/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Honey! Wake up! Ironmouse has a new sickness grift.

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAAAAAAAA I'M GOING TO AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
people keep spouting that all of this stuff is a grift, but dont even show any proof at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
neither does she

[Anonymous No.]

So brave

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658683
she doesnt have to? you are making a claim and show zero proof

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658710
>TRUST ALL WOMEN CHUD

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>>70658715
you're actually retarded. you should just people in general unless you have some means to not trust them otherwise. now show the proof or just fuck off..

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658710
I don't think she's faking it, but she's the one saying that she has the sickness anon, the burden of proof is on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
Slow news for Ironlung fags and IM fags . Let's add the embedded fags as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
If I'm reading this thumbnail right her brain doesn't plug into her face because it's the wrong USB type. Sounds rough, hope she recovers

[Anonymous No.]

This isn't new. She's talked about it before and said she showed her hole to Connor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658789
>you should trust people in general
>but I'm not going to trust you so you need to show evidence

You're retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659012
who HASN'T she shown her hole to?

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>>70658626
While I dont believe she is sick at all. What you think and what the average person thinks doesnt need to be alligned for the idea that it is a grift not to be believed. The grift in this context is that she is a sick vtuber. Her being sick or not doesnt even matter.
>She is not sick and is playing a con
>She is sick and is using it as kayfabe
>She is sick but its not serious and she just wants money.
There is too much ambiguity in the whole thing and she/anyone else hasnt convinced me on whats the truth. Keep in mind, because of that even if she personally shows herself getting surgery, or going through extreme medication. It wont change my mind that it is a grift. The proof is in the OP and ironmouse clips. If you cant understand that then its not worth explaining how this clout thing works for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
QUICK! GIVE HER AN AWARD

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659156
me but I'll settle for cumming in her eye if she won't show me

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
New? Even in the forbidden video she talks about her heart port. Please nigga, do your fucking reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658710
she's the one making the claim, we're refuting the claim

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>>70658502
kek oh so now shes an usb robot which makes her all better huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
nijisanji kicked from offkai deflection thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
So stunning and brave

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
I got nothing against this girl, I just don't watch her.
But holy shit her compilations and that Connor guy need to stop sneaking their way into my Youtube recommendations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
>new
She's had those implants for ages. Apparently everyone in this thread is a retard who's never watched her

[Anonymous No.]

Again with this shit? It's like some SEA middleschooler has access to the pc once a week and they use that opportunity to find the newest clickbait clipper video and post a screencap on /vt/ because that's all they are ever going to be good for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658613
kek
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

ok how does anyone believe this grifting whore? you really think she has a USB port in her head?
vshocucks are pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

Skepticism is good, in an epistemic sense the burden of proof is on her, but everyone doubting STILL manages to be THIS retarded. If you were smart, you'd treat it as an unverified (and with good reason) story that people take as true. But you manage to go full retard with IT'S FAKE. Flat Earthers are smarter than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
Why does Ironmouse forces her accent? She spoke normal/neutral a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
We're in a post-niji world. Proof is no longer necessary. Your beliefs are the truth no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661832
what reason is there to be skeptical?

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>>70661819
Anon, you can't be that dumb, obviously if you look at the thumbnail you can see she has an HDMI port on her head.

[Anonymous No.]

I give it like 8 minutes before her buckbroken followers start spamming their AI generated chimpanzee images like it's some kind of own

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>>70662374
You should always be skeptical about things a streamer says. That word doesn't mean to contradict everything with nuh-uh. Just that it's a person telling a story on the fly. Let's say it's all true. Clearly, she is still prone to embellish details or change them.

[Anonymous No.]

miko just fucking DIED

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658710

it's amazing how the main damning fact is posted every single week here and there are still people who don't know. How do they do it bros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658924
>>70660312
Saying she's lying is also a positive claim. She didn't prove her claim, but there's zero proof about which facts she's lying about. Even if you find contradictions, you don't know which statements are false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
>new
She's talked about her port for years

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659386
>even if she really is sick, it's still a grift
Christ almighty

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662521
here, because you mentioned it.

[Anonymous No.]

at this rate she'll start using her daughter for pity points soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662631
>Just that it's a person telling a story on the fly.
Her stories are many, varied, and consistent (she has told several on multiple occasions). She also regularly displays, at a moment's notice, in-depth or niche medical knowledge that would be difficult for anyone without genuine experience to retain. The clip in OP has her explaining how her chest port functions, how it's attached, and a tangent into explaining PICC lines. A little while back she was watching a video about some bizarre medical story, frequently pausing to provide her own anecdotes or commenting on a certain medicine that she's also had to use.

>Clearly, she is still prone to embellish details or change them.
What do you mean "clearly?" What reason do you have to think she's embellishing?

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>>70662912
You realize a condition can worsen over time, especially if not treated properly, right?
It doesn't contradict her story at all and she continues to talk about how she used to do things outside.

[Anonymous No.]

This is just getting ridiculous, IMfags. I'm pretty sure she does NOT have a HDMI port in her forehead. Come on now, you guys will believe anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662912
The "main damning fact" is not damning at all if you have a functional brain

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659156
A lot of you fags actually. Don't you holofags have streams to watch and yacht to sink?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663921
Then what is she wasting her money on if not treatment. I thought she was the #1 western vtuber, if not even her money can buy the best treatment we're truly fucked

[Anonymous No.]

Is Conner ever going to visit her IRL? Kinda shitty for him to fuck whoever he wants and her being bedridden.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664029
She is getting treatment. That's why her condition has been improving.
She lived for many years before streaming. You know that, right? It's during that time when she didn't have money for treatment and her health progressively worsened.

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>>70658502
Still better than anyone in holoshite

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664029
Anon, there's no cure for what she has, her immune system is being kept working by weekly plasma transfusions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663398
Here's a fun game for you anon. Go on x and look for terminally ill/sick/dying vtuber.
Come back with the result. Make sure to create a spreadsheet and share it with everyone. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658710
>She makes the claim
>People ask for proof
>You say no the burden of proof is on the asker?
What are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662912
>It's a real illness
>She was a normie who would have ignored you before the illness
because the actual thing tests how you feel about god and redemption generally. the girl with the huge opera voice would have never knew we existed, that's the true yab. we get an idol but we're also watching god deal with what used to be a terrible person - used to be is key here. cause what could she even want now besides attention? whatever it is, she can't actually have it. I sure hope she isn't fetishizing power for it's own sake because she might get a second lightning bolt from the G-man.

probably not though, I think there's just the one kid who always demands she dox lol

>interpretations in which she gets well
no, it's the bubble for life. it's a germline level error, to give you an idea the second step in a theoretical gene therapy would be cloning of a new fetus post-rewrite. chance of an in-situ therapy is 0. god saw to this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664187
>Go search for this description which matches Mouse
>See?? Gottem

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
She's a superhero with the special power to start dying on demand when her monthly income goes below average.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664187
please explain what the fuck you are trying to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664223
What proof would be enough for you? Just asking

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664236
>random genetic error
>"It was God!"

