Can Enna/Vox/etc. fans weigh in?

[Anonymous No.]

Are these people truly mean and stupid enough to bully someone the way Selen claimed?
I almost find it hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
oh no, which holo went on hiatus this time doritosister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
you need to be able to work in society to know that these things actually happen.

>>69901916
you tell me sis, which niji is graduating next month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902004
kek, brown hands BTFO
>>69901880
how does it feel to be brown, OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
emphasis on claim and it's still unproven because the accusor refuses to show any proof while it's proven she's thin-skinned and has BPD making her claims debatable

[Anonymous No.]

Nijicope.
Enna is a blatant sociopath and it's obvious from just watching any stream.
The rrat that she was a bully pre-dates the whole Selen fiasco by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902242
2% brown motherfucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
>stupid enough
Don't underestimate them. They're so *laughs* confident on that black box stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
Post her medical records, I dare you, motherfucker

[Anonymous No.]

Enna 100%. She bragged about bullying people, and has known anger issues. We've literally witnessed her bullying random people like Doppio for no reason. She showed great disrespect to Pomu at one point not even caring it was her senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

Vox tends to worship the ground Riku stands upon and kisses his feet for allowing him to make money in his pathetic life. He treats Riku like a religious figure.
I don't think he's an active bully, but I can see him defending the company if it comes down to it.

[Anonymous No.]

Are we forgetting one of Enna's characteristics is shitting on her own chat? Like she'll just randomly single out longtime subscribers and call them incels and virgins and other abusive things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
>the way Selen claimed
which is what exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904128
Niji fans truly are cucks for supporting this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
>The way Selen claimed
You mean the way they claimed themselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
It was pretty odd that two of the choices for the black video was Vox and Ike, who were probably the two closest to Selen following Pomu and Rosemi. If those two were willing to betray her, then the situation behind the scenes seems pretty rough. Or they are all young idiots with little life experience who can be manipulated to dumb shit, but how likely is that anyhow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904363
doki confirmed the claim, and no niji didn't claim, they stated what doki claim, learn English

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904561
>stated what doki claim(ed)
share the exact claim with source

[Anonymous No.]

>>69903979
>Doppio for no reason
Doesn't Doppio's PL unironically follow Sayu on X? He's a good guy and that's a crime.
>She showed great disrespect to Pomu
Elira's clique, including Enna of course, sabotaged everything Pomu did. Pomu was Niji EN's top earner by a long shot, she loved her chat, she was ambitious and creative. I can't imagine how much Enna in particular must have hated her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Dragoon here
gonna be honest chief, Selen was a funny girl, but when she didnt get what she want she was a insuferable cunt
the Revengance stream express it well enough, people wanted to teach her to satzu, a ESCENTIAL mechanic to not rage quite.
she procede to "do the tutorial" and be a sour cunt the rest of the stream
shit was bad
Another example is the Chinese lenguage stream with Enna, who dont know cantonese, so selen just dunk on her
prime toxic gamer behavior
what does it all mean? Niji EN is a sespool of toxic people. Sele, enna,vox, etc included

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904526
Vox was backstabbed hard by Selen secretly recording their private convos and using them for leverage against the company where he works. I can see why he would want to voice his opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
>Dragoon here
yeah sure lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904561
Harrasment was the only thing mention in the niji video
Give any specific or GTFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904128
Have you never heard of bantering? It's just pals teasing each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904765
According to selen and to the leaker anon, said recording was just audio test smalltalk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
Okay Enna

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
if you were an actual dragoon you would know that she has tried to move on from this, and that it was niji who decided to escale this after she redebuted her old account

what im trying to say is: riku tatsumi is not going to fuck you, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
Sure Enna, the Cantonese stream was the funniest thing ever. Were you so butthurt about some light Cantonese bantering that you sicced the clique at her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Here's what happened: Selen was never someone easy to work with, as proven by her frequent manager swaps. People in Nijisanji got tired of her bullshit and started treating her like that retard in a Discord group that keeps causing trouble but doesn't leave, because NijiEN was allowed to act like a high school playground up until very recently. So that way she was "bullied", but what's left out is that she kept trying to get her way by any means and kept burning bridges. It all culminated in a menhera fit when she took the nuclear option and performed a suicide "attempt" after her precious Last Coffee MV got privated over permissions bullshit (there are no innocents in this tale, the clique is real because Nijisanji sucks), which is to say inflicted self-harm as attention-grabbing behavior. Instead of the Cover approach of never speaking about embarrassing shit ever again, NijiEN in all its wisdom decided to reveal details that would only be known to people privy to the leak clique in order to get them on their side; it backfired spectacularly as the common chuuba fan knows them for being a shit company to work for. Selenbirb quickly realized it was in her interest to magnify her role as a poor victim to the millionth degree while playing the part of someone trying to cool things down, and so she became a martyr.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Enna's entire stream persona is "I'm a bitch who hates you." If that's how she plans to attract money, it's not a huge leap to presume she acts that way offline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905408
Selen's entire stream persona is "I'm a bitch who treats you like a retard." If that's how she plans to attract money, it's not a huge leap to presume she acts that way offline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904561
Read the niji EN termination notice. It reads that Selen called out management for internal bullying.
She has not mentioned bullying in any format statement and always frames her attempts as a "result of a buildup".
Niji on the other hand says that Selen requested action due to internal builying. Meaning that management is stupid enough to communicate to the public that Selen believes to have been bullied in the company. Thing that she has not said. Painting a target on other livers at the same time.
And also, by communicating selen's accusations, they have admitted that they do not believe internal bullying has ocurred.While implying they are not willing to investigate and confirm or deny thoroughly her accusations.

[Anonymous No.]

>enna is literally /here/
how's that revenue drop treating you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905295
> frequent manager swaps
yeah,nah.
>realize your stuff keeps getting stonewalled
>realize it's the clique
>re-roll new manager until you get one that is not part of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905915
>be BPD bitch that can't be reasoned with
>company keeps swapping managers to accommodate your aggressive retardation and lack of respect for guidelines
>be on your third manager
>everyone hates you and won't bother sugar coating it
>cry "BULLIES!"
Fuck Selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906179
>keeps bitching out at mane-chan
>"ok, let's try this guy instead..."
>keeps bitching out at mane-chan
>"wtf... fine, let's try this again.."
>keeps bitching out at mane-chan
>"FUCK'S SAKE YOU WHORE WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE!?"
>BULLIES! BULLIES!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905295
In your narrative he's a impulsive menhera, yet she's also capable of long term manipulation for her own benefit, and having the actual impulse control to not escalate things past certain point(evident by the fact that she no longer mentions the situation). Don't you think that, if she was an menhera as you're trying to portray her, she would be far more proactive at trying to gather attention for that situation, instead of making on twit, and other as a reaction, and being quiet on the whole situation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906184
Sister. I'm gonna be honest with you. This narrative isn't working. Find a better one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
People convinced: 0

