/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

You know, looking back on it now, they really weren't great entertainers or idols compared to what we have now in the western Vtubing industry. Literally anyone would have succeeded in their place, and probably done better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>actual retardation, the post

[Anonymous No.]

Work on your bait sister this fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

true except gura and kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>Adventcuck wants to be contrarian
explain to me first why do you put Bijou the normie queen on a pedestal, you know it's against the spirit

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Yet no-one else did, weird huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
This would be true if Gura and Mori weren't in the pic. Actually very talented entertainers when they're in their niche.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361937
of course they didn't. it was the first group with any real backing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361941
Mori was a truly awful streamer when she debuted bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361933
nobody wants to admit it but normie girls are better than mold infested cave dwellers

[Anonymous No.]

Mori and kiara are still as insufferable as they were in the beginning, Gura is MIA most of the time and Ame had the worst downfall in hololive, tied with kronii. Ina is the only one who stayed consistently good if not even improved

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361986
Awful at commentating games (she still partialy is) but she was always compelling at pure chatting

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
imagine if it was Advent in their place

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362160
>compelling at pure chatting
Maybe if you're nostalgic about your sped days

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
I can't masturbate to this bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361877
And yet you took it hook line and sinker KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
I got hard filtered by early myth and I'm sure I'm not the only one
>half of the streams are just minecraft
>barely interacting with chat, only reading big supas
>constant takamori yuribait
>somehow they still receive so many supas they have to dedicate one of their three weekly streams to reading supas
I'm sure they got better, debuts are always scuffed and awkward

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Is this some coping that sisters do. Calli is the one of the few vtuber rapper that i know, gura has a great singing voice and has the millenial knowledge of memes and she extremely cute, ina is one of the known artist in the vtuber world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362052
Do mold infested cave dwellers listen to Ed Sheeran and use Tiktok? No. Are normies as based and cute as Pippa? Also no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Myth at their peak when they were all dedicated to streaming and they did frequent collabs were miles better than all the western vtubers we have now combined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Both Ina and Kiara were hard carried, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Yeah but the number of kids that had never seen Vtubers before them likely greatly outnumbered the western viewers that actually watched JP. That and at least some of them had numbers even before landing in Hololive, so that's all that really mattered at the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362191
>3 1/2 years of Shiori
I'd be dead from dehydration

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362526
Gura and Kiara were the only ones in the group that were competent at singing and streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Thank god none of them decided to be Elira

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361933
Everyone who watches vtubers is either a normalfag, or a failed normalfag wannabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70363021
>kiara
lol, lmao
maybe if she didn't stunt her whole career with the chicken voice, I probably could have gotten over her mememe shtick if she used her sex voice

[Anonymous No.]

I don't actually know if anyone in EN vtubing could have replicated Gura's success given the same opportunity. Fuwamoco are the only ones that come to mind and they may have actually crushed Gura's numbers by now if given the same opportunity given they'd probably take a lot less time off. There just aren't that many EN vtubers that are the right combination of endearing/entertaining (in terms of mass appeal to people who would watch EN vtubers) to pull it off.
Calli is also distinct enough in terms of her style of content that I don't know if anyone really could have replicated that.
The others, I could see various other people filling their spots and having similar success maybe. It's hard to say because EN Gen 1 was just a really good mix of distinct personalities/approaches to content that they both attracted different audiences and meshed fairly well together for some audience overlap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Well yeah dumbass
Did it really take you 3 years?

[Anonymous No.]

notice how mori and kiara are never brought up by themselves and only alongside someone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362052
If I wanted to watch normie girls I'd go watch twitch whores or Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
This meme was brought to you by the Nijisister gang

[Anonymous No.]

>>70363750
Picrel maybe? Similar audience and normie appeal

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364068
The only Myth who isn't a normalfag is Ina

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364068
>I'd go watch one of the most iconic myth girls and most hard working vtubers in the field overall
Yeah I know.

[Anonymous No.]

idk girl streamers just suck in general, but I can at least jerk off to the model

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364279
you're so lucky I can't post an appropriate reaction image

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364279
>SHE SHE SHE SHE SHE SHE SHE

[Anonymous No.]

>4/5 barely stream
>Only one that streams does it to promote her wigger music
OP is right

[Anonymous No.]

