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71383408 No.71383408 [Reply] [Original]

No claus in the contract that X talent needs stream X amount of hours a month. Doesn't even offer incentives for more streaming hours and milestones. Is he really a business genius?

>> No.71383484

yes

>> No.71383739

>>71383408
>Aras poor Gura. I knew her well

>> No.71383765

>>71383484
As an investor I think he can do better

>> No.71383842

>>71383408
By the looks of Anycolor stock price, yes he is

>> No.71383861

Pretty sure it's three a week for the first year, but hours no.

>> No.71384013

>>71383408
>No claus
What did Santa do to him?

>> No.71384111

right place at the right time, and smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity

>> No.71384128

>>71383408
Gura's earnings per hour of streaming must be one hell of a statistic.

>> No.71384241
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>>71383408

>> No.71384337

>>71383408
Animals like you really think the only thing that matters is bigger number

>> No.71384343

>>71383408
Would you guy even consider it scummy if they did have like a mandated 2 hrs a week to earn your salary and no punishment for missing it other than the money?

Would the girls have a right to complain or would we see it as entitlement?

I get that they still make Cover money by using their persona in marketing and other activities but I don't know, it just makes sense that if you get a job you're expected to work. And going MIA for several months in a row seems scummier to me.

>> No.71384408

Marathon not a sprint, if you force someone whos burning out to stream more then they want to slowly but surely they will burn out and thats not good long term.

>> No.71384525

>>71384241
you?

>> No.71384716

>>71384343
it shouldn't be a rat race kinda thing, but having a set amount hours and incentives can motivate them to provide more and better content. asking for 20 hours week isn't a tall order

>> No.71384787

>>71383408
Yes.
Hololive is profitable and revenue is increasing. Sure you can try sharpening incentives and and aim for higher growth sure but just being able to build and continue to grow a company the size of Cover warrants the founder being called a business genius.

>> No.71384923

>>71383861
We know about 3x in a week from the application form, so i think it's safe to assume new talents are motivated that way to keep it going. I think that most of them still have the bare minimum in the contracts later and just the biggest ones are able to negotiate individual deals. It will change tho because of Gura situation and everybody in the future will have that requirement - it's a dangerous precedent to leave it like that..

>> No.71385167

>>71383408
>Is he really a business genius?
No. Cover have shown time and time again that they are retarded, the leg work of their popularity was done by fans clipping shit and Azur Lane.

>> No.71385375

>>71384787
>growth
The focus on company growth rather than profitability is one of the primary factors leading to inevitable global economic collapse (not to mention inferior products). Growth focus is a scheme based on financial manipulation and has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual capabilities of the company in question.

>> No.71385407

>>71385167
I can think about 22 more reasons than that

>> No.71385496

>>71385167
I do wonder if they'd even be a big corpo without Miko, Suisei, Marine and Coco.

>> No.71385515

>>71384343
It is absolutely not scummy to ask streamers to stream

>> No.71385650

>cover hasn't taken the north pole demographic yet

>> No.71385661

>>71383408
>Is he really a business genius
never has been never will be

>> No.71385776

>>71385496
>I do wonder if they'd even be a big corpo without Miko, Suisei
Probably, both of these two only got real popular after Hololive blew up. Suisei especially on that one.
>Marine and Coco.
These two were definitely more influential on the blow up happening, so it'd be interesting to see where it gets without them.

>> No.71385782

>>71385496
They would still have Pekora, Korone, Subaru, Koyori, and Okayu.

>> No.71386006

>>71383408
Did a Hololive template contract leak?

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>>71383408
Do other vtuber companies like Vshojo, Phase, or even Nijisanji have streaming quotas? Letting your vtubers stream when they actually want to seems pretty industry standard to me.

>> No.71386042

>>71385375
>leading to inevitable global economic collapse
2 more weeks?

>> No.71386100

>>71384787
they have no pivot in an industry that's known to die without pivots, so they're fucked long term.

>> No.71386413
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71386413

>>71383408
Claus-chama...

>> No.71386424

>>71386100
>Hololive doesn't have a pivot
Is this sarcasm or do you really not know? They're the one vtuber company with an actual pivot.

>> No.71386687

>>71383408
>essentially only had 2 streamers ever quit
>one did it to leave the space entirely
>both left on good terms
haven't negro-sanjeep had more graduations than hololive have had chuubas in TOTAL?

