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7073727 No.7073727 [Reply] [Original]

Is Apex Legends even a good or buff game? I don't get it.

Orange Woman unrelated.

>> No.7073778

>>7073727
>buff game
depends for who
>good game
no
t. playing since s2

>> No.7073858

>>7073727
It's fun with friends

>> No.7073878

>>7073858
this

>> No.7074109

>>7073778
Still pretty much the only non-trash pvp shooter out there.

>> No.7074177

>>7073727
A buff unless you're a holo that's been playing nonstop for months yet still manages to be dogshit.

>> No.7074184
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7074184

Trash game. All battle royale is trash. Because of how seemingly unlikely it is to win a game, it's convinced so many awful players that they aren't actually trash. The odds are just really that much against them. Then you get people like Ollie continuing to play rather than quitting in shame like she should be doing. Imagine never winning a ranked Starcraft game after 100 games. That's Ollie. And she still plays.

Super buff for chuubas like Selen. She should just give into her destiny of being an exclusive Apex streamer.

>> No.7075843

>>7074184
>Everyone should ragequit and/or stop streaming the game they like playing because it's hard and I don't like battle royales.

And what's with this odds bullshit? All 100 players have the same possible battle options at their core. The only meaningful disadvantage is skill.

>> No.7075965

>>7074184
To be fair, unlike starcraft which is a binary win or lose, just doing better in APEX means you're 'winning' because you dont need to be first to get the win bonuses.

>> No.7076070

>>7074184
Play games to have fun, don't try to be an e-athlete. Does Ollie have fun playing APEX?

>> No.7080534
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>>7074184
Tackle any game with this mindset and you've already lost. The phase for any BR game is the conversion of trying not to die into possibly winning, player starts off figuring out how to lessen the chances of them dying into increasing the chance of winning and APEX/any squad game helps that along by having more experienced players taking the lead(ideally).
There's also the setting of goals, playing to win or playing to improve, farm kills/damage etc. You can win with 0 kills, possibly even 0 damage like Pochi-sensei but that's probably gonna feel bad.

That said I enjoy watching vtubers play just for the positive perspective of streamers playing and having a good time instead of getting mad.

>> No.7080778

>>7073727
iirc it basically died after its initial launch within a week. I think they ran some massive shill campaign or something to pull it off life support. Basically shit that shouldn't be alive but they managed to hook enough people into keeping it up.

>> No.7087265 [DELETED] 

>>7073727
Buff game? Yes. Fun to watch? Only if the chubas are a full team of apex predators competing against the toughest opponents. Otherwise it's just a slow motion fail compilation.

>> No.7087397

>>7074184
>Because of how seemingly unlikely it is to win a game
That's only because most chubas are trash at videogames in general, it's not hard to win in BR, specially in apex, but most won't bother to improve enough. They queue, drop in a corner of the map where no one lands, loot for 10 min and die to the first squad they face, then repeat this cycle for 100's of games.

>> No.7087511

>>7075843
>>7075965
>>7076070
>>7080534
>t. Apex shitters
Quit. You're just fodder for kill compilations.

>> No.7087550

>>7073727
It's a fortnite clone as far as I'm concerned. These big name publishers always try to rebrand resell successful titles.

>> No.7088090
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>>7073858
https://youtu.be/J0asfd_WUiI?t=158

>> No.7088159

Maybe watch good players instead of trash, and this goes to literally any competitive game.
tip: every girl in hololive is trash

>> No.7088195

>>7074184
sounds like a loser's mindset to me

>> No.7094326

>>7073727
>Buff game
Only if you are good
>Good game
Hahaha
no

>> No.7094550

>>7088159
Bruh Botan is actually decent in FPS, maybe Aqua and Towa

>> No.7094617

>>7073727
my 11, 14 and 9yo nephews say its the best game ever

>> No.7094827

It's a buff game for people who come out the gates saying they're good at the game. Selen, Lauren, and Axia of the recent Niji recruits all basically said they're Master/Pred-tier players and it's very clearly going to be their bread and butter. If you're dogshit you better hope you have personality. If you have neither the skill or personality it's an inherent debuff game.

