/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji ENs can no longer join tournaments because Doki will probably be there
>Niji ENs can no longer join really big indie collabs because Doki will probably be there
>All the NijiENs who collabed with Holos are gone so barely any Holos want to collab with them if any
>>This is also implying Holo hasn't blacklisted certain ones if not all of them
>>Other corpos never had any interest collabing or doing things with them anyways

I don't think they realize how much they've cut themselves off from everyone else

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>>69711856
All of these make no sense when the real issue is pretty simple
>no western corpo will want to collab with nijiEN
>no western indie will want to collab with nijiEN
Every inch of growth they could have had in foreign waters is now completely and utterly gone. The only thing they can do now is hope new viewers find out about EN in a couple months and don't learn about what happened.

AKA exactly what JP is doing. And JP having emptied that mine of viewership as much as is reasonably possible is explicitly the reason why VTA/EN even exist. Or existed.

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>>69711856
They really are a walled garden huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712130
>garden
Sand pit at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
lol lmao even

[Anonymous No.]

>No one can do a NijiEN tournament because Selen did those.

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji ENs can no longer laugh because that was Selen's thing
grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712081
At this point, just shut down NijiEN and start over and make a new branch with a name that has no link at all with Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
>>All the NijiENs who collabed with Holos are gone so barely any Holos want to collab with them if any
>>This is also implying Holo hasn't blacklisted certain ones if not all of them
you do realize hololive and nijisanji have a "security" team and still work together on legal matters right tranny?

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>>69712130
In a walled garden the purpose is to keep people out. This one is closer to a quarantine ward where everyone outside wants to keep them inside and isolated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
People will call this bullshit but remember it took management over 2 years to allow Pomu to do a collab with Kiara, even though cover was fine with it. The entire all out war mentality was because that's how NijiEN management ran the idea that they were competitors and not fellow vtubers. The only reason they allowed all those indie/vshojo collabs early on was because they viewed indies as too small to take viewers and Vshojo is exclusively twitch.

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>>69713665
What does that have to do with talents interacting gigagenius?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
>All the NijiENs who collabed with Holos are gone
Not really, Reimu is still there who for some reason is a frequent collab partner of Nerissanji. Maybe they were buddies in their utaite days?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713993
hololive will never blacklist nijisanji, and is probably learning on how to apply harder NDA restrictions on the holos to avoid drama like this.

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>>69713665
and I'm sure they'll work well together, in Japan.
There were at *most* three people in HoloEN who wanted to collab with nijiEN members and now one of them has literally no reason to care about niji and another probably hates nijiENs guts now and has told everyone else in her branch as much.

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>>69714054
>"Nerissanji"
>Retarded post
Checks out

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714054
Just because two vtubers like each other doesn't mean they were friends in the past retard
You dumbfucks said the same thing about Kiara and Pomu

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714240
EN =/ JP nigger

[Anonymous No.]

Ehh for right now maybe. Once doki is back to getting 4-5k ccv she won’t get as much opportunities because twitch streamer community only cares about clout

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>>69713561
Fucked up as it is, that may be Anycolor's only hope of growth outside of the company. EN as it stands is a mostly failed experiment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715029
So true NijESL just 2 more week

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714240
Holo managements is now aware that nijiEN clearly have management problems and shit at handling legal matters. If anything, getting a collab with holoEN is now way way harder than before

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715029
You all keep saying this but she's been around 16k-20k for the past week and it's not going down

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715428
That prediction may be right to some extent, but that'll probably be months down the road, like 8 or 10 months or so. And even then she'd not only still have more viewers than NijiEN, she'd still be better off because she isn't competing for resources, viewers, or money with other NijiEN talents.

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>>69715029
If you really want to make the numbers argument, which NijiEN member is going to surpass her. If she does end up at 4-5k in two weeks, which NijiEN member would bring more clout to a possible collab partner. There's an easier angle here. There's obviously people in NijiEN's corner given 39iq's retarded statements, so the angle here should be that once the drama dies down, those people will begin collabing with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715574
She can easily nab viewers from niji by streaming newly released game. cuz no more perms needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715574
nor having to pay a corpo cut

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715376
Correct, Niji better correct this shit. Nothing worse than being non-Grata in a small pond.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714054
Nerissanji and her twitch indie brainrot

[Anonymous No.]

They were probably deluded enough to assume that most people in the business would side with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712130
>walled garden
more like a landfill

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713464
niji only tourneys should be fine, you have people like doppio who's interested in hosting and actually willing to put in the hard work..

as for external collabs, i dont see anyone in niji 3n who has the passion or connections to host tourneys at the same scale selen used to do

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>>69712130
hololive is a walled garden paradise
nijisanji en is a goddam public toilet stall with overflowing shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69716115
That just makes their recent wake up call all the more tragically hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714240
if indies are having doubts about collabing with nijis, do you really think a holo would go out of their way to collab with one even if not blacklisted?

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>>69713665
>you do realize hololive and nijisanji have a "security" team and still work together on legal matters right tranny?
they dont, retard, you have no idea how corporations and corporate public statements works

[Anonymous No.]