[Anonymous No.]

I really don't get it, is she dying or has her situation improved. I feel like she's been dying for years now

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659012
Oh is this the portacath thing again? It would make sense that someone on constant medication would have one, since a person's veins get wrecked pretty quickly by constant iv use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664529
She has never been "dying."
Her condition is not terminal. It's chronic.
This is the most basic thing and retards on this board don't know the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664529
she never claimed to be dying

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663918
The empiric experience of streamers lying, the empiric knowledge of people lying and embellishing information, the empiric knowledge that streamers are people, leads reasonable people that are old enough to be on this website, to the inductive conclusion that a streamer is prone to exhibit human behaviour, such as lying and embellishing.

I neither believe or disbelieve her without good reason, and you cannot as a human OR AI convince me that you're not prone to lie or embellish your take for emotional reasons. I will neither believe nor disbelieve your information with good reason beyond your asinine post.
Now, move along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664383
Nothing is enough for these retards lol. Unless she decides to dox herself, these obssessive niggers wont let it go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664383
Even a single thing proving her grift. She claims she has this mythical machine in her room that she is permanently attached to and nobody has ever seen it
That would be a start

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664759
>>70664759
>She claims she has this mythical machine in her room
source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664591
Fancy way to say that streamers are humans.
Do you know what else can happen to happens? They can get sick.
It's not something extraordinary and people do not watch entertainers because they are ill.

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>>70664591
>some people lie and embellish, therefore I have reason to believe [literally anyone] is lying and/or embellishing by default
The deductive reasoning of a lobotomy patient.
It's actually astonishing that you're putting on an air of intelligence when really you just said the stupidest bullshit possible.

[Anonymous No.]

obligatory for new fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_OuKhUXkOU
you can't refute this without sounding like a schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664839
humans* oops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664759
>mythical machine
... It's an oxygen machine
There's nothing mythical about it, it's extremely common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664839
I clearly did it to both lay it out that I've thought about it and to mock the fucking retardation of the response. It's evident that the person I replied to doesn't understand normal human communication.

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>>70664848
You're retarded. Why did I specify inductive and empiric, retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664901
Providing a image of it should be really easy for her then. Until then she is faking her illness judt like every twitch scammer like her has done it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664376
>>70664291
She aint special retards.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember when this board actually unironically believed she was grifting and faking her illness until her irl pic got leaked being bedridden with tubes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664687
Why are you racism anon, I thought VShojo was about diversity and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664970
If your empiric experience leads you to believe it is reasonable to doubt anyone about anything, without any reason related to the individual in question, then you have trust issues.

>>70664996
And why would she post an image of her personal medical equipment?
Furthermore, how would that prove anything?
I can see the shitposts now. "There's no proof this is her room" or "it's not her machine, this is just in a hospital."

Until you braindead husks get her medical records you'll never have enough proof.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664917
It's a prudent decision to not believe everything you hear, true.
However accusing somebody of lying with only nebulous accusations doesn't help anybody and just makes you seem like an asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665043
OK
And?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665088
Go back to twitter nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665173
So edgy and brave

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665128
I can post my crypto wallet here, say that I have terminal breast cancer and that you should donate bitcoin to me. Are you going to believe me right away and do it just because I said so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665128
What does inductive mean, and why did you call inductive reasoning deductive? You're dumb.

>>70665138
So you agree with me but you don't comprehend language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665166
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
>watching ironmouse sleep content

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>>70659386
>She is sick and is using it as kayfabe

That isn't how those words work anon, the latter suggests a falsified act, the former is simply a state of being.
To be honest she is a shrill-voiced chubby latina which is an extremely unpleasant creature to be around, one of the most in fact, but you can just say that instead of going on a schizo theory about how it's all a LARP. Sometimes you can use your big boy words and actually say what you're thinking, especially here, instead of trying to wrap us all up in your PSYOP to rally people against her.

[Anonymous No.]

>Wants us to believe she's still sick
>posting the one stream where she explains more about being sick will get you banned
What did ironjannies mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665323
>chubby
what

[Anonymous No.]

never forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
can you fuck her port? asking for connor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665257
>terminal breast cancer
Well, no, I wouldn't believe that

>>70665278
>The term Inductive reasoning is used to refer to any method of reasoning in which broad generalizations or principles are derived from a body of observations
>broad generalizations
Do you not see how this is a completely retarded basis to form a disbelief in individuals?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665257
And just like that the shills are gone never to be seen again until the next thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665278
I do agree with you, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
Well anon you see, if you're sick you better shut the fuck up about it and not say anything or you're just pity baiting :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665436
Gravity is a broad genralization. Atoms are a broad generalization. In fact almost everything you believe is a broad generalization. Why do you insist on being a dumbass?

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>>70659044
Benefit of doubt anon. Accusations don't get that. I know that's a bit difficult for someone with the mental capacity of an eight year old but that's how the world works. You do not demand every statement be proven, that'd be absurd, reasonable doubt is the first step there. With accusations it's the opposite, you need to come prepared with some shred of evidence before it's plausible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665436
So what you are saying is that Pomu is lying about her condition? Huh, weird thing to do when you are a advocate to believe all people with illnesses unconditionally

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665541
>Gravity is a broad genralization. Atoms are a broad generalization.
You may actually be the dumbest person on this board right now.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, hasn't she done fundraising for the charity for the thing she has multiple times, while saying that she used to be a beneficiary of theirs? Isn't something the charity could and would trivially verify? And if it wasn't actually true they'd have distanced themselves from her super hard to avoid getting caught in the inevitable backlash?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659012
That's not the only hole she's shown to Connor.

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>>70665688
I don't doubt she's sick or that she's telling the truth but charities and grifting go hand in hand and they tend to just turn a blind eye to that kind of shit if it happens. This is not the strong claim you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665644
Did Pomu say it was terminal? First time I'm hearing that.
You know breast cancer is the most survivable form of cancer, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665688
yep but retards will still do some mental gymnastics to try and "prove" she is still lying
>>70665757
like this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
when people post screenshots like this that intentionally leave out upload date i just clock it as bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665651
It's true though. If that rocks your world, I'm sorry. I'm saying that any skepticism afforded to a person should be extended to a streamer. Try to make that case without generalization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665757
>some characters were grifts, therefore all of them are

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665323
I'm pretty sure kayfabe does not intrinsically suggest that an act is falsified. An easy example would be relationships, romantic kayfabe, and actual romantic relations. Not even larping, I just don't believe that she's sick. I could be wrong but I don't really care either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665757
That's exactly why they wouldn't put up with it. Grifters fucking hate other grifters..