It's also a debuff game for the streamers people hold to being the GFEs in Hololive. Pekora, Marine, Korone all get a sharp increase in dislikes for playing it even though they make any game look fun.

>>7094550

Eh. Towa and Aqua are both Diamond. Choco, Roboco, Fubuki all (used to) play a lot and I don't think any of them can get out of Gold.

>> No.7095244

>>7073727
Apex's shield system allows shit players to survive longer thus giving the illusion that they're playing competently.
In warzone you'll die in a split second for the smallest mistake

>> No.7101399

>>7073778
>good game
not while that retard Daniel Klein is in charge of "balancing". Imagine nerfing a legend just because you got merked by one in a game once

Respawn can make some pretty great shooters but holy fuck are their community relations so shit. People have been complaining about server issues but all they can think about is what fucking dull color to use for their generic as fuck skins that no one even wants.

Also, lore? how bout some irrelevant comics that may or may not be canon and some cinematics wherein shit happens just because it looks "cool". Some naive redditors will praise us like we actually give a shit to the story anyways (seriously, that "wHeN peOpLe mEntIoN apEx tHeY alWayS tHinK oF tHe gAmePlaY. bUt lEt'S nOt fOrgEt tHe worK oF arT tHat is tHe lOre" reddit post where the comments are circle jerking to the godawful obviously unplanned joke they call a story actually gave me aids).

Holy fuck that was a long rant. Finally got that out of my chest

>> No.7101852

>>7075843
wrong, i've had many times where my squad have stumbled on another squad that just won a gunfight but were nearly dead
seems counterintuitive for a videogame to punish someone for being able to win gunfights, apex isn't a badly made game (unlike fortnite) but its a BR and BRs are shit by default for encouraging unfun, cancerous playstyles

>> No.7102553
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>Your favourite genres are unpopular or bad stream material so you get Apex instead
Name them.

I just want a chuba who can actually play fighters. At least I get JRPGs if they're willing to tank their views.

>> No.7102562

>>7101852
I was playing it the other day and this exact thing happened. I came upon some squad that had barely won a fight. The guy was in the middle of rezzing his teammate and 1 single bullet from my gun killed him. I legitimately felt like an asshole. Apex has moved in the right direction with having damage give you stronger armor to encourage fighting, but they still haven't solved the 3rd party problem that plagues all BRs.

The whole BR genre is an RNG fuck fest and I think that's where a lot of its popularity lies. Pull the slot machine lever enough times and eventually serendipity will strike and give you a free win no matter how bad you are. For instance, I have only about 50 hours in Apex and one game my squad won with all 3 of us having done 0 damage. I actually stopped playing it for a time after that because it clearly demonstrated how little impact your own game play makes against the sum of the other 59. Maybe the genre is a modern art critique of the universe.

>> No.7102701

>>7102562
You also didn't get many points for that win due to not having kp. It's not just about winning.

>> No.7102753

>>7073727
All BR games are trash for trash people that can't compete in straight deathmatches or objective based games

>> No.7102927

>>7102553
I do well in terms of jrpgs.

But other than that, hands down fighting games and I don't see danmaku too much. And even for jrpgs, would love to see more branching out than just a dq11 or what have you. Like a Grandia, but was nice to see SaGa get its moment.

>> No.7109761

>>7073727
No its not a buff game. Its only popular in Japan and no where else. Battle royales, Mobas and even XIV are nothing more than conformist bullshit. But if you like it fine. Just calling what it is.

>> No.7110785

>>7102562
Would having your squad receive some kind of instant shield or heal after eliminating an enemy squad help things?

