wwyd?

[Anonymous No.]

You have 1 hour to check, sign and send in a silencing contract or you'll get smeared and sent as food to the twitter mobs. What would you do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
I send back a photo of my shit in a toilet bowl

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
Same

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
I'd tell them to take some english lessons and come back later

[Anonymous No.]

>social credibility of Riku
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
basado

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>view same
>no images

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>or

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Stress masturbate and then an hero

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
I feel like this is just a fee stupid people pay for being retarded.
No one with a three digit IQ and a spine is going to fall for this shit. Not a single person.
Niji is a cancer, but it seems its only targetting absolute mongoloids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
The clause about undermining the social credibility of Nijisanji was so vague that management was definitely going to use that against Zaion. Was insane that management only gave her an hour to sign a contract and they actually used Yakuza style bargaining with someone in another country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762816
you see the thing with that is, normal people don't try to become vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
somebody call a notary but not for me

you'd have to be retarded to sign a contract of this nature with a lawyer on retainer and no input from them

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
cum in my own mouth on video and send it to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Leak fucking everything about them and then move back to my father's country.
What are they gonna do? Come after me?
If you fuck over a foreign company you're basically hailed as a hero in the Balkans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
Not even worth it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>You're not allowed to counter our narratives because it might damage our credibility
What is it called when something is so retarded it loops back around to being based?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
What she did, not singing that shit was completely worth it in the end. She is fine and happy and got vindicated completely.
Well, except the self harm, feel sorry for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
I thought the main contract had an extremely favorable clause that they could amend it at any time, so why did they need to even need to have a second contract?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Did they seriously only give her 1 hour?
The "previously sent" part implies that they had sent her a copy before but not when.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
knowing what i know now about anycolor's behavior (which is more than zaion would have known at that time), i would just ignore their message. there's a good chance they'll get anxious and do something stupid to further damage their position while i just watch and laugh.
>>70770430
this is the timestamp of the first time they sent the english-language document to a talent in their english-language branch living in a mainly english-speaking country. there are a variety of reasons to start the clock from that specific message timestamp. we don't have the timestamp of the earlier message.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70770405
That's not an employment contract anon. That's the termination agreement. Basically - sign this and we won't drag you over the coals but don't read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
>niji sues you for using their intellectual property without permission

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Do nothing and relish in the dumpsterfire I caused

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
What if, assuming you still have access to your twitter account, you put on a twitter statement with the most embellishing words you could ever find.
Something like; Hello my dearest fans, I must part with this wonderful company, I want to take my content to a different path, I'll never forget the wonderful friends that made in this company, everyone is so supportive, it really felt like a family, but I must fly solo now. I'll be grateful forever to my fans and everyone who supported me.

It doesn't matter if the content to a different path is the same thing you were doing. Everyone will just assume something wrong happened but it looks amicable, and if Niji puts out a hitlist then they'll look like petty bitches. Wouldn't you assume it would be better to just let it go and end things there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70771702
This is why they lock your out of your socials during suspensions. So you can't get ahead of their narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
fuck kurosanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767542
Based Balkanposter

[Anonymous No.]

Send them a pdf of goatse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Kill the twitter mobs and ignore the dumb cunt that went out of her way to get canned

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Spend that hour archiving absolutely everything I have access to for the inevitable dump.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nijisanji:" You're being fired. Sign this and we'll say that you quit instead. You have an hour"
>Sayu: "pls give more time for lawyer"
>Nijisanji:" Ok, you have three hours "
>Three hours pass and Sayu showed it to her friends instead of a lawyer
>Sayu:"Pls give more time"
>Nijisanji: "Fine, you have three more hours. Actually send it to a lawyer
>Three hours pass and Sayu actually shows it to a lawyer
>Nijisanji: "So are you gonna sign the contract?
>Sayu: "No"
>Nijisanji: "Then you're fired "


Sayu then proceeds to seethe for an eternity because getting fired looks bad while also admitting that she actually did do most of what got her fired. I'm supposed to feel bad for this retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
Huffing copium isn't going to un-graduate your entire branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
excellent fanfiction
I'm sure milord will be proud of this sister!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
>Coping fanfiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>70770430
> 'here's an English version if you need it' implying the one send previously was probably in Japanese. If she had an English-only lawyer, the JP version would be useless to forward for review.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
Serious question here: Why do you bother posting nonsense like this when you know it won't change anyone's mind? Are you just venting your frustrations? I genuinely want to know your motivations if you don't mind sharing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Definitely not alert them to the fact that I have an issue with it and use intimidating legal jargon before consulting a lawyer.
>I need more time to read over this, please understand.
>send to lawyer immediately

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
source? is this legit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776761
They just need to screenshot the post in exchange for Steam giftcards in the Sisters Discord.

Sisters should know their worth and demand extra per (You) instead of a flat rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776761
It's funny to see Dokifags seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776761
Anykuro's rep is so bad at this point that hypothetically convincing even one (1) person that kurosanji good is a massive win for them
like, not even actually convincing anyone, but the idea that someone MIGHT be convinced

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>sent as food to the twitter mobs
This is exactly why this worked on Zaion and not on Selen. Zaion was already on the wrong side of twitter freaks. Public opinion is a scary thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776761
I'm pro-doki but I like to make falseflag posts anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>70778975
Being a Dokifag and a Sayufag is NOT mutually inclusive, anon. In fact I would be willing to bet that neither of them want much to do with the other. Sayu seems REALLY salty that Doki came out of getting "Zaion'd" smelling like roses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779002
>>70779475
>Samefagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779475
>Sayu seems REALLY salty that Doki came out of getting "Zaion'd" smelling like roses.
I would be too if I were her

[Anonymous No.]

>>70778893
If someone told me that Mori had the art changed last minute to make a reference Riku's video, I would believe it. The entire song is coincidentally covering the exact topic that all this drama is about.
>suits treat girls like numbers
>put them under pressure until they crack
>the broken girls lash out and bring the whole system down

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779734
This.

She had to go through all that shit alone and with the world against her. Bullied, belittled, insulted, shit-talked, and with her reputation dragged through the mud and back.
Then a year later someone else goes through the exact same shit, but they end up becoming the 4th most viewed VTube with support of pretty much everyone while she's still struggling and under 100k subs.

She'd have to be a robot to not feel anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70770430
Yeah, they sent her the JP gag order contract and told her to sign within 3 hours.
--------------------
She asked for the EN gag order contract (to be able to show it to her lawyer).
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The manager sent her the EN gag order contract 2 hours later, and told her to sign it within the next 60 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779652
I did author two posts in that time frame, anon, but not those two. You were so close!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
FPBP

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779734
>>70779955
Yeah I definitely don't blame her, either. When it initially happened I was on the wrong side myself, I thought her treatment was too extreme then, too. That being said, if I were Doki, seeing her reaction wouldn't exactly endear me to her, and I don't know what kind of relationship they had to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779955
Truly the unsung hero of NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>Sayu watching Doki raise 200k on her charity stream
A collab would be goated though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70780763
>Spoiler
Sure, but don't ask Sayu for the collab because she already asked not to be bothered about it. The collab will have to come from Doki and that's looking pretty unlikely

[Anonymous No.]

Sieg Zaion!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70780911
Hoping the guy who won the "who should I collab with next?" auction will be the hero we need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70780978
At this point, I think Sayu is doing more damage to them than Doki ever did. Leaking a bad contract 1 week before the board meeting is huge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Oh boy, an hour to sign a contract shell whose contents are permanently in flux and yet will always be entirely against my wellbeing?
What could possibly go wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>Quote:
“Drop the nuke” – Zaion
>Anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZDOEJneZA8&t

[Anonymous No.]

>>70780911
After the fall, it would be cool to see a reunion of past livers sharing their past experiences within the black company.
Documentary coming soon to Netflix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>sign and send in a silencing contract or you'll get smeared and sent as food to the twitter mobs. What would you do?
Read her response. It wasn't "sign or get smeared" it was "sign AND get smeared", they were refusing to remove their "chosen facts" (ie. the twelve bullet points), even if she did sign the contract, and this (were it enforceable) would simply prevent her from responding with a twitlonger the way she did.

She'd be in the same boat weather she signed the silencing agreement or not, save that she would probably be too afraid to reveal any of the petty abuse going on in there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70781455
Zaion-Doki-Pomu collab.

How many dimes would it make?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70781131
She very well could be, though without the Selen/Doki situation her credibility would still be in the shitter. It was the catalyst for her absolution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70781456
And frankly, given that management had been incompetent liars to her for her entire tenure, there was absolutely no reason to trust that they wouldn't violate the agreement while still trying to hold her to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
I will now watch your smart, based ex-niji chuuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
"1 hour isn't enough time to adequately review this document with my council, I will reply within 48 hours."

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762816
Also a fee bad people pay. I'd bet Sonny would sign anything they send him sinply because he has no future anywhere else after faking his own death in his PL

[Anonymous No.]

Why is nijisanji so comically evil lmao
Every day I get embarassed more for supporting Millie, now that more damning bts shit gets leaked for the company she defended so strongly on-stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
They coulda made her agree to it without her knowledge...

From the contract she was probably under:
>In the event that Party A amends this Agreement, Party A shall notify Party B in writing the details of the amendments.
>In the event that Party B does not object to any amendments in the terms of this Agreement within 14 days after the notice pursuant to the preceding paragraph, Party B shall be deemed to have agreed to the amendments in this Agreement. **The same shall apply if Party B conducts ANY ACTIVITY under this Program within the same period.**
So they could have just amended her contract with this whole silencing contract, in its entirety, and she would have officially accepted it by doing any of her vtuber activities: logging onto the company discord, tweeting, streaming, anything at all involving the "Program", and she would have been automatically locked in, whether she read the changes or not. They can just send written notice by freight mail.

What saved her from that, was the fact that she was suspended, and thus could not log into any of her "Vtuber activities".

Coulda unsuspended her for a day and tricked her into logging in, and thus accept all the new terms, but I guess they didn't think of that.

Fucking dodged a bullet there - even if this whole thing is ultimately unenforceable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70789279
> supporting Millie
GTFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70790674
Realistically a judge would probably punish them for trying to do slimy underhanded shit like that and strike the clause. Contract law in most countries has a baseline of fairness that you can't dodge around while being intentionally duplicitous. Especially when the duplicitous side is the one that has all the power in the contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779955
Another layer of complexity to the situation is that I think Sayu knows the only reason she is being vindicated in the public eye is because of Doki. In a way Sayu does owe her for her recent surge in popularity and support which can result in really mixed feelings

[Anonymous No.]

>>70790674
This had me thinking - I still believe the majority of unexplained disappearances are stealth suspensions, but some absences may have also been breathing space to negotiate new terms under their amendments article - anything from renegotiating merch cuts (as a carrot or stick) to imposing a contractual blanket ban on hosting events (Selen).

[Anonymous No.]

