/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>oh btw, the alleged bullies? its me, enna and millie. there i said it.
What the FUCK was she thinking?

[Anonymous No.]

don't you females ever get bored of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648881
>thinking
KEK

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>>70648881
>Elira outed names (Millie, Enna & I)
It's a 39IQ thing, we will never understand

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>>70648881
She wanted to protect other livers by using herself as a shield. It backfired.

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I'm desperately clinging to the hope that management had a gun to Vox, Ike and Elira's heads over this. I used to like all of them. It looks really fucking bad all around, though.

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>>70648881
woman moment and common manipulation tactic

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>>70649228
“Leaving is also an option”

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>>70649228
Honestly, if they are innocent, their reputation has hit such a deep rock bottom that the only way to recover is some bombastic move like getting yourself fired and shitting on the company. Like, "fall on your own sword before the mob stabs you with it"

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>>70649505
Maybe Vox truly thinks so (because he never tried actually graduating)

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>>70648881
Literally no one mentioned them but the rrats here, only to namedrop them casually in that video.
And that is now giving them the same level of flak that video gave to them.
The gag orders they are going around is only making things worse. Truly, at this point, I’m just waiting for them to come out of hiding and being chewed alive when they realize that yes people forget but once you are connected to something, all people need to do is to see you to make the connection.

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>>70649187
where did "39IQ" come from?

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>>70648881
I want more. I want things to get even worse.

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>>70649827
>no one mentioned them but the rrats here
maybe they were so terminally /here/ that they started thinking people other than schizos believed in it
so they felt at this point that it was fine to out themselves because the cat was out of the bag
actual brain rot if true but i like that theory

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>>70650278
39daph

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>>70649228
>I'm desperately clinging to the hope that management had a gun to Vox, Ike and Elira's heads over this.
And if they aren't?

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>>70650278
>friends w/ clique
>hates white people
just search "39daph legal mindset" on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>70650278
From 39daph being associated with Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648881
QRD? Or catbox?

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>>70649228
Vox had the gall to claim he was willing to "graduate in solidarity" with Selen and then two seconds later proclaimed how he's "incredibly happy with his job". You know, just in case people got any ideas that Nijisanji might not actually be the good guys. Either he's a two-faced snake willingly working as a corporate mouthpiece, or he's a spineless coward that refused to stand up for what's right. It doesn't matter whether you think Doki was justified or not, everyone can agree that that video was disgusting. Vox is one of the few NijiEN members that we know DOES have the money to just walk out without immediately having to worry about paying bills. Nobody can force him to say anything. One way or another, he made his choice.

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>>70649228
>I used to like all of them.
I don't care

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>>70650685
It's in the black screen video. She named Enna and Millie, despite them not even being in the video. It was a real "If I'm going down, you two are coming with me" moment.
>Notably, one section of this document alludes to where Millie, Enna and I live
https://youtu.be/o65VwnQvWW4?t=136

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>>70651059
No honor among mean girls.

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>>70648881
"I'm not going down alone, bitches"

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>>70648881
I've seen some stupid shit lately, but damn this is fucking stupid.

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>>70651059
Most damning is that they were named in a document of Selen's "claimed experiences under Anycolor" A.K.A. her complaints of being bullied and harassed. I can't think of any other way they would be named in such a document other than being defendants/culprits.

[Anonymous No.]

Elira's voluptuous ASS on my face

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>>70649136
I don't even know which side is "sis" anymore
You would have some fags going around throwing the word Nijisis
But they way those fags act are like sisters

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>>70651411
That would mean vt shitposting manifested into reality through the willpower of shitposters. That would be so funny.

[Anonymous No.]

I really think they were just high off their own farts and could make Selen the villain with a few words. Even under the very charitable assumption that they had legitimate reason to THINK Selen was gonna drop a manifesto or lawsuit or whatever, they move was still unbelievably retarded. Maybe one of the greatest PR disasters in the whole history of humanity.

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She didn't say that

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>>70653594
yeah she did I was there

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>>70653594
She did name them as being mentioned in the document though. And since that document was about who bullied Selen, she basically dragged them down with her.

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>>70650633
>>70651425
disgusting

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>>70652502
Not only they were high enough, they couldn't find good enough evidence on the document to incriminate her despite going full petty mode with the "recordings".
They could have showed examples of her being angry at someone, try to twist something against her with bad context, etc.
But no, they went with the stupidest shit, one thing that we already knew and another that is irrelevant shit.
And to top it all off, they kept repeating "dont' harrass anyone" while slandering Doki 90% of the video, what a fuckig njoke

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>>70648881
>Our next target since Selen is gone? Scarle of course, that stupid horny latina bitch has had it good for TOO long. I've already filled Aster's drinks with viagra and aphrodisiacs.
What the fuck is wrong with her?

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>>70648881
What real life race is elira btw? I thought she was Asian like Millie and Enna.

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>>70653594
It's like the NDF doesn't even watch streams.

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>>70652453
I used to think shitposters bent reality to their will. Now I realize that they’re just schizo-types with extremely good pattern recognition and an ability to see beyond bullshit.

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>>70653893
White or hapa, I can’t really tell.

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>>70649228
Vox was either in character, which is extremely douchy and inappropriate, or he's actually just a prick irl

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>>70653968
What languages do she speak? Apart from English and Japanese?

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>>70654019
I don’t know I just saw a pic

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>>70648881
Woman moment.

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>>70653893
>>70653968
>>70654019
She's hapa. Half white/japanese.

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>>70653894
She literally didn't say that

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>>70653681
>being mentioned in the document though. And since that document was about who bullied Selen,
Then why did she start writing about favoritism in the document if it was just about her getting bullied?

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>>70654811
Because unfair treatment is a form of harassment.

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>>70650863
>Either he's a two-faced snake willingly working as a corporate mouthpiece, or he's a spineless coward that refused to stand up for what's right
Why not both? Because it's pretty obvious he's both of these things.

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>>70654852
How is Vox getting better treatment than Selen a form of harassment? He is their top earner, it's only illegal if it were to be because Vox is white and British

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>>70648881
never said anything of the sort. All she said was Dokicunt was trying to doxx a bunch of people, including them.

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>>70650863
> solidarity" with Selen and then two seconds later proclaimed how he's "incredibly happy with his job"
>>70654012
actual fedora spinning fag

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>>70654975
Because they're two separate issues. The favoritism and the harassment both happened.
>>70655027
Yeah, this is what the civilized world like to call a lie.

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>>70654975
Because it means the other person is being treated worse. This isn't simply a matter of one person getting more attention than another. If the rules are not being applied equally, that is workplace harassment. And, based on what Vox said in the video, that is what she was alleging. The whole "Covid" debacle, is a good example. Those tweets were allowed to stay up, despite them allegedly being against the rules. Since they clearly cast management in a bad light by suggesting they were lying about the reason.

Let me give you an unrelated example to help illustrate the point.
>two people break the rules
>Person A gets a slap on the wrist
>Person B gets suspended and must make a formal public apology on stream
The disproportionate enforcement of the rules is a form of harassment. Not by person A, but by management. It creates a toxic work environment.

[Anonymous No.]

>Son, we live in a world that has vtuber companies, and those companies have to be run by women behind anime avatars. Whos gonna do it? You? YOU, Lieutenant Anon? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Selen, and you curse NijiEN. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know --that Selen's termination, while tragic, probably saved Riku's yachts; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves Riku's yachts.
>You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about on X, you want me at that company - you need me at that company. We use words like "family" "friends", "livers." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent streaming something. You use them as drama bait. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to an anon who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very content that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a webcam and stream yourself. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!

what did she mean by this?

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>>70654012
I feel bad, since he seemed like such a good brotuber back when he debuted. I've never seen a guy so into FNAF ever since the old Game Theory days. I wish all his chink fujos died of COVID so it could've stayed that way.

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>>70648881
>see contrarian posts borne of dramabird propaganda fatigue
>think people are siding with her shit company
Just release her already

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>>70650863
>It doesn't matter whether you think Doki was justified or not
Justified in doing what? She literally sat there and did nothing while Niji repeatly shot themselves in the foot. Any legal document she sent then about the harassment, if she was even going to act on it in a legal capacity, would have stayed entirely between the lawyers and completely silent to the public, except that Niji's legal and PR team also seem to consist of students being paid minimum wage.