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664591
>word salad that dances around the point without actually addressing any of the key issues
bravo anon, either you have the skills to grift harder than you claim Ironmouse does, or you're a politician in real life
I wanted to believe in this shit but your side provides zero logic for your claims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665764
So you are saying that Pomu is lying. Glad we confirmed that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665764
neither did mouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665792
You should apply some elementary-school level reading comprehension at the very least anon. I've suggested the exact opposite to the idea that she is lying. The only thing being disputed there was whether or not charities not calling out their donors can be considered proof, and due to tons of existing precedent that's just not the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665822
That post is mocking people like you, actually. Glad you felt it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665800
You are not being skeptical. You are doubting people without any actual reason to do so.
You're telling George he's lying about his dad being dead because 5 years ago in a different city Sarah lied to you that her car was broken and she couldn't hang out.
That's your argument here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL8dR1xgZn0
>12 hours ago
It's kinda old for shitposting, OP getter get his shitposting game faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665764
I always know that bitch is a lying whore. Thanks anon for confirming that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665829
No, that's not what I said.
I believe she had breast cancer.
I do not believe you telling me that it was terminal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665871
>I was pretending to be retarded
wow anon you're so smart, you did it so perfectly

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665397
>screenshot of post from official ironmouse twitter account
>jannies delete it
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665874
No, you are illiterate. This started from me explicitly saying that that's dumb. Just accept that you were a retard and move on if you're trying to twist it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665812
Not what I said. Why are you this illiterate anon?
>>70665817
Quite the opposite. But that's not the point. The point is that this doesn't *prove* anything either way, charities turning a blind eye to donors isn't anything new or special so saying 'the charity would have called her out' is nonsense.

There's still zero proof that she's making shit up and it's a ridiculous claim to make in the first place, but that's no excuse to clamour to nonsensical narratives as some form of 'proof'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
The actual truth is that she is a millionaire, so if she was sick once but is now cured or was never truly as sick or not sick as she claims none of that matters because she has your fuckin money (no refunds).

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665929
It's not pretending anything, it's mocking in tone, not informational content. Glad you felt it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665948
Anon. Go back to school. Finish elementary school at least before ever talking online again, and before you go look up the word 'chronic' and maybe understand why you look like such a fucking retard right now.

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that not one of the DOZENS of people who know she's faking it won't come forward and speak the truth is so frustrating. Ironmouse IS NOT sick. She has climbed to the top of vtubing based on a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665934
Wonder if they got warned/banned and if so what reason was used

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665939
>This started from me explicitly saying that that's dumb
You waffled for an entire post about how streamers are humans and humans lie, therefore you can't trust anything a streamer says.

That's your position. That's your logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665948
Giving money to vtubers? Giving money to streamers? Fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665918
I dont know about you but her talking about all the family members that died because of it sounds pretty terminal to me.
Unless of course, you claim that she is lying. Are you going to ask for proof of their death or something so that you can confirm yourself that shes not lying?
Finally you can see the same way we do with Ironmouse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666010
>The fact that not one of the DOZENS of people who know she's faking it won't come forward and speak the truth
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665988
>make claim
>provide zero proof
You're infinitely more foolish than a woman claiming to be terminally ill to cash out on simps. Did you miss the part where I wanted to buy into your stupid theory? Glad you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666019
Just accept that you're retarded. Read the chain to the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666010
>No one leaks anything
>Hmmm might this mean there isn't anything to leak?
>NO! Surely they're all just frustratingly holding back! REEEEEEEEEE
Bruh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665934
Ironmouse and Mori of all people have insane protection from the moderation team. You can't even send posts containing demondlce (mori's old persona)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666088
My theory is that you should neither believe or disbelieve. What are you selling in response?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666080
Well, I'm not claiming that she's lying, is the thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666123
I don't blame them. Just look at all the threads about mouse and mori, you will see how many ppl hate them and want to dox them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666123
Oh you can actually. New rule says that PL threads are allowed
>>70447573
>>70440688
You can even spam the thread with dox, their relatives and pictures of their weddings

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666231
what a fucking joke of a site

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665614
Moving the goalposts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666002
Yikes sister, you seem to have missed the part where I don't give a fuck.

Gas all twitchtards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666021
Ironlung isn't a vtuber sweatums.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666267
What goalposts? I explained a basic concept to you, I'm not even arguing a point to have a goal in the first place.

You might want to sort yourself out anon, you're such a mess that you just automatically spout retarded internet memes without thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666380
>Get BTFO
>"Uhhh... uuhhmmm errr.... I DONT CARE OKAY!?!"
Bruh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666415
>you should trust people in general
>but I'm not going to trust you so you need to show evidence
>because there are now special rules which I did not mention before

[Anonymous No.]

can someone give her an award already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666474
She has too much already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
And no one will do anything. You fags are such gay cowardd

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658710
>you are making a claim and show zero proof
So just like Ironmouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666413
What do you mean? Then who is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
>I refuse to go look at the doxx the kiwifags have so it isn't real.
Please stop being this much of a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666562
so just like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666462
>you should trust people in general
Nothing said about trust, pay attention and stop inventing narratives.
>but I'm not going to trust you so you need to show evidence
'Trust' again doesn't apply. A basic requirement for an accusation is proof.

Lets go with a childish example for a childish mind: If someone tells you it's raining outside, it's not reasonable to assume they're lying or demand some 'proof' before you grab an umbrella. Unless there is some precedent that causes distrust people will just take regular claims at face value. You cannot function socially if you doubt every claim or every claim needs to be proven prior to taking action. Imagine you called 911 and the operator asks you for proof that you are indeed bleeding to death and they need to send an ambulance. The entire premise you're trying to push there is laughably absurd.

Conversely, accusations require proof. If someone could just make the accusation that you're lying and everyone acts on that without verification you'd just get two people pointing fingers back and forth claiming the other is lying, that makes no sense whatsoever and is again laughably absurd to suggest as a default.

>because there are now special rules which I did not mention before
It shouldn't surprise me some headcase on 4chan doesn't know the basics of social interaction, but god damn dude that's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666657
>Nothing said about trust, pay attention and stop inventing narratives.
>>70658789
>you should just people in general unless you have some means to not trust them otherwise
>>to not TRUST them otherwise
>>TRUST

Yeah now you're just making shit up and I'm not reading the rest of your post since you're not replying in good faith

[Anonymous No.]

