/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

It's over for Twitchtubers. YouTube actually figured out how to place the chatbox right next to the stream. What advantage is there to stream on Twitch now? Twitch's infrastructure is way worse. The performance of the website is trash. Twitch is still struggling to turn a profit and rolling out dumb money-making schemes that everyone hates every other month. And Twitch has no Koreans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>YouTube actually figured out how to place the chatbox right next to the stream.
????????
OP?
The chat box has always been right next to the stream.
Was the chat box... not right next to stream for you? For how long?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>It's over for Twitchtubers.
If it was actually "over" for them they would just switch platforms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
do you watch streams? its been like this for 4/5 days

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
That's always been the case. Also reading chat is fucking gay, you might consider taking permanent residence in reddit from now on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
OP finally bought a second hand 1080p monitor after this CRT 4:3 monitor exploded. Good job!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
Animated emotes and channel point redeems.
What on earth are you talking about? Theater mode always did this.

[Anonymous No.]

Just because you data mobile plan doesn't include twitch doesn't mean it's over for the platform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658376
No it didn't, for me theater mode always put the chat below the stream before today

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>>70658109
oh for fucks sake, i thought i pressed something and fucked it up, i was going insane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658427
That's actually weird. What browser are you using?

[Anonymous No.]

my oshi multicasts to both and youtube is somehow still a worse and less rewarding experience for indies overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658471
Firefox, but I used chrome years ago and it did the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658427
You're right it didn't use to work like that. I think other anons maybe didn't realize they weren't on theater mode, since it's only when you were on theater mode that it used to move the chat to the bottom

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
Stream delay is still garbage on YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658426
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
I agree that Twitch is dogshit, however
Stop using my oshi to shitpost, niggerfaggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658341
>retard doesn't realize YouTube pushes updated to different people at different times

>>70658479
If she multicasts I'd assume she started out as twitch streamer so it's natural twitch audience would be bigger.

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>>70660285
jesus anon you dont need to call me a retard that really hurts...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>And Twitch has no Koreans
Thats a plus.
This is a weeaboo board, we stand with the spirit of the samurai

[Anonymous No.]

>>70660285
She actually started as a youtube streamer, then switched to twitch where she did get a bigger audience, then started multicasting mainly so she could automatically archive her VODs on her youtube channel. Still keeps getting hit with random copyright claims and weird kids using mom's ipad in chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>What advantage is there to stream on Twitch now?
Discoverability.
Finding new streamers on Youtube is nearly impossible without manual search.
While on Twitch, you get recommended streams and can browse streaming categories.
>What about Youtube though?
I just found out about the Youtube Live tab today. Every game was blended into "Gaming". It's really bad. No Vtubers in sight despite it being almost everything I watch. I'm pretty sure most people don't even know that tab exists considering you have to scroll down past your Subscriptions list to even see it.

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>>70658245
I have no idea either. This must be a joke thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661379
>Discoverability
this is a literal meme and not true at all, twitch's algorithm is shit
if you dont get good recommendations on youtube that's because you don't watch vtubers, youtube's algorithm is always on point. twitch recommends vtubers to the people who don't watch vtubers, that's why the vtubing culture on twitch is non-existent and they're just like regular streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661379
At least on Youtube people can discover your VODs, on Twitch if you're not actively streaming you effectively don't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658652
this is true

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658376
>Animated emotes
What are you? A zoomer that needs to have keys dangling in front of him at all times or else he gets bored?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>youtube actually figured it out
... I think (you) finally figured it out lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>It took YouTube this many years to make chat not complete dogshit
How is that a "win" for YouTube again?

[Anonymous No.]

umm if you used theater mode the chatbox went under the video... untill this year
gottem

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661379
I get recommended random 1view, 2view and view vtubers all the time on YouTube and quite often they're playing a game I'm interested in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666222
1view, 2view and 3view*
Seriously, superior discoverability on twitch is a fucking meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658262
True. But they can't rely on react content and copyrighted music to pad out their streams on YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666299
twitchfags don't like it when you tell them that

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665246
>having options is LE BAD

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>>70658245
He means in theatre mode.

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>>70666299
React content exists on youtube as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>caring about chat at all
I shiggy diggy

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>>70666622
Youtube has it now? Because I don't see it.
This is one of the main reason a lot of people use Holodex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666299
Guess they'll be staying on Twitch then as there's obviously a market for that content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666744
This button has been here since forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
I fucking hate that they made this change for theatre mode, messed up my entire setup. Why can't they just add the option to put the chat at the bottom like it used to be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666704
Yeah but you have to do this really hard thing called "editing"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667075
I prefer it this way, but yes, it should definitely be an option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666281
twitch "discoverability" is being part of a clique and getting raided. you have no chance of success on twitch if you dont network
youtube rewards hard work and being consistent, so of course the lazy twitch whores hate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658652
FPBP

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
Still looks worse than the extension i downloaded kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658652
I also hate the way youtube shadowbans you from chat over innocuous things from an unknown list of triggers. Twitch is customizable on censoring and if a chuuba does have it turned on it at least it lets you know instead of needing to just notice your message doesn’t show up in the on stream chat log.
For example if they are playing a game with bombs in it? You better not say the B word or you’ll be shadowbanned on youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667682
I'm convinced it's just youtube trying to make people use mobile more because you can still chat on mobile even if you're shadowbanned

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>>70658109

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>>70658109
Chat is still slow because the scripts to run it are full of bloat.

