Lawyer's Analysis of Niji fuckup - Silencing Contract Edition

[Anonymous No.]

HERE IT COMES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8ERaDE8VU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8ERaDE8VU
>The DMs between Zaion and Management regarding the rushed contract were also shown
>Contract is being combed through right now

[Anonymous No.]

oh boy.

[Anonymous No.]

where is "Virtual Livers" in the defined terms? what does it mean, counselor?

[Anonymous No.]

>a $7.40 an hour high school lawyer wrote these Vtuber corpo contracts

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>>70756108
So what does it mean?

[Anonymous No.]

I love Elira Pendora!

[Anonymous No.]

>If you like a tweet that is negative against us, we will fuck you up

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>>70756108
Here is something better for people to understand.

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>>70756451
scarle..

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>>70756451
1 is a bald faced lie

[Anonymous No.]

Too many threads.
Choose one before they all get nuked.

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>>70756533
this one has the subject that's similar to the previous series and will be easier for people to find in the archive.

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>>70756108
Nijisisters are full blown coping about that.
What a bunch of clowns.

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>>70756451
Dont the talents backhandedly shittalk their management?

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>>70756463
>5
So that was a fucking lie.

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>>70756867
doesn't apply to luxiem

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>>70756965
the non-compete just says you can't do it without written authorization from anycolor. we have no way of knowing whom they gave that authorization.

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>>70756965
Unless graduation involves contract alteration.

[Anonymous No.]

>We will go after everything you own if your slander hurts us financially

[Anonymous No.]

>Pomu doesn't follow Doki because it could be seen as defaming Nijisanji

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>>70757157
the english here is much more advanced and idiomatic than the text we saw last night. this is definitely a different author with much better english.

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>>70757164
Believable

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>>70756965
>>70757042
>>70757045
i'm very sure vshojo have actual lawyers that revised this shit and laughed they ass-off with this contract. It can't be enforced, probably not even in JP.

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>>70756108
Literally slaves

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>Article 6
HOLY KEK

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>if you sign this contract, you cant dispute the contract nor sue us
holy shit

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>>70757164
and mouse doesn't follow her because she's pulling better numbers

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>>70757312
Has that kind of shit ever held up in a court?
Not being able to sign your basic rights away is generally protected in every functional country.

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>>70757157
>niji owes dokibird money for making her cancel her neopets stream
lmao

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>>70757395
The lawyer had just said this shit doesn't hold up in (an American) court

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>>70757395
It will hold up in Japan court basically.

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>>70757164
Yo, could this be why Kuro and Matara stopped following Doki? Maybe they were letting her know they support her but they had to cut it out quickly

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>>70756965
Vshojo is not vtuber company

[Anonymous No.]

omg he just cursed in my native language, my heart skipped a beat

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>>70757428
Selen didn't sign this contract, and even then, Article 6 basically nullifies Kurosanji from upholding their end of Article 5, so Doki would get nothing either way.

Basically, both this silencing and the new hire Vtuber contract have a bunch of "we don't got to reimburse you or respect you or help you out" clauses.

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>>70757613
Would make sense considering that Kuro followed Doki.

[Anonymous No.]

VAFFANCULO

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is evil. Truely evil. I hope they are utterly destroyed. This contract is so vile

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>>70757645
>t. Axel's Italian man

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus, this contract is kpop slave levels of fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

kek

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>>70756108
Isn't Juniper Actias a lawyer?
God I would love to see a vtubers take on it. She probably won't go near it though.

[Anonymous No.]

Umm he is telling you guys to watch sayu, go watch her go go go go

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>>70756463
disgusting company

[Anonymous No.]

>unfavorable secrets have been leaked and proven to be true
So the 7th trumpet continues to blow for Yakuzanji.

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I'm not doubting this guy's legal prowess, but damn does he give ambulance chaser vibes

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>>70757630
vshojo has the best PR out of any vtuber company for successfully making people think that its not a vtuber company

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>>70757859
I don't see it. It's not like he's trying to represent anyone

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>>70756965
its because they define vtuber as someone working for nijisanji
she isnt wokring for nijisanji

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>>70757791
>Juniper Actias
She was a paralegal and considered specializing in IP law. She definitely wouldn't want to wade deep into this sort of thing though.

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>>70757859
At the end of the day hes still a laywer its his job to be a schemer

[Anonymous No.]

fucking two threads
>>70754050
>>70754050

[Anonymous No.]

Can kurocolor stop fucking things up at a daily basis?

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>>70757859
>I'm not doubting this guy's legal prowess, but damn does he give ambulance chaser vibes
Canadian Malfoy was a professional but really boring to watch desu.
Law is boring by default so I get why Based Mindset plays with his audience.

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>>70758158
man, i'd have seen that one if it had the word "contract" in it

[Anonymous No.]

>Offkai was waiting on Kurosanji to make the cancelation announcement
>Hand forced by False getting a scoop and posting it on Twitter
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.]

> baubaus in chat
> phase leeches show up
why is this fanbase like this...

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>>70757395
in japanese court, because under japanese law you pretty much have 0 human/worker rights

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>>70758958
Right? Why dont they respect the impeccable reputation of the dramaniggers?
>/vt/ breaks containment
>/vt/ is being invaded
naruhodo

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>>70757428
Even in the pretend world where that's true, a lawsuit needs two things, liablity and damages. We can agree they are liable but they would need to prove she sustained damages. If you look at it from the perspective of "if they never did the black screen" did Doki have monetary damages from not doing that stream? Niji would argue no, she in fact got a lot of support she may not have gotten otherwise. I would agree with them as well, so they would be liable but have caused no damages thus lawsuit would mean nothing.

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>>70756463
>Not signing contract within 14 days = yes
What the hell does this mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>Lawyer is hardly pulling 15 Finanas om his drama stream
Grim.

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>>70759264
there's a clause that says they can change the contract at any time, if you stream that means you accept the changes, if you don't respond within 14 days that means you accept the changes

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>>70756241
It's especially funny since the other contract calls them VTubers.

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>>70759264
consent is just a myth who cares about that lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70758515
desu, i appreciate someone actually interested in vtubers, anime, and anime-adjacent topics. it shows enough in his streams so far. hard to keep up the vibe for hours if he's not really interested i it.

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>>70759264
NTA It was badly worded, it means that you have 14 days to bring any problems with any ammendments to your contract Niji wants to make. Also MORE IMPORTANTLY doing any "vtuber activity" (twitter, stream, posting videos, etc.) means you accept it the amendaments regardless if you have read it or not.