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>>70651519
In reality, everyone here acts like women. That's why everyone outside this board calls us /vt/rannies, because we're all men with the hormonal imbalance of women. We're not even on HRT; our health is just THAT naturally fucked. It's why nobody checks if a screenshot of a tweet is real before replying to it. It's why everyone argues with ad hominem and logical fallacies over actual facts and logic. It's why people think that because someone gets mad, it means they lost the argument. Because we act like women, and women put emotions over logic.

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>>70655234
It isn't harassment to not enforce rules equally either, companies legally are allowed how or if they want to punish employees and it's legal as it's not because of any inherent characteristics like race or gender. They had a good business reason to not delete the COVID tweets since Luxiem's fan base would eat the management alive for forcing them to delete their tweets criticizing management.

People thinking management has favorites does create a toxic work environment though

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>>70655437
I fully agree with you anon. I was simply trying to point out, to the biased, that their bias against her doesn't even apply in this context. That is to say, Doki's situation doesn't matter in the context of Vox being a cunt. No story they tell themselves to justify their belief that Doki is somehow evil will change the fact that what Vox did was morally bankrupt.

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>>70655582
NijiEN is some sickening frankenstein of jap business autism and EN woman autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>70655582
>It isn't harassment to not enforce rules equally either
Actually it is, legally, in both the US and Canada. Not sure about Japan though. Selective enforcement is often used to knock employees down in any case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70655582
>They had a good business reason to not delete the COVID tweets since Luxiem's fan base would eat the management alive for forcing them to delete their tweets criticizing management.
As opposed to the shit they would get for forcing Selen to announce "Christmas is canceled"?

Which is another thing - they're complaint is she didn't specify WHY the MV was taken down in her tweet. We all thought it was copyright issues, which was reasonable. If they made her reveal the truth, it would have been known that there were no copyright issues at all, as the only permissions needed were their own, which is just spiteful and petty to deny at the last second. How is that not worse PR for them than leaving the reason unspecified? I mean unless she lied for them, it'd look a whole lot worse for management than it did.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus is the same arguments over and over and over again. I’m so fucking tired.
Riku come out in an apology dunking on management failing the livers in every aspect. He was basically saying where to point the finger. Can’t officially say “they screwed her up” or she would sue as that would end the trial in one day flat.
Whoever tries to still discuss “management did nothing wrong” is a troll and a baiter.

We are still in this shit EXCLUSIVELY because the black video that made sure we know Elira, Vox, Ike and Ethyria have a share of responsibility. The gurrat only took true form after that.
It’s not about Doki, she could stop streaming tomorrow and Niji would still end under a bus. Sayu dropped more truth bombs than her and you don’t see her attacked, which tells me the problem ain’t that. And you all like to rrat too, sisters, but let’s be real, Anycolor is not doing good and if they could prove everything is wrong they would just sue and slam the evidence down in discovery. If a corpo can’t even run a smear campaign properly, they are gonna just take it in the chin.

We are at the point where for Riku is to decide if he wants to put the money in or cash out. Then the livers will have to reconquer the trust they lost or they are not gonna magically get new viewers. Rosemi is not recovering and she couldn’t be farther from this shit, you expect Elira and Vox to just waltz in and not getting assblasted to give answers?
Even Enna knows, can’t stop running her mouth, trying to deal with yhe fact she finally fucked around and found out and needing gaslighting sessions with locked chatrooms.

EN’s best bet is to just get the hell out the shitstorm and hope they can tell their own story and be beliavable this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70656839
Gonna be real, Ike might be involved but if he is he's the smartest man in the entire company because absolutely nobody gives a shit about him in that video.

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>>70656321
Can you show me the law?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70656452
>We all thought it was copyright issues, which was reasonable
Don't be disingenuous, just look at the comments on any reupload of the music video and you'll see comments saying the management took it down because they had it out for Selen . The permissions they needed were from notMysta and notNina who have partial rights to the character

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>>70657628
They don't have any rights to the IP, and AnyColor isn't going to go crawling on their hands and knees to Nina and Mysta begging for a poorly drawn, two second use of their own IP, especially after having failed to do so for nearly a year.

As I recall most everyone was assuming copyright issues, both /here/ and on Twitter. Only the hard core Dragoons re-uploading the MV knew the truth that yes, indeed, management had it out for her.

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>>70657628
>who have partial rights to the character
>source: it came to me in a dream

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>>70657628
Yeah the thing wrong with that is there's something known as a storyboard. It's a set of images that show exactly what's going to be in a video long before it's ever actually completed, so they had months or a year to actually contact them for it even if that WAS real.
For example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLwOrBwxGFA
This is what a competent manager would have access to in order to realize they needed to get perms faster than 5 minutes before the deadline.

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>>70657845
>They don't have any rights to the IP
Well Nijisanji said they do and no one has mentioned that being a lie. You're insane if you think this board and Twitter didn't assume that management was deliberately fucking her over. I remember the Grinchposting acting like Nijisanji stole Christmas or the posts saying that management was trying to hide the video or some other rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658004
Nijisanji has never said they have any legal rights to the IP.

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>>70657957
A storyboard Selen would have to send to the manager for them to see. Selen, who famously avoids working properly with managers and has gotten into multiple problems in the past for not checking stuff with managers. And what deadline? That wasn't a highschool project

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648881
>bullied by her own sister and two cringe bitches
Selen is a retard

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, I think Nijisanji are just the baddies and there's not much else to discuss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658068
Picrel. Unauthorized usage of works and assets belonging to other affiliated livers

[Anonymous No.]

>>70657628
>>70657845
The issue came from EN management. I don't think it was Elira, desu. Even if the clique was real it's most likely just an old discord server of Hanamori members from PL.
Both Elira and Pomu also had issues with management but they remained silent about it. The song that Finana, Elira and Pomu recorded was probably done at least 1 or 2 years ago and only recently it passed permission queue because of Riku's intervention.
>what about the black screen video
There's a slim chance it's the only way Elira found to do to vocal Riku about the problem happening inside the EN branch. It was stupid, yes, but it was effective. The only person I'd trust in this situation would be Pomu only. After all they have been friends for a long time. If in the future, Pomu collab with Elira either in her pl or with the current Elira, then my theory is true.

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>>70658082
The Christmas release was planned for months, it was a pending graduation/Christmas gift. Management got all the legal permissions back in '22, if they hadn't gotten the storyboard yet, then they were severely neglecting their duties, but obviously NijiEN has never made any such claim, as it'd make them look completely incompetent.

Not that what they ended up doing didn't make it obvious to everyone that they were not only completely incompetent, but malicious and spiteful as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658082
>why would a christmas video have to be released on christmas?
I don't know, anon, why the fuck would you want to release a video you want to be seen on a national holiday during the busiest time of the year where most people actually make money from ads?
And do you seriously think Selen would somehow not manage to send a single storyboard in for an entire year? C'mon, man. She gets tons of projects done all the time even with Management directly fucking her over, and the INSTANT she leaves Nijisanji, she starts pumping out projects left and right. Clearly she's good at this, and not the weak link here.

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>>70658137
That is not a claim that Nina and Mysta have a copyrights on Nijisanji's IP - a claim they would never make for obvious reasons. It's a claim of internal permissions issue, at best, with some vague allusions to copyright claims they've never been specific about.

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>>70658175
Funny you should mention a secret discord, anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658266
I mentioned it. Pomu was also in that discord server.

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>>70658175
I dunno if I can swallow the GURRAT whole, but there's clearly some level of lunatics running the asylum going on over there. Either that or ALL their managerial hires are minimum wage high school kids, which would still leave the talents effectively in charge, being so much older and with so much more seniority in the company. Sempai culture is a big thing and since most of the management skedaddled when they smelled the NFT bux, that leaves half the waves with more seniority than management, even more so if they are also older than most of them.

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>>70658193
That wasn't a Christmas video. There was a single frame of Selen wearing Christmas clothing and the song had nothing to do with Christmas. Could have been on New Years Eve if she wanted ad time.

>And do you seriously think Selen would somehow not manage to send a single storyboard in for an entire year?
Remember that time she planned and announced an entire Fall Guys tournament only to find out she didn't have perms for it since she assumed she had them and raged at the management. The reason she's pumping out projects now is because she doesn't have to worry as much about copyright laws since she's independent and getting copyright struck only affects her and not the company as a whole.