>> No.7111577

>>7110785
Actually I searched and a community manager said they considered/are still considering adding something like that. The main problem with it is that there's no way to determine who should receive the extra health. Imagine two teams are close to finishing a fight, then a 3rd comes and kill snipes the last one. Should the 3rd team get the full heal? I suppose it could be based on the percentage of damage each team did to the squad, and then when the final kill is made, everyone receives their proper contribution's worth, but then you also have to consider the timing of it.

What if its a scrappy fight between 3 teams, and Team A has really been drilling into Team B the whole time, but Team B has done more damage to Team C. Imagine you're on Team A, about to kill someone on Team B, and then one of your teammates manages to kill the last person of Team C and thus activate the heal; your opponent suddenly gains a ton of health out of nowhere through no fault of your own and there is no way you could know that was going to happen when you made your decision to go all in on your opponent.

I think the only bullet proof solution is literally locking the area when a team starts to fight and no one else can enter or leave until its finished, but the mechanics of that would be a nightmare to tune and ultimately wouldn't really be that fun. I think that 3rd partying is just an inescapable mechanic to BR that can't be fixed, and maybe shouldn't be fixed. If it didn't exist then the game would be nothing more than window dressing for a deathmatch server selection screen.

>> No.7118605

>>7111577
Maybe something similar to warzone's Quickfix where you(not the squad) will gain some health whenever you killed a player. But this will most likely appear in apex as a hero ability instead of a default thing imo

>> No.7118751
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7118751

>>7074184
This is borderline scrub quotes, Im in awe. It took me 30 games of Street fighter before I won once. Then it took 27 games, then 13. Losing is improving, if you realize it or not.

>> No.7118790

>>7073727

>> No.7119242

>>7073727
Is Gura....eating Kiaras chickenwing between her legs?

>> No.7119523

>>7073727
the game should just be removed from the face of the earth because the time for hero shooters is gone

>> No.7119710

>>7118751
>Street Fighter
shit take, Fighters are skill based you're either better than your 1 (ONE) opponent or you're not

with FPS especially fucking Battle Royale (RNG) based you simply have way too much shit going against you to consistently pull a champion. There's guess work and reading and fighter almost always a solution to any problem in FPS you can't do shit if 2 squad mates are down and an entire fucking squad with red armor comes at you from different angles you're fucked no amount of skill or reading saves that .

>> No.7120037

>>7102553
A group of Nijisanji members picked up SFV, streams aren't often but they're noobs trying to get decent at it.

>> No.7124165

>>7102927
Man, I wish whatever bug that bit Okayu and made her grind Imperishable Night went over and bit some other members instead of just dying.

>> No.7124228

>>7074184
I had fun once. It was terrible.

>> No.7124280

>>7119710
You can mitigate it. BR isn’t about winning every match, is about being consistent and trying to not lose.

>> No.7128323

>>7073727

>> No.7128431

>>7073727
But how good are these two at playing them?

>> No.7130122

>>7074109
>Still pretty much the trash 90% non-pvp shooter out there.

>> No.7130192

>>7102753

>BR objective based game

>> No.7130603

>>7102927
Loved the SaGa Frontier streams. I went to more than just vtubers for that. Just seeing people trying to wrap their minds around it was great.

>> No.7130810

>>7080778
I dropped this shit about a week after launch. Terrible hitboxes, awful balance, high as fuck TTK, and fucking Skulltown, nevermind the usual BR shit. Playing it on Origin was miserable too, me and my friends crashed constantly and Origin is shit all around for inviting and actually using. Reinstalled it on Steam later since all the Vtubers were playing it and it's definitely way better, balance is still a bit shit though, and servers still suck.

>> No.7131052

>>7073727
Buff depends on who. Its a buff for Kuzuha but not for Matsuri. Good game? I'd say its alright. Worst thing is how the characters look.

>> No.7132696

>>7128431
Neither of them play at all, Gura only did that one collab with Amelia early on where she didn't know what she was doing at all, and Kiara can't into shooters

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