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>>70757685
Manko

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>>70756463
you forgot: streaming? posting on twittter? you agree to the contract revision even if you haven't even read it.

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>>70758958
Take notes faggot, the fanbases that are represented in his chat are the cancer on /our/ hobby

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>False just joined the chat
oh boy

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>>70756965
VShojo has a real legal team, not a circus troupe larping as such.
They read the papers and told Nina: lol lmao, these retards can't do shit lol

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>>70759481
it's written like click-wrap terms of service for a mobile game. it's really insane to see it used as a blanket amendment provision in this kind of contract.

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ENTER

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>>70759407
Not just if you stream, if you do any related business. Also, theoretically, if you're already streaming when they tell you.

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>Artist that had his assmad yesterday on twitter confirms the original contract leak indirectly that Niji 100% controls everything third parties make for them and don't got to pay them
UH OH

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>>70759527
NTA means Not The Author

[Anonymous No.]

>Livers circumvented parts of the JP contract by going to EN
Wait what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760010
nijisanji's death squad

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>>70760010
Other than Salome, the last 20 or so nijis in JP were from their special Virtual Talent Academy
Who are the two full on Japs in EN right now

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>>70756965
non-competes are illegal in the free world, in most jobs it basically means "go starve for <arbitrary time>"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760182
Kotoka and Meloco.

[Anonymous No.]

That Mori clip was just the chef's kiss.

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>>70756463
10. Can't be enforceable anywhere in the West lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70759776
On r*ddit maybe
/here/ it means "not that anon"

[Anonymous No.]

How do we defeat false? He’s gotten too powerful!

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>>70756328

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>>70760618
NTA haha but doesn't this essentially mean the same thing? I get the distinction, but aren't the meanings reasonably close to each other?

[Anonymous No.]

I just got out from work what the hell is going on

[Anonymous No.]

>>70757284
Vshoujo's owner has the ear of Twitch... when some of your Livers rely on Twitch that is the last group you fuck with.

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>>70756328
>paying high schooler when you have an actual law school student liver

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>>70760781
stupid and nigger mean the same thing too.
The reason this all works is because, at least before, you were FORCED to fit in. It makes tourists glow.

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>>70756451
So does tweeting a whole list of every transgression an employee did, when others have done the same without punishment, count as "defaming"?

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>>70760882
It's the end of Nijisanji as we know it (and we feel fine)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70760882
Luca's mommy and Sayu's wannabe lawyer have coordinated their leaks into the nth attempt for niji's life

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>>70756399
Stop posting these evil elira pics, I don't want to like her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761069
Fuck off Millie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761010
not a tourist, just an ESL, hate me for it I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761069
Holy seethe

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>>70761010
Oh, makes sense. I've given up fighting the ocean tide myself at some point I had to care about my brain more, but I get it.

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>>70761010
>stupid and nigger mean the same thing
maybe for racist nigger like you

[Anonymous No.]

I just woke up and only really skimmed shit but what I'm basically getting is
>Niji's contract is basically cartoonishly evil tier
Is that about right?

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>>70761366
Yes!

[Anonymous No.]

>Ghost Data in the chat
OH SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761366
And google translated.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>70761476
UH OH.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761476

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761476
Nijisisters...I don't feel so good..

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>>70761476
music producer they said?

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>>70761616
if i recall they make "unseiso"

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>>70761476
i feel bad for the guy, but it's going to be really straightforward. it was a work for hire, and he really would have had to negotiate different specific terms to have any control over it later. this would be true in the US too.

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>>70761476
https://twitter.com/GHOSTDATA_/status/1765426264720994541

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>>70761718
kek, what a retard.

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>>70756463
This one is way too shortened and missing info.

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>>70761476
This guy's clearly retarded and no company will want to work with him, but sure MORE DRAMA LET'S GO

[Anonymous No.]

Damn. You can't even leave. No wonder no one stood up, since they were held hostage to pay their income back. That's so fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisisters gonna be working overtime for free lol

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>>70761718
>>70761476
Do retards really not read documents before signing them?

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>>70756463
>Not signing contract within 14 days = yes
This could be abuse since one of their contract did stated they can choose or change whatever means of communication between them and the vtuber.

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>>70760882
The Niji contract is worse than everybody thought
And they give you like an hour to read a termination contract

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>>70756463
Number 10 made me double take, what in gods green earth is this shit

[Anonymous No.]

been busy can someone give me a quick rundown? from what i can tell is that they basically can't leave and that nijisanji is even more evil than everyone thought

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>>70761476
Sir a second leaked contract has just hit.

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>>70756503
Is cute!

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>>70762120
All memes aside regarding this dude being an idiot, the issue is that even if you read the contract, there could be something that sounds reasonable and then some shady written fine print 4 pages later basically says "lol I'm not following anything prior to this, and I'm fucking your holes at my leisure." which requires a lawyer to help find for you.

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>>70762120
He only had one hour, please understand.

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>>70756463
>not signing contract within 14 days = yes
So, for a moment, let us assume a talent ends up hospitalized after doing an attempt due to bullying.

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>>70762311
He would actually be a third contract lol

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>>70762180
that summary is missing so much nuance. check the actual document. the part you quoted references article 23. (it's even worse than the summary makes it seem)
>>70753869

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762120
Only one (1) hour

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>>70756108
how does anyone know this is legit? just taking dudes word for it?

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>>70762305
>Get suspended Niji takes 50% of monthly income
>Get terminated Niji takes 100% of that years income
>want to graduate gotta wait 6 months
>by the way this contract is for 2 years
>Oh by the way at any time we can ammendment this contract and the act of you tweeting counts as agreeing to the amendment even if you never read it

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>>70757428
You retards know slander has to actually be false and isn't just statements that hurt your feelings, right?

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>>70762120
The only way I could see this being a legit problem is if someone on the Niji side promised him he'd be allowed to release the instrumental and then the contract contradicted that, i.e. a bait and switch.
While Niji is definitely a shitshow and that's plausible, the guy seems like a gigantic menhera as well as a retard, so he's probably just throwing a tantrum over a totally normal contract.

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>>70762392
>conducting any activity = auto accept
holy shit

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>>70762352
In my field of work we wait for people to go on holidays before sending time-sensitive documents. Works every time 80% of the time.

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>>70762414
He showed the back and forth Zaion and Management DMs for this term contract. He explicitly said Sayu gave him this contract.
The one that he didn't reveal the source to was general Vtuber contract from last night.

