2024 is gonna be the end of VTubing

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> Holo lost an OG member
> Niji is imploding
> Indies graduating left and right
> Wactor is at it again
> PRISM dead
> idol abandoned by Xitter because CEO is Zionist
> VReverie lost 3 members. Rrats that they are also black company

And we are only at the start of March

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total phasekek death SOON

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what the fuck is niji
what the fuck is indies
what the fuck is wactor
what the fuck is prism
what the fuck is idol
what the fuck is vreverie

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>>70417494
>Mel
>OG
Are you retarded?

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>>70417494
>indies are thriving
It might be the end of corpo era (not for hololive though), but expect to see more new chuubas then ever
Fucking hell, I hate that 60 seconds wait for captcha, who thought this is a good idea

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And that's a good thing!

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>>70417494
Always darkest before the dawn. Indies and phase are on the incline

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>>70417791
If Mel doesn't qualify as OG then there is only 2 OGs, Sora and Roboco. Mel was the bronze member in terms of debut dates for all of Hololive.

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>>70417753
Hololive cannot on its own support the entire industry on its back. Them being the only game in town is not something that should be celebrated but a cause for concern for the health of the overall vtubing industry.

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>>70417494
nah, its not going anywhere.
but like basically any medium/market, it got bigger than it could handle, and the bubble will pop and make it shrink hard.
especially considering the economic woes hitting alot of places that are its main payout.

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>>70417753
kawaii!

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>>70419219
Honestly I think we're just entering a filtering era for EN Vtubing atleast. It used to be Hololive and Niji and you had everyone else filling in the small gaps. Now it'll be Holo followed by Phase and VShojo being the tier below, with Idol and (potentially) VSPO rounding out the major* EN corpos. Every below them will mostly be small groups or just indies.

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>>70419219
>hololive has to change because everyone else is shit
No lol
You are the one that chooses to bathe in shit

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>>70418021
get off incognito, the scary 4channers won’t hurt you

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>>70419219
from the shitfest we’ve seen so far this year, hololive should be the whole industry

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>>70418042
>ph*se

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>>70417494
>> idol abandoned by Xitter because CEO is Zionist
do I wanna know?
is my side bitch Katta safe?

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>>70422559
>>70422844
Just saying, it cannot support the diversity in tastes and content that all the fans of vtubing want.
How can they be both an Idol company and have male and females collabing together at the same time?
That is what will be expected if they become the 'whole industry' and you know you will hate it if that will be expected of them.

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>>70417791
Mel is the third to debut in Hololive, a month before she got integrated into gen 1, and two months after Roboco.

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>>70419219
>K-mart is imploding
>Walmart cannot possibly support the entire america alone

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Vspo chads are fine.

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>>70417494
I want this, but only because watching an entire industry collapse is my ultimate fetish.

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>>70417494
>Smoking that Zionist pack

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>>70425394
>Walmart cannot possibly support the entire america alone
Exactly, that is why there is Target and Best Buy and Costco, etc. etc.

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>>70417494
>idol abandoned by Xitter because CEO is Zionist
Source on this one? Sounds hilarious.

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>>70417494
>idol abandoned by Xitter
someone give me a qrd

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>>70426240
Idol is an Israeli company.
xitter is pro Palestine.
so therefore, Idol bad because they operate in Israel.

the faggots having a meltdown over learning Rin is in Idol was pretty funny.

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>>70417494
Imagine if the indie grad wave is because Mr.Man is a mastermind galaxy brain who plotted the yab to end all yabs, and has been secretly building a new vtuber org with Dokibird as the flagship.

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>>70417791
tourist scum

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>>70419219
Hololive thriving amidst the other corpos shitting themselves is a lesson for the others.

>invest in your company, infrastructure, support staff, PR staff, legal staff, etc
>take care of your talents
>pay your talents the rightful amount they deserve
>its often just a small fee to get a duplicate for awards like plaques and trophies, give your talent the award, this boosts morale
>provide support for your talents' activities, manager(s), financial funding for projects, helping to find reliable contacts for projects, etc etc

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>>70425110
>it cannot support the diversity in tastes
If the old sources of that content collapsed, then maybe nobody should support those tastes?
> That is what will be expected
No, those audiences will adapt or leave, and that is ok, healthy even

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>>70426946
Spoken like the last survivor in an echo chamber before they starve to death

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>>70417494
Don't care. My oshis are doing fine.

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>>70426873
Holo isn't going to escape 2024 unscathed, they are under the same entertainment earnings pressure every other online streaming platform participant is under. The Mel termination is one thing, sure, but the big thing is that they are supposed to release HoloEarth this year in 2024. Where is it? There's not a peep about it and investors are going to whip them hard for how hard it is going to fall short of expectations and what was pitched. The best hope is that they take a stock devaluation and don't involve the talents that much to let it live or die by its merits. At worse, it's going to become an anchor that sinks talent's time and energy because Cover feels like they need to actually make it succeed no matter what.