I love her chutzpah. It has to be sociopathic at this point to stick to and even escalate the lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666657
She streams for 12+ hours a day for most of the week. Yet she claims to be constantly ill. Where does she get the energy with such little sleep? How has it not led to complications if she's constantly exhausting herself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666790
Streaming isn't hard Hasan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666123
>Ironmouse and Mori of all people have insane protection from the moderation team
>team
Nah. One janny is obsessed with whiteknighting for Ironmouse and another is obsessed with whiteknighting for Mori. The other jannies don't care about Ironmouse and Mori at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666790
I mean that's all she can do so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666799
Streaming 60+ hours a week with a chronic illness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666080
>>70666165
Pomu never said she had breast cancer. She said her family has a history of breast cancer, so she had the surgery done as preventative measure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666790
drugs

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665948
Anon, not everything can be cured, even with lots of money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666726
In case it wasn't incredibly obvious yet, you're talking about two different people you dense fuck. How the fuck did you not notice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666628
>so just like you.
And that's the whole point. Ironmouse has never shown any proof that she's sick. There's also no proof that she isn't sick. However, the burden of proof is on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666869
60+ hours a week? damn, does she even go outside lol?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666790
It's simply the power of being Latina
You can't stop her

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666908
Anon, how exactly did you somehow expect me to realize that you're a different person to the person I replied to? This is an anonymous imageboard. I have no fucking clue if a new person replies to me unless you fucking say NTA, are you fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666790
Bruh what the fuck is this armchair doctoring? Have you even watched her streams? Most of what she seems to do is react to shit and play basic ass vidya that your grandmother could do.

Genuinely asking anyone who watches her frequently, when was the last time she did anything actually challenging? I think I've seen her do nothing beside palworld, minecraft (and mostly just chatting) and some meme voice control game that is just shouting at a screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666905
Tell that to Magic Johnson, you helmet wearing retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666842
this is called abuse and if anyone gave a fuck they would be ousted

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666955
Obviously, she doesn't go outside, but why would an immunocompromised person regularly exhaust their immune system?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666917
Did you give money to her bc of her illness? If not then why would she give any proof for you retard. And if you did, you can ask for refund retard. Like who give a fuck about proof or no. She a fucking VTUBER. SHE DOESNT EVEN SHOW HER FACE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666992
You think people just randomly change their writing style and grammar? You think in a public forum you're having private one-on-one discussions? I'm not surprised you'd be so out of touch but still a bit disappointed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667014
sounds like she deserves an award for her content!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667051
You think people havent tried? Have fun sending feedback or arguing with them on IRC

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667014
She played Metal Gear Rising a few months ago
I dunno if you'd count Helldivers but she's been playing that a lot recently

But no, she is not really the challenge gamer. Aside from her not being super skilled, she has carpal tunnel which makes more demanding games harder to play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665323
Don't forget she's over 30 and has a teenage kid she used to post about before vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667090
You really think I care enough about your post to notice changes in writing style and grammar of some nigger on a Mongolian basket weaving form?
What kind of autism do you have?

There's a reason people across all of 4chan use NTA when replying to someone who didn't reply to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667094
Not sure what this meme is about given awards are just dumb popularity contests. Last time I saw an award show all she won was the generic categories like 'best streamer' or some shit and nothing specific.

Mousey seems to just mostly do random nonsense with her community and be a generally positive public figure, so that should come as no surprise.

If you want another example of laughable rewards remember that Gura got an award for streaming in 2023, where she barely even streamed at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667208
>I'm dense and inattentive and I'd need to pay close attention to notice obvious shit
Yes. We know you're mentally deficient, you don't need to keep hammering that point anon.

[Anonymous No.]

People here are too young to remember that wheelchair grifter during the early twitch days that just stood up on stream one day after farming pity donations for years.

You dumbfucks can't even comprehend that a grift doesn't necessarily have to be based on a complete lie.
Yes, she can be sick, but she can also choose to not mention it and farm pity points all the fucking time.
When you base most of your success on dramatizing your living conditions, that's a choice.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>70667285
>Why don't you pay more attention to my posts, you're upsetting my feelings

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667014
Don’t you dare talk shit about Lifeline
But other than karaoke which is a proof of her improving over and over again. You are right, there’s like a lot that she doesn’t do, she has organized stuff around like the tournaments, the community events and other stuff. Purely simple vidya and react, which the second part is mainly at fault that for years she didn’t invest on a PC, but her audience loves it more than vidya that she loves to play now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667292
Trying new strat now? Kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666917
>Accused of a crime
>Prove you are innocent of said crime
Nta but this is literally what your argument amounts to. In the real world the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. Those who make the claim that she is grifting have the burden of proof to prove it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667292
>she can also choose to not mention it
Yeah that's what she tried to do when she started, but because of her condition limiting her stream hours (she would go offline to take her meds, which happens every couple of hours) and her machines being audible through her shitty mic, eventually there was no point in hiding it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667372
I'm a new IP newfag, try harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667292
>One guy robbed me and now everyone I meet is probably a robber
That's some real headcase logic there anon, and you don't even have the excuse of trauma in your case.
>B-but pity baitiiiiing!???
Take your meds buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667315
i really don't understand what people think they are accomplishing posting doxx. This is not the farms faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667386
so her situation improved since she can stream all day now, glad she's not dying anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667414
How is it even doxx when it's from her own twitter account?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667414
>post on her main vtubing account
>dox
I... what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667340
>Oh shit I got told
>Better just make shit up to sperg out about
Bruh. Why are you talking about feelings now? Are you ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667428
Please for the love of God learn the difference between chronic and terminal.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm i the only one watching her because of her models? This girl has way too many models lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662056
I believe this post due to the events of february 5, 2024.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667451
Anon, why do you think people use NTA frequently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667446
>>70667447
can you guys please read the pinned thread. The only rule this board have and still you guys fail to follow it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667292
if grifting is so common and widespread you wouldn't have to bring up a case from over 10 fucking years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667460
I don't watch her, partly because she has too many models. I just want some comfy consistency. I want to be reassured that at the end of the day, my oshi will be there and she will be as she always was