And yet, they've succeeded more than the others. I'd almost feel sorry for all of the people in this thread whose oshis are nobodies compared to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
okay where's the Advent version of this?
Nerissa's latest cover got like what? 100k in one week lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Only Gura is acceptable, and that's funny because I despise her lazy attitude and chumbuds retardation.
Ina is the most boring shit ever, Ame is a entitled bitch, Kiara is an even more entitled bitch and Mori is a normalfag that hates the whole hobby (besides Vshojo and her indie friends) and parasocial things

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362052
Why don't you watch twitch bitchs? I won't be surprised if you do though, retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362369
>rapper
Even if Mori was a good rapper(that's questionable) it's quite irrelevant since music is what 0,1% of the time they're making content
Gura okay
Being a know artist means nothing if you're boring, her job is as an streamer and idol, not an artist. Ui-mama is a well know artist too but she's 100x more entertaining

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365211
Anon, it isn't 2021 anymore...besides Gura they have a hard time breaking 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365274
>All things from fucking 2020-2021
>Kiara one is a negative instead of positive
You shoot yourself in the foot instead of proving something

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365274
>Got popular after faggot anime fleshtubers posted videos about them
And where are they now? Advent is pooping on them

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364068
>Kiara
>normie
rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365730
They're still at the top of the market, and from what I know, Gura and Ina sell a shit ton of merch. I think that they're doing well enough, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365547
I don't, ESL monkey, but thatnks for your concern

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365678
>her job is as an streamer and idol
And you know what an idol does right? Sing on stage, you fucking retard. And no, their main job is not streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

heeey why are my id livers being forced to collab with homo's

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread is actually made by Promisers and Adventrix (or whatever their name is)
We're literally on the same team you fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Compared to now? Compared to what exactly? The west has never really been keen on the idol experience, and just vaguely references to justify their own aberrant antisocial behavior. The same goes for even today though. They pull up 2views to debut and then fans have a disconnect between the fact that they were ever 2views and that they're now 4views. Fans will constantly claim 2views can never make it, and then ignore that new talents were 2views.
Western fans always just wanted egirls wearing the virtual equivalent of cardboard masks of anime characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365947
Okay, let's use that logic, Ina and Ame are utter trash then since their singing is worse than a homeless infected butt hole
>Idol journey is getting better, not being perfect
Ame barely improved and Ina is the same as 2020, meanwhile Noel and Choco had huge improvements, I hate Choco and even I can acknowledge that

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365788
>All things from fucking 2020-2021
the only thing that matters here is the 3-month period
Advent did nothing with their honeymoon phase and now you are claiming they would've been more successful than Myth? ridiculous
>Kiara one is a negative instead of positive
it's better than nothing and 4chan opinions don't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365841
Every holo is in the top of the market, that doesn't change the fact they dropped significantly since then

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
find a better bait sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>70366328
When I said Advent would be better? I don't even watch EN, only FuwaMoco has my interest because they make sisters and homobeggars seethe
>4chan opinions don't matter
Kiara is by far the runt of her gen, if everyone that doesn't watch her is from /here/ then I would be impressed

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>Literally anyone would have succeeded in their place
They hired someone who already had a million subs, and they hit a million again in just over 1 month. They paid for heavy hitters for the 1st gen and it paid off, like them or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364252
>the turtle is the real shark killer

[Heaven No.]

stop replying to bait threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361941
>>70361986
Both of you are insane for including mori in a list of talented entertainers, whether past or present.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura is a star.
She'd shine in any generation of VTubers.

Too bad she's not interested enough in any of this to actually stick around. LOL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
if we're talking about Ina, Ame and Kiara then yes. Gura is exceptional and Mori, even though I hate her, is a hard worker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
0-2 views are better than myth

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>compared to what we have now in the western Vtubing industry
Like what? Vshoujo? There is nothing remotely idol in Western vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
looking back now, OP was a disappointment and his parents should have taken birth control

[Anonymous No.]

>>70364068
>kiara
>normie
she is a turboweeb anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>70363750
I know it probably sounds super dumb, but I think if Ame was actually someone super British who played into that aspect of the character, she would have been much more popular than she already was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362458
Uwa...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70371969
If any early holoEN member streamed around euro primetime they would have been popular by default. Ina used to stream earlier back in 2020-21 and she could get 15K viewers doing a paint drying watchalong. Since then that timezone has been dead and all those viewers are long gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70371952
You can be both. She's a weeb on certain aspects but normalfag on others just like cosplayers

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Gura is irreplaceable retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Mori and Gura are the only once in a lifetime talents. The other 3 can be replaced by any indie vtuber today and we would have a far superior experience.