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>>70658373
The Dragoons had been waiting for that video for months which she promised on stream would be a Christmas present.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658372
The idea of Elira seducing high school shouta manager kouhais into doing her bidding is immensely hilarious to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658407
I see. Still she could have said she'd have to reschedule the release to New Year's and everything would have gone on as usual

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658481
Also the christmas window in general is huge for ad revenue. Missing that would be a massive loss in revenue and viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658481
Possibly, but there was no sufficient reason to take down that video at the last second like that and ruin Christmas for all the Dragoons. Someone clearly did that out of spite.

[Anonymous No.]

Projects she has done since leaving Nijisanji
>2 merch orders
>bulk deals with merch sellers so she can have perpetual stock for cheap
>charity auction with custom merch
https://twitter.com/woodkeyboards/status/1764066702327955595
>tournament on twitch, choosing her own team
>shylily collab
>homostars collab
>currently organizing voicepacks
>deal with Hyte and Skypad
Any of these would require months of waiting for perms in Niji

She is an organization machine. This is why she will succeed.
Now instead of organizing for NIji she will be organizing for herself. NijiEN lost such a valuable person.

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>>70658372
Senpai culture is big, but so is your rank in a company. Your age doesn't matter when it comes to rank and even less so when it comes to hiring highschool dropout managers. I'd bet that most managers in charge is older than the girls and boys livers in the EN, remember that all of them were only 20+. The working condition inside nijisanji is that of japanese traditional company, the ones you saw that would squeeze workers to death, in opposed to Cover corp where your idols are treated as idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648881

please tell me there's a clip for this, we all knew it, but it's hilarious she just admits it

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658562
wasn't the guy in charge some random voice actor who had 3 other jobs? The 20 year old interns were basically running the company

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658539
Well she posted it while deliberately ignoring instructions and permission rules. What else were they supposed to do? Just leave it up?

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>>70658562
>I'd bet that most managers in charge is older than the girls and boys livers in the EN
Given that they are filling critical positions with minimum wage high schoolers, I'm guessing not. Most of the talents are in their late 20's.

You're right that rank is more important than seniority in a Japanese company when it comes to resolution of conflicts. But when it comes day to day tasks, an inexperienced hire is going to defer to the talent's experience, and probably take the most senior Japanese speaking talent's word for nearly everything.

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>>70658677
May as well, it's not as if it could legally hurt them in any way. Certainly taking it down hurt them far more than leaving it up would have, even without the attempt.

But again, management had no real reason to have that permissions problem at all to begin with, much less bring it up at the last possible second. Someone was fucking with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70655493
All the men with testosterone here get shunned for not being emotional. As a matter of fact , is there any real proof this board isn't actually majority women and calling people "sisters" isn't just a deflection?

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>>70649228
They will say that when Niji goes under completely leaving them on their own and they have to convince their new fans they weren't at fault.

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>>70658677
If they wanted to save their company? Yes. They own the fucking IP. Even if Selen stayed, it would have been a MASSIVE stain on them to take a video down due to not having permissions for an IP they own that they knew about months prior.

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>>70658833
Well in the situation that someone didn't want Nijisanji to continuing profiting off them if they were no longer working in the company and the video Selen posted remained up which contained them, they could probably be sued for that especially since the livers have some kind of ownership over the model.

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>>70658544
They just had to nod their heads and leave Selen print money for them. The nip retardation knows no boundaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70657555
Idk about the law but I saw a 6 figure director of 20 some years fired for it (US)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659045
Honestly, I'm more likely to believe the rrat at this point that it was a current liver that didn't allow it. Probably Kyo, that snake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648881
where did she say it?

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>>70658544
>Now instead of organizing for NIji she will be organizing for herself. NijiEN lost such a valuable person.
That's what confuses the fuck out of me. She was a networking master. Everybody who ever collabed with her for even a second fell in love and wanted to do something again, even if they didn't actually know English. How could they fuck this up? She was the embodiment of charisma and not only did they not support her, they fucking broke her.

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>>70659045
>especially since the livers have some kind of ownership over the model.
They don't. Nijisanji has exclusive rights to all of its IPs. They are very adamant about this. It also isn't the only piece of media produced by other Niji livers that ex-talent's models have appeared in. It's not a problem that has ever come up before, but a new one that they applied retroactively (and likely also selectively) at the last possible second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648881
>thinking
See there's your problem right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>70653854
*sigh*

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659314
>Nijisanji has exclusive rights to all of its IPs. They are very adamant about this.

Where did they say this? How come they just never use the old models again then if they could just give the model to someone else and save the money it takes to produce models? How do you know the other media with talents in them weren't perm approved by staff?

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>>70659577
Because if that was the case it'd work both ways and they could likely use their old IPs as a reference in post-Nijisanji activities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659626
Assuming Nijisanji and Hololive has a similar model to person ownership rule, remember Rushia and Mikeneko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659577
Because that's the biggest taboo in vtubing? They'd be insane to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658373
>Remember that time she planned and announced an entire Fall Guys tournament only to find out she didn't have perms for it since she assumed she had them
No, but I remember that time she mentioned a Fall Guys tournament that she previously had permissions for only to find out that those previous permissions were no longer valid. Because that's what she said during her apology when she announced she would no longer be allowed to organize international events. That should be a safe assumption. Since, you know, if permissions for something are revoked, management should have fucking told her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659759
They don't even have the same play button ownership rule.

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>>70659577
>Use the same models with someone else
I though we weren’t trying to nuke all of Niji here, sis. Surely you know last time anyone tried this, it was such a backlash the industry made it an huge taboo.
Niji pulls that shit, the Selen scandal is gonna look negligible in confront.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659849
>banning your most profitable liver from making content
Niji were really fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659849
Just like when she streamed 6-8 hours of Resident Evil 4 over two weeks before having to apologize and say the perms were revoked and that the vods would have to be deleted and she could never play it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659849
You just repeated what was said but chose to blame management instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659988
So she lied during the scripted apology that Anycolor forced her to make. And they didn't fire her for that? Or suspend her? Or even mention it during her termination notice? How curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658544
And the charity that raised more money than Vox'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659577
Both Zaion and Mika have brought it up, and we also have plenty of evidence that Nijisanji is particularly vicious about enforcing their copyrights, having taken down several fan videos, as well as falsely copyright striking anyone that speaks ill of them.

Prism is the rare exception that let their talents keep their model since they were exiting the EN sphere anyways, while Niji sees ex-talents as potential competition. It is kinda shitty, as there's no way for them to make money on the IP (as no, you cannot simply replace the actor behind the model without being eviscerated live on stage.)

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>>70659816
Then how come they didn't just find some other guy to play the fourth Krisis member? Surely that wouldn't have been taboo

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>>70660068
>be selen
>get permissions to host event
>tweet about event
>management tells you that you don't have permissions anymore
>management tells you that you can't host events anymore
>management tells you to read a statement apologizing to your fans because "you" fucked up
Yeah I blame management.

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>>70660073
No, at the very start of the RE4 runs she flat out said that it was cool how they had RE4 perms. Apparently the actual specifics was that they only had the japanese version perms and not the english voiced version, even though the japanese version also has an english language option. Then for some reason she was banned from playing the japanese version too. Probably as some kind of punishment, but you'd THINK that management would have caught her before she scheduled 3-4 streams of it and fixed the mistake, or forced her to swap to the JP version. instead of banning her outright from ever touching the game again.

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>>70659229
the NijiEN thread, which is obviously populated by a fair number of talents, often derides her and says "all she can do is commission stuff, without that she has nothing". It sounded like they really hate her the way they were talking. Of course her fans have been basically kicked out of the thread since 2022.
Unironically I think the person making those posts could have been Elira or Enna from the way they were talking.

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>>70660104
S>>70660104
how me the clips with Zaion and Mika. Nijisanji would be able to copyright strike people if they have partial ownership over the character

[Anonymous No.]

>>70660263
Oh wow that's incredibly fucked up. I know capcom has wonky permissions but damn.

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>>70660175
Daily reminder Riku also blamed management in hus apology for failing the livers, and didn’t do any example otherwise that would be too specific and he would get sued.
Daily reminder he’s looking for new management, in a shitty way, but proves he mist have fired a lot of people.
Daily reminder whoever defends the manager is a menhera troll because not even Niji is doing that anymore.

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>>70660339
>Daily reminder he’s looking for new management, in a shitty way, but proves he mist have fired a lot of people.
Man. I want the company to turn around. I really do. Genuinely. I like many of the Livers still there. But hiring students for $8/hr is not filling me with hope.

