/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I wouldn't be surprised if da wose lacked the self-esteem and resolve to stand up for what she thinks is right, she unironically seems really bullyable and easy to impress.
I watched her debut and many, many streams of hers in the beginning. The last streams of hers were really different, as if she lost all of her drive, ambition and creativity.
Does she just wait until it's her time to graduate?
Someone needs to save the Rose and I don't care wether that's Sakana, Yagoo or someone else.

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>>70010619
yeah she lost her shine a long time ago
it wouldn't surprise me if that was due to nijiEN being so fucked internally
I hope she finally takes the plunge and leaves, she could be so much more

[Anonymous No.]

Bless you anon, you're a good soul. Don't hurt yourself anymore.

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>>70010619
You can try to absolve her as much as you like. If Elira Pendora can play the airheaded harmless fujoshi for 3 years then so can Rosemi. I don't buy any of this oh poor wose bullshit from you niggas that just want to fuck her

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She's sick

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>>70010863
>that just want to fuck her

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>>70010709
Rosemi lost her shine as soon as she stopped doing her internship at that one company she was working at during the early NijiEN days.

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>>70011031
that may be a coincidence in timing, or maybe both things were caused by the same issue

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>>70010619
She's a gentle soul in a nest of vipers, with no option but to endure until she's given the privilege of being let go with dignity. It is not surprising that she folded and bent the knee. What can men do against such reckless hate?

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>>70011031
Perhaps this internship made her focus on other, more positive (or rather, less negative) things and the clique could only break her when this fell away all she had left was this toxic environment that hates creativity and livers that love their audience like the rose did?
It doesn't seem too far fetched.

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>>70011864
If the Dizzy Maro rrat is to be believed, Rosemi was feeling too worthless to make the jump to Niji and to go full streaming, and had to be convinced otherwise. Imagine finally making said jump only to fall face first into Niji's standard demoralization training.

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>>70011031
That offcollab with the clique girls (the "Besties" one) felt like a turning point to me. Her collab partners shifted, and to a certain degree she even adopted some of their behaviours like yuribaiting.

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>>70012099
Grim

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>>70012099
Rosemi, come home to Phase, they have better, actually qualified tardwranglers there

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>>70012099
She often more or less directly talked about her low self esteem.
It makes sense.
>>70012376
She is sad enough for the Fishman, isn't she?

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>>70012376
Watch her join V4Mirai.

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>>70012376
Maybe the agency itself would be fine, but the smaller size means she'd have to get a proper office job again. Phase already has another black company slave who is on permanent school shooter watch and has to cancel like half her planned streams over "office emergencies" and "business trips".

Going indie might be better to have her keep all her earnings and avoid the dreaded return to the workplace.

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>>70012706
She pulls 1.8k per stream, I'm sure shell do well enough to not have to get a job.

[Anonymous No.]

the prophecy must be fulfilled
the rrat queen shall comeback and reclaim the crown

[Anonymous No.]

Rosemi is one of the very few vtubers I can watch an entire stream. I'd like to see her go elsewhere and be more successful but I think vtubing is in its downhill slide, at least for EN. She might be better off staying Niji. I don't think Rosemi would pull the pity me angle some others have done for a big initial follow. I'll watch her no matter where she is.

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>>70012946
She doesn't need to actively pull the "pity me" angle herself; Niji's current reputation would automatically give her that boost if she were to leave.

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>>70012876
THE CROWN THAT WAS BROKEN

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>>70013060
>Niji's current reputation would automatically give her that boost if she were to leave
NTA, I think we're past this point now. This board and r/Nijisanji (which just copy/pastes our shit) talk about it, but others have moved on. Even here the most popular current anti-Niji thread has been up for 12 hours and has 146 IPs (and who knows how many of those are duplicates).
If Rosemi graduates in 2 weeks it'd be a fart in the wind.

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>>70013482
>numberfagging niji threads
meds

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>>70013071
THE QUEEN OF THE WEST

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>>70013482
Don't you see that there is nothing worse for an entertainment corpo that relies on viewers interacting with (and throwing money at) a liver than this audience staying away?
She lost several 10K subs already, surely many more are just dead subs. Doki has shown that an audience may return, but as of now, it's gone. Niji EN turned their own audience into antis, this is what I get here. People not talking about it means that they moved on to greener pastures and other corpos.