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906281
>he thinks menheras can't be calculating whores when the situation calls for it
Who's Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905295
nah
practice your creative writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906304
Yeah, you've already convinced yourself that muh dokibirb is a poor little victim that can do no wrong. She's made mad bank doing nothing but selling a victim story, but she's an innocent little girl who can't ever do anything wrong. Get real retard, people with morals don't use suicide attempts and tall tales to earn a living.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906184
Let's be real here. You should adjust your narrative. To you it might sound like you're slandering Doki by mentioning her issues with rules, guidelines, etc, but im going to be real here - NO ONE gives a single shit about bureaucratic process inside a fucking corporation. No one. 90% Of people would gladly avoid doing these procedures, and would only cheer for those who do. Get some new material. Not to mention it makes you look like a corporate bootlicker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906417
>hurf durf nuh huh
Nothing was refuted and I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906496
>NO ONE gives a single shit about bureaucratic process inside a fucking corporation
You should, because that's the lynchpin of whether her whining is based on facts and her employers really did breach the rules of the contract she signed, or just whining. And guess what, it's just whining!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905295
>Selen was never someone easy to work with
Everyone who has ever worked with her outside of Nijisanji says the opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906471
I mean its fine if she's blackmailing a chink sweatshop who treats workers like shit. She made Riku bow to her in shame with nothing but her manipulation alone. I can respect that. She did one move an the house of cards fell apart. Sasuga, Selen Chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905915
yeah you can't read anon

niji simply stated what selen claims
doki confirms it

burden on proof falls on doki which should be on her to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906276
Then why character assassinate her publicly instead of staying professional?
see Vesper graduation. He also was not cut out for JP corpo bs.

She wanted out, the dragoons wanted her out. Everyone knew she was about to be done.
Just separate like normal corpos would.

And to be honest I don't get why you have such a hard on for her.
This whole thing isn't really about her now anyways and it was just the spark that set everything on fire.
It's the PR releases and how they respond to all of this why I want NijiEN (and proper for that manner) to burn to the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69905915
>they have admitted that they do not believe internal bullying has ocurred
Actually, if I remember the wording from their document right, they said something more along the lines of "no unjustified actions taken against Selen", which people have been taking as "there was no bullying". On the contrary, they're saying that any and all actions taken against Selen, behind the scenes, were justified in their eyes. "It's her own damn fault that she was being harassed and bullied" is what the termination notice says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906755
>her own damn fault
Prime wife beater logic right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906338
Rushia practically terminated herself by doing retarded moves constantly. Doki just made one tweet, and other in reply to an attempted smearing campaign. For a BPD menhera Selen is very composed, rational and forward thinking, especially compared to Rushia.

[Anonymous No.]

As a fan I can say Enna is someone who is not a doormat. She will stand up for herself. In that way I can see her as a "bully" if Selen threw the first stone. She is sweet to her friends and mean to her enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906831
That's the point I was trying to make about their statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Girl was suicidal, suicidal people are not good on the head so you can't really take EVERYTHING they say as 100% truth.
Specially when she backed from her "document" saying that it was what she wrote on her darkest day and that's her only mention about other chuubas.
Sure, she had a horrible and stressful time that actually cracked her (which we all know from experience that isn't really hard to achieve) but I firmly believe it came from Niji's extremely negligent management and not actual peer to peer bullying, at least there's a lot of proofs about Niji's horrible management and not enough about actual liver to liver bullying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906184
Shit Elira, shouldn't you be streaming or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906527
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You're getting the lingo, but you're using it in the wrong context. Unsurprising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906755
Exactly. And their reasoning stating for reaching this conclusion was "we believe her claims of mismanagement are just her trying to shift the blame".

Literally "we did nothing wrong, so it's all her fault".

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904128
I have to superchat my oshi for this shit and even then she refuses. Ennafags, I'm comming home!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
>Dragoon here
Who do you think you're fooling?

[Anonymous No.]

Vox paid for Selen's Minecraft project when she wasn't allowed to do it. I just think that he was hurt by the recording stuff without full context of said recording.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
Every thread a sister posts this, and every thread I ask why niji hasn't deboonked the allegations since they have all the logs Selen sent as evidence and showed them to everyone she implicated.
Niji is refusing to post piles and piles of Dokibird-killing material, according to sisters in every thread. Why is that, sis? You never have an answer for me.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't watch any niji fags so I don't know enough about these retards but I have to ask about this

>very soft and sweet which makes her easily bullied to the point of trying to rope twice
>actually she's so strong and tough and just wants to move on guys

Every time I see someone talking about Selen it reads like a different person

How many of you are just projecting this image you have onto her and how many of you are actually looking at her behavior objectively?

Is she strong or is she weak?

Do any of you even know what the "bullying" was? Or is it just asspull speculation from a bunch of retards that don't talk to people outside of the boards

If I was a massive faggot at work and routinely made shit hard for everyone else, if they get upset with me because of that is it bullying?

Please make it make sense for me. I want to know who to shit on without all this he said she said bullshit and leak larps by some dude who's ass hasn't seen soap in 32 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Nah, they are actually kinda dumb and that's it, that's why we love them, here's a freebie, niji actually does have something over their heads (practically finished projects, visa, etc)
They aren't awful people, they really aren't, just like Doki is not awful either... this situation came to be by pure stupidity of higher ups

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907138
there's nothing to debunk, burden of proof is on doki on the bullying, bad and management and favoritism allegations however are no secret, niji fans would agree with you on that, doki and sayu are delusional for that coz those are obvious from niji fans pov

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902048
>t. Amerimutt

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Yes, asking their fans directly is a great way to get an unbiased answer. Just as much as you'll get an unbiased answer out of Doki fans.

The bottom line is; in the absolute worst case scenario, Doki overreacted to mostly benign cajoling from coworkers. She was subversive to a management that kept denying permissions to her doing cool things for the community. It was their own company that created a situation that implicated their own livers. As of yet there is still no indication that any suits or legal complaints have been filed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907277
SPEAK YOUR TRUTH SISTA
YAAAAS QUEEN
MY BEAUTIFUL SWEET GENIUS YAAAS

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906687
>niji simply stated what selen claims
Niji claimed bullying "by livers."
>doki confirms it
Doki claimed bullying.

Know the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Probably around 200lbs or more

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906912
>actual peer to peer bullying
It's 100% the self-regulation in EN
and the "we talked to her" Vox mentioned

>Clique decided she needs to be reprehended
>A dozen people start pestering her on how she should do things and stop other things.

Ganging up this way is harassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907364
damn sounds like a school principal wanting to punish the victim for getting bullied

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907412
holy shit you can't read, this generation is fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907138
Those are private. They can't debunk the accusations if Doki doesn't release the accusations publicly first. Doki doesn't want to release them. Dramabirds are fanficcing what those accusations could be. Niji is fked because they're guilty before proven innocent, or even more precisely guilty before a case has even been made. I hope Doki won't have to face consequences from her fanbase defaming Niji. She's told them to not harass.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy fucking shit the "Burden of Proof" fags are at it again. Burden of proof is a LEGAL precedent. We are not all lawyers jockeying over money. We're all just shitposters squabbling over a matter of public opinion. She's not required to give anyone anything, and frankly if Niji would have kept it's mouth shut about it, the impact truly would have been negligible, and people wouldn't need to be crying out for "proof."