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>>70762459
In Japan it does.

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>>70762311

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>>70762459
>>70762558
LM discussed that even if your "slander" is factual, you can still go to jail for it.
Japan has some weird fucked up shit legally for the dumbest shit. Basically the only people that are fair game are dead people.

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>>70762417
thanks. what the actual fuck? the more that comes out the more black this company gets

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>>70762352
He didn't add the more damning part
>streaming or tweeting after receiving the contract = yes

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>>70762120
Probably a bit of surviorship bias going on there. People who read their contracts don't work for Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone give me a tl;dr of this silencing contract

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>>70762777
>Sign this paper and we will give you a graduation but you can't sue us later and we will rape you if you even so much ass like a tweet that makes us look bad

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>>70762777
Nijisanji owns everything, Nijisanji is not responsible for what happens, if you try to back out - not signing the NDA papers they give you, within 14 days, mean you agree with it (even without a signature). It is some demented shit.

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>>70762834
/thread

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>>70762328
how come everyone is shitting on this guy but nijisanji is brack for owning the vtuber image and channel of the girls & guys, why is everyone so hypocritical

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>>70762392
>Notify party B in writing of the details of the amendments.
By writing do they means Email, letter, text?
I'm beginning to think that this tactic has been used before during Selen hospitalized.

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>>70762777
Not a single godamn person that works for AnyColor has ever been to a day of law school.

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>>70762950
it says it's using a method of Party A's choosing. so, email, letter, fax machine, twitter DM. it's up to anycolor.

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>>70762834
>>70762777
don't forget there was no guarantees in place that nijisanji wasn't going to shit on her even if she actually signed it

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>>70762986
i choose carrier pigeon

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>>70762993
>>70762993
that too

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762986
Send a text message to phone or DM during the stream
KEK

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>>70762944
>nijisanji is brack for owning the vtuber image and channel of the girls & guys
That's not why Nijisanji is black lol, learn to read.

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>>70756108
Man, some people really are milking Kurosanji for every drop they can..

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>>70763199
>A whole ass contract
>A drop

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>>70756463
These can't be universal, since there's only a 3 month gap between one of the EN graduations and her subsequent debut under another agency.
Or else she violated that part and doesn't care because I bet these contracts are almost completely unenforceable and AnyColor is banking on people being scared of lawyers.

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>>70763367
90% of the contract isn't enforceable outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

They can't have the same contract for the JP side r-right? This contract was tailor made by those pajeet former organs, there's no way this flies in JP side as well r-r-right?

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>>70762993
Also the silencing clause would reinforce the surviving provisions in the template contract

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>>70763142
i threadread and anons were losing their minds over it, dont try to gaslight me
melissa quit nijisanji over music perms so why are you all shitting on that guy for not reading the contract

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>>70762558
Even in Japan, what they did isn't defamation so Sayu would have no case

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>>70756108
cdwag mentioned well its so over

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>>70761476
only 1 more year of NDA

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>>70763457
Considering how the contract was just machine-translated from the JP one, it's likely.
Also considering how a CONFIRMED contract from Sayu is corroborating the previously-leaked one, it's looking even more likely.
Now consider all the JPs that have been on hiatus.

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>>70763367
That's Niji's contract is just a template. Things can change from person to person.
But the lawyer did said non-compete agreements like this can't be enforce in the west.

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>>70763495
maybe NDF trying to mitigate? I certainly see some of their usual talking points throughout the thread

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>>70763427
Big parts might not be enforceable in Japan either, but getting fired makes you a social outcast, so it doesn't really matter.

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>>70756503
Scarle is out. Rosemi is out.
Just a matter of when.

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>>70763562
grim that the wait is that long, we anyone even care about niji at that point?

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>>70763562
read the next tweet after that where he realized he doesn't actually have any rights at all and won't EVER

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>>70763594
They can be enforced for employees.
The non-compete article means that the contract turns the livers into employees, not independent contractors. Which then it turn opens up dispute about labor provisions, in which case laws where the talent is located apply.

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>>70763367
niji could have given approval for the vshojo transfers. the vshojo jp ceo has said he's spoken with top dudes at anycolor and cover

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>>70763750
>non-compete
*exclusivity

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>Niji own's your voice
They could train an AI with it and they fucking agreed lmao

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>>70763925
They will, give it time. Eventually it will be a company full of skinwalkers, and the NDF will defend it.

[Anonymous No.]

this is fucking demented

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>>70763925
Wait a minute, that Selen/Nina decapitation AI video...

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>>70764008
Yes. That was a prototype of the technology. Snuff content is immensely popular in China.

[Anonymous No.]

When content creators start to get involved, that's when this shit starts to get truly fucked for Nijisanji. It's one thing for the audience to start having bad feelings about supporting you, but how can you expand in the market when content creators and artists start talking with each other and start putting you on the "run for your life, do not work with these people" list?

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>>70763906
my bad

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>>70762120
do you read every ToS before pressing accept? those are also contracts

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>>70764124
ToS and employment contracts are very different

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>>70763925
oh that makes a lot more sense then the PL angle that legal guy thought that was for

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>>70764124
I read every single employment contract put in front of me

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>>70764124
The worst thing a ToS can do to you is revoke your access. The worst thing an employment contract can do is fuck you over for the rest of your life. You better read your contract before you sign it.

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>>70756108
so tl;dr the contract is exactly what any sane person would expect it to be (hololive/other corpos 100% have similarly one-sided contracts)
the corporation holds all the power in negotiations of course the contract favors the company. they are choosing from literally 1000s of qualified candidates and offering what most normal people would consider insanely good compensation
I don't feel at all bad for the people who knowingly signed away their "creative freedom" and joined an "oppressive work environment" for mid six figure salaries to play videogames

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>>70764328
>BUT WHAT ABOUT HOLOLIVE

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>>70764237
But can you do it in under an hour?

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>>70756399
All the staff are loving her as the company relief toilet right now too

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>>70763562
It's totally feel like a chastitiy cage for him, this is the best moment to release that song and get a lot of clout, one year later it will not care at all without all this dramaboost

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>>70764352
And it's pretty safe to say that hololive's contracts aren't like that if investors complain that talents there are treated like people instead of cattle

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>>70764352
finding out what hololive's contract looks like is the ultimate goal here. nobody cares about nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

So how many bukkake scenes will Enna, Erina and Millie have to do before they are allowed to leave Niji?