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>>70660339
we all know Elira is a manager too

[Anonymous No.]

shutting the fuck up is not in their nature

>doki didnt tell the public she was being bullied
>doki didnt tell anyone she tried to kill herself
niji did

>doki didnt name who the bullies were
elira did

apparently no one knows when to shut the fuck up at niji

I don't know if you guys know this but shutting the fuck up is always an option, just shut the fuck up

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>>70660316
Yeah, back then we thought it was weird, but Selen explained it pretty clearly in a community post if I remember right. It was really early on in her career so we didn't think much of it at the time, but it ended up just being another apology she'd have to get used to making... She was super bummed about it too because up to that point, she had made it a point to finish any game she started, and even said for a few days that she would work to get the perms back before eventually saying not only could she not get the perms back, but I think she was flat out banned from Resident Evil for the forseeable future and she would have to find a new horror game to stream for halloween month. I think that's why she started Dead Space?

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>>70660175
She never got permission to announce the event. She said she assumed past permissions still held up and that they gave her a new date where they would finalize the renewal of permissions but she announced it before they got the renewal.

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>>70660526
why you giving them advice bro? trying to look smart to anonymous people on the internet? you have more fun trolling them instead, you should try it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70649228
A person making a dumb decision doesn't mean they are all bad. What's important is if they can reverse course and improve themselves.

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>>70660642
its not even smart its just basic common sense, shutting the fuck up is always the answer when it comes to anything involving lawyers or the law

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>>70660775
anon, that basic common sense is what all of us here wish you possessed yourself. Take your own advice

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>>70660608
>needing permission to announce your event
Why is that even a thing? If you have permission to host the event, why would announcing it cause problems? Did Nijisanji want to tweet it themselves for those sweet twitter views or something?

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>>70660317
Zaion brought it up on twitch nearly a year ago, and Mika's had her vods scrubbed, but ex-livers have no license over the IP their company produced, ever. It's basically the one thing the company can always hold you hostage over, aside from the various penalties involved with breaking contract. Ex-livers trying to use even roughly drawn snippets of vague representations of their former models have been struck multiple times (most recently AkioAir against Athy.)

Some companies offer the ability to BUY your IP as you leave or let you keep the one you came in with, should you have done so, but Niji falls into neither of these categories, and copyright striking for quick cash seems to be a hobby of theirs.

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>>70660964
Because permissions to hold the event were never finalized in the first place, she just assumed they were

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>>70659577
this is such a fucking outsider take that I'm kinda astonished. In any other circumstance I would consider this a comment from a tourist that has no idea what vtubing is and is just jumping on the bandwagon. But we're on /vt/ and some retard is poorly attempting to defend niji, so the more likely explanation is that it's a nijisister once again having no argument and instead just spouting nonsensical bullshit to bait engagement.
Buddy, I fucking wish Matara had the option of whipping out the Nina model and just go back to streaming that, I much prefer fox mom over roach mom. I also wish Kson would put on the Coco suit because that was a kino design. But that doesn't happen because that's not reality. Not that it doesn't ever happen, but those are exceptions and not the norm.

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>>70661074
Then how come Mikeneko just blatantly traced a new Rushia?

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>>70661074
Yeah, I don't know how the fuck Sayu got away with her new lore video. It's quite literally her getting forced to do painful surgery to get turned into zaion, then getting beaten up and thrown out with nothing left but the destroyed jacket and a torn shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmzwpATitGg
I still have no fucking idea how she got away with it.

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>>70661074
>but ex-livers have no license over the IP their company produced, ever

That's a big ass claim to make with no evidence

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>>70661252
even a billion dollar company can't fight this kind of kino.

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>>70658677
Yes, and then action her in private for breaking muh rools if they wanted to. It's really as simple as not putting your internal issues on the public arena unless you absolutely must. They did not have to because it was an internal issue they had with the MV, not an external one.

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>>70661242
Probably because Cover is smart enough not to touch that drama with a 100 foot pole ever again. The hit they'd take for going after her simply would not be worth it.

Though it may also be she purchased the IP as she exited, I don't follow her drama closely enough to know. But we know no one in Niji has ever been offered that sort of deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658544
unironically, had Niji promoted her to manager, she would have saved EN and ushered in a second golden age for the branch. instead the new management role is either going to go to some high school drop out willing to work for less than canadian minimum wage or fucking Ike Eveland

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>>70660311
>"All this bitch does is build the NijiEN brand with her personal funds"
Are they actually retarded? Selen was an easy mark for the Niji business model of getting the organ to fund the company's success. Did they want their company to fail?

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>>70659577
Leave

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>>70661356
Not really, given what these models cost. If it were not the case, you'd never see a former company tuber pay upwards of tens of thousands for a new model, when there's a perfectly professional one sitting right there on their computer with a guaranteed fan base behind it.

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>>70651411
Is there any other explanation for their inclusion in the document that satisfies occam's razor more than "they were bullies"? Because trying to justify being included while innocent sounds more convoluted.

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>>70661913
Could be named as potential corroborative witnesses, though that maybe the copium speaking, all things considered.

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>>70661913
I will add, without explicitly specifying in what context they were mentioned. The only reason, implied context was better than disclosing the complete truth.

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>>70661646
They wanted to be the very best. Like no one ever was.

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>>70661646
If there's a chance Pomu and Selen could come back. Ungraduating and unterminating, and Sayu came back as Zaion.
Why couldn't they do that? When Pomu left, Lazulight was no more. When Selen left, the branch lost half of its body.
Riku didn't learn from his two previous dead branch. He kept repeating the same mistakes. I guess, for a young rich business man, they don't matter to him.

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>>70661646
Just off the top of my head, in her FIRST YEAR, she made a MASSIVE VRchat world to advertise the company complete with individualized rooms to give people a rundown on every single nijisanji EN talent at the time, commissioned lo-fi remixes of every single NijiEN original song and gave them out to be used as BGM, commissioned several sets of 3D VRchat models to be used by the other talents, single-handedly got them many game perms by directly contacting developers and making friendships with them, did the most collabs outside of nijisanji and got a lot of eyes on NijiEN for Apex since JP was going absolutely nuts over it and collabed with top JPs like Kanae, both boosting them in the west and getting attention from the JPs, making such an impression that he was ok with giving her his fucking necklace when they later met. I know I'm missing some stuff too because she often didn't talk about the stuff she was doing behind the scenes unless it was near complete, and like Ame some stuff just went uncredited.

And like I said, ALL of this happened between her debut in July and the next July. I don't remember if she organized any tournaments, but I distinctly remember a VRChat massive collab between a large number of the EN organs, in which some of the people loved the VRchat dragoon model so much they used it instead of their own.
Seriously, what the fuck went wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nBdXyHqsqs

[Anonymous No.]

This Elira seems like an evil bitch.
Yet, from the depths of my soul a pulsating voice screams out
>I can fix her

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>>70661913
She could have been trying to claim Enna and Millie were nepohires or just talked about being invited to visit the city they live in. Selen calling them the bullies is an assumption people made because they want to find a new person to witch hunt

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>>70648881
So is there a clip of her saying this?

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>>70662207
Aside from Finana and Elira, the VR chat chibi models that Selen commissioned for them is probably as close as any of those girls will ever come to a 3D debut.

Pretty bad when your cooworker gets you 3D before your company does.

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>>70662101
I don't think Riku personally has any idea what the EN branch was doing. Not even trust fund babies are retarded enough to deny free money. And Selen was offering to fund his business in exchange for literally nothing. If he was aware of this, the favourable treatment would've been reversed.

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>>70662242
This is pure copium. Gumi (Doki's friend) all but confirmed that bullies outed themselves right after that video.

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>>70662242
/vt/ was witch hunting "queen bee" Elira, and pegging Enna and Millie as her evil minions well before the black video came out, citing various interactions and leaks.

Not that should really have much weight, but we know they are /here/ enough to know that bringing them up, and putting Elira up there, was basically confirming all the rrats while putting their lives in even more danger.

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>>70662237
>>70662242
If I have to say, the problem came from Enna (and probably Millie), rather than Elira herself. I distinctively remember that Elira herself didn't know Enna and Millie were hired. I'm biased here, because I have been following her since she was Ryuusei Nova. Or maybe time changed and so is people. I still have the hope that, her, or Pomu speak something... just one word, to explain why she did what she did.