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>>70013482
I still feel like the overall community attitude towards Niji has shifted enough that with any further negative announcements (like a graduation, particularly of someone who is not a who like Kyo), the firestorms would start again. Sure, any talent graduating (seemingly) peacefully wouldn't gather as much as what happened with Selen, but I'm confident that any upcoming graduations from Niji would receive more attention than they would have without the whole scandal.

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>>70012876
>>70013071
>>70013747
From the nijiashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the yabs shall spring;
Renewed shall be the company that was broken,
The crownless again shall be queen.

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>>70014082
I get what you're saying, but I don't think blasting your career on an impulsive decision is something any of them would risk. Pic related, it's the metrics of her last stream, it's one of her best streams in awhile. Maybe the ones accused got hit hard in the actual CCV department, but Rosemi is not falling.
Doki was turned into an internet martyr, no one is going to get as much fame as her. And as I said the issue is cooling off, so it's doubtful that the casual fans who were circling the drama would be drawn to her.
Company definitely has some long-term problems, but I can see why Rosemi wouldn't want to Geronimo into an unknown abyss.
>>70014231
Nijisanji is definitely on thin ice, but it's still better than voluntarily cracking the ice sheet beneath your feet. Also there's the risk of those being very temperamental fans, a.k.a they'll leave in a month. That's probably one more factor that has to be factored in this calculation. Trading 1.8k stable fans for 3k temporary fans that'd be 800 fans in 4 months is not a good deal.

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>>70014082
I was happy to see Doki move on and do well, but her fans ruined it for me. Seeing them yelling on Twitter and here how everyone needs to unsub from Niji, how all the other talents are "guilty" and how they all need to burn, I unsubbed from Doki and decided I'd rather not be with a group of peeps like that. I'd much rather chill with a few 1,000 less rosebuds that actually like the streamer and have to balls to think for themselves. Fuck Niji but I'm not going to punish Rosemi for it.

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>>70015410
Doki had over 100k on her first stream and only 1/10 of that now. not sure if you should call them all her fans sister.

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>>70014231
I fear that the reactions would be, well, ridicule.
As if nobody took it seriously and just waited for liver X to return elsewhere with viewers debating where she will go next.
Perhaps even joy that their oshi got out of there. And also something along the lines of
>ah okay *this one* is the next

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>>70015410
>Doki move on and do well, but her fans ruined it for me.
I never saw that
I just saw people unsubscribe from Nijisanji because they're a shit company

[Anonymous No.]

Millie and Enna were suspended with obvious 2 week breaks.
But surprisingly, so was Rosemi.

Rosemi was one of the bullies too. You people don't see how fake her whole act is.

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>>70015203
>very temperamental fans, a.k.a they'll leave in a month
Sure, drama numbers will drop off; that happened to Sayu after she first reincarnated. But I suspect that Dokibird, for example, would be able to retain a higher proportion of her current viewership thanks to her collars with the other /lig/ types which enable her to become part of a community again. Similarly, I think Rosemi would be in a better position than most of the current Nijis in terms of being able to function outside the company because her pre-existing connections to Dizzy and Ember could give her access to collabs and the corpo resources of Phase.

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>>70010619
I remember when she said she didn't want to stream with guys and then started spamming collabs with them like a month later. Kinda stopped paying attention to her after that, males (especially niji ones) are unbearable to listen to.

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>>70015624
Indeed, I think that Rosemi fans (and those of other non-clique-associated Nijis like Scarle) would generally be happy to hear their oshi was graduating, which would be a bizarre thing to think about in any other context.

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>>70015693
she was in Japan ya goof

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>>70015837
she probably had no choice or was pressured/gaslit into it if she changed her mind that fast

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>>70016210
>she probably had no choice
It seems like this is the common theme for all of Niji EN and we talk about a liver with no feeling of self worth whatsoever after all.

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>>70015693
>>70015974
leakers told us nobody but uki is suspended, though we dont know what clique was told in their extended PR sessions.
we also know rosemi is in graduation queue and that she is not part of clique.

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>>70010619
I would not call it leeching...
but she could lean on Doki if their friendship is intact
She has a better path to being indie than most if she never burned a very stable bridge

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>>70016697
>we also know rosemi is in graduation queue
That was a guy claiming to be LK, nothing happened on the 23rd. For all we know Rosemi and Petra are planning to roll with the company.