[Anonymous No.]

Ina is a boring cunt that destroyed every attempt to make her popular.
Amelia was funny but there's way too many other funnier vtubers now
Kiara is hardworking but it's clear now that we have multiple idol vtubers from her past that she's not as good as them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70372337
yeah, I used to watch Gura and Ina, now I watch euro indies and small corpos instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>70369346
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362191
Advent had more creative input on their model designs, the new managers were more understanding of western culture, and Cover needed to have consistent streamers in the EN branch so they went further to make sure they did well. So far there has been no radio silent health breaks, mysterious hiatus announcements, or any indication of contract disputes. Management does care about the Hololive brand name so after everything that happened with Myth and Council they needed things to be more peaceful with the new gen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361860
>>70361877
>>70361933
>>70361937
Look at these fanatical retard console wars NPC's. Myth had zero chemistry together and had some incredibly boring talents. Ina is boring, Mori is boring, Ame and Gura burned out after a year. They were ok-ish until then but nothing groundbreaking. Kiara is a good entertainer because her streams are always dynamic, she talks a lot and goes into a bunch of tangents which is what I like about chuubas, that is why I like Shiori now.
But yes overall they were not that good. Fauna and IRyS are 10 times better than all of myth combined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Cool opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>70374311
ok what did Advent do for their honeymoon phase? they had gotten like years of preparation time and the snarky "smart people learn from others mistakes" thing was also on their side so absolutely no excuses

looking back what were they trying to achieve there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
your mom is a loud moaner when I fuck her

[Anonymous No.]

>>70374677
I don't think they can do much because it is what is when you're in a big corpo like holo. I'm not a fan of Vesper for example but I saw his content in hololive and compared it to his content solo and holy shit the difference is night and day. You are allowed to do so much more. Hololive is basically spam the FOTM slop and let your personality carry that shitty content. Unfortunately not everyone is Pekora, Korone, Miko or Marine to do that succesfully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
another one of these threads? really? fuck off, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70374122
wigger

[Anonymous No.]

>Holo vs Holo

What's next for the sisters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
And yet NijiEN couldn't even compete with them. Terrible attempt sis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70374911
In 9 hours Kanata is going to play a 18 years old game. People that complains about FOTM don't watch streams, yeah sometimes there's that like Palworld and Elden Ring but they end pretty quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>70377941
*16 years old
I always change Persona 3 and 4 release date

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Connor was right all along. /vt/ owes him an apology

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
They cute and sometimes funny and that's all I really care for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>Literally anyone would have succeeded in their place, and probably done better.
and yet no one from 4chan has ever made it in

[Anonymous No.]

>>70377941
I have vtubers that play a lot of games that I like almost every day. I don't need to wait for that once every 5 months opportunity to watch someone that I enjoy like I did in hololive.
Aki was my first oshi and her Ark spam killed any interest that I had in her. Fast forward I start following her again here and there, and she goes on a Splatoon GIGA spam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
First I am not a hololive watcher but Gura, Ame and Ina are just good at streaming if they where not corporate property I would probably watch them as indi streamers on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70379025
>Aki
Oh, you're a retard. Her whole fame is about spamming the same shit again and again

[Anonymous No.]

It's incredibly obvious how much HoloJP relies on the fact that it has tons of members. Ever single week, HoloJP is doing something HoloEN is just simply incapable of doing. I'm not even just about large events, even the medium sized collabs are out of reach of EN. EN only had a max of 11 members for over 1000 days. Collabs with 4 or 5 members are significantly harder when it 40%-50% of your roster, instead of being 6%-8%. 1 or 2 player gaming streams is not what keeps Hololive popular and HoloEN didn't have much options outside of that and still don't. Even when the EN members are invited to a JP collab or event, it always becomes a Japanese only stream. For English speaking fans, all Hololive is is anime girls playing games, doing karaoke, and the very rare 3D stream. To EN fans, all those big events that make Hololive specials, they're only for the JP side.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Myth really have any less unity and chemistry together then JP gens 0-2. Gura is one of the, if not the most entertaining Hololive member. Kiara is the mommy member who keeps management in check. Calli's got her music thing. Ame exist. Ina hits her niche. Hololive wouldn't be half as successful as it currently is without them, and they had to do it with little to no support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
You do know NijiEN came before HoloEN, twice
Right?

[Anonymous No.]

