speak English that well.
>could of / should of
>there their theyre
>could care less
>ofcourse
>wouldnt have
And thats not even going into the ebonics of
>i seen
>we was
>it do be like that

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>>71799630
Here in Europe quite literally everyone under the age of 50 is at the very least bilingual anon.
How many Americans can seriously speak multiple languages? Can (You) speak multiple languages?
Hell, quite a lot of the Americans I see online can barely even speak English.

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why do you need new gens all the time? you can't even watch them all.

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>>71802730
The people who ask the most frequently can't watch any of them because they all stream at 4AM.
They're in an awkward place though, the NA audience of DDs is clearly tapped out (if 3-4 people stream at once they drop thousands of viewers) but they've ignored the rest of the world for so long that nobody cares any more.

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>>71767177
The second that members of the last two recent gens complain about possible burnout or wonder about an extended break is when management should review the applications.

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>>71802730
>why do you need new gens all the time?
AGREED
>you can't even watch them all.
but not for that reason.

Sometimes you just need a solo-debut, VSPO just debut ONE GIRL, just one. Not 5 not 4 or 3 or 2, fucking one. Sticking to group only debuts are a mistake.

More often than not the stronger talents come from solo debuts.

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>>71796143
If the only hurdle with the ES market is horrible management then Cover could make it work, and there's a few recently(ish) graduated talents out there that could make for a neat little 4-5 girl band.

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>>71776401
>Let's be honest /here/ only the NA, CH, and JP markets matter
Did you not look at covers profit per region breakdown?

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>>71778297
Just get the largest language groups (german, french and MAYBE turkish or russian or something) and have them stream in their native language half the time while having them stream in english the other half.

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>>71798889
>can you point me to an EU country that labor laws that the company can fight easily, while appearing pro worker's rights
Why? Donyou want them to do illegal shit? BTW since there's canadian talents: Canada has similarly strict labor laws as most of eu.

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>>71800931
Nah "people don’t want a “holoEU”" is just a talking point made up by Americans just as the "no tipping" and "nobody is watching" memes.
Just because there are some EU watchers that are satisfied with filling just the time slot there's an additional amount who wants a chuba that gets EU culture

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>>71806381
*chuuba

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>>71806381
You could put European streamers in holoEN anon, the point is having them stream in English would be both much easier to do and significantly more popular than trying to somehow make a branch streaming in half a dozen different languages work.

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>>71767177
Think Hololive does it just right, you want to keep talents and then grow them.
If you rush putting new talents out, they get lost in the many options, hence why during prime hours for JP, you can see who made themselves a big audience, and who did not.

The people doing bad can then pull better numbers outside prime time, but that is not ideal.

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>>71806568
Nobody suggested streaming in non-English.

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>>71806614
If they're streaming in English you'd just put them in EN, it makes no sense to split up branches along arbitrary lines when the content is the same. We've already seen with regloss that having weird arbitrary distinctions just hurts their growth.

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>>71767177
I think the reason Holo is so slow woth debuts these days is because they jave such a low turn over rate. A consistent and regular debut schedule would probably be faster than any graduation rates and eventually overcrowd the company. They arguably have too many vtubers as it is.

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>>71804739
the seethe at a german-turkish holo would be of unknown proportions
>hated by conservative turks for chuubing
>anti'd by the kurdish
>hated by germans for being turkish
>get honorkilled by your family because your model doesn't wear a hijab

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>>71767420
The only way i can see a HoloEU vtuber gain some audience if they are focused on football contents, especially if they are a Manchester United fans. Football is pretty much the only things that has a continent-wide popularity in Europe.

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>>71806781
You failed to read whole post of that anon.
>there's an additional amount who wants a chuba that gets EU culture
When EN chuuba starts talking about garbage that only happens in US, she might as well be speaking arabic - and they do it all the time. Having a couple of EU chuubas would be very valuable.