>>69716377
the reason doppio can hold a tournament is because selen advice tho

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>>69712130
its funny because people used to say that about hololive and its now happening to nijisanji. but for them its because nobody wants to touch radioactive shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69716899
yes, exactly. and doppio acknowledged that. maybe someone in the newer gens would also be interested in hosting external tourneys, but ig we shouldnt expect that until the heat dies down

captcha: JP3N

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714703
>drama is in en
>HURR DURR HOW ARE THEY GONNA LERN ABUT HOW TO AVOID DRAMA IN DA ENGLISH BRANCH U RETORD
that's you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.]

>All the NijiENs who collabed with Holos are gone so barely any Holos want to collab with them if any
good

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>>69715029
As someone who's been following a certain Eastern European war through memes and shitposts, it's hilarious how much Nijisister rhetoric resembles Vatnik cope.
>Just one more week, komrade, then Doki's viewership will fall!
>As a gesture of goodwill, we will stop harassing Doki on Twitter
>Stop resisting, our victory is inevitable. Also stop bullying us, why are you so mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69718206
Anon, just from the look of their first rentry, you would know they're a lost cause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713561
>just shut down NijiEN
That's what I'd do at least. It'd be a sudden large loss in revenue, and when/if they started a new EN branch they'd have to hire new talent, commission artists ect. all over again which would cost money. But I'd take that gamble in the long run, because right now NijiEN along with every talent they current employ is going to be stuck with a target on their back and a black eye.

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>>69719403
Yeah, I've concluded this is what they would have to do. At a minimum they need a complete rebranding and name change and probably a shutdown for a few months since the high school children running the branch simply can't control themselves.

They would have to hire new professional management though and really hit a home run in terms of streamer and content quality, with generous compensation to make their streamers take the reputational and financial risk of working for Anycolor. Anything less and the refurbished branch will end up like its predecessor.

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>>69715428
Her numbers are unheard of for non-Holo vtubers on Youtube, especially for an indie vtuber. She had over 20k viewers earlier today playing a third person shooter with randos; when was the last time any non-Holo had that kind of viewer count for a regular-ass gaming stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69717284
>>69716899
I hope he doesn't become the next bullying target for being ambitious, he seems like one of the good ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>69721199
>Over 20k
At least check before posting
It's not that hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712130
>garden

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>>69711856
Sheesh

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>>69718785
I know they're a lost cause; I just didn't expect them to resemble another group of terminally-online ideologues from a completely different demographic. The likely explanation is "Horseshoe theory lol", but my inner rrat is that there's some crossover between the two groups.

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>>69715428
Nah, it's def declining at least. It was around 30k for the first week or so, then 25k, now 16-20k. It's going down, but not quickly, and who knows whether it'll settle down lower or she'll find a new audience to leap back up. Either way, she's def not going back to 2-3view any time soon.

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>>69711856
>>69712081
>>69712130
Was it arrogance or stupidity that made Elira think she could do that character assassination stream against Doki after it was clear the greater community would rally to her and not NijiEN?

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>>69725383
like all booms she's going to stabilize in a week or two as a 4 view once the collabs and drama finally die down but she's definitely not going to stay as a 5 view. She doesn't have the wide normie appeal filian, ironmouse in her prime, or gura have to sustain that

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>>69725765
Hard to know. She may have been forced by higher management, seeing as she is part of management herself (I think?) she may have thought her channel made the most sense, or frankly she may just be delusional and think she was an untouchable goddess. A lot of Vtubers get hyped up by their communities to an unhealthy degree, but I suppose that's any celebrity or e-celebrity in general.

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>>69725765
Both.

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>>69725765
She got too used to public humiliation going her way

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>>69726231
I'd actually give it a couple months instead of a couple weeks. As long as Niji keeps making negative news they are going to stay relevant in people's minds and be drawn towards Doki. But if they stop being retarded for 5 minutes, over time people will probably slowly start trickling back to their favorite Niji vtubers, or to other people entirely. Doki was probably stay popular in general, but it would be shocking it was to this current degree. People are fickle. They like to feel like they're doing something good and righteous, but once it's no longer a positive social indicator, many will move on. We see it with stuff like Blizzard all the time. Massive boycotts, but the minute they release a new game or a new expansion, everyone runs back.

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>>69716115
>Comes out that your don't pay the people you work with
>Comes out you fuck up basic contracts and misuse them
If they thought people in the business would side with them after seeing that, then they're truly fucking retarded

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>>69712130
Ironically, the rose wall is leaving

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>>69721469
he was the only lolisex who didnt join in the zaion smear campaign, which I think is the reason why finana was suddenly out there saying zaion gaslit her. he was also among the very few people who showed public concern over selen's hospital twt, which tells me that while he has friendly relations with everyone incl the clique, he's not IN the know

he did rt the elira black video, but i want to believe he didnt even know what it was gonna be until it dropped.

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>>69729067
I love the idea that doppio refused to be the last slanderer so they had to get Finana to do it instead.

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>>69729619
i think it's a couple of things: him saying anything would break his kayfabe (that he's somehow managed to keep up until today); and out of all lolisex members, zaion got along best with him.

and then ofc finana's... just really easy to instigate into doing things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
>All the NijiENs who collabed with Holos are gone so barely any Holos want to collab with them if any
Only collabs of HoloEN and NijiEN I can see happening now are Kiara and Rosemi (still a longshot, if it happens at all it'd be a surprise) & Nerissa and Reimu (only because they were friends in the past, but I'm also predicting that Nerissa will eventually have a 2021/2022 Mori style yab that'll eventually cause her to start avoiding most outside collabs) No evidence, proof, or otherwise breadcrumb trail for this. I just have a hunch.