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667516
So shes not a vtuber?
Alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667485
>Why do retards do retarded things? t. a retard
Gee. I wonder. NTA has always been a newfag thing that copies reddit's retarded /s garbage to spoonfeed retards and it can fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667447
Wow, Ironmouse was a vtuber in 2012?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667560
>I am much smarter and more superior than everyone

ah sasuga based retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667552
nigga you guys are posting info from 2011 way before she was a vtuber. How much retard can you be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667581
>I got told again so I should probably invent another narrative to sperg out about
Your one trick is getting kinda stale anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667572
The interview with her talking about the same thing using her model is also a ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667597
13 years ago. Holy fuck I'm old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667516
I don't care what the pinned thread says, you used the word doxx completely wrong

Posting information on your main account is not a doxx

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667540
>I want to be reassured that at the end of the day, my oshi will be there and she will be as she always was
Interesting take. Does this mean that the status of your oshi partly depend on the model that is being used then? If your oshi were to change models would they no longer be your oshi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667664

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>>70667714

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667664
go, find this post on her acc NOW. Also, she wasn't vtuber in 2011.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667667
mouse changes her models like changing clothes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667750
And? That has nothing to do whether or not it is a doxx.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667667
Dunno about Oshi status or whatnot but newer models can definitely make someone harder to watch. I remember looking at Shylily's new model and the mouth is so awkward that it's hard to look at. Probably not something that's going to bother most people but there's always a bit of a risk in removing or changing the things that drew people in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667742

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667742
>and without their consent
She posted this info, on her vtuber account, of her own volition

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667087
>If not then why would she give any proof for you
To prove she isn't a scam artist. Because there's currently there's no indication that she isn't a scam artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667742
>without their consent
They published it themselves. Referencing is not republishing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667750
By your logic, posting any deleted tweet by anybody is doxxing.
Should we hire personal jannies for every vtuber to police what they deem acceptable to be shared from their own public social media accounts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667667
It does partly depend. I am emotionally connected to how she looks because that's what I am used to and if she switched her models, I would feel like I lost someone even though it is the same person. Models, especially through rigging, can amplify and subdue someone's character traits. When I think about my oshi, I think of her model, so if she were to change her model I would get a lot of whiplash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667792
>You should disprove any and all accusations made against you! Surely that will get people to stop accusing you of random shit so they get information on you! :^)
>There's no indication she isn't a scam artists, just like there's no indication I don't eat my own shit while my dad fucks me in the ass
You're genuinely retarded anon. Stop talking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667792
Burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667793
She wasn't a vtuber in 2012 retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
wait is she dying or is she becoming a robot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667879
And?

You can't rescind consent of a public statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667879
Then don't use the same account as your vtuber persona's official account retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667879
She talked about the same thing in 2018 as a vtuber, but it still gets banned for doxx.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667894
are you blind or something? she had an hdmi port installed, it's in a thumbnail so it must be true

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667844
>2011
>personal information
"Please note that discussion should pertain to a VTuber's streams and content, and should not pertain to their real lives, relationships, or appearances ("IRL")."

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667292
Except that when she started she tried not to speak about it too much, eventually people started wondering and she told the truth. When she eventually made the leap into Twitch she still did a few things to cover some stuff to make it appealing like calling her devices with a name, calling plasma Lava and I think she also used to say something about her lore, eventually it again hit a breaking point and went public to explain a lot of shit and she’s completely transparent.

Your logic with the wheelchair guy goes completely out of the window when you really compare the cases, Mouse is someone chronically ill with several other diseases caused by her main affliction. Not once she has made an error of either listing them or explain a certain symptom of one of them that isn’t known about making her case rather unique, you would also have to add the fact that her medical knowledge is really up there (explained by her experience) to what a nurse of her specific case would know and that shit ain’t easy my mother is a nurse and besides knowing some shit, I didn’t knew up to Mouse’s level until I search out and had to dig a lot, coupled with the fact that grifters usually care about themselves but Mouse has given a lot of money both to charity, her own chat and artists. This is quite literally a different case from sitting in a wheelchair and telling everyone his legs aren’t working, and asking for money while doing Jack shit.

Also, for that whole “web of lies” over years even when nobody watched and she was a nobody on Twitter, you would have to be someone so meticulously careful and actually smart, thing that I doubt the girl who once said she would connect her phone to the pc by a “internet cable”, is actually capable of doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667944
keep posting, keep getting banned and keep whining about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667852
That's not really how i look at vtubers but i ain't gonna say that's not valid. For me mouse's models are great and i like how they provide a wide array of looks while still looking and feeling like mouse. Obviously though i do have some personal favs

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667855
The burden of proof is on her.

>>70667871
The burden of proof is on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667947
Social media is part of a VTuber/Influencer's content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668010
yeah? Post some pics from kson irl stream, let see what will happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668006
I think we have different feelings towards vtubers. I'm extremely parasocial and vtubers are more than entertainment for, they form part of my emotional stability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668007
But who did she accuse? I'm confused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667996
So you think that the video of her interview as a vtuber would still be considered doxx?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668038
Kson is not a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668007
Kek are you fucking retarded? You claim she is lying (which is an accusation). Burden of proof is on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668069
It's not. Post it to see what happen kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668069
why don't you post it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668057
Ironmouse is the one asserting that Ironmouse is sick. Therefore the burden of proof is squarely on her. It doesn't help matters that she keeps getting better and better despite supposedly having a degenerative illness.

>>70667947
Hi Ironmouse janny. You'll always be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668069
Do it for us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668183
seethe sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668051
Well atleast you are aware of that anon but i would work on changing that. Extreme parasociality isn't healthy. Good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668057
If you want to look at it as accuser and accused, she is both the accuser and accused. She claimed that she has a chronic illness. The burden of proof would be on her for making the initial claim. It should be obvious, since it's not possible for anyone else to provide evidence that she actually has a disease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667292

not all wheelchair users are wheelchair bound, regardless if the grifter didnt mention it, its not really a lie, just cause people were too fucking retarded to know how physical disabilities worked.

And thinking she's got popular cause shes grifting is even more retarded if you looked into the vtuber boom from covid, etc. She's literally the pewdiepie of vtubers in the sense that she was doing the right thing at the right time and got lucky from there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668127
>You claim she is lying
I'm not claiming she's lying. It appears you're the retarded one, sadly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668206
>no argument
I accept your surrender

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668274
seethe harder lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668183
But if she doesnt show proof, what are you gonna do? Nothing. And nothing will happen. So, why does she need show proof? She doesnt accuse anyone. Like what's the point? Who care if some ppl on 4chan dont believe her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668218
She claims to have an illness and used it to signal boost her charity subathon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668183
an assertion is not an accusation

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668211
>She claimed that she has a chronic illness. The burden of proof would be on her for making the initial claim.
This only applies to when the claim is disputed. That is not the case. There is an accusation without proof and that is not a dispute. How do you not understand this basic shit anon?