>CDawgVA had to appologise for telling the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>70382916
EN are better than JP in all aspects. They're simply more refined and skilled at what they do because they need to put in the effort as they cannot rely on dozen other members filling in where they fall short.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuwamoco would've had 8 million subs by now if they debuted in Myth, anyone with actual talent would've done absurdly well if they had all the buffs Myth had. Myth is just 2 ironic weeb baits, a washed up cosplayer, a boring gook, and Ame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362458
>Pippa
Of all the most obvious socially akward NEET chuubas out there, you chose to reference the one who's most obviously faking it kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70382852
It's true but it's their own fault too. When Gamers debuted they already did lots of small and medium collabs here and there.
Gen 0 to Gamers is what, 18 members? It's a little more of the current EN members yet they still don't do many things together, principally Myth members

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Gura and Mori are pretty irreplaceable, but Ame, Ina, and Kiara definitely wouldn't be missed if nobody had known them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70383699
>They're better because they're lonely
This isn't a manga, a good chunk of hololive appeal is seeing cute girls interacting and having fun like a girl's only high school

[Anonymous No.]

>>70384634
They're not lonely. They're all way more tight knit than anyone in JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Oh boy, who is announcing their graduation this month that has the sisters all riled up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70382852
The EN project manager was hinting at changes to rectify bad decisions and HoloEN has been stuck in the mud since 2021. Compared to all the optional Hololive events that have been hosted in the JP and ID branches it's noticeable how the EN branch usually refuses to do anything unless it was forced by management. Things are slowly improving and they were more optimistic after that December meeting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70384959
>Things are slowly improving and they were more optimistic after that December meeting.
They're slowly improving because they've realized Advent are more than willing to take over the HoloEN show if they don't step up and stop playing hardball with management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>Kiara, the only one who treated Myth like a unit and actually understood the industry they were in. Her impact can only be understood internally but just look at the early collabs as an example. Kiara was the only one actually trying and putting in directed effort like this was a job with a goal
>Ame, unironically most of the early tech support since HoloEN support staff was three people in a broom closet
>Mori - whether you consider her music good or not her output was very strong and she was marketable on that front
>Gura - natural irreplacable chutzpah that many have tried and failed to replicate. Continually turns out hit after hit without trying
>Ina - filled out the fifth slot
Face it anon, everyone is irreplacable in Myth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70384523
18 members is almost double what EN had. Advent didn't debut until over 1000 days after Myth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70384716
>le behind the scenes
Who gives a shit, they might be closer than sisters, if they don't show that we can't tell, people don't read minds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361933
no, Advent is also not special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70382972
Shut up we're trying to deflect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70385693
But I'm talking about now, Advent only do group shit among themselves or JP, the others barely do things together besides Bae and Irys. Mori is the only one who goes out of Myth to do things

[Anonymous No.]

>>70382972
what were they thinking with that dude model

[Anonymous No.]

>>70385617
>Kiara
You mean the failed leader that isn't respected by anyone on her gen?
>Ame tech
Anon, that's a meme already, making a shit tech collab possible 3 years ago doesn't make her a good chuuba
>Mori
Attracted normalfags and antis that call themselves fans, even herself was anti idol and all that shit. She got better but she's still just a south american that can't comprehend the culture and just stays with her foreigners friends without trying to blend in.
>Gura
Good but over plaised, anyone that isn't a newfag or retard can see that she's a combination of luck, JP's popularity, algorithm, COVID, design and a good charisma
>Ina
Lol
Lmao even

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
You're right.
Mori has her music but it's carried by the brand.
Ina and Ame can be easily replaced by any random twitch vtuber and it would still be the same.
Gura is already famous before and the model suits her.
Kiara is a good streamer and should have ditched her chicken voice 1 week into streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are deadbeats so delusional? As a streamer she's utter trash and as musician she's below average
She's just like Azki, irrelevant before hololive, and even Azki had more relevance than her

[Anonymous No.]