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>>70015764
>better position than most of the current Nijis in terms of being able to function outside the company because her pre-existing connections to Dizzy and Ember
This is true and Rosemi knows this, but Rosemi also knows the situation better than us, so who knows what's going on there. Hard to speculate on that one.

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>>70010863
Careful, you just called out her entire fanbase.

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>>70011864
I think she viewed vtubing as an escape, and once it became her full time job her passion for it has been lukewarm and not what it once was. She did so many guerrillas while waging and seemed over all more open. Current Rosemi would never do something like her life stories zatsudan.

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>>70017313
that post did not have a date anon. It was not the same post.

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>>70012376
Does she have a new flavor of mental illness or sadness they don't have yet?

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>>70016697
>muh leaker LARP
Can you admit you believe that shit just because he clears Rosemi's name and basically places all blame on Elira, Enna and Millie?

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>>70018210
She will have to accept there is no Escape
Anything other than wasting away takes effort

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>>70018390
but it is your fault

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>>70017313
People followed the rose and she just retweeted the black screen video.

She’s not stupid, she’s not going to be as outwardly hostile. For all we know she can be shrewd, opportunistic, and cynical. People being thinking she’s this naïve child that never swears or something

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>>70010619
Do people really believe this? these women are playing characters, now handwaving this for the sake of immersion and enjoyment duirng streams is prefectly reasonable, but using it as a cope isn't

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>>70018390
no, I believe it because I figured out who LK is and because everything LK ever said was either proven correct or is very likely. Im also reasonably sure I know who the other one is, but I cant prove that, so thatd just be an educated guess.
Ive unironically never watched Rosemi.

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>>70018674
kys Millie :)

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>>70018831
Nuh uh
No one could have guessed Kyo's graduation, Selen's termination was one everyone saw coming, and Pomu's graduation was just your garden variety NijiEN doomposting.

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>>70018300
Her brand of being shy, dorky and a bit autistic would overlap a bit with some current Phase members like Jelly or Panko, though that could just give her some new friends to hang out with, like the dynamic she had initially with Petra (which unfortunately seems to have drifted apart over time).

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>>70019123
He also predicted Selen's sudoku attempt and that they would attempt to character assassinate her afterwards.

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>>70019123
what about leaking selens second attempt on the day it happened, which was only really confirmed by doki around the time of the blackscreenstream? I felt that was the strongest argument. Not the only one though.
also its not hard to figure out who LK is. Im not a longterm niji watcher or anything and I could figure it out. Ive seen other anons who clearly either knew or had a correct educated guess, though their reasoning was never actually posted.

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>>70019298
Didn't predict shit, everyone was guessing that since she posted a fucking hospital band on her twitter. Same with getting Zaion'd, it was 50/50 on that or getting a Yugo graduation.

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>>70019298
>and that they would attempt to character assassinate her afterwards.
You mean like what they did with Zaion? I could've told you that

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>>70019866
I mean it's a lot more believable now that they've done it. Hindsight and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think Rosemi is about to torpedo a reasonably successful career for some internet brownie point, however after the events of the past few weeks I can see her taking a look at some alternative options for herself if things go tits up.

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>>70020096
Things already went tits up. They literally could not have painted themselves more into a corner.

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>>70020096
>for some internet brownie point
That's not really the reason that people are speculating about graduations, it's more about the toxic work environment that seems to have formed over time which would push people away from Niji (like what happened with Nina and Pomu in their own ways), coupled with how negative the corpo's public reputation is now.

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>>70020096
This is career-saving in the long run. Plus, she considered Selen a friend and told her she loves her.

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>>70019866
>>70020010
I definitely wasn't expecting them to try that strategy again after their attempt with Zaion had already backfired in the long run (after "One Girl's Story").

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>>70010619
Save me pink woman!

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>>70020625
No one was realistically expecting it because it would be fucking stupid to do it, especially to their biggest female talent. Case in point, this fucking dumpster fire.

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>>70020010
It's not hindsight, they did the same "posting pages long firing document" shtick and got finana to do the now classic SHE GASLIGHTED ME. It was just on a smaller scale because zaion was only there for a few months.