>>70791089
There's a lot of things like that in there which would be instantly thrown out of any civilized court (though I'm still not sure about Japan) as would the Silencing Contract itself.

But the fact that something that heinous is in there at all speaks volumes, and I'm not convinced they forgot to use it, so much as they simply couldn't trap her that way while she was suspended.

>>70791397
I don't think contract negotiations are really a thing in this company, so much as you sign it, or you walk (upwards of a year later)... Or you just agree to whatever they want you to agree to automatically, by simply doing your job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70791766
I bet they are if you become big enough. Vox probably negotiated on his renewal, he's full of himself instead of the typical "I'm blessed to be in Nijisanji" shit the women in the company fall for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70791969
Possibly, though I doubt MiLord is the badly dubbed mastermind anime supervillain that he sounds like. (Really couldn't have picked a better voice for the black box stream.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70792443
You don't have to be smart to be a stuck up your own ass prima donna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70788480
I'd argue that Sonny would revert to his old ways and fake another death to escape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70793588
I feel like Sonny learned from how badly it went the first time, and would not likely be down for another go at it.
In this case, having seen some of his fans, I wouldn't fault him for doing a runback on the strategy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70781456
>they were refusing to remove their "chosen facts" (ie. the twelve bullet points), even if she did sign the contract, and this (were it enforceable) would simply prevent her from responding with a twitlonger the way she did.

Prove it, retard. Citing facts legally isn't defamation either

[Anonymous No.]

>>70793765
I just had a hilarious mental image of Sonny constantly faking his death to avoid minor inconveniences, but unexplainably shows up the next day.
>Sonny takes a cyanide pill to avoid testifying in court.
>Sonny disappears during a camping vacation the week before a Niji-mandated collab event.
>Sonny drowns while swimming off the coast of Australia the day he was supposed to meet with Luca.
>Sonny perishes in a dramatic explosion while fighting off Anykara ninjas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70795024
>As punishment for using Death to cheat Life, he is now cursed to wander this land without Death's redemption.
>Not because of some tragic or vindictive redemption arc or anything
>But because it's really funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
Your existence is maintained by copium

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
You are fucking retarded let me fix this for you.
>Get 1 hour to sign a legal document that takes more than one hour to read, let alone contact a lawyer.
>Push back and get a total of 3 hours, which is not much better. Ask for more reasonable time but get denied.
>Read the document, sounds like a shit deal for you with Niji looking squeaky clean.
>Cannot get a hold of your lawyer, probably because they sent to to her at like 1 am or something stupid.
>Freak out and ask friends for advice in desperation.
>Deadline comes and Niji gives more time despite their initial refusal since you didn't sign it yet.
>Finally get a hold of your lawyer and pay him out the ass for urgency fees to look at this right the fuck now.
>Confirm what you though, that this contract is dog shit and don't sign it.
>Niji Releases the character assassination they were going to release whether you signed it or not.
>Try to desperately get the word out to save your reputation in what ever way you legally can, but the damage is already done
>Back in the Indy workforce, in far worse shape than when you joined Niji, in thousands to 10s of thousands of dollars in debt because they didn't reimburse you a dime and penalized you of most if not all of your wages.
>Contemplate suicide/make the attempt but bitch out because despite your depression you are not an idiot.
>Struggle for a year battling depression while carrying this burden of a black mark, most of your vtuber associates either can't contact you anymore, are afraid contacting you will hurt their careers, or out right despise you.
>After a year, the same thing happens to another Chuuba and unlike you, she breaks free and gets all the love support you desperately needed.
>For some reason you two do not connect despite your similar situations.
>You help strike one of the final blows to hopefully prevent this shit from happening to others, but despite this revenge, it doesn't heal the wounds you received.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>hey here's the gigantic legal document we want you to sign, you have 1 hour lol
I would call this comical but at this point it's just getting tiring

[Anonymous No.]

>>70778769
Oh ? They really don't know they will get banned because the "gifts" are being buyed with stolen credit cards. The refund order gets in, steam ban you for being a retard
Classic chink scam. Never trust a china-man

[Anonymous No.]

>>70798571
The answer is easy.

Doki and Sayu must need to have sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
...This has to be a falseflag. I can't even begin to imagine a Nijisanji fan actually sticking with the company and not just being worried sick for their oshi after reading that contract. Please say psych for my own sanity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70798571
God, the whole thing is still sad, man. I was hoping that at least the Doki thing would help Sayu wash that stain off, but now she's getting hounded and compared to Doki all the time. I understand why they wouldn't want to get involved publicly right now, but it still hurts as a fan of both of them that people keep bringing them up together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70798571
So basically what I said with prettier words to make Sayu sound less of a retard and more of a pitiable victim. I don't know how you think Sayu not being able to read two pages in under an hour makes her look good though

Eventually, people's pity runs out and they'll start to look at things objectively. When that day comes, you'll probably still be using emotional arguments to justify retardation and be humiliated

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762816
Some people can be pressured into doing the stupidest shit anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>70800734
Yeah, but it can't be helped, Their situations are similar. They are going to be brought up together whether they like it or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70800294
yeah, with me

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078
>look at things objectively
>still defending Nijisanji.
You know Doki raised that money for you, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70798571
>>70800734
I think the reason why Doki has not publicly associated with Sayu is because Sayu is going through her own situation and seeing as Doki seems to want to put her own situation behind her Doki wants to not be involved with her just yet. In other words, she is waiting to see what happens with that first. After that has passed she and Sayu will probably collab with each other in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
your kind is so weakmind that you had to run to a DOXXSITE of all things to comment on things
you'll never get what you want
you'll get what you deserve

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078
>>Complains I painted Sayu as a victim when NIJI tried to force her to sign a unfavorable contract under duress, making her... a victim.

Lol. Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801250
I hope that is the case. It could also be that both of their lawyers told them to distance themselves from each other while this situation is still hot.

It could also be that they just didn't have time to know each other before Sayu got canned from niji,

I hope it isn't something like Selen believed NIJI and was against Zaion at the time, which would also explain why no Collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801612
Yep, the situation is still hot, unfortunately. And the thing that sucks about this whole thing is that whenever Shittysanji fucks up sisters keep making it about Doki and Sayu like it's their fault. Let's hope it cools soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078
kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801250
That's what I'm hoping, but I also know I have absolutely no proof either way and is just going off of liking both of them as content creators.
The one thing I'm like 80% sure of is that Sayu unfollowed Doki to get people to shut up about it, which unfortunately seems to be having the opposite effect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801612
>>70801972 (me)
>>70802160
Also, I doubt Selen would believe anything Niji has to say. Even IF(and that's a big if) Selen did believe in them at one point she sure shit doesn't now after what she has personally been through. But that's just my opinion. It's also kind of awkward for them to collab right now because they are getting so much attention currently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70802334
It doesn't help that they have virtually nothing in common outside of being fucked over on the way out by Niji. Hell I don't even know if they ever actually met due to how short their time was together. She was basically on ice after a few streams. I wouldn't be surprised if they reached out in private, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if Doki actively wants to avoid anything like this from blowing back on anyone, especially if they're already in hot water with people. There's really nobody to blame here for believing in selen but not zaion, and that just makes everything sadder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078

[Anonymous No.]

>>70802560
If a collab were to happen it would have to be organic not "forced" and artificial. Both Doki and Sayu seem like the type of people who would like collabs to be more natural if anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
The food that used to be that shit was bought with Nijisanji funds so you have to send it back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70781131
Doki wants peace. Sayu wants revenge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078
>I don't know how you think Sayu not being able to read two pages in under an hour makes her look good though
Fully comprehending any legal document in under an hour is something lawyers charge for with good reason.

I don't know how you think a corporation giving someone two hours to sign while threatening them if they don't is a good look for the corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70770430
Yes, they duressed her so she told them to fuck off, at that point the termination was finalized already anyways and she knew so what they could have done with a contract that is 50% not enforceable in the US because it violates multiple workers rights laws after hwr lawyer also told her to tell them to fuck off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70803265
>Doki wants peace. Sayu wants revenge.
Retarded nigger post. Neither of them wants to keep talking about this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804255
Sayu will talk about it again the next time she is asked, she just leaked one contract(or 2) and she will leak more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70803318
>Fully comprehending any legal document in under an hour is something lawyers charge for with good reason.
Yeah, it's something lawyers charge for because retards are willing to pay for it.

>>70801398
She was about to get fired and they gave her hours to look over it and sign it. Which she eventually said no to. Not very successful "duress" then huh? The benefits to the contract were her not being fired which would save her reputation like how people quit before they get fired because it looks better. The only downside to the contract for her was she doesn't get to defame them, which is something that shouldn't even need to be said. For someone so old, she sure isn't wise

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
can you think before writing?
>She was about to get fired and they gave her hours to look over it and sign it.
they gave her an hour, do you have short memory loss or something?
the duress did not work because she was not stupid to sing a document before doing proper review, i bet that if niji give a document to sing with them you wont read any of it and if they say that at the end of the contrac you cannot talk bad about the company and you should suicide after contract you would do it, that vibe is the only thing i get from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
So true sister, #cut4Hex

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
So true, sister. #underagedicksoutforvox

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
Did you not read the part they were still going to list defamatory statements on why they were parting ways if she signed, but instead Sayu can't say anything about them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
Fuck off, sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Helldiver_Contract_of_Employment

I cannot believe that the Niji contract is almost comparable to a satirical fascist military contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70802560
I think they would've gotten along since people basically painted Zaion as Finana 2.0 and and Selen got along with Finana well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804384
I don't know if she leaked two contracts. She gave that Youtube lawyer her unsigned gag order and basically had her name attached to it, so why leak just that one publicly and not the other? The other problem is that if the failed Gamer Wave project is any indication, there's at least one other person there that potentially has an unsigned contract, or maybe even other indies that made it far and refused to sign. There's even the possibility, however rare, that the contract may have been leaked by a current member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>we would like you to finish reading and signing this contract in an hour
I'd tell them to fuck off and look elsewhere, are you fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70805573
>they gave her an hour, do you have short memory loss or something?
They gave her 6-7 hours, that's nearly a third of the day. Can you not read just like your oshi?

>>70807133
Can't read what doesn't exist. They never said anything about still releasing the list, I doubt they even told her about it because why would they? They never made any defamatory statements because defamation has to be a lie. Not slandering someone shouldn't even have to be part of a contract, it should be common sense. Shame Sayu is blatantly retarded. I tuned into to her stream and she was just pirating Power Rangers on her channel. No wonder she wasn't fit for a corpo

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809070
>They never made any defamatory statements because defamation has to be a lie.
>Japan
Also yeah, Sayu's dumb wasn't fit for corpo, but that still doesn't give them free pass to abuse and exploit people like this. Can't wait to see the fireworks at the investor's meeting.