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>>70759033
Cool, but Selen is in Canada and Canada ripped apart a contract from Uber that basically said if you want to go through Arbitration you have to do it in the Netherlands. And you have to pay for it.
>https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/18406/index.do
>H provides food delivery services in Toronto using Uber’s software applications. To become a driver for Uber, H had to accept the terms of Uber’s standard form services agreement. Under the terms of the agreement, H was required to resolve any dispute with Uber through mediation and arbitration in the Netherlands.

The response of the Canadian courts was "Fuck that, this gives the employee no rights, and is therefore Unconscionable"
Unconsionability being a legal term that just says that a contract is so fucked up that no court in good conscious would ever allow it to be upheld, and a contract that will not be legally acknowledged is worth less than a toilet roll in India.
Uber could buy Anycolor sixty times over. Uber could not pay their way to a legal victory.
And Uber's contract was less predatory than Anycolor's.

Some of the shit Anycolor has pulled in that contract, if they've actually enforced it upon the people signing it, could probably leave them liable in some countries for what is known in legalese as "Having the judge ram his gavel up your arse and hammerfucking you to death"

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>>70764328
>what any sane person would expect it to be
in pakistan? >>70757524

[Anonymous No.]

>Nijisanji best move now is playing dumb
Watch them releasing a statement in the next 24 hours

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>>70763711
I'm sure they'll keep the coals burning, somehow

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764490
i see you also watched the longhaired hippy

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>>70764441
I'm still laughing at how a while ago one of the investors at a Hololive investors meeting said they should receive one on one shows by the talents. Not only did he get called a fucking retard, it caused another investor to snap and start calling out all the retarded things that Cover DID do, like Blue Journey being a confusing mess.

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Not even surprised people are going into full blown denial mode saying everything is fake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764328
>other companies do it so that means it's justified
>no I wont offer any proof that hololive does the same thing, just trust me

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>>70764516
At this point I honestly would not be surprised if Doki commits suicide by shooting herself in the back of the head and then throws herself into the ocean with her feet encased in cement.

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>>70764620
??????

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>>70764502
What's funny is Pakistani companies would absolutely get away with it in Pakistan.
But a foreign company trying that shit would get ripped to pieces in a Pakistani court and lamblasted in Pakistani media for exploiting Pakistanis, if said foreign company came from a country Pakistan didn't care for.

China lets Chinese executives do all sorts of shit they've jailed foreign executives for.

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>>70764620
I think you're thinking of the blue one, Elira

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764546
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764328
look, it's 4 months of "insanely good compensation"
Oh wait, they only get 1/3rd of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70763663
everyone is out. just a matter of when.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70763527
Maybe the legal terminology is different, or the translation isn't very good, but in plain english point 2 is absolutely not true. Part of the reason they released the list was for their own benefit. It sounds to me like that requirement is included because they're trying to protect whistleblowers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764320
nah, it'd get thrown out. slavery isn't legal my guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764780
100k subscribers milestone!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764656
I'm saying that Doki is going to get the Clinton Special if Niji keeps taking L's like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764847
they can sell they playbutto- oh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764780
Come on. They also get 2% of any merch sales

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764799
I don't know about that. I could see them fold a few members into JP or even just keep the branch going with people like Finana.
They'd become small corpo tier, but it would at least save them from the shame of announcing the branch's failure, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.]

What are the chances other vtubers are watching the stream and taking notes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70763750
The whole templet is one side contract. No way this would work in any western country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764926
A few Hololive members who have been critical of Cover are probably thinking really hard about their situation these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70757859
He's never been an ambulance chaser though. He's a property and finance lawyer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764904
DYRBI? Kuzuha got the 2% anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764560
>one of the investors at a Hololive investors meeting said they should receive one on one shows by the talents.
Must have one of those double dipping on niji and holo. Dude must have been confused that someone would actually want a real working business instead of quick money and whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>70757630
For the purposes of Anycolor's contract language, actually true
Because VShojo doesn't own the talents' IP or output in any way, they aren't doing it "for" VShojo the way they would be for Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764943
Any contract is valid if it doesn't get challenged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70758958
Honestly? Seriously? Cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761069
You will NEVER be loved by someone worthy, Rosemi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764328
This. This is a total nothingburger. Dramatrannies lost. It's just what you'd expect from a typical Japanese business contract. "Muh freedumbs" Amerimutts comparing it to slavery are comical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70763925
Well, there's some Vtuber that is developing and AI and very corpo oriented, so I can see Vedal selling codes for AI v-tubers in the future if he get confident enough when neuro get more polished

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762459
This is false in the UK and was recently proved false in the USA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765046
Feel bad for people who aren't in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761714
I don't. Fuck this idiot, he's part of the reason dealing with clients is such fucking torture, they see stupid fuckers like this trying to get them publicly lynched over their delusional ideas of how this industry works and now I have clients who act like they need to have me bound gagged and straightjacketed before I can edit a shitty youtube video for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762302
not a lawyer but I don't think this is how contracts work, someone in niji's legal team is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>70761476
yeah while the rest is fucked the music rights are just standard practice, if you work for a company to make a product, the that company owns the product, the only argument he might have is if he were never paid and he have local laws that is inalienable that lets him fight for the rights to the song

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764826
They could easily make the argument that it was for the benefit of being transparent and giving all the information regarding Zaion's termination especially since she has fans they believe should be informed. This argument goes through in most courts too since you'd have to prove they released it with the purpose of benefiting themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762258
Anyone who's been watching Vtubing longer than Hololive, or knows a single thing about idol jimushos already knew that corpo vtubing would be a Faustian bargain. A lot of people who were doubtful about the success on English Vtubers were pointing exactly to this sort of exploitative employment practice and how Japanese employment norms would clash with Westerners at some point.
The only remarkable thing about this contract is that some Westerners were willing to sign it and the whole thing hasn't exploded sooner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70756108
I honestly can't believe that one yellow birdy started the chain of events that a company, which was considered too big to fail, had to do some shit like margin trading to stay alive
And now with all stuff Sayu leaked, Riku unironically might just bail out

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765352
the summary is vague there. that provision is for amendments to the contract. that's still insane, obviously, but the contract itself has to be manually signed in the normal fashion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765369
I don't see how, they've had terminations before and to my knowledge this is the only time they felt the need to outline every failing. It's an obvious abberation, and the abberation happens to be to their benefit, and her detriment, purely by coincidence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765429
I'm going to enjoy seeing the olympic level mental gymnastics the sisters are going to pull off if Riku bails.