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>>70010619
>Does she just wait until it's her time to graduate?
If the leaker is to be believed (still skeptical about some statements made), it is very likely she is on the graduation list and just waiting. She could want out, her positivity is pretty much gone - so she is a likely candidate. You could feel it on Pomu too, after they sabotaged her MSG collab, something just killed her enthusiasm and it was over after that.

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>>70020096
to be number 3 in the graduation queue, rosemi would have had to put in her notice months ago, could still take quite a while until they actually let her go though. japanese autism and stocks etc.

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>>70020965
>MSG
oh and idk but Rosemi has never felt the same (to me) since she stopped waging, whereas with Pomu she hid her disdain of kurosanji well, or her love of Pomies was so great that to me she never really lost the drive in a tangible sense. Sure she wanted out, but she gave 100% the whole time.

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>>70020965
>still skeptical about some statements made
which statements are you sceptical about, LKs?

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Midsemi Midlock

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>>70020938
Yes, I just found Sayu because of this drama, so say what you want. I'm happy I found her because she's great. Didn't even get what happened to Zaion back then because I didn't watch much Niji EN back then, as if it was obvious that something was off and that it was much less enjoyable already.
>>70021262
They hated Pomu because Pomu genuinely loved her audience and her success spoke for itself. Just compare her to that bitter and resentful Finana who seems to hate her audience.

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>>70019123
>and Pomu's graduation was just your garden variety NijiEN doomposting
hard disagree. when she released members shit to everyone it became evident that all the doomposting concerning pomu were members leaking shit.

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>>70021865
I didn't member'd and even I knew she wasn't her usual self. Her excitement had the same vibe as Ame when was feeling burnout. She openly said last year she was only staying for the pomudachis.

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>>70010619
Post membership.

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>>70018300
she's the one piece sakana lacks to complete his tsunderia set

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>>70018300
Outside of low self esteem, she'd probably be the sanest Phase girl.

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>>70029694
The Tsunderia Exodia.

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>>70014305

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>>70010709
I remeber how strained she was after releasing her indie game. Even though it was a grueling endeavour she completed it but not to a lot of fan fare or feelings of self accomplishment. Did anyone else play it?

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>>70030086
Are you talking about the RPG make game she made for last year's Obsydia anniversary? I didn't even know she released it lol
But Rosemi has always been weirdly obstinate about most things. If I had to hazard a guess, she's probably proud she did and maybe didn't need much outside validation, despite it being nice.
As an earlier fan of hers, she'd get autistic about certain things. One of my theories for why she seemed to change so much after she quit waging, in that her she formerly cared more about her content and creativity and later on she seemed to care more about making connections and collabing, is that prior to her being able to leave the internship in good standing, she'd basically overwork herself and got next to no sleep.
Her appearance at the besties off collab was also a surprise since that was one of the few times she told fans she'd be taking a break, but honestly I think Rosemi needed maybe a 2 week break, and IIRC around that time she also mentioned like not being in speaking terms with a former friend of hers that she liked so much she wanted to bring her on-stream.

But eh, shoulda coulda woulda.

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>>70029766
Sanest ones are Runie (who's dad is dead and she has daddy issues while she misses him dearly), Hina (mentally retarded), Iori (retarded like a deer), Yuu (huge dork), and Pico (for now, keeps getting gaslit by Michiru and Nasa)

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>>70012706
Phase has better profit sharing than most corpos and she might make enough to not have a second job if she lives somewhere cheap.

[Anonymous No.]

a lot of people who dont watch da wose itt

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>>70030666
perhaps every chuuba is like this but rosemi's the first case that made me realize fans come and go, like in revolving doors
it seems there are few that really liked her near debut keeping up with her nowadays

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>>70030929
I tried but NijiEN really pushed it to a point where it was hard to support anyone there.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't imagine the bullshit Rosemi and Scarle are being fed to make them think they still need Niji to succeed.

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>>70030666
her girlfailure arc at the beginning of her Niji career was actually endearing, but as a few other anons have said, she seemed to have lost her passion and creativity and got pretty boring

>>70029694
I don't know much about Tsunderia but I'd like to see the Dizzy, Ember, and Rosemi collabs. Her 'sad girl' qualification would be black company survivor, which I think so far only Airi has.