...Except not really because even I know they're going to go out with a whimper, not a bang. They're just gonna slowly dwindle and dwindle until they dissolve into nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70800734
>but now she's getting hounded and compared to Doki all the time
tell her to stop trying to ride the coattails of doki's success and constantly complain that she isn't the center of attention, then

[Anonymous No.]

>>70802560
>There's really nobody to blame here for believing in selen but not zaion
Yeah there is. I was on Zaion's side the day it happened, because it was fucking obvious what Niji was doing. I have zero respect for anyone brain damaged enough to have fallen for Niji's bullshit. Mostly a bunch of stupid redditors leading that particular witchhunt against her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70794690
It is in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078
Nigga if a contract is literally gonna dictate my fucking personal life and all of my income for the foreseeable future I am gonna need more than 24 hours to scour it even if it's one paragraph long.

What kind of fucktarded lao gan ma logic are you on to think 1hr is even within the realm of what any court would consider an appropriate deadline

Your whole family has to be fucked in the head for at least 10 generations to entertain such Confucian logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809443
watch streams. Or actually don't. I don't want your greaseball sister hands anywhere near my oshi. Go watch your Luxiem oshi Raz.
>>70809574
It sounds nice, but at the same time the average joe isn't going to actually do a deep dive into whether or not Niji is lying. It takes a heavy hitter like Selen being slandered in the same way for it to have any blowback. Zaion was just a literal who to them who only showed up for like 3 weeks before being memoryholed for a month. I'm glad I showed up though because she's adorable and I really want to see her succeed now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809070
do you lack comprehensive skills too?
niji did not give those hours, she herself did by not being stupid and being knowledgeable about her rights, while niji just want to power harass her by pure pressure, she doesnt have the money, the connections and her reputation was damage because fangirls cannot understand simple logic, i dont think this level of understanding can make you human or be categorized as one rn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
I'd either go full nuclear or go on holiday somewhere preferably with no internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809200
Slowly dwindling is the only option I can see for NijiEN right now. Some good things do seem to be happening like Petra having her 3D debut leaked for March 16 (coincidentally AFTER Anycolor changed their stock type and not long after their quarterly reports..), but again this came after a solid month of controversy that really damaged their reputation in the west and March hasn't started off much better yet either.
Finally getting 3D for more than 3 (or 2 now) talents is good both for the organs and the fans that still remain, but this is just the start of Anycolor's journey to rebuild their public image in the west. They need to run some of their talents through multiple PR training courses, really start to tardwrangle if not prune the more yab talents, enforce rules properly with no favoritism, and really invest more time and money into these 3D debuts and other various events just so people will at least tolerate them again, and give money without feeling guilty about whether or not they're enabling this shitty company. This could take months or more than a year though, and who knows if Riku has the money or the patience for it.

>>70809574
It's also because of the witch hunting that Zaion essentially went full kamikazi pilot on NijiEN today by letting the lawyer dude read her gag order. The fact that it happened nearly a full year after her termination really makes it feel like a message, like her going
>You guys may have forgotten about it, but I haven't. The scene basically shunned me and tried to beat me down after an already stressful period in my life, and it even impacted aspects of my offline life for this whole year. Well, now I'm going to set the record straight and clear my name, regardless of whether other people get impacted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
I see. This is the best steam giftcards can get. Thanks sister bot. You're stupidity and bad faith has been entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809892
>disliking zaion means I like nijisharts
roru
rumao, even
I'm not going to watch them or your attention whore of an oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809940
>niji did not give those hours, she herself did

I didn't know she was also a part of management. Great rrat. Obviously she herself said she was given 7 hours and she clearly was not under duress if they were just giving her more and more time to waste.

>She doesn't have the money
Yeah I know

>her reputation was damage
ESL. Her reputation wasn't damaged because her termination, Niji's was. In case you haven't realized, Twitter already hated her dumbass because of the rape joke. There was no reputation to damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>70811916
...You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Her reputation was no worse than the other organs. Enna, Vox, Uki, and Kyo have said MUCH worse shit repeatedly and doubled down every time, yet they were never forced to retire over it. You just hate her because you are too stupid to actually go out and do your own research into people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
based and brown pilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>70811916
she already talked about this, i will explain it for slow people like you:

niji gave one hour for her to sign the termination (which was illegal).
she asked her friends for help, she couldnt review it on time with a lawer from the illegal dadline, but she knew that the deadline was illegal and could argue that in california is 3 hours just in case.
sayu was asking for an extension, they give the ok after more than 3 hours pass, she finally get lawer to review it and said no.
slandering begins even if she signed it or not.

you now understand that niji did not give the first 3 hours, her state give her the 3 hours not niji, niji does not govern california can your brain get it now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70791766
Nah, black companies definitely negotiate. They blackmail you, and if that doesn't work they strong-arm you, and if that doesn't work they threaten you, and if that doesn't work they start emotionally bargaining with you, and if that doesn't work they try to reframe the original stipulations, and if that doesn't work they revert back to threatening, et cetera.

These companies make use of social engineering to confuse and scare people into signing contracts and keep them employed. They don't actually want an employee to escalate legally, because that'd bring the company practices into the light, and they'd most definitely lose in most cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801078
>Sayu, who was employed with Google and Apple, making 6-figures in California, is a retard
>meanwhile, this pakistani fujosister is a genius

NARUHODO

[Anonymous No.]

>>70812459
Don't like the way Twitter operates? Take it up with them

>>70813052
https://streamable.com/zmte96

It must be nice to knowingly lie on the Internet while claiming to actually know what you're talking about. She never said she legally argued that she would be allowed three hours, that's not how the law works. Let's do some simple math that I know you're not smart enough to do

1 hour + 3 hours + 3 hours = 7 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813173
And Sayu's ultimate fate is having her streams of 400 people where she does nothing but react to other people's content. She is holding the record for the fastest an EN member was fired, the most rule breaks in EN, the most controversies within three months of joining and the most disliked Nijisanji member within Niji. Not a single person has talked with her and even when Ex-Nijis talk about her, they hate her. But she had a job at Google so she's a genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813332
Not him but why do you think this makes anything better? Standard practice is *no less than* 3 business days to review these sorts of contracts, specifically so lawyers have a chance to look at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813475
That you Elira? When you streaming again? I have a whole notepad of mean shit ready to post in your chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813483
In femanon's country the chance to review contracts doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813475
>400 people

Sayu is consistently getting 8 to 10 finana streams, sister.

You are mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813742
Even sadder is sister's delusion number is still more than 1 Finana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813475
Get a rope sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Black company shenanigans

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813332
From the video, it seems that she asked for a 3 hour extension, during the initial 1 hour time limit, to have her lawyer look at it; she was denied.
When they reached the 1 hour time limit and she had not signed it, they provided her with the 3 hour extension to sign it; she interpreted it as them being desperate for her to sign the 'silencing' contract.
At this point, she gets her lawyer to look at it and eventually decides not to sign it.
So when they saw that the 1 hour time limit pressure didn't work and she was undecided, she gave her the extension hoping she would sign it.
The whole thing probably took less than 4 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813475
400 huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813332
the stream you mention was from what she recalled without checking, legal mindset has the DMs that make your video not the exact facts and thus an approximate telling. https://streamable.com/619343
she did not say 1 +3 hours, she said 3 hours but the deadline was in the first hour of that 3, not 1 + 3 and why te fuck does matter the time that niji gives after the first illegal deadline?, what are you trying to say exactly or what point it makes legally, are you trying to deflect on something else than the actual facts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70814220

Bros that's over ten finanas...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809200
>Also yeah, Sayu's dumb wasn't fit for corpo
Sayu said her senpais often told her this is just how it is in a corp. She tried explaining that it was not. She has worked for Google and Apple before. The livers remaining are just fucking retarded...thinking this is how it's supposed to be. Their toxicity is not fit for non-black corpos. They deserve to be blacklisted for the rest of their careers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70814642
I guess, but at the same time there's a difference between safe comedy for a large audience and the kind of humor Sayu tends to gravitate too. A lot of her shit would get her eviscerated by the butthurt chinese and koreans like Kyo and Enna. Honestly, if it wasn't one thing, it would've been another. It's much better for her now to be free and able to focus on her own style rather than trying to always play things safe for sponsors.
Would've been nice to not be blacklisted by everybody for a year though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813475
Last time I checked she was pulling 3k between twitch and youtube, and it was outside her usual schedule and doing a collab with a random small indie vtuber. I'm sorry sister, but she is doing extremely well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70814934
Unironically doing better than most of Luxiem. Luca's flat out doing worse than her on most days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70803197
KEKW

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
this is just sad...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70814329
Well I'm pretty sure she knows more about what happened considering she's the one who things were happening to. You are forgetting the fact that she was handed an "English" version and she knows Japanese. The fact this grifter lawyer ignores that and continues to spread misinformation proves this fucker is a fraud

Fact is, by her own words, she had at least 6 hours to sign the graduation form if she didn't want to be fired.

"Illegal deadline "
The lawyer larper is a fraud. All matters regarding the contract are governed by Japanese law so why the fuck is he talking about US law applying? Did he do a whole mini court case on his own to know that the contract would be forced to be applied to US law? He probably put on a little judge wig too and had a tiny gavel

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
>I'm supposed to feel bad for this retard?
Nobody gives a golly-Goddamn fuck what (You) think.
Who are you?
You could die tomorrow. Can you count more than ten people who'd grieve for even a week?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70814934
>>70814420
>>70813742

Love how you clowns don't acknowledge the fact she's a fucking react streamer now and instead only focus on numbers. Actual monkeys

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804255
>Neither of them wants to keep talking about this
Sayu leaked the fucking contract this thread is discussing you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815328
You were the one that brought up numbers, paki-chan.
Sisters are not bringing their best

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815328
??????????????????????????????
Sister what in the flying fuck are you talking about? Can you at least pretend to know what you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815328
>Love how you clowns don't acknowledge the fact she's a fucking react streamer now
Because you can easily check her streams and VODs to see that's not true. Come on, tell me all about those "react" streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Send back picture of a sandwich

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815328
>SHE IMPUGNED MILORD'S EMPLOYER, GET HER
Better a fucking monkey than a woman so fucking ugly she can't even muster a pity-rape in south east Asia and has to rely on a british pedophile to pantomime sex into a microphone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815395
>>70815396
s-she is reacting to the games... she is playing...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70814934
She averages around 4-5 finanas for about 10 hours or so only on twitch. Usually she peaks to 7-8 finanas towards the latter third of her streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>NDF BTFO again
This is starting to get boring.

[Anonymous No.]

It's hilarious to think if Selen's attempt actually was successful every single member of NijiEN would've done a stream about how sad they are and asking for "support" just to capitalize on the tragedy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762865
But anon, they are not yakuza is in the contract

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762816
>>70763288
anyone in NijiEN that graduated (not terminated) signed this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815561
It's like killing caterpillars on your vegetables.
It's boring as fuck doing it but it's worse if you don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813475
>400
please, shes a 4view at worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815603
I thought about that the other day. It's genuinely horrifying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815603
I dont like to think about the timeline where it wasnt just an attempt

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815603
Grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762865
Unfortunately for them the whole "Contractor Not Employee" shit was blown out of the fucking water with that contract. So this will turn into a labor dispute.
A Californian labor dispute.