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>>69713665
they were working together on legal shit while Niji was still blacklisting HoloEN, retard. why exactly would their legal collaboration make it impossible for one to do it now?

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>>69715428
>>69725383
my guess she gonna end being the new gura in terms of ccv (solid 5views)

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Did any of them really join outside company tourneys or events? i feel like they all just sit there being boring for 500 people.

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>>69719403
Merge the ENs with decent numbers into JP but have them continue as is until they graduate and the zombie EN branch dies and relaunch with no Nijisanji branding

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>>69711856
Niji drew battle lines, forcing people to pick between them and Doki.

Basically everyone important is picking Doki. The first time there's a Hololive collab with Doki, we'll know it's good and truly over for Niji. They have lost all clout. Mumei is probably already working on it.

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>>69712081
I remember when Nijisisters were running around other corpos with the threat that Niji would blacklist your chuuba if she said anything against the black company.

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>>69711856
Holo barely collabed so I don't think this would hit them hard. But what does hit them hard, is artists blacklisting them. Their history of fucking up NDAs and late payments makes them really unattractive.

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>>69725383
Another thing that shouldn't be forgotten is that even if she goes all the way back to selen numbers she is still doing twice as well as she used to since she is no longer paying for somebody else's boat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
dont forget holo tended to wall garden normally so them cutting nijien off has happened historically when nijien wasnt absolute trash, so who can really say where holo lands until they collab again outside of tourney

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Selen was the only one joining outside tournaments so it doesn't really matter.
Let them play with the Niji family until they all graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713561
VirtuaRealEN?

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>>69718206
Strange, that sounds the same as all the pro-Ukraine cope I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Yeah it's kind of crazy how much trouble EN is in.

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>>69715029
4-5k ccv is better than 99 percent of nijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715574
Also she'll be able to play better more popular games and do bigger events. I think people underestimate how powerful she can get now that she's not kneecapped by Elira

[Anonymous No.]

>>69740397
their JP livers did a lot of apex stuff before selen even debuted.
Although their main apex gremlin left the company on that side too anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713545
>can't even kill themselves cause that will forever be Selen's thing

fate worse than death

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
NijiEN : Containment Zone

[Anonymous No.]

>>69725765
It was built up confidence from years of getting away with doing it to a whole host of other livers. She confidently walked on a landmine with selen just cause all the other landmines before were duds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713917
I'm recalling that one indie who said one of the interview questions was how do you plan to surpass gura lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69727630
WALL MARIA HAS FALLEN

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>>69725765
The timing is the key here. She thought she could get Doki to go Menhera on stream by publishing it at the same time and going full mask off. And had she succeeded the NDF's "Doki is BPD Menhera, sisters are innocent" excuse might have had more weight. But thankfully Doki already has a good lawyer and knows to listen to her council, so she ended the streamed and did the right thing. Which made the blackscreen backfire spectacularly. She probably thought she could bully Doki because the last contact they had was when Doki was in the dark space, so she thought Doki would react the same way she would've when she was on the edge of self deletion. But its been a month and Doki has gotten the help she needed, that is where Elira miscalculated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69741940
They wouldn't manage to get Perms for it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Axel has already made his sode pretty clear, in Japanese no less. If he was able to say that he's choosing doki publicly with no repression internally I assume mumei her bff and others will do the same soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69742379
b-but I'm her friend, only I can be her friend thoroughly

[Anonymous No.]

Has Elira screwed herself out of ever collabing with anyone ever again save vox, Millie, and Enna?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69721579
Underrated

[Anonymous No.]

>>69721579
It was Enna that pissed in the ball pit all along

[Anonymous No.]

>>69743564
Anybody with a brain, yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>69743564
Elira streaming ever again is honestly a 50/50 shot as far as I’m concerned, let alone collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714054
>Nerissanji
trying so very hard

[Anonymous No.]

When will the public drama cordon around Doki end. Let Not!Pomu safely interact with her on Twitter already dammit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69713561
My dream scenario
>they decide to dissolve the branch into JP and combine into a total Niji group with greater commitment to fixing shit properly
>to recoup costs, they give every liver the option to either stay with them in the merger or buy their IP and models at dirt cheap prices so they can leave and continue elsewhere

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>>69714240
what kind of nijicope is this? b-but hololive's NDA!! Are you retarded? Hololive is avoiding drama like this because it's not a shitty black company, simple as that
Also you have no idea how NDA works

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>>69712130
>garden
More like prison

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
It's so over for NijiEN. Doki will monopolize every single corner of EN indie vtubing, and I will be there to witness it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69742379
link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69742379
A mumei, doki and ame overwatch collab would melt people's minda

[Anonymous No.]