>>70384634
what a faggy opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361937
yes, no-one else was in their position. very astute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70382852
>>70383699
the best JPs are all great solo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70388622
I have never seen any solo content from JP that is better than EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>70386547
>You mean the failed leader that isn't respected by anyone on her gen?
Yes. Her being the only one treating the unit as a unit in the early days has value regardless of how successful she was. Watching the early collabs was very painful not because they failed to be entertaining, but because Kiara was the only one even trying. Also she was bad at it. But other girls were pathetic for not even trying
>Anon, that's a meme already, making a shit tech collab possible 3 years ago doesn't make her a good chuuba
Yes. But it made her a good addition to the team at the time, which is what matters.
>Mori
Hololive took advantage of the normalfags while they were there to establish themselves. Even if many of the normies left, they were useful.
>anyone that isn't a newfag or retard can see that she's a combination of luck, JP's popularity, algorithm, COVID, design and a good charisma
You need ability to capitalize on your luck, and Gura has that in spades. How many times does she have to blow up and become a success before people stop calling it luck? And luck plays a part in every opportunity everyone has ever been given
>Ina
someone will find a reason she was an irreplaceable member of myth, I believe there's an explanation out there somewhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>70386547
all of is this is completely subjective. point is, Advent got their spotlight and they did absolutely nothing with it
you will never achieve anything if you don't go out there and do something, and yeah sometimes it's tough to achieve the thing you want if you are incompetent

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361933
I want Bijou to sit on my face. Next question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>be Gura
>comes back after a long hiatus
>she drops the chippi chappa memes
>anons overanalyze her just to find out soon that a lot of other holo girls follow the trend as well
>she drops Poppy Playtime streams and tells everyone "look, this is the latest FOTM"

It's very simple, Gura is a trendsetter, a naturally talented entertainer. You can't simply replace that. Tons of indies get inspired by her, tons of big names follow her example and the list goes on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70388300
>He isn't happy seeing his women playing with each other
NGMI
Your harem route has been blocked

[Anonymous No.]

>>70388622
Which ones? Even the most loner JP does more collab than the average EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Ask any big vtuber how big of an impact Myth made to vtubing in the western audience.
I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70365730
isn't mori's and ame's streams still hitting pretty consistent 10K CCV ish (when the latter actually streams)
i remember ame's last cs stream had like 15k CCV, and her karoke hit 20K at one point

[Anonymous No.]

Finally someone said it, I tried to watch them for many months after their debut but they were all so boring and still are, if I got forced to watch them long enough it would be as fun as watching paint dry, y'all should start living your lives not watching vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>70391972
Sometimes I see footballers giving their opinion about the greatest/best players and most of the time their opinion are ass. Being an insider just twist your view, and give you a bias towards people that you know, played with and friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>70362458
>Pippa
>based
Lol. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
>they really weren't great entertainers or idols compared to what we have now in the western Vtubing industry
The people we have now didnt exist at their current ability 3 years ago though, so that's irrelevant. I cant understate how many people /here/ thought EN was going to be a bunch of Twitch whores, and had their fears alleviated (even if they werent remotely perfect). Shit on her nowadays all you want, I still remember seeing dozens of people learn the meaning of the term gosling watching Ames Subliminal stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>70392530
>They weren't as shit as we thought they would be
That's hardly a compliment

[Anonymous No.]

>>70366328
Myth debuted in the middle of the COVID lockdown and dominated the VTubing market. Advent did not have those advantages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70392649
They were a hell of a lot better than most of 2020 western vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>70385617
honestly, I agree with this post.
yeah we might shit on them now with hindsight, but back when they debuted, they all filled a niche that allowed HoloEN to explode in popularity
it WAS a rag tag group of misfits at first, but they all filled out a part of the gen that made them distinct from each other
>ina: drawing content, just comfy if boring zatsudans, and creating the mascots for myth
>mori: annoying, but pumped out music like no tomorrow with a couple of bangers that caught mainstream. also streamed a fuck ton, and had a "dad" feel which chat still spams
>gura: the centerpiece of the whole gen, THE mainstream girl, and cute design with some loli bait. literally could not ask for a better "leading figure" for a gen
>ame: tech support, helped with the first scuffed 3D appearance and the chibi streams (she didn't design them, but she did integrate them into the gen), FPS games, resident gremlin
>Kiara: bilingual connection to JP, actual made HoloEN a part of Hololive as a whole rather than a disconnected part like NijiEN. was an actual idol trainee so knew the game. held the gen together in the early days by promoting collabs/gen events, so they felt like an actual unit instead of a total band of ragtag misfits.

i legit can not think of any other autists filling in each of these roles, and creating the same amount of success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
based

[Anonymous No.]

Bitch, the fact that we even keep HAVING the "GuRa KiLlEr" shit is proof this isn't true.