[Anonymous No.]

If anything the contracts just make the Clique seem extra cartoonishly evil if they forced people out. I'm an asshole but even that makes my skin crawl.

[Anonymous No.]

Did Sayu just imply doki isn't her friend...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762950
They in fact cited this as one of the reasons for her dismissal in the termination announcement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70756399
bicycles are cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765557
Anon barely interacted...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765391
I wonder if gens 1 and 2 (possibly up to Vox) had less shit contracts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765352
The screenshot said amendments, so it means
>sign contract
>niji wants to modify it later on
>if you don't say yes or no, it counts as an automatic yes
This is bad because what if Niji wants to add some insane clause and (You) need to consult your lawyer, which takes time? Then you can't answer and it becomes an automatic yes.
We are unfortunately infiltrated by seamonkeys right now and their incorrect recounting might be falseflagging at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70756108
you know its no fucking wonder they havent gotten any decent talents in a while, only desperate retards or die hard fans would willingly sign something this bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765557
Anon Sayu has mentioned MULTIPLE TIMES that she doesn't consider anybody both in and from Niji a friend. Not because she HATES them, but because they either never interacted or because they hate HER.

[Anonymous No.]

What is even the point of joining now if you can't even clout chase with this radioactive black corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70757164
Man this was such a good outfit combo for two streamers with great chemistry. Absolutely fucking wasted.

[Anonymous No.]

Is anyone gonna supercut these contract streams 'cause I don't wanna watch all of that

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765557
you probably know a ton of people that you wouldn't consider friends (or enemies), doesn't really mean anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762944
one side is standard practice the other is cartoonishly evil, while Il clown on Niji for their organ contracts, the music is a nothing burger if he got paid

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765557
She just doesn't want to be the "& Knuckles" to Doki's "Sonic 3"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70759264
if they submit changes to the contract and you dont reply within 14 days or you do your job youll automatically be subcribed

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765557
How are you supposed to actually be friends with someone in a company you were in for such a short time?

[Anonymous No.]

Her statement isn’t very smartly worded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765626
Isn't it usually the other way around? Newer contracts get better

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765529
That level of mental gymnastics would make Tzeentch and the Alpha Legion take you aside and tell you that you have a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70763527
>so Sayu would have no case
She absolutely does. All she needs to prove is that it wasn't for the good of public. And now we clearly see it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765529
When their actual oshi Riku leaves, will they follow him to his next business?

[Anonymous No.]

rate my anycolor opening.

https://files.catbox.moe/v1974o.mp3

[Anonymous No.]

>>70757859
>most attention his channel has ever gotten
>easily the most money he's ever made
>Nijisanji literally just keeps giving him new content
Wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764842
> slavery isn't legal
Someone hasn't read the 13th amendment

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765805
did people regularly back out of niji contracts after getting past interviews? seems like it's been extremely common more recently than ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765773
Nude lesbian pillow fights

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764490
A couple different internet lawyers have weighed in on the jurisdictional issue.
Basically what they said is that when disputing an international contract, the defendant's jurisdiction is used by default. So if Nijisanji wanted to sue Selen for violating contract terms (like breaching an NDA or something) they would have to prosecute her in Canada. But if Selen wanted to sue Nijisanji for violating her labour rights, it would fall into japanese court jurisdiction.

Japanese civil courts are A:
notoriously corrupt
B: notoriously incompetent
C: notoriously racist.
There's next to no chance that a foreigner ever wins a case against a profitable japanese company no matter how airtight the case is. The judge will just lie their way to a dismissal to avoid needing to rule against big company and send you through a million layers of appeal processing, a process which will inevitably stonewall you because you're a disgusting filthy foreigner until you run out of money or choose to drop the case.

This is likely the very reason these contracts are so comically bad. Anycolor knows they can't reasonably enforce ANY contract terms against foreigners, but also know foreigners have basically no recourse if they're fucked over--because japan will protect the bad guy. So these contracts are more or less just elaborate extortion tools meant to browbeat the legally ignorant until they wise up and get a lawyer

[Anonymous No.]

>THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING ABUSED! THEY'RE BEING FORCED TO PLAY VIDEOGAMES FOR A LIVING!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765922
hot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765931
Anon the contract was the Japanese one translated into English so it isn't exclusive to non-JP members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765906
Reading it right now and it outlaws slavery

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765836
I can't believe the NDF sisters are so toxic that not even the forces of chaos want anything to do with them...

>>70765870
>Riku decides to get in on the weapons manufacturing biz what with all the wars going on
>the sisters end up becoming warmongers
Scary thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765805
No, where did you get that from?
That can somewhat make sense on a new company (so JP gen one) because there were less resources to go around, but doesn't apply to a new branch of an existing behemoth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765906
That's for people actively serving a sentence. Maybe riku needs to start hiring convicts if he wants to legally have slaves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765792
is it? she just doesnt want people to compare their problems with niji, which is a fair thing to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765906
Might want to do a bit of reading yourself faggot

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment#:~:text=The%2013th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20United%20States%20Constitution%20provides%20that,place%20subject%20to%20their%20jurisdiction.%22

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765865
Then she'd have to prove Nijisanji didn't release it for the sake of transparency and informing the public of the reason's for her termination. Considering she has the same amount of viewers that she did in Niji, she couldn't even prove any monetary damages they caused either

She literally has 0 case and the armchair grifter lawyer has no idea what he's talking about. I guess all lawyers will try to convince you they'd win for a payday though

[Anonymous No.]

For those saying "this would be enforceable in Japan", we have absolutely no basis for that.
Reminder that AnyColor's track record in court is abysmal, and they can't even win against a defense that gets thrown out.
There is no indication that AnyColor has a legal team at all, and there is no indication that if they do, that team is competent enough to know laws.
For all we know Riku wiped his ass on a piece of paper and said "that's the contract" and some minimum wage high schoolers tried to transcribe it from the shitstains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764328
I actually believe this considering that Grimmi chose to nope out of the holo contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766034
Weapons manufacturing might need too much startup capitol and tech expertise.

It'd be a lot cheaper to harness the fanaticism of sisters and fill the void left by Prigozhin, creating Wagner 2, PMC Boogaloo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765986
i'm sorry that your career prospects are so grim, jealousy isn't a good look for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765900
kek, how did you make this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766118
It’s the way she said it that is open to misinterpretation.