Personally I think the funniest outcome would be this shit going to the US courts, being found so flagrantly fucking illegal that not only is the contract rendered null and void, but they're banned from operating in any facet in the USA as an illegal enterprise.
They have banned foreign companies for Forced Labor after all.

I know it won't happen, but God I wish it did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815328
You're thinking about pikamee after she jumped ship to vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815603
In your dreams maybe.
People outside of niji at the very least, like family and friends, would have gone public with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809070
Truly a 39iq post, this is one of the most retarded sisters of all time

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762816
id sign that contract if it means i can fuck Eliras tits

[Anonymous No.]

>>70811916
>she clearly was not under duress if they were just giving her more and more time to waste.
They sent that 1 hour deadline at 11pm her time when her lawyer was asleep and you think she'd think "yeah fine I'll take care of it myself"?
>Her reputation wasn't damaged because her termination, Niji's was.
Lol, she had a very clean rep pre-Niji, and that was ruined by Niji
Your lack of intelligence is astounding

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816219
she's a bully anon, she will deny you and cuck you and you will probably fucking like it you degenerate fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>70811916
>Niji damages its own reputation
Oh nyo~

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815637
Comparing paki-chan to a caterpillar is insulting to the caterpillar. At least the latter will grow up to be a beautiful thing.

[Anonymous No.]

If Zaion evil, why hot?
Your honors, I conclood

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815613
Doubt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
Sons of bitches. They did this to her for real...
God DAMN Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815258
you cannot use a recalling of events as proof in any legal court system without evidence on a court, the DM showed by the lawer was given from the source (sayu) which no matter if niji gave more time after that illegal deadline being that 7 hours, 1 or 3 business days the only think that a court needs as evidence is that DM sent by niji was an illegal deadline, sayu knows japanese but that doesnt mean that she is japanese, she is born is usa in california and she was working from there so the rules that apply for the employment of sayu are located in california not japan, it was already stated with the other case about dokibird, not because you work for a japanese company you get japanese rights and benefits and much less as a contractor, you have the rights from where you are born because international law and your own nation laws protects you when you are legally employed in a different country but you still reside in your state.

that is why japanese ask for a home address when being employed in japan, that guarantees them that their are employed in japan and not outside japan, but because sayu and doki are employed outside japan in a home address outside japan the japanese labor laws do not apply and their born state labor laws apply instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
CRASH AND BURN EVERYTHING!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70801122
I wrote this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815395
at this point i dont know why we even argue with nijiniggers, they know they are wrong and still do it in bad faith, they want to lick the boots of the company because their identity is being a nijinigger, without it they feel they have nothing else, they spread the most balant lies in desperation thinking no one will go and easily disprove them, they even contradict their own company statements to shill and defend them

[Anonymous No.]

>>70780978
>"This is only the beginning of our war. We have been putting more and more effort toward making our rrats stronger. Nijisanji has done the same."
>"Rise, RISE! Take your sorrow and turn it into anger! SIEG ZAION!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815395
>>70815396

I wonder why her VODs where she reacts to other people's content aren't up anymore. Maybe it's because she takes them down to avoid getting shit on by copyright. Like any other streamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816662
No it's because they're from November you moron. Twitch only saves vods for a limited time. She's been slowly uploading vods of the subathon but since she has to do it manually it takes fucking days to render.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816590
>at this point i dont know why we even argue with nijiniggers
Because it's surprisingly easy for blatant lies to spread around as facts if they are not called out enough. I have seen some legit sayufags that thought she leaked screenshots of her DMs with Nina in the document she did.

>>70816662
What, are you talking about the subathon she did 5 months ago? You can still find it in her VODs channel. What you see in twitch and youtube is what she has been streaming since her debut.
Also
>doesn't even know that twitch purges 2 month old VODs
retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816415
I don't even see how her recalling is wrong.
She said she was given a 1 hour time limit; she proved this by showing the DMs.
She said that her 3 hour extension request was denied prior to completion of 1 hour time limit.
When she had not signed at the end of the 1 hour time limit, they gave her the requested extension.
This only shows that they were forcing her to sign within the 1 hour, not even giving her enough time to let her lawyer look at it initially.

[Anonymous No.]

>S-she must have deleted the reaction streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816795
The difference is if you think you have only 1 hour, your reactions are going to be different than if you have 3. Being told you have 7 hours to plan a response is very different from being told 1 hour and getting extensions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816415
>the rules that apply for the employment of sayu are located in california not japan
No idea why you think that. The rules apply of whichever court the case ends up in. In Anycolor sued her in a Japanese court, Japanese laws apply but a Japanese civl court couldn't do shit to an American citizen. If AnyColor sued her in California their laws would (somewhat) apply though they would still look at the contract first in the context of Japanese law (and then probably throw it out anyway). The threat here isn't legal, it's reputation. If you break an NDA the company you signed it with doesn't have to go to court, they can simply assert that you broke an NDA and your ass is getting blacklisted. No court required.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816795
>This only shows that they were forcing her to sign within the 1 hour, not even giving her enough time to let her lawyer look at it initially.
They are fucking scared of lawyers. The panicked so fucking much when Selen's lawyer sent them her document that they reported themselves trying to get ahead of the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816415
>you cannot use a recalling of events as proof in any legal court system without evidence
You also can't show a single edited screenshot out of context as proof

> 1 or 3 business days the only think that a court needs as evidence is that DM sent by niji was an illegal deadline,

Now you're just regurgitating what the Fraud says. The contract given to her has a clause that says all matters pertaining to the contract are governed by Japanese law specifically to weed out retard dollar store lawyers who would try to claim "muh international law". She signed for her contract to be enforced by Japanese law and because of the principle of party autonomy, she isn't protected by big daddy America. I said she could speak Japanese because obviously she was given a contract in Japanese and then requested for it to be translated in English. Why don't we see exactly what was said that day if she was sharing screenshots? Convenient

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816852
It's also why even if Sayu and Doki beat all the allegations, unless Niji itself goes under I don't expect any big japanese collabs.
For Sayu that would be sad, but I don't think Doki gives a shit right now outside of Sanrio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816882
Don't kid yourself, there is no real threat to AnyColor in the legal sense. A Canadian court can't really do shit to a Japanese company. They are worried about their reputation. They fucked up with the retarded termination notice and Doki's response to it making them look really bad, and that's the story they were hoping to beat by trying to reinforce their claim that she was a troublemaker. The legal document was just the excuse for their whining about her actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816914
>The contract given to her has a clause that says all matters pertaining to the contract are governed by Japanese law specifically to weed out retard dollar store lawyers who would try to claim "muh international law".
NTA but this point literally does not matter and is illegal. Local state laws don't get superseded because a contract says so

[Anonymous No.]

Signing that contract would be so pointless.
Since they were still going to release the facts at a 'reasonable discretion', only now she wouldn't be able to talk about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816962
>A Canadian court can't really do shit to a Japanese company
Issue massive fines. If they refuse to comply with the fines, be banned from doing business in Canada which a number of their EN talents are from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816922
In Doki's case I don't know about big but she did already do a Collab with some holostars members on their PL. Not a lot of people in Hololive doing collabs with EN indies though, I think Kiara is the only one that bothers? She also probably has an in with Mumei as they're apparently IRL friends so I think she'll be good on that front once the drama dies down.

Sayu sadly just seems generally too small to bother with for big collabs, but hopefully she gets some more growth off of this whole debacle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817060
>Issue massive fines
Oh no. Je ne parle français. Que?
>If they refuse to comply be banned from doing business in Canada
The issue is they never did business IN Canada in the first place, and a Canadian civil court isn't going to block their entire population from signing a contract with a Japanese company. Canada has absolutely no teeth here, again, don't kid yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816821
It really doesn't matter if you get 7 hours starting from 11pm when your lawyer is asleep

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817012
>Local state laws don't get superseded because a contract says so

In all matters regarding the contract, it literally does. There's a reason your grifter didn't bring that up

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817181
I mean the first thing he should have brought up is the fact that neither side has a real legal threat against the other, and that the purpose of the contract is to protect the company from being sued in Japan and Japan only. Any nonsense about US courts or such is completely irrelevant bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816795
that is what made it illegal they gave first a 1 hour time limit under duress, her state says 3 hours, it's illegal no matter what company does it inside california or the usa if she is working remotely from said state, other think that they did not have into account was the time zone, how can sayu look for lawer if maybe all lawer are sleep or not working at that time?, they cannot even declare that the guy that sended the message was not a representative of niji because talking with him actually led to her termination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817240
I though according to Japan Labour laws, you have to give an employee 30 days notice before terminating them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
i just immediately start SNEEDING

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816914
>You also can't show a single edited screenshot out of context as proof

the screenshot was not edited, you just want it to be, unless you are claming that she did, it is not a leaked message from a vt board is actually from the source so keep coping.

>The contract given to her has a clause that says all matters pertaining to the contract are governed by Japanese law specifically

just because you sign a contract doesnt make it legal where it actually applies, they made a contractor document using japanese laws to employ someone that does not apply to, yes under japanese law is legal if it applied to her, but because it does not because you are emploting someone that is not a resident in japan it does not apply, japanese can only enforce law on a worker that is resident in japan or japanese nationality, is that hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817954
>the screenshot was not edited
It literally has to be cropped, that's called an edit, retard

>Is that hard to understand?
Yes, ESL schizo babble usually is hard to understand. If you signed a contract for a Japanese company and the contract says you agree to be subject to Japanese laws regarding this contract, if you break the contract, you break the civil law in regards to the contract. The laws regarding the contract apply to her.

>japanese can only enforce law on a worker that is resident in japan or japanese nationality,

Really? Time to sign up for a remote job and embezzle millions of dollars then get away with it because my country will protect the hustle. You actually believe this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817954
Anon. The contract does not exist to provide excuses to sue talents. They. Don't. Need. To. Sue. They have all the power. They own all the accounts and IPs, all the money the talents make is paid to them directly before being distributed back to the talents. All they need to do is fire someone for breaching the contract under Japanese law because the only thing the contract is meant to do is protect them against Japanese courts. Foreign courts are in absolutely no way relevant to this whole issue. The people who work there do so because they want what Nijisanji is offering them, not because a contract is forcing them to, they're the ones that lose if the contract falls apart. They're the ones that lose if the contract holds up. Welcome to the real world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70818173
>Anon thinks a screenshot is a full screen capture
Bro just shut the fuck up if you can't even understand the fucking basics. Jesus fuck you're talking out of your ass so rabidly it's not even a joke anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
She got to colony drop a 3 billion dollar company in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776761
nta, but it's easier to bait dokifag than nijikek

[Anonymous No.]