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907409
>>69907670
#MeToo

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
I've seen more brutal bullying in high school for less, so yes, it is very easy to believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907364
Niji publishes contents of Selen's private legal documents, and that puts a burden of proof on Selen to publicly prove them? Sisters are operating on a whole other level of delusion. She gave you nothing to work with, so you gaslight yourselves into forgetting what's actually happened and then expect non-sisters to be convinced by your literal make-believe.

[Anonymous No.]

OP is gen alpha oh fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907412
Esl-kun..

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907670
>getting bullied
>victim
>unproven
>won't show proof
>we don't know what was the bullying

yeah doki is delusional and the cult she created

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yDiQTUf22U
No, never.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907711
But they don't need to use her exact documents. Her proof will be logs of her correspondences with management and other kidneys. Niji could publish their own screens of these to deboonk her. They obviously know this, yet they don't. If it didn't look bad, they would have done it. They're desperate for good PR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907735
Maybe some people don't want to chimp out and set fire to shit because of what people "think" happened

You don't need to get the pitchforks because some overweight hag behind a chinese cartoon says something happened and used all the hooks that globally get you immediate sympathy without follow up speculation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
The accusers are niji en's official Twitter, and the 3 stooges themselves.
Doki never mentioned anything about being bullied, she doesn't have to prove shit. It's all been self owns from the very beginning

[Anonymous No.]

sisters stop flooding the catalog and fuck off back to your shitcord

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907735
>>69907793
easy for you to say when you've never been falsely accused, and the accuser gets believed without showing any proof as if it's proven, it's not, it's really ez, show proof

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907855
You can instantly tell a Nijisister is making this argument because they honestly think Twitter is a court of law.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908042
doki sent them documents to scare them, the accused challenge her publicly then she wants to move on, burden of proof is clearly on doki

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
No. Even Selen admits that the "bullying" she received was just other livers asking her what she was thinking when she uploaded her music video without getting approval from management. It's why she started blocking people on twitter for saying nice things about Millie after she asked questions along those lines in response to the tweets crying about the video being set to private.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908157
doki is running, false accuser energy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904561
>learn English
The irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908187
39iq logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907704
>>69907815
>talk about reading comprehension
>don't understand words
Were your schools underfunded or something? AnyKuro sets their livers up as targets, and you have its cock so far down your throat you believe them when they say "uhh, it's totally Selen who wrote her own termination letter and blamed the livers."
Meanwhile Doki just wants you to fuck off and tells everyone she was bullied and mismanaged but to forget about it she doesn't want anyone else to be harassed.
Fuck, I know ESL with better reading comprehension than you retards.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are Chinese women like this? Could my 7 inch veiny white cock have saved them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908287
>>69908274
karma is coming to dookiebird soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908316
No they are beyond redemption

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
>Vox
Yes
>Enna
Yes
Next question

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908303
zero self awareness, I see, no wonder y'all eat up an unproven accusation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908351
>surely my projections will materialize into reality the 2434th time

[Anonymous No.]

I mourn the day tumblr died and these people escaped containment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908474
Post Doki's claim of bullying from the livers. Here is anykuro's btw. No one suspected livers until this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908550
shut up dookiebird, third time's the charm

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908351

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908269
But enough about Elira ghosting everyone online and fleeing to Japan to escape defamation ligitation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
Enna here
I have to disagree cause I’m a spiteful bitch and conflict is in my nature.
You are white, and that means you have no soul.
Or you are SEA, and that is even worse because you are basically the equivalent of a monkey.
Selen is hard working, talented, naturally funny, and honest to a fault.
That is why we ugly skank bitches hated her and every other girls who was more succesful than us.
Because we are no talent having, lazy, entitled, power hungry bitches who love money and cock.
Kindly go back to eating pagpag in your mudhut and MAKE AN ATTEMPT to be a better person.

>Wow, I can’t believe Enna actually said that…

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908659
Damn Enna kill yourself already

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901916
where are your livers' play buttons nijibrony?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908474
>unproven accusation
with Zaion people still gave you looners the benefit of the doubt in favor of Nishitsanji.
But after 1 year of constant issues with management, people leaving and claims of mismanagement and toxic work environment from ex-organs it's flipped now.
The benefit of the doubt is now in favor of the party leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908601
>she claimed

see, niji didn't

>suspected

bcuz u a dumb fuck who can't read, anybody who can read or have a common sense would wait for proof but you're a reactive drone who went on a witchhunt instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
they are nijicucks, they are not going to admit anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908601
Important to note that Niji accuses Selen of saying things without providing proof of that either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908768
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908789
iq above 39 is not allowed in this thread please leave

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907277
She isn't soft or though. She's just a workaholic who will hunker down and try to make shit happen. Her success made the clique mad and they kept sabotaging her since last year, when the voice pack stuff happened, her projects started to get bogged down by red tape.

Here's some food for thought, selen had twice as many ccv and subscribers yet half as much merch and sponsors as Elira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908768
>bcuz u a dumb fuck who can't read, anybody who can read or have a common sense
Imagine an ESL lecturing anyone on English reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908789
eliras video proved selen went on a rule breaking spree, also doki did confirm the selen claims bullying that was stated, emphasis on stated not claim, u illiterate fucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908351
Hit a sore spot?

Doki’s karma is that she will be rich and successful and happy with her place in the world. The rest of nijiEN are getting their karma too, they will be jobless, hated, and angry at the world because they can’t understand how their actions could have lead to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908303
You're embarrassing yourself..

[Anonymous No.]

>OP asks for Enna/vox/etc fans
>they come here but shit on Selen instead of defending their livers
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908742
Sayu debunked all that matters that are relevant to hers, also bad management and favoritism are no secret, she didn't debunked shit, it was obvious for niji fans

stop strraw coz there's no bullying with Zaion she even spoke well about all of them unlike Dookiebird

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908961
Elira's video also proves she's brain dead and thought an HR document was a doxx threat, you retarded fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Thank you based dramatards and dumb shitskin ESL women for keeping this alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908961
Please refrain from calling anyone illiterate fucks when you can't even speak English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908900
Do we know how merch and sponsor stuff is decided? Genuinely curious about that process

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909172
Sure she did, had nothing to do with the horde of parasocial chinks on her tail.

[Anonymous No.]

Dear, sisters
There is no narrative that you can push. Doki is a "BPD" menhera, Doki was the mastermind who brought down NijiEN, or what about "both sides." Sayu is disgusting, Sayu is equally as bad as NijiEN, or Sayu is a "clout chaser." Whatever, none of that changes the fact that NijisanjiEN is dead. All of your "livers" will be gone by the end of the year. Vox and the others are going to be out of a job. Meanwhile, Hololive EN, other corpos, Dokibird, Sayu along with every other talent that was harmed by Niji will live on and there is nothing you can do about it sisters. Cope you femcel sub-human bitches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909068
Self report is the theme of the month

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909011
yeah dookiebird is fatso so she's definitely soft

[Anonymous No.]