If your take here is "I don't believe she is sick" then good for you? Be as doubtful as you want, you don't have to take things at face value but it's odd to be skeptical without rationale or reason. If you want to say she's genuinely lying/grifting or whatever then you'd need at least some kind of argumentation or proof to back up that accusation. You don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668375
Isn't that a good thing tho? Why are you mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668211
She is not the accuser since she makes no accusation you absolute retard. An accusation is a claim that someone has committed a wrong. Her saying she is sick isn't an accusation. However saying she isn't sick is an accusation since it's claiming she is lying about her sickness (accused of committing a wrong)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
>I'm a bubble girl guys pwease believe me
>Is a mother

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668383
>an assertion is not an accusation
Not by default, no. But we're not talking about just an assertion, we're talking about an assertion of wrongdoing. If you feel there is a significant difference to kvetch about feel free, but you should probably take your medication if that's the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668375
That’s a good thing tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668222
That is clearly your intent

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668510
go to bed kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668446
>There is an accusation without proof and that is not a dispute
How exactly does one prove a negative?

It's perfectly logically sound for some to ask for proof of someone claiming illness. When your boss asks for a sick note, do you tell him that he can't do that because that's an accusation without proof?

[Anonymous No.]

it's so sad that monkeys can't afford fast enough internet to actually watch streams or clips so they only consume vtubing content through thumbnails and viewership graphs

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668446
>This only applies to when the claim is disputed. That is not the case.
Are you assuming that only she can dispute the claim?
>it's odd to be skeptical without rationale or reason
Person who says they're sick for personal gain turns out to be lying. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668510
yeah how did this one happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668510
The first thing you want to do with a genetic defect is to spread your genes according to /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668516
>we're talking about an assertion of wrongdoing
How is her asserting she is sick an assertion of wrongdoing?

[Anonymous No.]

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO she HAS to show me her entire medical history!
>so I can hunt her down and ki-I MEAN verify that she's faking it!
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668332
>why does she need show proof?
Because there's no proof that she's actually sick and isn't a scam artist which is why an increasing number of people think she's a scam artist. If I were her I'd make an effort to prove it at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668516
>we're talking about an assertion of wrongdoing
no you accused her of wrongdoing

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668547
You are not her boss retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668621
So if I was her boss, it is now logically sound of me to ask for proof of her medical illness she claims?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668605
>increasing number of people think she's a scam artist
Like who? You and some retards on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668547
If you make an accusation that you can't prove that's on you mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668605
>increasing number of people
increasing number of retarded number monkeys*

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668605
man... Go find a job, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668658
But you aren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668526
No it isn't, Ironmouse janny you low IQ monkey retard. I'm simply pointing out the fact that there's no proof that she's sick and the burden of proving it is on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
I mean even if it is, she's donating a ton to charity and raising awareness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668692
>If you make an accusation that you can't prove that's on you mate
It's not an accusation, it's a request of proof for a claim. If you cannot provide proof of your claim, there's no logical reason to believe the claim is truthful

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is kinda dumb. We can speculate all day, but no one has the fact one way or the other.

[Anonymous No.]

As a true Holochad, I push over people in wheelchairs (they start moving again so they're all faking it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668753
She's donating money that she hasn't made public or commented on in months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668731
Why does it matter? Standards of logic don't change based on my position within the employment hierarchy

[Anonymous No.]

Ironglung simps and logical fallacies. Name a more iconic duo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668683
>>70668696
>>70668711
Now this is what actual seethe looks like

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668605
There's no proof that you are a retard aside from your interventions that are consistent and coherent with the claim that you are a retard.

So it's actually very likely that you are one, without you having to leak your 2-digits IQ test result

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668851
>ESL projecting
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668846
more like pity...

[Anonymous No.]

I broke into the hospital and started beating the crap out of the ICU patients (they were all faking it because I couldn't get into their charts) (the police arrested me because they're IMcucks that were paid to cover it up)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668799
Dunno, considering she's part of VShojo I genuinely would not be surprised if something came out, but for right now I really doubt she's lying. Especially considering she was the only one of the group to apologize to Nux over the false accusations Mel and Nyanners did.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Ironmouse the virgin mother?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668851
>[post containing no proof that Ironmouse is sick]
cool story bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668820
>Why does it matter?
Bc you dont matter buddy. That's a hard truth ik. But if you aren't someone with power to enforce, your opinions dont matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668994
So you're claiming that logical standards change based on power to enforce your will?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668975
Even her doc advised her getting fucked so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668820
It does, if you were her boss. Then yeah, understandable. You as a viewer are just a client, if you don’t wanna buy because you don’t trust the product, don’t buy it. Your analogy is flawed for that, you don’t have anything to really make her be like in that case where you are someone, you are a nobody, she doesn’t case that unique anon #27 doesn’t believe her.

[Anonymous No.]

the janny patrolling this thread is doing so much work. they should have their salary tripled!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
>new
she has talked about her chest port in the past many times, mostly as a joke reference that her tits are too big and it makes it hard to access it
you're just a clip watching monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669053
There isn't anything as hard-coded logical standard bc standard is always changing base on your location, your position, your sex, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Ironjanny so buttblasted that he deletes every negative reply now. KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669097
You don't understand how logic works then.

Logic is universally applicable, it does not matter what position you hold. Your boss telling you that 2+2=5 doesn't actually make 2+2=5, it's still 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
She ain't dying anytime soon so idc. Now if her body is slowly deteriorating from her sickness and we can actually see signs of it getting worse over time until she can barely stream anymore... that'd be something. Don't get me wrong, I'd like her to get better but this pity party is quite annoying now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668963
I'm confused because she said that 100% of her merch sales during the subathon would be donated, but it was never announced what that number would be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669199
>There isn't anything as hard-coded logical standard bc standard is always changing base on your location, your position, your sex, etc.

What? Then you don't understand logic then because logic is universal. Like I said to the other anon, 2+2 doesn't suddenly equal anything but 4 based on your location, position or sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
>milord le retard de vox akuma issued an order of
>keep fighting the good fight
>sister are now using mouse to shit the board
>to derail the getting kicked out of offkai

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665257
If you stream nearly daily for 6 years without any slip up and have friends, coworkers and people who you are not on good terms with corraborating your story, then yes, I will believe you.
Hell, at that point, you deserve your money, even if it was a grift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658626
>uhhhh yes as a total internet rando and stranger to her I feel ENTITLED she posts her medical documents on stream as PROOF

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669222
>>70669264
Your logic is based on an analogy that doesn’t make sense in her case between you and her, debate club leader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669222
If you still want to work there, then yes, you have to accept 2+2=5. That's simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669337
No it isn't?