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>>71806568
Yes. By HoloEU I dont necessarily mean a full gen. Just at least one or two new EU holos in general

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>>71806846
>Only football is continent-wide
Don't tell this man about certain video-game genres

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>>71806846
Manchester U sucks.

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>>71782449
Clara was a good pickup even if she's an honorary EN at this point. The one big loss for her is that I think she cares more about idolshit than streaming and Phase isn't balanced like that. Fishman could still throw her a 3Dlive if she earns it.

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>>71806863
That's what I was saying originally, they don't need an EU branch, they just need members streaming at that time in EN. Unfortunately it seems like Cover plans to just leave it dead until "2025 and later" then try making a fully localised separate branch, judging by their investor documents.

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>>71767177
Hololive EN is proven to be the gold standard of how you should debut your talents.

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>>71789121
>Is that a profitable market?
There's ~215 million people in Brazil and there's a rise in Brazilian vtubers lately (Channels with 600k, 150k subs), but personally, I don't think it would be profitable in current hololive. (It could be if they sold merch and plan for events locally, but otherwise, people here wouldn't buy them). They should go with spanish first imo.
>I don't even know if there is a difference between how those countries speak
It's "similar" to British and American english.

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>>71767177
why do you care about debuts so much?
do you not have an oshi? or if you do, are you not satisfied (which defeats the purpose of having an oshi, if you don't like them enough to recommend them so much to other people then they're not your oshi)

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>>71767177
Maybe 1.5 years. Give the previous gen some time to grow in popularity and have a stable fan base. When a new wave comes along at least they wouldn't have to worry much about their viewers getting snatched by the new gen. Even if they lose some, their fans have already invested time and money to a certain talent and they'd hesitate to go all in to some new meat they barely know about. Of course, there will be people who will watch and support multiple talents but they're probably not as common because not everyone has that kind of free time.

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>>71809581
>It's "similar" to British and American english.
An actual trogdolyte or burger typed this

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>>71809790
I'm not. I just don't care about the difference between neither british/american english or pt-PT/pt-BR and wanted to give an answer since if it's incorrect people will point it out.

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>>71774702
>Once Cover USA is built, expect IP acceleration here too.
This, no Japanese company spends money to open a subsidiary unless they have plans to expand in that market. Hololive was releasing a new gen every year until they had over 30 talents in the JP branch. They will debut EN4 in 2024 and EN5 in 2025.

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>>71809947
"British English" is a misnomer, it's just English and it's what essentially everywhere outside of the US uses. American English is distinct because it derives from one guy who thought English spelling was too complicated and wrote a dictionary that purposefully spelled dozens of words incorrectly.

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>>71798234
ironically, Advent is actually a rushed gen because the fans are demanding for EN3 right away after they botched it hard by debuting two homo gens in quick succession instead.

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>>71777042
Chowa deserves to be back. The only CH girl I want back, even if she doesn't care anymore.

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>>71767177
>too slow
>too fast
How about producing properly advertised quality product.

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>>71810260
>spelled

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>>71810648
NAH anon, believe in the 'magical time'.to debut a gen.

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>>71796143
Those agencies exploded due to management being atrocious, not really the talents' fault.

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>>71767177
I think Holo en is just right actually

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>>71767177
>holoEN is too slow
nope

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>holo
From my 4 year experience with them, it's like the fuckers are intentionally trying to edge me. They can produce good shit, but in very small amounts and at a snail's pace.

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>>71811738
They need (more) members who stream outside of NA primetime. EN has the narrowest schedule (first to last stream of the day) of any branch, including regloss despite that having literally 1/3 the number of people in it.

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There's no universal rate of debuts, it's about content saturation. You need to debut new talents to keep some target goal of content per week as existing talents either burn out or otherwise stop producing content. What that target is and what the rate of debuts need to be per group depends solely on the existing talents, management within that group and target audience.

Pre-advent hololive was an utter failure at this at the time because cover assumed people who liked hololive would watch holostars. A failure of all three points.

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>>71767177
I actually like Hololive's pace. Gives you time to familiarize yourself with the new girls.