>>70818228
Cry more faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>70818173
>It literally has to be cropped, that's called an edit, retard
im refering to the information inside the messagge was not made up and is factual, i thought you where saying that the info was made up or manipulated that could be interpreted as edited too.

>The laws regarding the contract apply to her.
they do if she was going to file a court case against niji in japan, niji is safe in japan undesrtand it, she doesnt have a case in japan, japan, she does have a case in USA, is that hard to understand?

Really? Time to sign up for a remote job and embezzle millions of dollars then get away with it because my country will protect the hustle. You actually believe this

next time make sure to have people working in japan have and address in japan like right?, and where all those millions you are talking about???

[Anonymous No.]

>>70818579
>Make an absolute ass of yourself
>Start pissing yourself and spouting retarded meme responses
As expected I guess, but why the fuck are you still posting? The fuck is this masochistic drivel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817064
Altare's pl also did a Collab with sayu after the termination since they were friends since Indies

[Anonymous No.]

NDF live in a parallel universe, that's why they constantly throw out facts to defend their oshi Riku that don't match with this reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70818950
>i thought you where saying that the info was made up or manipulated that could be interpreted as edited too.

Fair

>they do if she was going to file a court case against niji in japan,
Exactly, you get it now. She has no case against Nijisanji but Nijisanji could have multiple on her

>next time make sure to have people working in japan have and address in japan like right?, and where all those millions you are talking about?

Anon. It was an example which would be clearly illegal in most countries to show how people could abuse the legal system if that was actually the case. You'd still get sued to shit and back for breaking a contract that hard no matter what country you hide in

[Anonymous No.]

>>70819526
>Nijisanji could have multiple on her
No. Similar to how a US civil court has no sway over a JP company here, a JP court has no way to touch a US citizen. Niji won't want to sue, the discovery process can only really hurt their reputation and they have no real need to SUE. All they would have to do is wave the Contract/NDA around to prove Sayu broke it and her reputation and credibility is out the window, again, they don't need to involve any courts had she signed. The whole reason they do the whole hitlist of reasons for termination is to discredit the person and protect their reputation. That's also what they tried to do with Selen (twice) although it hugely backfired because she had too much credibility for them to undermine.

>Anon. It was an example which would be clearly illegal in most countries to show how people could abuse the legal system if that was actually the case
It is the case though. There's a reason companies like Nijisanji make sure they're in full control of the money. No way for employees to embezzle shit if they can't ever get to the money.
>You'd still get sued to shit and back for breaking a contract that hard no matter what country you hide in
No. Not even at all. Do some real research into case law and you'll find that this couldn't be farther from the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70779475
No, most of us are fine with both and we just understand that there's no point shoving two people together since all it does is hurt both of them. Sayu fans have seen it all before, and the goons seem to be pretty empathetic.
But since both of them stream at completely opposite hours and have opposite taste in games, there's not a ton of overlap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70794690
That's exactly her complaint in the response. And as the Anon said, "facts" are defamation in Japan, as well as in several US states, which is why we have all these remote SLAPP cases... But given that 11 of the 12 bullet points turned out to be either extreme exaggerations or outright lies, the termination notice would be defamation ANYWHERE. It's clearly specifically designed to make sure she can never work in the industry again, as was Selen, and in most civilized places, that's illegal.

[Anonymous No.]

>Exactly, you get it now. She has no case against Nijisanji but Nijisanji could have multiple on her

i was since the beggining only saying a court case in USA, since i never referenced a case in japan maybe that made you think that i didnt know about the other option i guess. they are 50/50 she wins in USA niji wins in japan.

>Anon. It was an example which would be clearly illegal in most countries to show how people could abuse the legal system if that was actually the case. You'd still get sued to shit and back for breaking a contract that hard no matter what country you hide in

Anon, she was getting paid legally by nijisanji, ieverything that she got paid by niji is 100% legal and people that get scammed online from people on another country and that are protected by politicians in those countries is normal ocurrence, you already know what type of scams are, there is nobody that never got a scammer call in their life to my knowledge and they make millions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816662

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817130
Are you stupid?

Governments can and do bar foreign companies from operating inside their countries all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817233
If a company violated local labor laws, that's now no longer between an individual and the company. That's when the state institutions get involved and they absolutely do have the resources to go after foreign companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70820744
Yeah? Where's ANYCOLOR's canada office?
They stream from their homes on youtube, anon. They can't bar shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70820841
>Hi it's your bank here, we noticed you are being paid by a company that is actually blocked from doing business in Canada and by law we aren't able to process this transaction which also happens to be your pay

Wow that was hard. And that's just one avenue.

[Anonymous No.]

how big is this contract? why are people acting like having 1 hour to read and sign it is some sort of hurdle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761620
Le basé

[Anonymous No.]

>>70820969
Unless you're a lawyer, you should always be having a lawyer look over contracts that you sign

[Anonymous No.]

>>70778893
So is she mega blacklisted by Niji now or what? The song plus her statement on it plus her hearting that one comment must guarantee it, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70804482
>Yeah, it's something lawyers charge for because retards are willing to pay for it.
hahaha holy shit this retard is in favor of representing herself in court

[Anonymous No.]

>>70820969
Because making educated decisions takes time? And being asked to sign something you've never seen "in 1 hour" will likely be considered as "under duress" by court.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70781131
i need you to understand that japanese people don't speak english

[Anonymous No.]

>>70780530
She tried to warn us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817181
>In all matters regarding the contract, it literally does
Duck no they dont, they do not supercede case law, written law or even in most cases the traditions of the venue, which do also matter in some countries in regards to court decisions.
t former paralegal
A state's laws (a western state, mind) always supercede any contract, be they an employment contract, a lease agreement, etc. Some countries even rule a contract void if one party is set to maliciously gain far more than or at the cost of the other party - in those countries Nijisanji's contract would be ruled void wholesale.
The actual point of contention is actually going to court and waging a legal battle and what you even stand to gain from it as an individual.

[Anonymous No.]

sayu should've gone kanye mode and just posted the entire signed contract to twitter, there's nothing they can do about it anyways since it's invalid

[Anonymous No.]

>>70818194
Which is exactly why Sayu should've just went scorched earth on all members and management Anycolor has no legal threat suing her, so why not go all in and irrevocably fuck them over full force
what are they going to do? sue her for breaking a contract that wouldn't hold up anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70822464
Probably not because then it shows other companies that if she can do a shitty thing, she will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70817181
>In all matters regarding the contract, it literally does.
Lmao

So if a contract says my job is Cocaine Dealer, therefore I am legally allowed to sell cocaine?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70800734
I'm sure NijiEN has since amended all the talent's contracts with the silencing contract or words to that effect. Sayu may know it's unenforceable where she lives, but Doki maybe less certain.

If they get together they would more or less be mandated to talk about "it" and Doki maybe afraid that if things get heated she may let something slip.

She could raid her though. Sayu didn't have Youtube raids enabled until yesterday, when LM raided her, so there's still hope that it could happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70820260
The grim part there is that a JP court is unlikely to (even be able to) intervene on her behalf in a defamation case. It would also be a very expensive and difficult case for Sayu and a win wouldn't compensate the costs.
>That's illegal
Which is remarkably irrelevant until a court actually declares a verdict and there are tangible consequences. Jaywalking is illegal, you won't get in trouble for jaywalking 99.9% of the time anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70823256
>So if a contract says my job is Cocaine Dealer, therefore I am legally allowed to sell cocaine?
>sea sister in jail after literally thining this
>????????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>70820948
>A Canadian court will tell a random bank or actually all banks that operate in Canada they can't process payments from a specific JP company.
Lol. Are you actually real nigger? What the fuck is this fantasy you're pushing?
>>70820744
It's funny that you comment on intelligence and then show you're completely oblivious to the fact that AnyColour doesn't actually operate in Canada at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70823277
>they would more or less be mandated to talk about "it"
It's not even wasting hypothetical legal ammo for nothing.
Did you get the memo that Doki is trying to distance herself from all the drama surrounding Niji?
So either Sayu can assure she doesn't bite the bait, or such collab is impossible in foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70823712
>. Are you actually real nigger?
Yes? How do you think governments enforce laws?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70823712
>It's funny that you comment on intelligence and then show you're completely oblivious to the fact that AnyColour doesn't actually operate in Canada at all.
Do you have this idea that foreign companies can just do whatever they want in foreign countries with absolutely no consequences when they don't follow laws?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70807504
Those are two entirely different personalities.

Zaion is cool and all, but can be quite abrasive. Doki seems unlikely to deal with that well, only interacting regularly with total buttercups like Pomu. But yes, I'm fairly certain they never had the chance to interact during the brief stint Sayu was at the company, making herself a threat almost immediately by speaking Japanese to upper management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70823798
No anon, how do YOU think they enforce laws? They can't just make shit up on the fly that affects businesses that have nothing to do with the suit, they're not going to send a letter to every bank in Canada that says "oy you can't do business with AnyColour anymore bye". Putting an injunction on banks that prohibits them from operating with other countries/businesses isn't a matter of the courts, it would require actual sanctions and no Canadian politician is going to stir shit with Japan by starting that kind of shit, especially not over something as minor as this. Such sanctions would also be utterly trivial to avoid, as AnyColour could simply pass further contracts/payments through a shell company. Furthermore this would greatly harm other people under AnyColours employ which no court is going to touch.

TL;DR: You're fucking stupid and don't know the first thing about anything remotely related to law. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70823860
>In
Again. They don't operate IN Canada you muppet. That's the whole fucking issue here. Get that through your thick skull. Canada can't do SHIT because they don't operate IN Canada.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760210
>legal document signing any% speedrun

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824047
>They can't just make shit up on the fly that affects businesses that have nothing to do with the suit
But they're not? They're directing the ruling at AnyColor. No other business are impacted.
>, they're not going to send a letter to every bank in Canada that says "oy you can't do business with AnyColour anymore bye"
They can and do. Why do you think they can't do this? Everything is automated. Just all transactions that match AnyColor's business identification will get flagged and then investigated.
>Putting an injunction on banks that prohibits them from operating with other countries/businesses isn't a matter of the courts, it would require actual sanctions and no Canadian politician
No it wouldn't. It's not a country. It's a singular company. The court is fully within their power to bar companies from operating within the border of the jurisdiction they preside over. That is why they exist. They are empowered to enforce laws.
>uch sanctions would also be utterly trivial to avoid
Good thing it's not a sanction then
> as AnyColour could simply pass further contracts/payments through a shell company.
And? Shell companies and subsidiaries get found out. Every single law can be bypassed if you're determined enough. Doesn't mean that enforcing them is uselsss.
>Furthermore this would greatly harm other people under AnyColours employ which no court is going to touch.
If AnyColor is harming Canadian citizens by breaching labor laws, the courts are going to say "oh but they mightn't have a job after this, so we'll just allow this company and therefore all companies to respect our labor laws".
No. If anything the courts and labor board would be salivating to make an example of them to keep other companies in line. Setting the precedent as "as long as your employing Canadians, do whatever you want" is the dumbest thing a court could do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824047
hmm?
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/s-14.5/page-1.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824107
The Canadian government can:
- Issue fines
- Bar them from doing business
- If they did something extremely illegal, Canada can request extradition of Japanese executives

Simply because a company isn't registered in a country, doesn't mean that a government can't touch them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70809070
>never said anything about still releasing the list
She says, and I quote:
>the company is saying they will list out your chosen facts, which are still defamation to me
>...
>this document prevents me from explaining the context which those chosen facts occurred
She was going to get slandered WHETHER SHE SIGNED OR NOT. All that signing was going to do was make it so she couldn't fight back (were it enforceable.)