Yeah, most of them have fallen off over time, but that doesn't mean they didn't deserve the success they got.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361787
Myth was not the first EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>70366338
>they dropped significantly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flGVlL622p4
https://youtu.be/KCsb-APHanc?si=2KPqSFd1bbqaUNHm&t=396

[Anonymous No.]

>>70400263
EN is actually the only branch of hololive to not grow significantly since 2021, but that's primarily due to taking way too long to debut more members (by the time JP was as old as EN is now they had 32 people) and having abysmal timezone coverage (the branch is effectively HoloNA, and even there it's slanted towards the west coast).

[Anonymous No.]

>>70400263
In the first reply I said "besides Gura"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70361930
In the sense that Kiara didn’t succeed in Kiara’s place, yes.

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>>70401974
EN is 32% of sales of Cover.
For the low number of talents in comparison, they are pulling their weight.

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>>70401974
>>70406320
Looking at this chart it's clear it's JP that's massively underperforming. They're going to have to start justifying their existence if they want to keep their preferable treatment and sponsorships that could be going to EN.

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>>70374311
>>70361787
>>70391636
it's sad that she doesn't really stream anymore but gura is by far the best vtuber (taking the entire package)
of course there's vtubers that are better than her at one thing or another, but if I want to listen to good music, watch someone being good at a game or watch multiple people talk and banter I'd much rather turn on spotify, a pro twitch streamer or a podcast respectively.
If you compare vtubers stream by stream no one can beat gura on pure entertainment

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>>70361787
>looking back on it now
That was obvious from day 1. They only got big because they were the first, and during lockdown

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>>70406320
>yen is stagnant meanwhile big American dollars keep coming in from the EN side
Based based based

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>>70362250
Calling out bait is not falling for bait, you cocksucking retard.

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Myth was never a great gen. Only Gura is important

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>>70362458
A normie holoID chuuba already mogged Pippa in Vtuber awards. EN scene is a snoozefest.

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>>70407357
>They only got big because they were the first,
Hololive was not first in IN, ID, KR, or EN.
Fads for being first do not last 4 years later.

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>>70382852
>and HoloEN didn't have much options outside of that and still don't.
they could've reached to ID (all of them talk in english reasonably well, even in 2020) but no

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There is still no westerner who did the tenth of what Mori Calliope has done.

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>>70407745
The first Nijisanji "EN" was nothing but a sketchy rebrand in an attempt to take over the EN space before hololive. They debuted nobody new while they were called that so nobody even bothered to look.

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>>70364277
people like calli or kiara who leave everything to start a new life in japan are no normal fag, whatever you say.

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>>70407745
>Hololive was not first in IN, ID, KR, or EN.
>Nijisanji had the opportunity to take IN, ID, KR and EN markets by storm by being first
>incompetent mismanagement fumbles
the only thing they did right was Luxiem by putting out the first male english talents. everything else was lost potential.

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>>70391972
this doesn't contradict what OP said, many people in their position could've done it. they were poised to do it.

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>>70392771
I love this explanation and i agree.
They were the right people and the right combination at the right time.

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>>70361787
>kiara
anoying mememe bullshit that filtered most during her early years, probably mellowed out nowadays but her voice is still a massive filter. her role's a tardwrangler but given how fucking dead myth is as a unit, she's not doing a good job.
>mori
holy shit was she a terrible streamer during her early years, not to mention that takamori bullshit they kept pushing and how she's just terrible during collabs. Music output was undeniably successful though which pulled in a decent number of people to the box
>ame
kinda funny I guess? her being la creatividad is pretty overrated
>ina
you could probably replace her with any artist indie now and not much would change
>gura
the one that's the most irreplaceable, without her holoen would probably not be as big as it is today
you can replace 3 of them and not much would change, they'll still be the big en group simply because they were the first heavily advertsied big corpo chuuba during covid.

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>>70407232
So she's a duck who can't do anything exceptionally?

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>>70406589
There's 40 JP members and 15 EN members, the difference now isn't that big anymore, nigger

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>>70409704
>One goes to be a rapper
>Another one goes to be a prostitute
Yes, it's normalfag, going to Japan doesn't make you a weeb, retarded

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>>70412087
yeah, if she did something really well she wouldn't be a vtuber
but there is no vtuber that makes their streams as entertaining to watch as her, making her the best vtuber

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>>70406589
JP sells a lot of merch and they have a lot of promotions, that's why most of the JP girls don't stream as often as before.

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>>70361787
what makes EN1 special is that they paved the way for everyone. If they dont come, its someone else. The fact that we still consider Gura THE best EN vtuber shows their lasting impact.