[Anonymous No.]

Elira shart on my face

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661791
Obviously they don't own the model entirely but they partially do. In regular businesses that do partnerships, they usually both own whatever thing they work on together and can only use it in other works if it's agreed to by both parties

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>>70660311
>Of course her fans have been basically kicked out of the thread since 2022
The disproportionate vitriol against Dragoons to the point of being outright unwelcome in that thread really felt off to me. From a glance their reasoning was that her fanbase were holofag trolls, but no one dared question *why* the selenposters there were "being" holofags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662470
Confirmation bias

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>>70662101
Can't speak for Pomu, but I'm confident Doki and Sayu want nothing to do with that den of snakes any longer. Even if they offered to unterminate them AND give them the 98% share, they wouldn't come back.
Can't trust management? That's a fixable problem, just replace them all.
Can't trust your coworkers? That's not something that can be fixed.
They can't fire the entire branch to bring those two back. It would be a PR nightmare. Fans of the fired talents would blame the returning two. Sayu and Doki fans would feel like they were manipulated and their oshis sold out. It would be a lose-lose. Bring back your popular talents by destroying their popularity AND opening them up to another harassment campaign. It's too late. The damage is done and they are gone. Can't put the genie back in the bottle.

On that note, if anyone does get terminated/"graduated" over this mess, you can bet their fans are going to blame Doki for it. It can't be that the grown adult Liver that did something wrong and is being punished for it. No, it has to be Doki's fault for not keeping her mouth shut(despite the company publicizing it all in the first place).

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>>70662557
In what world does a company give up that kind of power with nothing in return? Niji made those IP's before they hired the talents, they own them, why would they give any rights to someone leaving the company?

Yeah, there's Prism's act of kindness, but they were bailing on the sphere anyways and is definitely the exception to the rule.

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>>70662366
I wish if someone actually kind enough to tell him. Tbh. Even offering to give Selen and Pomu their IP as an apologize would be enough for me. I actually don't like Dokibird design. I'd prefer she remained as Selen out of everything. I really wish the future would at least be like that.

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>>70662801
Then, at least give Selen and Pomu back their IPs as an apologize. Riku, someone please tell him

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662940
The Dokibird IP is unironically more valuable than Selen Tatsuki as of now though.

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>>70662822
Selen's rigging was shit, Doki on the other hand can track facial expressions. I actually like her more than Selen, despite being 4yo granny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662807
Why would they not giving up the IPs if they will never use it anyways? It better to give them to the people deserved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663031
Wait, you unironically watching their models?

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>>70662807
The person behind the Vtuber writes their lore, takes the mantle of the IP , design outfits, gives it popularity and brings money to the company via the model. It's not unreasonable that they have some joint ownership of the IP considering Nijisanji says verbatim that the assets belong to the members. Why would they give them rights if they're leaving? They always had the rights and leaving the company doesn't take them away. They get to choose if their VODs get scrubbed or their membership content go up, of course they would still have partial ownership of the IP they helped craft

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663040
Morally speaking, yes, but monetarily speaking no. Those IPs would be being used to compete with their own talents, so they'd basically be funding their own competition in the market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663019
>>70663031
She can fix it. To me Selen was better because "dragons are cooler".

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663111
They're literally on the screen all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663177
What's there to compete when your branch is on the verge of collapse? At least giving them away would regain half your reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663152
>considering Nijisanji says verbatim that the assets belong to the members
Point to me where they've ever said this. Owning exclusive rights to the IP is a large part of their insurance against bad actors and people using their own models against them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70653854
>we still have no good art of femboy Aster pounding Scarle

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663180
Honestly, I always thought Selen's design was kinda ugly. Doki is more basic and cute, but it's definitely more up my alley. Also, I love the smug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662822
It's way too late now. He can't un-ruin the EN branch. It's his fault for sleeping at the wheel anyway. He hired snakes and got snaked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663276
Well, you are right in that it'd be a great PR stunt, but apologizing to ex-talents isn't in NijiEN's playbook so much as is bullying them out of the industry.

It'd be a great gesture to grant them all their IPs if they folded the branch, but they didn't do it for ID or KR, so I don't expect them to do it here. (And sadly, I don't think Riku has quite given up on the branch yet, though I guess we'll know for sure in the middle of this month.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663311
It doesn't outright say IP but "works and assets belonging to other affiliated with Anycolor"
>>70658137

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663614
Again, an internal permissions issue resulting from a last second change in policy that came up just in time to fuck with Selen, not a legally binding external one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663031
The rigging was fine (as far as niji goes.) Selen's either a shit actor or didn't know how to tune her model properly. Pomu used the rig once and the model glowed in ways Selen never even tried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW_PwaSZZLw
It's why I'm honestly a bit meh on the idea of her getting an expensive rig like Cillia's since I don't think she can actually take advantage of it.
That said, I liked Selen's fat tits and outfits better than Dokibird, but at this point I trust her to have a fancy new model sooner rather than later, and I'm sure it'll look great.
God, I miss her fat tail though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663529
They are trying to fake bump their numbers with JP collabs. If Elira does show we know leaker was real which means they learned nothing, and that would honestly be depressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663607
Not to mention the talents can outright refuse the IPs ruining the company's image even more.

Doki doesn't need Selen and is not like Zaion amassed any kind of recognizability in the 3 months she was in the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663679
>a last second change in policy
Millie said the members are the one choosing when they get put in projects when she defended Niji. Prove they changed any policy then unchanged it after Selen fucked off

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663747
>Dunking on Selen being shit when she can clearly use Doki well.
Didn’t take much huh? Don’t you get tired of falseflagging, faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663747
>Pomu used the rig once and the model glowed in ways Selen never even tried.
It just means the model wasn't fune-tuned to irl Selen's facial structure. Can also just mean crappy tracking software.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663849
Members, maybe, possibly, to avoid internal conflicts, but you certainly aren't going to let ex-members hold your IP hostage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663747
Selen's model really was very good, she just has no idea how to express it. Look at how Pomu's model in that video just looks like she's punch drunk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663894
Yeah, falseflagging, totally.
No I'm just depressed as fuck after strolling down memory lane and remembering when I used to be so excited to see what Selen would do next and probably lashing out at everyone.
I'm so pissed that we almost lost her forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663935
Wide eyed caucassian and moon faced chinese can't be tracked the same without adjustments, it's not really about acting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663914
>>70663935
Possibly, but the Asian eye tracker debuff is very real. Look at how Enna's model ascends to heaven every time she goes to an idol meeting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663928
Are they ever going to use the IP again post graduation? No. So why not allow a system where if someone requests to use the IP for a project, they can with the graduated members permission

[Anonymous No.]

>>70659516
I'M SIIIIIIIIGHING

[Anonymous No.]

>>70653951
It's the one thing I'm glad my autism gave me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664039
white women are just too strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664135
Uki, don't look!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664054
The ex-talents would certainly use it if they could, and Niji can use them in any nostalgia media they care to make or their talents care to make. It's entirely on them if they block themselves, and there's no sane reason to do so, other than spite.

[Anonymous No.]

doki... BLAST!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>70658175
>Elira also had issues with management
Leaked footage of said issues with management: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcsd3DW9pPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664234
That's not how partial ownership works. It requires consent from both sides and not just one. Any nostalgia media that they make and the graduated liver disproves of because it's profiting off them when they already left would be similar to having the people who leave just hand over the model to someone else. Continuing to profit off someone else's work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664448
They don't have partial ownership. No talent at Niji owns their IP, let alone ex-talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663747
god fucking damn this art is so hot instant boner

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664448
There is no partial ownership. It's bullshit and clearly just there as a formality. They've always been selfish as fuck about this garbage and they don't even give enough of a shit to manage their talents. Why the hell would they care about permission from those who rightfully chose to leave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661252
despite anycolor sitting on a dragon's horde of liquid cash they seem very reluctant to actually spend it on anything, which includes legal council

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661252
That's actually pretty cool. Too bad her voice is grating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663607
Riku can't give up on the branch. He HAS to find a way to make it work. If he doesn't, shareholders are going to abandon the company. JP is oversaturated. I know it. You know it. The shareholders know it. He promised overseas expansion. If he can't deliver then they will lose faith in the company and move their money elsewhere.