>The benefits to the contract were her not being fired
No, she was already terminated. The only thing they were debating was what the termination notice would say, to which NijiEN was not willing to promise anything, stating they would list the "chosen facts" which she considered (rightly) to be slander, silencing contract or no silencing contract.

Bitch would be in the same boat if she had signed it, only unable to tell her side of the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824344
>But they're not? They're directing the ruling at AnyColor. No other business are impacted.
So how would banks be affected then? You're talking in circles over a contradiction. You can't say "AnyColour can't do banking in Canada" and that's the end of it. First of all that wouldn't even affect international banking, second of all that's not even how fucking banking works you muppet.
>They can and do. Why do you think they can't do this?
They don't have the fucking authority to do that you clown. Courts don't MAKE laws, and there exists no law that lets them do this.
>Just all transactions that match AnyColour's business identification will get flagged and then investigated.
LMAO, and then what? Flagged for what? Their employees not getting paid? So they're going to block AnyColour from paying their employees from then on and that's supposed to be this great punishment? "Sorry we had to keep all your earnings, Canada literally doesn't let us pay you :^)" Nigger get the fuck out of here with these completely insane ramblings.
>The court is fully within their power to bar companies from operating within the border of the jurisdiction they preside over.
They. Don't. Operate. IN. Canada. You. Complete. Retard. Get. This. Into. Your. Head. Already.
>And? Shell companies and subsidiaries get found out. Every single law can be bypassed if you're determined enough. Doesn't mean that enforcing them is uselsss.
And then what? You're still not actually describing any meaningful consequences, and that's already going into entirely impossible hypotheticals.
>If AnyColor is harming Canadian citizens by breaching labor laws, the courts are going to say "oh but they mightn't have a job after this, so we'll just allow this company and therefore all companies to respect our labor laws".
Actually that's exactly what a court would do. If a ruling would cause more damage than it prevents that ruling would generally be avoided. Again you've just shown you don't know even the most basic principles of law, why the fuck are you so insistent on your opinions when they're based on pure fantasy? Surely you KNOW this to be true, you cannot genuinely believe you understand these matters when there is absolutely nothing in reality that matches your inane claims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824357
Lmao, once facts and sources drop. Sisters have nothing to retaliate with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70813332
>>70814212
What happened is they INITIALLY gave her three hours to read over a JAPANESE contract. She requested an EN version of the contract so her lawyer could read it.

Two hours later they gave her the EN contract, giving her one hour to find her lawyer (at 11PM PST) and sign it.

She asked around and when the deadline passed, they gave her another three hours, during which time she finally reached her lawyer in the wee hours of the night and he rightly said not to sign the piece of shit that would do NOTHING for her save to serve to shut her up. They were refusing to take out the 12 bullet points, whether she signed or not.

Three DAYS is the MINIMUM deadline to put on a contract in California. This was clearly duress designed to make sure she couldn't consult with her lawyer, as they knew no lawyer worth his salt would let her sign it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824397
>Issue fines
Sure. Can't make them pay those fines but they can say they should pay them, and then they get ignored.
>Bar them from doing business.
Oh no, I guess AnyColour would have to close their offices in Canada, once they establish those offices first I suppose?
>If they did something extremely illegal, Canada can request extradition of Japanese executives
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one faggot. Unless Riku flew over to bludgeon Selen to death they'd still need to prove that substantially before any extradition would happen, as fun as all that sounds that's not even remotely relevant here.

More importantly though Japan and Canada do not have an extradition treaty, so that isn't even happening at all either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824987
took like 2 seconds of googling too.
I'm not even a leaf!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70811916
>rape joke
Reminder, the rape joke in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-cPuSMJXs..

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824357
>Purpose Marginal note:Purpose of Act 3.1 The purpose of this Act is to enable the Government of Canada to....
So not a court then. Jesus fuck anon did you even read the document you linked? How fucking stupid are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824987
You should probably actually read what that says before saying stupid shit anon, what a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815258
>All matters regarding the contract are governed by Japanese law
She's a California employee, their labor laws apply regardless of what the contract says. Illegal contracts are not honored simply because they were written up outside the country.

And I doubt even Japanese law allows you to force someone to sign under duress like that.

And she would have been an IDIOT to sign. She STILL would have been fired. STILL would have been slandered. The only thing it would have done was prevent her from talking about it and let all the lies against her stand unchallenged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70824974
>So how would banks be affected then?
Banks wouldn't? I don't know where you think I said this.
>You can't say "AnyColour can't do banking in Canada" and that's the end of it
That's not what I said. Blocking bank transactions is what part of being banned from doing business in a country.
>First of all that wouldn't even affect international banking,
Don't know why you're bringing up international banking since we're discussing domestically held Canadian bank accounts.
> Courts don't MAKE laws, and there exists no law that lets them do this.
I never said courts makes laws. Also yes they do, >>70824357
>LMAO, and then what? Flagged for what?
Flagged because their business identification matches up with a database of companies that are banned from doing business in Canada.
>Their employees not getting paid?
No because they're banned from doing business in Canada.
>So they're going to block AnyColour from paying their employees from then on and that's supposed to be this great punishment?
Yes. I don't know why you think the government would allow a foreign company which has been banned from doing business in that government's country would be allowed to continue doing business in that country simply because they have employees.
>"Sorry we had to keep all your earnings, Canada literally doesn't let us pay you :^)"
Yes. And?
>They. Don't. Operate. IN. Canada. You. Complete. Retard. Get. This. Into. Your. Head. Already.
Operating in is different from being registered in. You don't seem to understand that definition.
>And then what? You're still not actually describing any meaningful consequences, and that's already going into entirely impossible hypotheticals.
The consequences would be further fines and further court cases. If AnyColor continues the Canadian government can actually proceed with criminal action since they have violated a court order.
>Actually that's exactly what a court would do
A court will not allow an exploitative company to continue to operate.
>If a ruling would cause more damage than it prevents that ruling would generally be avoided
That's not how law enforcement works because you would be setting a legal precedent which does not follow legislation which is something courts are very hesitant to do.

>when there is absolutely nothing in reality that matches your inane claims.
So how do you think things like sanctions work in the real world? Surely they would be unenforceable and impossible to enact since it would be too complex and would actively harm everybody involved, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70807266
I honestly think there's extremely few ways to make a contract that looks worse than Niji's utter madness without just going with the good old "we literally own your soul in perpetuity" argument.
I mean, for the record, I've worked for a union. I've had to revise illegal contracts. I've seen that shit get thrown out of court for violating the law.
I'VE LITERALLY NEVER SEEN SOMETHING OF THIS CALIBER. And I mean I've seen so many cases where the lawyers were practically laughing their ass with the judge while pointing at it and going "come on I don't need to explain why this shit's illegal" and that wasn't even a FRACTION the ineptitude of this worthless piece of paper. How the fuck did Niji's legal team read this and not get any red flags?! DO THEY EVEN HAVE A LEGAL TEAM?! DO THEY PAY THEM MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825104
>Can't make them pay those fines but they can say they should pay them, and then they get ignored.
Absolutely. Then if AnyColor continues, they can actually be criminally prosecuted.
>Oh no, I guess AnyColour would have to close their offices in Canada, once they establish those offices first I suppose?
Or y'know, stops them from using any institution inside Canada which effectively makes them unable to do anything. Why do you think foreign companies can just whatever they want as long as they aren't registered in a country?
>More importantly though Japan and Canada do not have an extradition treaty, so that isn't even happening at all either.
Extradition treaties are not necessary for extraditions to happen, they just standardise the process.

If a Japanese company is flagrantly and regularly violating Canadian labor law to the point it becomes criminal by ignoring court orders, the Canadian government can request the Japanese government to seize AnyColor assets to pay the fines the courts issued or they can request the extradition of executives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825263
How stupid are you? it enables the state of canada to enforce certain punitive measures against foreign entities. If a court were to find those entities guilty, those punitive measures would come into play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762816
Industry tax. Basically you play by our rules, or enjoy trying to become famous on your own with thousands if not tens of thousands competing with you.
People will gladly sign away their rights for fame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825263
Do you think the court is not part of the government or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825394
my (wo)mans cant even quote the right comment anymore.
SAD!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815603
I doubt we ever would have found out. They would have skin walked her twitter drip for months and just let her slowly fade away.

Had they let her graduate quietly, she said she was fully prepared to let them sweep the attempt under the rug. So if that had happened, or likely if they had even made a reasonably polite termination notice, we likely never would have heard about the attempt either.

>>70815885
Niji could just deny the rando twitter user screaming that his daughter was killed by the company wasn't actually her father, and/or pay him off. (Which, from some of the rumors, might have actually worked. Selen does not have the best family life.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825478
>How the fuck did Niji's legal team read this and not get any red flags?!
I mean.. they are hiring teenagers for minimum wage. So I will just assume that their legal team has similar experience and wages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825602
How didn't I quote the right person? Are you dumb? I quoted >>70824974 and that is the comment I'm replying to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825394
>Retard linking a document that says the opposite of what he claims
Oh boy. Don't even need to bother with the rest of your inane babble. Jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825675
Courts are empowered to act against foreign entities. I don't know why you think that doesn't support my claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825670
Second quote, you silly billy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815885
Doubt her family has that much access/clout online to get any kind of exposure on what happened. Then you have who left? People who know her? Who didn't even have a way to contact her privately? What else? An owl under a certain company spilling the beans on a friends suicide? Yea not likely.
It would 100% get buried and milked for clout. Also its not like people would know why the attempt if the person did not make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825745
I quoted the legislation which is exactly what I meant to quote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70815613
Not at the time, obviously, or they wouldn't have tried to make her sign it. Given that they can amend the contract at any time, however, and the amendments are automatically agreed to (>>70790674), it might be part of all of their contracts now though. (Which would explain a lot.)

[Anonymous No.]