>> No.71386779

>>71383408
Yagoo understands the appeal of vtubers and why fans watch them. He doesn't necessarily like that Hololive is dependent on CGDCT content but there is a reason he got involved with the EN branch when it started having issues. He is far better at running a vtuber company than Riku who keeps letting Nijisanji side branches fall apart because of bad management.

>> No.71386968

>>71386424
do you just not know what a pivot is then? Their business model is no different from any other idol company.

>> No.71387032

>>71383408
>No claus in the contract
christmas is ruined

>> No.71387546

>>71384013
>>71386413
>>71387032
Are you guys 12 yrs old or just brown? perhaps bothchama

>> No.71387625

>>71387546
stop being so grinchy :)

>> No.71387773

>>71387546
they're brown

>> No.71387811

>>71385375
Accelerate=Growth=Doom
Luckily Hololive is not focus on growth but stability that is why they will not implement draconian measures that will prompt talents to leave in the name of higher profits. For Cover "Gura not streaming" is more profitable than "no Gura".

>> No.71387916

>>71387811
>For Cover "Gura not streaming" is more profitable than "no Gura".

Is it though?

>> No.71388036

>>71385515
You assume that Hololive is a streaming agency.

>> No.71388120

>>71387916
It's not LESS profitable at least. It's not like she's doing a 9 to 5 with a salary, they can still use the IP for cross-promotion is she doesn't stream. If she doesn't want to stream, that's what the rest of Hololive is for.

>> No.71388249

>>71385496
Suisei was a literal who before 2021

>> No.71388253

>>71388036
Good point, it's entirely likely that only the song-and-dance festival stuff are the obligations once you're past a year of streaming.

That and probably sponsors.

>> No.71388276

>>71386968
HoloIndie Is a great pivot

>> No.71388413

>>71387916
are you retarded?
do you know nothing about hololive?

>> No.71388802

>>71387916
Yes.>>71387811

Gura doesn't stream = Gura's model still appears in ads, merch and the rare contracted work
Gura quits from burnout = They can't do anything with Gura in it anymore without fans turning on them (see: Kizuna Ai seiyuu debacle).

I know /vt/ is a bunch of overdemanding schizos, but it turns out that once your likeness shows up on physical advertisements, "just stream" becomes a suboptimal strategy.

>> No.71389265

>>71388802
>>71388413
>>71388120
Boku no don't understand what overhead costs are

>> No.71389377

>>71383408
He may not be a business genius, but he's my hero.

>> No.71389693

>>71389265
Whatever the cost of keeping Gura fed and medicated is, it's VASTLY less than the loss of revenue being unable to sell her merch would be, and that is without taking into account the real big buck stuff like sponsorships, cameos and licensing, all stuff that goes kaput if Gura quits or kills herself.

>> No.71390045

>>71387546
>why won't you take this shitpost thread seriously

>> No.71390392

>>71389693
plus the cost of the goods, plus the cost of the employees that are hired such as management that most of their job was designated towards gura, plus the opportunity costs of no growth because she's bringing no one new in.

you think they're money trucking on gura, this is a gura cope. they're probably barely breaking even.

>> No.71390539

>>71390392

nijiseethe

>> No.71390796

>>71383408
In some ways yeah but I feel it's more of the upper management and leadership combined that helped make it all work. It feels like if Yagoo had his way they would do nothing but debut more males or something in some insecure complex thinking Cover must be exactly like Anycolor in how it runs.

I do think maybe not a weekly stream minimum but a monthly one would be not too hard or oppressive on the girls. Like, four streams a month minimum but they can do one a week or four in a week if they wanted, etc. And I mean most people would easily say that could or should be like twelve streams aka average three a week minimum. If shitters like Gura or Ayame refuse to comply then start jacking up Cover's cut of their membership/merch income for every week or month they are falling behind. After all only Cover is doing any work on the character if they are trying to keep merch and events going for it if the girl is just absent, and why should she get so much members income if she abandoned them.

>> No.71390997

>>71390392
how many managers do you think a vtuber needs? also it's a known thing that managers would sometimes change from talent to talent, so if there is someone with not much work to do they could be reassigned to someone else that needs it too
but you either already know that but are ignoring it because you need it for your delussions to make sense or you don't know it because you are a sister baiting for (you)s
which one is it?