I honestly would not be surprised if he tries to rebrand the branch as NijiSEA just to keep it alive. The west has shown they aren't interested anymore, but SEA still seems to be. You can't have your only overseas branch being treated like toxic waste by the demographic it is intended to appeal to. It's a really bad look. He can always make a new EN branch in a year or two once most people have forgotten about things. It's either that or he announces NijiES.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664571
Irrelevant information to the argument. The graduated livers choose what happens to the videos, streams and membership content but they apparently don't have a say in how the model is used despite Nijisanji and people in it saying otherwise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664857
Yes, because they aren't fired yet when deciding that, numbnuts. Once they're gone, they're gone. No contact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664600

i wonder if the Niji lawyers know the clique is doing stupid shit on /vt/ nearly everyday?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664768
>nijisea
Despites the meme. Most of the superchat and money actually came from EN. And Hongkong or CN wasn't even SEA. If he tried to make money off sea it would become a dead branch, ID is basically SEA and they ran out of money. Either they find a way to regain their reputation or Anycolor would cease to exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664909
Even though they said in the black box screenshot that they need permission confirmation from the graduated livers in the music video. And no one came out to claim this was apparently bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

Please do not let this thread distract you from the fact Jeff McBiceps will be attending Offkai while Ethyria won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665074
Yes. And they also said Selen failed to pay artists in the termination notice. Fucking SELEN. The person who works DIRECTLY with artists 24/7 and had several come out of the woodwork to vouch that SHE paid them for Nijisanji projects because THEY would not. They have absolutely no qualms about lying to make their side look better. Hell, even if that WAS the case, the fact that they never bothered to get those perms in over a fucking year shows they should never have been given a management position in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665118
I mean, considering the con is all about the afterparty orgy, of course he takes priority over the three uglies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665118
Holy fuck. He's built like a brick shithouse. Luxiem has nothing on him. Sisters, are you seeing this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665162
>And they also said Selen failed to pay artists in the termination notice

They said she failed to properly communicate artists and it led to payments not being made on time. The artists in that screenshot directly say they were not paid on time. And members are supposed to pay for their own personal projects, not Nijisanji. They can't get perms for shit that was never sent to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>70660136
That would have disrupted their patented acceleration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665415
Tell me, oh great retard. If the artist was expecting Nijisanji to pay, why the fuck would Selen do it? Normally commissions and contracts are done BEFORE the art is ever done, but for some reason, the art was completed and Nijisanji was expected to handle both the NDA and payment, almost as if they've fucking worked with them and been paid before, and yet they didn't this time due their fucking awful management. Permissions are taken care of before even DRAWING the first fucking frame you slobbering neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665211
anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but excessive musculature is mostly attractive to other men, not women

[Anonymous No.]

>>70650863
>Vox had the gall to claim he was willing to "graduate in solidarity" with Selen
I think this was a half truth. He was going to graduate but it had nothing to do with Selen. Look at the current state of his channel and you can see why that might be the case.
What really sickens me is that he claimed to be Selen's friend and yet was so eager to throw her under the bus over a nothingburger recording. Yes you could say it's a shitty thing to do but a recording so minor isn't worth backstabbing someone like that. He's fucked himself. He'll probably blow the rest of his money on some pretentious artsy shit and then when it's time to graduate and come back to streaming, his sisters won't be following because ultimately they are more loyal to Nijisanji than they are to him

[Anonymous No.]

>>70656935
He's a stereo-typical drug-addicted faggot anon, he's probably popping pills waiting for this all to blow over or blow up in his face like the bull he's blowing right now. I don't believe any thinking is going on in his porous brain, just chemicals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665415
>And members are supposed to pay for their own personal projects, not Nijisanji
>However, Nijisanji is entitled to 98% revenue in any given project
I'm so glad she's out of that shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665118
Jeff "Ethyriabane" McBiceps solos nijiEN
no diff

[Anonymous No.]

>>70656839
If not for Elira's catastrophic freudian slip, I don't think the GURRAT would have taken form, we really have to thank her for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70661242
>What about this other company
You could just use Lulu as an example, instead, you know?

[Anonymous No.]

It's kinda obvious that Elira knew the accusations were bullshit, that's why she named names.
She didn't think fans would go crazy over accusations with no proof at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665995
Then why not use more evidence than six fucking messages that do more harm to them than good by showing management was making up new rules on the spot, ghosting their talents and making them miss hard deadlines, and not fucking having permissions ready until 5 minutes before the video goddamn ships? What the fuck are they being paid for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666051
How do you show proof of something not happening looool
Release all their chat histories? great plan

[Anonymous No.]

>>70665617
Because the artists don't know how corporations work internally and just do the drawing. Kind of like how composers who work in video games don't know anything about coding just because they worked on a video game

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>>70665783
You reprobate fool. They 2% cut is only from merch. All the other cuts are different

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>>70666051
If you take a look at Enna you'd understand why Elira would do that way. Implying the rrat was true. Elira actually has no say in the matter and Enna is above her in term of power over the branch. She knows nobody would take her weak evidence, that's why she chose that because she's about to namedrop two of the most problematic people in the company. And Enna was pissed because she didn't know Elira would do that.
>Look at her recent stream and xitter's posts
She didn't expect Elira would pull her and Millie down with her. I also believe that if management were petty, their level of pettiness would be the same as Enna's.

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>>70666172
If selen is a schizophrenic, manipulative psychopath who can't get projects done or supplied properly, then why the fuck not use actual, real projects that have been confirmed to be an issue in the termination notice? They've made her commit so many fucking apologies, SURELY they have some more serious logs than to show that their own fucking management is somehow more competent than a stray cat they found outside shitting on the keyboard. Instead they just look petty, emotional, vindictive, and like a bunch of amateur high school bullies trying to beat the shit out of a dying nerd that they already stomped to the floor. They have ALL of the chat logs and slack messages to pull from and had an entire fucking week of no streams to prepare for it, and that's seriously ALL the evidence they could show? What a fucking joke.

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>>70662514
As much as I'd love to say otherwise, people can absolutely become far worse over time.

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>>70666207
You shit eating ignoramus seriously don't understand that if an artist works with a company, gets paid, then works with them again, and DOESN'T get paid, they expect the fucking company to handle the payments? It comes from her account but it needs to go through them or else she's "bypassing management" again. Selen Tatsuki is not a lawyer and does not have the authority to draft NDAs either.

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>>70664053
Big Aryan eyes versus tiny Zhang slits.

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>>70665617
Because niggersanji policy is to pay for art AFTER it is done, because they're penny pinching niggers. This policy of theirs, combined with their constant forgetting to pay the artist at the end of it is what caused the entire pro art community to ghost them for the past year+

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I see we are back at "management did nothing wrong" and Riku is wrong because he blamed management as well.
I swear these parasites are not here even for their retarded cocksucker. If he would get fired they would still defend the company.

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>>70666565
and the furtive eveland, so easily forgotten

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I liked Millie until I found out she was fat.
>8TDOX

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>>70666678
>management did nothing wrong
Are you retarded? Did you ever read? Nobody said management did nothing wrong you fucking retarded piece of shit. Get the fuck off here Falseyes with your fucking dramaniggers

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>>70666678
Sometimes I wonder (who) is this company they are protecting. Because it's certainly not Anycolor or Riku. They're the ones they are continuing to fuck over at every chance they get.

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>>70665074
They never said they needed permission in the documents, black screen, or any of the leaks, they claim they *wanted* permission as a matter of policy, a policy no one has ever heard of before, and we all know Niji isn't going to go crawling to Mista and Nina for a two second use of their own IP and someone just brought that up to cancel the near year long Christmas project at the last moment. They own the IP, they decide when and where it gets used, period, the only one who can stop them from using it is themselves.

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>>70666410
When the fuck did they say Nijisanji themselves ever paid them before? Why in the fuck would a company ever take and handle money from an employee to pay for their personal project ? You're making a lot of baseless assumptions. Also Selen is in charge of sending the NDAs to them then giving it back to Niji. No one ever started they were in direct communication with Niji except the cosplayer who I doubt the validity of because what Vtuber would commission a fucking dance video?

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>>70666565
That's a good one. Also I'm here to say that Elira is innocent. I'm still all in on Dragon Coin.

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>>70666678
Nobody said management did nothing wrong , you retard. They should have either put a leash on Selen or fired the menhera sooner. Because they didn't, they're in a month long trench war yab

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>>70666943
Just go the fuck back to your doxxsite or post some goddamn sources. You clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about and this conversation will go nowhere as long as you refuse to even watch some fucking streams.
Seriously, unironically educate yourself before coming back here and trying to defend Nijisanji's fucktarded antics you parasocial fuck.