I believe management is retarded
I believe niji is a black company and I believe "talents" are a bunch of narcissistic faggots
I do not believe the bullying narrative, there's no solid proof and there's a reason she wants to "move on" and took a defensive attitude, I know bullies, if anything I'd believe Selen behaves like a bully sometimes, she's clearly a menhera who loves playing the victim, and I always though something was wrong with her, always, she's a resentful numberfag who's willing do anything for success, it's impossible to talk about it now because this board is flooded with redditors, normalfags, and twitter tourists, but before /vt/ did a 180 on this issue I remember how much people used to hate Selen (and selen posters)
Call me a nijinigger -or your fav buzzword- I don't care, I don't watch nijisanji but I did watch Selen for a while, I still remember her holdfast stream that was fun, but it's hilarious how this board simps for one of the most annoying chinks in the vtubing sphere because they are that easy to manipulate

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909173
The fact that Elira even knows what was in that document is probably enough for a lawsuit

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder, the day after Zaion's termination, Enna said she was up partying the night before with her friends.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NCgPCYyZM&t=1098
The clique literally "celebrated" Zaion's termination like it was a fucking holiday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909172
>there's no bullying with Zaion she even spoke well about all of them

Sure she did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnP5bIRfwq0

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909361
>dookiebird
Keep that in the VC Enna

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909451
I don't give a fuck about doki to be desu, I just fucking hate this company and its fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908085
>I falsely accused myself
kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909451
>I believe management is retarded
>I believe niji is a black company and I believe "talents" are a bunch of narcissistic faggots
yeah and that is what the board is shitting on.
Only sisters keep bringing up the MV perms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909252
Either talent or management reach out to the sponsors and vice-versa. Then management makes it happen.
With the case of merch, the management has final say on who gets what.
If we take the leaks about Elira being the manager/liaison between EN and JP seriously, Elira had final say on how stuff got distributed and who got to do what

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909679
Reminder

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Rratposter here.

These people were bullying her under the guise of disciplining her. This is why they latched onto the "In my opinion, this is not harassment" narrative. It's very obvious that they're trying to blur the lines while it's clearly bullying

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909679
It's not just distribution but probably all communication in EN.
So if a sponsor reaches out in EN it will probably go trough her.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT teenage girls come on 4chan to try and own 30 year old autistic boomers who just laugh at them

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909335
>UHH D-DEAR SISTERS
You sister fags are shitting up this board worse than the nijicucks

If some fat menhera BPD bitch is milking retards out of their paychecks cause she made up a sob story after ruining her career then she deserves to lose her shit

If some retards can't do their EASY manager jobs right and make it hard for people work there, the company deserves to burn

If some monkeys who peaked in middle school do some mean girl shit and make it hard to work at the company, they deserve to lose their shit.

>Muh dragoons XD
>muh niji family

Both groups are faggots and I hope both of them end up losing their careers

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909451
"i dont like her so much that i will openly call her 'one of the most annoying chinks in the vtubing sphere' but trust me i'm not biased as fuck just because i also hate nijisanji"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909829
>implying you arent a seething ninisister
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Vox is so up his own ass that he'd do the shittiest things and think that he's helping.
Enna is well known to be a cunt, it's why she's popular.

[Anonymous No.]

it's pretty simple, where's the proof of bullying? yeah zero

meanwhile, she admitted before she has BPD, and went on a meltdown in 6-7 streams where she couldn't handle light banter

anyone who can't see through dookiebird is on the wrong side of history

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909880
>implying you retards don't make up 65% of the threads on this board in the past 2 weeks
Let me know when you've evolved past your tribalistic, shit eating, flea-ridden, vitamin d deficient monkey brain and are able to realize that not everyone against you "must be a niji fan"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910074

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910074
*cums on you*

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
weight in?
I wonder who is the most fatvin nijisanji as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
Sayu/Zaion backed up Doki/Selen's claims.Sup, Vox. You're back to sucking cocks in the sex dungeon again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910074
Sister post feet please

[Anonymous No.]

I see sisters aren't sending their brightest as per usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910125
It was fine when it was just the dramafaggots masturbating in the odd niji thread. The doxxsisters were the ones that started flooding literally everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910125
Keep crying about sister lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910125
>"must be a niji fan"
But you are a Niji because I said so faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909732
That Sanrio shit was disgusting.
How the fuck are you one of the people asking asking for it but they give a spot to a dude who somehow didn't even know what the fuck it was about. Absolutely no favoritism and bully though, just an oopsiepoopsie mismanagement from a high-school kid in Japan hah ha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909252
> Do we know how merch and sponsor stuff is decided?
I appoint the sponsors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
the bullying seems to be a bunch of other livers messaging her going "wtf are you doing" when she went rogue on her selen account tweeting anti-company shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
>Dragoon
Should've name it ex-dragoon and make it sounds convincing kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
>Dragoon here
>Not calling yourself goon
Fake faggot fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910879
It's not the livers on there own.
It's 100% coordinated messaging like on the twitter accounts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904765
>Vox was backstabbed hard by Selen
But why does he fear a random recording that hard? is like whatever it was recorded was really bad for its career.
But since they're best friend such thing would never happened and Le retard Vox wouldn't have anything to fear at all.

[Anonymous No.]

NDF is getting stale, they're going back on circles with the same arguments, they're even using the first day defense again.
Cope, stay silent and GTFO that's a better defense than trying the 39IQ defense.

[Anonymous No.]

poor nijisissies don't understand consensus =/= truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911067
yea its completely possible management (in whatever form that takes) actually told everyone to reach out to her
doesn't make it malicious on its own though, and while I doubt the tone of the messages was super pleasant I don't think its honest to describe that as bullying/harassment. if you do something that is likely to get you fired from a job, messages from coworkers going "wtf is up dude" arent bullying

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909451
>>69909829

>after ruining her career then she deserves to lose her shit
>Both groups are faggots and I hope both of them end up losing their careers

>she's a resentful numberfag
He said in the most resentful, seething screeds spurred by her rightful success. Cry as you might, she will always be getting more views than you and your oshi 5 years from now.

[Anonymous No.]

Arguments are getting stale, when is something new gonna happen??

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911247
>honest to describe that as bullying/harassment
and that is where I disagree.
It's Power Harassment on both the other livers and especially the victim, as the ganging up part makes it way worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907277
>actually she's so strong and tough and just wants to move on guys
I can't remember anyone claiming that. Wanting to move on and not fight isn't 'strong and tough', it's often the soft way out. You seem to be projecting your own ideas of things onto her actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907277
>If I was a massive faggot at work and routinely made shit hard for everyone else, if they get upset with me because of that is it bullying?

yes it could be considered or a colorable argument could be made that it would be workplace bullying if you were a big faggot but your coworkers kept slapping the dicks out of your mouth. even if they all as a group asked you nicely not to suck the dicks it could still create a hostile environment. That's why when you do real work not blue collar or minimum wage with high schoolers when you have a problem with a coworker you tell your manager and your manager deals with it or HR or no one and then you know to shut the fuck up about it or quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911905
That's literally all they have, she's hilariously spotless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910074
>proof
>BPD
>dookiebird

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911115
>But why does he fear a random recording that hard?
Because he, according to himself, cannot remember what he said. He kinda exposed himself though because if he's that afraid of a random recording where he allegedly doesn't remember what he said then what kind of shit does he usually say? He tried very hard to smear Selen but all he managed to do was make himself look suspicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911247
Nah dude, even if you assume they weren't telling her to off herself and other mean things, it is still textbook workplace bullying. The only thing leaks will confirm is one more extra box to tick off for Nijisanji EN to get a perfect score in a "most toxic work environment" tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901916
Pathetic nijisister