>>69742254
You know, if I didn't know women I would say you were schizo. But I've seen a bitch go out of her way multiple times to try and fuck someones life up for just being prettier than her, so I 100% believe this rrat.
There's too much that makes sense here. No reason to make it the same time as her stream, no reason to make it a smear campaign, no reason to make it.
And, talking about the bitch I knew from before, they never realize when it backfires or is going to backfire. Because they usually have some guy ready for them if it all fails. Elira may not hit the ground hard, but she will get knocked down a few pegs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69743564
She committed career suicide with that black screen stream. What's left for her is the slow march to the end of her contract which probably won't be renewed. Niji won't outright terminate her because of the optics. But she'll have the schedule of Gura without any of the hope. If le retard and the forgettable one that was on stream with her want to salvage their careers they're going to kick her to the curb. I mean this with utmost sincerity, she should be put on sudoku watch.

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>>69740519
it'll never happen but I want them to give the job of renaming to the person who comes up with the names for their chuubas. The guy who came up with gems like Vagina Bandage, Low IQ Wilson amongst others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745279
Ike is already streaming as normal with little impact because people already forgot or didn't even know he was there

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
>only link between HoloEN and NijiEN is Nerissa and Reimu
holy grim

[Anonymous No.]

>>69725765
A bit of both.

Yugo got terminated and booted for VERY questionable reasons. Low views? Not enough streams? Like that was ever a reason for any other liver. Coincidentally, Yugo is Japanese, and can speak Japanese.

Zaion got practically executed on the spot. Reasons? A fucking deez nutz joke? The same joke that almost every other EN liver made? Mentioning shotacon? In Nijisanji of all fucking places? "Disrespecting management"? And most importantly, bypassing EN management straight to go talk with JP management? Very curious. Zaion is also Japanese and can speak it.

Very curious how the only livers that were a bit independent and could bypass EN management by knowing Japanese got booted at first opportunity.

At that point whoever the ringleader of the clique (totally not Elira, picrel) probably felt invincible, so booting and shitting on Selen for funzies was a no-brainer. But the turned got tables.

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>>69711856
I can see Nijisanji flourishing in this environment honestly. Hololive got big after the coco drama because everyone in the industry blacklisted them. Holomen had innovate to survive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
They can still collab with vdere

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really get why it took their termination with Selen this cascading clusterfuck to happen. They did the same with Gundou. Even Lulu wasn't really pleased with the company and left immediately after she found the reason to. I'm still surprised the dramaniggers didn't talk about the Roa incident yet. Like hello, maybe use this opportunity to talk about the Roa bullying incident or the reason why Luna switched from Hololive to Nijisanji. Strike it when it's still hot

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>>69746508
*Luna switched from Nijisanji to Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745867
Who's Ike?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69746508
Anon, those are Japanese livers. Japs have a slightly different worldview when it comes to corpos. A more bootlicking view. But even the JP side was branded black. The western audiences are a bit less bootlicky, so these quittings and terminations got viewed with a much more skeptical and pro-worker eye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69746582
the sippy cup guy from the black stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>69746582
Kyle's adopted brother from Canada

[Anonymous No.]

>>69746508
>Like hello
Sister, we slipped up...
Let's do better next post, ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69741925
Left Niji to go immediately back to streaming as an indie. Something something pattern recognition.

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>>69745177
It was his japanese zatsudan just after his 3d debut and eng zatsudan. It was public at first but he turned it into a membership stream because the JP people got mad he was interfering with nijien's issue. After that he tweeted tsb forever on his twitter acct

[Anonymous No.]

>>69748451
okay so what did he actually say tho?

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>>69748666
"Today was such a stressful day. A lot happened... I've only understood today that this is reality. I can't say anything specific, but I've lost an important friend. I've already lost two precious genmates, and now I lost a friend as well. I just feel so bad for them. Sometimes it feels like everyone involved with me in some way ends up meeting an unfortunate fate. That's why I felt a little down today and decided to just drink. To see the people who took care of me so much go through something like this... It's painful. I just want everyone to be happy. It's not like it's my fault or anything, and there's nothing I can do, but it still hurts. If this makes people angry, then that's fine. But something like this happened in the past too, and it made me remember some unpleasant memories. I'm usually a positive guy, but to be honest, that gave me a little mental breakdown. That's why I ended up drinking today. (...) I was asked what I'm thinking by a lot of people. I'll say this - I just feel bad for them. I can't talk about it deeply. It's not my business, but because this is about my friend, part of me can't forgive them. I just feel bad for them. I'm drunk right now, so if people flame me on twitter later for saying all this, then that's fine. But, as their friend, I will always prioritize my friend. I'm not looking for a fight with anyone, if anything I want things to end peacefully. But life isn't that easy, huh... I'm not in a position where I can stick my head into this. But I can say that I feel sorry for them. It's not about who did something wrong, I just feel so sorry for them... If I say anything else I might end up causing trouble, so please don't ask me anymore. (...) No matter what happens, I will always treasure my friends. Until the very end."

Got this from an anon in /mans/

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>>69721579
Ah this brings back so many memories

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>>69742120
That shit was too brutal to ask for in a new hire.

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>>69725765
she got personally offended (prolly through leaked docs showing shes having powertrips) and did it hoping everyone would u-turn and attack doki by appealing to emotion and fingerpointing. fortunately niji fans had already given up following pomu grad and selen term.