[Anonymous No.]

here's a tldr from a faggot website
>inb4 you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766118
it sounded more like "ew, gross, don't lump me in with them"

i understand her feelings, but she could have worded it a bit more delicately, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766261
suno, you can make like 5 songs per day or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766240
It can work. Riku can even save on money and not even hire a combat trainer and just give the sisters a few guns from the cold war era and tell 'em to go ham.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766229
Any corpo contract is going to curtail your freedoms in some way compared to being an indie.
For some people that's too much and that's fine, better for them to back out than go ahead with something their don't want.
But we know for a fact Cover doesn't pull some of the shit Niji does. Streaming accounts restrictions are an immediate big one. Lots of Holo members both in EN and JP have active roommate accounts for streaming, all the way back to JP gen 1,

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766229
Where'd she say it was a holo contract?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766043
I guess you are right, if it works, why change it, even with such shitty contract people still were eager to sign it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766229
>>>>>>>>>holo contract
You're not slick Sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766017
>>70766174
Nice 3rd grade reading comprehension. "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States"
>>70766051
This, people think it's illegal, but it is legal with a "but" on it. Prison slavery is very much still a thing. The prisons just do a very good job of keeping it out of public view. Sure, you can't sign away your rights in a contract, it isn't a enforceable contract, but blanket statements like it's illegal are only made by idiots who don't know the reality of the situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70756463
>Nijisanji also gets to decide where the livers do their job
Wrong. Nowhere is this stated.
>money etc directed to Nijisanji
True for Cover too
>No joining vtuber agencies for 6 months
Cover has similar stuff in their contract since Vesper wasn't allowed to use a vtuber model from the get go
>They can just straight up take all your money
Wrong. Even the grifting lawyer doesn't think that. Didn't even watch the stream.
>Bound by the contract 4ever
Wrong.
>Niji does not guarantee you anything
Wrong. They pay for L2D model, merch production, 3D, travel expenses (Cover does not cover travel expenses btw)
>Not signing within 14 days = yes
Wrong. Nowhere is this stated
>Minimal support for maximum control and maximum profit
Opinion

Just straight up making up shit since the actual thing is a nothingburger standard Japanese business contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765519
They've only had graduations before. Graduation is essentially quitting and doesn't warrant an explanation from the company on why the member quit to the public. If someone gets terminated, people would question why the company fired one of their members so they just informed the public of the reasons why. They got no benefit from posting that notice, in fact, it was to their detriment.

Zaion's document might be considered defamation though so it was made with the purpose of defending her reputation after being fired. Did she ever say the reason why she included pictures of her dead pet in it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766051
jailtubers would be kind of cool imo

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766412
Some dumb rrat originating from /here/, holds no water whatsoever.
She says it had nothing to do with the niji situation, but the timing lines up with it and certainly doesn't line up with anything holo related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766326
faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518
>Cover has similar stuff in their contract since Vesper wasn't allowed to use a vtuber model from the get go
If you're going to lie at least make it something that isn't immediately outed as bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518
>>Nijisanji also gets to decide where the livers do their job
>Wrong. Nowhere is this stated.
anon your bait reps...
it's even highlighted

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766351
So it's just the original Wagner, except they substitute krokodil and vodka with oshi obsessions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766229
It was probably not holo and if it was, more likely just spooked by perms autism and other jap corpo idiocy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766326
>if disputes, including legal disputes, arise between livers, Niji does fuck all but like to listen to the clout
Elira's attempt to mend her image was because of this
>It's the livers' responsibility to deal with copyright strikes
Enna banning her "yall homies gon' be with me even if I kill someone" moment from clippers
>Niji dictates the communication channels and comply livers to tweet random things
They are literally pulling the strings on everything. Even your oshi saying "I love you guys <33" is just a scheduled, tailored-to-the-talent reply.
so what DO these dumb idiots have as "freedoms" to do? At this rate, this is modern day slavery

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766641
do you really think niji actually gives a fuck about this?
this is clearly just a catch-all veto thing so they don't stream from a mcdonald's bathroom like pippa

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766333
to me it sounded more like that their circumstances are just different and they are pretty much strangers, so it would be respectful towards her and doki to not compare them and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766351
They just tell them the enemy insulted Vox and the war will fight itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518
Your opinions, did not read cause you are wrong lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766746
Opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766229
>Grimmi chose to nope out of the holo contract
what a funny coincidence that it happened right after selen assassination attempt failed, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone stitched together Sayu's contract yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766746
>it never happen
>something
>something something
>shit happened
you are here
>they deserved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766641
This is not "deciding where the livers do their job". You phrased it like a retard on purpose for your dramatranny friends.

[Anonymous No.]

PartyAsisters this can't go on, we have to teach that PartyBPDbitch a lesson.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766946
Who cares? No one’s going to read it, half of this board is illiterate anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766950
no im saying it never happened. has anyone in niji complained about being told they couldn't stream at a specific place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518
>3D
>Guaranteed
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518
the summary is shit but your post is even worse
to anons itt, just read the whole thing. at least skim it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70756463
The part was the funniest shit to me

>We can access your account as your public persona
>We may say anything we want under your name pretending to be you
>>>>>we're not responsable for any fuck ups we make while wearing your skin

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766746
The contract has a lot of things that sound nonsensical. Whether they ever ACTUALLY intended enforce these clauses is a different argument. According to the letter of the contract they can do these things. The law would likely disagree, but that's also not what anyone is arguing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766993
I care, because I asked.

[Anonymous No.]

I fell asleep after last night's stream. What the fuck happened today? Something about an hour?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766952
>i order you to stream from our office in tokyo
how is this not deciding where livers do their job?
btw not even the summary anon (the summary is shit)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767042
>party b shall be responsible for its own shit
>party a is not responsible for shit management of the social media from party b
How did you interpret this that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766589
Where else would a mid 3view go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767101
absolutely, but I also think that type of stuff is normal for contracts. especially ones written where one side has all the bargaining power and dictates the terms. people acting like this is insane or malicious are just being dramatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767042
"For the purpose of management" , things like privating videos or deleting VODs. Releasing information through them is legally not management. This must be the first time ESLs had to read so much English

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767042
And yet they hounded Doki and her emergency contact to make her issue a """correction""" while she was in the hospital. Despite the contract legally allowing them to skinwalk and do it themselves. Ain't that some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767249
doesn't that imply a reluctance to skinwalk as her, which is a good thing? or do you think they did it to fuck with Selen when she was suicidal just to be mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767150
looking specifically at 8.
>Party A shall not be liable for ... errors in use
this would include them fucking up a skinwalking attempt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767249
a skinwalked correction could be instantly refuted by her PL, they wanted her to "take responsibility"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767249
Prove they ever did that, you dramafaggot. Point to a single time a hospital is mentioned in the termination notice and a single time Doki ever said this.
>Despite the contract legally allowing them to skinwalk
It's almost like they CAN'T do that which is why they were asking

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767015
>it was never in the contract.
>something
>something something
>It's in the contract
>yeah but it never happen irl yet
you are here
>they deserved it.