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>>70033065
>she seemed to have lost her passion and creativity and got pretty boring
I've watched her regularly since debut and I just don't agree. Her most recent rock/metal karaoke was one of the best karaoke streams I've ever watched, her tekken 8 arc was amazing even if it got brutally cut short, her MDA streams were chill and fun and her mengens are always fantastic. She has dips and peaks but in general I think she's still a fantastic streamer with a lot of drive. I don't think the passion's gone at all.

[Anonymous No.]

Rosemi WILL join phase connect and you WILL be happy.

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>>70010863
Your problem is thinking Elira was some kind of 200 IQ mastermind. She IS an airheaded harry potter stan who shills softcore porn of homosexual teen boys fighting each other on stream.

She's just also the kind of narcissist who will always think "it's not my fault" as she cuts your dick off and force feeds it to you.

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>>70033606
well yeah, anything is better than nijisanji.

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>>70033041
I doubt Rosemi feels like she needs Niji. She could already be in line for graduation, but she's still handling her streaming duties professionally for now, which is the wise and professional thing to do while the dust is still settling.

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>>70033606
I imagine Fishman how he tries to convince her to join as if he was Darth Vader and Phase Connect was her destiny.

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>>70033514
I also dropped her and one of the reasons was the energy. It wasn't the same the times I tried watching her. I guess I haven't really given her a try since she was at her lowest, but it doesn't really inspire confidence in me when she hasn't really tackled games she said she really wanted to play, like OoT and MM, among others. I don't know if creative streams were all relegated to members only stuff, but no more RNL or Game Shows like the ones she organized; I only hope she has kept space cop or whatever tangentially thing was born from that alive. Does she still do guerrillas? Does she still talk about her family?
>mengens are always fantastic
I agree, which is why I want her to be an indie, because having to have structure bogs her down. I think she'd enjoy vtubing a lot more as an indie, free of kurosanji, who could play whatever game she wanted, she usually plays at least 2 from the member streams I remember, and if she ended every stream with a karaoke/zatsudan.
Also, why'd she lose Tekken 8 perms lol?

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>>70038893
honestly i know nothing about fishman or phase, but if the dude would have the balls to pull rosemi out and cover her ass for breaking contract, i would unironically oshi his company.

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>>70040631
nta
Ive never watched her before, but if she leaves to better shores, Im definitely gonna hang out when I can. Shes a good person, she deserves to succeed.

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>>70040631
>listening to actual retards on this website about perms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z3XpOdwFZM

[Anonymous No.]

Rosemi chose the clique

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>>70040631
especially after these newest rrats dropped, it just seems as if elira's clique just made her fall in line, as if she was too good before. the rose surely wouldn't stand up for herself.

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>>70042549
think the anon just isnt aware that she didnt lose perms, just that she stopped streaming cause illness (?)

>>70042604
which rrat specifically?

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>>70041391
It wouldn't be the first time he's hiring a former talent from AnyColor

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>>70015410
brown hands typed this post

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>>70010619
You dont know who she is evidently. Stay pure

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>>70043627
He already has an ex-Niji? Which one?

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck no one ever tells the bullied they tend to be majority most of the time and they can easily turn the situation around if they just gather together and confront the bullies as a group?

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>>70010619
All of this rosemi worship doesn't translate to actual clicks and supas. Her most recent stream got some because it had been weeks and she's been labeled "good" in this drama.

But I remember even her second to last outfit reveal got barely any supas and I was shocked. Vox breathes and a rain of akas flood in.

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>>70045838
Nasa used to be in Yumenographia.

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>>70045840
For many reasons. Lack of confidence, no hope the issue will be resolved, the bullying that occurs may be implicit and not very outwardly apparent meaning little documentation that devolves into he says/she says.
Either way, I think Rosemi just tried to keep friendly relationships with everyone. She doesn't seem the type that'd rock the boat alone. Maybe she'd have followed if several people stood up to it first.
>>70046209
Some the old rosebuds ITT might be able to confirm this, but I think despite her CCV enduring, actual monetary support went down after the besties off collab.

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>>70046209
I'm not doing anything that helps Niji.

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>>70015974
she was my first oshi, but I let her go as niji revealed itself over time. would be happy to see her in holo or PC, or even just indie. From what ive heard the tsunderia connection lives on... I just imagine rosemi collabs in the PC sphere, if she fits in well there, might bring me to tears. 'ate niji, luv wosemi, simple as.