The logic is based off the burden of proof. It is perfectly logically sound that if someone makes a claim of illness, that they own the burden of proof of that illness and if they wish for others to not criticise the veracity of their claim, to provide proof of that claim. Therefore it is not illogical to request said proof because that isn't an accusation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669258
I meant about her disability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669342
Your boss asserting it and you believing it doesn't make it so anon, being obtuse is just annoying btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669264
brother if someone's holding a gun on my head and say 2+2=5, then 2+2=5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669314
>>70669337
>>70669342
The burden of proof will always be on Ironmouse because she's the one making the original claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669342
Anon, that's not logic then. You can believe whatever you want, but logic has fundamental and universal rules that don't care what you actually believe because no matter how hard you try, a customer giving you $2 and then another $2, will never, under any circumstances give you $5. I don't think you actually understand logic isn't just a word or a concept, it's an complete school of philosophy with immutable characteristics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669481
You might say 2+2=5 to get out of the situation, but if you continue to believe 2+2=5, you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669507
Nah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669507
>the burden of proof will always be on zentranny to prove she is a woman to collab with nerissa

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669481
And?

Simply because you or someone else believes 2+2=5 doesn't actually make 2+2=5. Belief != reality. You can't will into existence the idea that 2+2=5 because it's not logically possible, you would be completely dismissing the very foundations of mathematics which is a logic based discipline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669507
the burden of proof is on the accuser

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669568
Yeah that's why i said position matters you fucking moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669666
The burden of proof is on the person who made the original claim.

If I claim the earth is flat then you say no it isn't. Who has to provide proof, you or me?

[Anonymous No.]

I think the pseudointellectuals in this thread should look up occam's razor

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669725
If it's common knowledge that you're trying to disprove: You.
Otherwise: Them.

In this case, the burden of proof is on Ironmouse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669670
At no point would you actually believe that 2+2=5. You would merely be saying it to appease the aggressor, which isn't the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669725
You can claim you are retarded and i'll believe it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669745
Occam's Razor is a rule of thumb when you are stuck without further evidence, not that you should draw your conclusion from it and never pursue the truth afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669793
>when you are stuck without further evidence
hmm

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669745
occam's razor doesn't apply if others have been outed for lying about similar things. not saying she is, but people definitely have a right to think so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668038
>>70668089
>newfags is still discussing this after 3 years.
They could do their reps and save themselves the embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669815
I'm not someone who is accusing her of being a grifter if that's what you're implying. I'm calling out people who think that everybody should just shut up and believe her. There's nothing wrong with pursuing the further truth especially when it does directly impact whether or not people give money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669880
sure buddy, here some peanuts

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>>70669889

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>>70669507
>>70669439
>Burden of Proof
Man you parrots are annoying
Her declaring she’s has an illness and being transparent about it is not a burden of proof, as the other party isn’t accusing of something when she made the original claim, which is years before she was even a Vtuber. Sure, you might want to play the card that nowadays that can be a burden of proof because she’s getting accused of for example “aren’t you dying”, but even in that case Mouse is at a reasonable doubt with them, as they have insufficient evidence to prove the claim she was dying. You have no stakes, and anyone that has done his reps beyond the shit you see getting spammed from 12 year olds, would tell you that even if she wasn’t accused she was being fully transparent back then.

Hell, let’s play into your own law shit since you are parroting like an idiot, I as a witness of “her party”, can testify that this story (the one in the OP) is a well known story, adding the fact that Mouse has, in multiple occasions, mention multiple ports, one of them being in her left side of chest, this one being one that scarred her. As a witness, I can corroborate that story because someone dox her well over the years, and there’s actual documentation of that being the case, having seen the proof myself (as in a picture with a wound in her chest and declaring that was the scar on a private account in a social media). She isn’t lying, and going back to this >>70669309 and adding, if she was fucking able to stab herself in the chest just for a grift, then again she deserves the money she’s grifting, or she’s actually telling the truth dumbass. No, I did not save the picture, I’m no freak, I like you but less retarded and more efficient look into it and found the proof I need it, and having not detected any lies so far in her condition.

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>>70670247
>Her declaring she’s has an illness and being transparent about it is not a burden of proof
Yes it is. I have no reason to believe her claims of illness unless proof is provided. It would purely come down to my own personal biases whether or not I chose to believe she is sick or not.

> I as a witness of “her party”
And who the fuck are you? Why should I trust anything you have to say? Simply because you claim to be trustworthy whilst posting no evidence of anything you say? Now you're just adding in more claims that need to be proven because just like you can claim whatever you want with no evidence, I can as easily claim I am actually IronMouse and I am a lying about my illness. No I will not post proof.

See how retarded you are?

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>>70669889
generally, in the complete absence of evidence, people who continue to pursue unsupported claims are touted as loonies
perhaps the simple answer that she's really sick and she's not conning the charity that constantly sings her praise as an ambassador, that she's not acting when she consistently retells the same stories over 6+ years, that the medical equipment you can hear in the background of her old streams aren't just a plant to fool you, that she's not "acting" when she's clearly having a rough time when she was without her plasma in the past or when she's high as a fucking kite daily from her meds, is the better one

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>>70670247
>if she was fucking able to stab herself in the chest
How do you know this even took place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669943
Cope

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>>70670425
>in the complete absence of evidence, people who continue to pursue unsupported claims are touted as loonies
This is a contradictory statement. If there is a complete absence of evidence, then both claims are unsupported and everyone who takes one side or the other is a loonie

>perhaps the simple answer that she's really sick
I believe you but that doesn't remove any burdens of proof and does not make people wrong for requesting further proof

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>>70670486
there's enough proof beyond reasonable doubt

[Anonymous No.]

>>70670548
Then can you show us this proof?

[Anonymous No.]

Damn, you guys haven't done yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70670579
>>70670425

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>>70670548
No there isn't. People have grifted for longer and harder than IronMouse ever has. Your proof comes down to circumstantial evidence that can be replicated with sound clips and acting. That's not beyond reasonable doubt.

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>>70670445
Again, in that post she mentions being a scar of her old port. It was a deep wound but one healed. A story she has also told before being the case. The stab is an exaggeration of an example that could only explain that scars and we aren’t talking about a simple scar you make yourself when you cut yourself. We are talking about a fucking chunk of skin and issue fucking gone, the other one could be a fucking bullet scar for example, but given the position, which would actively be around her left chest, it would have pierced her fucking lung, which would have let to probably pneumothorax after recovery

[Anonymous No.]

god you guys are retarded and not even the endearing kind

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>>70670486
You're implying that "evidence" only exists as a signed medical document saying "Iron M. Mouse has CVID" when in reality actions support the claim too. The side without evidence is the one saying she's faking it, they are loons.