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>>70419219
>Hololive being the dominant corpo is bad for the industry
Assuming hypothetically all other corpos somehow go belly up this year, two possible outcomes:
>If Holo produces good talents and content, fans get to enjoy said content
>If they produce bad talents and content, vtubing itself largely dies
Regardless of the outcome the end result seems great to me

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>>70427240
>it’s great for me if vtubing dies
…What are you even doing here on /vt/?

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>>70425110
This might come as a shock, but "real" Japanese idols often collaborate with men. There's nothing wrong with it. The only rule is that they don't have a boyfriend. Cover doesn't even have that rule, as proven when Rushia's discord leak happened and Cover stepped up to defend her. Cover only borrows the good part of idol culture: a Cinderella story of a girl slowly improving her singing and dancing until she's a star on the stage while her fans are there to cheer her on the entire time. It's not really "idol" in the restrictive sense that people give idol culture shit for.

That said, I agree that Hololive cannot, and should not, be the only game in town. A lack of competition means no incentive to improve. And there is always room for improvement.

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>>70419219
Bruh, every corpo could collapse and indies would simply take their place, you don’t need some big corpo sits above

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>>70427059
but we are eating good, we existed before your failed attempts and will exist after your failures leave forever

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>>70419219
>Hololive cannot on its own support the entire industry on its back.
They kinda could if they made certain moves.

>Them being the only game in town is not something that should be celebrated but a cause for concern for the health of the overall vtubing industry.
Roru
Rumao
Kusa

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>>70426423
>the faggots having a meltdown over learning Rin is in Idol was pretty funny
Any links to that meltdown? Sounds funny

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>trying to drag holo into your worthless burning shitpiles
We're good

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>>70426423
ooooh I remember that
for whatever reason when anon said xitter I thought it meant the company itself, not the userbase
>>70427769
have fun
https://twitter.com/Keishii_san/status/1760271842022154571

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>>70417494
>horse graduated
I hate 2024.

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>>70417494
God I hope so

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>>70427796
It's clearly a phasetranny. Probably just stirring up shit like there smelly SEA fan base perpetually does to repost on twitter for clout.

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>>70427369
watching vtubers, but it would be far better for my health and sanity if i wasn’t. But i can’t stop.

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>>70426423
I saw some retarded ass Twitter thread questioning if Nintendo was a Zionist company because there’s some random ass Israeli store that imports their shit and calls themselves Nintendo.

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>>70427854
>Vtuber fans going on strike
What the fuck are Twitter trannies going on strike over?

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>>70417791
>Holofag tourist outs himself in 1 easy step

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>>70427059
I'll leave to you to continue and bathe in shit as you cry and beg for homocollabs while I enjoy vtubers

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>>70417494
You forgot to add Phase investing in chinese bots through sakana's connections

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>>70417494
>> VReverie lost 3 members. Rrats that they are also black company
Vrev lost ALL their members except Nova and Salmon.

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>>70417494
I think we are finallt seeing the bubble pop, and it took a while. A lot of corpo/people got in this with ideas that don’t work anymore or were never meant to work for years.
Goin indie is still hard but it’s not anymore schizo, which means Corpos now have to bring something to the table. Those who never invested in the business seriously are in their cash out era.
It’s a natural process of every new industry, especially if artifically inflated by a bubble like the pandemic was for this.
I think we will get a smaller, but healthier industry on the other side.

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>>70429506
There is no real rrat about Vrev. It’s blatantly clear they were never in for the long run, never invested in the members. They were probably getting terrible contract renovations and decided to not sign back up. Those who remain have sponsor contracts but you can bet they will also be out as soon as those are done rather than staying in a dead company.

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>>70417494
Indies graduating means new corpo gens

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>>70417494
I don't think people will stop doing videos with pngs of anime girls on the screen anon

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>>70417494
What happens to this board when vtubing ends?

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>>70426138
And America is still collapsing

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>>70432940
/vt/ was created because VTubing is popular enough to become its own topic separate from /jp/

So if VTubing was so bad that virtually no one gain interest for it anymore, then the board may die out and merge back to /jp/. But then, that's like asking what happens if Youtubing ends, which event is highly unlikely

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>>70417494
Only holoEN shall survive

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>>70433086
ツモアウイークス

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This seems like the best place to get a semi-unbiased answer. Any problems with V&U before I get invested?

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>>70433579
They're koreans

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>>70433772
So long as they don't hide the pinch emoji in everything...

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>>70426873
>>take care of your talents
Is that why they all need month long mental health breaks constantly?

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>>70417494
>unironically saying mel getting the boot is bad
lol what is this cope? not only were her numbers bad but she was also a male collaber

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>>70419219
>Hololive cannot on its own support the entire industry on its back
Would you like to explain this "support the entire industry on it's back" to the class? What kind of industry are you talking about?