RRAT

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>>69715029
There are very few streamers who can scoff at 5,000 views. Those numbers might not be enough to break into the normie sphere, but they're enough for Doki to do what she wants in the vtuber sphere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69725765
I think they thought Doki was going to attack them on that stream, so they overlapped with that message to preempt her.
But Doki didn't, and never had any intention too.
That's literally the only reasonable explanation I can come up with, any other reason is just psychotic from nijien

[Anonymous No.]

>>69716115
>>69716556
>>69727081
I hope no aspiring indie even considers joining a new wave. Between getting 2% of merchandise sales and having to lick management's nuts just to get a sponsor, they're better of standing on their own or joining any other small corpo that aren't Wactor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69741385
>black stream = counter offensive/summer party in crimea
>sisters = NAFO
You might be onto something

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>>69748040
>>69741925
New rrat: maybe Niji just reaaaaaaally hates Apex tournaments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69748894
well that's reasonable but I doubt management was very happy he brought it up
don't forget holostars have their own management and their own way of doing things
So I would not expect much from hololive side of things

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712130
Unironically they must have been deep in an echo chamber to think anything they did this month would go over well in the public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745971
Does that mean the Kotoka is part of the clique or next in line?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745971
I like how people keep linking this image asking where the Pomu merch was. Pomu's representation ended after she internally announced her graduation. Some of these merch lines literally came out after her literal graduation too lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745971
Speaking of Zaion, the sisters and the clique were behind her termination

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749511
Based if true

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715029
4-5k views would put her comfortably among the biggest twitch vtubers. Twitch Vtubers who average a lot less get constant collab, merch, sponsor and other stream opportunities. Also she will probably settle a bit above that, it is very clear the normie and indie communities have completely sided with her so she will probably see some growth out of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69730926
>because they were friends in the past
You are retarded
>Spoiler
Holy shit you're like UNIRONICALLY retarded huh????

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749779
Absolutely truepilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749779
This can't be real

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749778
Nope. She submitted graduation at the end of July. The only merch to be announced after that point was the 2024 Calendar, Scale Figure, NijiMascot, and Hotel. The 2024 Calendar would have been out before her graduation (it's nothing more than an acrylic card, not anything fancy), and she did have hope to be included in NijiMascot (on a stream a couple of weeks before the merch announcement, she was talking about Pomudachi merch and said "Guys, I'm so sad... wait, that hasn't been announced yet"). So really, the only merch releases it would have made sense to not be included in are the Scale Figure, and Hotel (which came out after her graduation). Also keep in mind that she was included in the Confectionery group merch in November, so really no excuse for anything that came out before then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69750741
Nah it's real, it was posted at 19:39 and Zaion's termination was at 20:00

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749625
Kotoka was WAY too eager to throw Zaion under the bus, so she's definitely sus. Tho it was probably to bend the knee to whatever internal EN politics were at the time. The only reason Kotoka and Meloco joined EN and not JP is because the JP market is extremely over-saturated, and applications to join any JP company are a fucking mountain tall. So it's either learn english and join EN, or your dreams of being a semi-relevant vtuber are out the window. And joining EN means EN politics.

Meloco however I'm not sure about. I've read posts that she avoids Elira like the fucking plague and tries to attach herself to the JP side however she can. Maybe for protection if she didn't want to bend the knee to whatever internal bullshit was going on in the EN branch. These are, however, just rumors, hints and speculations so take everything with a bucket of salt.

Maybe they're both on the chopping block, maybe they're both safe, or just one of them, we don't know. But the shit surrounding them, once again, adds to the gigantic pile of 'hints' that paint an increasingly clear picture of NijiENs internal structure. This isn't the first time that "the infamous hacker known as the exploding yellow van" was completely right about rrats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
https://youtu.be/3PTKwh_1Ejo?si=-jxHkTc4isxVNvOZ
Where were you the day niji died?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751090
Nta but thanks for confirming what I thought. Felt like that post was bs, but didn't have the receipts on hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751587
Jesus christ how the fuck are they so retarded to talk about that in the doxxsite

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Niji made it's own bed, all these years of talking about blacklisting other corpos and ruinning events is coming back to bite them in the ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>69742379
>>69742591
>>69745177
>>69745185
It's possible, they even get to play with yugo on a valorant collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69746802
I loved that guy from the stream! He did a great sippy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751718
>So it's either learn english and join EN
In their case it was more join EN, then learn English after

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749779
Imagine if Elira herself wrote this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712227
That's a type of Japanese garden lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
the 23rd is tomorrow, we're about to enter the final stretch

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752101
Gonna have to disagree here, anon. They both spoke english good enough to cater to an EN audience. More experience would just meant they would get better over time. And JPs doing EN things has always been a big charm on it's own. Though, over time it seems like they drift more and more to the JP side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712130
>walled garden
More like a minefield

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751587
>actually mentioning the cliques
>stinky bitch
That sounds like something either Uki, Finana, Enna or Millie would say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752165
The 23rd rrat makes no sense. February 23rd is a national holiday in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>69730926
I agree with you on the spoiler. The pseudo GFE thing she has going on will eventually fade because (insert Holo member you don't like) will tell her to, or that tumblrina she's kept buried deep inside will explode outward one day
Captcha: 50HP

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752407
it makes sense if you're graduating before the end of the JP financial quarter and want one last week of streams before everything goes to shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752407
It's a soft graduation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752364
>Finana
Anon, she was gaslight