This thread reminds me of that mel one where some autist kept saying that an NDA isn't a contract because it has agreement in the name

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825769
Mhm. Replies to one post while quoting another, which by itself is a reply to the first post - but it was totally intended.
Buddy old pal, you need to take a quick breather.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825857
So me quoting a post in the part of my reply that dealt with the laws surrounding whether or not the courts have power where I used a comma
> Also yes they do, >>70824357
instead of a full stop like all my other sentences, was just a mistake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825764
You know, if she HAD succeeded, then her parents would have a massive case on their hands and would be liable to massive compensation for emotional duress. The state would also most likely actually start looking into the company at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825534
>Absolutely. Then if AnyColor continues, they can actually be criminally prosecuted.
And AnyColour will simply ignore that too. Again, how are you suggesting a Canadian court extract fines from a Japanese company? They have no jurisdiction, no authority and no leverage.
>Or y'know, stops them from using any institution inside Canada which effectively makes them unable to do anything. Why do you think foreign companies can just whatever they want as long as they aren't registered in a country?
What institutions in Canada do you think they are using or would need to use? Again and again and again THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANDA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA.
>Extradition treaties are not necessary for extraditions to happen, they just standardise the process.
And do you have any idea how difficult it is to arrange an extradition even WITH a treaty? You mean to tell me Canada is going to convince Japan to extradite one of their citizens because Canada said one of their laws was somehow broken. Canadian court has no standing over Japanese citizens especially not in civil affairs even if they want to make that shit criminal through bullshit 'fines' that wouldn't ever happen in the first place.
>If a Japanese company is flagrantly and regularly violating Canadian labor law to the point it becomes criminal by ignoring court orders, the Canadian government can request the Japanese government to seize AnyColor assets to pay the fines the courts issued or they can request the extradition of executives.
Please anon I can't take this, it's too much. What the fuck is this absurd fantasy you're concocting here?
>Canadian court takes up the case
They have plenty of better things to do with their time, I assure you. But let's go full retard and assume a Canadian prosecutor looks at this case and somehow decides it's worth his time.
>Canadian court wants to start discovery
Nijisanji doesn't respond, why would they?
>Canadian court has no real case
The end. For a Canadian court to do anything here there would have to be an actual AnyColour office in Canada. Until that's the case there is no case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825989
Ooooh, disregard me, I'm stupid. I followed the chain incorrectly! Cheerio!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825555
Nigger what the fuck are you actually saying? If the moon shits a rainbow then yiddish yabadoo? Stop talking mad gibberish you nonce.
>it enables the state of canada to enforce certain punitive measures against foreign entities.
Which would first have to be codified in law, which is where the separation of powers comes in. All you did was point to a document saying "The government can make policy on these things" and are now pretending that means courts can somehow make laws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70826017
>BROOO just destroy your international reputation irreparably and make sure that all people of all nations know that you are not to be trusted and that they should never engage in business relations with you!
This is tantamount to what your argument sums up to. Are you actually a Niji anti? Do you want to sink their business? Because that shit would actually immediately crater their stock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70825598
Do you know how separation of powers works? They're part of the government, sure, they're also not the part of the government that handles these issues. Retards here pretending this document says courts can do executive shit, fuck me man /vt/ is being especially retarded today.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine someone saying you having one hour to sign a contract and you do it.
that's what watching too many law tv shows does to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>70826171
>Stop talking mad gibberish you nonce
Vox? Vox is that you? A brit arguing in favor for Niji who is also too stupid to understand legislation? Milord have you decided to grace us with your presence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70816882
>They panicked so fucking much when Selen's lawyer sent them her document that they reported themselves trying to get ahead of the story.
Given that they still decided attacking a popular suicide vic again was a good idea a week later, I don't think it was simple panic. That was malice.

If they had walked it back and made something more akin to Riku's apology that'd be another thing, but, even after seeing the initial reaction, they basically did it all over again, saying "No, she deserved it", while bullying her off the air. Entirely premeditated the second time around, if not the first, and entirely malicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70776375
>Nijisanji:" You're being fired. Sign this and we'll say that you quit instead. You have an hour"
>Anon is building his whole seethepost on this premise, as if it's reasonable

[Anonymous No.]

>>70826017
>And AnyColour will simply ignore that too. Again, how are you suggesting a Canadian court extract fines from a Japanese company? They have no jurisdiction, no authority and no leverage.
Requesting the Japanese government to enforce the fines by seizing assets or extraditing the executives. Whether or not the Japanese government complies is up to them whether or not they think a vtuber company is worth upsetting the entire nation of Canada.
>What institutions in Canada do you think they are using or would need to use?
Banks, lawyers, insurances, mail services, etc.
>THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANDA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA.
You keep harping on about this as if it matters.
>And do you have any idea how difficult it is to arrange an extradition even WITH a treaty?
So your argument is 'because it's hard, therefore Canada just won't do anything when foreign companies break laws'?
>You mean to tell me Canada is going to convince Japan to extradite one of their citizens because Canada said one of their laws was somehow broken.
Repeated violations of labor laws with potentially millions of dollars in fines? Yes.
>Please anon I can't take this, it's too much. What the fuck is this absurd fantasy you're concocting here?
No argument?
>They have plenty of better things to do with their time, I assure you.
Not an argument.
>Nijisanji doesn't respond, why would they?
And then they get prosecuted anyway. Simply because you don't want a court case to happen doesn't mean it won't happen.
>For a Canadian court to do anything here there would have to be an actual AnyColour office in Canada.
Why? If a Canadian court thinks AnyColor has violated the law to the point it is criminal, then the Canadian government will request the Japanese government to assist them. The Japanese government can decide to not cooperate but they would be a massive blunder diplomatically since they would be telling Canada and therefore the world, that Japan is no better then China when it comes to respecting the laws of the countries their companies work in. Canada certainly wouldn't cooperate with Japan any longer (Canada produces a ton of oil which Japan imports for an example) and other nations like America would be more weary. It's not worth it to protect one black company and a handful of vtubers.

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>>70826219
>Do you know how separation of powers works?
d... do you? Do you understand the roles, powers and duties the legislative, executive and the judicary arms of a state have?

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>>70826219
And? The legislation doesn't specific which power it applies to, simply that it applies to the government and therefore it applies to all arms of the government.
>they're also not the part of the government that handles these issues
The courts don't enforce laws? News to me.
>Retards here pretending this document says courts can do executive shit
You think legislation around fining companies which do bad things doesn't exist in Canada already?

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>>70826017
>THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA
they do though, they have practically no assets in Canada (other than the people who're living there and mistakenly think they're employed)
But they definitely operate in Canada as a part of their product (Media content) get's consumed and produced from Canada by Canadian citizens. I don't know why you keep disputing this as it's almost the same as the japanese yahoo, which is blocked in europe because they're not compliant with the european privacy laws

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>>70826246
cmon, I was joking...

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>>70826200
>Canadian court sperging would somehow affect AnyColour's reputation
K. But we also already went over why that wouldn't even ever happen in the first place, so what are you on about? And again, this would never get to a verdict of any real meaning because the Canadian courts have no real standing here. The best they can offer is intervene if AnyColour tries to sue one of their citizens, and that also isn't happening.

I really don't think you understand how their business works. Streamers will join their brand regardless of the reputation of their business so long as it gives them the chance of a breakthrough because the alternative for most 2views is spending years hoping for a lucky break. As grim as this contract nonsense is it's still better than what they'd normally have to deal with, so they're not going to give a shit.
>B-but what about their reputation being bad damaging their brand!?
JP doesn't give a shit, and that's most of their brand. Their termination notice of Selen and that utterly despicable black stream did more damage than any Canadian court sperging ever could, which again wouldn't really ever happen in the first place.

All you're doing is pushing the insane narrative of "if you break the law you will absolutely 100% no doubt get punished" when that's not even true for a ton of Canadian businesses operating in Canada, and you think they'd go after a JP business? Grow the fuck up anon, life isn't so nice.

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>>70826417
>And? The legislation doesn't specific which power it applies to, simply that it applies to the government and therefore it applies to all arms of the government.
Tell me you don't know the first thing about reading legal documents without telling me you don't know the first thing about reading legal documents. Wow, that's actually so fucking stupid I need a coffee.

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>Canada can't stop AnyColor from doing business

>Canadians ISPs just block the IP addresses of anyone streaming from any Niji YouTube account

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>>70816914
>I said she could speak Japanese because obviously she was given a contract in Japanese
Which she likely can't read either.

She's ethnically Japanese, but her parents do not speak Japanese. She is self taught, so it's doubtful she's fluent enough to read a legal contract.

But no, citizen's labor rights don't just vanish because you signed a foreign contract that claims its under foreign jurisdiction. Labor disputes are always subject to local labor law. They never registered with the California commission, so the contract isn't enforceable at all (not that it wouldn't have been thrown out during processing if they had tried).

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>>70826568
Educate me then. If a legislative document just says "the government" what branch of the government is it applying to?

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Anyways, does Niji have yuropoor employees? Because most europoor countries have more stringent and particular laws as well as employee protections. Even super capitalist states like the land of mountain jews have shit like
>if this contract exploits one party it is void
as part of their most basic and extremely blunt legislative measures in regards to contracts.
The EU is also known to just strong arm and or just ban usinesses and so that dont play ball with their laws and demands.
Is there a potential powder keg here?

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>>70826453
>mistakenly think they're employed
Has a Canadian attorney chimed in on the contract template yet? Because I suspect Canada would consider them employees, regardless of Anycolor's claims. It's way too strict for a mere contractor.

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>>70826246
>In favour of Niji
I haven't really said a single thing in favour of Niji anon. You're just interpreting what I'm saying as such because I'm calling out retarded nonsense that's supposedly going to do the legal version of 'owning the libs' to Niji. It's daft nonsense and it's only going to distract people from legitimate grievances like the three clowns and their black stream and the retarded termination notice. Literally just going to look like a reverse 'boy who cried wolf' at this rate.

A bunch of legally illiterate idiots trying to make inferences on one of the most complicated areas of law, where the first thing you ever get told about it is TALK TO A LAWYER, and you're genuinely sitting here going "well I'm very smart and know what it all means all by myself, I know how it applies to who and how the consequences look and how it would work!"

Look. Give yourself a basic primer on how Canadian courts are going to look at any dispute between their citizens and AnyColor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaduN2xjuwg&t=6s

>>70826494
Gotta admit that's actually pretty funny. Almost wish I did live in the same country as him because that fuck deserves to get knocked around for that piece of shit stream.

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>>70826521
Yes, yes it would affect them.
Imagine this scenario:
>Canada (The fucking COUNTRY) sues AnyColor for repeated and grievous infringments on workers rights, borderline criminal business practices et all
>AnyColor simply pulls out of the country, signalising to investors and potential partners that not only there is an implicit aknowledgment of the allegations, but that they're not confident in fighting them
>queue immediate "oh shit are these people liable to try and scam me? is there a potential massive lawsuit brewing in their home country? are they cooking the books?" etc reactions from all investors, current and future as well as other business partners

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>>70826621
The responsibilities of government are defined by the separation of powers anon. An article like that cannot supersede that and suddenly give executive power to the legislative branch just because it didn't specify. Why would it even need to specify? The separation of powers itself already establishes this you dumb fuck.