Ok here's an update for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767150
Because if you're already allowing Party A to impersonate as Party B for "management" what evidence do you have that it was Party A if the only written evidence is party B?

Specially the clause specifies "insufficient management". The point of the clause is clear: to establish control over your public persona AND to exempt yourself from liability when using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766952
>Nijisanji(Party B) also gets to decide(shall implement) where(place designated) the livers(Party A) do their job(VTuber Activities)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767323
How? Doesn’t that just mean shit like them possibly getting hacked

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767042
actually I think that's the only thing they can't do under that. They can use your account for moderation and they're immune from management negligence towards that account, but it doesn't say they can specifically use it to put false information anywhere. You'd have to get that implication from elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767308
Honestly? The latter. If they were seriously concerned about their public image being destroyed by her initial tweet, they wouldn't have hesitated to do it themselves. So it wasn't important enough for them to do themselves but was important enough for them to bother her about while she was hospitalized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765900
2%/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767323
In use of a third party. Which means copyright laws. Why'd you leave that part out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766518
Half of the things you said are wrong. I watched both streams.
I’m too lazy to reply though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767396
Watch the stream.
Party A is Nijisanji.
Party B is the VTuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767151
>>70767396
I mean, this is basic shit. It's about attending events. The post makes it seem like they have total control over them and can force them to move to Japan or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70762539
ahh thanks for the spoonfeed. can't niji fuck Sayu hardcore for leaking this stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767396
>ANYCOLOR Inc. (hereinafter referred to as “Party A”) and [REDACTED] (hereinafter referred to as “Party B”)
Bro it is literally the first fucking line.
Are you being retarded on purpose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767392
What kind of mental gymnastics is this, the sentences are as simple and straightforward as they can be
If you mismanage your social media on your own they’re not liable for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767536
They can certainly try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767536
No, she never signed the silencing agreement so its not in effect nor confidential.
Even then, its not enforceable in the States so Kurosanji can't do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

as a tourist i thought this SEA/ESL shit was a boogeyman but it really is true huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767219
why on earth do you think communication between the character and the fanbase would not constitute management?

>>70767417
I don't think so.
going into specifics, look at 5 as well as 8.
>Party A may USE the account for the purpose of the management of the program
>Party A shall not be liable for any damages resulting from ... errors in USE

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767536
it would blow back so hard that nijisanji as a whole could potentially collapse

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767666
If it was use specifically by party A they would just, you know, write that

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767370
>Point to a single time a hospital is mentioned in the termination notice
The termination notice mentions talking to her emergency contact. They would only do that if they can't contact her. Like when you are in the hospital and don't have access to your phone because the hospital took it away from you after you attempted suicide.
>It's almost like they CAN'T do that which is why they were asking
You didn't even look at the image in the post I replied to. It was the first line. Stop throwing an emotional bitchfit and read. Apply yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70764906
I'd say the livers with close connections to holopro talents have a chance of getting nepo'd in

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767519
they literally can do that though, that section is straight up about deciding where they work
events, meetings and so on have a completely separate section (see pic)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70765900
I can't wait for the musical

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767142
Sayu showed a Discord message from management that told her to sign a contract before leaving within one hour or she's terminated.
Which we now know means you have to pay back 100% of your last year's earnings.

[Anonymous No.]

Are we not going to talk about that part in sayu's contract that said
>Article 28 still stands in this yakuza shit
>AKA the one that makes 17/31 other articles stand for eternity

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767498
>>70767541
I deeply apologize for the mistake and further confusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70766746
I thought this was about streaming services... Since most people say they are (going) to another place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767485
>in use of a third party
it says or. as in it's a separate item on the list of things they claim they're not liable for.

>>70767740
it's exactly because they didn't specify that it covers skinwalking.
Again,
>errors in use
refers any any use of the account, doesn't matter if it's Party A or Party B

don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say they'd actually enforce it, but the way it's written they could absolutely skinwalk an account and claim they're not liable based on how it's worded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767878
You know what they say, the throat GOAT makes the scrote gloat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70756108
>Nijisanji
Yikes
>Drama
Yikes
>Grift-tubers
Yikes
Can we have a separate board for Nijisanji and their thrash? It is really stinking up the place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767802
What? How does that say they can force them to stream in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767956
cry about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767956
Patience, they will be gone soon enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767666
How would ghostwriting tweets and putting it on their account without consent be managing? They manage what the talent does and ghostwriting isn't something that falls under management. Unless you're implying a manager at a restaurant can just say what the fuck ever and claim it's on the worker's behalf

[Anonymous No.]

>>70767966
see >>70767396
i thought we were over this? i posted the other section since we were talking about events.

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>>70767966
not just Japan, anywhere the management want

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One of my favorite indie vtubers stood by Sayu after everything went down... I got real fooled by Nijisanji, I should've trusted the people that didn't have a horse in this race

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>>70768102
Obviously they can make them fly to Japan for work and shit, that falls under vtuber activities

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>>70767762
>They would only do that if they can't contact her.
They literally said they frequently contacted them both, you retard. You actually can't read. It's almost like these conversations happened before any attempt. The contract says nothing about the company publishing information on the account of the person. What do you think management is?

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>>70767802
There is no 'events' in your image retard. Meetings and conferences are online most of the time.

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>>70767876
It doesn't list itself tho, so it does not survive..kek

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>>70767905
No. It says in use or use by a third party. Which means currently using or previously used. It's not a separate thing

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>>70768097
>they manage what the talent does
>ghostwriting isn't something that falls under management
I can't help you if you think overseeing public communications is not management.

>implying a manager at a restaurant can just say what the fuck ever and claim it's on the worker's behalf
nonsensical analogy, we're talking about skinwalking, meaning that the shit the manager is saying looks like it's coming directly from the worker.

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>>70768288
>etc
anon....