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751587
>Insider is literally named ''Kyo Kaneko''
So how high are the chances that either someone wanted to throw him under the bus or it's really him wanting to look like he did an epic own in front of the sisters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712081
>tribalfags float the rrat of "vshojo is totally blacklisted from the rest of the industry"
>proven false
>tribalfags float the rrat of "phase-connect is totally blacklisted from the rest of the industry"
>proven false
I'll be laughing my ass off if the first time this rrat is actually true would be for nijien now

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752364
How much of a bitch you'd have to be to write that and then name yourself "Kyo Kaneko" wow almost like the leaker who signs himself L(uka) K(aneshiro) here in 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752889
>Agent LK was trying to warn us since back then

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
FAFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>69746582
NijisanjiEN member Guy Irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69715376
was it ever confirmed which management delayed the collab for Pomu and Kiara back then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745971
I was under the impression Yugo was graduated because he wanted to keep producing his own music and Nijisanji wouldn't let him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745971
To be fair knowing nothing about Zaion the shota stuff will always be bad the fact that current livers get away with it is proof of brand suicide.

Additionally going over your manager's head is always bad in any corpo situation and would lead to anyone getting a target on their back. This just isn't done in JP or USA if you ever want to get fired complain to your boss' boss you'll notice a change in the environment pretty quick they'll start writing you up for any possible infraction tracking all of it and they'll get you on a nice pip that you'll never reach.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752165
In Japan time it's the 23rd right now. I'm excited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752889
It has also been suggested that LK could stand for ''Little Kyo'' or ''LovelocK'', but given Luca's story of sharing information about the company's affairs to Raziel, it makes the most sense for him being the one behind at least some of the leaks posted on 4chan.

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>>69753624
I doubt rosemi or Kyo would be retarded enough to have something linking back to their name, but I totally see Luca being egotistical enough to sign shit with his initials and get off to feeling like some secret agent revealing the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753850
Luca's personality is another reason why the ''LK is Luca Kaneshiro'' rrat has credibility, so I can imagine him posting here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753376
"Technically" xhe graduated. But it was under Niji's bullshit terms. Can't make your own music without it being copy wrighted by Niji. Can't make music under Niji, cuz you have yo tap dance for years for managers. It was just an excuse. A certain hololive member known for her music, did a bunch of personal music without it being "terminal" for her contract. Weird, huh?

>>69753605
True. But again, it adds to the mountain of 'hints'. Oh what more discoveries await us tomorrow! As if this shitshow wasn't enough of a PR nightmare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753614
the rrat said 1 man and 1 woman on the 23rd so we'll see, apparently it's not rosemi but she's coming after them from what was said

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753605
With Zaion it's rumored that she went directly to proper management instead of consulting the ''shadow management'' (liaisons instead of real managers) first, Elira & co. Also it's important to notice that other fluent japanese speakers like Meloco and Kotoka don't seem to have experienced the same problems as Yugo and Zaion, pointing to the clique having a problem with the personality of the latter two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754042
Keep in mind that Luca wasn't even Luca half the time. How do we know that the leaker is Big Luca Kaneshiro and and not Solid Luca or Liquid Luca?

[Anonymous No.]

People keep hyping up tomorrow, where is this info even from. Did it come to you in a dream

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754312
It could have been Metal Luca for all we know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754461
Literally a random post. We are just addicted to drama. I need more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
>can no longer join
you mean "have chosen not to join"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754585
Since we have entered the rrat timeline, this must be true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754648
>"have chosen not to join"
No dumbfuck because if they do want to join then they aren't allowed to collab/interact with ex-niji talents.

So it isn't even a Doki thing if Matara or Kuro or Unnamed or [any other Ex NijiEN here] is in something then they can't join it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754158
>>/vt/thread/68590428#p68592462
>February 9th
>Alien and Fish
When the next graduation announcement comes, we will know if the post was a legitimate leak or just bullshitting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754758
Maybe plans changed after the black frame stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754884
Maybe, it's a matter of waiting before we find out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754758
Finana would be a surprise, but after the Kyo graduation I'm not gonna dismiss it right away

[Anonymous No.]

>>69754710
they can leave at any time. it said so in the black stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69744953
Not even Hololive been perfect but they seem to have learned from their mistakes and tried to improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69745681
>Vagina Bandage
This a real name? Who??

[Anonymous No.]

Finana will die with the company, she will never quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755387
Just put ''Vagina Bandage'' in the web search anon

[Anonymous No.]

Still waiting for a big corpo to have a babi

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755109
If Finana leaves I wonder if she goes the OF cosplaythot route. Straight indie vtubing is out of the question, there's even less fanbase to follow her than Kyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751831

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755879
She could join Rifu's agency. This way she can make horny content without getting bonked by management, while still being an agency vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714320
you're forgetting about the third person though, who is friends with the judas herself and in the same gen as the one who probably hates their guts now

[Anonymous No.]

>>69755996
In the case she were to join VAllure, how long it would take before she has another ''parasocial fucks'' episode?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756170
There's a Holo who is friends with Rosemi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69726231
>She doesn't have the wide normie appeal filian
I would have agreed with you on this when she was in Niji, but as an indie she is able to be herself and relax much more. She absolutely has enough normie charm to retain a low 5view following or high 4 view. Any milestones or special events are guaranteed 5view.