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>>70386547
>anyone that isn't a newfag or retard can see that she's a combination of luck, JP's popularity, algorithm, COVID, design and a good charisma
Bro it's only newfags and retards that try to make these sorts of arguments. Everyone who was around for Myth debut remembers that Gura's PL already had more subs than any holo and the entire live thread before the shark even opened her mouth was full of people going IS IT HER? IS IT HER?

She had her voice-over being used on tiktok memes that made the national fucking news in America, she sang for Belle Delphines music video that has 50 million views, she was already a formative shaping force of modern internet culture before Myth was even announced.

The cope about her design is also only repeated by Niji tards who don't realize hololive does things differently, the girls are not just assigned a character to voice the way niji does it, they have a hand in their own designs. Gawr Gura is iconic partly because Gura has good fucking taste, which she also proved directly when she designed her tabletop RPG character Scout who everyone fucking loved. The design also only even works because Gura's voice fits it so well - the internet is choked with shitty loli vtubers who cannot pull it off.

As for the algorithm, that worked for her because she knows how to use it. It's the same fucking youtube algorithm for everyone. That's another cope.

No one could have ever replicated what Gura did. None of the other western EN vtubers you think could have filled her shoes would even exist today if it wasn't for Gura. The industry was born in the west the moment she opened her mouth to sing Ride On Time.

The other myth girls contributed in important ways too, I dont want to downplay their involvement, but everyone who isn't a newfag or a retard knows Gura was the star of the show since the very beginning.

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>>70412186
JPs have a thousand times more opportunities offered to them, easy access to the studio and preferential treatment from Cover in general and they're barely above holo EN. They are underperforming massively.

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>>70414907
America is just a much bigger market, anon. The JP girls do well enough for their language.

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>>70414616
>1 million subs turned 4 millions
Are you retarded?
Regardless, Marine, Pekora, Miko and even Subaru easily beats her nowadays so what's the point.

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>>70415176
All of those that you named are "popular" only because of the audience that Gura brought.

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>>70414907
Marine has more than 3 millions subs and there's less than 200 millions people that speak japanese, Gura has more than 4 millions subs and there's more than 1.1 billion people that speak english

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>>70415176
>1 million subs became 4 million over the course of several years?
Yes dumbass that's how time works, it moves forward and things change.
>regardless blah blah numberfagging views or something
Yeah because she basically doesn't stream much anymore. If she did she'd still be mogging everyone, but Gura doesn't care about the attention or the numbers and she's actually happier not being the main girl in the spotlight. She literally has to sandbag herself to achieve that because her raw talent is too fucking powerful.

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>>70415510
Most of those subs Marine has came from Gura.

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>>70415341
Yeah, Gura created the universe and she's above God.
Go back to sleep chumbuds, wait for her stream to wake from your slumber

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>>70415551
>The course of several years
That's the point retarded, Gura has gone from 1 million(mostly dead)PL to 2 millions in weeks and 3 millions in months. It's 99% algorithm and it's a fact you fucking NIGGER

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>>70415620
Gura is above everyone in hololive and everyone in hololive owe their success to Gura. These are simple facts.

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>>70415766
You are both ESL and retarded, AND failed to address any of the other points I already made, AND I already explained to you that it's the same algorithm for fucking everyone so cope and seethe because it's a complete non-factor. If other girls had the same genius meme talent as Gura they would have been carried by the algorithm the same way, but no one does.

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>>70416030
Like I said, Marine, Pekora, Miko and Subaru mogs her for a long time now, all that chumbuds have is past glory. You guys got so insecure about FuwaMoco approaching Gura's sucess that the moment Gura streams you guys make a thread about it

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>>70416397
>Like I said, Marine, Pekora, Miko and Subaru mogs her for a long time now
Already addressed that too stupid fuck, keep going in circles though. You just said some cope about the algorithm and are immediately giving up and changing tactic again? You're clearly too ESL to even read properly.
>insecure about FuwaMoco approaching Gura's sucess
Dude they haven't even hit 1 mil yet and it's already been like 6 months. They aren't even remotely close to Gura's success and no one ever cared, plus most chumbuds don't give a fuck about numbers to begin with.
>the moment Gura streams you guys make a thread about it
Oh my god Gura fans make a thread about a Gura stream call the fucking press!

You're such a fucking retard lmfao

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>>70415977
I think you're confusing facts with delusions

[Anonymous No.]