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>>70670812
Hey Ironjanny, these people are talking about flesh scars from some doxx and they're not getting deleted, because they're defending your queen, but posts mentioning her OWN OFFICIAL TWITTER PAGE got nuked?
Very good job here, enjoy the raise!

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>>70670486
Did your oshi provide evidence that she doesn't have a bf?

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>>70670935
Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial. There's no irrefutable proof of her illness and until there is, you cannot claim that people are in the wrong for requesting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70670971
still crying kek

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>>70670986
You can't prove a negative anon and she's never claimed to be single

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>>70671027
I don't think you know what circumstantial means. That's not circumstantial evidence, its character evidence.

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>>70670420
The burden of proof would be on you in the first case, as you would have to present evidence she’s faking it. Her having declared and being transparent isn’t to prove to anyone, if you are being a lunatic and so obtuse about it, that’s besides the point

And as for the second part, I just said it simply as I have told you, I have done my actual reps and found nothing, I ended up finding more proof of corroborating her story.

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>>70668902
I mean, really, you fucks going full schizo mode over someone that, until now, had a consistent behavior with what she claimed over a long-ass fucking time is really completely retarded, this thread showed that some anons here either full blown invented shit or don't know anything about actual medicine

But actually I'm out, seeing you blabbering about burden of proof (nijisister type of reasoning, so completely retarded) is not even funny

It's simple, either she tells the truth and you guys are retarded schizoids (which isn't exactly a scoop anyway) or she's the biggest con artist of the century that had somehow fooled herself over her own lies to the point of looping back into being actually coherent

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>>70671109
Character evidence is circumstantial evidence nignog

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>>70671119
>he burden of proof would be on you in the first case, as you would have to present evidence she’s faking it.
I didn't make the original claim, so no I don't.

>Her having declared and being transparent isn’t to prove to anyone
Yes I know. That doesn't mean anything I can't request evidence?

>I have done my actual reps and found nothing, I ended up finding more proof of corroborating her story.
Like I said, I am actually IronMouse and I am lying about my chronic illness

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The funniest thing about this thread is the guy going "I'm totally not a mouse anti and I agree she's sick but I'm still going to defend lunatics saying otherwise, they kinda have a point"

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>>70671352
Not sure why VShojo fans are so easily baited, not even Mori posts are this easy to farm YOUs.

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>>70671352
I literally don't watch mouse or care about her, but I find faggots like you who think people are schizos for asking for proof of a claim to be the most unbearable cunts on earth

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>>70670971
Did you report it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70671456
You're just a glorified doxxbeggar shut the fuck up lmao

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All I've gathered from this thread is that she literally cannot stop the grift. She's fucked if she does, could you imagine the scandal?
>Famous Vtuber faking chronic illness for profit.
It's career suicide, she has no choice but to keep it going.
Use your brains, why would she throw away her income like that? (not that her whales would give a shit if she revealed the truth, in fact they'd become even bigger whales because they actually could fuck her without her dying)
There is no benefit to be gained from her being truthful besides getting more donations from horny desperate cucks who've watched her from afar gritting their teeth whenever connor is on stream acting lovey dovey with her.
Would be funny though to see her actually have the balls to do it though

[Anonymous No.]

>>70671568
Asking for evidence of claims is being a doxxbeggar now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70671607
ok but why did she start the "grift" on younow in 2017 and continue for 3 years gaining 0 traction before becoming popular? wouldn't she have just given up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70671706
Would you rather gamble until you're famous or become a wagie?

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>>70671607
I'm here enjoying the whole thing because it's hilarious. It's common sense to question things especially if it's similar to what IM is doing but just like scams, basic questions gets people riled up.
Why would such a simple question be so hard to answer? It's like those funeral scams where the moment someone asks where the funeral will take place the scammers start getting defensive. Also funny how people here claim IM being consistent is proof her claims are real when being consistent has always been something scammers do. That's how they get away with it for years kek.
Some of the most successful scams common people can do are always those related to health because anyone who dares to question or not side with them will look evil.

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>>70671960
so you're saying that she was plotting and scheming for an entire decade before she even got popular?

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>>70671960
>Why answering the question is hard
Because it has no end, you guys just want glorified doxxing

>Here it's a photo of my whatever machine
"She's lying it's not her photo"
>Here it's a selfie of me and my tubes"
"This whore is lying it's not her"
>Here a video of me fingering myself with a tube I pulled off from some equipment
"She's loaded with money she bought a whore to do this"

By using the weirdass reasoning you guys are having you can stretch this until fucking infinity

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>>70671960
fake it till you make it

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>>70672243
>you guys just want glorified doxxing
And?

Don't make claims about things if the evidence to prove said claim is going to make you do something you don't want to do. That's not the fault of the people asking for evidence, that's the fault of IronMouse

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>>70672428

>Yes we want her to doxx herself no matter the consequences
Nijisister level of reasoning

Unless you guys manage to do a GURRAT over the fact that she's lying (and don't talk to me about the retarded burden of proof, it's just a way for you guys to avoid admitting that you're pulling everything out of your asses) you'll just appear as the male version of nijisisters (and since no one did after all this time is telling a lot)

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>>70672726
Explain why its my fault for asking for evidence of a claim she made?

Simply because its evidence she doesn't want to reveal isn't my fault.

>(and don't talk to me about the retarded burden of proof, it's just a way for you guys to avoid admitting that you're pulling everything out of your asses
No that's just how logic works. You made a claim? Provide the evidence for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>claim mouse is lying
>provide no evidence for that assertion
>sperg endlessly
such is life

[Anonymous No.]

>>70672926
I'm not claiming she is lying. People are just asking for proof of her condition before believing her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70672861

>Yet again burden of proof because I'm utterly incapable of building a pertinent train of thought, exactly like a nijisister
You claim that she's lying, prove it. Poof, burden of proof. Prove your claim.

I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70672408
she's made something alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>70673278
>You claim that she's lying, prove it.
Asking for proof is not a claim that the other party is lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70673595

>Hi, I ate an apple yesterday
>Proof ?

You're implying that she's lying.
Prove it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658502
with all these ailments, I'd assume she looks like a sickly corpse IRL, like the crypt keeper but female

[Anonymous No.]

>>70673661
A request of proof is not an implication that someone is lying. That is retarded because you're saying that me wanting to prove something is actually me claiming the opposite is true which is not what I'm doing.

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>>70658710
Troll post.