[Anonymous No.]

>hololive will surely blacklist nijisanji now- ACK

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756587
That's NijiJP you /qa/tranny nijibootlicker.
The OP says NijiEN.
>inb4 you post the Lethal Company collab that was before this all even happened
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756587
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756587
holy fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756587
The dumbest motherfucker on the board right now, truly impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756400
there's one that's friends with elira

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751587
Now post the 80 billion instances of throwing spaghetti at the wall that didn't stick

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757434
Always knew Kronii was Niji material

[Anonymous No.]

>69756587
This poster is a succubus for (you)s...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753624
Idk, I think fulgur and hex are very likely suspects... They both say too much on stream already and clearly know a lot too

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757434
That's unfortunate. Who? I try not to focus on Holomem's non-Hololive relations

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752011
Elira leaks shit there all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757636
Bae

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757722
>>69757722
Thank God, not someone I care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757622
After Fulgur in his PL posted about Scarle's whereabouts just as the topic of her absence was gaining traction outside of the board, I can see Fulgur being here too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757722
I believe it with they way she's been behaving as an ungrateful "oppressed" sadgirl for a while now

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Holo EN is basically that. Ironically it's better for Niji EN to not interact with streamer faggots and dumb indie homos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69716449
holoEN's walled garden would be a much nicer place if it wasn't filled with the most schizo, screeching tribalist fanbase in the entire vtuber scene. the talents themselves are fine, but holy hell they've built up a swarm of retards. even nijiEN fujos WISH they knew how to be as insane

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759024
Nice deflection sister, threads constantly prove which are the most delusional between the two

Except /baubau/, we don't approach that one

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759024
>the most schizo, screeching tribalist fanbase in the entire vtuber scene
That's unironically just Chumbuds and Ruffians (aka the biggest fanbases)
Every other girl has fine fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753195
It was implied by Kiara's statements that there was no problems on the Cover side. At the time I wasn't fully convinced, Kiara says a lot of things afterall.
In hindsight it just fits perfectly into what we know now about the internal dynamics on the Niji side that the ban was coming from their side. Back then it was hard to understand since the MO wasn't obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759204
maybe I should specify that I'm talking mainly about the kind of hololive fans you find in places /hlgg/. if we're talking about, like, hoomans/takos/etc that just stick to their split, yeah you don't get the same level of insanity at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759194
>threads constantly prove which are the most delusional between the two
the fact that it's basically a race to be the most schizo/delusional doesn't really speak well of companyfags in general desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759204
>>69759679
Please consider that this place is not representative of the greater fanbase and that /vt/ is just a sliver. Especially since we're talking about Hololive, and not some small corpo who gets mid 3 views and 1/4 of their fanbase shitpost /here/

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714054
>Maybe they were buddies in their utaite days?
Western utaites can't be a big group. That's why most are in nijien.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757622
Fulgurs writing style and speech patterns are also careful, lengthy and eurdite. Most of the posts about the internal dynamics of EN have a similar writing style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69757622
>>69757933
Well, seeing as someone else finally considered it being him I'll say that I also think LK might be Fulgur. Admittedly it's mostly just a gut feeling lol but he's someone who's been around long enough to see shit develop, be willing and able to keep himself distanced/pragmatic and is good at/interested in writing and getting into characters seeing as LK is meticulous and at least enjoying the role somewhat. Even Luca isn't dumb enough to leak shit using his actual initials no matter how carried away with the bit he would get, and I don't think it would be a falseflag either so (outside of being creative enough to come up with one which is another point for Fulgur) the name itself doesn't mean nearly as much as the circumstances and post content.

Anyway most of this is just conjecture and assumptions and it could just as easily be anyone in there, what I'm trying to say is don't be spooked off by the guesses LK, continue your honourable duty.

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how in the beginning it was obviously NijiEN blocking collabs with Holo for whatever reason and now Holo's most likely blocking collabs with NijiEN (temporarily, at least) because they don't want to touch the shitshow there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759024
Nice deflection sister, even the most mentally unstable individuals blush in comparison to the level of schizo from you cocksuckers fujos.
>b-b-but Hol-
seriously, seek help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69762816
I think you missed the point of my post anon, that all of you companyfags are mentally ill. you don't even work for them, so whether it's nijisanji or hololive or phase or whatever, I have no idea why you have a japanese corporation that will never give a fuck about you as your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>69762474
>Elira blocking collabs because it was just Selen and Pomu requested
>the ban gets so much heat that HoloJP and NijiJP find out
>NijiJP forces Elira to remove the ban
>Elira lets Alban collab first out of pettiness

[Anonymous No.]

>>69763256
>Altare/Alban
>Flayon/Doppio
>Hakka/Ike
>Alban and Kyo/Altare and Shinri/Bettel
as a starsfag only, should i assume the boys let out of containment are not clique members?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69764242
The boys don't have to be part of the clique because they get preferential treatment regardless

[Anonymous No.]

>Not letting grifter leech them is a bad thing
Hmmm

[Anonymous No.]

>>69764363
Well that's fair, but I don't want them suddenly pulling racism out of their closet like the other purple fuck and being associated with my decent boys

[Anonymous No.]