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>>70816962
The commissioner can persona non your company, in which case state (and potentially national) banks will not honor your transactions (it happens). Sayu wouldn't need to spend money to submit a complaint to the California commissioner's office either, the state would foot the legal - but still probably more effort than its worth given that the company doesn't do much business in California, and raising it to a national level would require money, or at least the commissioner's office getting really angry about it.

Not as familiar with how it works in Canada for Doki, but as I understand it some forms of complaints do go through the government, and thus are covered - but I think the most they can hope to get there is like $20K and even that would be difficult to extract.

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>>70826658
It is a full employment contract in pretty much every sense. However, according to the grift lawyer in California and from my personal experience in the Netherlands this contract would not be seen as valid.
Not much different than showing up at a mcdonalds and just working in the kitchen without being formally employed.
In that sense there is not much stopping talent from just shilling their old channels and just adding anycolor's legal team to an email spam filter. The contract seems entirely meaningless in EU (and it wouldn't surprise me if it's void in Canada)

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>>70826860
wait do you think that courts are part of the legislative?

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>>70826860
Good thing the act itself said nothing about empowering the courts with legislative power then and just about empowering the government (which would include the courts) to act against foreign entities.

What crack are you smoking?

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>>70817181
It matters if they want to *enforce* the contract, that requires the cooperation of local law. It's entirely unenforceable in California.

They can *claim* she broke the NDA, black list, and produce pretty much whatever slander they want, however. She could go to Japan and sue for slander, but they'd just outspend her.

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>>70826870
The contract exists for one and only one purpose. To protect AnyColour against Japanese courts (for example in termination disputes) It is never going to be used against their own employees, the consequence for them breaching contract isn't going to be AnyColour suing them, it's going to be AnyColour withholding payment and terminating them. Other countries laws will never be invoked, and will never be remotely relevant here.

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>>70825182
>made Hex uncomfortable
based + sieg Zaion

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>>70818228
If Anycolor comes out and complains that the clip was somehow taken out of context, maybe you'd have something, but I highly doubt that's the case and "it's all fake" is just huffing a lot of copium at this point.

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>>70818228
>>70823712
>>70825104
You can always tell when it's a sister because they desperately try to emulate '4chan style' of speech just by swearing a lot, saying nigger or faggot and just being generally aggressive in long rambling ways. It feels so unnatural and obvious.

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>>70826832
>Canada (The fucking COUNTRY) sues AnyColor for repeated and grievous infringments on workers rights, borderline criminal business practices et all
Based on what? They cannot do discovery, there wouldn't be much of a case beyond saying 'oy, these clauses aren't valid in Canadian court' and that'd be the end of it.
>AnyColor simply pulls out of the country,
They're not in the country. At worst they would just terminate all their Canadian employees and that'd sooner just get people pissed off at Canadian courts overreaching and getting Canadian workers fired. What's the benefit being generated here?
>signalising to investors and potential partners that not only there is an implicit aknowledgment of the allegations, but that they're not confident in fighting them
Lol. Bizarro earth where we're now guilty for not showing up at a court that has no standing? Good one. Again, this would just look like Canadian courts overreaching, they'd be savaged for this because they're already doing remarkably little about infractions by actual Canadian companies. It's a nice fantasy where there's a cop on every street waiting to give anyone who jaywalks a ticket, but in reality people will just cross the street anyway because that just doesn't fucking happen.

>oh shit are these people liable to try and scam me?
Anon. This is no secret. This isn't some black box contract where the people who sign it don't know what's in it. The sad fact is that it's worth it. The alternative is years of streaming to 10 people and hoping the Youtube algorithm picks up one of your videos and you take off. People know they're getting robbed but that's worth them getting an actual foot in the door and growing their own fame.

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>>70827179
Did you respond to the wrong post? That was literally asserting the screen captures were legit.

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>>70827283
>that'd sooner just get people pissed off at Canadian courts overreaching and getting Canadian workers fired
Given their contracts would've been illegal, AnyColor can't even legally fire them

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>>70819515
Riku apologized, so unlike the NDF and those in the black box stream, he isn't defending NijiEN management. In this situation, no sane person would, lest maybe they were being paid.

Granted, some of the NDF is company born:
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/nyuy18t5t9
But I suspect in the end Riku has very little idea as to the specifics of what they are doing.

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>>70827280
>don't act like you're from 4chan? Sister
>act like you're from 4chan? Sister
>I don't like what you say? Definitely a sister no matter what
K.

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>>70827376
You can also tell they're a sister when they complain about being called a sister

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>>70826903
No, that's me using the wrong term. Meant to say judicial, which I assume was at least clear from context.

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>>70827404
Ah, true, I forgot about that. We're basically operating on 'you mad bro' rules I guess.

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>>70827463
They also can't stop replying

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>>70815395
>run game in background
>use as cover to bitch

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>>70827008
I agree with you!
That's also why an EU or a Cali talent should just judas the entire branch, Anycolor has no counter

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>>70827334
Which would be worse for them, as they would have even less legal recourse if there were any issues during their time at AnyColour, and they'd have no real way to receive any outstanding payment. There's no way a court would pass a judgement that would harm the plaintiff and anyone in the same class as that plaintiff for... really no real reason? Like what's genuinely the benefit to anyone in such a verdict? People lose their jobs and presumably a chunk of their earnings and AnyColour holds some more auditions with a slightly reworded document.

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>>70827479
It's because I'm mad, after all.

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>>70825104
>Oh no, I guess AnyColour would have to close their offices in Canada, once they establish those offices first I suppose?
They wouldn't be able to *pay* their employees in Canada, would be the issue (assuming they have similar mechanisms that they have in the US). Granted the contract allows them to force employees to relocate at anytime without notice, so they could just force them to move to Japan.

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>>70827572
Their 'counter' is to just terminate your contract and do what they did to Zaion (though due to recent developments that'd probably backfire, but that was still the principle on which this contract was based) and withhold whatever payment they owe you from your time working there (remember, they own all the accounts, all the money talents make goes through them first).

It's also harmful to have a public shitflinging match with your ex-employer, at least if you ever want to get hired in the industry. Even if you're right these companies have plenty of options beside people causing drama. At best you'd be causing MAD, and it's not too likely to affect the JP side of the business too much. (again, might be slightly different due to recent developments, but these contracts weren't based on recent developments)

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>>70827707
Basically. If they can't pay people in Canada anymore they'd just pocket the money themselves and hire new talent elsewhere. Wouldn't really even be something a court could do, they can't exactly ban Canadian citizens from being paid by a foreign company, or it would at least be very difficult and certainly be seen as overreaching by the courts.

Even in the absolute most fantastical wish-fulfilment fantasy dreamworld, AnyColour would just close the EN branch and dozens of streamers would be worse off for it (yes, their contracts suck, but going back to being a 2view sucks more)

There's a reason why businesses operate like this, and it's not because they're stupid. It's because they're morally bankrupt and it works.

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>>70826860
This is not how "separation of powers" works in the state. The executive executes the orders of the judicial and legislative, that's why the courts and congress have teeth and people are afraid of senators and judges. The executive can, in some instances, refuse to act, but I doubt they'd refuse to in this routine and blatant case of foreign abuse and fraud.

Granted, still probably not worth Sayu's time, even if the California commissioner's office would handle the legal, so it'd be free. NijiEN could dodge the fines for a long time, and likely easily absorb them in the end. Worst case scenario they would be unable to hire anyone in California anymore (and possibly all the states, but that's less likely).

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>>70825478
I never imagined the contract would be this horrifically bad, and it makes me shudder to think how bad WACTOR/918inc's contracts must be. We know is that they make you *criminally* liable to the tune of 500 million yen if you break them, but who knows what the hell else is in there.

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>>70828138
Issue there is that in the states Judges and Senators need to watch their image, and them getting a bunch of people's contracts terminated for no apparent gain would just be overreaching and I doubt they'd even give this issue the time of day, especially since this regards a foreign company.

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>>70827976
>but going back to being a 2view sucks more
If they're any good at their job, they won't be a 2view for long.

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>>70828251
>I never imagined the contract would be this horrifically bad
That's because it isn't. People are interpreting every line in the worst way possible. Keep in mind you're accusing everyone who signed this to be functionally retarded and I don't think that sentiment holds any water.

Also keep in mind this contract functionally cannot be used to compel the signatory of pretty much ANYTHING and that's not by accident, the actual threat is termination (and slander, I suppose. Disgusting fuckers).

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>>70828331
Wish that was how it works but even the biggest streamers will often let you know they spent years being 2views before getting their lucky break, and there's a ton of extremely talented 2views out there that just never get noticed. Luck simply plays a huge factor, and that's why in pretty much every entertainment industry talents will sign their souls away for a foot in the door, because the alternative is simply too much of a gamble.

Sure, you might get lucky after a week, or a month, or a year, but the majority of (talented or not) streamers never get noticed at all.

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>>70826017
>THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANDA. THEY DO NOT OPERATE IN CANADA.
They hire Canadians, and thus are subject to Canadian labor laws and regulation. Foreign nations don't get to freely abuse citizens of a country simply because they are doing it from abroad.

The fact that they have no physical presence in the country does make them harder to go after, but they can ultimately prevent them from paying their Canadian talents or hiring any more, as well as freeze assets going the other way. They can also hold them criminally liable, in some instances. Canada and Japan do have a regularly used framework for that.

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>>70828507
I'm talking specifically about NijiEN talents leaving. Don't move the goalposts.
Sayu, Doki, Matara, Kuro, and Unnamed all prove that leaving the company as an actually talented content creator is nothing but good for your career, while losers like Kyo's PL, who have no actual skills as a CC and were just in vtubing as a grift, come back to barely scrape 3k VOD views.

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>>70826585
The IP would be Youtube's, not Niji's, and I doubt Canada has a framework for that.

They do have a framework for fining and blocking foreign employers from passing money in either direction through the country, as well as procedures to internationally condemn companies, but the fines are small enough for AnyColor to easily absorb, as Canadian penalties tend to be painfully small, and getting an NAC flag on them is very unlikely (though it would pretty much end all their foreign business, and yes, sink their stock.)

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>>70828681
>I'm talking specifically about NijiEN talents leaving. Don't move the goalposts.
Well Sayu is only just now recovering from being a 2view due to all the drama and I'd argue she's talented. Matara was picked up by vShojo and Kuro was in deep shit until they bailed him out too. Not sure how much capacity for stragglers that company has but they're not going to be picking up the majority of NijiEN victims that's for sure. So far the biggest success has been Dokibird and I will easily attribute that to her own abilities despite the boost she got from Niji self-destructing on her, so it's certainly not like there is no future for the talented streamers outside of Niji. Hell if you ask me the best choice seems to be joining Niji for a year, getting a bump from their brand and drawing some attention to your PL and getting the fuck out.