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906184
>Fuck Selen
God, I wish. Thanks to Elira and her buddies, I will now never fuck the fat purple dragon. She will never sit on my face, wiggle a little before allowing me to inhale her fat, juicy braps as she laughs at me.
That fucking company needs to burn to the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69910074
>it's pretty simple, where's the proof of bullying?
>the wrong side of history

you're never going to broadcast your evidence for a potential civil case. bullying even in very clear cut examples is typically arbitrated along with most HR related issue

this is not a historical moment and will be forgotten, realistically probably april-may?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69912124
there is literally a 0% chance anyone told her to off herself and it is also absurdly unlikely anyone said anything overtly mean
selen was acting in a way where it was impossible for her to keep her job unless she stopped what she was doing (ignoring management and posting anti-niji shit on social media), and her coworkers messaging her asking whats up can be understood as the company making a good faith effort to correct that problem and continue working with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911247
>yea its completely possible management (in whatever form that takes) actually told everyone to reach out to her
>doesn't make it malicious
it doesn't need to be it would still constitute the legal definition of a hostile work place and would open them up to being held liable - anon please just shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>69912541
Maybe they should release the logs and clear their name then eh? They've seen the document, they should know what the accusation is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69912541
>there is literally a 0% chance anyone told her to off herself
fucking kek, thinking your oshi is pure and not yet another scumbag human being you’d meet at a workplace. touch grass chud

[Anonymous No.]

>>69912781
can you explain to me the standard you are applying that makes "manager tells coworkers to message each other" the legal definition of a hostile workplace? you understand that happens at almost every business every day
is it when they tell multiple people to message one person?
is it when the tone of the messages is acusatory?
is it when the person getting messaged tries to off themselves after?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69912541
>there is literally a 0% chance
i like how you retarded femcels always demand proof for any wrongdoing while saying things like this. your precious homoshi simply cant be a scumbag, just like you cant be racist towards white people eh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
What did she claim? To my knowledge all she's said is that she was bullied. I don't recall a single specific detail coming from her. According to Anycolor, her bullying claims were specifically about the talents yelling at her for uploading the MV without approval and then tweeting for fans to reupload it themselves. You might say, "Sure, but do you believe Anycolor?" And to that I'd say, "As opposed to WHO?" Doki hasn't said jack shit and even in her final statement she admitted it wasn't a black and white situation, the list was meant for her lawyer only and she wrote it when her head was in a bad place. In other words, her bullying claims are probably nothing shocking.

It is specifically the "fans" who have crafted a narrative to fill in all the blank spaces and in each one they've chosen to fill it in with just about the worst things you can imagine, instead of approaching the situation more parsimoniously. However, that behavior didn't come out of nowhere, it came from a building up of negative feelings towards Nijisanji due to the constant graduations/terminations and the unceremonious way management treats them, the cancelled 3D live, the 2% rumor and not letting livers have their play buttons. When Mel got fired, people were devastated because she's such a sweetheart and now they'll never see her at Holofes again or in Hololive collabs; when Selen got fired, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. That should tell you something.

In isolation, this whole incident is not THAT bad, but it was the final straw for many people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913006
Why are you trying to argue about the content of a conversation you have no knowledge of whatsoever?

[Anonymous No.]

its like you fucking retards think bullying is when you call someone nigger and push them into a toilet. Obviously a lot of you have never worked at a job that had any sort of corporate responsibility training or ethics etc. You all keep posting but what if the workplace harassment didn't seem like harassment but instead took the form of kind of a friendly build up of pressure over a duration of time to make her change the way she behaved.

That is harassment you are an employee, any personnel issues are handled by HR and direct managers. If policy violations continue the issue will be escalated as required via a pip or direct supervision these will be documented in writing and provided to both parties to provide scope of actions taken and concise measurable goals to be met to be taken off of the pip. I'm so sick of you dumb niggers that have never had a real job talking you can't even larp being a corporate drone properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913137
I am not the person I am replying to is. They are saying we know 100% that the conversation was the "legal definition of a hostile workplace" and thats retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913006
managers do talk about other employees and their disciplinary status frequently - its still a violation same way speeding is on the highway

tone doesn't matter its when behavior is told to change by a peer with no disciplinary role

not really relevant but i can tell you if i met with an employee and afterwards they tried to kill themselves - i'd probably take some time off and try to reassess my management style maybe talk with my manager on how i can improve. pretty human stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
>it's proven she's thin-skinned and has BPD
Alright cool. Show me the proof then. Should be a simple task then yeah?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913738
she tried to kill herself, twice, over workplace drama at what most people would consider a dream job

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913623
You don't understand Anon, it's not a hostile workplace unless I slide up in Vox's DMs and tell him to tell Selen to kill herself or he'll do it for her. So unless you have EVIDENCE that no one has to prove my completely arbitrary standard of harassment, then ipso facto I win. You can concede the argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
>Fagoon here
Fixed it for yah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
Fuck off Enna

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913828
unironically their argument lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
Hasn't Vox faked vomiting, panic attacks, and self-harm on stream?

[Anonymous No.]

Enna is mean and stupid yes. She would absolutely bully people because that just seems to be how she turned out as a person. She thinks that being rude and inconsiderate is just "being honest". This is coming from someone who used to like her, it can be funny at times but at others just irresponsible and cruel.
Vox and Millie are just plain stupid, Vox oftentimes doesn't grasp deeper meanings or consequences for things. He wouldn't be an active bully, but bullying could be happening around him and he might not notice. I could also see Millie bullying someone not out of malice, but just thinking that everyone is playing around or that it's not too serious, because she's extremely naive. Doesn't make it okay though. These are just my impressions of them as someone who used to watch them sometimes.

They're all just stupid young adults, and stupid young adults are prone to acting like high schoolers. If management wrangled them more we wouldn't be here. But actual management would be too much money shaved off Riku's bank account I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913828
>completely arbitrary standard of harassment
it isn't though. Western case law is full of this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913994
You're the biggest dummy here Anon. I'm able to come into this thread and proudly and boldly declare my STRONGEST support for the weakest evidentiary position possible to force everyone else to prove their claims to ME beyond a shadow of a doubt, further than courts would give a shit about. I don't have to prove anything because I have decided that I get to sit in the default position! I am the judge, you are all the peasants in my courtroom!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69908768
Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
Post membership or GTFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
ex-aloupeep here, yes for Enna.
In the context of bullying a lot of what enna has said changes a lot. From friendly banter of a friend who isn't around to straight up just bullying.
You can see for yourself, she basically started being a mean girl around 1 and 1/2 years ago. Before that they were actually bantering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
Sigh... Enna... if we are roleplaying, then i am Darth Vader

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913828
The absolute state of Niji Bootlickers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909172
What can you expect from a fanbase who supports racism...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914386
You can expect them to double down on the DARVO, just like they are doing in this thread. People who hurt others to get ahead, are not going to out themselves, they will do what the Sisters are doing now - which is projection, gishgalloping, whatboutism and plain victimblaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69906276
It's almost like hiring 18 years old that can't speak english at 1113 yen/hour (legal minimum wage) makes it hard to get competent people.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll admit I do feel bad for elira, enna, millie, vox, and others I think this is a lot of pressure on them and I worry about them on a human level. Like if they bullied selen even if it was really bad (Which I don't think it probably was. I think like the gurrat author that this was probably something that got out of hand and no one actually had malicious intentions towards selen) I think they're suffering now in a similar way and I feel bad for them the way I felt bad for selen when I heard about her.