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>>70768182
>I should've trusted the people that didn't have a horse in this race
I see wut u did there.

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>>70768377
>overseeing
That isn't overseeing. That is actively communicating to people claiming it's on the talents behalf. Do you not know what words mean?

>skinwalking
Explain the difference in a manager at a job putting words in the mouth of an employee without consent and skin walking . It's the same thing

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>>70768375
>8. Party A shall not be liable for any damages resulting from insufficient management of the Information of the Account by Party B, errors in use, or use by a third party.
>Party A shall not be liable for any damages resulting from {A}, {B}, or {C}.
>A: insufficient management of the Information of the Account by Party B
>B: errors in use
>C: use by a third party
here's your english lesson for today.

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>1. Each party hereby represents and warrants that currently it is not an organized crime group, a group affiliated to an organized crime group, a group that carries out activities that are contrary to the public welfare, or any other antisocial forces (hereinafter, collectively, “Antisocial Forces”), and that it does not have any relation whatsoever with any Antisocial Forces, and that it will not have any relation whatsoever with any Antisocial Forces in the future.
>a group that carries out activities that are contrary to the public welfare
>and that it does not have any relation whatsoever with any Antisocial Forces
>and that it will not have any relation whatsoever with any Antisocial Forces in the future.
Doesn't the existence of the NDF, and even /here/, immediately disqualify like...80% of the livers, and the company itself, from being a party on this contract?
If so, that means that you couldn't enforce this contract in Japan, even if their laws allowed everything else. The contract doesn't sustain itself on principle.

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>>70765429
I would say the chain of events began with Yugo's "graduation."
That, the AR Live, and Zaion's termination were setting the charges. Nina, Mysta and Pomu's graduations were the fuse. Selen's termination was the explosion.

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>>70767498
>Party B (organ) shall implement the VTuber Activities (work) at the place designated by Party A (nijisanji)
Reading comprehension anon.

>The content of the VTuber Activities shall be as follows
>Performing the Distribution of the Contents
>Performing the Social Media Disseminating
>...

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>>70768540
>overseeing
>supervising a person
>supervise
>observe and direct the execution of a task, project, or activity
oversight does not imply you have no part in the execution of a task.

>explain the difference
the difference is you can say the manager is doing it for one of them but there's no such indication for skinwalking.
I'm just going to call you ESL and stop responding, feel free to continue bitching about english when you don't know it.

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Honestly, the sisters should just consider going back to kpop or whatever they liked before now. I can't imagine being able to live with myself and stay in this hobby despite taking so many Ls.

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>>70757859
He's a lawyer...

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>>70756108
It just keeps getting worse and worse. No wonder people shit on this company.

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>>70768940
they are literal slaves from pakistan, taking Ls is in their blood.

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>>70759481
How the hell would that ever fly? Like theoretically couldn't they just hide the changes from the liver and then down the road in a dispute slap down an unsigned document and claim that it's binding because they didn't sign it in fourteen days?

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>>70756108
Shitshowsanji

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>>70769215
It wouldn't fly at all, the whole clause was worded like bullshit. Them sending an email with the new contract mid-stream would constitute as consenting.

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>>70767966
in practice, the contract would not be able to override statute. so if, for some reason, Party B were prohibited from entering japan, then Party A would not be able to designate a place inside japan for Party B to implement the VTuber Activities. it would, however, be reasonably interpreted to mean that Party A can demand that Party B rent a studio and use that instead of a room at home to implement the VTuber Activities. it means what it says.

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Sayu is such a shit stirring attention seeking bitch

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>>70757164
follows aren't endorsements

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>>70769469
She should have killed herself like dookiedramabird, Nijisanji will survive this.

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>>70768257
>They literally said they frequently contacted them both
Again. You wouldn't contact the emergency contact unless you couldn't contact her. Why would you not be able to contact her? You can't answer that. Because it destroys your argument.
>What do you think management is?
Everything to do with how the Program is handled. Did you even read the definition section in the contract? Again. Calm down, stop flinging insults, and actually read the damn thing. Or just bury your head in the sand and argue that it's not a real contract. I don't care.

All you people do is throw tantrums. You aren't changing anyone's mind that way. What you are doing is showcasing that the fanbase of your company is toxic and not worth the trouble of interacting with. Which is a great look to have when businesses are reconsidering their relationship with Anycolor. Nobody wants to interact with a hatemob. Businesses don't want to do business with a company linked to one. If your goal is to further damage Anycolor's reputation, then you are doing a bang up job of it.

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>>70768800
>oversight does not imply you have no part in the execution of a task.
Did you read the definition of the word supervise? It means to only observe and direct. It literally means you do nothing but tell someone what to do. You're a fucking backwater retard

>the difference is you can say the manager is doing it for one of them but there's no such indication for skinwalking.
So you never explained the difference between putting words in someone mouth and skin walking despite them being the same thing basically. I'll give an even better analogy.

If my manager writes a note and signs my name on it without my consent, is that management and how is it different from skin walking? Average ESL going in overdrive

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>>70769642
keep looking at those definitions ESL, you'll be upset at what you find.

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>>70769574
>You wouldn't contact the emergency contact unless you couldn't contact her
If the person requests her emergency contact be present or she redirects me to the emergency contact to speak on her behalf, yeah I would
>Everything to do with how the Program is handled. Did you even read the definition section in the contract?

Writing things and claiming someone else is the one who wrote them isn't management in any sense of the word. You faggots love to just create new definitions of words when convenient

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>>70756108
The drama is still ongoing and its not the 14th yet? These amateurs need to hire actual PR and shut this shit down. What an embarrassment.

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>>70762409
>>70762332
what?

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>>70756399
Question, does Elira peg the other clique-members, or is she the type who pillow-princess' her way through life?

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>>70759481
There should be at least something in there so that Party B could acknowledge receiving the said amendments and then the 14 day countdown can start, or is this implied?

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>>70769788
Look up "irony" and you might be surprised at what you find. "Overseeing" does not mean what you think it means. Skinwalking is not management; it is mismanagement. I'm not even the fag you were arguing with.

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>>70770086
there are a lot of things that ought to be phrased better in this contract.

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>>70770050
Doubt. If I had to bet she's not hot enough to coast on pretty privilege but she's not ugly enough to be a total gremlin. She's probably a 5 or 6 that gets bumped up to a 7 because of easy it is to fuck her

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>>70757524
those who grew up as slaves thinks this is the norm and acceptable