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>>70655406
He said himself to have joined purely for the money. He has always been a text book grifter since the start. I fucking hate how this normalfag can shit up niche hobbies just because there are too many retarded chink fujos.

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>>70666809
Same recycled argument. Read the thread

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>>70666974
You do realize that theory implies it's part of her plan to toss Mille and Enna under the bus?

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>>70667048
>post some goddamn sources

Tell that to Dokicunt first then I'll consider it

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>>70667120
It's a doggy doggy world and pinoy maids like millie a diamond dozen.

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>>70666943
Look, the talent can pay for the project while the company handles the payment. Shouldn't be such a reach to imagine that that is done to prevent the private information of the talent leaking around.
It's even corroborated to be like that from that one artist tweet being surprised that Selen had to pay from her own Paypal account when Niji failed to do so.

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>>70657628
>The permissions they needed were from notMysta and notNina who have partial rights to the character
LMAO DYRBI? This was a non-issue on Maria's MV, and on the Lazulight MV that came out AFTER Last Cup of Coffee MV was supposed to be released.

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>>70667021
If you admit management is the problem, then this argument is immediately invalid. She is doing project and activities just fine as Doki. If she was the problem, don't you think she shouldn't be able to work things now?

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>>70666974

Elira, we know it's you.

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>>70667081
Been here since the beginning, no one has successfully argued against that fact. Ex-livers have no legal claim to Nijisanji's IP, period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70662613
Nijisisters really believe "everyone I don't like is a Holofag", to the point of labelling Dragoons or Pomudachi as such.

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>>70667226

>posts in /vt/ defending Niji's IP
>claims to not be a Nijishill

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>>70667144
Doki could literally murder and cannibalize Rosemi and it still wouldn't save Nijisanji's reputation. They've proven themselves to be vindictive, abusive, and utter worthless business partners not just to the vtuber community, but it even broke containment and even the fucking normies know how shit your company is. There is absolutely no future in Nijisanji EN. Maybe the JP side can cobble together some kind of safety blanket, but Nijisanji's overseas expansion is fucking overr.

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>>70666974
Go prepare for your special apparence in that telephone game, Elira. It's time to prove everyone the leaker is right.

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>>70667275
This...without the murdering. If Sayu and Doki stops streaming right now, literally nothing will change about people's view of Nijisanji.
And that's why they will eventually be blacklisted enough that they will need to either drastically change or sink it.

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>>70649228
You shouldn't agree to something like this even under threat of firing. Now they lost all credibility AND they'll be thrown under the bus too eventually when the branch folds so they just delayed the inevitable. Even for Elira who depends on anykara for her visa, just go back to the west, why would you kill your career just so you can spend a few more months in weebland.
This is all assuming management forced them, which I don't believe.

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qrd?

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>>70667382
It's more complicated than that for a visa, especially if you just moved in. Still, she's stuck in her own hell unless she can somehow release some counter-statement to clean herself up. And that is not gonna happen with Kurosanji watching,

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>>70667269
Claiming that Niji owns the rights to their own IP is hardly being a Nijishill, but sweet tactic, sister.

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>>70648881
She was thinking what every fat faggot with blue hair and a vagina thinks, that she'll get away with it because the world supports people like her, she was too distracted to notice the zeitgeist shifting and people wanting to crucify simps and simp-farmers alike. What a foolish notion, if Doki actually killed herself then Elira would have graduated from the company or from life by now, I wonder what It's like to be in that head space, to be so grateful to someone you tried to pressure into ODing because they didn't.

And the people here cannot even conceive the reality that she wanted to bring about, if she pulled it off you all would have become the most disdained internet community in many many years, it would be like that girl that was bullied into killing herself from the tumblr crowd because she posted a ship that didn't adhere to their delusional narratives but ramped up due to the continued history of abuse. I almost wish Doki did get the job done, then this shit hole would have been razed to the ground and the pastel flag faggots that lurk here would once again be shown to be subhumans that need to be strung up.

Oh well, Doki is a good lass, glad to have her around. This still has the potential of devastation like the gura sex videos did though, so there is still hope the corporate white knights that fly the pastel-flag as a banner will be crucified.

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>>70667564
Holy cringe delusion

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>>70667538

screw the company and screw IP laws, crawl back to the Clique discord server already.

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>>70667192
Then what's the point of the NDAs if they handle 0 private information and how come Selen using her PayPal wouldn't be an NDA breach?

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>>70667564
>I almost wish she killed herself to further my ebin culture war
>She’s a good girl, glad to have her
Peak /pol/ cognitive dissonance. Your brain is already dead, your body just has to play catchup.

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>>70667203
Yeah cause they got perms and not like that retard who threw a fit then got fired

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>>70667275
>Nijisanji's overseas expansion is fucking overr.
Wishful thinking. If Nijisanji falls Hololive will too , holofag

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>>70667847
fuckin cope, your corpo is on the way out and parachutes are being handed out as we speak

It's effects on Cover?
>negligible

[Anonymous No.]

>>70667847
Fat fucking chance when Fuwamoco's revenue alone beats the entire Nijisanji overseas branch (the last one remaining because they DISSOLVED all of their others.)

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>>70667226
It's hard to argue with a retard that just ignores all the proof he's wrong

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>>70667757
NDA for leaking information about the Project before it's ready to be announced?
An NDA does not only exist to protect the private info of the talent, but also about the project in itself and other stuff related to the company.

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>>70667708
Care to elaborate or are you still coming to terms with you narrowly avoiding this place becoming the new reddit? It already is to some extent, but imagine what could have been if nijisisters got their way? Of course, I wouldn't expect you to find anything tracks with what I said, you're a vtuber fan which means you're hopelessly obsessed and will do whatever you can and think whatever you need to think to make reality adhere to what you want it to be.

Meanwhile, an ATTEMPT at suicide has brought about all of this drama, again, use that porous brain of yours and attempt to conceive what would have happened if she actually pulled it off. Wasted potential IMO.

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>>70667766
It's not "the" or "a" culture war, it's 5th generational warfare and it will never stop, it's about time you came to terms with this and moved on.

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>>70667912
Oh you mean the ones that got leaked anyways because half the fucking people they chose to use ended up being retarded backstabbers due to a complete lack of screening? Don't think I forgot about Tachibana Music. Or do you mean the ones that they fucking wrote the wrong names on and only sent A FUCKING MONTH AFTER THE VIDEO WAS TAKEN DOWN?

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>>70667912
So how is Selen apparently breaking NDA to pay people with her own PayPal account allowed? You know it'd only make sense if they always paid people directly themselves

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>>70668052
I'm not aware of what happened to Tachibana music, so I'll refrain from responding to that. But yeah the NDAs they failed to properly send was 100% Niji's fault, I was not arguing against that lol.
I was first arguing against the notion that Selen had to handle the payment directly with the artists, that it was more likely for Niji to handle it, even if the money would come from Selen herself.

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>>70668232
A QRD is that he basically blabbed about every single project he was on to a discord group of unrelated people and tried to dox and smear his ex. All of the discord logs got leaked and it destroyed his reputation so badly that he got removed from the internet forever.

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>>70667799
Got perms from fucking who? The company? The ex-organs clause was always bullshit, the IP is fully owned by Anycolor. Someone in management had it out for Selen and pulled the perms last minute, and you know it.

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>>70668176
I don't know, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention anything about Selen breaking any NDA. How does that relate?

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>>70668304
It's bullshit because you said so. You have no proof so you resort to continuing to spout your headcanon over and over because it's impossible for Doki to be actually incompetent. Like a genuine schizo, everyone had it out for her and were out to get her even though it was her own fault she got fired. A constant cope because you can't mentally handle the fact Doki was justifiably fired

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>>70668509
The proof is in the black screen stream, you braindead fucktard. Being ghosted for 36 hours is normal for you?

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>>70668509
Yes it's impossible for Doki to be incompetent because she's by far the most accomplished organ your dreadful branch has ever had. On top of that, she's accomplished more in the 3 weeks since her termination than your entire fucking branch has all year. Why don't you explain why your branch had over three fucking years to get 3D and yet people part of the FIRST GODDAMN WAVE still don't have 3D?