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>>70666281
Twitch "discoverability" is a fucking vertical ladder for 1 person, people click on a certain game and watch 1st person with highest ccv then if he is offline 2nd one and so on. Only raids can raise you up the ladder or sucking up to high ccv streamers, maybe some content off the platform(like filian did with tiktok). Twitch is truly a /#/ site

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
If anything, it's vtwitchers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658245
>>70661611
>>70666622
>>70666744
>>70666947
YouTube is rolling out a new feature where the chat window is fixed to the right of the screen even when not in theater mode. The old chat was nested in the page, but the new one is fixed to the screen even when you scroll down, similar to how Twitch does it. You probably don't see it because you weren't picked for the rolling update lottery. A lot of times now, YouTube will gradually release an update to random people just in case it breaks the website.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch's layout was always insufferable for me, that's why I used the site exactly once and never again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669245
this, and a clusterfuck of padding

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669633
Here's theater mode in Twitch compared to whatever this is >>70658109
I dunno how that's insufferable compared to Youtube, there are a few extra buttons due to my extensions. And the name and title disappear when I take my mouse of the screen. How is that worse than the one OP is talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>70674165
Oli in the 'log!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669485
I'll be waiting when they fix stream delay

[Anonymous No.]

Unless there is a poll or question expected to be answered by what's most spammed in chat, I literally don't give a single fuck what's happening there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70674608
That and super laggy emote loads.
Love to see my browser dying for 30 seconds straight because YouTube is fetching all my membership emotes and the YouTube emotes I don't use.

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>>70658109
>Twitch's infrastructure is way worse.
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
I don't like it honestly. I hate it on Twitch too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70676219
check out https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/459335-youtube-livechat-emoji-fixes

[Anonymous No.]

>>70679929
there was also this https://pastebin.com/ADHLQuBh
too bad youtube can't into coding

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
Theater mode extension for YT have existed for ages, and they still make it look better than whatever this default thing is, cutting all the bullshit buttons and stuff out

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667258
Do you even know what FPBP means, tourist-chama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669633
The only place Twitch's layout is worse is if you want to watch VODS. For actual live streams its theater mode has always been better than Youtube's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
It stopped working for me for some reason.
I guess they were doing a test run or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658376
Also you can use sub emotes across the entire site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70674165
oli in da bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
it sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
>Twitch's infrastructure is way worse. The performance of the website is trash.
What the hell are you talking about? I can watch a dozen twitch streams at the same time if I want, but a single 4view youtube chat turns my PC into a heater and leaks memory over time. Even on Chrome, without the scummy artificial slowdowns they build in for other browsers. The amount of server-side outages is about the same, if not more.
>Twitch is still struggling to turn a profit and rolling out dumb money-making schemes that everyone hates every other month.
And youtube doesn't? They update the site to uBlock every other month now and attempt to pull other dumb shit to punish people who block ads

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666744
yeah, it's kino af

[Anonymous No.]

i don't like it because i don't care about chat and i use theatre mode to get a bigger video

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>>70692340
Luckily I've never used theatre mode, but the change is retarded, it's literally just identical to non-theatre now so what's the point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665246
yes

[Anonymous No.]

test

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>>70658109
Why does Iroha always look like she's on the verge of tears

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
The fact that Twitch doesn't have waiting rooms is a crime.

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>>70666622
Oh, so theatre mode is actually usable now?

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>>70666947
Yes but up until this recent chat update, when you clicked theatre-mode, the chat would appear -below- the video instead of on the right of the screen.

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>>70658109
godamn i hate that change so fucking much.
it was always an option, but now it defaults to that. fuck you youtube i'll pop chat up if and when i want it, not you. faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658376
Animated emotes are cool, but to be honest I don't want point redeems. The only time it doesn't feel like an annoying gimmick is for ASMR streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661379
Search "vtuber" on YouTube, then filter the results by Live. There you go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658109
Why do some vtubers stream on Twitch instead of youtube? I refuse to use the dogshit site but am interested in watching some of them (Bat and Juniper seem interesting but Twitch filters me hard).

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>>70667329
Which extension anon?

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>>70695465
Is Twitch not a perpetual waiting room? They don't have comments tied to a video but to the channel itself, so if someone is going to start at 10PM anyway, people can still start chatting before the stream starts

[Anonymous No.]

>>70696318
>>70695465
Yeah if the streamer isn't online you can still go into their chats at any time and wait for them

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>>70658109
>The performance of the website is trash.
Doesn't YT chat still have a memory leak problem

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>>70696143
to be fair youtube used to not even be an option, and was much worse too when it first started out. some thus had no option but twitch, so stayed there. its then a cascade effect where many see everyone on twitch, so think twitch is the better option.
simultcasting is starting to be a bit more common, but im guessing it has some issues considering no one does it regularly.

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>>70696143
Simply put, it's the dominant streaming website.
People stream on Twitch because that is where people stream (who aren't corpo vtubers).

There are a lot of things though, including more community and interactivity features, better third-party extensions/customizability, integration features with lots of different games, better discoverability.
There are also some things that people don't want to deal with on YT like the overactive copyright bots, who will literally just kill the stream and force you to start a new one, the demonetization minefield, the site flagging your channel based on what you do more (videos/shorts/streams) which prioritizes one thing and neuters the others in the algorithm.

There is over a decade's worth of videos and posts from YouTubers complaining about an endless stream of problems and frustrations with YouTube's systems. Many of them have never been fixed, or only gotten worse. "Why don't they use YouTube?" honestly shouldn't even be a question. It's a fucking nightmare.
I have to imagine people here just... didn't watch a lot of YouTube before vtubers? And corpos aren't gonna say shit, especially when all that gets handled by staff and not them personally.

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>>70669485
>>70658109
I've had youtube like this for years, using a browser extension (Youtube Livestreams Theather Mode)

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>>70696143
Because its the most popular streaming platform. Also their ads+prime subs print money for streamers(but its dogshit for viewer who watches like 10 minutes of ads every hour).