At this point Elira's options for having a comeback are:
1. Have an apology video. People will still be upset but it will at prevent further damage
2. Have management make a statement clarifying the video was their idea. Again, this won't make people less upset but at least the story will change from her being a mastermind to a pawn
3. Graduate and somehow get Doki to interact with her positively, thus telling people that any ill will is in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69712081
This is true for probably a year or so. People tend to forget quick and it just takes another yab somewhere else for most of the dramafags to forget about niji.
Basically if they shut the fuck up they might survive. But the organ are too retarded/prideful to do so.
Probably the only collab I'm seeing with them are either chuubas desperate enough for numbers or 2views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69765707
4. Fuck it, heel turn.
EA, activision and the several sports team owner have something in common. People hate them, and yet they trive on that attention and make a profit out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69764242
A key point to these is aside from Altare and Alban,

>Flay Doppio
>Hakka Ike
>Elira Bae

These are the only confirmed pairs that have said on stream were friends long before Holo and Niji. So if there are any collabs I expect these to be the only or "main" ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>69767292
This is true but it won't stop fags from saying this whole drama should stop friendships that are completely irrelevant to what's going on

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759592
I guess that confirms it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714644
Kiara and Pomu were on the same idol scene before they both became content creators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69749406
NijiEN waves went from 6 members to 3 after the zaion termination, so I don't think we'll be seeing any new debuts for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69753624
Sometimes, I like to think it's iKe eveLand, because I never took Luca to be that articulate in writing. Also, not only is Ike deep in what the top is saying, but also very irrelevant. Maybe his obscure presence is his saving grace, which enabled him to leak some plausible info.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69766975
>Make a stream going full evil bitch and describing how she crushed other vtubers like worms with her clique

h-hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
what a failure

[Anonymous No.]

>>69756587
Do me and everyone else here a favor and leave. Clearly you're an absolute imbecile to think NijiEN and NijiJP are the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69770526
>NijiJP is good actually
The ancient NDF tactics...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69770526
Chii-chan sends her regards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69770826
>NijiJP is good actually
>Never said NijiJP is good in my post
I can see your retardation and lack to read is terminal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69768563
>and Pomu
>idol
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69769661
At this point, yeah. Embrace the evil bitch mode and roll with it, there are enough people into getting insulted and /freak/ chuubas out there to make a living.
Probably not as good as before, but you'll live and Riku won't need to have your head cut off and displayed it to the investors like he did with Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69725765
She listened to the advice from her friends in Production kawaii

[Anonymous No.]

>>69772257
I think that’ll go well for a week or two, and then it’ll filter out all casual fans because nobody would be able to stand that outside of the most masochistic individuals out there. You could argue that Enna only appeals to masochists too but I think she’s mostly viewed by Asian normalfags in happy relationships as an object of pity.
And that’ll easily invite tons of antis to try and push their buttons, more than what NijiEN’s one-guy stint on Twitter did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69767292
Doppio is blacklisted from collabing with HoloEN within Nijisanji, since he leaked Mysta's graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69773832
I didn't ask for what the voices in your head are telling you

[Anonymous No.]

>>69773912
>he doesn't realize

[Anonymous No.]

>>69774011
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69774033
>he doesnt realize

[Anonymous No.]

>>69759592
Could explain the obsession with Gura too. Bitches be jealous

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
>>69712081
B-but anon, it's clearly just that the vtuber market is oversaturated. It couldn't be Niji's shitty business practices!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69741940
I admit it, i did laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752146
sandbox conditions so true lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69751090
Based anon for keeping up with the merch discrepancies

[Anonymous No.]

>>69772728
True, but there's no more need to play pretend. They could be assholes and own it.
If mike's cat can still drain unicorns despite being pulling every ntr cliche, you can bet an actually evil corpo could still find retards to drain. Like I said, not the same as before, but enough to keep the investors calmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752317
Considering the clique and the bigger numbers they get... not a hard choice, but then the question of why EN pops up...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69768926
Krisis was meant to be four dudes, until one of them NOPE'd out at the last minute

[Anonymous No.]

>>69766975
FINALLY. A fucking heel chuuba that embraces it would be kino. Plus, she can claim that her earlier actions were "method acting" if anybody comes for her legally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69777647
Any more info on that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69782054
There was a leak on twt showing krisis model designs, and there was a fourth person. People speculate it was supposed to be aruvn and he backed out because he didn't agree to the contract

[Anonymous No.]

>>69782809
Even joining one of the biggest male friendly corpos now seems sketchy. Fucking hell...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69785270
First Stage seems great to join so far and Stars is fine if you don't give a shit about what /hlgg/ cries about (which isn't hard to ignore unless you're terminally on 4chan, and if that's the case then you have bigger problems than just that)

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752045
The difference is yugo officially graduated

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Just delete the branch and make a new one

[Anonymous No.]

>>69752165
You fags are like /pol/tards desperately begging for something to happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>69744917
My dream scenario: they become AVTubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>69790612
In a real black company, this would be the result.
>Elira and her cohorts can either do AV/Soapland work for the next decade.
>Niji will publicize everything they ever did, completely slaughtering their careers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69711856
Well deserved! Avoid nijiEN like a plague!

[Anonymous No.]

Hmm...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69714054
>Reimu
Who cares about that dirty bitch my brother in Christ