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>>70668345
How would a member using a personal PayPal account with their personal information on it paying for a project that'd be releases on a Nijisanji account not be an NDA breach? The NDAs the people commissioned signed are obviously so they won't leak the member's information since they need to be paid by the member.

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>>70667564
You are retarded. There're too many holes because of the lack of evidence. You said as if you didn't want to see people got killed over something, yet you wished someone got killed because of your selfish reason.

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>>70667277
>>70667219
Elira could be anywhere, she could be in this very room!

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>>70668660
Iirc, it was said that she paid directly from her account after months of Niji failing to pay. I don't know what exactly the NDA entails, or for how long it is valid, but a few months after the project released could be a valid timing for the NDA to not apply anymore. This is all speculation to be honest.

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>>70668644
Lazulight has 3d though

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>>70668859
Pomu's never fucking worked until literally her graduation stream, and Obsydia was part of the same fucking pool. Selen was almost in lazulight.

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>>70668628
Apparently if I take Christmas off, I'm trying to ruin my boss. You're correct. Now go and get back to work, wagecuck

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>>70668907
Pomu's 3d was broken and never got fixed, but Elira and Finana used theirs all the time.

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>>70668935
Christmas isn't a holiday in japan. If you take christmas off because you didn't fucking do your job and miss all of your deadlines because you were jacking off all year, you deserve to be blacklisted from the industry.

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>>70668907
Elira's at home 3D was so rare, I think late last year is the only time we got to see it during Suika game streams. Nijisanji gave no fucks. Even Tsukino Mito's at home 3D is rough, she probably had to get mocopi or other stuff on her own.

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>>70667564
G-Gura sex videos?!

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>>70668982
Just because it isn't a federal holiday doesn't mean it's not a holiday , wagie. Selen is so retarded she never bothered telling the manager about what was in the video before she wanted it released and proceeded to ask them on fucking Christmas. Then she sperged out after it's revealed the video the manager never saw before has perm problems and started to publicly throw a tantrum like a spoiled child not used to be punished. Big corporations really need better screening to prevent menheras from dragging their name through the mud

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>>70668278
The funniest part of all that was him samefagging on /vt/ about how amazing his own voice was

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>>70661231
Even for non EN cases like Henya, that model/design is a legit downgrade compared to Pikamee

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>>70648881
>disingenuously leaving out Pomu
baka

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>>70667564
That mental health fundraiser must have been a godsend for you. Unthinkable, if she killed herself and you'd be like this every day for the rest of your life.

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>>70649228
If they're innocent, they should ditch niji and show receipts. That's how youtubers who were wrongly accused of grooming mamaged to turn around public opinion like ProJared

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>>70668772
I don't give a fuck about your stupid emotions or your desire for clarity, you responded because you actually took a second to think about the consequences of these stupid bitches and their actions which is way more than what they have done for over a year. Literally a cope and seethe moment for you anon, as for me I have an ever-growing dumpster fire to enjoy, maybe one day your resolution of reality will get an upgrade and you'll see how much potential for fun events like these have.

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>>70668660
I'll let you in on a crazy secret: she pays for her Steam games with her personal information too, and get this, her account isn't even set to private. The scandal!

If AnyColor had a prohibition about talents using their own money for their own projects, due to an NDA, no project would ever get done.

Closest we've seen to that is Selen being prohibited from dipping into her own pockets to pay out prize money for an event she put together.

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>>70669345
She's Homura to Pomu's Madoka. She sacrificed everything for her.

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>>70661231
>I much prefer fox mom over roach mom
As a huge fox autist I actually enjoy the roach more than the fox design. Really grew on me, the first outfit has better rigging though. Kevin fucking sucks and the original model had a cuter face rig. Kevin's shit is too jiggly and weird.

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>>70669271
No one gets Christmas off in Japan. At best they get KFC.

The video had been in production for months. Niji had the storyboards. All the legal copyrights had been resolved by both the producers and artist with Nijisanji almost a year ago. The Dragoons, some of which had put their own work into it, had been promised the video would be released on Christmas. Everybody was eagerly waiting for this release from NijiEN's top liver. So even if they did get Christmas off, which again, they do not, it would have been severe dereliction to block the thing at the last moment on such an unprecedentedly flimsy basis.

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>>70667940
>Oh well, Doki is a good lass, glad to have her around
>I almost wish Doki did get the job done
>Wasted potential IMO
Holy cringe delusion

[Anonymous No.]

>>70663180
I don't think there would be anything stopping Dokibird getting a purple-haired dragon-themed outfit. "Legally distinct" in the Palworld sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669964
God I hope so Selen's model was easily the best thing Niji has ever produced

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669964
Doki pulls off a Lulu and commissions Selen's mama to do a model for her

[Anonymous No.]

What a waste of a fucking SEX model.

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>>70669789
>Niji had the storyboards.
Prove it, faggot. Prove management ever saw any storyboards and that they saw Mysta and Nina in it. You can't. If the Fagoons couldn't deal with the video getting delayed, they're spoiled children. How does it feel being more immature than Hoomans who barely made a stink about Dan Dan.

>such an unprecedentedly flimsy basis.
It's the fucking rules. Don't want the video delayed? Don't wait last minute to tell your manager about what's in the video like an unprofessional dumbass

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>>70670260
>B-b-but its the frickin' rules!!1!
Perms for ex-talents shouldn't be a thing, management doing fuck-all for a year shouldn't be a thing, you shouldn't be a thing.

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>>70670260
The video was in the work for over a year, and the planned release date. In the terribly fucking unlikely scenario that Selen never shown the management the storyboards (which YOU can't prove either), the management had plenty of time to ask for them AS IS THEIR FUCKING JOB.

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>>70669899
You agree with my assessment at the very least and not my personal desires. The dumb whores tried to make her off herself and they failed, everything they're getting right now is long overdue and deserved. There, does that make the nasty feelings go away now? Can you think clearly now? Good. Now start processing what would have happened if she did, all the disgusting people here that say, and most importantly, DO worse shit than the things I just said are still out and about and running their filthy fucking mouths, what would they be doing if none of this was leaked?. They need to be outted and crucified, the community NEEDS to prune itself or this will keep happening.

After the pruning japanese companies will have to make a decision; either stop courting western markets or start playing ball with all the extra human rights we give our workers and make sure shit like this never happens again. Either way /vt/ will be better off for it as well as your waifus, but you need to stop being so short-sighted when it comes to this event. A lot of good can come from this.

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>>70670558
>The dumb whores tried to make her off herself and they failed
Are you drunk or esl? Humans don't write like this.
>The rest of it
Literally what is your fucking point you braindead retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669372
It upsets you, doesn't it? To see such an intense reaction to what is essentially an extension of your identity. Why did you do that to yourself? Why did you incorporate nijisanji into your very being? Why does talking as though the destruction of the entire company is nigh hurt you so much?

Is it because you're a subpar person who wants to continue to excuse this subhuman behavior within your own community? I wonder why you would want that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664545
I'm not even that big into futa, but having pomu double teamed by them activated some neurons in me

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>>70670780
Humans do write like this, when they see something disgusting that they have absolutely zero emotional investment in. That's why you hate "traffic" and "normies" because they say the regular shit no one here does. And if you had any reading comprehension at all you'd know what my fucking point is, this whole event is a good thing and while it could have gone better or worse the take away is that the vtubing community needs to be held accountable, this drama will help expose all of the disgusting humans who are, at this very moment, still talking on twitter as though Doki is lying in the best cases and should have taken the dive in the worst of cases.

And yet If she had died it would have made it all the easier to crucify those people and let this whole vtubing sphere get introduced to the public as though it was similar to the tumblrettes that populated the steven universe or MLP fandoms. At which point the entire community would have to finally address the disgusting and reproachable behavior that idol culture propagates, or Japan would just fuck off from western markets (not likely, money is the end-all be-all). Either way /vt/ should appreciate what is happening, and if you don't then you probably have a stake in these weird fucking cunts that are running a mean-girls clique. Which is fine, because this disgusting culture is being exposed more and more each and every day, so people like that have nothing or nowhere to hide any more any ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70671329
You should. It's pretty based.

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>>70669964
Just get the notCommander outfit for the love of god

[Anonymous No.]

>>70668984
what? she used it all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>70670911
But I don't care about Nijisanji, I just think you're unwell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70669964
Lulu did a literal palette switch so sure why not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70671329
Damn, imagine not being into futa.