When their fanbases talk though lmao its like fuck them all if this is what you created it should all just be burned away lmao I still don't want them to hurt themselves or anything permanent but I think it would be funny if they lost everything and the comfy lifestyle they had because they have toxic fans that think its ok to bully someone to death, lie about them, and minimize harm done to them due to alleged mental illness. They deserve to be surrounded by the people they cultivated into this mass of cancer and brain rot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69911905
>>69912007
You retards think I'm already on a side when I'm trying to figure this shit out

There's been dozens of simps kissing her feet in half the threads I see posted saying shit like

>Yea she was bullied but she won cause shes stronger than the bullies
>She's a survivor!!!
>She's tough for dealing with bullying from all sides

sorry I didn't screenshot every single one I didn't think you fags would need a 12 page catalog of every post

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914966
The problem is that you aren't contributing to the conversation, you're just claiming an unfalsifiable position and going "WELL PROVE ME WRONG" like a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904752
Riku here
gonna be honest chief, i kinda fucked up by saving money on managers
Thought letting Elira handle stuff would be good enough, but turns out she was an insuferable cunt (good throat game though)
The black box stream was the straw that broke the camel's back, no ammount of blowjobs will convince me to let that slide, as it forced me to apologize to investors
What does it all mean? I cant fire the shitstains of Niji EN at the moment to avoid adding fuel the the dumpsterfire, but the already long list of graduations has become even longer.
If she tries to pull any funny buisness i'll terminate the hoe and sue her for all she's worth

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914966
cool fanfic sissy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909451
Nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914817
You are now reminded of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914296
I watched Enna quite a bit and I agree.
Something changed around 1 year ago and the bullying became more and more visible even to me as a casual watcher.
Her jab at "top apex predator" from the last Ethyria collab feels so odd to me at the time.
I'm never watching this bitch ever again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914966
>Simps kissing her feet
Yeah me

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914966
Selen seems to be a workaholic that ties her self worth to her ability to stream. The hiatus probably weighed heavily on her. I don't think she's particularly strong or feeble minded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69915144
Hello everyone, it really pains me to say this but this might be my very last post. /vt/ members have asked for me to kill myself and some wish for me to leave the board as I bring nothing good to the thread. Everything happened so fast. If I stay, I'll be resented by the majority of the people in the thread despite how much I care for my anons and I want to stay for my sisters. Thank you everyone for your (You)s and replies. Your messages here have really helped me a lot. I know I shouldn't say any of this to you and keep it private but its been very lonely and my mental health hasn't been the best

>believing this is sincere and not just posted knowing someone would """leak""" it for tragic sympathy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880
no. Selen is a fragile fucking snowflake that let mild banter drive her schizo chimp brain mad. She'll find another reason to be a 'victim' and finish the job eventually

[Anonymous No.]

Do I count as part of NDF if I only support Nijisanji JP but loathe and hate with all my might NIjisanji EN?

[Anonymous No.]

Someone make bingo cards and lets play!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904128
God that's so hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913794
>over workplace drama at what most people would consider a dream job
lol
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>69912541
Proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901880

[Anonymous No.]

>>69901916
Oh no holobros, they're copying our material but in a way less potent way..

[Anonymous No.]

>>69914966
I mean surviving a nijisanji termination without getting killed is indeed an achievement, look at what had happened to zaion

[Anonymous No.]

>>69915144

I never forgot but you have to move on for your own sake even when people wrong you they might never receive justice but you can work for your own happiness and the happiness of people that you care about and who care about you. No love is wasted if it was earnestly felt it nurtures the giver and the receiver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69915336
Damn almost hoped it was real

[Anonymous No.]

>>69913623
so the legal standard is non-managers talking with people about disciplinary stuff?
still doesn't seem like it is the case here. this seems more like a boss asking employees to coach someone who is underperforming so that they are able to fulfill their job duties
it seems really unlikely that anyone who didn't have "authority" to talk about it was directed by management to talk about discipline with selen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69915336
>>69915336
With that logic there is no reason to trust Elira's crocodile tears and what the rest of the stooges said in the black stream either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69904903
>le retard de Vox Akuma

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916031
you wont believe my totally not racist/bully oshi????? must be a holofag

[Anonymous No.]

>>69915885
And that is they gray area where you won't get any further without any Discord and Slack logs.
It can be this or an organized harassment campaign.

>unlikely that anyone who didn't have "authority" to talk about it was directed by management to talk about discipline
That used to be true before all of this. But if livers turn out to be part of the management or related roles, this is very possible.
And currently livers=management is the explanation that ties together most of the weird things that happened last year neatly.

[Anonymous No.]

Selen is full of shit (anybody who watched her long enough knows that it is just the way she is) and I do not understand why Vox gets shit on for simply pointing out how hard she was to work with and how she did not follow proper procedures. How is that bullying? That is just me saying that a co-worker is making shit harder than it needed to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69907964
>Niji could publish their own screens of these to deboonk her.
Learn what you are talking about. Now they could not do that without getting into legal trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69902147
If the bullying is false, then why Niji or the three stooges don't come up and claim that everything was false and she manipulated everyone ?

Oh yeah, they can't because it's all true, you absolute fucking retarded piece of shit

Fuck off and go back to your unbearable whining on Twitter Mae

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916524
>In my opinion it was not a form of harassment

Ok vox

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916524
fuck off to the doxxsite with your fanfics

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone find the name Dookiebird kinda cute?
I know its ndf speech but i cant help but seeing it as endearing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916465
No, But again for me this isn't about Selen at all but how the corpo behaved.
I'm acutally fine with mutually assured destruction or even a major rift between JP vtuber fandom and western EN vtuber fandom.
It's of utmost importance that shitty JP black company methods do not take root any further in the EN space.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916031
Yes, thats the point

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916913
It's like a child trying to be mean. Just 'awww, you're retarded'

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916913
That's why they switched to dookiebitch kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916756
>>69916758
>mimimi I am being bullied and harassed because my co-workers tell me that I should stop making public statements that hurts their company
god the Vtuber community is more retarded than I ever could have imagined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69916524
>nooo you can't believe selen because that's just how she is! she's full of shit!
>cites vox
>the head of the favoritism wave
>menhera prime particularly when it comes to numbers
>who literally begged people to take what he was saying at face value
>in my opinion it was not a form of harassment
>everything vox said is true!
Can you sisters at least send someone semi-competent at making a coherent argument? You've really not been sending your best.

[Anonymous No.]