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The reason these companies are failing is because they strayed too far from the holo model.

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>>70427499
Hololive will continue to improve even if every other company magically instantly died, because the incentive to improve is more viewership and more money. The only point they could stop is if they manage to convert all people who watch streams on the internet into hololive fans. There isn't even anything wrong with them having a monopoly because it's just entertainment, not a necessary product or service, so if they turn bad then everyone will just switch over to some other streamer at worst, or touch grass at best.

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>>70434022
Other anon’s just thinking Hololive would adopt Nijisanji’s business model, I believe, if they had no one else to compete with. I doubt that’s an issue that would be caused by the loss of a competitor, though, but rather from a change in the leadership.

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>>70434022
>Hololive will continue to improve even if every other company magically instantly died, because the incentive to improve is more viewership and more money.
I would genuinely like to believe that, but every market with anything close to a monopoly has shown the exact opposite effect. They get complacent and rest on their laurels because people have to go to them or do without. Even with entertainment you have giants like Disney that churn out nonstop slop because they are too big to fail and know that people will consume it anyway. Please don't take my statement as a slight against Hololive. I'm a big fan. That's why I want them to have competition to help drive innovation. I do sometimes wish that Nijisanji wasn't such a colossal fuckup though. Then both companies could force each other to constantly improve with things that DO need work, like their respective Live2D apps.

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>>70434221
They would have to change leadership to someone who doesn't even follow vtubing because anyone with a brain can see that hololive's type of content is the most desirable and profitable.

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>>70434264
People consume Disney slop because they unironically like it. Meanwhile we can all see that twitch thottery with an anime avatar is a doomed endeavor, because coomers would rather watch actual 3D thots they can imagine having sex with and weebs prefer seiso girls. Not to mention movies are a normie activity which people will do as recreation to hang out with friends/partners, so there is a cultural norm of watching the latest slop with company as a social activity, unlike watching vtubers (which also costs $0 to watch).

And at the end of the day, vtubers are people, not a manufactured product. Pekora is going to keep doing what she does and nobody in their right mind is going to order her to change what she does to cater to a worthless niji audience.

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>>70434273
Yeah I'm the guy you were originally responding to as well as >>70434264 Just to clarify, I don't believe they would ever adopt Nijisanji's completely hands-off IDGAF approach to content creation. Yagoo has proven he cares too much for that. It's more on the tech side that I could see them not improving since they wouldn't have to invest in anything better if there was no competition.

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>>70419219
>Feels like all out war, I'm getting the fuck out of here every one is gonna die!

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>>70434399
Not really, as I said they will keep improving even with no competition until every holo is 100k+ ccv, because there are still tons of people who don't watch vtubers yet could be converted if it looked appealing enough. And even then, if they don't keep up with technology then it would just make them look bad, and reputation is vital in the industry because that's what convinces people to give money, as simply watching vtubers costs nothing.

Your worries are about as unfounded as thinking Mr Beast will suddenly stop making videos where he blows millions of dollars on pointless things and instead pinches pennies to maximize his profits. Such a thing is in fact counterproductive in this context.

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>>70429246
what? do you think only the working class can go on strike? that's pretty transphobic of you

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>>70417494
Mel might have been an OG member, but she's been barely relevant for years now. Her termination was negligible.

[Anonymous No.]

What I'm, actually seeing is a shift. Lots of the bigger chuubas are declining in recent months and give rise to a new generation. I think that's a good thing. A sign of the scene being alive and well.

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>>70417494
>Holo lost an OG member
Not even a loss. Mel was a literal who even in the JP scene and everyone who pretended to be sad about it forgot about her the day after.

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My indie isn't graduating and she's the only one I care about.

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>>70417494
2024 is the year people wake up and realize they don't need corpos.
If vtuber companies want to survive the future, they need to adopt more talent-focused policies as exemplified by VShojo. 3AM launched last year as the only other agency (that I'm aware of) operating under the same principles, but it won't be the last.

A good middle-ground for now is what several small corpos have done by forfeiting character IPs to the talent when they go under (though rarely when the talent leaves the company).
Soon things like IP buyouts will become more common.

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>>70417494
?

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>>70422844
you didn't think this far ahead, but if it was then every type poster you don't like is about to get a lot worse for you because they would be doing it/demanding shit they like in hololive threads

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>>70417494
https://www.youtube.com/live/u7l8oV56MNE?si=b3ddgSelorUKHC2J

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>the end of vtubing
We did it.

[Anonymous No.]

The industry is simply shrinking after the boom of covid, prease do not be ararmed

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>>70434022
Hololive will probably kind of just peter out over time. Something will come to replace vtubers (sooner than you think) along the lines of AI or virtual reality personalities. Probably like a more developed version of the metaverse since we've been prepped for this kind of paradigm shift for a while.
It will kind of be like dying of old age as opposed to dying of the bubonic plague.