>>70417063
Nope, they are facts. Gura was mogging everyone for that one week she was streaming and she could keep it going until the end of time if she wanted to.

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>>70417313
>if
If I had a pussy I would be a sister

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>>70417313
Nah, they are delusions, newfags that Myth bring are EOP newfags they don't watch JP and EOP overseas people who already watched JP are mostly came from various clips and it's the other way around it's thank to JP that they not only success on their region but also manage to attract enough overseas fan so other branches like ID and EN can exist. You can keep deluding yourself tho lol

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>>70361787
Now that I think of it, holoen is build upon pedos lust on the loli shark.

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>>70416397
There are nine vtubers that mogged Gura in 2023.
She still made top 10 without trying.
But Gura never cared. Never tried to get high numbers, trophies, and ambassadorship. Never asked for superchats or memberships.
It's like it's all forced upon her. Poor shork. Have some sympathy for her, heartless bastard.

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>>70421244
Stop watching PBS kids and YouTube kids. Stop projecting and you can enjoy Gura too. Now that I think of it, you sound like Vaush, Brittany, and EDP.

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>>70361787
If you means designs then fuck no.
Outside of Kiara being alittle overdesigned Cover literally couldn't have made models any better than these at the time. Gura in particular is so genius that copying her design is pretty much an entire vtubing subculture at this point.

As for who they hired to voice them,I wouldn't really call them replaceable. I can't see anyone doing gura's model as much justice as who they hired does. Same with everyone else, their personalities translated really well into their models and they kept a huge fanbase for years as a result.

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>>70361787
Bored waiting for the queued graduation sister ?

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>>70362127
>t. Seething 2view vtweeterfag

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>>70361860
fpbp

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Most vtubers aren't particularly good streamers, even the ones at the top (Hololive). You get people here praising their favorite vtubers because they streamed for four hours a week every day, while your average flesh streamer is probably streaming for 8+ hours every day because if you don't you're not really making it. Vtuber fans in general have lower standards and also are just so infatuated with their favorite vtubers that they are more than willing to accept mediocrity and excuse bad behavior. Only a select few like Pekora and Marine within this niche truly rise above the ranks and can be compared to the real big online entertainers.

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>>70423898
Long streams are what people with low standards consume though.

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>>70361787
It's known as Raising The Bar, and it occurs in every industry.

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>>70361787
>>70361963

>Just ignoring all the shitters Kurosanji threw out at the same time.

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>>70361787
HoloMyth deserve credit for proving that you don't have to pander to Twitch culture to be a successful streamer.
It took Mori 3 years to admit that Twitch was a mistake.

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>>70423898
Have fun watching 8+ hours of reaction/sleeping content.

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>>70423898
>good streamer
There is no such thing, that's only what retards believe that streaming requires actual skill, just like making friends it's only matter of meeting with the right people that click with you and unless it's someone who is known for gaming skill not necessarily a pro or other thing that requires actual skill then those big online streamer are among the lowest standard in entertainment

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>>70424088
>>70426788
>>70426814
This is exactly what i meant in my post
>Actually streaming more is bad
>All long hour streamers are react streamers
>Actually all streamers are bad so it doesn't matter that my oshi is trash at it
95% of all vtubers are actually just extremely boring streamers propped up by the novelty of an anime avatar and the fact that they are women with an audience of lonely men

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>>70426978
>Boring
Another stupid shit that only retard believe that their personal opinion is a quality standard somehow, any vtuber that does something else than just streaming like music etc then they already above those regular streamer in term of real quality

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>>70407480
you should respond with some bait of your own.

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>>70426814
you need to be good at improv to be a good streamer.

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>>70361787
the more i see them together the more i realized how fucked up Kiara’s design is. you really can’t tell what she’s supposed to just by looking at her

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>>70414616
>they have a hand in their own designs.
source in regards to Myth? what about Kronii?

also, Gura's design absolutely played a part, it's one of the reasons she has the biggest normie/tourist audience.

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>>70428053
theres literally a streamer whose entire gimmick is not saying anything and he has 10k viewers. streaming success is more so driven by community and exposure than a streamer’s actual ability to entertain. jerma is considered a great streamer and all he does is read a chat message every 5 minutes. the times where he does bits is like .1% of what happens in his streams

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>>70361787
>Literally anyone would have succeeded in their place, and probably done better.

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>>70361787
Prove it with empirical evidence.