Selen has never claimed anything. All infomation about bullying from livers has been leaked by Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917095
correct, holofags were actually correct in being against male vtubers. attracting femcels was the biggest mistake that will eventually bring ruin to this hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917110
see >>69917095

Dramabird better never work with humans beings ever again because if that is what she considers "bullying" then she will always be bullied by every co-worker she ever works with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917095
>my co-workers tell me that I should stop making public statements that hurts their company
Picrel

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917268
>no counterargument to any of the vox things
I accept your concession, sister. Vox is as trustworthy as the turds I shit out on a daily basis. Now put on the fucking clown nose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917322
picture is actually not related. it does not even make sense in the context of what is being talked about

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917268
sis I might have some bad news for you, but every single creator she's worked with has talked about how nice and good she was to deal with

[Anonymous No.]

The reputational damage that the sisters do to their corpo-oshi is almost as big as the damage done by their talents, or the company itself!
Truly a match made in heaven.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917407
>Vox says Selen went public
>Selen did in fact went public
>"MUST BE A LIE!"
I do not fucking care who says it. Nobody could have said anything and it would be obvious on its own what was going on. All you need is to look at how Selen behaves and did behave ever since she was at Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>69909732
>>69909679
You literally have to not watch NijiEN at all to even begin to believe any of this "Elira is management" shit. Practically all the members talk about their personal relationships with their managers, their meetings with their managers, relate funny stories of stuff that happened between them and their managers and so on. Even fucking Selen would talk about meetings with her manager, how she was going round in Japan with her manager, how her manager changed and so on. People talk about meeting their managers for the first time in person when they travel to Japan and shit. Pomu talked about how great her manager was for going out of their way to buy her tickets for an MGS concert in Japan even though they were off work on holiday. They all have managers that are not Elira and are in contact with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917532
>people who get paid say nice things about their customer
shocker!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917532
>These people said nice things so she must be 100% good and nice
>people actually believe this

>company says she did bad so she must have done bad
>people believe this

The amount of you that just shovel any corn littered shit down your throat when presented in front of you is concerning

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917490
I just need to check something real quick
What is 2+2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917681
yeah, maybe if niji paid them they could have had nice things to say about them too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917738
2 + 2 is 【Notice: Termination of Selen Tatsuki’s Contract with ANYCOLOR】
We hereby announce that we have had to make the difficult decision to terminate our contract with the NIJISANJI EN Liver ‘Selen Tatsuki’ effective immediately, due to repeated breaches of contract and misleading statements on social platforms.

Thank you for your understanding and continuous support of NIJISANJI and NIJISANJI EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69917608
>Vox says Selen went public
>Nijisani went public and shot themselves in the foot
>this is somehow Doki's fault
Sister, just stop posting. You're embarrassing yourself. Also, every single artist and creator that has worked with Selen has said that she's amazing to work with. Kind, attentive, listens, communicates well. They have NOTHING negative to say about her. Like I said, Vox's words means as much as the turds I shit out on a daily basis. Come here, I'll put on the fucking clown nose for you. Curious how ONLY the ones in Niji have bad things to say about her, especially the ones who have been shown immense favoritism. You can stop now.

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>>69917624
>They all have managers that are not Elira and are in contact with them.

because Elira isnt managing literally every fucking talent by herself you dumbfuck. shes the shadowliason, not a tardwrangler, though shes definitely in need of being tardwrangled as well.

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>>69917821
>“On February 5, 2024, ANYCOLOR made the decision to terminate our affiliation contract with the NIJISANJI EN Liver, Selen Tatsuki. The impact of this decision on our financial results will be negligible.”
Correct, but this would have given you bonus points

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>>69918012
Also bonus points

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>>69917681
they did not in fact say nice things about their customer, since they were shitting on nijisanji that they could not deliver proper paperwork and paymets on behalf of selen.
>but they were commissioned by selen!
no, nijisanji is responsible for doing all the legwork.

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i will never understand how the NDF is as braindead as they are
they are actively making it worse for niji and actively turning normalfags away further from their livers on every other platform as well

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>>69918238
They are doing exactly what their oshis do!

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>>69918238
I hate NDF and fagoons equally with how incessantly annoying both groups are

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>>69918238
Like oshi like fanbase.

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>>69917864
Like I said you literally have to not watch NijiEN to believe this shit. The members talk about their personal relationships with their own managers and how their meetings go with their own managers on a regular basis. There is no go between. You would have to not be watching NijiEN at all to even begin to buy into this idea.

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>>69918326
i highly doubt that fagoons make up any significant amount of posts on the issue. i never even watched selen but i still want to see nijisanji burn to the ground.

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>>69918238
This is also my take, did anyone see the comments from the bigger streamers commenting on this? or read the replies from their viewers? They are souring the mood towards the company as a whole for normies. People know little about Nijisanji, and this is not a great introduction.

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>>69918468
Ah yes the meetings with their manager... that can't even speak English lol

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>>69918549
in regards to other streamers as well, i remember rpr commentating in a stream before that people tend to avoid doing collabs with niji because the fans act like a bunch of rabid retards

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>>69918549
i would dare to say that the internet didnt really experience actual femcels until they concentrated around male vtubers.

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>>69915885
>seems more like a boss asking employees to coach someone
>seems really unlikely that anyone who didn't have "authority" to talk was directed by management

just want to point out that line 3 contradicts line 2 in a 3 line statement. just because you change between synonyms doesn't mean the context of the word is lost. harassment is tricky due to perceptions that's why any intelligent company if they hear work place bullying and you have examples its going to go through arbitration most likely settled with NDA. Unless those employees received training or have some sort of certification to provide guidance to her they are just normal employees and should not be involved , involving them opens you up to liability that's been this whole issue.

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>>69908900
I saw some document claiming Elira had 21 sponsored streams or someshit. Don't think the guy who counted even bothered looking at what they were. Because a good load of Elira's "sponsored streams" are this kind of thing. Elira taking part in JP mahjong tournaments anyone who is interested in can enter that like 50 people join where they have to mark as paid promotion because the company is sponsoring Niji to host the tournament. When you take that shit out Finana even has more sponsors than Elira. It's so fucking dumb its unbelievable.

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>>69918668
Where did you get that impression from? It's literally always been listed in the job requirements for the talent managers positions that you have to speak english to apply. You have to think that 30+ members even Selen herself were all making up imaginary relationships with their managers and lying to their audiences about it to buy into this shit.

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>>69917608
>please believe what vox says!!!!!! he's more believable than selen who was hard to work with according to vox-sama!!!!!!
>Vox says Selen went public
>immediately a lie from le retard de vox akuma since niji were the ones who went public; not selen
>this on top of him asking people to take what he said at face value
sisters are so fucking retarded it's genuinely unfathomable holy shit. the other anon is right vox's words don't mean fucking shit.

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>>69914561
I keep seeing that minimum wage argument. Those are entry level jobs for students. You dont join a japanese corpo sideways. They have a yearly hiring season, you start at a company and work your way up your whole life.
Its tradition in almost every japanese corporation.

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>>69918981
>good load
There are literally 3.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCIeSUTOTkF9Hs7q3SGcO-Ow/videos?videoAdType=1

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>>69919372 (me)
Correction, 4.

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>>69918981
>post sponsored streams
>confirm that they are sponsored streams
>argue that they are not sponsored and shouldnt count
????????