>> No.71391227

>>71383408
>Is he really a business genius?
Well he at least enough of a business genius to not have his company shit the bed so badly that they trip the circuit breaker during after-hours trading.

>> No.71392808

>>71386042
Opposite of Anycolor. What could go wrong?

>> No.71393333

>>71383408
At the end of the day, what they're selling is an experience, and the experience is "spending time with a girl who is happy and enjoying herself."
If the girls aren't happy and aren't enjoying themselves and don't want to be there, then the customers aren't gonna buy in and the whole operation falls apart.

>> No.71393578
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71393578

>>71383408
"Our revenue structure is shifting to that of IP companies."
Gura is the ideal example of such. Her Guranium and Shushiro Taiwan sold out early for long events. Suisei broke records with the gacha game collab. Also rarely streams much. They are making companies take notice. Merch and Licensing makes more than streaming and concerts.

>> No.71393606

>>71390997
I note how you ignored all the other reasonable counters (cost of goods, loss of growth) and focused solely on the one you could argue against (managers), then acted like that won the whole debate. How interesting.

>> No.71393881

>>71383408
Well business is booming and you have a sweatshop worker mentality.

>> No.71394152

>>71393606
>cost of goods
like what exactly?
>loss of growth
that's where the other talents come in pal, not everyone is one the same kind of content and characters (which is why Holostar still exist) but sure, go on, give me some examples, and please answer which one you are too, you forgot that

>> No.71394187

>>71383408
streaming is essentially just advertisement that makes money by itself at this point. no need for strict streaming quotas when the revenue generated from has been growing much slower than other avenues and the talents are going to stream whether you have quotas or not. merchandising and licensing are where the big money is at.

>> No.71394557

>>71384343
Must have beem desensitised by Gura if some people think 2 hours a week is scummy

>> No.71394563

>>71390392
Gura merch sells faster than every other vtuber, retard. do you think she's salaried at a million dollars or something? giving her a single main manager with a management team that they can shift around to other talents during down time isn't a considerable cost compared to all the money she generates by just existing and reading a few voice lines every now and then.

>> No.71394677

>>71383408
Even if such a thing was in their boilerplate template they'd remove it for Gura, she makes money simply by being cute shark girl.

>> No.71394810

>>71390392
are you fucking retarded
they made $1 million in a single WEEK off her sushi promotion
not to mention, a fuck ton of money for the aquarium collab.
there's no way even a financially illiterate monkey like you don't understand this.

>> No.71394835

>>71383408
Everyone confirmed that they each gets a wish and funding for it, if they hit 1M subs. And another for each next 1M. They cannot reach 1M subs unless they work for it

>> No.71394909

>>71386968
What do you think HoloAlt and HoloEarth is?

>> No.71394935

>>71386100
>fucked long term
>invests a lot on infrastructure, logistics, staffs, and talents
>Happy talents = happy fans = free PR which makes fans happy to support by giving supas and buying merch
>last but not the least, merch are high quality and not just run-of-the-mill products
NIJISEETHE

>> No.71394990

>>71393606
They aren't reasonable counters.
>Cost of goods
On the off chance goods aren't made to order, Gura's still sell well, which is why she's so regularly featured.
>Loss of growth
Your alternative to occasional streams and use of her image to bring in people is to stop that entirely and bring in no one?

>> No.71395089

>>71387546
ok yurobeggar, you can keep going back to begging for holoEU

>> No.71395292

One could compare Gura to Mickey Mouse. When was the last time MM appeared in media? Yet he still sells a lot.

>> No.71398438

>>71395292
Kingdom Hearts 3?

>> No.71399233

yagoo can afford to sack gura, marine is the biggest earner alongside pekora in superchats but why would he ? gura is what salome is to nijisanji, a mascot character for the company to sell merchandise. not their biggest money maker, but a very vital part of the company's image with overseas fan.

>> No.71400661

Even without streaming, Gura is easily still a bridge to get normies into the hobby.

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>>71383408
sure, there's no need
but that doesn't mean being permanently offline doesn't have its consequences
Youtube algo isn't known for handing out second chances

>> No.71401293

>>71384337
>yagoo's strategy is literally minimizing numbers
maybe learn to read, retard

>> No.71401323

>>71399233
>marine is the biggest earner
anon your timeloop...she has earned $8,5k in past 3½ months, paypigs jumped the ship years ago

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