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>>69919158
The quadlingual less than minimum wage part time high schooler job req? Yeah, I'm sure everyone they hired matched the job description perfectly and could fully perform the duties.

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>>69919158
Sayu talked in her interview with False that once the EN members had a call with management, but they could only speak Japanese so to communicate the members had to tell the JP jouzu livers what they wanted to say and have them translate it to the managers. I doubt a 1on1 meeting was even possible if you know jackass japanese

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>>69918732
its not semantics they are two different things.
the managers could have told other livers to message selen, but in a context where it is not overstepping their authority or whatever
a boss going "coworker is having issues, can you message them and see whats up/get them to do their job" is totally different from "I know you arent a manager but can you go backchannel tell this coworker they are gonna get fired if they don't do something, also try to make her feel bad about it we are trying to apply social pressure here"

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>>69919545
You really have never watched any NijiEN stream.
https://youtu.be/5ACoVoYjY2k?t=300
Wow here are the members none of which speak or read Japanese fluently interacting with people they are supposed to be in a meeting with on stream in real time.

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>>69919289
>immediately a lie from le retard de vox akuma since niji were the ones who went public; not selen
god you people have shit reading comprehension. I was referring to Selen complaining publicly about stuff which all the other members just handle with their managers in private.

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>>69919474
and that already puts her in line with Finana, one of the least popular members of the girls all around

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>>69902147
You’re aware that corroborated claims count as evidence, right?

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Guys we are to believe they have managers now. Somehow they must be more retarded than Elira, Vox and Mike for approving that smear video.

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>>69919741
Do they handle it in private? I dont even watch them and just from the concert drama ive seen plenty of them complain, ive seen pomu cry about her dream being outright refused by a manager. Sure Selen was more vocal, but ive seen a ton of them bitching.

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>>69919741
>covid

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>>69919741
>vaguely type "Vox says Selen went public"
>no further emphasis on anything
>god you have shit reading comprehension for not noticing i was referring to this thing i never even mentioned so i can turn it into whatever is convenient for my narrative!
nice try, sister. also they clearly don't handle things with managers in private due to several accounts from other livers who've also gone public with their complaints. so it's clearly not just isolated to selen.
i guess only the ones who are part of the favoritism crew gets that treatment, which further emboldens everyone's arguments about the shitshow going on in nijien.

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>>69919527
It's called magic logic, don't question it.

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So what was the big 23rd happening? Or is it coming in two more weeks?

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>>69919741
>nijisanji shot themselves in the foot
>nijien livers shot themselves in the foot
>sisters are now shooting themselves in the foot
T-they are?

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>>69920330
>>69919527
joining a tournament literally anyone who wants to join can join and having to mark it as sponsored because the company is getting paid to host an event isn't the same thing as getting selected by a sponsor to shill their game as an individual, those tournaments are full of people that get like 300 viewers from JP and shit

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so why are people believing Selen again? just cause of pity? is this the thing where people automatically believe rape accusations cause "what if!?"

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>>69920627
>so why are people believing Selen again?
Because Nijisanji and the NijiEN livers self-reported. They exposed themselves completely on their own.

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>>69920627
I think people are believing Selen because the way Niji handled the situation was such a shitshow siding with it would be embarrassing

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>>69920323
>talk about how Selen does not follow standard procedure
>HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT WERE REFERRING TO!?!?!?
can you please tell me how closely your parents are blood related?

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>>69920627
Mainly because Nijisanji keeps self-reporting. I'll generally believe people if they tell me that they're pieces of shit. There's no need to have even heard anything Selen has claimed at this point in time to believe that Nijisanji is a massive fuckup of a company with severe internal problems.

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>>69920778
no they did not. they presented their side of the story.
>b-b-but stream timing
so what? what if they wanted to fuck with her a little out of spite? that does not prove that what they say is false and that Selens version is true.

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>>69920627
Because Niji ratted themselves out live on stream, dumbass.

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>>69920794
NTA but what exactly do you know about their standard procedure?

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>>69920886
They did self-report. They admitted to the harassment completely on their own in the termination notice, and Elira implicated herself, Enna and Millie in the documents.
And yes, they deliberately chose to overlap Doki's neopets stream. Anyone who argues that was not targeted is a sister and NDFtard.

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>>69901880
>weigh in?
I see what you did there

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>>69920627
why should i believe nijisanji mouthpieces when they jeopardized any kind of trust and goodwill they built up? you idiots seem to not understand that trust is something that you gotta earn and the corporate niji lost all of it prior to selens termination.

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>>69902242
f(fifth)pbp
Enna is a psycho bitch that was only further enabled by Kyo. I don't know enough about Vox to say, he mostly seemed to keep him bantering within reason while on stream or in collabs like nijicanceled but Enna would probably try to get Selen back into niji just to push her to suicide again if she had the chance

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>>69920870
>>69920935
Is this some kind of mass delusion or something? Nobody "self-reported" they talked about what they had been accused of and categorically denied the accusations. You have to conveniently ignore the denial part to come to this idea.

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>>69920886
>so what? what if they wanted to fuck with her a little out of spite?
Ah, I see sisters are now pulling this card, huh? You really have nothing left at this point.

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>>69921099
>>69920886
Ah, so you weren't asking honestly, you're just retarded.

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>>69920462
It will come when they "resume" AR Live since it's only been "postponed" for now.

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>>69921099
"No, I don't beat my wife, I just slap her around a little every night"
"What do you mean!? I categorically denied beating my wife!"

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>>69920627
Get Lawtuber to side with niji, then we'll be on the same playing field.

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>>69921219
Except nobody said they just slap her around a bit every night lol. This is really dumb shit anon. Someone saying they were accused of something is not an admission of guilt.

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>>69921303
Of course denying something isn't an admission of guilt. Admitting that they did is an admission of guilt. That's what Vox did. Because he's pretty dumb.

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>>69919933
You know what Finana and Elira have in common, they both love throwing money hand over fist at shitty gacha games even without being sponsored. Shitty gacha games which just so happen to be the most common sponsor types for NijiEN members. You know what Selen hated and shit on many times on stream gacha. Almost like people want to sponsor people who are going to like their game and create a positive impression of it or something.

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>>69920627
You seem confused. The argument is
>Nijisanji is a shit company
The evidence is
>Nijisanji keeps exposing themselves that they are a shit company

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>>69915501
what? that's true. standard everyday workplace banter and favoritism, the same stuff that exists at every job on earth. big fucking woop, nobody else kills themselves over it

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>>69923497
any job thats revolving around interacting with people, which includes streaming, is a literal nightmare job.

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>>69923497
>banter
That's how bullies and harassers always try to downplay it.

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>>69901880
>NDF is still trying
LMAO talk about desperation

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>>69912124
This image looks like Nijisanji playbook since last year, sisters where are you?

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>>69914966
The retarded self destructive action of kurosanji already show everything you need to know, even if Selen was the 500IQ 4d master schemer that planted every single trap that destroyed kurosanji reputation, it doesn't change the fact that kurosanji was malicious, petty and vindictive enough to attack a mentally ill woman after two sudokus attempt, when they could just played it by the book and keep it simple from the start.
THERE IS NO COMING BACK FROM THAT.